[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. IT IS TUESDAY DECEMBER 14, 2021 AT 5:46. WE ARE IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM.
THIS MEETING MAYBE CONVENED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION . . .
[READING] WE ARE GOING TO START OFF WITH OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION
[2. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
AND I'M GOING READ THAT. 2A [READING]>> WE HAVE ADJOURNED OUR EXECUTIVE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY, NO ACTION TAKEN. WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN WORK
[3A. Discuss the Fiscal Year 2023 (FY2023) Budget Calendar. (25 minutes)]
SESSION. 3A DISCUSS FISCAL YEAR BUDGETACCOUNT. >> ROBERT JONES HERE TO DISCUSS FISCAL YEAR BUDGET 2023 BUDGET CALENDAR HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE DATES AND NEEDS AND WHY WE ARE DOING AT THIS TIME WAY WE ARE DOING IT. SO TO BEGIN, THE BUDGET PROCESS IS A PROCESS THROUGH CH THE CITY NEEDS ARE PRIORITIZE'S AND SOURCES EVERY REVENUE IDENTIFIED.
THIS IS COMPRISED OF THE DEPARTMENTS SUBMISSIONS . . .
AND LEADS TO THE BUDGETED. KEEP COMPONENT IS SETTING THE TAX RATE WHICH INFLUENCES A LARGE PORTION OF THE REVENUE THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
THE BUDGET COUNCIL THURSDAY MUST MAKE THAT DETERMINATION EARLY ENOUGH TO CALL FOR AN ELECTION TO BE HELD ON THE UNIFORM ELECTION DATE IN NOVEMBER. THE ELECTION CODE PROVIDES THAT FOR AN ELECTION HELD ON THE UNIFORM ELECTION DATE THE ELECTION SHALL BE ORDERED NOT LATER THAN THE 78TH DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION DAY. THE 78TH DAY WILL CHANGE EVERY YEAR DEPENDING ON WHEN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION DAY OCCURRED BUT GENERALLY WILL OCCUR MID TO LATE AUGUST.
THIS IS A MONTH OR MORE EARLIER THAN THE SEPTEMBER 29TH DEADLINE TO ADOPT THE BUDGET AS DETERMINED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. AS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE IF THE TAX RATE EX-SEATING THE VOTER APPROVAL RIGHT IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING.
BUDGET PROCESS THE . . . AS A RESULT, THE BUDGET CALENDAR FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 HAS BEEN BUILT BACKWARDS STARTING BY THE DATE BY WHICH WE MUST HAVE A BUDGET ADOPTED . . . IN ADDITION TO THE DATE BY WHICH WE MUST SET THE TAX RATE IN ORDER TO CALL FOR ELECTION THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF OUR LEGAL DEADLINES SUCH AS CITY MANAGERERS PROPOSED BUDGET MUST BE SUBMITTED NO LATER THAN JULY 16TH, 30 DAYS BEFORE DOM ADOPTING THE TAX RATE . . . [READING] SO THIS IS WHAT OUR BUDGET CALENDAR FOR 23023 LOOKS LIKE AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED MANY
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WE HAVE TRIED TO LIMIT OFF CYCLE OR COUNCIL MEETINGS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE MANY OF COURSE THE COUNCIL BUDGETS AND STRATEGY SESSIONS CAN BE SQUEEZE NEEDED OUR ALREADY FULL CALENDARS . . .DUDE TO DEADLINES AN CONSTRAINTS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ELIMINATE ALL THE OFF CYCLE MEETINGS BUT HAVE LIMITED TO JUST TWO AS PROPOSED. THE PROPOSAL TO SET THE TAX CEILING IS FOR AN OFF CYCLE MEETING ON MONDAY AUGUST EIGHTH DUE TO THE DEADLINE OF AUGUST SEVENTH OR AS PATRICABLE.
AS . . . [READING] THE OTHER OFF CYCLE MEETING IS FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX RATE AN BUDGET ON AUGUST 17TH WHICH IS A WEDNESDAY. THIS DATE WAS CHOSEN SO THAT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE TAX RATE AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET COULD BE HELD ON THE REGULAR MEETING ON AUGUST 16TH.
THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX RATE AN BUDGET COULD BE PUSHED BACK TO AUGUST 19TH AND HIT THE 78TH DAY REQUIREMENT BUT COULD NOT BE PUSHED BACK TO SEPTEMBER 6TH WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING.
IN CONCLUSION, WE HAVE A COMPRESSED TIME FRAME TO ALLOW COUNCIL FOR MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY IN DETERMINING OPTIONS FOR 2023 BUDGET AND GOVERNING LEGISLATION REGARDING TIME CONSTRAINTS AND DEADLINES SENATE BILL 2 TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE
[CITATIONS]. >> IT'S LIKE YOU SLEEP WITH THIS
STUFF OR SOMETHING. >> COUNSEL ONE OTHER COMMENT TO MAKE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST SUMMER DUE TO SENATE BILL 2 ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THIS ALMOST HAS TO BE MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP. YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE PRETTY MUCH HAD THE ABILITY TO MAKE LAST MINUTE CHANGES BEFORE THE ADOPTED -- BEFORE WE GOT THE FINAL CERTIFIED VALID UMENT WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE THAT, SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL DO OUR BEST ESTIMATE AND OUR BEST PREDICTIONS AND WE WILL SUBMIT OUR PROPOSED BUDGETS AND THEN JUST BEWARE THAT WE, WHEN I SAY WORK MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP THERE COULD BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WE HAVE TO MAKE BEFORE WE ADOPT THE BUDGET.
AS OPPOSED TO IN THE PAST THERE WERE MORE MODEST ADJUSTMENTS.
THAT'S THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE. THANK YOU.
>> SO, I WOULD ASK LAURA WITH THE RUNOFF DATE WAS IF WE HAVE A RUNOFF. YOU'RE SAYING JUNE OR JULY?
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAY? >> MAY.
>> THIS MAY. >> END OF JUNE EARLY JULY.
HOW DOES THAT DATE GET DETERMINED?
>> STATE LAW. THERE'S A PERIOD WITHIN WHICH YOU HAVE A RUNOFF AND I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC DATES ON ME
RIGHT NOW. >> ARE THEY DETERMINED ALREADY?
>> THE PERIOD IS DETERMINED, BUT I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE
DOWN YET. >> SO DALLAS COUNTY DETERMINES
>> SO ROCKWELL COUNTY COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT RUNOFF DATE THAN
DALLAS COUNTY? >> PROBABLY NOT.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE SPECIFIC PERIOD.
>> REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HOLD THAT STRATEGY SESSION BEFORE THAT TIME.
>> BUT WHAT WE WOULD PRESUME IS THAT WE WOULD INVITE ALL THE PEOPLE RUNNING IN THE RUNOFF. THEY WON'T GET TO PARTICIPATE.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. >> YES, BUT THAT'S TOUGH BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY BIG DIRECTION THAT COMES OUT OF THOSE STRATEGY MEETINGS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE.
>> THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SHOULD DO
IT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY OTHER WAY TO DO IT. IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING
STRATEGY SESSION. >> THIS IS ALTHOUGH THE DAITSZ ARE SPECIFIC, THIS IS MORE GENERIC.
THE MOD SELL PRETTY OF ANY YEAR. IT'S A TEMPLATE.
ONLY THE DATES MIGHT TWEAK BY A DAY OR TWO SO MY POINT IS THAT SIMPLY THERE WOULD BE YEARS THIS IS NOT A BIG ISSUE AND THERE WILL BE YEARS YOU'LL HAVE RUNOFFS WHERE IT COULD BE AN
ISSUE. >> RUNOFF ELECTION MAY 30-JULY
5TH. >> SO THEY HAVEN'T DETERMINED
THAT DATE YET. >> DO I NOT HAVE THAT
INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. >> SO THEY MAY HAVE DETERMINED IT. YOU JUST DON'T HAVE IT.
>> CORRECT. >> BUT IT WOULD BE BETWEEN MAY
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30TH AND JULY 5TH. >> THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE PUSH IT OFF SO FAR THAT I DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO REACT TO COUNSEL'S FEEDBACK, AND THEREFORE I HAVE TO PROPOSE A BUDGET WITHOUT ANY FEEDBACK. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
>> THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT COMES OUT OF THERE. THROB HONEST WITH YOU, THOSE RUNOFFS WHERE IT IS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEARN CURVE THERE TOO.
>> SO, OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT OTHER CONCERNS DO Y'ALL HAVE ABOUT THIS CALENDAR OR STAFF OR COUNCIL?
>> REALLY THAT WE HAVE TO COMMIT TO THE SPEED OFFING THIS THING BECAUSE WE CAN'T PUSH OFF THOSE DATES VERY OFTEN WITHOUT MAJOR CONSEQUENCES. WE HAVE ALREADY WARNED OR STAFF ABOUT IT WHEN WE HAD OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM RETREAT LAST MONTH, AND THAT IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THIS, EVERYBODY HAS GOT TO STAY ON TASK EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, AND YOU KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A MODEL FOR THE FUTURE.
>> UNLESS IT'S A SET DECISION WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE OVER THE [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO EXTEND
THE CALENDAR OW. >> WHICH IS HARD TO KNOW WITH ALL THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING. CAN YOU MAKE THAT DECISION.
>> JUST KEEP THE OPTION OPEN. >> WILL THIS BE THE THIRD YEAR? I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT OPTION BECAUSE WE TRIGGERED
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR THREE YEARS.
>> IT WAS FOR TWO YEARS BUT THE LEGISLATURE CHANGE LAST YEAR AT THE LAST MINUTE AND SAID OH WE RESCIND THAT NOW IT'S ONLY ONE YEAR SO ACTUALLY ONE YEAR WE WERE NOT UNDER THAT.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. >> UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE BUT IT DIDN'T MATTER BASE WE STILL STAYED UNDER THE VOTER APPROVAL
RATE SO WE WERE OKAY LAST YEAR. >> THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD
THAT. >> CAN YOU SEND THAT TO US, THAT
CALENDAR? >> FOR THE PURPOSES SOME OF.
>> THANK YOU. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION.
>> WE DO, DON'T KNOW IF WANT ME TO GO INTO
>> THERE'S A TRIGGER PORTION OF THE CALCULATION WHERE IN ANY GIVEN YEAR THAT YOU DO NOT GO UP TO, CONTINUE A TAX RATE THAT EXCEEDS THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. THE SAVINGS THAT YOU GAVE BETWEEN WHAT YOU ACTUALLY ADOPTED VS. THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE INCREASES YOUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE THE NEXT YEAR.
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 3.5?
>> YES, IF YOU STAY BELOW THE 3.5 APPROVAL RATE FOR EXAMPLE THIS YEAR WE ADOPTED 7.23456789 OUR APPROVAL WAS 8.8 SOMETHING.
SO SINCE WE DIDN'T GO UP TO THE VOTER PRIME RATE WE CAN NOW USE
>> NEXT YEAR AND INCREASES OUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE BY THAT
>> WE HAVE TO USE THE LAST THREE YEARS, SO WE NEED TO MONITOR THAT SO IF THERE'S A YEAR WE HAD A BIG SAVINGS WE HAVE TO CHOOSE DO WE LOSE IT OR USE IT? BECAUSE IT WILL DROP OFF.
>> WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THAT IS THAT YOU DON'T, IN ANY SINGLE YEAR YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN IN FRENZY TO MAKE A DECISION TO KEEP IT SIMPLY BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S USE IT OR LOSE IT SO WITH THE THREE-YEAR TIME WINDOW YOU CAN MANAGE THAT ASPECT MUCH
BETTER. >> SO, IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT INCREMENT SAVINGS COULD INCREASE POINT WHERE WE WOULDN'T HANGOVER THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE ANYWAYS, THEN WE COULD EXTEND THE CALENDAR BECAUSE WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD NOT OR WE CAN COMMIT O'NOT GOING OVER THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.
>> WHAT'S THE EARLIEST DATE THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF
INDICATION BECAUSE OF TAX ROLLS? >> WE DON'T GET THE OFFICIAL CALCULATION FROM DALLAS COUNTY UNTIL AUGUST.
>> SECOND PRELIMINARY DATE, 26TH?
>> AND THAT PRELIMINARY THERE, ARE NO PROTEST VALUES THERE.
WE ARE CLEARLY 100 PERCENT ESTIMATING OUR TAX RATE.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO REASSESS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTIES
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THIS YEAR. >> AND WE ARE ALSO AT THAT POINT USING ESTIMATES OF DEBT PAYMENTS WHICH ARE PART OF THE CALCULATION AS WELL OF WHAT OUR DEBT RATE IS GOING TO BE.
>> SO ESSENTIAL LIGHTS OUR STARTING POINT BUT WHEN WE GET THE CERTIFIED VALUE WE REALLY HAVE ONLY ONE UNKNOWN FACTOR AT THAT POINT AND THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE GET THE DISABILITY AND AGE RESTRICTION EXEMPTION. BUT WE ARE GOING TO SUBMIT THE PROPOSED BUDGET, STARTING WITH THE PRELIMINARY NUMBER AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OVER HALF A DOZEN SIGNIFICANT ESTIMATES.
>> SO, WHEN WILL YOU BE FOCUSING ON PRIORITY BASED BUDGET
SOMETHING. >> MOST LIKELY, WE ARE ALREADY STARTING BUT MOST LIKELY THOSE CONVERSATIONSES WILL START
MARCHISH OR APRILISH. >> I DON'T WANT IT TO BE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DEAL WITH PRIORITY BASED BUDGET.
IT NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED INTO THE PROCESS.
SO, THIS FEELS TO ME LIKE AN FYI.
DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S WIGGLE ROOM ANYWHERE.
>> I'M NOT TRYING TO SCARE YOU GUYS MANY WE ARE JUST TRYING TO SAY THE LAST TWO YEARS WE HAVEN'T FOCUSED ON THIS AND NOW WE HAVE TO AND IT'S GOING TO SURPRISE PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'VE ALL BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS IT'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS FAST AND WE HAVE TO.
IT'S GOING TO FEEL EVEN FASTER TO US TOO.
>> ARTS AND COMMUNITIES COMMISSION.
>> LET ME READ INTO THE RECORD AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT. IS EVERYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO
[3B. Discuss options for updating the Highway 66 sound wall mural art at Hwy 66 and Edgewater Drive. (25 minutes)]
SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ITEM 3 B.>> I LOVE ART, INCLUDING FOCUS ART STYLE.
NOT EVERYTHING IN TOWN HAS TO BE CONTEMPORARY.
. . . THE TWAUL COULD USE A TOUCH UP OF THE STYLE OF ART . . . PLEASE CONSIDER THAT EVEN FOE FOLK ART MAY NOT BE YOUR PERSONAL FAVORITE . . . IT DESERVES A PLACE IN THE ART WORLD. . . . REPRESENTATIVE OF THE AREA'S CULTURE. IT DOES SEND THE MESSAGE OF LAKESIDE LIVING FISHING AND IMPORTANCE OF TREES IN OUR [INAUDIBLE] CULTURE.
JUST LIKE THE [INAUDIBLE] . . . IT'S A REMINDER.
HELLO LAURA AND DEBORAH. >> HELLO.
COUNSEL, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US MANY I'M LAURA [NAME] I'M THE ARTS AND HUMANITY'S KMUNGTS STAFF LIAISON, I'M HERE WITH OUR CHAIR DEB DEBORAH CROSBY. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE MURAL WALL ON HIGHWAY 66 AT THE JUNE 15TH ARTS AN HUMANITY'S JOINT SESSION. THE COUNCIL WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR THE MURAL ON SOUTH WALL AND SO, JUST A REMINDER THAT ONE OF OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AN GOALS IS TO CREATE SPACES ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS FOR THE ARTS.
SO, IN OUR HISTORY, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THE WALL, IN 2000 KEEP ROWLETT . . . TEAMED UP TO PRESENT A CONTEST FOR DESIGNS. THE IMPETUS WAS TO PREVENT GRAFFITI FROM APPEARING ON THE WALL MANY ELEMENTS FROM THE WINNING ENTRY WERE SKETCHED ON TO THE WALL BY A PROFESSIONAL ARTIST AN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS PAINTED THE MURAL.
WITH THE HISTORY AFTER SELECTING THE WINNING DRAWING APPLICATION OF PAINT FOR THE MURAL WAS PERFORMED BY VOLUNTEERS LUCY PHELPS WAS ONE OF THOSE VOLUNTEERS, SHE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH A BRAIN TUMOR AND WAS UNDERGOING TREATMENT WHEN SHE
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WAS PAINTING THE WALL AND SHE LACED PASSED FROM HER ILLNESS MANY SO, TONIGHT WE ARE PROVIDING OPTIONS, THE MURAL IS 814 FEET LONGHAND 12 FEET HIGH. SO, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE OPTION WOULD BE TO MAKE NO CHANGES TO THE MURAL.ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE A COMPLETE REDESIGN AND REPAINT AMOUNT THIRD OPTION WOULD BE KEEPING PART OF THE MURAL AND PAINTING OVER PART OF THE MURAL IN AN EFFORT TO APPEASE THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KEEP THE MURAL AND TO APPEASE THOSE WHO WANT TO CHANGE IT. AND THEN, THE FOURTH OPTION WOULD BE JUST TO TOUCH UP THE EXISTING IMAGE.
THE COMPLETE REDESIGN IS $15 PER SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF $146,520. HAVING THE HALF AND HALF OPTION IS $73,2670 AND THEN TOUCH UPS ARE $48,840.
TO GET TO THESE NUMBERS WE WORKED WITH A LOCAL ARTIST, J.D.
MOORE. WE CONSIDERED OUR MURALISTS TO MAKE SURE MR. MOORE'S WAS MARKET VALUE.
SO WHERE THE PUBLIC ART BUDGET AND ACCOUNT IS, THE AVAILABLE AMOUNT IS $94,228, $10,000 OF THAT IS EARMARKED FOR MAINTENANCE. THE AHC IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A CALL. THERE'S A CALL TO ARTISTS PUBLISHED WHERE THEY'RE TAKING ARTISTS' INPUT TO GET ARTISTS FOR SCULPTURE AT FIRE STATION NUMBER 2 AND THE EARMARKED AMOUNT FOR THAT PROJECT IS $49,500 SO THE TOTAL REMAIN FROM THAT IS $34,728. SO, AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS AND THE RECOMMENDED ACTION THAT THE AHC HAD WAS TO REPAINT AT $146,520. SO NEXT STEPS AFTER THIS, IF THE COUNCIL APPROVED TO REPLACE THE CURRENT DESIGN OR REPAINT A PORTION OF THE DESIGN, AHC WOULD CONDUCT A CALL FOR ARTISTS AN DESIGNS WITHIN THAT BUDGET AND THEN PRESENT THOSE DESIGNS TO COUNSEL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. COUNSEL APPROVES TOUCHING UP THE EXISTING MURAL THE AHC WOULD PUT TOGETHER A PLAN OF ACTION TO TOUCH UP GATHER PRICING AND THEN PRESENT THOSE OPTIONS.
>> OH, SORRY. 146 IS THE COMPLETE REDESIGN.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> CAN YOU TALK LOUDER?
>> I'M SORRY. I THINK WHEN YOU QUOTED THE PRICE YOU GOTD THE PRICE FOR THE 146 OBJECTION 520, OUR
[INAUDIBLE] >> I THOUGHT THE RECOMMENDATION
WAS -- >> THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO
REPAINT IT. >> COMPLETE REPAINT I THOUGHT
WAS THE RECOMMENDATION. >> OKAY.
>> WELL, THIS IS KIND OF IMPORTANT.
>> WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION? >> I'VE STILL GOT COVID BRAIN.
>> SO MAYBE CAN I PROVIDE SOME CLARITY FOR THAT, AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT FOR TOUCHING UP THE EXISTING IMAGE.
THAT WAS BONAFIDE [INAUDIBLE] >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE ONE THAT SAYS KEEPING PART OF THE MURAL AND PAINTING OVER PART OF THE MURAL, $73,000 TWHUCHLT PAID OVER THE PART OF THE MURAL THE PART YOU KEPT WOULD HAVE ATTORNEY TOUCHED UP.
SO IS THAT MONEY ALSO IN THE 73,000?
>> THAT BEEN MONEY HOW THAT WAS DERIVED WAS BASICALLY IF YOU DID HALF, AND SO IT WAS JUST HAVE OF IT.
SO IT WAS NOT TOUCHING UP WHAT WAS EXISTING.
IT WAS HOW IT WAS CALCULATED WAS JUST LOOKING AT HALF.
IF YOU JUST PAINTED HALF. >> SO YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO TOUCH UP THE OTHER PART.
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>> HALF OF THE TOUCH UP. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT ANYWAY HOW YOU WOULD DESIGN SOMETHING INTO THAT. THAT WOULD BE TOUGH.
>> BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS PAINTED.
NOWADAYS WE GO PAST IT, WELL, SUPPOSED TO GO PAST IT AT 50 MILES PER HOUR AND WE DON'T SEE IT SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST WE
GO PAST IT. >> SO, CAN YOU TELL ME, CAN SOMEONE TELL US WHAT GOT THE ARTS AND HUMANITY'S COMMISSION
TO THAT RECOMMENDATION? >> SO, THE INITIAL DECISION WAS, SHOULD THERE BE A CHANGE OR SHOULD IT BE LEFT ALONE? AND THREE MEMBERS VOTED TO LEAVE IT ALONE.
FOUR MEMBERS VOTED TO CHANGE IT. >> SO IT WAS NOT A --
>> IT WAS VERY, VERY CLOSE AND SO ONCE WE GOT TO THAT DECISION, THEN IT WAS OKAY, SO TOUCHING UP, IS THAT WORTH IT IT'S ART THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT IN LOVE WITH.
AND THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT IF YOU KEPT PART OF IT AND THEN PAINTED OVER PART OF IT, IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO CHOOSE WHICH PART TO PAINT OVER, WHICH PART TO KEEP, WHICH PART TO NOT, AND THEN THERE MAY BE A SENSE FROM CITIZENS THAT IT'S NOT FINISHED, AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD BE ASKED WHEN IS THE WALL GOING TO BE
FINISHED. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD
EVER BLEND IT? >> ANOTHER BIG FACTOR TOO WAS THE ACTUAL CORROGATION FOR LACK AFTER BETTER TERM OF THE WALL WHICH DOESN'T LEND TO A DETAILED KIND OF DESIGN.
IF YOU WERE TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING THAT FROM THAT KIND OF DESIGN INTO MORE CONE TEMPORARY FEEL INTO SOMETHING THAT'S MOVING INTO A MORE CONTEMPORARY COMMUNITY HOW DO YOU MAKE THOSE TWO THINGS MICHIGAN AND HOW DO YOU MAKE THOSE THINGS MICHIGAN ON THAT SURFACE? IT'S JUST A NIGHTMARE.
>> AND A LONG WITH WHAT DEBORAH IS SAYING BECAUSE OF THE CORREGATION SEVERAL ARTISTS RECOMMENDED IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A BASIC DESIGN IF YOU REDESIGNED IT AN ALSO WITH IT BEING SMN ON TXDOT YOU WON'T H WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE SO DETAILED IT WOULD
GET LOST IN THE CORROGATION. >> HOW WAS THIS FUNDED WHEN THEY
FIRST DID THIS? >> PART OF KEEP ROWLETT
BEAUTIFUL. >> WAITS PARTNERSHIP AT THE TIME. EXTENSIVE HISTORY ON THIS.
THEY DID A CALL FOR ARTISTS AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY SUBMITTED DRAWINGS AND THEN VOLUNTEERS PAINTED IT.
TXDOT WAS NOT KEEN ON VOLUNTEERS REPAINTING IT.
THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT AS GARY [NAME] WILL GLADLY TELL YOU. [INAUDIBLE]
>> WE DID OUR VOLUNTEERS THINGS WITH [INAUDIBLE] WE DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THAT NOW.
>> YEAH. >> AND THAT WHOLE WALL WOULD BE A HUGE UNDERTAKING. I AGREE.
>> MUCH AS WOULD YOU LIKE IT TO CONCEPTUALLY.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> I HAVE ONE.
HAS ANYONE EVALUATED THE CONDITION OF THE MURAL THAT'S THERE? I MEAN, DOES IT NEED TO BE TOUCHED UP? I MEAN, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THAT IF ANYTHING, AND HAVE WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL LOOK AT IT?
>> WELL, J.D. WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT IT AND HE SAID IT'S DEFINITELY SHOWING SIGNS OF WEATHER.
>> OKAY. >> OBVIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW ABOUT POLLUTION. I'M SURE LOTS OF CARS GOING BY EXHAUST IT'S PROBABLY NOT AS BRIGHT AS IT PROBABLY STARTED
>> I WOULD THINK A TOUCH UP WOULD BE NECESSARY BUT THE FUNDS ARE NOT THERE YET SO FUTURE BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR TOUCH UP.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> IT'S 14,000.
>> ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL? >> I MEAN THERE'S NO RUSH TO,
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YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY BEEN THAT WAY FOR YEARS.>> COUNCIL SAYS GET IT DONE WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON THAT.
>> I THINK THE RUSH IS THERE'S 34,700 THERE.
DO WE WANT TO ALLOCATE THAT TO THE MURAL AND PRESERVE IT? THAT'S A DECISION THAT WE SHOULD MAKE, PRESERVE THOSE FUNDS IF WE
WANT TO DO THAT. >> IS THERE ANY CALL FOR ARTISTS SEEING WHAT IDEAS COULD BE COME UP WITH? DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION NOW?
>> KIND OF RUDE TO CALL ARTISTS AND THEN GO WE WERE JUST
KIDDING. >> IF NOTHING COMES IN THAT YOU
LIKE. >> AND YOU LIKE WHAT'S ON THERE THAT'S STILL THE BEST THEN IT'S STILL THE BEST.
>> THEY NEED TO COME TO OUR PRESENTATION WITH SORT OF SOME IDEAS. HIS CONCERN AGAIN WAS THE SURFACE AND TRYING TO GET ANYTHING WITH ANY LEVEL OF DETAIL. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO NECESSARILY IMPROVE ON OUR DESIGN THAT WE HAVE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DO LIKE THE DESIGN.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DO, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET ANYTHING THAT REFLECTS ROWLETT ANY BETTER THAN WHAT WE
IT'S THE SURFACE THAT'S SO TOUGH.
IF IT WERE NOT THAT SURFACE WE WOULD HAVE ALL KINDS OF OPTIONS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS [INAUDIBLE] IT'S AN OPTION [INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK IT'S FOR SOUND ABSORPTION.
>> MAYBE MATERIALS THAT COULD ABSORB SOUND THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW THAT WEREN'T THEN SO IT'S WORTH ASCORREGATION.
>> I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST YOU HAVE TO PRESERVE WHAT YOU HAVE.
>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT HAD THE FUNDS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE $34,000 UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT FIRE STATION NUMBER 2 FUTURE PROJECT COMES IN.
THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY'VE ALLOCATED BUT IT COULD COME IN LOWER. IT COULD COME IN HIGHER.
SO REVISIT? >> WELL, I'M KIND OF THINKING THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
AND THEN, BECAUSE BY THEN, I THINK WE WILL KNOW -- WILL WE KNOW THEN A BETTER IDEA BEHALF FIRE STATION 2 SCULPTURE IS
>> IF WE KNOW THAT THEN WE WILL KIND OF KNOW BETTER WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH COME BUDGET TIME AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE WANT TO ADD MONEY TO THAT POT TO RESURFACE IT OR ADD ANOTHER HUNDRED WHATEVER TO IT TO REDO THE WHOLE THING OR PAINT
THE WALL. >> YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE.
>> DO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A BUDGET CONSIDERATION THIS YEAR BECAUSE YOU CONTINUE TO DELAY FIXING THAT WALL IT'S JUST GOING
TO GET HARDER AND HARDER. >> I AGREE.
>> WHETHER YOU CHANGE THE DESIGN OR DON'T IT NEEDS TO BE TOUCHED
UP. >> SO WE REPRESERVE THE REMAINING FUNDS AND GET MORE INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE A
BETTER DECISION. >> AND I WOULD SAY AND YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE FIRE STATION COMES IN BEFORE YOU MAKE IT.
>> YEAH BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR ARTIST IS COMING FROM AT THIS POINT. WE TOLD THEM THIS IS ALL-INCLUSIVE BUT AGAIN WE DON'T KNOW WITH MATERIALS.
[INAUDIBLE] >> YOU SAID THAT OUT LOUD.
>> I SAID MIGHT. >> THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REMEMBER. WELCOME TO OUR WORLD.
>> YOU KNOW THAT'S A THING NOW. >> SO, WHAT DO YOU Y'ALL THINK? WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE WALL BUT HAVEN'T MADE A
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DECISION WHAT THAT IS. >> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE IF THERE'S ANY ROOM FOR TXDOT TO DO ANYTHING TO THAT WALL AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT THEY BROUGHT FORWARD.
>> THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO IMPLEMENT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ROAD FOR LANE STRIPING. THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
>> THAT SOUTH VERY CYNICAL. >> GARY AND I WILL ASK THE
QUESTION, HOW ABOUT THAT? >> TELL THEM IF THEY DON'T FIX IT WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE LANE HAVE VOLUNTEERS MAKE THE RULES. [LAUGHTER]
>> SO IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN LOOK AT WORKING WITH TXDOT IF THERE'S OPTIONS TO RESURFACE IT IS FOR A SMOOTH SURFACE AND ALSO BE WORKING ON ARTISTS WHO WOULD DO PRESERVATION AND WHAT ESTIMATES FOR THAT, GET SOME ESTIMATES ON, YOU KNOW, ARTISTS WHO DEAL STRICTLY WITH PRESERVATION ON THAT AND THEN A GOOD DOLLAR FIGURE FOR RESTERG IT RESERVING IT SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE BUDGETS DISCUSSIONS, WE WILL HAVE THOSE FIGURES FOR YOU.
>> WHEN I LOOK AT THAT WALL, I SAW WHEN THEY BUILT WHEN THEY DID THE WALL FIRST AND ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH BRUSHES TRYING TO PAINT THAT CORRUGATED CONCRETE AND WE SEE GUYS THAT PAINT THAT AND DEEP ELEMENT WITH SPRAY CANS, THEY'RE GOOD AT SPRAY PAINTING AND THAT ONE SOMETHING BACK THEN SO I WAS THINKING WHEN THEY TOUCHED UP THE WALL SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU MIGHT FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN DEAL WITH SPRAY PAINTING AND IT COULD BE DONE A LOT QUICKER THAN THOSE POOR PEOPLE WITH THE BRUSHES 21 YEARS AGO. THAT WAS REELED SLOW.
THEY WERE ALMOST DOBBING THE PAINT ON THIS TRYING TO FILL THE
HOLES. >> HAVE WE LOOKED HAT THE I GUESS HEALTH OF THE WALL ITSELF? ARE THERE CRACKS IN THE WALLS? [INAUDIBLE] BUT THAT'S OKAY.
>> SO I MEAN STRUCTURAL ENGINEERED.
>> I HAVE NOT. >> YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION. >> DID YOU LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE
OF THE WALL? >> I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GROWING ON IT. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
>> AND THOSE ARE THINGS WE DO HAVE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH TXDOT FOR AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND FOUND THAT AND STACY WAS ABLE TO FIND A COPY OF THAT.
>> WHAT DOES THAT SAY? >> BASICALLY WE WILL MAINTAIN THE WALL ONCE WE PAINTED IT SO THERE ARE SOME BUSHES HANGING OVER AND SOME DEAD PLANTS AND WE WILL GET WITH OUR TEAMS AN SEE IF WE CAN GET AT A MINIMUM THAT PART OF IT CLEANED UP START TALKING ABOUT ZUF EVERYTHING COMES TO THE SURFACE.
>> WE ALSO KNOW IT'S COSTLY THEY DON'T WANT US IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND MAYBE WE CAN WAVE THAT AT PHLEGM.
>> IT WAS A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FROM 20 YEARS AGO SO LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN TODAY.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THAT WAS, WE WERE ABLE TO SUBMIT TO TXDOT.
>> I THINK WE GOT WHAT WE NEED. >> THANK YOU.
>> YOU HAVE A NEW PIECE OF ART AT THE LIBRARY THAT WAS PRETTY
DARN COOL LOOKING. >> IT WAS A COLLABORATION, THE ARTS AND HUMANITY'S COMMISSION COLLABORATED WITH THE DIVERSITY EQUITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION ON THEIR DIVERSITY EVENT AN ARTIST JOHN MILLETTE CAME OUT WITH THAT HE PREPARED THE CANVAS AND IT HAS BASICALLY SHAPES OF PEOPLE THAT CITIZENS KIDS ADULTS ALL FIT LITTLE DESIGNS THEIR OWN LITTLE DESIGNS IN AND IT'S ON DISPLAY RIGHT NOW IN THE LIBRARY.
>> IT'S PRETTY COOL LOOKING. IS THAT A PERMANENT THING?
>> IT'S A REALLY NICE PIECE. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY THERE?
>> I SAID HE'S A PRETTY CREATIVE GUY, JOHN.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNSEL CONSENT AGENDA, ANYTHING YOU WANT PULLED OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON?
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ALL RIGHT, IT'S