[00:00:01] SORRY ABOUT. IT IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 13TH AT 6 P.M. [1. CALL TO ORDER] AND WE ARE AT CITY HALL WITH THE PRESIDENT AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 55107, ONE OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. THIS MEETING MAY BE CONVENED INTO CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON ANY AGENDA ITEM HERE. AND THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO RECONVENE, RECESS OR REALIGN THE REGULAR SESSION OR CALL THE EXECUTIVE SESSION OR ORDER OF BUSINESS AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO ADJOURNMENT. INFORMATION ON PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE MEETING CAN BE FOUND ON THE POSTED AGENDA ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE OR HERE AT CITY HALL. THERE ARE NO EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS THIS EVENING, SO WE WILL MOVE DIRECTLY INTO THE WORK SESSION AND OUR FIRST ITEM IS ITEM THREE. [3A. Receive a presentation from the Community Improvement Project Task Force (CIPTF) related to the citizen input gathered regarding the prioritization of City Facilities for a potential May 2023 Bond Election. (45 minutes)] A RECEIVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT TASK FORCE CITF RELATED TO THE CITIZEN INPUT GATHERED REGARDING THE PRIORITIZATION OF CITY FACILITIES FOR A POTENTIAL MAY 2023 BOND ELECTION. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEE NONE. IT'S YOURS. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. ERIC ERNST IS THE CHAIR OF THE CPF, WHICH IS A LOT EASIER TO SAY THAN ALL THOSE OTHER WORDS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. I'M HERE. I'M GOING TO KICK IT OFF WITH A VERY QUICK CITYWIDE FACILITY. NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THIS IS A CULMINATION OF SEVERAL MEETINGS. COUNCIL HAD OVER 2021, EARLY, EARLY 2022, BUT I WANTED THIS COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT ALL AS WELL. IT'S VERY SHORT. IT'S A VERY SMALL SNAPSHOT OF PROBABLY THE 250 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE PACKET. THIS IS ALSO SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT THE PTF REALLY USED TO KICK OFF THEIR STUDY. AND THEN I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ERIC, WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE. HE'LL INTRODUCE HIS COMMITTEE AND HE'LL GO THROUGH WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT TONIGHT IS JUST A PRESENTATION FROM THESE GUYS FROM THE PTF. AND IN JANUARY WE WILL HAVE A FOLLOW UP VERY DETAILED WORK SESSION WHERE THIS COUNCIL DISCUSSED THE FUTURE OF FACILITIES BASED ON THE STUDY AND BASED ON THEIR FINDINGS AS THEY DID PUBLIC INPUT. SO THE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED. IT WAS FUNDED IN 2018. SO OVER 2019, 2020 AND 2021, THEY CONDUCTED THE STUDY. IT WAS A COMBINATION OF 720 DESIGN WHICH HELP WITH OUR LIBRARY STUDY. FRANKLY, SERGEANT WIGENTON ARCHITECTS WHO WORKED WITH THE REST OF OUR CITY FACILITIES. THEY ACTUALLY WENT OUT INTO THE CITY FACILITIES. THEY INTERVIEWED STAFF AND THEY REALLY LOOKED AT LONG TERM PLANS FOR EACH OF THOSE FACILITIES AND THEN BUILT THE FACILITIES. MASTER PLAN THAT YOU RECEIVED IN THE PACKET MATERIALS STUDIO WAS PART OF THAT. THEY DID ALSO HERBERT PARK, WHICH WE'LL TALK VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT AND I'LL GET STARTED AND I WILL BE QUICK. SO THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT WAS FUNDED IN THE 2018 CIP BOND. THE GOALS OF THE ASSESSMENT ARE OUTLINED THERE ALONG WITH THE DATE THAT THEY WERE COMPLETED FOR THE MOST PART. 2020 THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF A WRENCH INTO HOW WE COMPLETED THIS, BUT THEY HAD ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THEIR INTERVIEWS IN 2019, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES IN 2020. THEY ANALYZED THE CURRENT DEPARTMENTS AND DETERMINE WHAT THEIR FUTURE SPACE NEEDS WERE, REALLY CITY HALL, POLICE, FIRE, ADMINISTRATION, PARKS, PUBLIC WORKS AND COURTS. THEY DID PROJECT STAFFING NEEDS FOR THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS OF POPULATION GROWTH. THEY DETERMINED BUILDING AND PARKING NEEDS FOR STAFF AND CITY SERVICES. THEY DEVELOPED BUDGET OPTIONS AND LOOKED AT SOME ASSOCIATED SITE DEVELOPMENT EXHIBITS FOR POTENTIAL, AND THEN THEY DEVELOPED BUDGET OPTIONS. KEEP IN MIND, A LOT OF THESE WERE DEVELOPED IN 2020. I'VE WORKED WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE SOME OF THESE PRICES, CONSIDERING WHAT THEY COULD CHANGE AS WELL BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SO THE CURRENT STATUS OF FACILITIES RELET. THESE ARE THE FINDINGS DIRECTLY FROM BERKELEY, SERGEANT ROLLA. IT'S BEEN VERY EFFICIENT AND IT'S USE OF FACILITIES TODAY, BUT THE MAJORITY OF OUR FACILITIES HAVE REACHED THEIR USEFUL LIFE WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE FACILITIES TO EXTEND. THAT STAFF HAS GROWN, BUT OUR FACILITIES HAVE NOT. AND SO IN DOING THAT, OUR SUPPORT SPACES, OUR CONFERENCES, CONFERENCE ROOMS OR STORAGE ROOMS HAVE BEEN SACRIFICED TO MAKE WAY FOR NEW EMPLOYEES AS WE HAD TO GROW OUR EMPLOYEE BASE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS. AREA PROJECTIONS FOR NEW FACILITY NEEDS. WE'LL CORRECT THIS LOW STAFF TWO SQUARE FOOT RATIO WHILE PROVIDING NEEDED FUNCTIONAL SPACES FOUND IN MODERN FACILITIES. AND A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT IS OUR ANNEX BUILDING THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND OUR ANNEX BUILDING IS EARLY VOTING AND THAT DOMES EVERY MEETING WE WOULD HAVE THERE. SO WHEN WE HAVE A NIGHT LIKE TONIGHT OR WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING AND A MEETING THAT MAKES THAT VERY COMPLICATED FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, THAT IS AN EARLY VOTING LOCATION. SO THERE IS THE POPULATIONS BASED ON THE STUDY, WHAT THE CURRENT WAS IN 2019, WHICH WAS JUST ABOVE 60,000, WHERE WE WOULD BE IN 2029 AND WHERE WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE IN 2039. THESE ARE OUR CURRENT BUILDINGS, THE SIZE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THOSE, THE YEAR THEY WERE BUILT, THE YEAR THEY WERE RENOVATED, THE AGE, THE LAST BIG RENOVATION, THEY HAD [00:05:10] THE AGE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN WHERE THE LOCATION IS. SO CITY HALL COMPLEX, WHICH IS EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE, OTHER BUILDINGS, ANIMAL SHELTER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE PARKS MAINTENANCE, BUILDING FIRE ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS AT THE CORNER OF ROWLETT ROAD AND MAIN STREET PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH IS OVER AN INDUSTRIAL. AND THEN OUR POLICE BUILDING, WHICH YOU SEE THERE AS A TOTAL POLICE AND COURTS, A TOTAL OF 28,000 SQUARE FOOT. AND THEN ALSO THE LIBRARY. THE LEASE SPACE AT THE VILLAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 12,000, ABOUT 12,045 I THINK. AND THEN THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS WELL, WHICH HAS PARKS ADMIN. SO THE FACILITY DISCUSSION REALLY CENTERED AROUND WHERE POTENTIALLY WE COULD DO THE FACILITY COMPLEX, A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WAS TAKEN TO COUNCIL BACK IN 2019 AND 2020. THIS IS PUBLISHED IN OUR HEALTH PLAN AS WELL. WE OWN AN L-SHAPED PIECE PROPERTY OFF OF PGTI THAT RUNS AT THE END OF THE HIGH SCHOOL AND KIND OF DOWN BEHIND THE ROWLETT COMMUNITY CENTER. SO THE BLUE BOX IS THE ROWLETT HIGH SCHOOL PROPERTY AND KIND OF THE GRAY TAN BOXES WHERE THE COMMUNITY CENTER WET ZONE SIT. AND IT KIND OF MAKES AN L THERE. WE HAD AT THE TIME, JIM GRABBING HORSE WAS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. WE HAD JIM KIND OF GO OUT AND TALK TO SOME DEVELOPERS TO SEE IF THEY WERE GOING TO DEVELOP. WHERE WOULD THEY BE MOST INTERESTED IN? ACCORDING TO THEM, THE WEST AREA, WHICH IS THE THE AREA CLOSEST TO PJP FRONTAGE AREA, WAS THE MOST MARKETABLE TO BUSINESSES WHERE THE EAST SIDE OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MOST MARKETABLE TO MULTIFAMILY AT THAT TIME. THE EAST AREA OF THAT PROPERTY IS ABOUT 47 ACRES. THE WEST AREA IS ABOUT 24 ACRES. YOU CAN SEE THERE WHAT WE MIGHT GENERATE. AGAIN, THESE NUMBERS HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED RECENTLY, BUT WHAT WE MIGHT GENERATE IF WE WERE ABLE TO SELL THE FRONT HALF OF THAT PROPERTY, GIVEN THAT INFORMATION AND THE VERY LONG DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS MIGHT BE THE HOME TO A FUTURE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. THE STUDY WAS KIND OF BUILT AROUND SOME OF THAT AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AT THE TIME. SO INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS ARE ANOTHER ISSUE. SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE ROADS THAT GO IN THE STORMWATER, THE SEWER BRIDGE OR A CULVERT. THERE ARE SOME SOME DRAINAGE CHANNELS THROUGH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE BUILT THE STUDY BASED ON PUTTING A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX ON THE EAST SIDE. AGAIN, COUNCIL THIS COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT A WORK SESSION IN JANUARY, BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN WAS BUILT ON. SO OPTION A AND YOU'LL SEE OPTION A MAP WOULD BE ABOUT 3.4 MILLION FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND OPTION B WOULD BE VERY ROUGHLY THE SAME 3.35 MILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THIS IS HOW THEY BUILT OPTION A. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A TIE IN TO THE WET ZONE PARKING LOT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD MAKE THAT ENTRANCE OFF OF THE END OF MAIN STREET, ALSO BE ABLE TO ENTER OFF OF A ROUNDABOUT AND THEN KIND OF HOW THE BUILDINGS MIGHT FALL OUT. THAT GREEN IS A GAS LINE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SHUFFLE JUST A BIT. YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE DRAINAGE AREA THROUGH THERE THAT TIES ALL THE WAY UP TO HER PART. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE BUILT OUT THAT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY OR THAT ANY OF THAT L-SHAPED PIECE PROPERTY. SO YOU CAN SEE PARKING, LIBRARY, PUBLIC SAFETY COURTS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. OPTION B IS MORE OF A ROUND. THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. SO THERE'S NOT SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE COST. VERY SMALL DIFFERENCE. I DON'T LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE COMPARISON. SO THERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE MIGHT NEED IN 2029, WHAT WE MIGHT NEED IN 2039, AND WHERE WE SIT TODAY TILL PARKS MAINTENANCE. OUR CIPA REALLY CONSIDERED SIX FACILITIES, PARKS MAINTENANCE, A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY THAT WOULD BE POLICE AND DETENTION, FIRE ADMIN POTENTIALLY AND OTHER EOC, MUNICIPAL COURT, ANIMAL SERVICES, CITY HALL, MULTI PHASES OF A LIBRARY, AND THEN A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY WITH THEIR OFFICES AND THEN THEIR SUPPORT BUILDING. SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE SIX MAIN FACILITIES THAT WHEN THE C F WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT AND THEY HAD THE PUBLIC PRIORITIZE. SO HERE THIS ARE SOME DETAILS THAT ARE IN THE PLAN ABOUT THE DEFICIT OF SPACE AND WHERE WE SIT NOW AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOT FOR BUILDOUT AND YOU CAN SEE THERE WE'VE GOT SOME SOME MAJOR SPACE ISSUES IN A LOT OF CASES. 2020 EXISTING VERSUS 2039 PLANNED. AND THIS IS AGAIN TO DEAL WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. [00:10:03] SO WE'RE PUBLIC WORKS IS CURRENTLY ABOUT 19,288 SQUARE FOOT. IT WOULD ALMOST DOUBLE IN SIZE TO 37,000 SQUARE FOOT. SAME WITH CITY HALL ANIMAL SERVICES, AGAIN, UP 2.6. PUBLIC SAFETY AND SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THAT. THE LIBRARY GOING FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION AT ABOUT 12,000 TO POTENTIALLY 45,000. AND THEN PARKS MAINTENANCE AS WELL. THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN ABOUT 1550 SQUARE FEET. AND SO TO INCREASE THEIR SPACE FOR OFFICES AND SUCH. SO THEN WE DID THE FACILITY MASTER PLANNING KIND OF THE BUDGET AND TIMELINE. SO THESE ARE KIND OF THE MARCHING ORDERS THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL GAVE TO CIP. BACK IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH OF 2020 TO TAKE THESE SIX MAIN FACILITIES. HERE ARE THE SIX MAIN FACILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY JOINT FACILITY, CITY HALL LIBRARY, PHASE ONE ANIMAL SHELTER, PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS MAINTENANCE. THESE ARE OUR ESTIMATED COSTS. SO THE 2020 BUDGET. AND THEN WE DID ABOUT AN 8.5% INCREASE FOR A PROJECTED BUDGET. SO YOU SEE THERE 60 MILLION, 36 MILLION, 22.5, 5 MILLION FOR A POTENTIAL ANIMAL SHELTER. AND THIS IS ALL BASED ON VERY DETAILED INFORMATION THAT IS IN THE PLAN. AND HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THESE DIFFERENT NUMBERS, WHAT MIGHT BE AT THE MUNICIPAL CAMPUS, PUBLIC SAFETY CITY HALL LIBRARY, AND THEN WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, ABOUT WHERE THEY WOULD BE IF WE ENDED UP WITH DOING THOSE FIRST, THE ANIMAL SHELTER, WHERE WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY BE? A NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IF THAT WAS NEEDED, AND THEN PARKS MAINTENANCE AS WELL. AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COUNCIL CHALLENGED THE KEPT UP WITH WAS TO GO OUT AND TALK TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT HERFORD PARK. PERFECT PARK. PHASE ONE IS FUNDED. THEY HAVE THEY WILL ISSUE THE NOTICE TO PROCEED ON THE FIRST PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION ON JANUARY THE THIRD. SAFETY FENCING WILL GO UP ON JANUARY THE FIFTH AND THEY WILL START DEMOLITION VERY QUICKLY THEREAFTER. SO THERE'S TWO REMAINING PHASES THAT NEED TO GET DONE. AND WITH THE PARKS BOND NOT PASSING IN MAY 2021, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF FINISHING THIS PARK AND THE THE BENEFIT IT HAS TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND DEVELOPING DOWNTOWN. AND SO THIS WAS PHASE ONE. IT'S IT'S REALLY DIVIDED INTO THREE SECTIONS. THE CENTRAL GREEN IS PHASE ONE, ACTIVE PLAY IS PHASE TWO AND MAIN STREET IS PHASE THREE. AND THE REASON IT WAS BROKEN OUT LIKE THAT IS WE HAVE SOME CURRENT ELEMENTS IN THE ACTIVE PLAY ZONE THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE DID NOT SHUT DOWN DURING THE PROCESS. SO THE DOG PARKS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP TENNIS COURTS AND THE DOG PARK OPEN WHILE WE WORKED ON IN THE MIDDLE PHASE, WHICH IS PHASE ONE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF LAND SCULPTING TO GET IT TO A BIG OPEN EVENT AREA. SO PHASE ONE WILL INCLUDE TEARING DOWN FIELDS, SCULPTING LAND. IT'S ESTIMATED AT ABOUT 1.8 MILLION. THE FIRST ROUND OF THAT CONSTRUCTION, LIKE I SAID, IS DONE AND IT SHOULD START LATE 22, EARLY 23. ACTIVE PLAY IS THE BACK HALF OF THAT. IT WILL INCLUDE SOME MORE LAND SCULPTING, TEARING DOWN THE REMAINING BALL FIELDS. THERE'S AN ADVENTURE PLAYGROUND. THERE'S PICKLEBALL COURTS AND TENNIS COURTS. THERE'S OPEN LAWN SPACE, THERE'S A SPLASH PAD, THERE'S A HALF COURT BASKETBALL AGAIN HERE. BACK WHEN WE DID THIS, IT WAS ESTIMATED THAT EACH PHASE WOULD COST ABOUT 1.8 MILLION. TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING CLOSER TO PROBABLY TO 2.4 OR EVEN 2.6. AND PHASE THREE IS THE AREA CLOSEST TO MAIN STREET, WHICH HAS A GAME LAWN AND AGILITY COURSE, RESTROOM FACILITIES, MAIN PLAZA CONSTRUCTION. AND IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT WE CAN USE OUR CURRENT STAGE. WE HAVE PLACES FOR FOOD TRUCKS TO PARK, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. SO I'M NOW GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ERIC AND ERIC IS GOING TO DO HIS PRESENTATION ON ALL THE WORK THAT PTF DID AND WHAT THEIR FINDINGS ARE. THIS TEAM AND HE'LL SAY THIS, BUT THIS TEAM ATTENDED OVER 40 EVENTS FROM FEBRUARY TO NOVEMBER, SO IT WAS A MAJOR UNDERTAKING, WELL POSITIONED OURSELVES FOR RUNNING FOR COUNCIL IPADS. JUST KIDDING. ALL RIGHT. SO WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THE FINDINGS THAT WE HAD FROM OUR TASK FORCE AND THE RESULTS OF THAT. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMITTEE. ERIC HEARD FROM THE CHAIR. JEFF SHOOK OUR COMMITTEE AND MY FOLKS BEHIND ME, JEFF SHELDON, RICHARD FORD, ASA HADSALL, BRIAN HANSON, RICHARD COLE, MISSY, NEW MICHAEL, MIKE. COULDN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT ALL THE EFFORT AND HOURS AND HARD WORK THAT THIS GROUP PUT TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, NOT ALL THE EVENTS HAD GOOD WEATHER OR OR THINGS LIKE THAT WE WERE OUT THERE REGARDING. SO A LOT OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND FOR THIS AND TRULY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. [00:15:02] SO KIND OF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF OUR COMMITTEE IS FORMED IN MAY 2022. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LITTLE BIT. OUR CHARGES WERE GATHERING CITIZEN INPUT ON PRIORITIZING THE FACILITIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE EARLIER PRESENTATION FOR CONSTRUCTION. ALSO GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE TAXPAYERS ON POTENTIAL TAX INCREASES OR TAX INCREASES OR NOT TO PAY FOR THE FACILITIES AND THEN GETTING FEEDBACK ON THE HURFORD PARK UPGRADES. SO HOW WE DID THIS, A SURVEY WAS CREATED. THANK YOU STAFF FOR FOR DOING THAT SURVEY WAS CREATED TO GATHER INFORMATION QUICKLY AND EASILY. THE KIOSKS WERE IN SEVERAL PLACES. THEY WERE IN CITY HALL, THEY WERE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THEN WE HAD A BOOTH AT CITY EVENTS APPROXIMATELY 20. I THINK IT WAS MORE THAN THAT, BUT APPROXIMATELY 20 EVENTS WHERE WE WOULD GO OUT AND ACTIVELY SOLICIT FOLKS TO TAKE THE SURVEY AND GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK. AND THIS WAS ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE CITY WEBSITE. SO IF ANYBODY CHOSE TO GO OUT THERE AND JUST PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK THERE AND TAKE THE SURVEY, THEY COULD. SO IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND VIEW THE TWO VIDEOS OF THE CURRENT FACILITIES THAT WERE DONE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEY'RE ON YOUTUBE AND A LOT OF EFFORT WAS PUT IN AND THEY'RE VERY INTERACTIVE BESIDES THAT. SO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK. WE ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE MADE PRESENTATIONS TO ALL THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO ENCOURAGE THEIR MEMBERSHIP TO GET OUT THERE AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK, AS WELL AS THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON IT AS WELL. SO SOME OF THE GENERAL INFORMATION ON THE SURVEYS SURVEYS WERE THE SURVEY WAS OPEN BETWEEN MAY AND OCTOBER OF 2022. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE RESULTS WERE SOLICITED. RESULTS MEANING IT WAS WHEN WE WERE ACTIVELY AT EVENTS AND APPROACHING THE PUBLIC AND SAYING, HEY, ARE YOU A RESIDENT? INTERESTING LOOKS AND FEEDBACK JUST FROM THAT FIRST QUESTION. WE'RE NOT SELLING ANYTHING. BUT THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE RESPONSES WERE. AS WE SAID, THEY COULD ALSO FIND A LINK ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. SO OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SOLICITED, WE HAD 480 RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY. 475 RESPONDENTS INDICATED THEY WERE ROWLETT RESIDENTS, AND THREE RESPONDENTS INDICATED THEY WERE NOT ROWLETT RESIDENTS, AND TWO RESPONDS TO NOT ANSWER THE RESIDENCY QUESTION. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK ON THAT. IF YOU RESPONDED THAT YOU WERE NOT A ROWLETT RESIDENT, IT WOULD TAKE YOU IMMEDIATELY TO I THINK IT WAS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND THAT THAT WAS THE END OF IT. SO IT WASN'T LIKE YOU COULD SAY, I'M NOT A ROWLETT RESIDENT AND THEN CONTINUE THROUGH AND TAKE THE COMPLETE SURVEY. SO WE ANALYZED THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY USING THE 475 RESPONDENTS WHO SAID THAT THEY WERE RESIDENTS AND BROKE THE SURVEY DOWN TO THREE THEMES. ONE WAS THE RANKING OF THE PROJECTS THAT THAT LITERALLY MEANS OR ACTUALLY MEANS WHAT THE RESIDENTS SAID WERE MOST IMPORTANT TO THEM AS FAR AS FACILITIES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OR UPGRADED. THE SECOND THEME WAS THE TAX RATE AND FUNDING. AND THEN THE THIRD SURVEY THEME WAS HERFORD PARK. AND WE'LL GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT EACH OF THESE AREAS. SO WE DISCUSSED BEFORE THESE WERE THE PROJECTS TO BE RANKED BY PRIORITY. I WILL SAY AS MUCH AS I THOUGHT I KNEW ABOUT THE CITY FACILITIES GOING INTO THIS, WHEN WE REALLY STARTED TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE LESSER KNOWN POLICE AND FIRE OR PARKS, MAINTENANCE, ETC. I GOT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE CITY EMPLOYEES WHO MAKE IT WORK BECAUSE SOME OF IT WAS JUST, WOW, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? BUT I DIGRESS. SO PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE, FIRE COURTS, THESE WERE THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THESE WERE THE ESTIMATED DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THOSE VARIOUS PROJECTS AT 60.1 MILLION CITY HALL AT 36 MILLION LIBRARY, PHASE ONE AT 22 AND ONE HALF MILLION, ANIMAL SHELTER AT 5.3 MILLION, PUBLIC WORKS AT 15.3 MILLION AND PARKS MAINTENANCE AT 4 MILLION. NOW, THESE ARE NOT THE THE PRIORITY ORDER. THIS IS JUST REVIEW OF WHAT WE WERE GETTING REQUESTING FEEDBACK ON FROM THE RESPONDENTS. WE USED AN AVERAGE METHODOLOGY ON THIS. SO CITIZENS WERE ASKED TO SCORE EACH PROJECT ONE THROUGH SIX, WITH ONE BEING THEIR TOP PRIORITY AND SIX BEING THEIR LOWEST PRIORITY. AND THEN WE TOOK THE AVERAGE OF ALL THE RESPONSES BY PROJECT. SO THE LOWEST, AVERAGE, LOWEST AVERAGE NUMBER WAS ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. AND HOW THAT BROKE OUT IS PUBLIC SAFETY. [00:20:01] POLICE, FIRE AND COURTS WAS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY, FOLLOWED BY THE ANIMAL SHELTER, THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, THE MAIN PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, PARKS DEPARTMENT MAINTENANCE, THE ONE OVER IT, SPRINGFIELD COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. CITY HALL AND THEN THE LIBRARY, PHASE ONE. WANT US TO PAUSE THERE A SECOND. YEAH. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO SEND THIS TO COUNCIL, RIGHT? SURE. RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. WHAT'S CLICKING? ERIC WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAD HAD RESIDENTS OR RESPONDENTS WORK RANK THE PROJECTS, THEY WERE RANKING THOSE SIX PROJECTS, THEY COULDN'T RANK THE SAME NUMBER ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. SO THEY HAD TO THEY HAD TO DEFINE WHAT WAS THEIR ONE, WHAT WAS TWO, WHAT WAS THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, ETC.. SO THEY COULDN'T RANK MULTIPLE SIXES OR ONES. OH I. FAIR QUESTION. NO, I FIGURED IT OUT ON MY OWN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT THEME WAS THE TAX RATE AND FUNDING. SO THE TAX RATE QUESTIONS WERE BROKEN INTO TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. ONE WAS JUST A STRAIGHT UP, DO YOU SUPPORT A TAX RATE INCREASE? AND THE OPTIONS PROVIDED WERE YES, $0.06. YES. $0.05. YES. $0.04. NO. NONE AT ALL. MAYBE BLANK. AND THEN THAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RESPONDENTS. IF WE LOOK AT THAT, 90 19% OF RESPONDENTS SAID THEY WOULD SUPPORT A 6% SIX CENT INCREASE, 6% AT $0.05, 24%, $0.04, 26% SAID NO OR NONE AT ALL. AND THEN 24% RESPONDED. MAYBE THE NEXT QUESTION ASKED WOULD YOU SUPPORT A TAX RATE? WOULD YOU SUPPORT AN INCREASE IF THE TAX RATE WAS DECREASED? JUST A NOTE ON THIS. THIS WAS PRIOR TO THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET BEING COMPLETED. SO AT THE TIME THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE OF A TAX RATE CHANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT'S INTERESTING HERE TO SEE THE CHANGE IN THE NUMBERS. IT WAS MORE SIGNIFICANT, I THINK, THAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT PRIOR TO SEEING THE RESULTS. BUT IF THERE WAS A TAX RATE DECREASE, THE YES, $0.06 WENT UP TO 24%. THE YES, $0.05 WENT DOWN THE YES, $0.04 STAYED THE SAME. BUT THE NO OR NOT AT ALL WENT DOWN BY APPROXIMATELY 10% AND THE MAYBES WENT UP BY 5%. SO THAT COULD ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THE DIFFERENTIATION. BUT I, I MEAN, THE NUMBERS, I THINK, SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES WITHOUT CONJECTURE. AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT TO ABSORB THERE. YOU WANT ME TO HOLD FOR A MINUTE OR ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OKAY, SO THE STATISTICIAN IN ME SAYS ANYTIME YOU HAVE A DOUBLE BELL CURVE OR SOMETHING FUNKY WITH THE RESPONSES, RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A BELL, A BIG BELL BETWEEN. NO, NONE AT ALL, MAYBE. AND YES, $0.04, RIGHT? THAT'S A BIG BELL. THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER BELL WITH AT $0.06. AND THAT COULD INDICATE THAT OUR RESPONSES MAY NOT. BE AS GOOD AS WITH A BLACK EYE. I THINK IN GENERAL AND THIS IS, AGAIN, CONJECTURE ON MY PART. WHEN WE GET INTO QUESTIONS LIKE THIS OR SURVEY RESULTS, I THINK THEY TEND TO BE POLARIZING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. SO. I THINK YOU MIGHT EXPECT A DOUBLE BELL ON EACH END OF THE SPECTRUM. BUT YEAH, WE DO HAVE THE RAW DATA AVAILABLE. ANY COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT AFTERWARDS. WE HAVE ALL THE SURVEY RESPONSES INDIVIDUALLY. YOU CAN DO THAT. GREAT. AND THAT WASN'T A CRITICISM OF YOU GUYS AS WELL. NO, I UNDERSTAND. NO, NO. JUST AN OBSERVATION. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO IF THEY WERE JUST THE PRESENTER OF THE DAY. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO IF WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE ANALYSIS ON THIS, TAX RATES, APPROXIMATELY 24% OF RESPONDENTS SAID THEY WOULD SUPPORT NO TAX INCREASE IF THE TAX RATE REMAINS THE SAME. ANOTHER ONE COAUTHOR, THOUGH, RESPONDED MAYBE TO AN INCREASE. SO PERHAPS AS DATA BECOMES MORE FORMALIZED OR STRUCTURE NUMBERS ARE THERE THAT MAYBES COULD MOVE ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER. SO THE RESPONDENTS WHO DID SAY THEY WOULD SUPPORT AN INCREASE WITH WITH THE TAX RATE REMAIN IN THE SAME. THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF ALL THE RESPONDENTS WAS 4.9 CENTS. SO ON THE SECOND PART, THE TAX RATE WAS REDUCED. THE RESPONDENTS REPLIED THEY WOULD NOT SUPPORT AN INCREASE DECREASE TO 15%. THE MAYBES INCREASED TO 29% AND THEN THE RESPONDENTS WOULD SUPPORT A FOUR CENT INCREASE REMAINED THE SAME, FIVE CENT WENT UP 7% AND SIX CENT INCREASE WENT UP TO 24%. SO WITH THE QUESTION BEING POSED, THE TAX RATE WAS REDUCED, THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF RESPONDENTS INCREASED TO $0.05. [00:25:09] SO THE SURVEYS WAS PRETTY MUCH DONE AFTER 2822 PHRASES CAME OUT RIGHT. THOSE WERE OUT IN, I THINK, APRIL. RIGHT. MOST OF THEM WERE DONE. MOST OF THE SURVEYS WERE DONE IN MAY TO. LATE SEPTEMBER. SO PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR APPRAISALS. YEAH, BY THAT TIME THEY WOULD HAVE. SO JUST KIND OF A COUPLE OF REVIEW THINGS. THE RATES REDUCED. THE AVERAGE OF $0.05 IS USED AS A BENCHMARK. YOU KNOW, JUST TAKING THE STRAIGHT NUMBERS WOULD RESULT IN 50, $50 MILLION OF BOND FUNDS BEING AVAILABLE FOR PROJECTS ASSUMING THE BALLOT INITIATIVE PASSES. THE SURVEY RESULT DOES NOT SUPPORT THE MOST FAVORED PROJECT PUBLIC SAFETY AT 60.1 MILLION. THE INITIATIVE COULD BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT FOR SIX CENT INCREASE IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS TO GO TO FUND THE FIRST CHOICE OR A COMBINATION OF SECONDARY PROJECTS TOTALING 50 MILLION COULD BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT. SO. THAT'S JUST THE DATA, HOW IT CAME OUT. SO THE HERFORD PARK RANKINGS, THIS WAS KIND OF ISOLATED AS A SEPARATE PART OF THE SURVEY. THE QUESTION RELATED TO HERFORD PARK WAS WOULD YOU SUPPORT A TAX INCREASE TO COMPLETE THE PARK? 141 CITIZENS SAID YES TO THE FULL PROJECT, OR ABOUT 30%. 105 CITIZENS OR APPROXIMATELY 22% SAID YES, BUT ONLY FOR PHASE TWO. AND THEN WE HAD ABOUT 18% SAY MAYBE, AND 145 CITIZENS OR 30% SAYING. WELL. I HAVE ONE MORE. SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU ALL DID. AND THIS IS GOING TO HELP US. DETERMINE THE PATH FOR FUTURE OF OUR FACILITIES. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING DECISION. WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. ON WHERE WE MOVE FORWARD. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'D LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO BE A PARTNER IN THAT AND. EITHER AT THE MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL. ABSOLUTELY. WE THINK WE HAVE A WE'RE WORKING ON A SPECIAL WORK SESSION IN JANUARY AND THE COMMITTEE WILL STAY INTACT SO THAT THE WEEK AFTER THE RESULTS OF THE DECISION THAT COUNCIL MAKES, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO CONTINUE THE EDUCATION PROCESS. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE ABOUT THIS PROCESS OR ANY OBSERVATIONS YOU ALL HAVE ABOUT HOW YOU PERCEIVE HOW THE PUBLIC TOOK IT PERSONALLY? ANY ANYBODY ONE TAKE AWAY, IF I MAY? NO. WE DISCOVERED THAT WE HAD A TREMENDOUS PUBLIC RESPONSE TO THIS. WAY MORE THAN WE EXPECTED, I THINK, TO WEIGH MORE THAN WE. THESE KINDS OF. SIR, PLEASE. SO WE HAD QUITE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED. IT WAS A GOOD CAUSE. DID YOU NOTICE ANY KIND OF ANYTHING STICKING OUT TO YOU WHEN YOU WERE ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE, WAS THERE A NORMAL RESPONSE TO THESE QUESTIONS? BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING TO THEM. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY THEY'RE PROBABLY ASKING YOU QUESTIONS. I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THE SURVEY WITH THE RESPONDENTS AT THE TIME AND WE SIMPLY ENCOURAGED THEM TO TAKE. GOTCHA. THE SURVEY. DISCUSSING IT. YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. YEAH. I'LL MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THE PARTICULARLY ON THE PUBLIC WORKS PART OF IT. IN TALKING TO PEOPLE, THEY RATED PRETTY HIGH. BUT IN TALKING TO PEOPLE, THERE IS KIND OF A DISCONNECT. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FACILITIES. PEOPLE WERE HEARING PUBLIC WORKS AND THINKING ALLEYS AND STREETS. AND I'M PRETTY CONVINCED THAT AND WE TRY TO KIND OF EXPLAIN IT, BUT IT WAS A PRETTY SHORT INTERACTION THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE. BUT I KNOW FROM MY OWN SURVEY AND TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT THAT WAS ONE THING WHERE I KIND OF THOUGHT, YEAH, MAYBE THIS IS A LITTLE SKEWED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO RANK HERE. SO IF I MAKE ONE COMMENT, THAT MIGHT BE. AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEOS. THOSE ARE PRETTY AWESOME. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO END UP USING THOSE VIDEOS FOR IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A FACILITY OR TWO AND WE'LL GET WITH OUR AGENT, WE'LL WORK ON THE PRICE. AND THOSE VIDEOS ARE A GREAT WAY TO REALLY TELL THE STORY ABOUT THE CONDITION RIGHT ON THE SIDE WITH THESE GUYS OUT THERE. [00:30:01] AND THERE WERE TWO OR THREE AT EVERY EVENT WITH IPADS ROUNDED PEOPLE UP. IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN THE BREVITY OF A SITUATION IN THAT LONG ON SITE. AND SO BRYAN AND ACER REALLY JUMPED ON THE VIDEO AND WORKED WITH DREW AND TO BE ABLE TO TELL US THAT SIDE OF THE STORY. AND THEN THAT WAS KIND OF TIED TO MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE WENT TO THE WEBSITE TO FILL OUT A SURVEY, THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION OF THIS PLACE. ALSO, SHOUT OUT TO LAURA SET UP AT THESE EVENTS. I KNOW YOU WERE OUT THERE SETTING UP TENTS AND. YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONE BIT OF FEEDBACK THAT I WE NEED TO GET A BETTER HAND-OFF WAY. WE'LL COME UP WITH THAT. WE HAD A CAR, WE HAD A WAGON THAT HAD A LITTLE STUFF IN IT AND TRYING TO COORDINATE THIS WAGON PASS. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE TEAM. THEY DID AN AWFUL GOOD JOB. INCREDIBLE JOB OVER A LOT OF EVENTS, GIVING UP THEIR TIME, STANDING IN THE HEAT, THE 4TH OF JULY AND ALL THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. GREAT JOB. AND. I DO THINK WE WE GOT A REALLY GOOD CROSS SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL, BECAUSE DEPENDING ON THE EVENT, REALLY, YOU HAD A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ANSWERING, WHETHER IT WAS THE THE MOVIES. YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A LOT OF FAMILY OUT THERE. THE CONCERTS, TYPICALLY MORE MATURE GROUP, 4TH OF JULY. IT'S IT'S FREE FOR ALL THE FARMER'S MARKETS AND STUFF. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT WAS A REALLY GOOD CROSS SECTION. I THINK WE GOT A GOOD SAMPLING. YEAH. IT WASN'T JUST CITY FOLKS. IT WAS RIGHT. IT WAS REAL PEOPLE. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY? WHAT THE PERCENTAGE WAS BETWEEN WHO? JUST PEOPLE WHO WENT STRAIGHT TO THE WEBSITE VERSUS THOSE AT THE EVENTS. BECAUSE I HATE TO BE DISAGREEABLE, BUT I DO DISAGREE THAT WOW, PEOPLE DID SELF-SELECT BECAUSE WHAT WE GOT WAS PRIMARILY A SURVEY OF PEOPLE WHO GO TO EVENTS AND NOT A SURVEY OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T GO TO EVENTS. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TRACK EACH OF THE DAY BY DAY OF THE EVENTS AGAINST THAT. BUT BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT JUST TO SEE, I ALWAYS SENSE IT. WHO WHO FILLS OUT A CONSUMER SATISFACTION SURVEY. THOSE WHO ARE VERY HAPPY OR THOSE WHO ARE VERY UNHAPPY. RIGHT. A BIG MIDDLE IS WHO YOU'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE. AND TO THE DEGREE WE CAN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DO SO BECAUSE THAT'S, I THINK, IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE MAJORITY OF WHO WE'RE TRYING TO TO SERVE. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT UP ON THE SURVEY, WHICH IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO LOOK AT. THAT IS I THINK TONIGHT IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY, TRYING TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE THE ONE WE'RE GOING TO WORK SESSION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN JANUARY IS GOING TO BE REALLY DEEP INTO ALL OF THIS, JUST JUST A HEADS UP. SO I HAD SENT ERIC SOME QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE AND HE WAS VERY GOOD AT RESPONDING TO ALL OF THOSE AND DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO MENTION ANY OF THOSE, BUT I THINK THEY WERE APPROPRIATE RESPONSES. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THAT. YOU ADDRESS THE ONE OF THE PRESENTATION ABOUT RESIDENTS AND NON RESIDENTS AND WHETHER WE HAD A FEEL FOR THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS AS OPPOSED TO NUMBER OF PEOPLE. AGAIN, THAT COMES INTO PLAY IN SELECTION. AND THEN I FORGET WE ALSO HAD ON HERE, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE. AND EVEN EVEN THOUGH I SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO REPLY TO ME, I ASKED IT. WE KICKED AROUND THE IDEA OF ASKING FOR ADDRESSES. IT TENDS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE EITHER NOT TO PUT IT IN OR NOT TO PARTICIPATE. AND SO AT THE END OF IT IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE'LL ASK RESIDENT OR NOT RESIDENT LAURA. LAURA WENT BACK AND FORTH. WE DID A DOZEN PRACTICE SURVEYS BEFORE WE SETTLED ON ONE. IT WAS IT DISABLED THE ABILITY TO STACK THE VOTE. SO ONE EMAIL, ONE RESPONSE PER EMAIL ADDRESS. SO IF YOU WERE REALLY DEDICATED TO STACKING, YOU COULD GO CREATE SEVERAL AND FINISHING. IS THAT IMPORTANT TO YOU? I THINK I RECALL ANSWERING SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE POPPED UP PROBABLY ON FACEBOOK ABOUT WHY DO I HAVE TO PROBE MY EMAIL? WELL, SO CAN ONLY PROVIDE ONE RESPONSE FOR ANGIE OR ERIC. HOW MANY PEOPLE TOOK IT ONLINE VERSUS IN PERSON? WHAT WAS THAT BREAKDOWN OUT OF THE 500? YOU'LL HAVE IT ALL ONLINE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PAPER SURVEYS, SO IT WAS ALL OKAY. SO AT THE MEETINGS WHEN YOU WERE ENCOURAGING IT TO DO IT, I GOT THERE. WE GOT A QR CODE WHERE THEY COULD SCAN AND SAY, OKAY, RIGHT, OKAY, GET UP WITH THE TIME SPRITE. THE QR CODE WAS AWESOME BECAUSE PEOPLE, THEY COULD JUST HAVE THE FLIERS. AND YOU KNOW, REAL QUICK, WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS THAT YOU LIKE WORTH WITH WI FI. AND SO IT WAS REAL EASY FOR SOMEBODY TO WALK BY AND JUST SCAN THAT AND DO IT RIGHT ON THEIR OWN PHONE. [00:35:01] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. GREAT JOB. THESE GUYS KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK. CREDIT GOES TO THESE FOLKS BACK HERE. WE'LL MAKE SURE TO SEND ALL THE INVITE TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, I'LL PROBABLY ASK THROUGHOUT THE MEETING IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY INPUT. YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE PART OF THIS PROCESS FROM THE BEGINNING. SO Y'ALL'S INPUT AT THE TABLE, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING WE MIGHT DO IT ON THE 17TH. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL WORK SESSION TO DO THAT, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE DATES. YEP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW HE'S COME BACK. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT ITEM, OUR NEXT ITEM IS I GUESS I'M PRESENTING THIS RIGHT? I HAVE A SIGN THAT HAS BORDERS. OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM THREE. [3B. Discuss an update to the Rowlett logo. (20 minutes) ] B, DISCUSS AN UPDATE TO THE RABBIT LOGO. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ERIC AHRENS NO, NO. JUST LEAVE IT THERE. JUST LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET THAT. YOU'VE SEEN THE PACKET. WE SO THE CURRENT LOGO WE'VE HAD IS WE'VE HAD IT FOR SINCE BEFORE I WAS BORN. SO IT'S NOT VERY HARD TO REMIND GOLF. EARLY NINETIES, EARLY NINETIES. AND I BET OUR NEW CHIEF DOESN'T KNOW THIS, BUT OUR OLD POLICE CARS, BACK WHEN WE ADOPTED THE FIRST LEG, THE RED AND GREEN LOGO ARE RED AND MAROON. I DON'T KNOW. OUR POLICE CARS WERE RED AND MAROON, WILD, CRAZY ANYWAYS, SO I JUST FIGURED THAT WAS AN INTERESTING FACT. SO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE'RE IN 2022, ABOUT TO ENTER 2023, IT MIGHT BE TIME TO KIND OF FRESHEN OUR LOOK A LITTLE BIT, GET AWAY FROM THE GREEN AND MAROON THAT REALLY HAS NO ASSOCIATION TO WHAT RULE. IT REALLY IS BLUE. WE'RE ON THE WATER. MAKES LITTLE SENSE. DOING A WHOLESALE CHANGE OF THE LOGO IS A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF DISCUSSION. YOU'RE STARTING TO GET INTO ACTUAL FISCAL IMPACT. YOU HAVE TO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO. EVERY BUSINESS CARD, EVERY EVERY PIECE OF PAPER, EVERYTHING HAS TO CHANGE WITH A WHOLESALE CHANGE OF A LOGO WITH A COLOR DIFFERENTIATION, IT'S NOT AS NOT AS IMPACTFUL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY MAKE CHANGES. YOU CAN KIND OF ADOPT CHANGES OVER TIME WHEN YOU'RE BUYING NEW SUPPLIES OR GETTING NEW VEHICLES OR REPAINTING THE WATER TOWER. SO YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY IMMEDIATE CHANGES WITH A COLOR CHANGE. SO WITH THAT, HERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS. IF THERE WAS INTEREST FROM COUNCIL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHOLESALE LOGO CHANGE, GREAT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. IF Y'ALL ARE MORE INTERESTED IN JUST A COLOR PALETTE CHANGED AND THAT'S THAT'S THIS CONVERSATION HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST FOR FOR THE FOR THAT COLOR THAT'S THE COST WOULD BE NOMINAL. SO AS WE PURCHASE NEW VEHICLES, EVERY VEHICLE HAS A LOGO. INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE THAT COLOR, IT WOULD HAVE ONE IN THE NEW CODE OVER TIME, THINGS LIKE WATER TOWER AS THEY WERE REPAINTED AND THE SIGN ON THE HALF WALL OUT AT THE ROUNDABOUT. JUST OVER TIME THOSE THINGS WOULD BE A LOT OF OUR LETTERHEAD NOW IS DIGITAL AS WE ORDER NEW BUSINESS CARDS INSTEAD OF THE. FOREST GREEN IN MAROON, THEY WOULD BE A NEW COLOR. SO WITH THIS KIND OF CHANGE, IT WILL BE VERY SLOW AND IT WOULD BE STICKERS WE HAD TO BUY ANYWAY. WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET THEM IN A DIFFERENT COLOR. SO WE'RE NOT DOING WHOLESALE CHANGE. IT'S NOT A SWITCH. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU FLIP A SWITCH AND IT'S ALL DIFFERENT TOMORROW. IT'S IT'S JUST ADOPTING A CHANGE OVER TIME WHEN YOU'RE BUYING THINGS. SO REALLY, I WOULDN'T SAY THERE IS REALLY A COST. EVERYTHING COST. IT WOULD COST THE SAME IF WE DID FOUR SCREEN IN THE ROOM. RIGHT. SO HOW, HOW OFTEN DO WE REPAINT THE WATER TOWERS? THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGER TICKET ITEMS. RONNIE YES. HOW OFTEN DO WE REPAINT THE WATER TOWERS? IT IS SLATED FOR JESUS, THE NEXT ONE, AND IT'S SLATED FOR NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THERE YOU LOOK COMES TWO YEARS AFTER THAT. SO THEY'RE PRETTY FAR APART, PROBABLY EVERY TEN YEARS. YEAH, BUT YOU STILL HAVE CITIES LIKE GARLAND WHO HAS A WATER TOWER WITH THEIR OWN LOGO. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS WILL BE LESS OBVIOUS. IT WON'T BE COMPLETELY OBVIOUS TO THE BIG GUY THAT THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE OF THE LOGO. I MEAN, UNLESS YOU KNOW THE ORIGINAL COLORS, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO SEE A DIFFERENCE. [00:40:01] AND A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE IS IF YOU PULL UP OUR WEBSITE. THIS ONE OFF THE BOTTOM CORNER FIT BETTER WITH THE COLOR SCHEME OF OUR WEBSITE WHERE WE REDID IT. SO THAT IS THE PROMINENT LOGO ON THE WEBSITE TODAY IS THAT BLOOM IN THIS BOTTOM CORNER. IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S WHAT FIT BETTER. WHEN THEY REDID THE WEBSITE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YOU'LL SEE THAT SAME COLOR ON OUR PACKETS. YOU KNOW, THE THING IS WE COUNCIL IS NOT REALLY MADE THAT DECISION. SO THE CHANGE JUST KIND OF NATURALLY HAPPENED. SO NOW IT'S IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. SO WITH THAT, I WASN'T SURE HOW WE WANTED TO DO THIS. I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN EITHER GO AROUND THE ROOM AND GET YOUR OPINION ON YOUR FIRST AND SECOND CHOICE. YOU WANT TO WRITE THAT DOWN? OR IF THOSE ARE NOT YOUR FIRST CHOICE, THEN YOUR FIRST CHOICE IS TO DO A WHOLESALE CHANGE OR KEEP IT THE SAME. THAT'S A CHOICE TO. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING FIRST, BUDDY. DO WE KNOW WHERE THE GREEN ROOM CAME FROM? SO WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH. WE GOT THAT TO GIVE UP FOR THE FIRST ONE. 1997 WAS THE MOST RECENT UPDATE THAT DENISE AND I THINK STACY COULD FIND. AND FOR SURE, THAT'S WHEN THEY ADDED TEXT. BUT THEY WENT BACK AS FAR AS 1985, AND IN MOST THINGS IT WAS MAROON FOR SURE. SO IT'S PROBABLY BEEN THAT SINCE. WELL, NO, BECAUSE THERE WAS A DIFFERENT THERE WAS A DIFFERENT LOGO BEFORE. AND TO ME, IT'S NOT A LOGO CHANGE. NO, IT'S NOT ME. IT'S, IT'S AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A COLOR CHANGE. I THINK WHAT YOU DO IS YOU COME UP WITH A PALETTE OF COLORS THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THE LOGO IN. AND THEN, AS ANGIE SAID, WHATEVER MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEAL, YOU CAN USE IT BECAUSE I STILL LIKE THE MAROON AND FOREST GREEN. WE'RE ALREADY USING THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM. THAT ONE MAKES SENSE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BLUE WITH THE MAROON ON THERE. THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT COLOR IS THE YELLOW. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. BLUE BECAUSE ON THE WATER. SO THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. BUT I THINK YOU HOLD THAT TRADITION OF THE OLD ONE AND YOU JUST ADD ANOTHER ACCEPTABLE COLOR AND THEN YOU CAN USE IT BASED ON WHAT MAKES SENSE. THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO SWITCH EVERYTHING OUT, BUT YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO GO WITH THIS OTHER COLOR IF IT MAKES SENSE IN ORDER TO DESIGN YOU'RE DOING. THAT'S MY TAKE. REGARDLESS OF THE COLOR, COUNCIL DECIDES ON DENISE PERRIN, WE'LL COME UP WITH THE EXACT PMS COLOR THAT THAT IS AND MAKE SURE THAT GOING FORWARD IT IS THE SAME PMS COLOR. WE HAVE THAT NOW FOR THE BURGUNDY AND FOR GREEN. AND SO SHE WOULD DO THE. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME DIFFERENT COLOR BLUES. A BRIGHT BLUE, KIND OF A SMOKY BLUE. SHE WOULD COME UP WITH THAT SPECIFIC COLOR. SO EVERYBODY, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO COMPLICATE THINGS? JUST GIVE ME YOUR FIRST SECOND. I LIKE THE MAROON SWOOSH, AND THEN I LIKE THE ALL BLUE. SO I THINK IF YOU KEEP THE GO WITH THE THE FOREST GREEN OR THE BOTTOM LEFT BLUE OR KEEP THAT BLUE WITH THE MAROON SWOOSH AND THOSE ARE YOUR OPTIONS, THEN YOU CAN PULL IN THAT WATER PIECE OF IT. AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY. SO YOUR FIRST OPTION IS THE BOTTOM LEFT. AND THEN THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS YOUR SECOND OPTION IS THAT YOU WANT TO USE THREE ON ONE EXCEPT FOR THE BRIGHTER BLUE. I DON'T LIKE THE BLACK OR BLUE. I LIKE IT. YEAH, YEAH, I LIKE DARKER BLUE WITH BURNT ORANGE. OKAY. YOU, SIR. SO IF YOU ASK MY DAUGHTER, SHE WOULD TELL YOU I HAVE TERRIBLE TASTE IN COLORS AND FASHION AND EVERYTHING. SO THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A QUESTION FOR ME IN TERMS OF WHAT FITS BEST. I HONESTLY LIKE THE BLUE AND YELLOW. I KNOW. DON'T THROW THINGS AT ME. PERSONALLY, I LIKE IT. IF I HAD TO PICK A FIRST AND SECOND, I WOULD CHOOSE THE ALL BLUE OR TO KEEP IT THE SAME. NO, SIR. I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THIS. YOU ALREADY KNOW I HATE THE YELLOW. I THINK IT LOOKS WEIRD. AND YELLOW IS THE COLOR THAT THE CONNOTATION IS COWARDICE. I DON'T LIKE THAT. THE BOTTOM LEFT ONE IS BORING. IT'S MONOCHROME. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TOO CHEAP TO HAVE REAL COOL COLOR. BUT I LIKE MATT'S IDEA OF USING THE DARKER BLUE WITH THE RED SWOOSH. BECAUSE I LIKE THE RED AND BLUE. YOU'VE GOT THE WATER RED AS A POWER COLOR, AND IT'S RED, WHITE AND BLUES WHEN IT'S ON A WHITE BACKGROUND. THE TEXAS FLAG COLORS. SO MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE WHAT MATT SAID SWITCH THAT BLUE COLOR TO THE DARK AND KEEP THE RED. [00:45:05] AND YOUR SECOND CHOICE? MY SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS. OKAY. WELL, I PREFER A SHORT TRUCE. HOW ABOUT YOU? NO. SO MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE THE. THE BLUE AND THE RED. ALL LIKE THAT. AND MY SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE JUST TO KEEP OUR CURRENT ONE THE WAY IT IS. YEAH. BUT YOU WERE SAYING HAVE THREE ACCEPTABLE CODES, RIGHT? SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IT, ONE MAY BE A MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE OTHER. JUST HAD THREE APPROVED. SO YOU. WE. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD. AND THAT'S LIKE. LIKE A COLOR PALETTE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR THE BRAND. THREE, THREE OF THE THREE VERSIONS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO BE USED FOR THE CITY FOREST GREEN ROOM. SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION OF WHEN WE DO ORDERS, WHEN WE DO ORDER SERVICE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL. ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. THERE'S NOT A COST IN HAVING ONE OR TWO COLORS ON THE SHIRTS OUT OF. DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE FROM. TO BE HONEST, SOME DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COST IF YOU PICK A DIFFERENT COLOR. IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THEY PRINT IT SOMEHOW. MOST OF MOST I'VE DONE BOTH IN MY CAREER IN PARKS AND REC, AND IT'S NOMINAL IF THERE IS A SECOND. A LOT OF TIMES ON A SHIRT THEY'RE DARKER COLOR SHIRT, SO WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHITE. BUT LET'S TAKE A BLUE SHIRT AND PUT A BLUE LOGO OR EVEN A BLUE SHIRT WITH THE GREEN AND RED LOGO AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT. SO A LOT OF TIMES LIKE RONNIE HAS A RONNIE HAS A BLUE SHIRT WITH WHITE LOGO. SO JEFF COHEN HAS I HAVE THE SAME SORRY, THE CHAIR'S THERE. SO MOST PEOPLE HAVE A WHITE LOGO ON THEIR SHIRT FOR THAT REASON. SO MY NUMBER ONE CHOICE BE RED AND BLUE AND STAY WITH THE FOREST. BECAUSE AS A MARINE, I LOVE FOREST. WHERE ARE YOU AT? OH, YOU'RE IN FOR ME. I'M READY FOR YOU. WELL, YOU KNOW, I LIKE BREAD, SO WE'RE GOING WITH THAT ONE. OKAY. SADDLE THE DARK. DARK? YEAH, I AGREE WITH THE RED AND THE SECOND CHOICE. KEEP IT LIGHT. AND ALL THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. WE'RE READY. WE NEED TO SURGERY. I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN OPINION. I KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE. I KIND OF LIKE TRADITION HERE. I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE ON THE UPPER LEFT. IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE CHRISTMAS TO ME. IT'S CHRISTMASTIME. I KNOW IT'S GOOD FOR THE SEASON, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THE L LOOKS LIKE SPRINGTIME. THE ONE IN THE LOWER RIGHT LOOKS LIKE THE SUMMERTIME, 4TH OF JULY. AND THEN WE GET THE ORANGE. AND WE GOT. THERE WE GO. I COULD GO. ANY WAY THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS DOESN'T HELP. MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE IS I LIKE THE EXISTING LOGO. THAT RED LOOKS A LITTLE REDDER THAN I LIKE THE MAROON TWO. MAROON GOES WITH THE RED EAGLES. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THE RED, WHITE AND BLUE. I JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH. THAT'S THE SAME COLOR AS PLATO'S GOD. IT ALSO SPEAKS KIND OF I MEAN, HOW MANY RED, WHITE AND BLUE LOGOS ARE THERE? IT'S NOT. IT'S LESS UNIQUE. THAT'S TRUE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A RED ONE. I JUST SAID TO ME, GIVE ME A FEW. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING MULTIPLE OPTIONS HERE IN THE LOWER LEFT WORKS ON THE WEBSITE. NO, I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE NEED ONE WITH TEXAS TECH CODERS. ONE WITH A&M COLORS, ONE. I DON'T KNOW. NUMBER ONE, UPPER LEFT. NUMBER TWO. WHAT? MATT SAID, THE DARK BLUE AND. I GUESS YOU'RE MAKING ME MAKE A CHOICE. I DON'T THINK. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT ANY EASIER THAN I. I LIKE THE. THE CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, BORING. YOU LIKE TO SAY I LIKE A CHEAP, BORING ONE. MY SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE THE DARK BLUE AND THE MAROON. SO. QUESTION TWO IS, OKAY, WE'LL JUST DO THIS FIRST. WHAT DO YOU HAVE NOBODY AGREE ON? LET'S SEE. MATT SAYS OPTIONS THREE ACCEPTABLE COLORS. THE FIRST ONE, THAT ONE, THAT ONE IN THE DARKER BLUE. SO THREE ACCEPTABLE OPTIONS. WE'VE GOT. ONE, TWO, THREE. WITH THE DARK BLUE AND THE RED AS FIRST CHOICES, YOU'VE GOT ONE. YOU KEEP IT LIKE IT IS. AND WE'VE GOT ONE. YEAH. OH, BOY. SO? SO THE THREE, THE MAJORITY'S FIRST CHOICE WAS THE DARK BLUE AND THE RED. OKAY, SO NOW QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO TAKE THIS OUT TO A DO AN ONLINE SURVEY OR DO WE JUST WANT TO DO THIS? JUST DO IT. CHANGE IT. THE SAME COLOR AS GORE-TEX. INVISIBLE WATER DISTRICT TWO. [00:50:02] SO FULL DISCLOSURE AS JUST A JUST A RESIDENT OF THE CITY GOING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, I'VE SEEN THE ALL BLUE LOGO FOR A LONG TIME AND JUST ASSUMED AT SOME POINT THE COLOR SHIFTED TO ALL BLUE. I JUST KIND OF THOUGHT THAT HAD HAPPENED IT NATURALLY. I MEAN, AGAIN, IT WAS THE WEBSITE PALETTE, SO THEY KIND OF MATCHED THAT COLOR AND SOME OF US LIKED IT. WE LIKED THE CHANGE FROM RED, AND THERE'S A LOT OF US HERE WERE KIND OF LIKE THE RED AND GREEN. IT'S JUST SO OUTDATED. IT'S A HARD PALETTE TO MATCH AND THINGS LIKE FLIERS AND AND YEAH, SO THE WHOLE THING WAS REALLY JUST KIND OF FRESHEN UP THE FACE OF THE CITY. SO THEN I THINK WE HAVE WE COULD DO MORE. I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION. I DO THINK WE MAY GO AROUND THE ROOM TO BE READY. WE MIGHT ASK AGAIN, JUST THESE WERE JUST OPTIONS. SO DARK. SO THE MAROON AND DARK BLUE, CORRECT? THAT'S FINE. THAT'S AN OPTION. OKAY. ARE YOU READY FOR TOMORROW? I'M GOING TO FLIP THAT SWITCH TOMORROW. BOOM. FIRST BASE WILL GO. MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT COLORS SO THAT WHEN YOU USE THEM IN DIFFERENT PLACES, THEY LOOK RIGHT. SHE'LL FIND ACTUAL PMS. ONE OF THE FIRST CHANGES WILL BE OUR SIGNATURES. WE'RE GETTING READY TO PAY ALL OF THEM. ANYWAY, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF ABOUT MOVING FORWARD YESTERDAY WITH ONE CONSISTENT LOGO ON FLIERS AND MORE CONSISTENT BRANDING USING THIS VERSION OF THE LOGO. IT WILL TAKE TIME FOR THEM TO ROLL OUT, BUT ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. Y'ALL Y'ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? YEP. SO WHAT'S GOING ON? OKAY. EASY PEASY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. MY NEXT ITEM IS I HAVE THREE C DISCUSSING REQUESTS FROM THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION REGARDING THE POTENTIAL SALE AND [3C. Discuss a request from the Rowlett Housing Finance Corporation (RHFC) regarding the potential sale and ownership of the two City-owned properties located at 4559 Martha Lane and 7995 Dalrock Road. (20 minutes) ] OWNERSHIP OF THE TWO CITY OWNED PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 4559 MARTHA LANE AND $79.95 ROAD. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. STAFF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, RIGHT? AND THEN RICK SHEFFIELD HAS A PRESENTATION. STAFF DOES HAVE A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION. THAT IS WHAT WE DID DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MANAL UNFORTUNATELY, COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT. SHE WAS OVER PLANNING AND ZONING. SO THERE WERE TWO PROPERTIES UP FOR DISCUSSION. ONE WAS 4559. MARTHA LANE THIS IS THE ZONING AND THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS MORE FOR REFERENCE DURING THE CONVERSATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE. LAURA. SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION EXISTING LOT SIZES. ZONING OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THE FLOOR AS THEY LOVE TO CALL IT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. WHEREAS WHAT EXISTING UTILITIES AND AND THINGS THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEN A 7559 DOW ROCK ROAD, WHICH IS THE CORNER THERE OF DELL ROCK AGAIN HAIR ZONING, SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS. AND I BELIEVE THE NEXT SLIDE HAS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THE EXISTING BLOCK DIMENSIONS AND THEN THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION. THERE IS A 12.5 FOOT RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THEN HERE'S THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. IT HAS A DEFINED WATERLINE ON IT. AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT FEES, IMPACT FEES, PERMITTING FEES, FLAT FEES, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FEES. AND THAT IS MAPPED OUT HERE ON THIS SLIDE. SO WHAT IF A REGULAR DEVELOPER CAME IN, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE? AND AGAIN, WE CAN PULL THIS UP AFTER RICK ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION. AND SO AFTER THAT, THESE SLIDES ARE MORE FOR REFERENCE BY COUNSEL. IF YOU HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WITH BEING TIED UP. CARLOS IS ALSO HERE TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS IF WE CAN GO. THANK YOU, ANGIE. WE HAVE WE HAVE A VERY SHORT DECK OF SLIDES SO WE CAN SPEND MORE TIME TALKING, PROBABLY LESS TIME TALKING FOR ME AND KEEP MY VOICE. I WON'T START IT OFF AT CHRIS GEYSER WITH WITH THE ROCK IS HERE AS WELL. I JUST LIKE A QUICK SHOUT OUT FOR MY BOARD. VICE PRESIDENT DAN PENCE. HE SHOWED THAT YOU SUPPORT US AS WELL HERE. SO JUST REAL QUICKLY, THE BACKGROUND, ANGIE'S REALLY ALREADY COVERED IT WITH YOU. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A SINGLE FAMILY INFILL LOTS FOR PROBABLY CLOSE TO TWO YEARS. BRIAN, YOU REMEMBER I WORKED WITH MCAVOY BACK LOOKING FOR FOUR SITES SOMETIME? NO LUCK. I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT LOTS WITH FROM THE TORNADO THAT WERE LEFT VACANT. ALL OF THOSE OWNERS ARE NON RESPONSIVE TO ANY REQUESTS. SO WE FINALLY WORKED AND FOUND OUT THAT WE'RE HERE. BRIAN THESE TWO LOTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND WE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY TALKS TO GAUGE INTEREST. BUT HERE'S A QUICK OVERVIEW THAT YOU JUST SAW. THE DOW ROCK ROAD ON THE LEFT. [00:55:01] NOW THERE IS AN APPRAISAL ON THAT PROPERTY DATED OCTOBER OF 2020 THAT PLACED THE VALUE OF 35,000 IN STATE OF IS A NON CONFORMING LOT. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S ZONED SFA, BUT THE LOT IT'S ONLY 6000 SQUARE FEET WHICH WOULD BE IN SF SIX WHICH DOESN'T EXIST IN THIS. WITH SOME VARIANCES ON SETBACKS, WE CAN STILL PUT A GOOD. MARTHA, AS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHERE THE WATER TOWER WAS AND WE HAD TO TAKE DOWN AFTER THE TORNADO A LARGE LAW THAT SAID NINE ZONING COULD FIT THREE HOMES DEPENDING UPON DETERMINATION OF THOSE LEVEES. GETS IN THE WATER. AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF LET CHRIS TAKE OVER. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HEAR HIM A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN THE LAST TWO SLIDES HERE. WE JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. WELL, MOST MOST KNOW THE BROCK IS EXTREMELY COMMITTED TO OUR VETERAN COMMUNITY. THE BIG PIECE TO WALK AWAY HERE IS TO REMIND US THAT THIS IS A WAY OF SAYING THANK YOU TO OUR VETERANS. AND WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND WAYS OF BRINGING ATTENTION TO THEM. A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DO AT BROCK ESPECIALLY HAS BEEN FOR REDOING HOUSES, REDOING. ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION TYPE ORIENTATION THAT DEALS WITH THAT FROM RUSTY DEFENSES. WE JUST GOT COMPLETED WITH OUR LITTLE TINY HOME OVER IN PAWNEE. SIMILAR TYPE THING, THOUGH, WAS ABOUT 700 SQUARE FEET. AGAIN, THE THE OBJECT HERE OF OUR ATTENTION IS TO BRING OUR VETERANS UNDER A UMBRELLA OF APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR US. WE DO THAT WITH THE VETERANS APPRECIATION NIGHT EVERY OTHER MONTH. THIS IS A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES I'M TALKING WITH RICK. EXCUSE ME. I'M WITH RICH THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE THESE VETERANS AGAIN, THESE ARE THESE AREN'T HOMES. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A HAND UP. THAT'S NOT WHAT THESE ARE. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A VETERAN TO COME IN WITH. WITH THE CONNECTION POINT BETWEEN HFC AND HABITAT AND THEN ALL THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE BEEN VERY GENEROUS TOWARDS WHAT WE'VE DONE TO COME TOGETHER AND PROVIDE PERHAPS A LOWER COST FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND THEY HAD TO PURCHASE THE HOME OUTRIGHT. IT BECOMES A TAXABLE PROPERTY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT BEING DONE TODAY BECAUSE THIS LAND OWNED BY THE CITY. THESE ARE A FEW OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY BEEN USING OVER TIME. THE FEDERAL HOME LOAN BANK DOES THIS KIND OF COMES FROM HABITAT AND HOME DEPOT. LOWE'S ARE BIG CONTRIBUTORS, BARS, A LOT OF VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES. THE P AND ONE CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S LIKE PLUMBING. THESE ARE ALL ONES WHO HAVE COMMITTED TO US OVER OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PAST TO BE A PART OF THE BUILD OUTS. THE ONE THAT WAS IN FOR WAS ONE CALLED TO GALS DESTRUCTION. I'M NOT SURE WE'LL WE'LL TAP THEM RIGHT NOW. THESE ARE BIGGER PROJECTS THAN WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT THEY'RE BOTH VETERANS WHO HAVE A BIG GET BACK. SO THE BROCK WE LOOK AT THESE OPPORTUNITIES AS JUST THAT. IT'S A WAY OF SAYING THANK YOU TO OUR VETERANS WHO HAVE GIVEN AWAY SO MUCH OF THEIR TIME IN LIFE TO MAKE US SAFE AND FOR US AGAIN TO BE ROCK WE WE WANT THE CITY TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EVEN, SAY, TEXAS, THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, ROWLETT APPRECIATES ITS VETS THE HOUSES THEY'RE LOOKING TO BE BUILT THE COURSE ARE STANDARD THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, TWO CAR GARAGES. THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE TOO SMALL HERE. THESE ARE CONVENTIONAL TYPE HOMES THAT WOULD BE AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED ON BY A LENDER, OBVIOUSLY. BUT AGAIN, FOR US, THIS IS A CHANCE THIS IS A REALLY BIG CHANCE FOR THE CITY TO GET BEHIND AND BE A PART OF KNOW. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A CONVERSATION BEFORE ABOUT US ASKING FOR THE LAND, AND THAT COULD ALWAYS BE A CONVERSATION. BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS WE STAND READY TO BUY THE LAND. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE THAT LAND AGAIN, EITHER INDIVIDUALLY, WHICH IS THE NORMAL PROCESS THAT'S YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING IN THAT REGARDS OR IN THE CASE OF THE CITY, SO CHOOSES TO PARTNER, THEN WE CAN TALK WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, WE CAME TO STAFF LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE THE LAND AND THEN UTILIZING ALL OF THE ACCESS POINTS THAT WE HAVE THROUGH RELATIONAL PARTNERSHIPS TO BUILD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A VETERAN TO COME IN AND BE GIVEN THE REALLY NICE HOME FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE A LOW INCOME. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. SO NO, AND CHRIS MAKES A POINT. I MEAN, CURRENTLY THESE THESE TWO PARCELS ARE A NET NEGATIVE FOR THE CITY AND YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY ON MAINTENANCE AND MOWING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE DID COME ASKING TO PURCHASE THE HOMES. THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM OUR CREEKSIDE VILLAGE, WHICH P AND Z APPROVED OUR PLAN ON AND WE'RE WORKING ON. THAT'S A CLUSTER ZONING TYPE ARRANGEMENT. [01:00:02] SMALLER HOMES, ONE CAR GARAGES, THESE WOULD BE THE FULL HOME. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD MATCH EXACTLY WHAT WE COULD FIT FOR ZONING ON THAT. AND YOU NOTICED ALONG THE WAY THERE WAS PICTURES OF THIS ONE PARTICULAR HOME THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF VERY SIMILAR, THE EXACT PROJECT THAT HABITAT DID IN GARLAND ON CLINTON STREET. I KNOW YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, GARLAND HAS HAS DONE THIS ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS WITH LOSSES THAT THEY OWN AND HAVE TRANSFERRED EITHER THROUGH SALE OR DEED TO THE HFC AND AND HAVE GOTTEN VETERANS IN. THIS ONE HAD ALREADY BEEN OCCUPIED. I DIDN'T GET THE KITCHEN CLEANED OUT. GOOD FOR THAT ONE PICTURE THERE. WHAT YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THIS IS A FULL THREE TWO NICE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND AN EXTERIOR CLADDING IS SIMPLE TO DO, WHICH IS WHY WE SAY WE CAN MATCH ARCHITECTURE ON A NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE DID WANT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU TONIGHT. I THINK THAT'S THE LAST OF OUR SLIDES AND JUST KIND OF OPEN IT UP TO TO TALK AND SEE. WE'D LOVE FOR THE CITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS. WE'LL THINK OF SOME GREAT PRESS AND GETTING HOME FOR OUR VETERANS AND SAYING THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I'LL LET THE OTHERS PROVIDE THEIR INPUT OR QUESTIONS FIRST. ANYBODY? START OFF. SO BOTH OF THESE WOULD BE FOR VETERANS? I THINK WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE, IT WAS LIKE ONE WAS GOING TO BE VETERANS AND IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED A VETERANS INITIATIVE, SO IT WILL ONLY BE VETERANS. THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES THAT THE VA HAS, IS ACCESS TO A LOT OF VETERANS WHO WOULD LOVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT NOW. LAST YEAR, HUD CHANGED THEIR REQUIREMENTS ON WHERE YOU COULD HAVE APPLICATIONS FOR SENIORS AND OTHER GROUPS, AND THEY ADDED VETERANS TO THAT LIST AS WELL. SO WE'RE PERFECTLY, PERFECTLY FINE THROUGH FAIR HOUSING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. DO YOU DO YOU ALREADY HAVE CANDIDATE VETERANS IN MIND? WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. YEAH, NO, I KNOW. I JUST I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF NEEDS. WELL, WE HAVE WE HAVE A LOT TO HAVE. WE HAVE NOT. THINGS THAT WE PROVIDED TO BE RIGHT IS HOUSING. AND WE ASK THE QUESTIONS. IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, WOULD YOU ACQUIRE? AND WE HAVE PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN WHO'VE SAID, YES, I WOULD. THE OTHERS ARE UNCERTAIN. MOST OF THEM THAT WE DEAL WITH DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY. BUT AGAIN, WE PROBABLY HAVE HALF A DOZEN WHO HAVE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT I'D BE INTERESTED IF THE OPPORTUNITY CAME. SO, SO. SO THE FOUR HOUSES YOU SAID THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. I MEAN, THE MARTHA LANE YOU COULD FIT THREE ON THIS NINE ZONE AGAIN, THREE PLUS TWO AGAIN, CONTINGENT UPON HOW THOSE EASEMENTS ARE AND HOW WE'RE ABLE TO POSITION THE PROPERTIES ON THE HOUSES ON THAT. SO I WOULD SAY MINIMUM OF THREE, INCLUDING THE MAXIMUM OF FOUR EXCUSE ME. SO I SEEM TO RECALL WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY THAT THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE MARTHA LANE PROPERTY AND WHAT IT MIGHT DO TO THAT LARGER TRACT OF LAND THERE. AND I'VE GONE BACK AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE THERE, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S SUCH A BIG AS BIG OF A CONCERN AS AS I THOUGHT IT WAS AT THE TIME. IT SEEMS SOME OF THOSE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT SIT ON SHRUBBERY EXTEND PRETTY FAR BACK THERE. THE LONGER PIECES OF PROPERTY, THERE'S THE ONE HOME TO THE NORTHEAST THAT I BELIEVE IS THAT ENTIRE NORTHERN PIECE OF PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY OR DRIVEWAY. AND THEN THERE'S THE HOME THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CHUNK OF LAND. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE MOBILE HOME TO THE SOUTH. I JUST I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AS MUCH OF A CONCERN AS I THOUGHT THERE WAS INITIALLY ABOUT PRESERVING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT STATE. SO THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS BEFORE THAT, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE THE TRAILERS ARE. WAS ACTIVELY BEING PURSUED BY THE DEVELOPER. IS THAT STILL THE CASE THEN? ALL IS NOT HERE. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? I DON'T. NOT SPECIFIC TO THAT PROPERTY. I HAVE NOT HEARD IT RECENTLY AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE. I SUPPORT WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHETHER THAT BE THAT WE. YOU'LL PURCHASE THE LAND FROM THE CITY FOR THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OR. OR WE TALK ABOUT. HOW BETTER WE CAN HELP YOU ALL ACCOMPLISH THIS. SO BUT OVERALL, I SUPPORT THE GOAL. AND THESE TWO PARCELS OF LAND, LIKE YOU SAID, ARE COSTING US MONEY. THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE FOR THE CITY. AND IF WE CAN TURN IT INTO SOMETHING GOOD LIKE THIS, ABSOLUTELY ALL SUPPORT IT FOR. [01:05:07] SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF FOUR HOUSES, ONE BARRACK AND THREE THERE, AND I SUPPORT THE PARTNERSHIP. I'M LIKE. THIS ONE. I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE WITH WITH MARTHA. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A DECENT SPOT. IF WE DON'T DO A PARTNERSHIP, THIS HAS TO GO TO BED. YOU'LL FIND OUT REALLY QUICK. IF SOMEBODY WAS AT AUCTION. IF SOMEBODY WAS INTERESTED IN THOSE OTHER PARCELS, BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO TRY TO GRAB IT AND OUTBID YOU AND I STILL. BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER SIDE. TO ME, IT'S JUST TOO SMALL OF A SITE AND THEN ALREADY EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO SHOEHORN SOMETHING IN. AND BUT IF I THINK I TOLD YOU ON THE PHONE, IF YOU GO AROUND TO THOSE NEIGHBORS AND YOU EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND YOU CAN GET SOME SIGNATURES AND SAY, YEAH, WE SUPPORT THIS PRODUCT COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN I'LL SUPPORT IT TOO. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S MY PLACE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHOEHORN SOMETHING INTO IT'S A NON CONFORMING LOT INTO THIS AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS GOOD TO A PERSON THOSE PEOPLE ARE IMPORTANT TO AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHOEHORN SOMETHING INTO THEM. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD FOR US TO DO TO THOSE THOSE TWO. NOW, IF YOU TALK TO THEM AND YOU DO A COMMUNITY MEETING, JUST LIKE I WOULD ASK ANY OTHER DEVELOPER TO DO, TO GO AND TALK TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND MEET WITH THEM AND GET THEIR BUYING AND SAY, YEAH, WE WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND WE SUPPORT THEM. COME IN THIS YEAR, THEN THAT I'LL BE THE FIRST TO REPORT IT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON THAT ONE COUNCIL AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. I MEAN, I WOULD OFFER THOUGH, ANY OTHER OPEN A LOT IN THIS CITY. SOMEONE COULD BUY AND WILL BUILD A HOUSE TODAY WITHOUT DOING ANY COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOR ONE HOUSE FOR DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU FOR A FULL SCALE DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES FOR YOU, WE WERE HAPPY TO DO IT AND SOMEBODY ELSE COULD DO IT. AND IF BUT AGAIN, IF I KNEW THAT WAS ME AS A NEIGHBOR AND THAT THE CITY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT LOT UP FOR SALE, THEN I WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS GOING TO GO AUCTION ON IT. SO AT LEAST I HAD A CHANCE TO BUY IT. WHERE IF I THEN. BUT IF I SAID, HEY, I'M GOING TO DO A PARTNERSHIP DEAL, WE'RE GOING TO OWN THE LAND, I'M GOING TO LET YOU BUILD A HOUSE ON IT, THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO APPLES AND ORANGES A LITTLE BIT. I WILL SAY THIS AS WELL. I LIVE ABOUT A BLOCK IN THAT AND LOOK AT THAT A LOT FOR THE LAST 27 YEARS. I HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT. JUST BECAUSE I DRIVE BY IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. YEAH. THE QUESTION THERE WOULD BE, CAN WE PUT A HOUSE ON IT IF IT APPEARS THAT WE CAN JUST. JUST BE THE RIGHT SIZE? IT WILL. IT WILL MATCH TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES TO TO BLEND WITH THE OTHER OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE AROUND BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEW CONSTRUCTION ROUND THERE. YOU KNOW, OUR HOUSE IS ON. I'M IN THE SPINNAKER COVE. ON THE OTHER SIDE IS MOST OF THEM IN THE LATE EIGHTIES. BUT AGAIN, I'VE NOT GONE TO GO CANVASS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I HAVE A HANDFUL OF NEIGHBORS THAT I KNOW VERY WELL. I DID BRING THIS UP TO THEM. NO ONE SAID NO, BUT MOST OF THEM DIDN'T THINK OF IT EITHER IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENT IT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A VACANT LOT HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, OBVIOUSLY DOING NOTHING. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS BEEN NO. ONE TRYING TO ACQUIRE IT CLOSE BY, AT LEAST THAN I'VE BEEN TOLD. WE'VE NOT HAD ANYBODY TRY TO ACQUIRE IT IN OUR TIME IN THIS CITY. THERE WAS ONE A FEW YEARS AGO AND I THINK, MATT, YOU WERE PROBABLY ON THE COUNCIL MAYBE EARLY ON. BUT WHAT WE IT'S WHY WE DID THAT 2010 SURVEY OR APPRAISAL. BUT WHEN THEY REALIZED THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE WARRANTS OR REZONING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY THEY DECIDED TWO YEARS AGO THEN BECAUSE NO, IT'S BEEN MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO, 20 WHAT WAS IT, OCTOBER 2020 WAS THE APPRAISAL. YEAH, ABOUT THREE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WAS, BUT A GOOD MEMORY. HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. MOST LIKELY BOTH. BOTH PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO NEED SOME SORT OF AN AMENDMENT BY COUNCIL TO BEGIN WITH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMMIT TO. I'VE BEEN WELL TRAINED MY DAY. WE CAN'T COMMIT TO. I WAS LATE IN THIS DISCUSSION. I THINK REALLY WHAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER IS THAT IN PRINCIPLE IS COUNCIL WILLING TO CONSIDER PUTTING THIS UP FOR AUCTION, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHICH ALSO PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING THE THE CALC AND ANALYSIS TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE. THERE ARE SOME ENCUMBRANCES, NOT AS MANY AS I THOUGHT IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS LEFT. SOME OF IT MAY BE EVEN ABANDONED AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE, BECAUSE I KNOW IN RICK AND OUR CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THEY CAN PUT LIKE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY A HOUSE THAT MATCHES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH OF A SETBACK. IT MAY NOT HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE OTHER PROPERTIES WOULD. AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION WILL HAVE TO COME. AND SO JUST GOING DOWN THIS PATH IS A PROCESS. AND YET, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL CAN'T REALLY COMMIT TO A ZONING QUESTION UNTIL THE VERY END, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT IF IN PRINCIPLE [01:10:10] YOU'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER THIS, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE. I'VE ALREADY SHARED WITH COUNCIL, I CANNOT THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO WITH EITHER OF THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. THEY'RE TOO SMALL FOR ANYTHING CITYWIDE. IT'S TIME FOR ME TO MAKE PEOPLE MAD. I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PLACE TO GIVE CITY MONEY AWAY TO PROJECTS, WHETHER THEY'RE SUPPORTING VETERANS, SUPPORTING POLICE, SUPPORTING HOSPITALS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE WILLING TO PUT THIS LAND UP FOR AUCTION. RIGHT. THAT IS THAT IS THE ONLY CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY. IF WE GO DOWN THE PATH PROMISING A PARTNERSHIP, AS I THINK MATT ALLUDED TO, WHERE WE'RE OWNING THE LAND AND GIVING IT TO AN ORGANIZATION TO BUILD SOMETHING, THEN WE'RE TAKING A CHOICE AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO PAID FOR THAT LAND WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED ORIGINALLY, AND THAT IS HOW THEY ALLOCATE THEIR DOLLARS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN THAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO STAND AGAINST AS LONG AS I'M ON THE COUNCIL. THAT THAT IS NOT OUR CHOICE. THAT IS A CHOICE OF THE PERSON WHOSE MONEY IT IS. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAX, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE HIRED TO PROVIDE. THOSE ARE PUBLIC SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE, PARKS, THAT TYPE OF THING. I BELIEVE THE LAND AT THE CORNER WOULD MAKE A PERFECT NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED INTO. AS FOR PARKS PLAN, OUR MASTER PARKS PLAN PUT TRAILS FIRST. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS CITY HAVE NO PARKS. NONE. WE WENT TO A DESTINATION PARK THEME. SO NOW THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORTHWEST AND RALEIGH ROAD HAVE TO JUMP IN THEIR CAR WITH THEIR THEIR TODDLERS AND INFANTS INTO THE CAR SEATS AND DRIVE THEM TO GET TO THE PARK. BECAUSE THERE IS NO PARK WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. THERE'S A FUTURE PARK 500 FEET NORTH OF THIS LOT. THE MAYOR'S PARK. YEAH. IT'S IT'S MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO IT BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PARK, BUT ON THE LAND DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO ACQUIRE THE PARK LAND. WE CAN THROW A BASKETBALL COURT, BUT IT'S COSTING US MONEY THERE TO MOW TOMORROW, RIGHT? I AGREE WITH BRIAN 100% ON THIS LITTLE DEAL. YOU GOT A SIDEWALK THAT DOESN'T CONNECT. EVEN IF THAT WAS JUST A SEATING AREA, WE COULD CONNECT THAT SIDEWALK SO THAT BUT YOU PUT A LITTLE SEATING AREA IN THERE AND THAT SIDE YOU COULD EVEN TO ME, THAT MAKES THEM SOME DECENT MAKE SOME DECENT GREEN SPACE. SO I WOULD BE FOR SELLING THE OTHER PARCEL. I'M NOT FOR PUTTING THAT ONE UP FOR SALE. I THINK WE'D FIND SOMETHING CREATIVE TO DO IT FOR IT THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN'T COMMIT TO SELLING ANOTHER ONE UNTIL I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAD ABOUT THE PURCHASE ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THE TIMING COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE REVENUE THE CITY GAINS IF INDEED THAT SALE GOES THROUGH AND THAT PERSON IS PRESENTLY NEGOTIATING WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND THE LANDOWNERS TO THE EAST TO PUT IN A. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. A 30 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. THAT PROPERTY BECOMES MUCH MORE VALUABLE THAN IF WE'RE SELLING IT PIECE OF PROPERTY NEXT TO A TRAILER PARK. SO AGAIN, THAT'S MAKING A CHOICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY. SO I WANT TO WAIT AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES. I'M NOT I'M NOT NOT SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF VETERANS HOUSING, BUT I THINK THAT'S A CHOICE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE INDIVIDUALLY. AND I'M WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO TO PERSONALLY, TO VETERANS HOUSING, BUT NOT AS A TAXING AUTHORITY. OH, MAKE A NOTE. OKAY. SO SO WE WE CAN CONTINUE WITH COMMENTS OR WE CAN JUST GO AROUND THE ROOM. I WOULD I REMAIN I REMAIN SUPPORTING IT. AS BRIAN WOULD SAY IN PRINCIPLE, I WON'T USE THE PARTNERSHIP WORD. I'LL JUST SAY I'M I AM IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING THEM TO PURCHASE THOSE TWO PROPERTIES FOR THE FOR VOTES. BASICALLY, WE'RE DECIDING WHETHER TO PUT IT UP FOR BID OR NOT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. I'M IN SUPPORT OF ALLOWING THEM TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTIES TOO. I AGREE WITH BRIAN ABOUT GIVING THE PROPERTY AWAY, BUT IF THEIR PURCHASING IT, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT. SAME HERE, AND THAT'S THE SAME OPINION I HAD WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT. I AM IN FAVOR OF SELLING THE PROPERTY. I THINK AFTER THINKING ABOUT THE MARTHA LAND PIECE MORE AND MORE, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HANG ON TO IT AND TO TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS. WE MAKE DECISIONS EVERY DAY OF HOW TO SPEND THE CITIZENS MONEY, AND I TOTALLY GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, AND I RESPECT THAT OPINION. BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW THE OPTION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS IS THE RIGHT CALL. SO LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN ANSWER. I EXPECT STAFF TO STAFF AND WORK ON THE NEXT STEPS. ALL RIGHT. ALONG WITH A PERSONAL COMMITMENT FROM BRIAN. [01:15:03] I'LL GIVE YOU MY DOLLAR TO READ. WOULD IT BE OUT OF LINE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE IMPACT FEES OR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE PRESENTED NOW AS WELL? YOU KNOW THAT DOWN THE ROAD I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER TOUCH POINTS. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT COUNCIL MAY DECIDE AT SOME POINT. THAT MAY BE AN AREA THEY'RE WILLING TO PARTNER WITH, BUT GO OUT ON THE AUCTION. THEY MAY NOT EVEN WIN THE BID. THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT. AND YOU DON'T WANT THEY MAY NOT WIN THE BID. YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY COME AND SAY, WELL, YOU WERE GOING TO DO IT FOR THEM AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. EXACTLY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT. IS IS THIS SOMETHING YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN PROCEEDING FORWARD WITH AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? I WOULD ASK STAFF TO FOLLOW UP ON ME, MAKE SURE I ACTUALLY HAVE AN ANSWER. OKAY. THERE HAS BEEN NO MORE CHATTER. THERE WAS SOME CHATTER ABOUT THE MOBILE HOME PARK, BUT IT HAS TURNED INTO NOT MUCH MORE THAN CONVERSATION. AND THAT COULD CHANGE. AND I SEE A LOT MORE SO IN A PIECE OF THIS. SO YOU HAVE 5 TO 2 COUNSELS MADE THE DECISION. SO I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU WITH STAFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, DO YOU WANT TO PULL ANYTHING FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? [4. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] WE WOULD NEED TO COOL IT. BUT SEVEN B, I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT OR CLARIFY. THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT IT WAS APPROVED 6 TO 1, AND ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO OF THE MEETING, IT WAS APPROVED 5 TO 0. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE OC YOU SAID SEVEN BE CARLOS OAK TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND PLANNING AND ZONING. YEAH, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE VIDEO. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS THAT WE DID HAVE A COUNCIL, OUR COMMISSIONER THAT DID OPPOSE IT, BUT I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO TODAY. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE ITEM RIGHT BEFORE THIS. IT'S SAYING YOU WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT. NO, I'M JUST SAYING, YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL ADD IT INTO THE MINUTES OR I DON'T EVEN THINK WE MAKE IT. ASK PLANNING STAFF TO REVIEW THAT AND THEY CAN UPDATE THE MINUTES JUST FOR THE CITIZENS WHO ARE READING THIS PACKET. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO PULL OR DISCUSS? ALL RIGHT THEN. WE'LL SEE YOU IN THERE AT 730. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.