Jun 21, 2022 City Council Work Session

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> ALL RIGHT, IT'S TUESDAY JUNE 21ST SHGS AT 5:15 P.M. WE'RE IN CITY HALL, AS AUTHORIZED BY AUTHORIZED BY THE SECTION 555.01 THIS MEETING CAN BE IN CLOSED SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF SEEKING ATTORNEY ADVICE. THE CITY OF ROWLETT HAS RIGHT TO RECONVENE OR CALL EXECUTIVE SESSION TO ORDER OF BUSINESS AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO ADJOURNMENT. INFORMATION ON PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE MEETING CAN BE FOUND ON THE POSTED ACTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT CITY HALL. WE

[3A. Presentation by the Arts & Humanities Commission to City Council. ]

SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> DEBORAH, I KNOW YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

>> ME, GIVE UP AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: ALL RIGHT,

GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, PLEASURE TO BE HERE, I'M DEBORAH AND I SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES IN ROWLETT. WITH ME IS IS CATHERINE CRENSHAW WHO IS A REGULAR MEMBER. JUST TO GO OVER A BIT ABOUT THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES WE'RE A CITY POINTED BOARD MADE UP OF, LET'S SEE, FOUR REGULAR MEMBERS AND FOUR ALTERNATE MEMBERS AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE RESIGN. REGULAR MEMBER, MYSELF, DEBORAH, CROSBY, JR IS ANOTHER REGULAR MEMBER, AND NESTLE FUDGE. DAVID OLMSTED AND PATRICIA SWAG ARTY. AND WE HAVE VACANCIES IN OUR MEMBERSHIP. WE HAD ONE PERSON ELECTED TO COB AND ONE MOVE OUT OF THE CITY SO THAT'S LEFTS A HOLE. ANOTHER HOLE THAT WE HAVE IS MUCH BIGGER THAN JUST SOMEBODY LEAVING FOR ANOTHER CITY, WE'RE SAD TO ANNOUNCE THAT GARY ALEXANDER WHO WAS A MEMBER OF THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES COMMISSION, SINCE OPT OF 2014 PASSED AWAY. HE, UM, WAS THE VICE CHAIR FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022. GARY WAS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE ROWLETT (INDISCERNIBLE) COMPETITION AND REALLY MADE SURE IS THAT WE GOT IT STARTED AGAIN THIS YEAR, POST-COVID AND FISCAL '22 HE WAS ON THE STANDING COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR THE ARTS AND EDUCATIONS GRANTS AND THE CULTURAL GRANTS.

AND IF YOU HAVE EVER MET HIM OR TALKED WITH HIM, YOU WOULD KNOW HE WAS JUST AN ALL AROUND GREAT GUY AND WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMISSION AND WE'RE REALLY GOING TO MISS HIM.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU COULD SEE JUST WHERE GARY FILLED HOLES IN OUR COMMUNITIES. HE WAS, AGAIN, STANDING CHAIR FOR THE CULTURE ARTS GRANT AND ARTS AND EDUCATION GRANT AS WELL AS ROWLETT SINGS, JR IS THE WRITING CONTEST CHAIR, NESTLE FUDGE TAKEN ON THE CONTEST AND TERESA IS OUR PUBLICITY CHAIR. WE DID ACTUALLY ELECT JR TO TAKE THAT OVER AND WE ELECTED HIM LAST WEEK. SO, THAT'S OUR STANDING COMMITTEE CHAIRS.

>> SO, WE'VE BEEN REALLY BUSY IN THE PAST YEAR, WE HAD THE CULTURAL ART'S GRANT, THE COMMISSION AWARDED $2,500 TO GROUPS REPRESENTING MUSICIANS AND ARTISTS. ARTISTS AROUND TEXAS WAS AWARDED ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS, ROWLETT HIGH SCHOOL EAGER BOOSTER CLUB WAS AWARDED $1,500. FOR THE ARTS AND EDUCATION GRANTS, THE COMMISSION AWARDED $1,000 TO ROWLETT SCHOOLS, ELEMENTARY'S ART DEPARTMENT RECEIVED $500 AND ROWLETT HIGH SCHOOL'S ART DEPARTMENT RECEIVED $500 AS WELL. AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, IN OUR YOUNG ARTISTS EXHIBIT, HE WAS OPEN TO PUBLIC, PRIVATE AND HOME SCHOOLED STUDENTS GRATES K-12 AND THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN TWO-DIMENSIONAL AND THREE-DIMENSIONAL ART. THIS

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YEAR WE HAD CASH AND PRIZES AND AWARDING TOTALLING $750. >>> THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES COMMISSION'S WRITING CONTEST HAS CATEGORIES FOR ADULTS AND YOUTH IN THE 1ST, THROUGH 12TH GRADES WITH AN INTEREST IN WRITING, THE CATEGORIES ARE POETVY TERRE I, SHORT STORIES AND SHORT WORKS.

AND THE PAST YEAR, THE THEME WAS "FAMILY IS". WE RECEIVED 31 ENTRY, 23 YOUTH AND 8 ADULT, $600 IN CASH PRIZES WERE AWARDED ALONG WITH MEALS AT WHAT A BURGER AND RAISING CANES

CHICKEN. >> ROWLETT SINGS IS A CONTEST OPEN FOR ALL ROWLETT RESIDENTS WITH CATEGORIES IN YOUTH, YOUTH GROUP, YOUTH SOLO, ADULT SOLO AND SENIOR SOLO. THIS YEAR WE HAD NINE ENTRIES. (INDISCERNIBLE) WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THIS UP AND RUNNING AFTER THE COVID BREAK, TWO YEARS, SO IT WAS A REAL ACHIEVEMENT TO RESURRECT IT FROM THE DEAD WE FELT LIKE. SO, THIS YEAR, TROPHIES WERE AWARDED IN FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD PLACE ALONG

WITH THE BEST IN SHOW. >> SO, ONE OF OUR CONTESTS HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES COMMISSION'S PHOTOGRAPHY CONTEST OPEN TO PROFESSIONALS, ARMATURES AND PEOPLE OF ALL AGES IN THE LAKE RAY HUBBARD AREA, THE THEME IS LIVE, WORK AND PLAY ROWLETT.

THE CATEGORIES ARE PEOPLE, PLACES AND THINGS, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR, WE HAVE A CATEGORY FOR PICTURES TAKEN BY PHONES. CONTEST ENTRIES ARE DUE AUGUST 19TH-20TH, AT ROWLETT PUBLIC LIBRARY, CRASH PRIZES OF $150 ARE OFFERED AND LAST YEAR WE HAD 20 ENTRIES FOR THIS

CONTEST. >> FOR THE 2021 CALENDAR, THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES PUBLISHED A CALENDAR TEATURING THE AWARD WINNING CONTEST ENTRIES, THE COST WAS $299,000. AND, THE GRANTS IN CONTEST WAS PUBLICIZED THROUGH LOCAL MEDIA LIKE THE ROWLETT LAKESHORE TIME AND CITY

OUTLETS LIKE FRIDAY AT 5:00. >> SO, SINCE, FISCAL YEAR 2016, COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED BUDGET SUPPORT FOR A PUBLIC ART'S PROGRAM. THE COMMISSION'S CURRENT PUBLIC ART PROJECT IS FOR SCULPTURE AT FIRE STATION NUMBER 2, AND THE AHC PUBLISHED A CALL TO ARTISTS, WITH 41 RESPONDING. A SELECTION PANEL NARROWED THAT LIST TO THREE, AND, AFTER THOSE THREE FINAL ARTISTS PRESENTED THEIR DESIGNS AND BUDGETS, THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THE DESIGN SUBMITTED BY LOCAL ARTIST JOHN MILLET, THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE ARTIST AND THE ESTIMATED DATE OF COMPLETION IS DECEMBER 2022. AND, UM, ALONG THOSE LINES, ALSO, THE COUNCIL REQUESTED OPTIONS AT THE LAST WORK SESSION FOR THE MURAL ON HIGHWAY 66.

AND THE COMMISSION EXPLORED COSTS FOR THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, FOR THE WALL 1814 FEET

LONG AND 12 FEET HIGH. >> A NEW MURAL PAINTED OVER THE EXISTING DESIGN WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 146,520. THE COST OF REPAINTING HALF OF THE WALL. AT $73,260, AND THEY DID TOUCH UPS OF THE MURAL AND THAT WOULD BE $10 PER SQUARE FOOT AT 48,840, WHEN THE AHC PRESENTED THE DESIGN OPTIONS THEY INDICATED IF ANY MODIFICATIONS WOULD BE TO PAINT THE ENTIRE WALL. COUNCIL IS SEEKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEXT STEP, SHOULD COMMISSION PROCEED WITH THE OPTIONS OR DIFFERENT OPTIONS SUCH AS SOME KIND OF ART IN FRONT OF THE MURAL.

>>> IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THE COMMISSION HOSTED A BOOTH AT THE CITY OF ROWLETT'S DIVERSITY 2021 EVENT, WITH WHO CANVASS THAT THE CITY PAINTED. THE AHC HOSTED A BOOTH AT KEEP ROWLETT BEAUTIFUL EARTH DAY EVENT AND IN 2022 DECORATED A TREE IN THE CITY'S GREEN SPACE. FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE COMMISSION HOSTED A PAINTING ON THE GREEN EVENT ON MAY 7TH WITH 9 PARTICIPANTS AND WE HAVE PLANS TO HOST THIS EVENT MORE IN THE FUTURE. OTHER FUTURE PROJECTS,

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>> AND, THE ART ARTS AND HUMANITIES HAS AN OPERATING BUDGET FOR PRONGS AND A PUBLIC ART'S BUMTH WHICH ROLLS OVER YEAR TO YEAR. THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 OPERATING BUDGET WAS $13,600 AND UTILIZED FOR JUDGE'S FEES, CONTEST PRIZE SE AND SUPPLIES. THE AHC IS REQUESTING AN INCREASE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET TO $15,000 AND THE INCREASE IS REQUESTED BECAUSE THE RECIPIENTS OF THE CULTURAL ART'S GRANT ART HE IS AND EDUCATION GRANT, HAS A GREATER BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED IN COST IN EVERYTHING. THE PAST YEARS, THE COMMISSION RENTED A FACILITY, THE MAINTHE MAIN STRE EVENT CENTER, AND IT WAS A BETTER EXPERIENCE, BETTER SOUND QUALITY, EASIER TO KIND OF GET THE CONTESTANTS TO AND FROM THE STAGE. SO, WE JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS A REALLY GOOD. THE AHC WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS TO LOCAL STUDENTS

SO WE ARE REQUESTING MORE FUNDS. >> THE COMMISSION'S FISCAL YEAR 2021 PUBLIC ART'S BUDGET IS $10,000 FOR MAINTENANCE, $40,000 FOR PUBLIC ART. THE COMMISSION'S REQUEST FOR PUBLIC ART FOUR FISCAL YEAR 2023 IS $10,000 FOR MAINTENANCE, $50,000 FOR PUBLIC ART. THE CITY IS HANDLING PUBLIC ART MAINTENANCE AND IS IN THE PROCESS OF MAINTAINING THE CITY'S PUBLIC ART AND PROVIDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONTINUED CARE OF THE PUBLIC ART. IN THE FUTURE, THE PUBLIC ART MAINTENANCE WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE LIBRARY'S BUDGET.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THANK YOU, VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL KIND OF SHOCKED BY THE LOSS OF GARY, SO, THERE ARE NO OTHER WORDS TO SAY ABOUT THAT. SO, BUT, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND GLAD TOSS THE BUDGET WILL CONTINUE FOR THE ART MAINTENANCE, I KNOW THAT'S

BEEN AN ISSUE RECENTLY. >> AND THAT IS, I DID HAVE A QUESTION, LAST YEAR, AND, A LOT OF YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST YEAR, BUT FOR THE ONES THAT WERE, WHEN IT WAS ASKED FOR THE CITY TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE, WHAT WAS THE EXPECTATIONS IN THAT, WAS IT THAT THE CITY WOULD HIRE ANOTHER FIRM FOR THAT? THAT CITY STAFF WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT? THAT CITY STAFF WOULD HAVE

VOLUNTEERS TAKE CARE OF THAT? >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WERE

GOING TO HIRE -- >> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> I THINK IN THE COMMENT, THE CITY WILL TAKE OVER, WAS MORE ABOUT THE CITY TAKING OVER THE

MANAGEMENT OF THE MAINTENANCE, WHATEVER THAT LOOKED LIKE. >> OKAY.

>> BECAUSE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S NOT HAPPENING THIS SECOND, IS IT'S ALL ON ME, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE, GOING THROUGH DO WE HIRE A METAL FIRM, A CONSERVATION FIRM, THEN EXPLORING WHAT OTHER CITIES DO AND STUFF, SOME CITIES HAVE ENOUGH STAFF THAT THEIR STAFF CAN BE TRAINED DO THAT, AND THEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPIRIT OF ROWLETT WHICH HAS A LOT OF FLAKING PAINT. LAST YEAR WE SPENT $7,000 TO GET IT REPAINTED, AND AS YOU COULD SEE, THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE REACHED OUT TO THE SAME GROUP THIS DID THAT, AND THEY HAD KIND OF A STOP-GAP MEASURE FOR $1,000, WITH BRUSHES, BUT SAID IT WOULD CONTINUE TO FLAKE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMEONE TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN DO TO NOT BE CHASING FLAKING PAINT AROUND THIS, BUT WHAT WE NEED DO TO GET A GOOD RESOLUTION GET IT TO WHERE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TOUCHED UP EVERY YEAR, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO THROW MONEY

INTO PAINTING HERE AND THERE EVERY YEAR. >> I MEAN, JUST TAKING IT BACK DOWN AND PUTTING A WHOLE NEW COAT ON IT, DIDN'T THEY USE CAR PAINT BEFORE?

>> SO THATMY OR MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPLICATION. >> AND SO, YEAH, I NOW SEE WHY

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A LOT OF PUBLIC ART HAS THE RAW, RUSTED LOOK. >>.

[LAUGHTER] . >> IT MAKE IT IS.

>> IT'S CALLED A PATINA. >> >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: FOR THE MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GET A NICE (INDISCERNIBLE) ON A PIECE OF ART, AND THAT SOMETIMES MAY BE GOOD FOR A WHOLE YEAR. IF YOU DO THAT ONCE A YEAR, THAT,

HYPOTHETICALLY SHOULD. >> I THINK THAT NICK PIECES IS PART OF HIS MAINTENANCE PLAN IS THE LAXING, I DON'T KNOW THAT ON THE SPIRIT OF ROWLETT, YOU KNOW WHAT THE MAINTENANCE IS.

BECAUSE IT WAS DONE BY AN ARMATURE AS OPPOSED TO A PROFESSIONAL. SO, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CHALLENGE, LET'S NOT DO A STOP-GAP BUT LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED AND THEN DO IT RIGHT. SO, SHE'S GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, SO THAT WE DO HOPEFULLY FIX IT ONE TIE AS OPPOSED TO KEEP HAVING TO PUT LITTLE PIECES TOGETHER.

WE NEED A PLAN ON HOW TO GET IT THERE AND MAINTAIN IT AND OUR STAFF WITH HELP WITH THAT

MAINTENANCE PLAN. >> THANK YOU. >> WE REALLY NEED DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE NEW PIECES, THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING SPARKLING, ONE OF IT'S NAMED

SPARKLE AND IT NO LONGER SPARKLES. SO... >> WE WILL GET IT SPARKLING

AGAIN. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: DO YOU WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS?

>> (INDISCERNIBLE) >> I WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT I WAS OVER THERE IN (INDISCERNIBLE) AND I LISTEN TO PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY COME UP AND TALK TO ME, THEY REALLY APPRECIATE THE ROWLETT'S (INDISCERNIBLE) I MEAN, THEY WERE JUST LIKE, I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE THIS OR (INDISCERNIBLE) BECAUSE I WAS

THERE THE WHOLE TIME. SO, GOOD THING, JEFF DID A GOOD THING. >> IT WELL WAS ALL GARY. IT

WAS ALL GARY. >> I MEAN, IT WAS GOOD. (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> . [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WASN'T REAL.

>> IT WAS A LITTLE INFLATABLE GUITAR? >> NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK TO DO IT RIGHT FOR GARY.

>> WHAT'S FUN ABOUT ROWLETT SINGS IS THAT WE FOUND SO MUCH TALENT IN THE COMMUNITY.

IRMEAN, DERRICK CULPEPER HAS HOSTED SEVERAL EVENTS AND I THINK HE'S HOSTING FOURTH OF JULY. AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO PERFORMED OR WON THIS YEAR PERFORMED AT OUR MEMORIAL DAY EVENT. THE PEOPLE THAT WE FIND TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERFORM IS A LOT OF FUN.

>> YOU MENTIONED RENTING THE MAIN EVENTS FACILITY, WHERE WAS IT HELD BEFORE?

>> THE RCC. >> OKAY, YES, I COULD SEE NOW THAT THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM

ACOUSTICALLY SPEAKING. >> AND WE LOOKED AT HAVING IT AT ONE OF THE SCHOOLS BUT IT WAS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE AND FOR THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR TO HAVE THAT REVERSAL DAY, THE DAY BEFORE TO GET A CHANCE TO GET OUT THERE A DAY BEFORE, TO RENT THE AUDITORIUM AT THE HIGH SCHOOL FOR TWO DAYS WAS ASTONISHINGLY EXPENSIVE. FORTLY WE HAVE GOOD CONTACTS ON THE

WHAT IS NOW CHURCH. >> ON THE PHOTO CONTEST, YOU SAID, YOU NOW HAVE THE PHONE

PHOTOS, HOW WILL YOU VERIFY THOSE WERE TAKEN WITH A PHONE? >> IT IS, WELL, I'M ACTUALLY IT'S NOT LAST YEAR WE ACTUALLY HAD WIGGER ENTRIES, THAT ONE OF THE KIDS PUT THEIR PHONES AND STUFF. SO, SOME PEOPLE WILL TAKE THE BIG PHOTOS WITH THE PHONE, BUT THE PHONE IS MORE KIND OF THE KICK, SNAP, AND EVERYTHING. AND WE'RE ASKING THAT THOSE BE A SMALLER RESOLUTION SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE KIND OF YOUR LOWER GRADE PHONE BEING BLOWN UP AS SIGNIFICANT AS THE OTHER ONES. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IF YOU TOOK A PICTURE WITH YOUR PHONE YOU COULD ONLY ENTER IT IN THE PHONE CATEGORY, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE DON'T FEEL LIKE THE PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHY PHOTOGRAPHERS, THEY WOULD KNOW IF IT'S A

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PROFESSIONAL PHOTO INTO THE CATEGORY. >> WE SAMPLED IT TO A LOWER

RESOLUTION. >> MENTAL NOTE, DEB SHINDER ENTERS THE CONVERSATION.

>> (INDISCERNIBLE) >> IT WAS JUST CURIOSITY. YES.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN HONOR SYSTEM. >> OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

>> OKAY. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, UM, SO, FORTUNATELY, WE'RE GETTING THAT SCULPTURE AT FIRE STATION 2, THAT'S EXCITING, SO, WE'VE GOT PRETTY MUCH SCULPTURES IN EVERY

FIRE STATION. >> RIGHT. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT TRANSIIONING THE FOCUS FROM SCULPTURES TO MURAL WORK?

>> WE'VE HAD A MURAL ON OUR MIND FOR A LONG TIME. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: WELL, I KNOW

THAT MURAL. >> BUT SURFACE AREA IS THE DIFFICULTY IN THAT SITUATION.

BUT, OTHER LOCATIONS, YEAH. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, I THINK PUBLIC ART RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON STATION 2 AND GETTING THAT PROCESS, IT WAS A LONG, DRAWN OUT FROM THE CALL TO ARTIST POSITIVITY TO THE SELECTION PROCESS TOOK ABOUT NINE MONTHS. IT TOOK A BIG

CHUNK OF THIS PAST YEAR. >> AND THEN, WITH A MURAL, IT WOULD BE WHAT LOCATION WOULD WE CHOOSE. AND SO, WE WOULD HAVE TO, I THINK, IDEALLY, IT WOULD BE A CITY LOCATION, BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO OWN IT, OTHERWISE, WOULD WE HAVE THE CONTROL OVER IT IF IT WAS ON A PRIVATE

BUILDING? >> YOU KNOW, I THINK... >> WHAT ABOUT THE IT CITY

BUILDINGS? >> WHAT? >> I WOULD SAY WITH THE CITY BUILDINGS MOVING, POSSIBLY, IT WOULD BE MOVING OUT OF GRAPEVINE.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: WELL, MANY DOWNTOWNS ARE DOING A LOT OF MURAL WORK. SO, I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLE PROGRAMS TO LOOK AT FROM OTHER CITIES, I KNOW THAT GARLAND'S ONE OF THEM THEY BROUGHT ARTISTS TOGETHER TO PUT UP SOME MURAL WORK IN THEIR DOWNTOWN. IT'S PRETTY NICE.

THEY'VE REALLY MADE A REALLY BLAND SPOT INTO SOMETHING REALLY UNIQUE AND SPECIAL.

>> ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS MEMBERS WORKS FOR THE CITY OF ROWLETT AND SHE HAD THEY GRAFT IT HAD ALL OUT AND EVERYBODY HAD A SECTION AND GAVE YOU A SECTION WHERE THE PAINT WAS NEEDED.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, PROBABLY REACHING OUT TO OTHER CITIES AND SEE HOW THEY DO THAT PROGRAM, MAY BE THEY HAVE SOME AGREEMENT, MOU WITH THE BUSINESS TO MAINTAIN AND INSTALL A MURAL, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF WALL OPPORTUNITIES AND BUSINESSES HERE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS A GROUP, YOU KNOW, I REALIZE IT'S BEEN BUSY WITH THE SCULPTURE WORK, MAY BE, YOU KNOW, MOVING INTO NEXT YEAR, MAY BE THE FOCUS IS TO FIND A SPOT TO DO A MURAL. THE FIRST ONE IN

DOWNTOWN. >> (INDISCERNIBLE).

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: I THINK IT WAS FATE. (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> YOU COULD MAKE SOMETHING JUST REALLY BLAND INTO SOMETHING REALLY COOL AND BRINGS PEOPLE KIND OF MARKETS THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THAT WAS MY ONLY THOUGHTS, THANK YOU FOR

EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. >> CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE MURAL WALL AT 66, THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED, AND I'M THINKING IF WE REPAINT THE ENTIRE WALL, YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY TALKING ABOUT THREE YEARS WORTH OF CAPITAL FUNDING FOR THE ART PROJECT, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUESTING 50 FOR THIS COMING YEAR, THERE WAS 50 FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND $150,000 CAN GET IT DONE IN THREE YEARS, BUT THAT WOULD GOBBLE UP ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT IS WE WOULD HAVE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS, SO....

>> I REALLY THINK THAT'S MORE OF A BUDGET DISCUSSION, ONE OF OUR UPCOMING BUDGET CONVERSATIONS WILL BE TO HAVE ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND NON-PROFITS THAT PRESENT BUDGET QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS THAT WE WOULD CAN ARE THOSE ALL AT ONE TIME. SO, UM, I JUST BRING THAT UP AS A POINT, UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: WELL, I WAS THINKING THAT MIGHT BE A PERFECT SPOT TO DISCUSS IT, BECAUSE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE ART'S BUDGET IN THAT MEETING, AND THAT COULD BE WHERE, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO ADD MORE MONEY TO THEIR BUDGET, TO ALLOW THEM TO DO MORE THINGS THAN JUST A THREE-YEAR

MURAL, THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE COULD HAVE AT THAT POINT. >> I GUESS, THE OTHER THING IS

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OBJECTIONS TO THAT? >> IT'S GOOD TO HAVE IT ON MIND.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: YES, IT IS. >> BE GLAD TO SCHEDULE A CONVERSATION TOO, IF WE WANT TO

MOVE EARLIER THAN THE DISCUSSION. >> WE DID HAVE SOMETHING COME IN DURING CALL TO ARTISTS WHICH WAS A LASER CUT WHICH WAS REPLICATED ON THAT BUILDING AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WE THOUGHT MAY BE A SOLUTION FOR THE 66 MURAL, IT WOULD BE A LOT OF METAL, WOULD, BUT YOU COULD PAINT THE WALL A SOLID COLOR, WHITE, BLACK, GRAY, HOWEVER YOU

WANT TO DO IT. >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA. >> THOSE ARE POWER COATED, AND WE ALREADY KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE. SO, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT CAME UP THROUGH THE CALL TO ARTISTS, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SHOW YOU ALL AND SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT AS AN OPTION. I THINK THAT'S UNIQUE, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE THAT.

>> AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU COULD DO A MILLION AND ONE IMAGES, YOU JUST NEED TO HAVE A COOL DESIGN, AND THAT COULD BE A CALL TO ARTISTS,

ITSELF. COME UP WITH A DESIGN. >> AND IT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THE CHURCH WITH THE

GREAT MURALS. >> EXACTLY. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE, NOT THAT WE'VE HAD LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE.

>> AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE METAL ACROSS THE LENGTH OF IT, YOU COULD HAVE A START ONE A MIDDLE ONE AND MAY BE FOUR, DEPENDING ON THE BUDGET ALLOWANCE.

>> WE COULD HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR REACH OUT TO TXDOT AND SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THAT AREA WHITE HOUSE WE HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS WITH THEM

BASED ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE

BEFORE GOING FURTHER INTO THAT. >> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> WE'LL HAVE YOUR SIGN MANUFACTURING TOOL MAKE THOSE? >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: WELL, I

THINK IT'S A REALLY NICE PROJECT IDEA. >> AND IT LOOKS REALLY COOL COLORED BLACK, AND IT'S A REALLY COOL COLOR VERSION, THERE'S A LOT OF VERSATILITY THERE.

[3B. Discuss the City’s current truck route ordinance.]

>> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: ALL RIGHT. SO, OUR NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSS THE CITY'S, ITEM 3-B, DISCUSS THE CITY'S CURRENT TRUCK ROUTE ORDINANCE. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD ON

THIS. IS THAT RIGHT? >> NO. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: NO?

>> YOU GET TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL. >> NOEL, CAN YOU STAND UP, PLEASE.

>> IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK UP SO THAT THE MICROPHONE CAN CATCH YOU AND STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS AND CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> I'M NOEL WARDROBE, I LIVE AT 3418 MALLET PARK IN ROWLETT, TEXAS. MANY OF YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN KNOW WHO I AM I'VE SERVED ON MULTIPLE BOARDS IN THE CITY AND LIVED HERE OVER 30 YEARS. AND THE CITY, AND THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME, I BELIEVE IN THIS CITY, SINCERELY, I WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE TRAFFIC. IT'S CERTAINLY GETTING MORE AND MORE DANGEROUS. AND, UM, I HAVE TALKED WITH CHIEF WILLARD IN THE PAST AND HE'S GIVEN ME A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S VALID, AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU KNOW THIS INFORMATION, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T, THAT, IN FEBRUARY 15TH, 2010, THE CITY COUNCIL, FOR WHAT REASON, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I'LL KNOW THE HISTORY WHEN YOU LOOK IT UP. CREATED A PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC, AND THAT WAS ENTITLING TRUCKS AND SO ONND SO FORTH AND BEFORE THEN, WE HAD STOPPED. NO 18-WHEELERS, NOTHING COULD COME THROUGH OUR

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AREA. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: WE'RE GOING PAST THREE MINUTES. SO, IF YOU

CAN, WRAP IT UP JUST A BIT. >> WELL, I'M SORRY, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE'S 35 RESIDENTIAL STREETS BETWEEN THE POLICE STATION AND THE SOUTH WHEN YOU START OUT TO GET TO GARLAND. AND ALL OF THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS WILL HAVE ONTO ROWLETT ROAD. I'LL WRAP IT UP WITH THIS, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SAID, BUT THREE MINUTES IS THREE MINUTES, BUT I DO WANT TO LEAVE THIS WITH YOU, AND HE'S SITTING RIGHT HERE BESIDE ME. AN 18-WHEELER COMING THROUGH ROWLETT, AND HIS MANIFEST DOESN'T SAY HAYS DELIVERY IS IN ROWLETT, SO, HE'S JUST USING US, USING OUR STREETS, AS THE HYPOTHESIS WHEN I SAY THIS, OF OUR RESIDENTS BENG PUT IN HARM'S WAY. BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO PULL UP TO ROWLETT ROAD TO GET TO AND FROM WORK OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THERE'S OVER 700 HOMES TWO CARS TO A HOME. AND I'LL SAY THIS, ONCE AGAIN, HE'S RIGHT THERE, YOU TAKE AN 18-WHEELER COMING THROUGH ROWLETT, A DUMP TRUCK, 18-WHEELER, WITH THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT UP TO WHAT THEY CAN CARRY AND LESS THAN 80,000 POUNDS, WHEN THAT VEHICLE IS ABIDING THE SPEED LIMIT, AT 40 MILES PER HOUR, AND HE HAS TO STOP AT 40 MILES PER HOUR, HE'S TRAVELED TWO THIRDS OF A FOOTBALL FIELD TO STOP. SO, WHEN SOMEONE PULSE OUT FROM

SOMEONE LIKE THAT, IT COULD BE UNBELIEVABLE. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THANK YOU,

VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENT CARDS FOR THIS?

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: ALL RIGHT. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION

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AS I MAPPIENTIONED THESE ROUTESE NOT BEEN REVIEWED AND CONSIDERATION COULD BE GIVEN TO REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: LOOKING OR ASSESSING THE CURRENT BUILD ENVIRONMENT, UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR PROJECTED VOLUME IS IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN, WHAT IS THE EFFICACY OF THE MILLER ROAD CONNECTION BETWEEN ROWLETT ROAD AND PGBT OR DELIBERATE UP.

TYPICALLY, TRUCK ROUTE TRAFFIC IS LIMITED TO MAJOR ARTERIALS, TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON OUR SPEED INFRASTRUCTURE, AND, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT I THOUGHT PERTINENT TO INCLUDE IN OUR DISCUSSION IT TONIGHT WAS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD WE CONSIDER IF AT ALL, TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF INCREASED TRUCK TRAFFIC IN OUR CITY. ONE IS TO ASSESS THE VIABILITY OF MILLER ROAD. THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS UP MILLER ROAD, STEVENS ELEMENTARY, AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, LARGE TRUCKS CAN'T NAVIGATE TO EASTBOUND MILLER ROAD WITHOUT A IMMEDIATE YAM. AND MILLER ROAD DOES NOT ADD VALUE AS A THROUGH ROUTE BECAUSE ONE IS JUST A SECTION OTHER THAN AVOIDING THE ROADS OF PGBT. ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REVIEW OR ASSESS THE VIABILITY OF ROWLETT ROAD. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT ALL SIGNAGE IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR ROUTES OO TO SPEAK AND MAINTENANCE IMPACTS

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>> SOME MOBILIZE AGREEMENT ALL DEPENDING ON HOW THE COMMUNITY LOOKS AT EVERYTHING. SO, REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM TONIGHT IS TO PRESENT OUR CURRENT TRUCK ROUTE AND HIGHLIGHT THE POSSIBILITIES AND REALLY, THE CITY HAS TWO OPTIONS ONE IS TO LEAVE THE ORDINANCE AS OR TO RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE. AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO QUESTIONS,

I'LL TRY MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF MILLER, ARE WE ACTIVELY ENFORCING THE NO-TRUCK ORDINANCE, HAVE THERE

BEEN ISSUES WITH ENFORCING IT? >> SO, THE PREVIOUSLY USE OF COURT JUDGE FELT THAT THE SIGNAGE THAT WE HAD OUT WAS INCREDIBLE (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> IN THE VIOLATION, I'VE NOT REVIEWED THAT YET WITH JUDGE TO SEE IF OUR SIGNAGE IS CONSISTENT

WITH THE ORDINANCE SO THAT (INDISCERNIBLE). >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. I GUESS, STAFF CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. AND, SO,

WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THE JUDGE KILGORE BELIEVES THAT LEGAL TO. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) COMPARE THAT TO THE ORDINANCE AND THEN, SEE HOW THEY DO...

>> I'M STILL -- >> KEEP IN MIND, IT DOESN'T PREVENT ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN OFFICER WHO ENFORCES HEAVY DUTIES, VERY AGGRESSIVELY, AND ONE THING THAT YOU NEED FOR THE CBD ENFORCEMENT IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED ANY TYPE OF PROBABLE CAUSE, JUST BY THE VIRTUE OF THE VEHICLE TRAVELING, YOU COULD STOP IT. HE WRITES TICKETS FOR THE ORDINANCE, AND SO WHILE HE MAY NOT BE WRITING THAT TICKET, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HEFTY TICKETS AND THOSE TICKETS ARE

EXPENSIVE. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: IS THIS AN ORDINANCE THAT ANY PATROL

OFFICERS COULD ENFORCE IF IT CAN BE ENFORCED? >> YES. BECAUSE TYPICALLY, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THEY CAN MAKE THE LOOK TO VERIFY WETHER OR NOT THE TRUCK IS MAKING A LOCAL DELIVERY, IF THEIR MANIFEST SHOWS THEY'RE NOT, THEN, YOU COULD JUST...

>> OKAY. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: YES, PLEASE.

>> SO, WE HAVE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE LARGE TRUCKS, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THEM?

>> BECAUSE, THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THEIR FACILITY. >> THE TRUCK ROUTES ARE DESIGNATED SOLELY FOR PASS-THRU TRAFFIC. THEY COULD USE ANY STREET NOT SPECIFICALLY

DESIGNATED AS NO-TRUCKS. >> NOT, QUITE. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT, AND, IT SAYS THAT THE OPERATOR HAS TO HAVE A TICKET AND BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE USING THE SHORT, WELL, FROM A DESIGNATED TRUCK ROUTE TO A DESIGNATED DELIVERY, THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN THE

ROUTE AND THE DELIVERY, SO, THEY CAN'T USE ANY ROAD. >> AND THIS CHANGES THE EFFECTS

IN 2003 AS TO THE CHANGES MADE. (INDISCERNIBLE) >> THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, PRIOR TO 2003, TRUCKS WERE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE IN ROWLETT, SPECIFICALLY IN BUT YOU HAD TO HAVE SIGNAGE FOR THAT. IN 2003, CITY COUNCIL DECIDED SO FLIP THAT COIN AND DESIGNATE SPECIFIC ROUTES, LIKE, LAKE VIEW PARKWAY AND ROWLETT ROAD DIDN'T EXIST AT THAT TIME. AND IT ALLOWED FOR THE DESIGNATION FOR NO TRUCKS IN THE STREETS, SIGNAGE AND IT WAS MODIFIED AGAIN IN 2010 AND AGAIN IN 2011, THE DEFENSE CLAUSE WAS ADDED IN 2010. AND IN 2011, IT WAS A TEMPORARY DESIGNATION OF DALROCK ROAD, WHILE THE NORTHERN PART, BETWEEN MILLER AND 66 WAS BEING WORKED ON. AND ALL OF

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>> SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE RECORDS? >> SO, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AS TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE SCHOOLS AND A CHURCH ON THE MILLER ROAD SECTION AND THERE'S A CHURCH AND A SCHOOL ON THE NORTH END OF ROWLETT ROAD BETWEEN CASTLE AND PA, AND THERE'S A CHURCH ON THE SOUTH END BETWEEN MILLER AND LAKE, AND THERE'S A DAYCARE AS WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC, ROWLETT ROAD, PRETTY MUCH EXCEPT FOR THE AREA BETWEEN BIG A AND MAIN STREET, IS A RESIDENTIAL THO THOROUGH FARE, IT HAS 34 RESIDENTIAL STREETS SOUTH OF MIN AND STREETS NORTH OF MAIN.

THOROUGHFARE. THERE ARE ALSO, UM, MANY HOUSES ON THE BOTH SIDES, ACTUALLY, THAT WERE BUILT PRIOR TO THE SCREENING LAW REQUIREMENTS, ON THE SOUTH SIDE WE HAVE 20 HOUSES WITHOUT THE SCREENING LAW ON THE STREET, AND WE HAVE 88 HOUSES ON THE SCREENING WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE AND NOW THOSE DON'T ALL FACE ROWLETT ROAD, SOME ARE SIDE FACING AND SOME ARE BACK FACING, BUT ALL THAT STANDS BETWEEN THEM AND AN 8,000 POINT TRUCK IS A WOODEN FENCE. AND I DON'T THINK ON THE WALL THE HOUSES DID NOT COUNT. INTERESTINGLY, I HAPPENED TO BE OUT AND ABOUT YESTERDAY AND I STOPPED AT THE CORNER OF MILLER AND 66 AND ROWLETT ROAD FOR A HALF HOUR ANT AND DID A COUNT OF TRUCKS, AND THAT WAS BETWEEN 1:46 P.M. AND 2:16 P.M. YESTERDAY, IN THAT TIME, I OBSERVED 10, 18-WHEELERS, AND TWO BOX TRUCKS GOING SOUTH ON ROWLETT ROAD AND I OBSERVED 11, 18-WHEELERS AND 16 TRUCKS GOING NORTH. USING LOOSE MATH AND ASSUMPTIONS, THAT

TRANSLATES 240 TRUCKS GOING NORTHBOUND. >> WHOSE MAKING A DELIVERY?

>> THESE WERE 18-WHEELERS, MANY OF THEM WERE THE 18-WHEELER PUMP TRUCKS GOING BACK AND FORTH, I BELIEVE TO THE CONCRETE RECYCLING PLANT WHICH IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ROWLETT ROAD.

>> I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP, ACTUALLY, THAT'S ACTUALLY CITY OF GARLAND FRESH CONCRETE

PLANT. >> THAT'S ACTUALLY A PRIVATE CONCRETE PLANT.

>> THEY CONTRACT WITH THEM. YEAH, THEY CONTRACT WITH THEM. AND I'VE ACTUALLY COMMUNICATED THE ISSUE WITH THE GARLAND COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THEM LOSING LOADS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREETS. 66 IN ROWLETT ROAD WAS NOTHING BUT A CONCRETE MESS, SO IT HAS HAD AN IMPACT ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, FOR SURE. AND THEY COULD JUST BE GOING NORTHBOUND ON ROWLETT ROAD INTO GARLAND. NOT COMING THROUGH OUR CITY.

>> AGREED. >> YOU HAVE TO, YOU DO HAVE TO OBSERVE THEM, GO THROUGH OR STOP THEM IF YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING THROUGH AND IF THEY'RE MANIFEST AND THEY WILL TELL YOU WERE

THEY'RE GOING. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IT WAS DETERMINED BY JUDGE KILLGORE THAT OUR CURRENT SIGNAGE IS INSUFFICIENT, HOW MANY SIGNS WOULD WE HAVE TO CHANGE EXISTING

NOW AND DO WE MAKE CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC FASHION. >> I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT TO DETERMINE HOW MANY SIGNS, WHAT SIGNAGE, WHERE THE TRUE DEFICIENCY, I WOULD DO A

WHOLE SALE CHANGE AS OPPOSED TO... >> THANK YOU, THAT HELPS.

>> . >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER HERE TONIGHT IS WHETHER TO MOVE -- THAT IS PART OF OUR DECISION MAKING HERE TONIGHT, WHICH IS WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE, AND CONTINUE MOVING

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>> YES. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT IS WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COUPLE OF TARGETED AMENDMENTS TO THE INTEREST TRUCK

ROUTE ORDINANCE OR TO WAIT UNTIL A FULL STUDY IS DONE TO THEN... >> YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, I GUESS, IS THE WAY TO PUT IT, BUT A BALLISTIC ASSESSMENT WOULD BE THE BEST APPROACH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO PRESENT TO YOU IN A WORK SESSION AND HOPEFULLY ABSORB SOME OF THIS INFORMATION AND TRANSLATE INTO A WORKING DOCUMENT.

>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLISTIC PART, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT WE CAN GIVE GUIDANCE, BECAUSE I'M COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF REMOVING ROWLETT ROAD AND MILLER ROAD AS A TRUCK ROUTE, BECAUSE THIEVES GONE BEFORE PGBT WENT IN, AND PARTLY, AND I THINK PART OF THAT, WHAT WE'RE ALL WHOLISTIC PIECES IS THAT WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM FINE THAT IS ATTACHED IF A TRUCK IS CAUGHT GOING OUT OF BOUNDS, HOW IT'S BEING ENFORCED, THAT MEANS IF IT'S BAD ENOUGH AND WE HAVE TO HIRE ANOTHER COMMERCIAL OFFICER, USUALLY THEY COULD PAY FOR THEMSELVES, MY NEIGHBOR OWNS A TRUCKING COMPANY AND THEY CUT THROUGH HERE ALL THE TIME.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER COMPANIES HERE WITH TRUCK TRAFFIC. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STAYING WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU ALL THINK IS THAT ROWLETT ROAD AND MILLER ROAD NEED TO GO AWAY AND STICK TO THE ONES THAT ARE OUR MAIN ONES AND WHAT DOES THE REST OF THE PLAN LOOK LIKE HOW WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT, AND SIGN IT PROPERLY, AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF THAT, THAT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH AND COME

BACK AND TELL US WHAT THE PLAN IS. >> I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE OFF THE TABLE AND JUST LEAVE IT AS IS, AND I DON'T WANT TO JUST TINKER WITH IT, I THINK WE NEED A FULL EVALUATION AND GET A LEGAL REVIEW OF THE CORRECT VERBIAGE ON THE SIGN AND COURT APPROVED AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT IN A CONSISTENT

FASHION. >> RIGHT, AND, THAT'S THE ONE OF THE SLIDE'S REFLECTING SOME OF THE VULNERABILITIES. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT AS A WHOLISTIC APPROACH, AND ALSO HAVE SOME SORT OF CRITERIA OR A GRADUATING SCALE AS IT RELATES TO CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES ENTERING THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING, HOWEVER WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.

>> I GAVE THE SIGNAGE, THERE'S NO SIGNAGE REQUIREMENT, THERE'S NO SIGNAGE REQUIREMENT. THAT APPEARS TO BE SOMETHING WHICH IS PARTICULARLY TO OUR PARTICULAR JUDGE INVOLVED. I LOOKED AT THAT, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO GO DEEPLY IT INTO THIS BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE, I FEEL URGENCY IN THIS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC'S INCREASING EVERYDAY.

I'M SEEING A HALF DOZEN TRUCKS EVERY TIME I DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, I'M SEEING MORE AND MORE BOX TRUCKS OFF OF GEORGE BUSH AND OFF OF ROWLETT ROAD TO AVOID THE MESS THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. (INDISCERNIBLE) THERE'S NO SIGNAGE REARM REQUIREMENTS, THE DRIVERS ARE REQUIRED TO LOOK UP AND THROUGHOUT THEMSELVES, ACCORDING TO WHERE THE TRUCK ROUTES GO AND NOW BASED ON THE SIGNAGE THEY SEE ON THE STREETS. NOW, THERE ARE SIGNS REQUIRED IN OUR ORDINANCE, IT IS A NO-TRUCK AREA, MEANING NO TRUCKS, WETHER OR NOT THERE'S A DESTINATION THERE OR NOT. THERE ARE STREETS DESIGNATED NO-TRUCKS, THERE ARE SIGNS THAT JUST WENT UP ON KIRBY, BECAUSE THIS IS REPAVED. AND THOSE ARE THE REASONS THAT YOU PUT UP THE SIGNS. IT'S NICE TO HAVE, BACK IN THE ORDINANCE THAT I WROTE, AND TOOK THE ORDINANCE PASSED IN 2011 AND

SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND YOU HAVE THEM OUT? >> YES.

>> IT IS THE EXACT SAME ORDINANCE THAT WAS DONE IN 2011 MINUS THE DESIGNATION OF ROWLETT ROAD AND MILLER ROAD AS TRUCK ROUTES, AND YOU COULD PASS THAT IN TWO WEEKS -- THREE WEEKS, SORRY, AND IT WOULD STAND THE TEST OF TIME. THERE IS SOME URGENCY IN THIS, AND THE

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300 FEET TO STOP. >> SO, THE WHOLISTIC REVIEW OF THE ARTICLE DEALING WITH TRUCK ROUTES IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD. THE SIGNAGE REQUIREMENT IS NOT A PREREQUISITE TO ENFORCE THEM. FOR EXAMPLE, UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION CODE, IN ORDER TO ENFORCE A SPEED LIMIT THERE HAS TO BE A SIGN IMPOSED, THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THIS KIND OF ORDINANCE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ADVISABLE TO HAVE NO SIGNAGE AT ALL, BUT IT'S NOT A PREREQUISITE TO PATROL ENFORCEMENT, IT CONTAINS A PENALTY CLAUSE AND A STRICT LIABILITY CLAUSE, WHICH MEANS WHETHER THE DRIVER KNOWS HE'S ON THE NO TRUCK ROUTE AT ALL, DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

WE DON'T NEED TO SEE THE CERTIFIED OFFICERS TO WRITE TICKETS FOR DRIVING OFF OF A TRUCK ROUTE. ALL WE NEED IS ANY POLICE OFFICER TO SEE IT AND PULL THEM OVER AND CHECK HIS MANIFEST AND RUNNING THE TAKE. SO, THE TIMING OF THE ADOPTION OF ANY CHANGES IS COMPLETELY UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT, AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY I AGREE WITH RYAN. I'M KIDDING, IN THEORY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A SERIES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, IT GIVES YOU A RECOMMENDATION, IT COULD JUST BE KEYED UP ON AN AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION AND ACTION THE

FRIDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY MEETING. >> I WOULD NOTE THAT THE LAST TWO CHANGES WERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THEY WERE PULLED AND DOUBLED THROUGH THE CONSENT

AGENDA. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, I GUESS IS THERE A CONSENSUS, UNLESS

THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, IS THERE A CONSENSUS... >> WELL, IS $500 THE MAXIMUM

FINE FOR BEING OFF AN OFFICIAL TRUCK ROUTE? >> WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE MAXIMUM FINES OF $500 OR $2,000, THE $2,000 PENALTY IS REALLY FOR ZONING, LITTLERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS A TRAFFIC OFFENSE, IT'S TRAFFIC RELATED, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO

ARGUE THAT A $2,000 FINE IS APPROPRIATE. >> I DISAGREE WITH THAT, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE TO ME, IF YOU DON'T SEND THE MESSAGE, THIS HAS GOT TO HURT THEM IN THE POCKETBOOK OR THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO CUT THROUGH. IF IT'S FASTER FOR THEM TO CUT THROUGH OUR TOWN RATHER THAN SIT IN A TRAFFIC JAM BECAUSE THERE'S AN ACCIDENT ON 30 AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO COST THEM $500 IF THEY GET PULLED OVER, TO ME, THAT'S NOT YOU HAVE IN OF A DETERRENT, I WOULD BE UP FOR A $2,000 FINE TO HOLD UP THAT COMMERCIAL LAW, THEY COULD FIGHT IT IF THEY WANT. BUT THAT PART OF IT, I WOULD DEFINITELY PAL FIGHT FOR.

>> THE DRAFT WILL INCLUDE A PERIOD WELL, INCLUDE SIGNAGE AND A PERIOD TO HAVE THOSE SIGNS UP

TO PROVIDE SOME WARNING, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT. >> AND I THINK HAVING A GRACE PERIOD AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THE HOLISTIC PART OF IT IS, I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD IF THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE GROUP. BUT THEN IN TERMS OF TURNING AROUND AND WRITING $500 TICKETS, I WOULD BE LIKE, WHAT IS THE HOLISTIC PLAN. HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR SIGNAGE AND THE WARNINGS, BUT WE WILL START TO OPEN UP OUR ENFORCEMENT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING IN TERMS OF OVERALL STRATEGY, BUT I'M ALL FOR, IF THIS GROUP IS, AS EASY AS A FOUR PARAGRAPH REVIEW OF IT, LET'S GET IT ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE COUNSEL AGENDA AND COME BACK WITH A PLAN ON HOW TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE SO IT HAS TEETH BEHIND IT AND I THINK THE BIG ONE IS WHAT IS THAT FINE THAT WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.

>> FIRST, I WANT TO ASK DAVID THE QUESTION, WHEN YOU SAID, $500 TO $2,000, IS THAT LIKE ARRANGE AND THE COURT MAKES THAT DECISION, OH CAN WE PICK BETWEEN $500 OR $2,000.

>> WHEN WE DRAW UP THE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE ARRANGE OF PUNISHMENT, AND IT'S USUALLY BETWEEN 1 AND $500. IT'S PRETTY MUCH REFLECTS WHAT STATE LAW SAYS. WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE, AT A MAXIMUM FINE OF $500, THE JUDGE GETS TO SET THE PUNISHMENT, OR THE JURY GETS TO SET THE PUNISHMENT IN THAT RANGE UP TO $500, AND THE MAXIMUM RANGE OF $2,000, WE COME HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO IMPROS $2,000 FINES FOR LIMITED CATEGORIES OF OFFENSE AND I'LL READ FROM THE STATUTE, UM, RULE ORDINANCE OR POLICE REGULATION GOVERNING FIRE SAFETY, ZONING, OR PUBLIC HEALTH

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POSITION THAT NOT ALL FINES ARE THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. >> I MEAN, EVEN IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD WRITE IT IN, $500 FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE, THE SECOND IS $1,000, AND THE THIRD IS $1,500, IT KEEPS GOING UP TO WHATEVER THE MAX WILL BE, AND

NOT PER DRIVER BUT PER COMPANY. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT LOSING

THE AMOUNT OF MONEY RATHER THAN EATING THE TICKET. >> TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS.

>> $500 WORKS. I'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES WITH TRUCK ROUTE ORDINANCES, $500 WORKS.

>> WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, IT NEEDS TO BE PRINTED ON THE SIGN. SO, IT'S REAL CLEAR. IF IT'S

$2 MILLION. >> I'M GOING TO, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT IT'S, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD DO $2,000 WHEN YOU SEE THE ORDINANCE, YOU'LL SEE IT IN THERE, IF THERE'S NOT,

YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO SEE $500. >> OKAY. >>

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT I HAD CAN WE GRADUATE?

>> LIKE FIRST OFFENSE, MINIMUM FINE OF $100, AND A SECOND OFFENSE WOULD BE...

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO COME BACK WITH A --

>> I LIKE THE MOURNING PERIOD AND JUMP TO $500. EVERY TIME IS JUMPS TO $500.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: AND ARE WE GOOD? >> YES.

>> COME BACK WITH A PLAN FOR EN FORCING. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: OKAY.

GREAT. >> AND THE ENTIRETY OF ROWLETT ROAD, AND THE

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> AND YES. YES. >> MAYOR AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE JUMP BETWEEN PGBT. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE THE TURNS.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: IS THAT IT? >> WELL, ACROSS THE BRIDGE, PERMITS THE SERVICE TRUCK.

>> THAT'S NOT A TRUCK ROUTE. >> IT'S NOT. (MULTIPLE PEOPLING SPEAKING AT

ONCE) >> IS THERE ANY DESIRE TO CREATE A GRADUATED SCALE? MAY BE, $500 THE FIRST OFFENSE, $1,000 THE SECOND OFFENSE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?

>> SO TO ME, WHATEVER THE MAXIMUM IS THIS WE COULD DO LEGALLY IS WHAT I'M WANTING TO

SET. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: ISN'T IT THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE'S DISCRETION?

>> IF THE ORDINANCE CONTAINS A MINIMUM FINE AMOUNT, THE JUDGE IS BOUND BY THAT OR A JURY IS BOUND BY THAT. SO, IF HYPOTHETICALLY, THE MAXIMUM IS UP TO $500, WE COULD CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT CREATES THE MINIMUM FINE FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE AT $100, OR $200, IN A MUNICIPAL COURT, THE JUDGE OR JURY IS PASSING ON CASES WHERE BY AND LARGE, MOST HAVE MAXIMUM FINES OF $200. SO, ASSESSING A FINE OF UP TO $200 IS A SIGNIFICANT FINE IN A MUNICIPAL COURT. IF WE IMPOSE A MINIMUM FINE BY ORDINANCE OF $200 BY FIRST OFFENSE, THAT FIRST

OFFENSE WOULD BE 18.# GALLONS OF DIESEL. >> THAT'S EXPENSIVE.

>> JUST TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, A TYPICAL AVERAGE CITATION RANGES PROBABLY ABOVE $1,000 PER CITATION. SO, WE HAVE LEVEL ONE AND LEVEL TWO, LEVEL ONE IS BASICALLY

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> LEVEL TWO THE INSPECTOR ACTUALLY GETS UNDERNEATH THE TRUCKS AND GETS IT ON THE SCALE AND CHECKS THE BRAKES AND LEVEL TWO VIOLATIONS CAN BE UP TO

$10,000. >> SO, THIS IS NOT OUT OF RANGE FOR THE COST OF THIS CITATION

FOR AN 18-WHEELER VIOLATION? >> COMPARED TO EQUIPMENT VIOLATIONS

(INDISCERNIBLE). >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: OKAY. THAT SOUNDS TO ME WHAT I NEED TO

KNOW. >> OH, NICE. ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING TO

BE ILLEGAL ON THAT TRUCK. >> KEEP IN MIND, TOO, THAT THE CDE INSPECTOR HAS THE KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND EQUIPMENT TO DO THOSE INSPECTIONS, THE STANDARD PATROL OFFICER DOES NOT BUT HE COULD

STILL ISSUE THE CITATION. >> THE STATE LAW VIOLATIONS, BUT FOR THIS TRAFFIC OFFENSE,

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>> I DON'T THINK WE COULD GO AS HIGH AS $2,000, BUT I'M GOING TO BE SURE BEFORE I SAY THAT. I'LL

DO THE RESEARCH. >> CAN WE DO $1,500? >> .

(MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) >> I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALTHOUGH IN THE GREATER SCHEME OF THINGS, GIVING THE PENALTIES, A $500 FINE MAY NOT SEEM LIKE THAT MUCH.

>> WE'RE WAY OUT OF TIME AND WE HAVE IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TO HAVE.

>> WE HAVE ONE OFFICER. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 3C, DISCUSS THE

POTENTIAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A 1 -- >> BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, IT WAS VERY CONSTANT THAT THIS MEETING IS NOT, (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> . >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THANK YOU. >>

[3C. Discuss the potential to move forward with a November 2022 Bond Election to include new City facilities and Herfurth Park improvements. ]

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> . >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THANK YOU, AND GOOD TO SEE YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL OF THE BOARD OF NOVEMBER 2022 BOND ELECTION TO INCLUDE CITY FACILITIES AND URBAN PARK IMPROVEMENTS, DO WE HAVE COMMENT

CARDS? DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> ALL RIGHT.

>> WHO IS KICKING US OFF? >> ANGIE. >> I'M GOING TO KICK IT OFF AND

GIVE YOU GUYS TIME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. >> FACILITY BOND ELECTION PLANS, TONIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS ON THE FOLLOWING, IS THERE AN INTEREST IN HAVING A NOVEMBER 2022 FACILITY'S BOND ELECTION, AND IF NOT, IS THERE ANOTHER DATE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE

STAFF TO WORK TOWARD, WHETHER IT BE MAY '23, NOVEMBER '23. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, THAT'S

THE WHOLE PRESENTATION? >> THAT'S THE PREVIEW. THAT'S THE PREVIEW. I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT I MEAN, IT'S THAT ENGLISH MAJOR IN ME, I GOT TO TELL YOU WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU AND

TELL YOU AGAIN JUST IN CASE. >>> SO, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY FOR EVERYONE, IN 2018 WE HAD A CIP BOND ELECTION AND WE APPROVED THE CITIZENS APPROVED A FACILITIES MASTER PLAN. THEY CONDUCTED THAT WORK, THE FIRST FACILITY DISCUSSION, WAS WITH COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020 WOULD A FOLLOW UP, CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, WE HAD AN ADDITI ADDITIONAL FACILITIES UPDATE IN MAY OF 2022. IN MARCH OF 2022, THE COUNCIL APPOINTED A CIPTF, WHICH IS A "CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TASK FORCE", SPECIFICALLY APPOINTED AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR CHARGE WAS TO GET CITIZEN INPUT ABOUT THE FACILITIES AND ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF RAISING TAXES TO PAY FOR A FACILITIES BONDS OUTSIDE OF OUR TYPICAL BONDS AND IN APRIL OF 2022, COUNCIL RECONVENED TO GIVE SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO THE CIPTF WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAD PLANNED FOR A NOVEMBER 2022 ELECTION. FACILITIES ELECTION.

>> SO, IT'S IMPORTANT, AND YOU GUYS WILL REMEMBER FROM A LOT OF OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE A STRATEGIC AND STRUCTURED APPROACH TO HOLDING BOND ELECTIONS AND THAT'S BASED ON A THREE-YEAR CYCLE. SO, OUR LAST BOND WAS MAY OF 2021, AND THAT WAS ROADS, AND ALLEYS, AND INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE WAS A PARKS ELEMENT AND A PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT, THAT WAS IN MAY 2021, THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED BOND ELECTION IF WE FOLLOWED THAT STRATEGIC THREE-YEAR PLAN WOULD BE MAY OF 2024. AT THE TIME, COUNCIL DECIDED THAT MAY BE FACILITIES NEEDED TO BE A STAND ALONE BOND ELECTION BECAUSE THERE WAS THE POTENTIAL THAT THERE'S NOT DEBT CAPACITY, BRIAN CAN BETTER EXPLAIN THIS THAN ME, THERE'S NOT BOND CAPACITY DEBT EXPIRING THAT WE COULD HAVE OUR TRADITIONAL BONDS WITH. THERE'S A NEED FOR A FACILITIES BOND ELECTION, BUT THAT WILL LIKELY BE OVER AND ABOVE OUR STRATEGIC BOND ELECTIONS. YOU GOT TO SEE THAT FIRST-HAND, WE'VE OUTGROWN OUR SPACES. OUR SPACE ARE NO LONGER ENERGY EFFICIENT, THEY'RE NOT CONVENIENT FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, WE HAVE HIGH MAINTENANCE COST AND AS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE FACILITIES, WITH THE PARKS PORTION OF THE MAY 2021 BOND FAILING, COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION TO INCLUDE HERFURTH PARK PHASE TWO AND THREE IN THE FACILITIES ELECTION. THESE WERE THE SPECIFIC FACILITIES, THE SIX AT THE TOP BEING CONSIDERED

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AND THAT CAN CHANGE EVERYDAY, RIGHT, SO, THE ENTIRE PROJECT WOULD BE $4 MILLION TO FINISH OUT HERFURTH PARK. AND REMEMBER THAT HERFURTH PARK IS A DOWNOWN DESTINATION PARK AND THE FUTURE HOME OF ALL OF OUR FUTURE EVENTS. SO, CHALLENGES, THERE ARE DEFINITELY CHALLENGES AS WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE A BOND ELECTION. CONTRARY TO OUR SPACE NEEDS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. INFLATION, RISING INTEREST RATES, THAT IS HAVING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR ABILITY TO CONTRUCK ROUTE LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS. NOT THAT WE CAN'T, BUT THEY'RE OVERBUDGET AND GOING MORE EVERY TIME. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT STRATEGIC TIMING, WHAT IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THIS BOND ELECTION? AS I MENTIONED, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BONDS TASK FORCE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT. THE CITY COUNCIL TASK THE CIP OF OBTAINING THE CITY FACILITIES AND THE THRESHOLDS OF COST. SO, THEIR JOB AND WHAT THEY'RE CHARGED WITH IS GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GIVING THEM INFORMATION ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR FACILITIES, HOW MUCH FACILITIES COST, THAT THIS WOULD BE A STAND ALONE ELECTION AND GETTING THEIR FEEDBACK ON HOW THEY WOULD RANK BUILDING THE FACILITIES, RIGHT? THERE ARE SIX FACILITIES, WHAT IS NUMBER ONE FOR YOU, WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND THEY RANK 1-6. WE HAVE A SURVEY SET UP, CIPTS SINCE IT WAS FORMED HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE, THEY'VE MET TWICE A MONTH IN ADDITION TO ATTENDING EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETING DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE, ATTENDING EVERY SPECIAL EVENT TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC TO GET THEIR INFORMATION. A SURVEY WAS DEVELOPED FOR CITIZEN INPUT AND THEY'VE DONE VIDEOS, THE SECOND VIDEO WILL BE RELEASED EARLY NEXT WEEK. AND THE THIRD VIDEO WILL COME OUT WITH HERFURTH PARK INFORMATION. AS A RULE OF THUMB IN YOU OUTGOING AND AGGRESSIVE THEY'VE BEEN, TODAY THEY HAVE 395 CITIZEN RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY. SO, THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE GETTING PEOPLE TO FILL THOSE OUT. IT'S QUICK, YOU SCAN A BAR CODE ON THE PHONE OR WE HAVE IPADS, WE HAVE THEM IN THE LOBBY, AT THE LIBRARY AND AT RCC, SO THEY'RE ATTENDING THE EVENTS, AND GETTING THE FEEDBACK. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A NOVEMBER 2022 FACILITIES BOND ELECTION, THEY WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE LAST MEETING IN JULY TO PRESENT WHAT THEY GOT, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO CALL AN ELECTION ON AUGUST 17TH, AT THE AUGUST 17TH MEETING. IF THIS COUNCIL CHOOSES IT MOVE THAT DATE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CHARGE, AND THEY'RE PREPARED TO COME BACK WITH A LONGER MESSAGE AND IT GIVES THEM A LONGER TIME TO GET THE CITIZEN INPUT. WE HAVE AN E-MAIL SET UP, AND WE'RE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE BOARD, LAURA GETS THE SURVEY RESULTS AND COMPILES THEM AND SENDS THEM TO THE BOARDS, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK TO WHAT THIS GROUP IT IS DOING, THAT WOULD JUST PUSH THE GOAL DATE OUT A BIT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BRIAN IS HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT REALLY, THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT: IS THERE GOING TO BE A FACILITIES

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>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THANK YOU, AA AAMY.

>> THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING IS ESSENTIAL. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT WORK DONE. WITH THIS, THIS IS ABOUT THE COMMITTEE CAN DO THAT WORK, MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD ON IT, BUT ULTIMATELY ONLY COUNCIL GETS TO DECIDE TIMING. AND, YOU KNOW, AND, I WILL TELL YOU AND I'VE SAID THIS TO THE MAYOR EARLIER TODAY, AND THAT IS, WE'RE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION ON THE BUDGET, THE PROPOSED BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH INFLATION AND THE HIGH RISING OF THE INTEREST RATES AND WHAT WE'LL DO ABOUT THAT IN THE ENVIRONMENT, WE HAVE CONSTRAINTS IN THE ONE HAND AND INCREASING COSTS ON THE OTHER THEY THEY DON'T ALWAYS MEASURE ONE TO THE OTHER. I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE CONVERSATION TO HAVE AT THIS JUNCTION SURE BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DECIDE.

>> >> IS THIS A QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD.

>> SO, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE CIPTF, THEY HAVE BEEN A HUGE HELP, AND GETTING US THIS CITIZEN'S INPUT, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD A HIGH NUMBER OF

SURVEYS DONE, I THINK OVER 400 IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. >> 395.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, ALMOST 400 WHICH IS GOOD FOR A SURVEY, >> GREAT.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, THEY'VE NOT BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, THEY'VE BEEN A HUGE HELP FOR US.

DUE TO THE CURRENT MARKET TRENDS, AND, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHLY UNSTABLE GOVERNMENT BOND MARKET, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE WATCHING OUT THERE, WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE GOVERNMENT BONDS, BUT IT'S QUITE CRAZY. WAY UP WEEK THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN BONDS AND THE OTHER WEEK THERE'S A HIGH SELLOUT OF BONDS, SO IT'S ALL CRAZY. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TAKE A STRATEGIC PAUSE AND, YOU KNOW, RECONSIDER A DATE TO BE DETERMINED IN THE FUTURE, MAY BE THAT MEANS WE COME BACK TO THIS IN SIX MONTHS AND REEVALUATE WHERE WE ARE GIVEN THE MARKET TRENDS. IF THINGS STABILIZE AND SLOW DOWN. ALTHOUGH, I WILL SAY THIS, THERE'S ONE PROJECT THAT I WOULD STRUGGLE WITH DELAYING, AND THAT'S THE ANIMAL SHELTER. I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THE CONSISTENT STATUS, AND IT'S NOT THE ROWLETT ISSUE BUT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING ALL OVER. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S ABOUT, BUT IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER AND IT'S HAPPENING TO US. AND I KNOW THAT WE DON'T WANT ON OUR CONSCIENCE THAT WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN A CITY THAT WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE REALLY DIFFICULT DECISIONS BECAUSE OF LACK OF SPACE. AND I KNOW THAT THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR STAFF NEGATIVELY, IF THEY WERE HAVING TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE. THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE LOWER IMPACT OF AN ANIMAL SHELTER, THAN A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY THAT WE CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD ON THAT ONE AND HAVING A STRATEGIC PAUSE ON ALL OF THE OTHER PROJECTS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ON ONE SIDE, A HALF OF CENT CA IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE VERSUS A $0.06 INCREASE ON THE TAX RATE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE TIME

TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE 6%. >> I HAD A QUESTION AND I HAD A COMMENT, BASED ON THE INPUT THEY'VE RECEIVED SO FAR, DO WE SEE HOW THAT'S TRENDING? IS IT TRENDING YES OR NO?

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN THE RESULTS, LAURA, DO YOU KNOW, THE ONE'S I'VE SEEN ARE ALL OVER THE MAP, SOME ARE POLICE, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS, AND SOME ARE ANIMAL SHELTER.

>> I JUST COMPILED THEM AND SENT THEM ON, I HAVEN'T EXAMINED THEM, BUT OVERALL, CITIZENS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF A FACILITY BOND. THE FIRST UPDATE I SENT WAS THE COMPARISON OF YES, I SUPPORT A

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LOOKED AT THE FINE TUNED DETAILS. >> SO, BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT PAUSING, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU WOULD CAUTION US TO PAUSE OTHER THINGS BUT KEEP, MAY BE PUSH FORWARD WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY?

>> I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. AND I KNOW THAT WE NEED AN ANIMAL SHELTER, BUT WE'RE GETTING READY TO HIRE EIGHT OR NINE OFFICERS AND THEY'RE ALREADY STACKED UPON

EACH OTHER THERE, WE NEED A GOOD PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. >> AND I THINK EVEN IF WE WERE TO FOUND THIS PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY, TODAY, OR YESTERDAY OR A MONTH AGO, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A TURN AROUND TIME FOR TWO YEARS, BECAUSE IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE TWO YEARS OF DESIGN, AND

PROBABLY NOW A $70 MILLION FACILITY. >> IT COULD BE $140 MILLION

SOON. >> I THINK WE MAY LOOK AT TEMPORARY FACILITY SOLUTION SHALL. EVEN IF WE WERE FUNDED TODAY, WE HAVE A NEED AT THIS VERY MOMENT. AND MAY BE THAT'S

WHERE WE GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER. >> I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT AS A HIGH PRIORITY, PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: IN THIS MARKET, WITH THE INSTABILITY AND PEOPLE ALREADY DEALING WITH CRAZY INFLATION COSTS TO ASK THEM FOR A $0.06 INCREASE, IS A REALLY BIG ASK.

>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT I HATE TO KICK THAT CAN. >> I DO TOO, PUBLIC SAFETY IS HUGE FOR ME AS WELL. BUT IF WE TAKE THIS TO A BOND AND IT FAILS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. AND I THINK THAT IT'S RIGHT THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO GET THE PEOPLE TO GO FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER, THEY SEE THAT AS SMALL. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT NOT AT HOW MANY CENTS PER HUNDRED ON THE TAX RATE, AS MUCH AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT BIG HUGE NUMBER, $70 MILLION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO SIT ON. I I WISH THAT WE COULD, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, I WOULD LIKE TO FUND ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, GO TO BOND ON ALL OF THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THAT, AND I THINK THAT WE DO HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF PASSING THAT ANIMAL SHELTER BOND BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT I'M TALKING TO AND HEARING FROM ARE THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT THAT NUMBER SCARES THEM. BUT WHEN THEY SEE THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND THINK ABOUT THOSE ANIMALS LITERALLY BEING A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION, ALMOST EVERYBODY THAT I'VE TALKED TO SAYS THEY WOULD GO WITH THAT.

>> I GET THAT AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WASN'T SAYING, LET'S GET THE HOLD ON THE ANIMAL, BUT

I WAS LOOKING AT ANIMAL SHELTER AND PUBLIC SAFETY. >> I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.

>> FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THERE ARE EIGHT OFFICERS LOOKING TO HIRE ON THE STREET, THEY'RE NOT

AT A DESK, NOT THAT THAT MAKE IT IS ANY BETTER. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: I THINK THAT WE'RE AT A POINT WITH POLICE THAT WE HAVE TO START TO LOOK AT TEMPORARY FACILITY SOLUTIONS, BECAUSE, AGAIN, EVEN IF WE WERE TO FUND THIS TODAY, WE STILL NEED TO LOOK AT A TEMPORARY FACILITIES SOLUTION. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TWO YEARS, HE WITH DON'T HAVE YESTERDAY TO START TO THINK ABOUT THESE TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS. WE SAW WHAT WE SAW AND IT WAS PRETTY ALARMING. AND ALSO, TO THINK ABOUT WITH AN ANIMAL SHELTER, IF WE WERE TO MOVE THAT ANIMAL SHELTER, THAT WOULD FREE UP THE CURRENT LOCATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO EXPAND THEIR FOOTPRINT AND THAT GIVES THEM SOME BREATHING ROOM FOR A COUPLE MORE YEARS WHILE WE EVALUATE WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO PUT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. SO, IT DOES TWO THINGS UNDER ONE REQUEST. AND, IN THIS MARKET, WITH JUST THE UNKNOWN, JUST IN A COMPLETELY UNKNOWN ENVIRONMENT, I DON'T THINK I COULD SUPPORT PUTTING ON A BOND PACKAGE, 60-$70 MILLION. AND IT VERY LIKELY GET DENIED.

>> AND THE OTHER THING IS HAVING THIS BOND ELECTION THIS YEAR AFTER WE'VE HAD ONE LAST YEAR AND PEOPLE ARE USED TO THAT THREE-YEAR CYCLE. SO, ANOTHER BIG ONE, I THINK, A LOT OF

PEOPLE WOULD PUSH BACK ON. >> I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT FAIL. >> EXACTLY.

>> AND, I DO FEEL THAT THE ANIMAL SHELTER WOULD BE GOOD. HOW MUCH WOULD THAT BE,

$12 MILLION? >> I THINK THAT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE COST.

>> $5.5 MILLION IS. IMAGINE, 2020, 8.5 PERCENT INCREASE, BUT, $6 MILLION.

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>> I THINK $6 MILLION IS VERY CONSERVATIVE. >> SO, ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO TOO, SO, FIRST OFF, LET ME SAY THIS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET (INDISCERNIBLE) BEFORE IT'S DESIGNED, SO, ONE POSSIBILITY IS THAT YOU SCHEDULE THIS ELECTION FOR NEXT MAY WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION, AND WE MOVE AROUND SOME FUNDS, CAPITAL FUNDS, TO ACTUALLY START THE DESIGN NOW. SO THAT NEXT MAY IT'S ALREADY DESIGNED, WE ALREADY KNOW THE LOCATION, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE, AND THEN, YOU'RE BONDING FOR THE

CONSTRUCTION. >> YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT, IS THAT WITH THE DESIGN, WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE BOND AND ASK FOR SUPPORT, WE COULD SHOW PEOPLE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, AND NOT JUST THIS IDEA THAT'S NOT ON PAPER. SO, I LIKE THAT IDEA. I'M SURE WE

CAN. >> AND THE CIPTF CAN CONTINUE THEIR MISSION THROUGH JANUARY AND WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE FEEDBACK AND RESULTS BY THEN. SO, LOOK AT THAT.

>> SO, WE'RE AS YOU KNOW, ABOUT TO START THE DESIGN WORK ON THE FIRE STATION, SO, WE COULD TAKE

THAT MONEY INSTEAD FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER. >> THANKS, CHIEF, FOR THE

DONATION. >> REALLY, I WAS WAITING FOR THE LOOK, CHIEF.

>> THE ONE THING, THOUGH, ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER IF THIS IS GOING TO WHERE THE MUNICIPAL

COMPLEX WILL GO, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE NUMBERS... >> WE HAVE NOT DECIDED.

>> BUT, THE CONSULTANTS DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT, WE DO HAVE OPTIONS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION NUMBER 2, AND THERE'S OTHER SPOTS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT DOING, SO IT'S NOT WHERE IT'S NOW, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO BUILD IT THERE, I DON'T THINK.

>> SO, THE LOCATION STILL BE POSSIBLY LAND ACQUISITION COSTS? >> WELL, I MEAN, THERE --

>> BUT WE ALREADY OWN THE LAND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ACQUISITION.

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS. YOU KNOW. >> BASED ON.

>> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO SOLVE THAT TODAY, BUT, WHAT, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THERE WOULD BE INTEREST IN DOING THAT, WORST COMES TO WORST, YOU KNOW, WE COULD EVEN DO SOME ADVANCE FINANCING JUST FOR THE ENGINEERING, IT'S NOT MUCH, WE'LL BORROW FROM OURSELVES TO

DO IT. >> A LOT OF TIMES YOU DO A SITE PLAN AND THAT TELLS A BIG STORY, RIGHT, AND A SITE PLAN TELLS YOU MORE ABOUT WHAT IT WILL COST INSTEAD OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, BUT FOR A SITE PLAN IT MAY BE SIGNIFICANTLY

INEXPENSIVE. >> AND I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH TIME DO THAT AND BE READY FOR MAY ELECTIONS. THE OTHER NICE THING IS THAT IF WE KNOW FOR SURE WE DON'T HAVE A NOVEMBER ELECTION THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DOUBLE OUR ELECTION BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.

>> SO, I LOVE THE IDEA OF PUSHING IT BACK TO MAY AND WE ALSO DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ANOTHER ELECTION, WHICH ITHINK IS REALLY, REALLY SMART. I'M FINE WITH BEING CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE OF THE MARKET AND WHERE EVERYTHING IS AND -- BUT, TO ME, I THINK WE GO FULL CENT, AND YOU HAVE TO THROW IN, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, WHICH, I COULD GET BEHIND, HERFURTH PARK TO ME, CAN'T WAIT. YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE HERFURTH PARK FORWARD, AND I'M TOTALLY ON BOARD, BECAUSE I HATE TO CLICK THE PUBLIC SAFETY, I THINK YOU THROW IN THE DESIGN WORK FOR THE FUTURE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING INTO THAT OH SO THAT KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH FIRE STATION 2, DIDN'T WE FUND THE DESIGN IN ONE BOND AND THEN THERE WAS ONE BUILDING, WE FUNDED DESIGN AND ANOTHER ONE, BUT, GET THAT DESIGN GOING SO AGAIN YOU COULD HAVE, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG NUMBER AT SOME POINT, AND TO YOUR POINT, HAVING THAT PICTURE AT SOME POINT WHEN WE HAVE TO SELL THAT BOND WOULD BE A BIG HELP. SO, I AGREE WITH YOU BEING CONSERVATIVE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH IT MORE BECAUSE THERE ARE REAL NEEDS IN THERE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, WE CAN'T HAVE THE BACK DOOR TO A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND TRYING TO GET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN AND WE HAVE 40--YEAR-OLD BASEBALL FIELDS NOT

DOING ANYTHING. >> BY DECEMBER WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE CIPTF TOO, TO CONSIDER WHAT THE PUBLIC WOULD SUPPORT AND HOW MUCH THEY WOULD SUPPORT.

>> SO, WOULD A FULL CENT, WHICH IS $10 MILLION, RIGHT, WOULD THAT ACCOMPLISH, IT WOULD

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PHASES TWO AND THREE. >> IT COULD, GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE BIT EITHER WAY.

>> BUT, COULD THERE BE EXTRA, YOU KNOW, MAY BE WE DO PHASE TWO AND NOT PHASE THREE, AND THEN, THE EXTRA WHAT'S LEFTOVER COULD BE USED FOR DESIGN ENGINEERING OF OTHER FACILITIES?

>> IS THAT REASONABLE? >> LET ME SAY THIS, I WOULD SAY, IT'S WITHIN REASON. MY CAVEAT TO IT, THE $10 MILLION BALL PARK NUMBER WAS BEFORE INTEREST RATES DID WHAT THEY DID SO, UM, SO, THAT WAS A RULE OF THUMB THAT WE REALLY HAD FROM LAST YEAR WHEN OUR INTEREST RATES WERE A LOT LOWER, SO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT SOME OF THE $10 MILLION RULE IS BEING ERODED, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT BETWEEN NOW AND MAY, THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME FOR THAT DUST TO SETTLE, SO, I THINK WE COULD STILL USE IT S A RULE OF THUMB. SO, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, WORK TOWARDS THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AT LEAST ONE PHASE OF HERFURTH PARK, AND MAY BE ENGINEERING ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY, RESIGN ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, EVEN

IF IT WAS 10/5, YOU COULD BE WITHIN REASON. >> TO ME, THAT SOUNDS

REASONABLE. >> I LIKE THAT. >> >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: AND NOW WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR OVER A CENT, BECAUSE, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SUPPORT THAT IN THE

CURRENT MARKET. >> WE COULD DO A SCHEDULED JOINT MEETING WITH CIPTF IN JANUARY FOR THEM TO PRESENT WHAT THEY'VE FOUND AND COME BACK WITH ACCURATE, UP-TO-DATE PRICING ON

THINGS AS WELL. >> AND DO WE SUSPECT THAT WILL BE PRESENTED AS ONE BOND

PROPOSITION IN >> TECHNICALLY, IT WOULD STILL BE TWO, BECAUSE USUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AS A SEPARATE QUESTION THAN YOUR PARKS AND RECS STUFF.

>> SO, IT'S ACTUALLY THREE. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: IT'S THE ANIMAL SHELTER, THE HERFURTH

PARK PHASE TWO, >> YOU COULD POSSIBLY INCLUDE THE ANIMAL SHELLER AS A

FACILITY. >> WELL, OKAY, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

>> AND, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME IF I OVERSTEP HERE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE ALREADY MADE THE DECISION THAT FIRE STATION FIVE IS GOING TO BE A CO VERSUS A GO, IS THAT DECISION STILL UP IN THE

AIR? >> THAT DECISION IS STILL UP IN THE AIR BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO PIN YOU GUYS DOWN THE OTHER DAY, ALL I WAS TELLING YOU IS WHY WE NEED TO CONSIDER IT. I WILL PIN YOU DOWN AT SOME POINT AND ASK FOR A HARD, BECAUSE THAT MOST LIKELY WILL BE DONE NEXT SPRING

OR EARLY SUMMER AS WELL. >> THT'S WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE TIME WISE IS PLAYS INTO

THE SCHEDULE. >> LET'S JUST SAY IT DID WORKOUT THAT WAY, WHAT I ENVISION IS IF THE ELECTION IS SUCCESSFUL ON THE OTHER THREE ITEMS YOU JUST MENTIONED, YOU COULD ISSUE, SAY, $10 MILLION GO AND THE CO, ALL ON THE SAME BOND SCHEDULE AND REDUCE SOME OF OUR ISSUANCE COST AND THINGS LIKE THAT. TO EVEN THAT OUT A LITTLE MORE. IF YOU DID THEM TOO SEPARATELY, THEN YOU GOT TO PAY ALL OF THOSE COSTS EACH TIME, SO COMBINE IT AND HAVE ONE BIGGER

SALE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF, YOU MEAN, TO YOUR DISCRETION, MAYBE IT'S THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, TO PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER AND THINK ABOUT IF WE NEED TEMPORARY FACILITY SOLUTIONS BECAUSE WHAT WE SAW IS, WE DON'T HAVE TWO YEARS. WE DON'T HAVE YESTERDAY.

SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW, MAY BE WE UTILIZE SOME OF THAT CASH, YOU KNOW, THE $1.2 MILLION IN LAND ACQUISITION, MAY BE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. THAT'S THE POSITION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN IS TO TRY AND PURCHASE TEMPORARY FACILITIES WHILE WE GET THROUGH THIS. ESPECIALLY SEEING PROPERTY EVIDENCE. I MEAN, THAT WAS, THAT CAN'T BE

THAT WAY. SO... >> WELL, TENTS ARE PRETTY CHEAP.

>> THERE'S A NOW STORAGE FACILITY, GOING ON. (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS)

>> SO, WHAT WE'LL DO IS SCHEDULE A JOINT MEETING WITH CIPTF SO YOU COULD SEE THE RESULTS AND AT THAT MEETING, YOU COULD DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IN MAY, FEBRUARYISH IS THE PAL ELECTION CALL DATE. IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL TRY TO FIRM UP PRICES ON TODAY DOLLARS, AND I SUSPECT, THAT WE COULD HELP YOU DO THAT AND EVEN DESIGN, WHAT WOULD IT

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POINT. >> THE SILVER LINING IN OUR CLOUD IS THAT COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION IS STARTING TO LAG AS IS RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, ALL OF THAT BODES WELL FOR A

PUBLIC ENTITY THAT CAN BUILD WHEN THINGS ARE DOWN. >> AND LAURA AND I WILL SHARE.

>> I WAS BEING FACETIOUS, AND YES, AS A MATTER OF FACT WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, SO, WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK TOWARDS THAT ANSWER, BECAUSE, I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, WITH ALL THE MOVING PIECES, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE AT LEAST A NEED FOR A TEMPORARY FACILITY FOR AERED P OF TIME. AND THE USE CAN CHANGE SEVERAL TIMES OVER A FEW YEARS WHILE WE KEEP GETTING THINGS BUILT, AND MOVE THAT PERSON IN THERE AND PUT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THERE AND KEEP DOING IT.

>> WE CAN'T KEEP KICKING THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD. (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> (INAUDIBLE) >> IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR THE BUILDING OF FIRE STATION 2?

>> LET'S NOT GO THERE. >> (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS)

>> (INDISCERNIBLE) >> THAT'S THE WORKING END OF

IT. YOU BETTER WATCHOUT. >> WE'LL MEET WITH CIPTF AND TELL THEM TO MARCH FORWARD WITH CONTINUING TO GET THE INFORMATION AND PRESENT THAT TO YOU AT EITHER THE FIRST OR

SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, DEAL? >> >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THANK YOU.

GREAT. GOOD CONVERSATION. >> ALL RIGHT. >> SPECIAL THANKS FOR THE TASK

FORCE. >> YES. >> ABSOLUTELY.

[3D. Discuss the creation and appointment of a City Council subcommittee for Public Safety.]

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: WHERE ARE WE. OKAY. ITEM 3D, DISCUSS THE CREATION AND APPOINTMENT OF A CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS? DOES ANYBODY

WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER SHINDER?

>> YOU'RE THE PRESENTER TONIGHT. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO. WE'RE

KIDDING. >> . >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: I HAD TO DO

IT WHEN I PRESENTED YOUTH COUNCIL. >> WELL, SO --

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: EQUAL TREATMENT, RIGHT? >> I DON'T WANT TO GET SPECIAL TREATMENT BECAUSE I'M A GIRL. OKAY. THIS IS AN IDEA THAT HAS BEEN KICKED BACK AND FORTH AND ROUND AND ROUND FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT CHIEF GODFREY BACK LAST SUMMER ABOUT HOW TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC MORE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND IT'S EVOLVED TO BE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT STARTED OUT TO BE, UM, YEAH, OKAY. UM, BUT AS I WAS GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT BOTH THE COUNSEL'S SUBCOMMITTEES AND THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, IT STRUCK ME THAT WE HAD THINGS DEVOTED TO PARKS DEPARTMENT, DEVOTED TO FINANCE, AND ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS BUT NOTHING, NO BOARD AND NO COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE DEVOTED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH I CONSIDER TO BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, I DON'T THINK, TO MANY OF YOU HERE, YOU KNOW THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE AND PROPERTY AND IT'S A FOUNDATIONAL SERVICE ON WHICH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS DEPEND. SO, MY IDEA, MY ORIGINAL IDEA WAS A ADVISORY BOARD, A PUBLIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD. WELL, THAT CHANGED, OVER TIME, BUT, BOTH AN ADVISORY BOARD AND A COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD HAVE COMMON GOALS AND COMMON OUTCOMES. THE CHALLENGE TODAY IS TO A ALLOW OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PEOPLE, OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE DO THEIR JOBS PROPERLY AND TO DO THAT THEY NEED THE SUPPORT OF CITY MANAGEMENT, CITY OFFICIALS AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.

THE CHALLENGE FOR THE COUNCIL IS HOW TO CHUAN INDICATE THAT SUPPORT AND HOW TO INVOLVE WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH OPERATIONAL MATTERS, WE KNOW THAT'S A FINE LINE THAT WE WALK ALL THE TIME WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT THIS CREATES A NEED FOR A COMMITTEE TASKED FOR INTERACTING WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS RESEARCHING AND PROVIDING SUBJECTIVE INPUT TO THE FULL COUNCIL ON THE POTENTIAL OR EMERGING ISSUES, STAFFING REQUIREMENTS, EXISTING IT PROPOSED PROGRAMS AND MAY BE EMERGING STATE LAWS WHEN WE GO

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SO, WHAT WOULD THIS COMMITTEE DO, WHAT WOULD IT'S SCOPE BE? WELL, WE WOULD PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS AND PERSONNEL IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES DO FOR THE OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT THEY DEAL WITH, BUT THE BIG, THE BIG DPOEL IS TO ENHANCE THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGEMENT AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY LEADERSHIP, AND, OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MORAL PROBLEMS IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, AND WITH THE EMPLOYEES, SO INCREASING MORAL AND EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION WOULD BE A FOCUS OF THAT. WE WANT TO INCREASE THE AWARENESS ON THE PART OF CITY OFFICIALS OF POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT EFFECT THE PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATION AND REDUCE THE WORK OF INDIVIDUAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHICH IS THE POINT OF ALL OF THESE SUBCOMMITTEES IS THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING, SO ALL OF US DON'T HAVE TO DIG DEEPLY INTO ALL OF THE NUMBERS THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE DEALS WITH. AND THIS WOULD DO THE SAME THING, IT WOULD NOT IN ANY WAY USURP THE AUTHORITY OF MANAGEMENT HEAD OR CITY COUNCIL.

IT COULD OF WOULD JUST GIVE THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH A SPECIFIC AND SPECIAL BACKGROUND OR INTEREST IN PUBLIC SAFETY, THE ABILITY TO DIG MORE DEEPLY AND COME BACK TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL WITH ANYTHING THAT BOTH INFORMATIONAL AND, OF COURSE, IF WE FELT LIKE THERE WERE POLICY DECISIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE WOULD BE TO THE FULL COUNCIL. THE BENEFITS IS IT SAVES TIME AND ALLOWS FOR A NARROW FOCUS AND DEEPER DIVE AND FACILITATES BETTER INFORMATION. TAKES SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF CITY MANAGEMENT AND THE FULL COUNCIL, BUT IT DOES NOT GIVE, THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD NOT GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF, IT WOULD NOT SET POLICIES AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY FINAL DECISION MAKING POWER IT WOULD BE INFORMATIONAL AND ADVISORY ONLY. CHARACTERISTICS OF THE COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE REPORTED BOY AND WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL JUST LIKE OUR OTHER COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES, PROVIDE FOR FLEXIBILITY AND INTERACTING STAFF FOR INFORMATION EXCHANGE AND BRAIN STORMING IDEAS TO PRESENT TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET THE WHOLE COUNCIL TOGETHER, UP DON'T HAVE TO POST A MEETING, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, THESE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT INITIAL WORK AND THEN SAVE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SOME OF THE EFFORT. AND WE WOULD ACT OR WHOM EVER WAS POINTED WOULD ACT AS LIAISONS BETWEEN THE FULL SOWN AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. IT'S ALL ABOUT

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>> COMMITTEE CHARTER TO FUND THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND DEVELOP WRITTEN PROCEDURES AND LIMITATIONS. I'M REALLY BIG ON WRITTEN PROCEDURES, I LIKE TO HAVE THINGS IN WRITING SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY STAND AND WHAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AND WHAT THEY CAN'T DO. THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMITTEE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT WOULD INCLUDE AT A MINIMUM TWO OR THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE CITY MANAGER OR THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, WHICHEVER, YOU GUYS CAN FIGHT OVER IT. THE CHIEF OF POLICE, OF COURSE, OR HIS OR HER WERE DESIGNEE. AND, SOMETHING WE LEFT OUT AT FIRST, BUT, REALIZED ALSO NEEDED TO BE IN THERE IS THE OEM COORDINATOR, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PERSON AND THEN MAY BE FOR LATER CONSIDERATION, IF WE JUST FIND THE SCOPE IT WOULD BE THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER REPRESENTATIVE. AND THAT COMES WITHIN THAT 6-12 PEOPLE THAT IS GENERALLY ACCEPTED TO BE A GOOD, WORKING NUMBER. SO, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE STAFF, WOULD ALL WORK TOGETHER AGAIN, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS, AND ULTIMATELY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE TO FACILITATE COMMUNICATIONS, TO KEEP THE IT COMMITTEE APPRISED OF COUNCIL ACTIONS, SO, IT WOULD BE A TWO-WAY COMMUNICATIONS NOT JUST KEEPING THE COUNCIL AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO KEEPING THE DEPARTMENTS AWARE OF COUNSEL'S ACTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF AT THAT TIME. AND THEN, KEEPING THE COUNCIL APPRISED OF THE COMMITTEE'S CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE'S A KIND OF A SAMPLE AGENDA, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, SOME OF THE KINDS OF DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SUCH AS A DATE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ON THE CRIME STATS AND THE RESPONSE TIMES AND SO FORTH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON CALL STATS AND RESPONSE TIMES OF POLICE, AND STAFFING CHALLENGES, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ON THEIR TRAINING EXERCISES, AND, HELPING THE TEAM IMPACTS AND UPCOMING WEATHER SEASON AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, MAY BE DISCUSS IDEAS FOR NEW COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS AND MAY BE ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE MORE THAN JUST INFORMATIONAL, WHERE WE ACTUALLY PREPARE REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS TO THE COUNCIL SAY, THEY COME OUT WITH NEW TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR POLICE OFFICERS, WE COULD DO A REPORT ON THAT OR A SURVEY TO GAUGE THE CITIZENS SATISFACTION. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT, AGAIN, NO DECISION MAKING, JUST, BASICALLY, WORK. SO, THESE ARE THE DECISION POINTS, WOULD IT BENEFIT THE CITY COUNCIL AND COUNCIL TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE DEVOTED TO PUBLIC SAFETY MATTERS, I THINK IT WOULD. HOW BROAD SHOULD THE COMMITTEE'S SCOPE BE, LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY POLICE AND FIRE OR ALL FIRST RESPONDERS? I'M LEANING AT THIS TIME TOWARD POLICE AND FIRE, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO START WITH IT. WHAT SHOULD THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE TO BE. THAT WOULD BE THE COUNSEL'S APPOINTMENT, AND WOULD THE COMMITTEE BE A VOTING ADVISORY BODY LIKE, UM, MANY OF OUR

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>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: DEB THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN KIND OF LIKE AN UNFILLED SPOT THAT WE HAVE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES FOR, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SIZEABLE BUDGET BUT NOTHING THAT COMES CLOSE TO THE BUDGET OF OUR POLICE AND FIRE BECAUSE THEY'RE OUR MOST EXPENSIVE DEPARTMENT, SO, TO HAVE SOME INVOLVEMENT IN THAT, AND TO BRIDGE THE KNOWLEDGE GAP BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES AND CITY COUNCIL AWARENESS IS AN ABSOLUTE NEED. AND THANK YOU FOR SPEARHEADING THIS, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS PROPOSAL. I LIKE THE IDEA OF STARTING SMALLER AND YOU KNOW, NARROW SCOPE, POLICE AND FIRE, POLICE CHIEF, FIRE CHIEF, AND COORDINATOR, CITY MANAGER AND THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD START AND WE COULD SEE WHERE IT GOES

FROM THERE. >> WELL, WE HAVE SOME OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE 2 AND SOME

HAVE THREE, BUT, I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A BIGGER >> DO WE KNOW ANY OTHER CITIES

CLOSER TO THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF ROWLETT THAT'S DOING THIS? >> I THINK GARLAND WOULD BE THE

CLOSEST. >> I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE SAW SOMETHING MORE SIMILAR TO OUR

SCOPE IF THEY'VE DONE IT. >> IT'S HARD, THEY ALL HAVE THEIR ADVISORY BOARDS LISTED ON THE WEBSITE, BUT THE CITY, WE DON'T, ANYWHERE, WHERE THE CITIZENS CAN SEE WHERE THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE? THAT'S HARDER TO FIND. I KNOW WHEN I WAS (INDISCERNIBLE) WE HAD WHAT WE CALLED PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION WHICH WAS MADE UP OF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE THAT DEALT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ONE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN A SIMILAR

WAY. >> AND I SUPPORT THIS CONCEPT, BUT, YOU HAVE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR ON THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TRANSLATED INTO WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION.

>> NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY CONCERNS, OR IS THIS, SOMETHING

THAT Y'ALL CAN WORK WITH? >> I LIKE THE CONCEPT. IF IT IMPROVES THE ADVOCACY, WE'RE FOR

IT. >> I SUPPORT IT. I THINK THAT WE COULD GET THE COUNCIL FIRST-HAND BASIS ON WHAT'S GOING ON (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> IT'S MORE JUST TO EXPRESS WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE THAT Y'ALL ARE FACING TO THE GROUP AS

A WHOLE. >> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> I THINK THAT'S FAIR. >> AND IT WOULD ELIMINATE, HOPEFULLY ANY BLIND SPOTS THAT

MIGHT EXIST OR THAT MAY EXIST IN THE FUTURE. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY BLIND SPOTS. THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM.

>> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> YOU ANSWERED IT. >> I WAS WAITING ABOUT ALL YOU PUT IN HERE WAS (INDISCERNIBLE) AND I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT CITIES THAT HAVE

75,000, OR 100,000. >> AND I COULD DO DIGGING AND CALLING, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT ON THE WEBSITE OF MOST OF THEM. IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME ACTUAL TALKING TO PEOPLE.

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>> SO, DID YOU COUNT THOSE? >> (INDISCERNIBLE)

>> AS FAR AS, YOU'RE DECISION POINTS GO, I THINK NUMBER ONE ANSWERS ITSELF, NUMBER TWO, HOW BROAD OR NARROW, I AGREE, I BELIEVE POLICE AND FIRE ARE SO. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS QUESTION NUMBER 4, I THINK IS WHERE WE GET INTO KIND OF THE STICKY WICKED, IS IT, IS IT NOT INTERFERING, INTERFERING IS THE WRONG WORD, BUT IS IT PLAYING IN THE OPERATIONAL SAND BOX OR ARE WE STAYING MORE AS INFORMATION GATHERING AND SHARING, RIGHT? KIND OF GOING AROUND THAT. I HESITATE TO SUGGEST IT BE A VOTING ADVISORY BODY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THAT SAND BOX, IF IT WERE SIMILAR TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, I THINK THAT WOULD

FUNCTION REALLY WELL. >> I AGREE, I PUT IT IN THERE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO KNOW. WHEN YOU THINK OF THESE ADVISORY BODIES AS VOTING ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO ADVISE. BUT, I AGREE WITH YOU, ACTUALLY, I THINK TO KEEP IT LESS FORMAL,

TO KEEP IT LESS APT TO. >> IT WAS BE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNCIL AND I NEVER

ATTENDED IT TO PREFER TO OPERATIONS. >> IN ADVISORIES, IF IT'S SIMILAR TO FINANCE COMMITTEE AND OTHER COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES THAT WE'VE HAD, THEN, I SUPPORT IT.

I DO THINK -- >> WE'LL MAKE SURE NOT TO GET INTO YOUR LANE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, AND QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS ONE BENEFIT, SOMETIMES I THINK THAT WE COULD BE A LOT MORE CANDID AND IN THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT, WE ARE WITH FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND, UM, YET STILL KEEP DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OUT OF THE PUBLIC LIMELIGHT WHERE THEY DON'T

BELONG. >> RIGHT. >> SO, YEAH, I AGREE, KEEPING THE INFORMATION GATHERING, MORE THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN DID WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND I GUESS, APPOINTMENT COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE. I COULD TELL YOU WHO I RECOMMEND.

>> THAT'S ON THE AGENDA, ITHINK. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. OBVIOUSLY, COUNCIL MEMBER SHINDER, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON IT. I WOULD

REALLY LIKE TO BE ON IT. >> WELL, YOU'RE THE MAYOR. >> WELL, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY STILL, AND WE CAN DEBATE IT IF WE THINK IT'S STILL NEEDED, THE CGC COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE A NOW WE HAVE THIS, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD

WANT THE SAME NUMBER ON BOTH COMMITTEES. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AT A FUTURE MEETING AND WE WILL MAKE THAT DECISION THEN, COMING SOON...

>>> SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT WE

HAVE WHAT WE NEED. >> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: AND, ALL

[4. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? >> NOT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PULL, BUT I HAVE ONE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE MINUTES IN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT INCLUDING THE SUMMARY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I DIDN'T SEE ANY ON THIS VERSION OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> OUR SESSION IT WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE BROUGHT UP AT THE

MEETING (INDISCERNIBLE) >> .

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THEY WERE NOT BROUGHT UP DURING THE MEETING, WHY?

>> DURING THE MEETING, THE RESPONSE FORM WAS NOT MENTIONED AT THE MEETING.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: WAS THAT MY FAULT? >> SO, IF YOU WANT TO MENTION

THAT IN THE MEETING, IT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES, OR -- >> SO, PROPS I MISUNDERSTOOD, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING IT FOR ALL THE E-MAIL RESPONSES THAT WE RECEIVED FOR A PARTICULAR

MEETING AGENDA. >> BUT WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THE MINUTES ARE A RECORD OF THE

MEETING. AND SO IF IT WASN'T -- >> OH, I SEE. OKAY. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, BUT, CAN EVEN IF IT'S NOT EVEN IF WE DON'T SAY IT OUT LOUD, CAN WE ADD IT AS THE RECORD?

>> NOT PART OF THE MEETING. >> BUT, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO SUMMARIZE IT OUT LOUD? THAT

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WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND THEN THAT WOULD BECOME -- >>

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> AND I MAY BE WRONG, THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON THAT DAY AND GETTING EVERYTHING READY FOR THE FIRST MEETING, BUT, UM, SO, INFORMATION IS SENT TO YOU, TO HAVE BEFOREHAND, AND IF YOU WANT TO MENTION IT AT THE MEETING AND INCLUDE IT IN THE RECORD.

>> CAN WE ADOPT IT? >> WE'RE GOING BACK TO READING IT.

(MULTIPLE SPEAKERS) (INDISCERNIBLE) >> IT BECOMES PART OF THE

RECORD AND WE DON'T HAVE TO READ THROUGH IT AND DON'T NEED IT. >> WOULD YOU HIGHLIGHT IT, THAT WE RECEIVED SIX COMMENTS VIA E-MAIL, SIX IN FAVOR AND ONE RELATED TO

(INDISCERNIBLE)IN AND THREE RELATED TO? >> I MEAN, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETING, SO, THERE'S A DISCONNECT.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO IT IS MY FAULT. >> IT WAS A DISCONNECT IN COMMUNICATION AS TO WHO'LL BE RESPONSIBLE IN MAKING THAT POINT.

>> OKAY, YOU'RE THE MAYOR, THE BUCK STOPS HERE. >> IT IS YOUR FAULT.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: SO, WHEN WE GET IN THERE, CAN YOU REMIND ME OF HOW MANY OF THOSE EMAILS THAT

WE GOT. >> WE ONLY GOT ONE. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: AND IT WAS

OPPOSED? IT WAS OPPOSED AND IT WAS ON? >> TRUCK ROUTES.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: TRUCK ROUTES. THAT ONE WAS, IT WAS OPPOSED, AND OPPOSED AND WAS IN FAVOR. I SAW THAT. SO, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, I WILL REMEMBER TO MENTION THAT THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM FOR AND THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE AGAINST ACCORDING TO THE PUBLIC

COMMENTS. I WILL HANDLE THAT. >> AND I HAVE QUESTIONS ON 7B, SHOULD WE PULL THAT?

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: WHAT IS THAT ONE? >> THAT'S THE INTERNATIONAL

CODES. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: ARE THEY QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD ANSWER

RIGHT HERE? >> WE HAVE 10 MINUTES, IF NOT. I HATE TO GIVE SHORT TRIPS TO A

DOCUMENT THIS TALL. >> WE'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT. >> THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU

COVERED IN WORK SESSION? >> RIGHT. >> WE ONLY HAVE TWO ITEMS ON

THE AGENDA TONIGHT. >> WE WERE PLANNING TO ADOPT THESE

(INDISCERNIBLE) >> I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE AMENDMENTS OF THE

INTERNATIONAL CODE, >> SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. >> MAYOR MARGOLIS: THE MAN OF

THE HOUR IS HERE. >> THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE. >> HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, SINCE I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS MAY HAVE COME UP, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THEN, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO DO IT WHEN WE HAVE TIME. SOMETIMES WE DON'T AND WE HAVE TO DO IT IN THERE, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO AMEND, CHALLENGE, OR, YOU KNOW, OPPOSE, THEN, I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO DO THAT IN THE PUBLIC FORUM. INSTEAD OF PUBLIC

RESPONSE. WE NEED TO PULL THIS OFF? >> SOUNDS LIKE IT.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: OKAY, WE'RE PULLING ITEM 7B FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ANY OTHER ITEMS TO PULL? ARE YOU SURE THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT YOU COULD COVER ON SITE?

>> THERE ARE THINGS THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT ARE REALLY PUBLIC SAFETY I HAVE ISSUES.

>> MAYOR MARGOLIS: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL PULL THAT. SEEING NONE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PULL ANYTH

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