May 17, 2022 City Council Work Session

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[2. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

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>> ALL RIGHT, HAVE WE HAVE CONCLUDED THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ARE BACK IN THE WORK SESSION. THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN ON ITEM 2 A OR 2 B. BUT WE WILL ADDRESS ITEM 2-B IN THE BIG ROOM, THE REGULAR MEETING UNDER ITEMS OF LET'S SEE, WHAT'S

THAT CALLED? >> UPDATE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL

[3A. Joint Work Session of Golf Advisory Board and City Council.]

>> NO. OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. BOARD CHAIR, BRAD MARSHAL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND YOU COULD CALL

THE MEETING TO ORDER. >> THANK YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER WITH THE GULF ADVISORY BOARD MEETING AT THIS TIME. AT 6:07 I THINK THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM AND I'LL JUMP INTO THE PRESENTATION. IF THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU GUYS.

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE NEW FACES. SO, GOVERNMENT ADVISORY

BOARD. >> EACH BOARD IT'S AN AN NEWLY WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL. THE PURPOSE OF THAT WORK SESSION IS TO TALK THROUGH WHAT THE BOARD HAS DONE, ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAST YEAR, WHAT THEIR FOALS ARE GOING FORWARD AT THE END YOU'LL SEE BUDGET REQUESTS OF THE SLIDE SHOWS AND WE DISCUSS THOSE IN DETAILS DURING OUR BUDGET MEETINGS, THIS WAY YOU HAVE A SNAP SHOT OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. WE HAVE A YOUR RAM. I'M BRAD MARSHAL. I'M THE CHAIR, LARRY GLICK, THE INFAMOUS LARRY GLICK, AND MICHAEL IS HERE TONIGHT. AND BARBARA HOLST IS HERE. AND JONATHAN IS HERE, BECKY SEBATIAN IS HERE AND LARRY YOUNG IS HERE AND MATT IS HERE. FULL TEAM.

IMPRESS I HAVE. IF YOU GUYS NOTICED THERE IS A FEW OF US GETTING LONG IN THE TOOTH, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS BOARD AND AROUND THIS GOLF COURSE. SO, THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD AND WE ACT IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO PROVIDE OBSERVATIONS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS MUNICIPAL AND OWNED BY THE CITY. THE MISSION OF THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD IS TO PROSIDE A CAT LIST

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BRIAN, DOES THE CONTRACT ACTUALLY END IN 2030?

>> NO, IT'S ACTUALLY, I SAW LIKE 20 -- WELL, MAY BE IT IS

WITH THE EXTENSIONS. >> IT IS. BEFORE I PUT THAT ON

THERE. >> IT WAS EXTENDED WHEN WE REFINANCED THE DEBT AND LENGTHENED THE LEASE AT THAT TIME. YOU REMEMBER, THEY GAVE US $2 MILLION TO BUY DOWN THE

DEBT AT THAT TIME. >> IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THEY PUT THIS IN BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW FACES AT THE TABLE AND WE WANTED TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE GOVERNMENT COURSE ITSELF AND THIS BOARD'S ROLE AT THE GOVERNMENT COURSE SPECIFICALLY NOT TO BRING UP THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CONTRACT TONIGHT. AND WE ALSO HAVE A SLIDE WITH HISTORY INCLUDING THE SETTLEMENT AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> SO, AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CORPORATION PAYS THE CITY OF ROWLETT $250,000 PER YEAR WHICH OFFSETS THE CAPITAL DEBT WHICH IS THE BOND EQUIVALENT OF $250,000. ROWLETT PARTNERS WITH AMERICAN GOLF TO COMPLETE CAPITAL AND MAINTENANCE PROJECTS WHICH WILL EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AS RELATED TO THE CONTRACT ALL CAPITAL PROJECTS MUST BE AGREED UPON BY BOTH THE CITY OF ROWLETT AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CORPORATION.

THE CITY OF ROWLETT MUST NOT INTERFERE WITH THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE COURSE. THAT'S REALLY HARD.

THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ENSURES COMPLIANCE OF THE CONTRACT WITH AMERICAN GOLF, THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD REVIEWS CITIZEN'S FEEDBACK WITH THE BOARD AND WATERVIEW GOLF STAFF AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE ROUNDS TO PLAY AT THE COURSE AND ENCOURAGE ABC TO FOLLOW THE CONTRACTUAL MAINTENANCE STANDARDS. BRIEF HISTORY SEPTEMBER 1, 2009, THE CITY OF ROWLETT ENTERED INTO A CRUELTY WITH THE AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION. IN OCTOBER OF 04 YEAR YEAR AMERICAN GOLF FILED LAWSUIT ALLEGING BREACH OF CONTRACT RELATED TO PULVERIZING GRASSES. I READ THIS. AND I

WANTED TO ASK WHAT THAT MEANS. >> THAT'S THE WORDS IN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, SO THAT'S WHAT I USED.

>> SO IN APRIL OF '06 THE CITY OF ROWLETT AND AMERICAN GOLF ENTERED INTO A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. AND IN FEBRUARY OF '07 THE CITY OF ROWLETT AND AMERICAN GOLF ENTERED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN NATIVE AREAS.

THIS WAS A BIG DEAL WITH THE WATERVIEW COMMUNITY. WHEN THE GOLF COURSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, OUTSIDE THE GOLF CART PATHS THROUGH THE FENCE LINES WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NATIVE GRASSES AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST A NATIVE BERMUDA AND BUFFALO GRASS, AND FOR SOME REASON IT DIDN'T TAKE. SO, WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH DALLAS GRASS AND IT WAS AWFUL. AND SO, AS THE WATERVIEW DEVELOPMENT CONTINUED TO GROW AND PEOPLE MOVED IN, THAT BECAME A BIG DEAL BECAUSE WE HAD GRASS THIS TALL OUTSIDE OF OUR FENCES BEFORE YOU COULD SEE THE GOLF COURSE. SO WHEN THAT AGREEMENT CAME IN THEY DECIDED TO PUT IT BACK AS

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IT'S REALLY A NICE AMENITY TO THE GOLF COURSE. IN 2018, THE BOND APPROVED REPLACING ALL THE GRASS GREENS WITH TIP EAGLE BERMUDA, THE GREENS WERE OVER 20 YEARS-OLD AT THAT TIME AND QUITE HONESTLY, THEY WERE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON DECIDING WHAT GRASSES TO PUT ON THE GREENS, BUT, EVENTUALLY WE ENDED UP WITH THE EAGLE. AND IN 2019, THE CITY OF ROWLETT AND AMERICAN GOLF REDESIGNED THE LAYOUT AND INSTALLED NEW LINERS AND PREMIERE WHITE SAND. AND IF YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY, WITH THE FAIRWAYS AS GREEN AS THEY ARE, AND THE WHITE SAND AS FAIR AS IT IS, IT IS BEAUTIFUL TO LOOK AT, REALLY STUNNING. IN 2018 THE CITY FUNDED A LONG TERM CAPITAL MAINTENANCE PLAN AND TREE PLAN. SO, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT WATERVIEW GOLF COURSE AS FAR AS THE METRICS, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS THE NUMBER OF TOURNAMENTS THEY HAVE HAD. AND THIS IS KIND OF WRAPPED AROUND COVID-19, YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBERS PRIOR TO COVID-19 WERE HIGH AND LOW DURING COVID AND THEY'RE NOW GETTING PRETTY HIGH AGAIN. ROUNDS PLAYED IN 2018, 30,963.

IF I REMEMBER, THE LARGEST NUMBER OF ROUNDS WE HAD WAS LIKE 55,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WAS REALLY HIGH. AND QUITE HONESTLY, IT WAS HIGH TORE SO MANY YEARS IT WAS PUTTING SO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE GOLF COURSE AND MADE IT DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.

>> WASN'T IT ABOUT 48,000 WHEN WE MET WITH AGC, I BELIEVE, WE

WERE CLOSE TO 48. >> 42. LARRY'S CORRECT, 42.

>> DURING COVID WE WENT DOWN TO 15,000 AND IN 2020 PEOPLE STARTED TO COME OUT AND 35,487, AND, IN 2021, WE HAD 35,457, THOSE ARE GOOD NUMBERS, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF ROUNDS OF GOLF.

AND THE GOLF COURSE CAN SUSTAIN THAT TRAFFIC PRETTY WELL. THEY HAVE A MEMBERSHIP PROGRAM OUT THERE IN 2018 IT WAS $772, AND IN 2022 IT'S CURRENTLY AT $600. SO, THAT'S WHERE THEY PAY A MEMBERSHIP FEE AND GET REDUCED RATES FOR GREEN FEES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. PAVILION RENTALS IN 2018 WAS 21. IN 2022, WE HAVE NINE COMPLETED AND THERE FRIDAY SATURDAY AND MONDAY, THERE WERE SIX FULL TOURNAMENTS OR HALF TOURNAMENTS IN THOSE DAYS. PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE PAVILION RENTALS FOR THE TOURNAMENTS. ACCOMPLISHMENTS, JANUARY 2021 CITY COUNCIL ALLOCATED $100,000 FOR REPAIRS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AT WATERVIEW GOLF COURSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS GOLF COURSE NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME. IN MAY OF 2021 WE RECOMMENDED FIVE PROJECTS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, PROJECTS INCLUDED THE PARKING LOT, STRIPING AND LINING, RESTROOM REMODELING.

OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE. >> THE ON COURSE REST ROOMS.

>> MONUMENT REPLACEMENT AND WORK ON VENT COVER WHICH IS ON THE TOP OF THE ROOF NOT LOOKING TOO GOOD. THOSE PROJECTS ARE NEARING COMPLETION. I THINK THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE LEFT IS THE

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COVER. >> WELL, THE MONUMENT

REPLACEMENT. >> YEAH. BUT WE HAVE THE MONUMENTS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE EXCEPT FOR TWO OF THEM AND WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE TWO. MARCH OF 2022, DRAINAGE REPAIRS ON HOLE NUMBER 6 WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THAT PROJECTS WAS COMPLETED WITHIN TWO WEEKS, BY APRIL OF 2022. AND THAT WAS VERY MUCH NEEDED. CONTINUED PARTICIPATION IN RECOMMENDATIONS TO ENSURE THE COURSE WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH EXHIBIT F, WHICH IS THE STANDARDS THAT AMERICAN GOLF IS SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THE GRASS AND THE TRAPS AND THINGS AROUND THE GOLF COURSE IS WHAT EXHIBIT F IS. AMERICAN GOLF PERFORMED SIGNIFICANT WORK ON THE CART PATHS DUE TO THESE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENT. IN JANUARY 2022 A REMEDIATION TREE PLAN SUBCOMMITTEE WAS FORMED BECAUSE OF AN THEY HAD TO REMOVE A LOT OF TREES IN THE EASEMENTS.

AS A PART OF THAT, THEY REPLACED A LOT OF THOSE TREES AND WE FORMED A COMMITTEE THAT'S GOING OUT TO LOOK AT WHERE WE SHOULD REPLACE THE TREES AND EASEMENTS VETS AND WE HAVE A MASTER TREE PLAN AND LARRY IS GOOD AT FOLLOWING THAT AND PUTTING THE RIGHT TREES IN THE RIGHT SPOTS. SO, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. SO, I INSERTED A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO KIND OF SHOW YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS THAT COME UP AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY KIND OF LOOK LIKE BEFORE AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AFTER. SO, THE TOP ONE ARE OLD SAND TRAPS, THE OLD GROUND SAND, THEY WERE WASHED OUT BAD, THE DRAINAGE WAS HORRIBLE, AND THE LINEAGE WAS DONE AND IN THE BUNKER TO SEPARATE THE SAND FROM THE BLACK DIRT THERE'S A LINER TO KEEP THAT SEPARATE AND THEN THERE'S DRAINAGE UNDERNEATH THAT TO DRAIN THE WATER OUT OF THUGS TRAPS OTHERWISE THEY BECOME LAKES. YOU COULD SEE THE ONE ON THE TOP LEFT BECAME A LAKE AND FINALLY JUST EVAPORATED. SO, WE WENT BACK WHEN WE DID THE GOLF COURSE RENOVATION 3 YEARS AGO AND WE PUT IN NEW BUMPER LINERS, AND WE PUT IN WHITE SAND AND ALL THE DRAINAGE WAS REDONE AT THAT TIME. THAT WAS AN INFRASTRUCTURE THING THAT WE DID AND TOOK CARE OF. AND THE WALLS ON THE SECOND SET OF PICTURES ARE THE WALLS AT THE CORNER OF LIBERTY GROVE AND WATERVIEW PARKWAY. . THEY GOT TO THE POINT TO WHERE THE MARINE WOOD WALLS WERE COLLAPSING AND WE WERE AFRAID IF WE GOT A HEAVY RAIN OR SOME SITUATION THAT THEY WOULD JUST SLIDE OFF INTO THE LAKE. SO, WE CAME UP WITH A NEW MATERIAL THAT WAS BRAND NEW AT THE TIME. IT'S A CONCRETE WALL THAT LOOKS LIKE STONE. AND THE REASON WE CHOSE THAT IS BECAUSE THIS GROUND IS SO EXPANSIVE HERE THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT GOES FIRST OF ALL, HEAVY DUTY, SECOND OF ALL, HAS THE AVAILABILITY TO EXPAND AND CONTRACT WITH THE SOIL, THEN IT'S JUST GOING TO BREAK APART. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY BUILT IN BLOCKS, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE INDIVIDUAL STONES, THOSE BLOCKS WEIGH ABOUT 2200 POUNDS A PIECE AND THEY'RE WELL ENGINEERED. AND THAT WALL WILL BE THERE AND THE NEW WALLS THAT WE PUT IN AS A PART OF THE GOLF COURSE RENOVATION WILL BE THERE 50 YEARS FROM NOW. SO, WE REALLY TRIED DO IT RIGHT WHEN WE REPLACED THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT PUT SOMETHING IN THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN 10 YEARS. AND THE BOTTOM ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN, THIS WAS A LAKE ON HOLE NUMBER TWO IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE COURSE AT ALL. THIS WAS OUR SIGNATURE HOLE FOR A LONG TIME. WHEN I MOVED IN, THAT'S WHAT THE LAKE LOOKED LIKE ON THAT HOLE, AND IT WAS SO OVERGROWN WITH WILLOW TREES THAT STANDING ON THE T-BOX YOU REALLY DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A LAKE THERE, THAT'S HOW BAD IT WAS. SO, WHAT WE DETERMINED IS THAT THE ON COURSE LAKES DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF CIRCULATION AT ALL. SO, ONCE WE GOT THIS LAKE CLEANED UP, WE WENT BACK AND PUT A FOUNTAIN AND A CIRCULATING PUMP IN THERE SO IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF THE LAKES. THAT WAS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE AND THE RIGHT PICTURE IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AFTER WE WERE DONE. SO, WHAT THIS BOARD IS REALLY COMING TO YOU GUYS WITH ALL THE TIME IS, PLEASE, CONTINUE TO FUND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES, YOU KNOW. THIS GOLF COURSE IS 22 YEARS-OLD AND THERE ARE THINGS

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RECOMMEND MAINTENANCE PROJECTS FOR FUNDING BY THE CITY OF ROWLETT OR JOINT FUNDING FOR AMERICAN GOLF FOR THE GOVERNMENT COURSE AND RECOMMEND SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF WATERVIEW GOLF COURSE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO, FUTURE CONCERNS, AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION ON GOING ADHERENCE TO THE MAINTENANCE STANDARDS WHICH IS EXHIBIT F. KEEP AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR LEASE AGREEMENT REGARDING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. THE FOCUS ON THE UPKEEP OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT. AND REMEMBERING THE CITY OF ROWLETT'S MISSION FOR WATERVIEW GOLF COURSE. THESE ARE THE PROJECT THAT IS WE HAVE PRIORITIZED INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, THE FIRST IS BASICALLY CONTINUE TO FUNDING, WE HAD TO PRIORITIZE, AND THIS IS OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY IS, YOU KNOW, EMPHASIZING TO YOU GUYS IS CONTINUED FUNDING FOR OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR LONG RANGE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. AND THE REST OF THOSE ARE JUST PROJECTS THAT WE'RE AWARE OF RIGHT NOW THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH. AND THERE'S PROBABLY 250 OR $300,000 WORTH OF PROJECTS UP THERE THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED ATTENTION IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

>> THERE'S PROBABLY 50 ON THE LIST THAT ARE PART OF THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT AREN'T THERE THAT ARE COMING.

>> YOU REMEMBER IN FEBRUARY OF '21 THEY ALLOCATED $100,000, AND CURRENTLY THERE'S $150,000 UNALLOCATED. SO THIS GROUP WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH ADDITIONAL PROJECTS AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THEIR BUDGET REQUESTS WILL BE IN THE UPCOMING YEAR WHEN YOU

GET TO THE BUDGET CONVERSATIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> YES. UM, SO I'M GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST ANNUAL COST TO THE TAXPAYER TO FUND THE GOLF COURSE? IS IT THE $100,000

THAT YOU MENTIONED OR... >> I WOULD HAVE TO GO --

>> WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS. >> IF YOU'RE MAKING MONEY.

>> WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE CONTRACT AT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL, THE DETAILS OF THAT.

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> I UNDERSTAND THIS BUDGET DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF THE 2018 BOND?

>> SO, ESSENTIALLY RIGHT NOW WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS THAT TE CITY HAS COME UP WITH FROM TIME TO TIME, ONGOING, OTHER THAN DEBT SERVICE THAT'S ALL THERE IS RIGHT NOW ON THE MILLION DOLLAR BONDS THAT WE IS IT BACK IN 2018. AND SO, THAT'S ALL THAT'S ON THERE. THEIR RENT THAT THEY PAY US IS WHAT'S USED TO PAY THE ORIGINAL DEBT (INDISCERNIBLE) THAT WAS AMENDED AT SOME POINT. SO, THAT'S

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PARKS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COST IS TO THE TAXPAYERS AND APPROXIMATELY, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO ESTIMATE, BUT APPROXIMATELY, HOW MANY OF OUR CITIZENS ACTUALLY USE THE COURSE?

>> THAT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY. >> I KNOW IT'S HARD. I MEAN...

>> I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NEIGHBORS AND PLAY THE GOVERNMENT COURSE ALL THE TIME. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF TOURNAMENTS AND WE HAVE PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER AREAS TO PLAY THOSE TOURNAMENTS. OF THOSE 35,000 ROUNDS, IT WOULD BE

A GUESS. >> NO IDEA?

>> YEAH. >> I UNDERSTAND THEY REPAIRED THE DRAINAGE ON HOLE SIX I WAS OUT THERE A FEW MONTHS AGO AND THERE SEEMED TO BE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ON A NUMBER OF HOLES, DO WE HAVE A DRAINAGE REPAIR PLAN THERE? I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER A GUY TRYING TO GET A PUMP DOWN ON HOLE NINE.

>> WE DEFINITELY HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES. IF YOU GUYS HAVE LIVE IN ROWLETT, WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS WITH HOUSES HERE, THE GROUND EXPANDS AND EXTRACTS AND CAUSES PROBLEMS. THINK ABOUT PVC UNDER THE GROUND AND SOME OF THOSE PIPES ARE 12 FOOT UNDER THE GROUND AND THEY'RE LITTLE, SMALL, DRAINAGE PIPES IN SOME CASES THAT WEREN'T REALLY INSTALLED IN THE BEST WAY, AND SO THOSE THINGS ARE STARTING TO COLLAPSE, AND THAT SIMILAR DRAINAGE PIPE IS 12 FEET UNDER THE GROUND, OKAY, FOR THEM TO CREATE A DRAIN LINE, IF YOU WILL. SO, WE'RE AWARE OF THE ONE ON NINE AND THE ONE ON 4 AND WE'RE WAITING FOR AMERICAN GOLF TO SAY, WE GIVE UP, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT DRAIN ANYMORE, AND THEN WE GOT TO STEP IN WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO REPLACE THAT DRAIN.

>> BUT THEY'RE PART OF THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT'S WHY THE CITY HAS THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE PLAN TO HELP PAY FOR

THAT. >> HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE EXHIBIT F? BECAUSE WHEN I READ EXHIBIT F, I SEE MEAN THINGS THAT ARE NOT BEING ENFORCED?

>> THAT'S A CITY CONTRACT ISSUE, NOT NECESSARILY A GOLF ADVISORY BOARD ISSUE, BUT IT'S CONSTANT AUDITS, AND COMPLIANCE, AND TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING DONE AND WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT GOES OUT AND DOES AUDITS, HE JUST DID ONE AND COUNCIL WILL

SEE THOSE. >> AND YOU SAID YOU DID THAT

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> ONE OF MY PET PEEVES, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE 22 YEARS THAT THE COURSE HAS BEEN EXISTING THE COURSE HAS NEVER BEEN IRRIGATED AND IT SAYS HERE, THEY'RE

SUPPOSED TO BE IRRIGATED. >> TO ME THAT'S A CONTRACT BROACH. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY NOT BEING SPENT. THIS GOLF COURSE, (INDISCERNIBLE) LOWER LEVEL GOLF COURSE COMPARED TO SOME OF THE GOLF COURSES IN THE AREA SO OUR FEES ARE LESS AND WE DRAW FEWER PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

>> I AGREE ON THAT ONE 100%. >> I WOULD SAY IT DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO THE GOLF COURSE, IF YOU LOOK AT PARAGRAPH 4 IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO THE REPAIRS TO THE CLUB HOUSE. IT'S IN THE CONTRACT, THEY THEY HAVE BEEN REPAIRING THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM, AND THE KITCHEN AND EVERYTHING. WE JUST SPENT THE BETTER PART OF $100,000 DOING

THOSE REPAIRS. >> YEAH, THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD IS VERY WELL AWARE OF THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES, AND AGAIN, WE'LL GO INTO SOME DETAIL INTO THE CONTRACTUAL MATTERS AND

THE 27TH, WHAT YOU DISCUSSED. >> AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE KNOWS THIS, SO, AMERICAN GOLF PAID $2 MILLION TO HELP US PAY DOWN THE BONDS, WHAT DID AMERICAN GOLF GET FROM THAT

OTHER THAN A LOWER? >> AT THE TIME, ALL THE BONDS WERE TAXABLE BECAUSE IT WAS A TURN KEY SITUATION. BUT ONE OF THE BONDS WAS A VARIABLE INTEREST RATE BOND. SO THEY WERE AT TIMES PAYING $400,000 AND THEN IT WENT UP AS HIGH AS $700,000 FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. SO, BY PAYING DOWN THAT $2.2 MILLION THEY WERE ABLE TO LOCK INTO A FIRM PAYMENT RIGHT A AROUND $250,000 A YEAR AND THEN THE CITY REDUCED THEIR RENT TO

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>> RIGHT, THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION.

>> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> WELL, AND NO, BECAUSE WHEN THE VARIABLE RATES, WHEN THEY WERE UP, THEY WERE PAYING AGAIN, $700,000 IN SOME YEARS WHEN IT WAS HIGH. SO, IT WAS HUGELY BENEFICIAL FOR THEM TO LOCK THAT IN AND HOPE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY START TO MAKE A PROFIT.

>>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA ADVERTISING.

AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S Y'ALL'S SCOPE, BUT, IS THERE ANY WORD FROM FOLKS AT AMERICAN GOLF ABOUT THEIR --

>> THERE'S A I WOULD SAY A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND AND THE PEOPLE DOING THE SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF.

>> I FIGURED. >> IS HAS GOTTEN BETTER A LITTLE BIT. THEY HAVE A NEW EVENT COORDINATOR THAT'S DOING STUFF THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY TO DO WITH GOLF, SHE'S DONE CORN

HOLE AND TRIVIA NIGHTS. >> WHERE IS SHE ADVERTISING

THAT AT? >> IT'S ON FACEBOOK. THAT'S

THEIR MAIN SOCIAL MEDIA SPOT. >> MY BAD, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT WAS POSTED THREE MONTHS AGO.

>> AND IT'S ALL CORPORATELY RUN.

>> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> I WAS GOING OFF OF A BAD SOURCE.

>> THEIR WEBSITE SUNSHINE CORPORATELY RUN SO THEY GIVE THEM INFORMATION, OUR STAFF HERE DOES A GREAT JOB OF GETTING INFORMATION OUT ON THE CLUB AND GETTING IT OUT.

>> THAT'S GREAT. >> THEY HAVE A LOT OF LEADS NOW THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE. A WOMEN'S LEAGUE, A SENIOR LEAGUE, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> AND THEY'RE DOING VERY CONSISTENT GOLF TOURNAMENTS WHICH IS GENERATING A LOT OF BUZZ AROUND THE CLUB HOUSE.

THEY HAVE FOUR CONSISTENT TOURNAMENTS EVERY WEEK ON CERTAIN NIGHTS AND DRAW QUITE A CROWD.

>> I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THE NUMBERS GOING UP ON USAGE AND THE PLAYER'S CLUB. AND THAT'S GOOD TO SEE I HOPE THAT TREND

CONTINUES. >> YES.

>> LOTS OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK AT THE COURSE, THE PROJECT THAT IS

HAS BEEN DONE. >> MATT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?

>> YEAH, I DO. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, GUYS. THERE'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN ANYBODY THAT WORKS AT AMERICAN GOLF THAT KNOWS THAT COURSE AS WELL AS THAT GENTLEMAN AND THAT GENTLEMAN BACK THERE. PROBABLY LITERALLY KNOW WHERE EVERY PIPE IS IN THE GROUND AND EVERY SPRINKLER HEAD EVERY TREE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE ON THE COURSE. WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE ADVISORY BOARD AS THE LIAISON, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN. NO.

THIS IS A HARD, HARD WORKING GROUP THAT CARES PASSIONATELY ABOUT THIS ASSET TO THE CITY. BRAD'S ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA, HOME OWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND WORKS CLOSELY WITH KEEPING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING GREAT AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WATERVIEW GOLF COURSE LOOKING AS GOOD AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES. THEY WORK HARD TO PROTECT THAT ASSET AND ADVOCATE FOR THAT ASSET AND THEY CONTINUE DO SO AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FORWARD TO UPDATE YOU MORE AS WE GET MORE INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF IT ON THE 27TH, TO FILL IN THAT HISTORY. THAT YOU CAN TO THE BOARD AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. THEY WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO MOVE THEIR MEETINGS TO 7:00 A.M. TO ACCOMMODATE ME. SO THEY GET UP NICE AND EARLY. AND I WAS VERY HAPPY THEY DID THIS. I BROUGHT THEM DONUTS THE FIRST DAY. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ATE THEM BUT THERE WERE DONUTS THERE. THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB AND LOOK FORWARD TO KEEP WORKING WITH YOU GUYS.

>> IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I APPRECIATE

EVERYBODY'S TIME. >> I'M SORRY?

>> ONE QUICK THING, SINCE 1999, I'VE MADE THIS OFFER TO EVERY SINGLE NEW COUNCIL PERSON, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT AGAIN, I WOULD ESCORT YOU ON A TOUR OF THE GOVERNMENT COURSE WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHEN IT WAS A COTTON FIELD AND EVERYTHING SINCE THEN. IT WOULD TAKE AS MUCH TIME OR AS LITTLE TIME AS YOU HAVE, AND YOU'LL LEARN AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN TONIGHT AND SOME THAT YOU HAVE NOT. I'LL GET THE INFORMATION TO THE SECRETARY AND ANYTIME YOU WANT, I WOULD ENJOY

DOING THAT. >> ARE YOU AVAILABLE AT 8:00 IN

THE MORNING? >> THANK YOU. FOR VOLUNTEERING ON THIS BOARD. YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF PASSION AND OF COURSE, WE

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>> I THINK WE'RE ADJOURNED. >> WITH THAT, WE'RE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT ITEM...

[3B. Presentation of Finalists for Fire Station #2 Sculpture]

>> CHAIR OF ARTS AND AMENITIES WILL BE PRESENTING.

>> LAURA IS IN THE HALL. >> A PRESENTATION?

>> THAT'S AWESOME. YOU SAID LAST TIME THAT YOU WANTED OPTIONS. SO, WE'RE BRINGING OPTIONS.

>> THIS IS SWEET. >> COOL.

>> SHE'S GOT TO FETCH THE RUBBLE.

>> ARTS ARTS AND HUMANITIES. >> THERE WE GO.

>> SO, WE HAVE OPTIONS WITHIN OUR OPTIONS.

>> >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MAYOR, SO, I'M LAURA TURNER WITH THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES COMMISSION, I'M HERE WITH OUR CHAIR, DEBORAH CROSBY AND WE HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER, ELIZABETH SWAGERTY, AND WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS OF ART FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER 2. SO SINCE 2016, COUNCIL FUNDS A PUBLIC ART PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF ROWLETT. STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 2016, $40,000 WAS FUNDED FOR PUBLIC ART. IN 2017, $50,000 WAS FUNDED. IN 2018, $40,000, AND IN 2019, THE CITY STARTED PROVIDING FUNDING FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM AS WELL SO MAKE SURE THAT PUBLIC ART LOOKS GOOD, YOU KNOW. THEN, DUE TO THE COVID PANDEMIC IN FISCAL YEAR '20 AND '21 THERE WASN'T A BUDGET FOR PUBLIC ARTS FOR MANY REASONS SUCH AS FINANCIAL UNCERTAINTY, AND ARTS AND HUMANITIES COMMISSION THE MEETINGS WERE BEING HELD BY ZOOM. AND YOU GUYS KNOW HOW DIFFICULT ZOOM MEETINGS ARE, YOU DON'T GET GOOD DISCUSSIONS IT'S HARD TO GET TRACTION ON THINGS SO WE WEREN'T PURSUING PUBLIC ART IN THOSE TWO YEARS BECAUSE THERE WAS A PANDEMIC GOING ON. AND IN FISCAL YEAR '22 WE RESUMED THAT FUNDING WITH $40,000 FOR ART AND $10,000 FOR MAINTENANCE. IN DECEMBER 2016, THE COMMISSION WELCOMED IT'S INAUGURAL PUBLIC ART OFFERING OF A 15-FOOT STEEL ABSTRACT SCULPTURE ENTITLED THE BEST OF US ARE TAKEN BY SURPRISE. THAT'S THE SCULPTURE ON THE FAR LEFT AND IT WAS CREATED BY TEXAS ARTIST NICK NOBLIQUE. AND TWO MORE STATUES WERE DONATED IN 2017 WE HAVE SPARKLE AND STEADY AND BLUE.

AND IN 2019, AN ADDITIONAL NIC NOBLIQUE, THE RESPONDER WAS

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IN 2019, SYNERGY WAS INSTALLED AT VETERAN'S PARK. AND AT THIS POINT IN THE PRESENTATION, DEBORAH, OUR CHAIR WHETHER TAKE

OVERMENT OF >> WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE FIRE STATION 2. WE PUT A LOT OF OUR PIECES AT THE FIRE STATIONS AND WE WANTED TO REPRESENT STATION 2 AS WELL. THE COMMISSION FOCUSED ON A PUBLIC ART INSTALL INDICATION. THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES COMMISSION WAS ASKED TO INCORPORATE MORE DIVERSITY INTO THE PUBLIC ARTS PROGRAM AND COUNCIL ASKED FOR MORE INPUT IN CONSIDERING PUBLIC ARTS ACCOMMODATION. THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES COMMISSION INVITED ARTISTS TO SUBMIT CONSIDERATIONS AS AN ARTIST FOR A SCULPTURE. THE CALL TO ARTIST WAS ADVERTISED WITH AMERICAN FOR THE ARTS, TEXAS COMMISSION ON THE ARTS, ART SHOW CALM AND THE FACEBOOK PAGE ARTISTS CALLED DALLAS. THE CALL TO ART ASHEN ASKED FOR A AN ART TO BE REPRESENTATION NAIL IN NATURE NOT ABSTRACT AND FOR THE BUDGET NOT TO EXCEED $48,000 INCLUDING ARTISTS FEES, TRAVEL DURING FAB INDICATION AND INSTALLATION, ENGINEERING, TYROLESE, FAB INDICATION, TRANSPORTATION, DOCUMENTATION, INSURANCE, APPLICABLE PERMIT FEES AND LIGHTING. THE DEADLINE WAS JANUARY 31ST, 2022, AND 41 ARTISTS SUBMIT THE THEIR REQUIREMENTS. SO, A SELECTION PANEL COME PRIZED OF FIRE CHIEF HOWARD, COMMISSIONER MARTHA BROWN, THE AAC STAFF LIAISON, THREE MEMBERS OF THE AHC AND THROW ROWLETT CITIZENS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THE MEMBER OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT NARROWED THESE DOWN TO THREE. THESE THREE ARTISTS WERE INVITED TO VISIT ROWLETT ON MARCH 16TH, 2022, AND VISIT IT FIRE STATION TWO AND MEET THE CHIEF. AND EACH ARTIST WAS PROVIDED A $500 STYE PEND FOR VISITING THE SITE.

THE ARTISTS PRESENTED THEIR DESIGNS VIA ZOOM TO THE

SELECTION PANEL. >> SO THIS FIRST IMAGE IS FROM THE FIRST PERSON WHO PRESENTED ON OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE HAD OUR SPECIAL SESSION FOR THE ARTISTS TO PRESENT. LINDA SORRAL, THIS IS HER PIECE HERE, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS TO THIS PARTICULAR PIECE. ONE DEMONSTRATES WITH THE REBEL, MORE OF A REBEL LOOKING FEATURE, BUT WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO CAN POTENTIALLY PROVIDE STEEL FROM 911 TO WE HAVE AN OPTION THAT WOULD REPRESENT THE USE OF THAT STEEL.

AND WITH A SHIFT, WE'LL LET THE MAGIC HAPPEN. THERE'S THE

REPRESENTATION. >> THE BUDGET FOR THE DESIGN IS $48,000, IT'S A 3 FOOT TALL BRONZE FIRE-FIGHTER PULLING SOMEONE UP FROM THE WRECKAGE OF 911 THIS DESIGN CAN ACCOMMODATE RECLAIMED STEEL FROM WRECKAGE SITE. IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT CUTTING A PIECE OF THE WRECKAGE AND TRANSPORTS TO TEXAS WILL COST APPROXIMATELY $5,000. THE NEXT ONE IS THE DESIGN BY HERALD LAKE WHICH HAS A BUDGET OF $47,900. IT'S CARBON FIBER COMPOSITE REPRESENTATION OF THE TWIN TOWERS AS A GOTHIC ARCH ALONG WITH A SOARING EAGLE. THE BASE IS STEEL WITH A BLACK CHALK COATING WHICH CAN ACCOMMODATE VISITORS WRITING ON THE CHALK, THERE ARE 686 BOOTHS AND THE 271 STEPS THEY CLIMBED.

>> AND THE LAST ONE WHICH WE HAVE A MOCK UP FOR IS JOHN YELK'S DESIGN BUDGETED AT $48,000. THIS IS A BRONZE FIRE-FIGHTER BUST WITH 343 LASER SUMMIT CROSSES. THEY WILL BE HALLOWED TO ACCOMMODATE INTERIOR LIGHTING AND ONE FIRE-FIGHTER HOLDS A LIGHT AND THE OTHER FACES OUTWARD TOWARDS THE

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>> SO, THE SELECTION PANEL ASSIGNED RANKINGS TO EACH DESIGN BASED ON ELEMENTS SUCH AS HOW CLOSELY THE DESIGN MET THE QUALIFICATIONS MET THE CALL TO ARTISTS AND HOW THE STATEMENT WILL LAST OVER TIME IN ADDITION NOT SUBMITTED BUDGET. OUT OF A POSSIBLE SCORE OF 100, THE RANKINGS WERE AS FOLLOWS, LINDA, 92.65, HERALD, 78, AND JOHN MILLET, 94.31. SO, THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES RECOMMENDS THE DESIGN COMMITTED BY JOHN MILLET. SOME OF THE ELEMENTS WERE THE DESIGN IS UNIQUE BUT NOT ABSTRACT, THE USE OF THE FIRE-FIGHTER AS CROSS IS CRITICAL TO THE DESIGN AND NOT AN AFTER THOUGHT. THE POWER AND THE MESSAGE TO THE 911 TRAGEDY WILL BE EVIDENT IN THE FUTURE AND THE MODEL OF THE FIRE-FIGHTER HOLDING THE HELMET WILL BE THE ARTIST SON WHO HAS AN EXTREME PASSION FOR FIRE-FIGHTERS. THAT'S OUR

RECOMMENDATION. >> SO COOL.

>> HE IS FROM ROWLETT. >> ANY QUESTIONS? WHO IS

MILLET? >> THE ARTIST.

>> THE ARTIST. HE DECIDED TO COME UP WITH A SUBMISSION AND WITH DREW FROM THE COMMITTEE PROCESS.

>> YOU HAD STATED THAT IN ORDER TO TRANSPORT THE PIECE FROM 911

IT WOULD BE $5,000, CORRECT? >> ABOUT $5,000 WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE CRANE TO LIFT THE PIECE, THE WELDER TO CUT IT, THE CRANES TO LIFT IT AND THE TRANSPORT PROCESS ITSELF.

>> AND THAT WOULD BE USED AS THE BASE THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE?

>> THAT COULD BE USED AS THE BASE.

>> AND IT WOULD BE DONATED STEEL, THE GENTLEMAN WHO HAS THE STEEL IS AN ARTIST AND HE DID A LARGE 911 SCULPTURE, HE GOT STEEL FROM ONE OF THE WRECKAGE YARDS THAT THE STEEL WAS TAKEN TO. AND, HE GOT IT ON THE AGREEMENT THAT IF THERE WERE ANY PARTS LEFTOVER HE COULD NOT SELL THEM, HE HAD TO GIVE THEM AWAY AND IT HAD TO BE USED FOR A MEMORIAL SCULPTURE.

>> IS THERE A WAY TO DISPLAY THE BEAM? I AGREE, I LIKE THAT SCULPTURE, BUT HAVING A PIECE OF THAT IN OUR CITY TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT IT, I THINK IT'S A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK WE

NEED TO JUMP ON IT. >> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIRE STATION THERE'S AN AREA THAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD DISPLAY JUST THE BEAM ON IT'S OWN. NOT NECESSARILY

INCORPORATE IT INTO. >> WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH WE END UP CUTTING. IT'S A LARGE PIECE THAT'S THERE. THERE'S

ACTUALLY TWO PIECES. >> ONE IS 30 FEET LONG AND

ONE'S 20 FEET LONG. >> SO, WE WOULDN'T CUT A PIECE THAT BIG, WE WOULD PROBABLY CUT A SMALLER SECTION.

>> I WOULD SAY IF IT WERE SMALLER SIZED, WE COULD FIT ONE IN A GLASS CASE INSIDE THE LOBBY BUT THAT WOULD BE REALLY SMALL.

>> WHAT WOULD THE SIGNS OF THE FINISHED SCULPTURE BE?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN LATE 2020, 2021, YOU KNOW, PRICES HADN'T BEEN GOING UP ON THE MATERIALS, SO, THERE IS NOW A LOT LESS THAT THEY CUSHIONED IN THESE BUDGETS. AND SO, WE ARE DISCUSSING WHAT THE SCALE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN ORDER FOR THIS TO STILL BE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE BUDGETED AREA. SO, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO, WE DO WANT IT TO SIT WITHIN THE ROOF LINE OF THE BUILDING, NOT TO EXCEED THAT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY A LITTLE SMALLER THAN WHAT THE INITIAL SCALE WAS INITIALLY DESIGNED AS

JUST FOR COST SAKE. >> SO WHEN WE INITIALLY HAD THE CALL TO ARTISTS PUT OUT, WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS STEEL. IT WAS THIS ARTIST WHO SAW OUR CALL AND SAID, HEY, WOULD YOU WANT THIS? AND SO, BECAUSE WE HAD PUBLISHED IT WITHOUT THAT REQUIREMENT, WE DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS FAIR TO SAY OH, YEAH, BY THE WAY, YOU ALTS HAVE TO INCORPORATE THIS. SO, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO PRIMARILY WAS TO FOCUS ON GETTING GOOD VALUE, QUALITY, AND GET SOMETHING REALLY NICE LOOKING FOR THE FIRE

STATION AND. >> FOR THE ACTUAL PRPURPOSE OF

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IT. >> AND IF THE STEEL WORKED WITH IT, GREAT, IF IT DIDN'T, THEN, YOU KNOW...

>>... YES. >> WELL, I GUESS YOU'RE LOOKING

FOR A CONSENSU >> SO, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IS FOR US TO COME BACK ON JUNE 7TH, AND HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION ON A PROCLAMATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I BELIEVE IS HOW THAT SHOULD TRANSPIRE. ON JUNE 7TH THERE'LL BE A CONSENT ITEM, WOULD BE TO PURCHASE IT AND CONTRACT WITH THE ART INTERNATIONAL.

>> IT WOULD BE A RESOLUTION. >> IT WOULD BE A RESOLUTION.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE 911 (INDISCERNIBLE) IT'S LIKELY THE CITY'S GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER FIRE STATION COMING ON BOARD SOMETIME SOON?

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> (INAUDIBLE)

>> I BELIEVE THERE IS A TIME LIMIT. WE WERE HAVING THIS

DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING. >> THAT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON SOMETHING. AS LONG AS HE HAS IT. IT MAY BE GONE BY THAT

TIME. >> IF THAT'S INTEREST FOR COUNCIL, I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND ACT ON SPENDING THE $5,000 AND GETTING THE STOW HE WILL STEEL AND STORING IT.

>> WE HAVE FACILITY, RIGHT? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COUNCIL, IF I MAY, BEING A PART THIS HAVE PROCESS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE DID A CALL TO ARTISTS LIKE THIS. AND I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT IT WENT EXTRAORDINARILY WELL, GIVEN THE IMPACTS OF COVID, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PIECES THAT WE WOULD GET SUBMISSIONS FOR. AND SO, THE FACT THAT WE GOT UM, TWO INCREDIBLE PIECES, ACTUALLY THREE WITH HERALD'S, IS ASTOUNDING. BUT, GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE TOOK ALL THE NECESSARY STEPS TO VET NOT ONLY THE ARTISTS, THE PIECES, AND THE HISTORY, AND THE REASONING, AND ALL OF THAT. THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSION, SO, I'M REALLY EXCITED, I HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL AGREE THAT THE PIECE THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE SELECTION COMMITTEE IS THE RIGHT PIECE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND IN TERMS OF THE 911 STEEL, I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT AT SOME POINT. BUT FOR TODAY'S CONSENSUS, I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO SEE THE GRANTING THE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ENGAGING THE ARTIST ON THIS PIECE.

>> I HAVE TO AGREE WITH JEFF, BECAUSE I WAS THERE AND I SAW THE OTHERS AND THEY WERE JUST FANTASTIC. BUT, I SAT UP THERE AND LIKE, I STILL NEEDED HIM TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO ME, ESPECIALLY WITH HIS SPECIAL NEEDS SON AND WHY HE DID IT AND IT REALLY HAD A BIG IMPACT ON ME.

>> I ALSO WOULD BE NEGLIGENT IF I DIDN'T THANK HOWARD TO PROVIDE US WITH THE NECESSARY GUIDANCE TO GET TO THIS POINT. WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE WANTED, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE BEEN WANDERING IN THE DARK AND THE CHIEF GAVE US A GOOD VISION

OF THAT. >> I REALLY LIKE BOTH OF THEM.

ACTUALLY, THIS ONE AT FIRST WAS MY FAVORITE, BUT, I THINK, THE SENTIMENTAL VALUE OF THIS ONE AND HAVING IT BE A ROWLETT RESIDENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. I'M IN AGREEMENT.

>> MY FAVORITE PART WAS IN HIS DESCRIPTION, THE ONE WITH THE FIRE-FIGHTERS COMING INTO THE STATION, AND THE OTHER ONE READY TO ANSWER THE CALL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS SO IMPACTFUL.

>> EVEN THOUGH I LOVE THE STEEL AND ALL OF THIS YEAR, THERE'S

MORE SYMBOLISM ON THE OTHER ONE. >> THERE WAS MORE DISCUSSION FOR THE OTHER ONE BEING A GREAT LOCATION OVER AT THE TRAINING SESSION, IF WE WERE GOING TO BE BUDGETING MONEY FOR THAT. BUT THIS WOULD LOOK WONDERFUL AT THE TRAINING CENTER BECAUSE IT'S INSPIRATIONAL TO THE IDEA OF A RESCUE.

>> I WAS JUST THINKING THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PIECE TO FACTOR IN THE 911. HE'S ON TOP OF A BEAM NOW.

>> WELL, WE DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY FOR TWO YEARS IN A ROW.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION. AND ALSO THE ARTISTS AS WELL FOR DOING THIS AND FOR CHIEF HOWARD FOR PROVIDING THE INPUT. I VOTED

FOR THE (INAUDIBLE) >> THE I DON'T KNOW.

>> ACTUALLY, I THINK HE'S STILL WORKING ON THE NAME. BUT THE

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>> 9/11. >> IS THERE A CONSENSUS?

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL SEE YOU WILL AGAIN ON THE 7TH.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD JOB, GUYS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS 3C,

[3C. Discuss and receive input regarding updates to the following codes: International Building Code, International Fire Code, International Residential Code, International Mechanical Code, International Plumbing Code, International Fuel Gas Code International Swimming Pool and Spa Code and the International Energy Code. (30 minutes)]

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL DALE JACKSON WILL ATTEMPT TO GO THROUGH THE MYRIAD RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE BUILDING CODES. THIS IS HOMEWORK FOR TODAY AND THERE'LL BE A QUIZ AT THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY.

>> THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CODES THEMSELVES?

>> THE AMENDMENTS ARE LARGER. >> GOOD TO GO?

>> ARE YOU READY? >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND MAYOR, I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE AMENDMENTS.

THESE CODES ARE ALREADY ADOPTED BY THE CITY. UM, CURRENTLY, THOSE CODES ARE UPDATED EVERY THREE YEARS. AND WE HAVE ADOPTED THE 2015 CODE, THERE WAS A 2018 CODE BUT WHEN THAT CODE CAME OUT, WE HAD JUST ADOPTED THE '15 CODE AND WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE A CHANGE THAT QUICKLY AND TURN AROUND AND ADOPT THESE CODES WHEN THEY CAME OUT. COG HAS REVIEWED THESE KEATS AND RECOMMENDING THAT ALL NORTH TEXAS CITIES ADOPT THE 2021 VERSIONS. THIS DOES ALLOW FOR US TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER AREA CITIES AND STAY CURRENT WITH THE CODES THAT WE'RE UNDER SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SUCH A DIFFERENCE WITH CONTRACTORS SO THAT THOSE CODES ARE SO DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED. TO GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY, THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE WE ARE UPDATING THAT IN THE 2015 CODE. THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE IS AN UPDATE OF THE 2015 CODE. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE POOL AND SPA CODE, EXCEPT WE DID UPDATE THE 2018 CODE LAST YEAR, AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A STATE LAW AND WE HAD TO UPDATE THAT SO THAT THERE WASN'T A VIOLATION OF US BEING ABLE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. THE FOURTH CODE IS THE '21 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE GOING FROM THE 2015. AND THE PLUMBING CODE IS ALSO UPDATING FROM THE 2015, THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE IS AN UPDATE FROM THE 2015 AND THE FUEL GAS CODE IS AN UPDATE FROM 2015 AND THE LAST ONE IS THE FIRE CODE. THE REASON WE BRING THESE TOGETHER AS A GROUP IS BECAUSE THESE CODES ARE CLOSELY ENTER

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THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, THAT'S THE COMPANION CODE TO THE IVC OR THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE. THE REASON THAT THIS CODE EXISTS IS SO THAT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING, ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL, PLUMBING, FUEL GAS AND ENERGY ARE CONTAINED IN THIS ONE CODE BOOK. SO, WHERE EVER YOU NOTICE, WHICH DEALS WITH COMMERCIAL BUILDING, IS BETTER THAN THE ONE (INDISCERNIBLE) AND YOU THINK IT WOULD BE OPPOSITE, BUT THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS BECAUSE THE IRC CONTAINS PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL REQUIREMENTS WITHIN IN AS IT WILL. SO, THAT BUILDING CONTRACTORS, AND WHEN I SAY BUILDING CONTRACTORS, I MEAN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONTRACTORS CAN FILE ONE CODE AS OPPOSED TO FILING FIVE DIFFERENT CODES TO COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS.

THE NEXT ONE'S THE SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE, COG DID RECOMMEND WE ADOPT THAT CODE AND IT PROVIDES MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR SWIMMING POOL CONSTRUCTION AND SWIMMING POOL MAINTENANCE. THE INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE, THAT CODE PROVIDES FOR MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR HVAC SYSTEMS AND CONSTRUCTION, VENTILATION OF HAZARDOUS AND COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS, AND COMMERCIALIZATION OF DUCTS. AND THAT ONLY APPLIED TO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND NOT SINGLE FAMILY OR TOWN HOUSE BUILDINGS. THE NEXT CODE IS THE INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE IT OBVIOUSLY DEALS WITH PLUMBING CONSTRUCTION AND PLUMBING IT MATERIALS. AND THE NEXT ONE IS THE ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE. THIS IS A CODE THAT THE STATE DID ADAPT PROBABLY 20 YEARS AGO AND MADE IT A MANDATE FOR THE CITIES TO ADOPT AND ENFORCE. SO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS BUT LIKE MOST CITIES, WE DO REQUIRE IT TO BE VERIFIED BY A THIRD-PARTY INSPECTOR. SO, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT TO DETERMINE. AND, BUT THAT'S THERE'S MORE AND MORE CONCERNS AND EMPHASIS PLACED ON ENERGY CONSERVATION AND THIS CODE PROBABLY CHANGES MORE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PLACED EVERY 3 YEARS ON TRYING TO SAVE ENERGY. THE NEXT ONE IS THE FUEL GAS CODE, THAT DEALS WITH GAS PIPING, AND GAS APPLIANCES, ONCE AGAIN, IT ONLY APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND NOT TO RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF APARTMENTS AND THE FIRE CODES AND OUR FIRE MARSHAL IS HERE TONIGHT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE FIRE CODE. AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO BRING THIS UP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THE COUNCIL IS GOOD WITH THIS THEN WE WOULD PROPOSE TO BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR ADOPTION. IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS REGARDING

THIS? >> IS THE SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE, IS THAT FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL?

>> IT IS. THERE IS NO -- THAT CODE -- BECAUSE SWIMMING POOL

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>> THAT'S WHY I WONDERED WHETHER THAT WAS IN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE TOO AS PART OF THAT. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T GIVE ME A COME PREHENCE PSI AN COMPREHENSIVE EXAMPLE OF THIS. BUT

>> ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES BETWEEN THE 2015 AND THE 2018 CODE WAS THAT FOR BUSINESS OCCUPANCY SUCH AS A LET'S SAY A LAWYER'S OFFICE OR A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING THAT IS SERVICE RELATED, THE OCCUPANT LOAD FOR YEARS WAS ALWAYS 1 PERSON FOR EVERY 100 SQUARE FEET. AND IN 2018 THAT RATIO CHANGED TO 1 PERSON TO EVERY 150 SQUARE FEET. SO, THE OCCUPANCY RATE LOWERED FOR THOSE TYPES OF OCCUPANCIES, BEGINNING IN 2018.

THE OTHER REQUIREMENT, I WOULD HAVE TO THROW OUT WOULD BE THE ENERGY CODE. THE ENERGY CODE IS BECOMES MORE STRINGENT AND STRICT EVERY CODE STICK CYCLE AND THERE'S MORE AND MORE CONCERNS PLACED ON THAT. I KNOW THAT 20 YEARS AGO THE FIRST ENERGY CODE WAS ADOPTED, I WAS ON ONE OF THE COG COMMITTEES AND THERE WAS A HUGE CONCERN THAT LOW E GLASS, IT WAS SUCH A, IT WAS LIKE A UNICORN, NOBODY KNEW WHERE TO FIND IT, AND NOW EVERYTHING IS (INDISCERNIBLE) GLASS, BUT IF YOU COMPARE THE FACTOR WHICH IS THERMAL TRANSMITTANCE WHICH IS .65 OR WAS BACK WHEN THE CODE WAS FIRST ADOPTED AND NOW IT'S LIKE .32 SO IT'S DOUBLED IN EFFICIENCY IN THE SOLAR HEAT, WHICH WAS APPROXIMATELY .4, 20 YEARS AGO IS NOW TO .3. SO

THOSE ARE THE BIG CHANGES. >> LAST QUESTION, I SEE THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE A PATTERN OF ADOPTING THESE CODES THREE YEARS AFTER THEY COME OUT, WE ADOPTED THE 2015 IN 2018 AND THE 2018 IN

2021, IS THERE A REASON? >> YEAH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS IS TO GET MORE CURRENT WITH THE ADOPTIONS AND TO ADOPT THEM SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GO THROUGH APPROXIMATELY EVERY FOUR TO FIVE YEARS IS THE FIRE AND THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS. SO, THE INSURANCE RATES ARE BASED ON ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO OUR RATING IS OUR REUNDER A CURRENT SET OF CODES OR HAVE WE ALLOWED THOSE TO GO

LAPSE AND USE OLDER VERSIONS. >> THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTARY THAT GOES ON AND COG GOES THROUGH THEIR AMENDMENTS TO BE SURE THAT WE ADOPT THOSE AND ALL THE COMMENTARY IN THE AMENDMENTS ARE IN ORDER BEFORE WE COULD ADOPT THEM.

>> THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING, WHETHER THERE WAS A REASON.

THANK YOU. >> BILL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. IN REGARDS TO PROJECTS CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS, WHETHER THAT'S FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FIRST APPLICATION OR NEWLY BUILT, AT WHAT POINT DOES THIS TAKE AFFECT WOULD EVERYTHING CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS AT SOME LEVEL BE GRANDFATHERED

IN? >> YES. WHEN WE BRING THE ORDINANCE FORWARD, WE CREATE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND NORMALLY THAT EFFECTIVE DATE IS USUALLY 30-45 DAYS EVER AFTER THE DAY THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTS IT. SO, WHICH PUBLISH THAT ON OUR WEB PAGE AND NOTICES ARE PERMIT COUNT AND WE START LETTING BUILDERS KNOW ANY PERMIT THAT'S SUBMITTED AFTER THIS EFFECTIVE DATE WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW CODES. IF WE LOOKED AT THE JUNE 21ST, 2022, ADOPTION DATE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST AS AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND ANY PERMITS

SUBMITTED AFTER THAT DATE. >> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

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SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I JUST THINK IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO BUY A HOUSE FROM SEARS AND ROW BUCKS AND BUILD IT YOURSELF.

>> I KNOW THERE'S A WHOLE SET OF CODES FOR A SINGLE FAMILY

USE. >> I AGE WELL.

>> HE'S ACTUALLY 72-YEAR-OLD. >> THAT'S CRAZY.

>> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> INTERESTED IN REVIEW IN >> WE DO AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF IT, I WILL ALSO, I DO HAVE I'LL SEE IF I COULD GET THE LINKS TO EACH ONE OF THESE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE.

>> OKAY. >> I'LL FIND OUT.

>> BECAUSE, SOMETIMES ICC DOESN'T POST THE CURRENT YEAR, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S AVAILABLE, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SELL YOU

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> NOW, THEY ALSO INCORPORATE

SUMMARY CHANGES ON THAT? >> THEY DO.

>> AND ANY CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE IN HERE, I'LL PULL THIS UP, YOU'LL SEE IT AS RED LINE SIDE, AND WHEN YOU SEE THAT BAR, YOU'LL SEE THAT CHANGE. BUT IT ONLY SHOWS THE PREVIOUS YEAR IN THE CHANGES AND WE WENT '15 TO '21 IT'S NOT GOING TO SHOW THAT

HERE. >> HAS THERE BEEN A REVIEW TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE STATE LAW?

>> YES. IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITH THE ENERGY CODE IS THAT THERE IS AN ARM AT TEXAS A & M CALLED ESL, ENERGY SYSTEM THE LABORATORY AND THEY ARE PASSED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO VERIFY THAT ALL ENERGY CODES COMPLY WITH THE STATE CODES. SO, ANYTIME THERE'S A NEW CODE,

THEY CHECK THAT CODE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> ALL RIGHT. WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. LOOKING FORWARD

[4. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

>> ALL RIGHT. SO, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF

THOSE ITEMS? >>

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> (INAUDIBLE)

>> OH, YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. THEN IF THERE'S

-- OKAY. >> SO, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST BY THE DEVELOPER TO POSTPONE 8B. I'VE ASKED AND WANT THEM TO LET YOU KNOW WHY THEY'VE ASKED TO DO THAT. AND REMEMBER YOU CAN HONOR THAT OR NOT, IT DEPENDS ON YOU. BECAUSE IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE CYCLE TO GET TO THIS PROCESS. SO, WOULD YOU MIND LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW WHY

THEY'VE ASKED TO POSTPONE. >> ABSOLUTELY. BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S LEGAL COUNSEL, THEY ARE REQUESTING A POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 19TH TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY, SOME QUESTIONS WERE RAISED AT THE LAST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RELATED TO THEIR TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS IN THE ILLUMINATION AND BASICALLY HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE ADJACENTSY TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THEY WOULD LIKE MORE TIME TO FINALIZE THESE REPORTS THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO COMMISSION. AND THEY'VE HAD PRELIMINARY FINDINGS AND STUDIES BUT I THINK THEY WANT TO REFINE THEM FURTHER AND THAT IS WHY THEY WILL BE REQUESTING TONIGHT A POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 19TH.

>> AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS,

EVEN IF WE DECIDE TO POSTPONE? >> THAT WOULD BE YOUR PREROGATIVE AS A COUNCIL. THERE'S THREE POSSIBLE OPTIONS,

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. >> I STILL RECOMMEND THAT WE CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THE COUNSEL'S CONSIDERING TABLING THE ITEM. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, TAKE TESTIMONY, AND WHEN EVERYONE'S DONE TALKING, CLOSE IT AND WE'LL LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN IT OPENING

UP IN JULY. >> AND WE WILL RENOTIFY THEM.

>> SO, COUNCIL IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH POSTPONING THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THE DISCUSSION DECISION

NOW, TONIGHT? >> I THINK POSTPONING IT.

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>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL POSTPONE >> I DON'T UDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A

SECOND ONE. >> THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE TURNED OUT THIS EVENING DIRECTLY TO ADDRESS

THIS. >> I'M NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T TALK, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR SAY EITHER WAY.

THERE'S A PROCEDURAL THING. I'M NOT SAYING NOT LET THEM SPEAK, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE THEY SPOKE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.

>> AND THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO EFFECTIVELY TABLE THE ITEM UNTIL

THE JULY MEETING. >> JULY 19TH.

>> IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC. >> OKAY. AND THAT HAS TO BE

DONE VIA A MOTION ON THE TABLE? >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> YES.

>> BEFORE BREAK, JUST TO REMIND Y'ALL MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION STAY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. NO PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PER COUNSEL.

>> INTERESTING TOPIC. >> WELL, I FORGOT TO SAY IT DURING THE

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