May 16, 2023 City Council Work Session

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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MAY 16, 2023. AT 5 PM. WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT. AS AUTHORIZED RIGHT AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, THIS MEETING MAY BE CONVENED INTO CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON ANY AGENDA ITEM HEREIN. THE CITY OF ROWLETT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO RECONVENE, RECESS OR REALIGN THE REGULAR SESSION OR CALLED EXECUTIVE SESSION OR ORDER OF BUSINESS AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO ADJOURNMENT.

PROCESS FOR PUBLIC INPUT: IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON, YOU MAY COMPLETE THE CITIZEN INPUT FORM ON THE CITYB WEBSITE BY 3:30 P.M. THE DAY OF THE MEETING. ALL FORMS WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING.

FOR IN-PERSON COMMENTS, REGISTRATION FORMS/INSTRUCTIONS

[3A. Annual presentation of the Golf Advisory Board to City Council. (30 minutes)]

>> CHAIR? >> JUST TO KICK US OFF.

>> ANY CITIZENS WILLING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING

NONE, CHAIR? >> TONIGHT WE HAVE THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD. BRAD WILL BE DOING THE PRESENTATION. MATT COME ON UP. UNTIL IT'S ALL THE GOOD STUFF.

>> WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE NEED TO CALL THE GOLF AT 434 TOWARD HER.

>> NO, JUST A PRESENTATION. >> WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, THAT'S FINE. AS LONG AS IT WORKS. THAT'S THE PRESENTATION. I HOPE YOU GUYS REALLY ENJOYED IT. [LAUGHTER].

WE ARE TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH FOR THE PRESENTATION FOR YOU GUYS THIS YEAR. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL MEMBERS IN PUTTING TOGETHER THIS PRESENTATION. CARTER REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN PUTTING THIS PARTICULAR VISITATION TOGETHER. HOPE YOU

GUYS ENJOY IT. >> IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.

THANK YOU. FROM THE BEGINNING THIS IS HOW THE AGENDA IS AND THIS IS HOW WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT. THE PROGRESS WE MADE OVER THE LAST YEAR. OUR GOALS FOR THE FUTURE. WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO DO WITH THE GOLF COURSE. WHAT THE GOLF COURSE HAS TO DO WITH THAT TRAVELER COMMUNITY. WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT A TERM CALLED BROWN SPACE WHICH HAS GOTTEN BY CII.

WHICH IS A COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. WE ARE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LONG RANGE MASTER PLAN FOR THE GOLF COURSE. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD INCLUDE AS AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO PROVIDE OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE GOLF COURSE. OUR BOARD MEMBERS WHICH WE HAVE A LOT HERE TONIGHT. LARRY GLICK, MYSELF, BRAD MARSHALL, CARTER HOLSTON WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL OF PUTTING THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER.

JONATHAN ÃHE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS AKIA PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. [INAUDIBLE] BECKY, IT'S NOT HERE. CALVIN IS HERE.

ANTHONY SCOTT, I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM. WE HAVE 2 PEOPLE. PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. THE MISSION OF THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD. TO PROTECT THE VALUABLE ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT IS THE TRY ONE GOLF COURSE. THE GOLF COURSE IS A REGIONAL DESTINATION IN THE CITY OF ROWLETT. ONE ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER. IT COULD BE A DIFFERENTIATOR FROM OTHER SUBURBS AND TRYING TO BE THE BEST IN CLASS GOLFING EXPERIENCE FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO THE CITY. RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY WE ARE THE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE BREAK. OUR GOAL IS TO BE A REALLY HIGH END GOLF COURSE AT SOME POINT. WE WANT TO STRIVE TO GET THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO DO IS PROMOTE HEALTHY LIVING. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS STATED THEY WANT TO PROVIDE HEALTHY LIVING CHOICES FOR ITS CITIZENS.

CITIZENS HAVE STATED THAT OPEN SPACES AND AMENITIES ARE A PRIORITY. QUALITY LIFESTYLE IS PROMOTED IN THE ROWLETT COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SENIORS. THE BOARD ACTS AS THE EYES AND EARS OF OUR CITY COUNCIL AND MIRROR. THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST YEAR. PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY

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RENOVATED ON COURSE. WE HAVE 2 SETS OF BATHROOMS ON THE COURSE ITSELF. ITSELF. THEY HAD BEEN TOUCHED IN 25 YEARS. THEY WERE PRETTY COME SUITABLE DISREPAIR. THE DECKING ON HE ROOFS WERE COLLAPSING. THE ROOFING MATERIAL WAS SHOT. THE DOORS WERE FALLING OUT OF THE FRAMES. S. TOILETS WERE NOT CONCERNED ON THE CONCRETE. WE WENT AND GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF. THEY ARE PAINTED AT WATERVIEW BLUE. THEY HAVE NEW ROOFING MATERIALS. THERE PAINTED A NICE LIGHT BLUE INSIDE. THE ONLY ARE SKYLIGHTS. SOMEONE PAINTED THEM DARK GRAY. EVEN A BRIGHT SUNLIGHT IT IT WAS S DARK WE WENT BACK AND PAINTED THE INSIDE OVERLY LIGHT LUE YOU CAN SEE IN THEIR THE DAYTIME.

WE RENOVATED THE BATHROOMS. WE HAD AN HAV AC SYSTEM IN THE KITCHEN THAT HAD BEEN OUT FOR PSOME TIME. IT WAS A 15 N AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO CONTROL THE TEMPERATURE IN THE KITCHEN AREA OF THE GRILL. FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS THAT THING WAS DEAD. THEY WOULD GET EXTREMELY HOT. NOT ONLY IN THE GRILL AREA ITSELF BUT, WHERE THE OUTDOOR PEOPLE WERE EVENING, INTO THE LOBBY AREA WOULD BE VERY HOT. T. WE FINALLY GOT THAT FIXEDWE HAD AN HOA EVENT AT THE PAVILION, ANNUAL MEETING ONE NIGHT. WALKED OUT TO THE PARKING LOT AND YOU COULD NOT SEE ANYTHING. TOTALLY BLACK. WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THE LEADING REPLACE OF THE PARKING LOT. THAT MADE THAT MUCH SAFER. WE RESTRIPED THE PARKING UP WHICH I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN STRIPED IN 20 YEARS.

THEN WE DID A REPAIR AND REPLACE OF A DRAINAGE ON HOLE NUMBER 6. YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE WORK RATE PICTURE IS THE AREA ON THE GOLF COURSE OF THE DRAIN WAS SITTING IN. YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL IT FROM THIS PICTURE BUT, IT IS REALLY DOWNHILL FROM ALL AREAS OF THAT DRAIN. THE TRAIN THAT WAS GOING OUT OF IT HAD COLLAPSED. ANYTIME WE GOT A BRAIN YOU COULD LITERALLY SWIM IN THAT LAKE THAT WAS CREATED THERE. IT COST $24,000 TO GET THE DRAIN REPAIRED.

BUT, WE GOT IT REPAIRED. IT DRAINS THE WEIGHT SUPPOSED TO NOW BUT, REPLACING THAT DRAIN IT LITERALLY HAD TO DIG THE PIPE LIKE 10 TO 12 FOOT DEEP TO GET IT ON THE ANKLE SO IT WOULD TRAIN THE WAY WAS POSTED DRAIN. IT WAS REALLY A BIG DEAL.

PROJECTS WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PROCESS. MONUMENT SIGNS GOT DAMAGED. CRITICAL TO THE PROCESS OF GETTING A MONUMENT ACTUALLY CREATED AND REPLACED. THAT'S THE LOWER LEFT PICTURE.

THOSE MONUMENTS ARE GRANTED. THERE ARE VERY DETAILED. THEY ARE PAINTED. PROBABLY SOME OF THE MOST ELABORATE HOME MARKERS YOU WILL FIND ON ANY GOLF COURSE ANYWHERE IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA. AND WE LITERALLY HAD TO SEND OFF TO INDIA TO GET THAT MADE. IT TOOK LIKE 6 MONTHS TO GET IT DONE. WE FINALLY GOT IT BACK. THEY ARE NOT INSTALLED YET.

WE'VE GOT THE PAINTED AND THEY ARE READY TO BE INSTALLED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW THIS BUT THERE ARE LIKE 6 BREAKS ON THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF. THERE'S ANOTHER 6 LAKES IN THE HOA PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE ABOUT 12 Ã14. ON ALL THOSE LAKES A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO HAD GONE THROUGH AND PUT CIRCULATING PUMPS IN ALL OF THOSE LAKES TO KEEP THEM CLEAN. THEY WERE GETTING REALLY, REALLY BAD. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN SOME PICTURES. ALONG WITH COVID AND GOLF COURSE RENOVATION AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S BEEN GOING ON THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THOSE LIGHTS, WE DIDN'T

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INSCAPE ENTRY INTO THE PARKING LOT OF THE CLUBHOUSE AND INTO THE WALK-IN ENTRY AREA OF THE CLUBHOUSE ITSELF. SO, WHERE'S THAT PICTURE? THIS IS AN OLDER PRESENTATION AT.[LAUGHTER].

THERE WAS A PICTURE THAT WE DID SOME ROCK LANDSCAPE IN THE ENTRY AREA. IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY NICE. I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT. AND THEN WE'VE GOT 2 BLOCKS THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CONSTRUCTED AT THIS PPARTICULAR TIME. WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE GOLF COURSE? WELL, GOLF IS REALLY HOT RIGHT NOW.

THE GOLF COURSE TESTING EXTERNALLY BUSY. SO GOLF COURSE REVENUES ARE UP. LOOKING UP GROUNDS, 2018 VERSUS 2022 WENT FROM 30,000 ROUNDS, 31,000 ROUNDS TO OVER 42,000 ROUNDS IN 2022. TOURNAMENTS, WE WENT FROM 31 AND 2018 TO 42 AND 2022. THE SAME THING WITH PROVEN PAVILION RENTALS. IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO A TOURNAMENT THEY ARE GOING TO RENT THE PAVILION AT THE SAME TIME. ALL RIGHT, THE GOALS OF THE GOLF COMMITTEE. APPLIANCE WITH EXHIBIT F PICKED UP TESTING OF THIS DOCUMENT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONTRACT WITH AMERICA GOLF. WE TRY TO WORK ON MAKING SURE THAT WE ADHERE TO AS MUCH OF IT AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE ACTUALLY REVIEWING THAT EXHIBIT F RIGHT NOW TRYING TO GET A NEW DOCUMENT IN PLACE WITH AMERICAN GOLF IN THE CITY OF TURN ONE. THAT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS.

DEVELOP GUIDELINES FOR CITY FUNDED PAYMENTS PROJECTS WITH PRINT ONE GOLF COURSE. RECOMMEND MAINTENANCE PROJECTS BY THE CITY OF ROWLETT OR CHUNKED FUNDING AGREEMENTS FOR AMERICA GOLF. SUPPORT AND RECOMMEND THE GROWTH OF THE PTREMONT GOLF COURSE. THOSE AR THINGS WE STRIVE FOR. SO, INTERESTED PARTIES OF THE GOLF COURSE. WERE GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A A TWIST ON OUR R PRESENTATION FROM THIS POINT ON. THERE ARE SEVERAL INTERESTED TIES THAT ARE PART OF GOING TO THE GOLF COURSE ON ONGOING BASIS. OVERSEE THE CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF ARE VERY INSTRUCTED AS A CITY PROPERTY.

THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD, WE PARTICIPATE IN THIS BOARD BECAUSE WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE GOLF COURSE. THE WATERVIEW HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM A LOT. THEY CARE ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE A LOT. THAT'S WHY MY BIGGEST REASONS ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD TO BEGIN WITH. BECAUSE I LIVED ON THE GOLF COURSE AND IT'S VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. HAS A LOT TO DO WITH MY PROPERTY VALUE. TREND ONE GOLF CONSULTANT SANDY TOSH HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN KEEPING YOU GUYS INFORMED OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GOLF COURSE AS FAR AS STANDARDS OF WHAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED FROM THE AMERICAN GOLF. THEN AMERICA GOLF ITSELF IS THE OPERATING ENTITY THAT'S ACTUALLY OPERATING THE GOLF COURSE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

ALL THESE GUYS ARE INTERESTED PARTIES AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GOLF COURSE. SELL, OR GO TO GO BACK IN TIME A LITTLE BIT. FOR THE TALK ABOUT THE BROADER VIEW COMMUNITY AND HOW IT CAME TO BE IN THE GOLF COURSE. BASICALLY ÃBOUGHT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. DEVELOPED IT AND CREATED THE WATERVIEW COMMUNITY. IT'S A 725 ACRE MASTER PLAN GOLF COURSE COMMUNITY LOCATED IN TURN ONE ON THE WESTERN SHORE OF LAKE AGREE HUBBARD. AMENITIES ARE BLUNTED INCLUDING WATERPARK, GOLF COURSE, TENNIS COURTS, WALKING AND BIKE TRAILS, FISHING ON NUMEROUS LAKES. QUITE HONESTLY IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND BEING A PART OF TURN ONE. FIRST OF ITS KIND WATERPARK IN THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT IN THE BACKGROUND. THERE'S A HUGE WATERPARK WITH WATERSLIDES AND COMMUNITY CENTER AND NUMEROUS THINGS AROUND THE COMMUNITY AREA. THIS WAS ADVERTISED AND PUT TOGETHER BY JOSH. IT'S 21 HOLES, CITY GOLF COURSE.

THERE'S AN 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE AND A 3 HOLE PART 3. IT WAS A PART OF OUR OWN ISD. AS A FIRST MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF ROWLETT. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT A VALUE PROPOSITION. THE START OF THE TOP CIRCLE UP THERE.

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WE'VE GOT A WATERPARK, WE'VE GOT A COMMUNITY PARK. WE'VE GOT TRAILS WE'VE GOT TENNIS COURTS. WE'VE GOT TO SUPERIOR SCHOOLS THAT ARE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT FIRE STATIONS AND WITH GOT THE GOLF COURSE. IF YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT DRAWING OVER TO THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS REALLY, REALLY INTEGRATED IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO, NEXT STOP TO THE RIGHT, 1744 HOLES IN THE WATERVIEW COMMUNITY. THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. ESTIMATED JUST OVER 6000 RESIDENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY LIVING THERE. SO OUT OF THE 1744 HOMES THERE IS 6 OF OVER $600 MILLION WORTH OF PROPERTY VALUE IN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. THIS IS 2021 OR 2022.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH. THERE WERE SOME TAXABLE VALUE INCLUDING THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BRING A $50,000. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY LOW NUMBER BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW THAT ARE SELLING 6 AND $700,000. BUT, THE TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY FROM OUR VIEW IS FOR HELPING YOU DOLLARS TO 2022. WE CAME UP WITH AN ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE GOLF COURSE AT $900,000 A YEAR. HOW TO BECOME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT BASICALLY TALK ABOUT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY HAVE AMENITIES AND THE AMENITIES A LOT OF THE TIMES ARE OPEN SPACES OF GREEN SPACES. THEY'RE VERY DESIRABLE IN A COMMUNITY. ANNA GOLF COURSE IS ONE OF THEM. THIS COMMUNITY HAS 725 ACRES. 225 ACRES OF IT IS THE GOLF COURSE.

THAT IS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S REALLY COME UP FROM A HOMEOWNERS PERSPECTIVE I WALK OUT MY BACKYARD AND LOOK OUT AND FOR MY HOUSE TO THE HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FAIRWAY IS ABOUT 200 YARDS. SO, YOU REALLY GET THAT OPEN SPACE FEELING LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S REALLY GREAT. SO COME OUT OF THOSE 1744 HOMES, 525 OF THEM ACTUALLY BACK UP TO THE GOLF COURSE. THAT'S A PRE-SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAXIMIZING THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT THEY COULD GET BACKING UP TO THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO GET A PREMIUM ON THOSE LOTS. BUT, THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU VALUE THAT? WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE GOLF COURSE WERE TO GO BROWN? WHAT IF IT WAS ABANDONED? WHAT IF IT DIED? THAT'S HAPPENED. MANY TIMES. I GET A MAGAZINE FROM C AI WHICH IS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION THAT TALKS ABOUT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE GOLF COURSES WHERE THEY DIED. THEY CALL IT BROWN SPACE. THEY CLAIM THE TERM, BROWN SPACE. WHERE COMMUNITY LOOSES AN AMENITY LIKE THAT, TYPICALLY THE PROPERTY VALUES ARE IMPACTED IN A NEGATIVE WAY 20 TO 30 PERCENT. THOSE ARE REAL NUMBERS AND THAT HAS HAPPENED ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN GARLAND AT EASTERN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SUFFERED DRAMATICALLY. MY AUNT JUST SOLD A HOUSE THAT WAS 4 BEDROOMS, 2 HALF BATHS FOR 2 AND $40,000 ON 1/4 LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS STILL IMPACTED TO THIS DAY. SO WE A NUMBER, A NUMBER THAT CAI CAME UP WITH WAS 20 TO 30 PERCENT NEGATIVE IMPACT. IF YOU TAKE 20 PERCENT OF THAT FOR A HALF-MILLION DOLLAR REVENUE TO THE CITY OF TURN ONE, THAT'S $900,000 WORTH OF TAX REVENUE THAT YOU WOULD LOSE IF THAT SPACE WOULD TO GO BROWN. SO, THAT'S WHAT THIS LIGHT IS ALL ABOUT. WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS OF COURSE GOES BROWN. REMEMBER I TOLD YOU ABOUT SOME PICTURES WE HAD IN

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THAT'S A LAKE THAT'S ON THE GOLF COURSE. IT'S TO TOP RIGHT PICTURES. THEY HAD LET THE WILLOW TREES GROW WILD AND NOTHING WAS BEING DONE WITH THE LAKE. SO THE LEAK WAS SILTED IN AND BASICALLY IT WASN'T EVEN A LAKE. YOU COULD PRACTICALLY WALK ACROSS IT IN THE LEFT PICTURE ON THE TOP YOU SEE TRASH LAYING ALL OVER THE TOP OF THE LAKE. THE PEOPLE THAT BACKED UP, THERE'S LIKE 10 HOMES BACKED UP TO THIS LAKE.

I WAS A PART OF THE HOA. THEY WERE JUST GIVING US FITS ABOUT THAT LAKE. ONE OF THE BIG REASONS THEY WERE GIVING US FITS ABOUT IT IS THEY HAD NEW TRIM THAT WOULD LEAVE THE LAKE WHICH IS A WATER RAT LIVING IN THE LAKE. IF THERE'S A PICTURE OF IT IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER. WATER RATS ARE FOOT TO A FOOT AND AND A HALF LONG. THEY ARE BIG RATS. THEY WERE LIVING IN THAT LAKE. IT TOOK US SEVERAL YEARS TO FINALLY GET IT TO THE POINT WHERE THAT LOWER RIGHT PICTURE, AFTER WE HAD CLEANED IT UP AND WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. THIS IS WHAT A LAKE IN A BROWN SPACE WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN NOBODY WAS TAKING CARE OF IT. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LIVED NEXT TO. THERE WERE LAKES ALL OVER THIS GOLF COURSE. THIS WOULD JUST BE PERPETUATED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO UNMANAGED BROWN SPACE AND UNMANAGED SPACES CREATE A NUISANCE FOR HOMEOWNERS. GRASS WILL GROW TO 3 FEET LONG AND NOT WATER THE SUMMER. THOSE BECOME HAZARD AND ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE THING AT ALL. YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE 20 TO 30 PERCENT BECOMES AN ISSUE. SO, I WERE PITCH TO YOU THIS EVENING IS, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INVEST IN A GOLF CLUB? RIGHT NOW OR IN THE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD IN THIS GOLF COURSE. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE BECOME A HIGH END MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT BACKUP TO THAT GOLF COURSE? COULD WE INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES BY 10 PERCENT? BY 20 PERCENT? 20 PERCENT WE KNOW'S ARTICLE TO BE ON HUNDRED THOUSAND TO PROBABLY 1.2 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMING INTO THE CITY. SO, IF WE COULD INVEST IN THIS GOLF COURSE OVER A 2 Ã3 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. I MOVE FROM THE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD MUNICIPAL WEALTH COURSE TO HIGH END MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE. OR A VERY NICE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE ALREADY WANT TO LIVED IN WATERFIELD. NOW THEY REALLY WANT TO LIVED IN WATERVIEW BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY NICE PLACE. THAT'S OUR PITCH TO YOU THIS EVENING. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK INVESTING IN A GOLF COURSE IS POURING MONEY DOWN A HOLE. WE WANT YOU TO THINK OF THIS AS RETURN ON INVESTMENT. YOU INVEST IN THIS GOLF COURSE. THE COMMUNITY WILL PAY BACK.

SO, LONG TERM NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS. WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK UP TO THE GOLF COURSE AND OUR GOALS AND THINGS WE DON'T NEED TO BE DONE. THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, DRAINAGE, CLUBHOUSE UPGRADES, LANDSCAPE UPGRADES. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE PENDING OUT THERE. THIS GOLF COURSE IS NOW 23 YEARS OLD? LARRY? 24 YEARS OLD. WE HAVE 2107 INDIVIDUAL SPICKLER HEADS OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE. THE PUMP STATION IS CAPABLE OF PUMPING 32 GALLONS 3200 GALLONS OF WATER A MINUTE.

WE GET WATER FED INTO IT INTEGRATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN PICTURES OF FROM LAKE RAY HUBBARD. WERE GETTING WATER AND ONGOING BASIS FROM LAKE RAY HUBBARD. SINCE 2018 IRRIGATION SYSTEM HAS HAD MULTIPLE REPAIRS. ORIGINALLY DESIGNED ZONE VALVES NO LONGER OPERATE AS THEY SHOULD AND NEED TO BE REPLACED. THE USEFUL LIFE OF MOST GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS TYPICALLY 25 Ã35 YEARS. APPROXIMATE COST TO REPLACE THE WHOLE SYSTEM AT ONE TIME IS A $2 MILLION PRICE TAG.

WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOME KIND OF A BOND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT KIND OF WORK. WHAT WERE PROPOSING AS WE DO 10 PERCENT OF THIS UPGRADE PROCESS AT A TIME. WHERE WERE GOING TO BE SPENDING 60 Ã$100,000 AT A TIME DOING THINGS THAT ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE DONE AND ONGOING UPGRADE THEY ARE GAY

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CART PATHS, THIS GROUNDS EXPANDS AND CONTRACTS LIKE CRAZY. IT CRACKS EVERY PIECE OF CONCRETE THAT IS ON IT. YOU SEE THAT IN THE ROOT SYSTEM AROUND HERE ALL THE TIME. SAME THING ON THE CART PATHS. THOSE DEEMED TO BE UPDATED AND REPLACED. WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT OF THE LAST 2 TO 3 YEARS.

WE'VE REPLACE SOME OF THOSE REALLY BAD CART PATHS. WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE IS A REALLY BAD ISSUE OUT THERE. BECAUSE THESE PIPES, THESE DRAIN PIPES ARE BURIED SO DEEP UNDER THE GROUND TO CREATE THE SLANT DRAINAGE.

THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE COLLAPSING SOME OF THEM ARE UP TO 20 FEET DEEP. THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. WE'VE GOT MOST OF OUR TRAINS HAVE BEEN CLASPED OR AT LEAST SQUEEZE DOWN INTO A SHAPE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO, CONCLUSION. THE GOLF COURSE IS A SALUTE NIP GET ACCENT WITH RICH AMENITIES FOR ALL CITIZENS OF TREND ONE. TREMENDOUS INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY FOR THE CITY. MOST SIGNIFICANT BRANDING FOR THE CITY.

CONTINUE INVESTMENT IN THIS ASSET IS CRITICAL NOT ONLY TO THE CITY BUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE HOA. IT'S VITAL TO MAINTAIN PROPERTY VALUES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

QUITE HONESTLY, IF WE COULD GET THIS GOLF COURSE UP IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS WHERE IT IS A HIGH-END GOLF COURSE. IT WILL COMPETE WITH A BUFFALO CREEK OR SOME OF THE OTHER GOLF COURSES THAT ARE OVER IN ROCKWALL. AS OUR COMMUNITY, WE WOULD WANT VISITORS THAT ARE VISITING THE PROPERTY SUCCUMB TO OUR GOLF COURSE INSTEAD OF ANOTHER GOLF COURSE THAT'S OVER IN ROCKVILLE. THAT'S BASICALLY OUR PRESENTATION.

>> VERY WELL DONE. BEST PRESENTATION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL IN MY 6 YEARS. GREAT JOB TO YOU ALL.

I THINK THIS ALSO ANSWERS A LOT OF CRITICAL QUESTIONS FOR NOT JUST THE COUNCIL BUT, THE COMMUNITY. AS TO WHY TO INVEST IN THE GOLF COURSE. HE PRESENTED FACTS AND DATA THAT SHOWS WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO OUR REVENUE AS THE CITY AT THE GOLF COURSE AND IF IT'S NOT MAINTAIN PROPERTY. THE QUESTION, HE SAID $900,000 IN TAXES WOULD GO IF THE GOLF COURSE WAS BROWN.

THAT'S 100,000 GOING INTO THE CITY EACH YEAR?

>> EACH YEAR. >> IS AN AMAZING FACTOR WHEN YOU CONSIDER INVESTMENT INTO THE COURSE. SAY INVESTING MILLION DOLLARSAND BOND ELECTION, FINANCING FOR 20 YEAR PERIOD. YOU'RE GONNA GET ALL THAT BACK AND THEN SOME.

BEFORE THAT BOND ORDER EXPIRES. IT'S A GREAT WAY TO LOOK AT THAT. THAT WILL HELP ME WHEN I CONSIDER DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE ON INVESTMENT IN THE GOLF COURSE. SEEING THOSE FIGURES TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY TO THE PUBLIC SAYING, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS IF THE GOLF COURSE WAS BROWN. ON HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN TAX REVENUE GONE. PER YEAR. SO, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THAT AND ALL THE DATA THAT YOU'VE GOT. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. THE MONUMENT SIGNS YOU ARE REPLACING OR HAVE REPLACEABLE'S ONE AND 18 IS THAT RESULTS OF GROUND SHIFTING AS WELL? DID THEY TILT TO FORCE OR DAMAGED

BY SOMEONE? >> ONE OF THEM GOT BROKEN AND TRYING TO MOVE IT AND STRAIGHTEN IT. IT GOT BROKEN IN HALF ON 18. THE ONE ON 1, WE HAD IT REPLACED IT. WE PULLED IT DOWN TO HANG IT AND REFURBISH IT TO DETERMINE IF WE WERE GONNA GO AND SPEND THE TIME FOR ALL THE REST OF THE MONUMENT SIGNS OR JUST REPLACE THEM. BUT WE FOUND OUT IS WHEN YOU REPLACE THE ONE IT WAS $2400 JUST TO GET THAT ONE MONUMENT ON. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY PAID FOR IT ORIGINALLY.

IF WE HAD TO GO REPLACE ALL THE MONUMENTS IN THE WHOLE FACILITY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

WE GOT THE ONE DONE AND WE ARE READY TO ERECT THEM AND PUT THEM BACK IN PLACE. AND THEN MY WIFE AND I DURING COVID, AS ONE OF OUR PROJECTS WE WENT AROUND AND PAINTED ALL THE MONUMENTS GOT THEM LOOKING NEW AGAIN. SO, WE PAINTED AND NOW WE ARE READY TO PUT THEM BACK IN PLACE. THOSE REALLY, IF WE GET TO THE POINT OF NOT BEING IN THE MIDDLE ROAD MUNICIPAL COURSE AND TO GET TO THE HIGH END IT'S MONUMENTS.

>> ARE ANY OF THE OTHER MUNICIPAL SCIENCE NEED TO BE'S

THEY PLACED OR ARE THEY OKAY? >> WE STRAIGHTEN THEM GOING TO

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>> IS IT POSSIBLE TO REPAIR THOSE IF THEY GET BROKEN? SOME MARBLE COUNTERTOPS CAN BE REPAIRED. I KNOW SOME OF THE MOST PITIFUL THING. PROBABLY A LOT FASTER THAN 6 MONTHS.

>> IT TAKES SOMETHING REALLY SIGNIFICANT TO BREAK ONE.

THOSE THINGS ARE LIKE 802 WITH ALSO POUNCE. YOU DON'T JUST GO OUT AND START MOVING THEM. COULD YOU PREPARE ONE IF IT BROKE IN HALF. YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME STEEL RODS INBOTH PIECES.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO IT? YES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M NOT

SURE. >> SOME GRAVESTONES COULD BE REPAIRED. IT TAKES A SPECIAL INSTRUMENT.

>> ARE YOU TRYING TO TIE GRAVESTONES TO GOLF? HAVE YOU

BEEN WATCHING THE WAY I PLAY? >> NOT AT ALL. [LAUGHTER]

>> I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. >> SURE. HUG

>>.[INAUDIBLE]. >> EASTERN HILLS?

>> YEAH. IT REALLY AFFECTED IT. I SAW SOME HOUSES OVER THERE. NOBODY WANTS TO GO OVER THERE.

>> WANTS THAT SPACE BECOMES BROWN SPACE IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY. IT EITHER ADDS TO IT OR TAKES AWAY FROM IT.

THERE'S NO MIDDLE GROUND. >> IT LOOKS LIKE A WRECK TO ME.

[INAUDIBLE] >> I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS IF I MAY. THE FOUNTAINS ARE NOT WORKING?

>> YES, SIR NO. >> YES I KNOW, WHO WAS

REPAIRING THE FOUNTAINS? >> LONE STAR FOUNTAINS.

>> WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM TO REPAIR THE PROBLEMS?

>> WE GOT SOMEBODY FROM CITY COUNCIL TO THE GOLF BOARD. WE TOOK THINK WITH $10,000 AND PUT IT TOWARDS REPAIR WHAT FOUNTAINS WE COULD. WE HAVE A LOT OF FOUNTAINS OUT THERE. WE HAVE 9 FOUNTAINS AND 11 RECIRCULATING PUMPS. IT'S QUITE AN INVESTMENT. THE $10,000 GOT US PROBABLY ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH IT. HUGS I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE COST.

I'M THINKING ABOUT REPAIRING THE FOUNTAINS I THINK IT MAY

FALL UNDER JOSH. >> NO, THOSE FOUNTAINS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOLF COURSE WHEN IT WAS BUILT. WE AS A CITY PUT THOSE IN LIKE 10 Ã12 YEARS AGO. SO THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE CONTRACT, PER SOUTHEAST.

>> I HEARD THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME AMATEUR FENCE OUT

THERE IN APRIL? >> USGA. YEAH.

>> WHAT WAS A REACTION FROM THOSE PLAYERS TO THE GOLF

COURSE? DO WE KNOW? >> IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

IT'S IN MAY. ACTUALLY, JUNE OR AUGUST?

>> THEY HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET. >> THEY HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET.

>> SO WHO GAVE US THE THINGS A LIST OF THINGS WHO PERFORMED THE ASSESSMENT TO COME UP WITH THOSE?

>> AS FAR AS THE IRRIGATION AND THE SPRINKLERS AND SO FORTH?

>> RIGHT HERE IN. >> WE REACHED OUT TO SANDY AND TO AMY WHO IS OUR SUPERINTENDENT ON THE GROUNDS.

TO GIVE US AN IDEA. LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THE TRI-WEATHER AND SO FORTH WE HAD A LOT OF CRACKING IN THE GROUND. WE HAD A LOT OF IRRIGATION PROBLEMS. WE HAD PULLED A LOT OF IRRIGATION FITTINGS APART IN THE GROUND. WHICH CREATES A GEYSER. THERE IS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THOSE WATERLINES.

>> I REMEMBER PLAYING OUT THERE DURING THE DROUGHT AND TELLING ME HOW MUCH WATER THEY WERE PUTTING DOWN.

>> A MILLION GALLONS A DAY. >> I DO NOT SEE THAT HAPPENING ON THE COURSE BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE COURSE. I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS ARCHLY HAPPENING.

>> THOUGHTS WHAT I WAS TOLD IT WAS.

>> YOU HAVE A LIST OF THINGS TO BE DONE. I HAD AN INDEPENDENT PASSESSMENT ON THE COURSE. FIRST THING THAT WAS NOTED IS THAT THE ÃWASN'T DONE IN 25 YEARS.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> WE HAVEN'T HAVE A TON. AND THEN FAIRWAYS. THE ASSESSMENT WAS AND TO AND ROUGH AND THAT'S

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I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE TOP OF MIND IN THE IN THE ASSESSMENT OF THIS COURSE. IN THE EXTENT FOR THE IRRIGATION REPAIRS TO PROVIDE THAT, I WAS AGHAST. WE HAVE NOT AERATED THAT COURSE.

MANY ON THAT WATER JUST NOT GO INTO THAT BLACK CLAY. IT RUNS

OFF OF THAT BLACK CLAY. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I'M REALLY CURIOUS. EFFORTS OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS TO EXHIBIT F WHICH STRIKES ME AS BEING A COUNTERPARTY ARGUMENT FOR THE CURRENT EXHIBIT WHICH CONCERNS ME. THE BEST WAY TO KILL GOLF COURSES TO MAKE IT A LOW GRADE COURSE. WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. I LAST YEAR DOWNGRADED THE COURSE FROM A 3-STAR TO A 2 STAR.

>> I WOULDN'T DISAGREE. >> I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE CONSULTANT REPORTS UNTIL ASKED. I THINK THIS COUNCIL SHOULD RECEIVE THE SEMIANNUAL CONSULTANT REPORTS. CRACKS ITS

QUARTERLY AT WILLIAMS. >> I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S

QUARTERLY OR NOT. >> HE WAS JUST HERE. YOU SHOULD BE GETTING ONE SHORTLY. I APPLAUD YOUR WORK AND LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC VALUE. THANK YOU SKIPPED A FEW THINGS. WE CAN START TO DRAW OFFENSE, HER THIS PAST WEEKEND THERE WERE QUALIFIERS BEING DRAWN. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT. TO REINVEST IN THE COURSE IT'S NOT DRAWING QUALIFIERS FOR THE USGA PROFESSIONAL COURSES NOT JUST THE AMATEUR EVENTS. THIS IS A HIGHER STEP THAN THAT. THAT CREATES A REPUTATION FOR THE CITY AS BEING THE GOLF COURSE TO PLAY OUT. THAT DRAWS PEOPLE TO USE IT AND THEN TO USE WHATEVER RESTAURANTS WE HAVE ANTIMATTER HOTEL IF WE HAVE THESE EVENTS. I AM THRILLED YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF AN ECONOMIC ENGINE. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 38,000 Ã42,000 ROUNDS OF GOLF. I COULD TELL YOU MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS IN 2018 I COULD GO OUT AND GET TEE TIME ALMOST ANYWHERE. IF I WAS TRYING TO DO THAT TOMORROW MORNING I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET AT TEE TIME THE BUFFALO CREEK. I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TEATIME TO MESQUITE. I PROBABLY CAN GET A TEE TIME IN WATERGATE. WATERVIEW, I SAT THERE ON THE FRIDAY MORNING AND DID THIS MULTIPLE TIMES. ES. WATERVIEW IS BEING BOOKED AS A LAST COURSE NOT THE FIRST COURSE. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY GOLF TODAYYOU GO THROUGH THE LIST. MY PREFERENCE. WE DO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. THIS COURSE OPEN IS A HIGH FEE MUNICIPAL COURSE. IT WAS $45 AROUND FOR RESIDENCE 25 YEARS AGO. CURRENTLY HE IS PROBABLY $70. THERE'S LOTS OF GOLFERS THAT WILL PLAY A COURSE FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. I ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS ECONOMIC ENGINE.

I KNOW SOME OF OUR SUBSTANCE LOOK AT IT AS A SINKHOLE. IT IS PRESENTLY ROUGHLY BREAKING EVEN. I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY IS BECAUSE THE GOLF FUND DOES NOT INCLUDE A CHARGE FOR THE BOND PAYMENTS FOR THE GREENS THAT WE PUT IN 2 Ã3 YEARS AGO. WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO DRIVE THE REVENUE UP.

COMING TO US. SO WE CAN AFFORD TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT. RIGHT NOW THE REVENUE WE ARE GETTING IS FIXED. ANY INVESTMENT WE MAKE WE ARE NOT GETTING A RETURN FROM. THE RETURN IS GOING TO THE MANAGEMENT ONLY. IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE REVENUE

UP, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

IT'S DEATHLY A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION. WE NEED TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AGAIN AND COME BACK TO THAT AGAIN. ABOUT OUR OVERALL STRATEGIC VIEW OF THE GOLF COURSE AND WHAT THE FUTURE IS FOR THE GOLF COURSE. ABSOLUTELY. WE WILL HAVE THOSE

CONVERSATIONS. >> CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION?

>> RIGHT, THE THINGS YOU HAD MENTIONED THE MASTER PLAN IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE OF THE CITIES PURVIEW. WE TALK ABOUT FAIRWAYS, AND GREENS THAT'S MORE UNDER AMERICAN GOLF'S PERVIOUS. THERE GONNA SAY WE NEED BETTER IRRIGATION AT THOSE

TYPE OF THINGS. [INAUDIBLE] >> I THINK THE AIR-CONDITIONING

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GET THE REVENUES. >> DEFINITELY A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION TO HAVE THE FUTURE.

>> I APPRECIATE YOUR LAST WORDS . I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO. IF ARE GOING TO HAVE A DESTINATION WE WANT TO HAVE A GOLF COURSE. SO NOT

GOING EAST ON 30. >> ABSOLUTELY SIR.

>> I THINK IT SHOULD BE TOTALLY CONNECTED. AND THE GOLF COURSE, I THINK WE'VE GOT 2 OR 3 YEARS TO BE ABLE TO PULL THIS PROCESS OFF. I MAKE THIS REALLY UNATTRACTIVE PLACE TO BE. WE JUST HAVE TO WORK AT IT.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>>.[INAUDIBLE]. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ALMOST HER WHOLE BOARD HERE. BOUTS OF DEPRESSION IMPRESSIVE SHOW. WE DEATHLY AS A COUNCIL WILL BE COMING BACK TO HAVE A MORE BROAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COURSE IN GENERAL. IN THE FUTURE. AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. VERY WELL DONE.

THIS GIVES ME THE TOOLS TO JUSTIFY FOREIGN INVESTMENT IN THE GOLF COURSE. I CAN SAY HEY, IF IT'S BROWNING $900,000 OFF THE TAX ROLLS. THAT'S A HUGE IMPACT. I APPRECIATE THAT

INFORMATION. ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE YOUR

[3B. Presentation and discussion regarding proposed amendments to the cell tower lease agreement contract. (45 minutes)]

TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 3B. PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CELL TOWER LEASE AGREEMENT CONTRACT.

>> HELLO. >> ASSISTANT

DIRECTOR.[INAUDIBLE]. >> I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY TO VOMIT I DIDN'T

KNOW THAT. IS IT NEW. >> YES.

>> CONGRATULATIONS. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. ALSO, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS ITEM?

>> >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> SO HISTORY ON THIS S IS CELLULAR TOWERS EQUIPMENT ARE OFTEN PLACE ON CITY STRUCTURES SUCH AS WATER TOWERS, WATER TANKS, THEY ARE ALSO LOCATED WITHIN CITY PARKS ON ACTUAL CELL TOWER STRUCTURE. THE UTILIZATION OF CITY PROPERTY REQUIRES A LICENSE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE LICENSEE WHO WISHES TO PLACE THIS EQUIPMENT ON CITY PROPERTY. THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE 50 BACK TO EARLY 1990S AND TO EACH AGREEMENT HAS A SPECIFIED TERM, LEASE RATE AND RENEWAL OPTION. MOST OF THESE PIECES HAVE A 3 Ã 5 TERM. IT INCLUDES AUTOMATIC EXTENSIONS OF THE LEASE FOR ADDITIONAL 3 Ã5 YEAR TERMS. EACH TERM RENEWAL TYPICALLY REQUIRES A SPECIFIED PERCENTAGE INCREASE TO THE BASE FEES.

THERE CURRENTLY 9 CITY FACILITIES THAT ARE LEAST TO TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANIES. THE TOWERS COME IN 2 FORMS. IT'S ATTACHMENT TO WATER TOWERS AND STANDARD FACILITIES. THESE ARE THE CURRENT LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AS ALL OF Y'ALL KNOW, SO COMPANIES, THEY WANT TO PLACE IN A CERTAIN AREA SO THEIR COVERAGE, CELL COVERAGE, IS MOST AFFECTED BY THE LOCATION OF THESE TOWERS SO THERE AREN'T

[00:45:04]

>> AND ALSO, COUNCIL ONE THING WE FELT TO MENTION IN THE PRESENTATION. THESE LEASES WOULD BE MANAGED THROUGH MY JOB SYSTEM SO WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. THEY WOULD BE HOUSED INTO MY GUV SYSTEM AND ALL THE PAYMENTS WOULD COME THROUGH ONE PROCESS TO MAKE FINANCE DEPARTMENTS LIFE EASIER AS

WELL. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAS CREATED SOME CONFUSION HERE IS THAT THERE'S BEEN, AS YOU ALL KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMPANIES, WE HAD NEXTEL, SPRINT, CLEAR WIRE APPEARED A LOT OF THOSE COMPANIES EMERGED.

SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED WHEN SEPARATE CELL PHONE COMPANIES YOU HAD TO HAVE RATE SYSTEMS TO OPERATE THE CELL PHONES THAT WERE WITHIN THAT NETWORK. EVEN WHEN THE PHONE COMPANIES MERGE THEY STILL MAINTAIN SEPARATE NETWORKS FOR PERIOD OF TIME. AS THOSE NETWORKS NOW BECAME INTEGRATED WE ARE SEEING THE 5G ROLLOUTS. THOSE NETWORKS ARE MORE INTEGRATED AND THE NEED FOR MAINTAINING SEPARATE NETWORKS IS GONE. SO, WHAT WERE SEEN AS REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF LEASES BECAUSE OF THOSE CONSOLIDATIONS AND THOSE DIFFERENT CELL PHONE COMPANIES.

>> YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF THE CODE LOCATES ITS YELLOW WATER TOWERS AND STANDALONE TOWERS AND THE FIRE STATION ONE. THE NUMBER OF CODE LOCATES AND CABINET OF CABINET SPACE IS DECREASED. WE ARE SEEING A CONSOLIDATION OF THIS

TYPE OF FACILITY. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT DID CREATE SOME PROBLEMS IS THAT IN THE PAST IF A SILKEN COMPANY BUILT A TOWER ON A CITY PARK THERE'S A PART IN THE CONTRACT REQUIRES A CELL PHONE COMPANY TO DONATE THAT TO THE CITY THE CITY OWNED OUT TOWER. UNFORTUNATELY PART OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CELL PHONE TOWERS AS ANNUAL INSPECTIONS TO

[00:50:01]

>> THAT'S WITH THE FEE INCREASE. [INAUDIBLE].

>> YES. >> AFTER 6 MONTHS WE CAN DETERMINE HAVE THE DROPPED OFF THE AMOUNT WE WERE PROJECTING OF WHAT THAT BALLPARK IS AND REPORT BACK ON THAT TOO.

>> HOW MUCH DOES IT COST US ANNUALLY ON TOWER MAINTENANCE

AND WE CONTRACT THAT OUT? >> PUBLIC WORKS, THERE'S A TOWER ON ÃTHAT NEEDED SOME WORK AND WE DON'T HAVE THE

SKILL SET TO TAKE CARE OF IT. >> SO WE DON'T MAINTAIN THEM?

>> NO. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> ONE THING I WILL CHIP IN WITH THIS. WE DID THESE THESE CONTRACTS THESE TOWERS GENERALLY HAD 4 CABINETS IN THEM. USUALLY THE COMPANY THAT WOULD BUILD IT WOULD CAPTURE THE TOP 2 WITCHES THE LOCATION FOR THEIR EQUIPMENT. AND THEN TRYING TO SUBLEASE THE OTHER 2 WITH THE IDEA THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT IN THE TOWER, THE LEASE WOULD GO AGAINST THAT AND WE WOULD REDUCE THEIR LEASE PAYMENT FOR PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL THEY RECOUP THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE COST. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE CONTRACTS WERE DESIGNED THIS WAY IS NOT IF WE DID IT PRIVATELY AND THEY WERE ABLE TO OWN THE TOWER AND PUT IT ON OUR LOCATION AND UNDER ARMOUR RULES. THEY COULD HIKE UP THE COST TO THE NEXT COLEY T ON THE COWER WER CREATING A FINANCIAL AGE. BECAUSE HER TOWERS WOULD BE LESS THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS. I DON'T THINK WE REALLY EVER PLAN FOR THE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE TOWERS

EITHER . >> WERE NOT SURE WHAT TOWERS MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN A CERTAIN CONDITION WHETHER GOOD OR BAD

STRUCTURALLY. BECAUSE? >> WE HAVE UNTIL THOSE

INSPECTIONS. >> IN TERMS OF THE CODE LOCATE ON THE WATER TOWERS SPIRIT OBVIOUSLY WHEN THERE'S REPAIR TO THE WATER TOWER I KNOW IN THE PAST WE CALL UP THE TELECOM COMPANY TO MAKE SURE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IS SECURE WHILE WE NEED TO DO OUR WORK ON THE WATER TOWER. I TO KNOW THAT

PIECE. >> SO WE WILL STILL OWN THE TOWERS BUT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

MAINTENANCE? >> THE WAY WE ARE PROPOSING THE LEASE IS THAT THE COMPANY THAT BUILT THE TOWER WOULD OWN IT

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OF IT. >> OKAY THEY WOULD THEN GET THE

REVENUES FOR THE ADDITIONAL? >> WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THE REVENUES BECAUSE IT'S STILL ON CITY PROPERTY.

>> WERE JUST LEASING THE SPACE ON THE PROPERTY ON A NUMBER OF RADIOS FOR A NUMBER OF SERVICE PROVIDERS ON THE TOWER.

>> THE REDUCTION IN THE LEASE /RENT.[INAUDIBLE]

>> THE ONE THAT WOULD OWN IT WOULD HAVE THE DEDUCTION BUT NOT THE OTHER. THAT WOULD BE THE INCENTIVE FOR THEM?

>> RIGHT. >> THERE'S FOR TOWERS? IS THAT

CORRECT? [INAUDIBLE] >> THERE'S ONE AT FIRE STATION ONE, FIRE STATION 3, FIRE STATION FOR EXCLUDING THE TEMPORARY TOWER AND ÃPARK. THESE ARE THE 4?

>> YES. KITTY REBEL PARK. THERE WAS ONE ON THAT ONE.

THEY DID PUT UP A TEMPORARY TOWER. THEY ARE WORKING ON PERMANENT PLANS FOR PERMANENT TOWER. WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL

BE PART OF THIS. >> A FAILURE ON THEIR CLAIM AND OR THE STRUCTURE OF THE TOWER? ER?

>> ARE THESE ALL THE CELL TOWERS IN THE CITY.

>> WE HAVE ONE AT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. THERE IS A TOWER THERE. PENALTY GETS REFERENCED HERE. THAT'S A

STANDALONE TOWER TOO. >> CAN YOU THROW YOUR MOUTH

BACK UP THERE. >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> THERE WAS AGREEMENT THAT EXPIRED IN 2022. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT ARE EXPIRING THIS YEAR.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> THAT IS FIRE STATION 3.

>> IS THIS ALL THE TOWERS OF THE CITY?

>> JUST THE ONES ON CITY PROPERTY.

>> I WILL TELL YOU THIS. LIMITS WILL PROCESS FOR STARTED. IT WAS BEFORE I EVEN STARTED. THIS WAS OVER 20 YEARS AGO. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT WERE IN THE CITY THAT GOD BUILT BEFORE THE CITY SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, WE ARE GOING TO REGULATE THIS AND I KNOW ONE WAS OUT OF CHURCH AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT CHURCH. ANOTHER ONE WAS WHERE THERE WERE WATER FORM IS OUT THERE ON MERRITT ROAD WAS A SECOND ONE.

THE CITY TOOK OVER THAT PROCESS OF STARTING TO DO THAT. THEY DID THAT AT A TIME IT WAS AN EVOLVING PRACTICE. IN OTHER WORDS UP STILL EARLY ENOUGH AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE WAS ONLY DIFFERENT THINGS. I CAN REMEMBER, ONCE I STARTED ENTER THE RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT LIKE THE NEXT ONE WANTED TO COME IN. WE WOULD DO THE RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RENT SHOULD BE, WHAT THE TERMS SHOULD BE AND WHAT WE FOUND OUT. EVERYBODY DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT WAS NOT ANY REAL, THERE WAS A STANDARD AT ALL. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS CONTINUED ON. NOW THAT PIPER HAS TO BE PAID TO SOME EXTENT IN THIS MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO BE DONE AND KEPT UP WITH THIS IS A MUCH BETTER PROPOSAL FOR US BECAUSE WE DON'T BEAR THAT RISK IF THERE SOME ISSUE WITH THE

TOWER. >> SO, YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING

$4000 PER MONTH? >> YES.

>> AND THE RENTAL FEES AND NATIONAL AVERAGES $5200 PER MONTH. WAS THERE A CONSIDERATION TO GO HIGHER THAN THAT? THE 4000 DUE TO THE MONOPOLIZATION? I KNOW YOU'RE CALLING IT CONSOLIDATION. I'M GONNA CALL IT WHAT IT IS. IT'S MONOPOLIZING THESE COMPANIES IN ORDER O TO GIVE BACK SOME OF THE COST THAT WE WILL INEVITABLY LOSE AS THEY

MONOPOLIZE. >> WHATEVER THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO SET THE FEES OUT. THAT WAS JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION.

[01:00:02]

>> IS JUST THE AVERAGE OF THE DF W AREA?

>> ICON BLOCK WALL AND GUARDED AND TRIED TO GET NUMBERS FROM THEM. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET THEM. I KNOW GARLAND INDICATED CATED TO ME THERE ARE A LOT OF NTRACTS AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE BOARD. WHEN WE FLOATED THE IDEA OF THIS CONCEPT TO GARLAND, GARLAND SAID THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I WISH WE HAD DONE THAT. . IT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER CITIES.

>> DEFINED THAT BENCHMARK IS SO DIFFICULT. YOU DID SEE THE INTERESTING STANDARD AT 55 OR 52. 2.

>> THAT'S BEFORE ALL THE CONSOLIDATION MANIPULATIONTION THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE MARKET. I WONDERAS A RESULT OF THE MONOPOLIES THAT YOU WILL START TO SEE ADJUSTMENTS FROM ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF LOCAL ENTITIES LIKE ROWLETT TO RESULT FROM MONOPOLIZING. I'M THINKING SHOULD WE GET AHEAD OF THE CHANGE THAT WILL COME TO TO THE MALL BLESSING AND GO

HIGHER. >> HAVE WE HAD ANY CONVERSATION

WITH THEM? >> YES, WE HAVE TOLD THEM WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS AND WORK ESSENTIAL COUNCIL THIS MONTH.

WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE A FINAL LEASE FINALIZED IN JUNE AND BE READY TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE LEASES.

>> THERE ARE 4 THAT EXPIRED, RIGHT?

>> YES. >> THOSE ARE STANDALONE'S.

YES. >> NOT INCLUDING WATER TOWERS.

THERE ARE 2 ON WATER TOWERS. >> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH EXISTING CONTRACTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN FORCE? WILL WE JUST WAIT UNTIL THEY EXPIRE AND REDO THEM?

>> YOU HOW TO ROLL THIS OVER COUPLE OF YEARS UNTIL HE GOT

ALL CAUGHT UP. >> SEVERAL YEARS. THERE'S ONE THAT'S NOT TILL 2028. THIS ONE IS 2034.

>> ANOTHER THING THAT YOU'RE SAYING BASED ON THE CONSOLIDATION. CAN WE REVISIT OUR TERMS AND AGREEMENTS. WERE SEEING A LOT OF THAT HAPPENING AS RESULT OF THIS. IT WILL GIVE US A HEAD START AND THROWING THEM INTO THIS PROGRAM

TOO IF COUNCIL AGREES. >> THINK 5200 IS A CURRENT NATIONAL AVERAGE. I HAVE A FEELING IT'S GOING TO GO A LOT HIGHER IN THE COMING YEARS DUE TO THE MARKET CONSOLIDATION.

>> I DO THINK THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT RISK THAT THE MODEL MAY EVENTUALLY CHANGE AS WELL. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WHEN THE STATE SUPERSEDED OUR RIGHTS IN HER OWN RIGHT AWAY AND STARTED LETTING THEM TO NOTES. THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE HAVE HAD SOMETHING WELCOME WHAT WERE JUST GONNA DO THAT. WELL, MORE POWER TO YOU. AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO BE ON THE TOWER THEN THAT'S THE RULE.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING, 5G REQUIRES A GREAT DEAL OF AMOR ANTENNAS. LAST YEAR'S TECHNOLOGIES ON THESE TOWERS.

ARE WE TO EXPECT MORE LEASES COMING OUR WAY OR MORE LEASES

COMING TO THE CITY? >> IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE SHOULD SEE MORE. IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD START PUTTING SMALLER TOWERS AND LESS INTRUSIVE LOCATIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO END UP BRINGING. OBVIOUSLY IF THEY CAN PUT ONE TOWER, ONE SET OF ANTENNAS ON A TALLER TOWER A COVER MORE AREAS IS MORE COST-EFFECTIVE.

>> THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR 5G. >> NO IT DOESN'T.

>> YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE STREETLIGHTS WITH 5G TOWERS BUILT IN THEM. CAN WE BUILD MORE STREETLIGHTS?

>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF TOWERS ON 66. THE LARGE STEEL TOWERS. THEY ARE ADDING CELL TOWERS ON THE TOPS OF THOSE.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> THEY CAN AFFORD IT.

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>> DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTS LEFT.

>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M GOOD WITH 4000. I JUST FIGURED IF WE WERE CONSIDERING GOING TO 5.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS GET AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. [LAUGHTER].

>> SO NOW, GOING BACK TO CELL TOWER MAINTENANCE. SO, THIS CONTRACT WILL BE ROLLING IN OVER YOUR EXPIRATION TIMEFRAME.

SO, WITH REGARDS TO THE STANDALONE TOWERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. ARE WE GOING TO CONTRACT WITH AN INSPECTOR, INSPECTION COMPANY OR DO OUR OWN INSPECTIONS TO ENSURE INSPECTION OF INTEGRITY OF THE TOWERS WE STILL HAVE TO

MAINTAIN? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS WHEN A SECOND STRAND GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IF WE ARE DOING THIS WE DON'T WANT THE PROVIDERS TO COME BACK TO US AND SAY WELL YOU VERIFY THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE BEFORE WE TOOK IT OVER. WE WANT TO KNOW THE COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WE WOULD LOVE TO FIND 3RD PARTY WHO COULD DETERMINE THAT FOR US.

THINK IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE TO GET PAINT TO PUT ON A TOWER BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IT'S SOMETHING WERE GOING TO HAVE TO NAVIGATE QUITE HONESTLY AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT POINT. WE WILL HAVE TO SOMEHOW PUT A TYPE STATEMENT MAY BE IN THE TEMPLATE SENIOR ABSORBING THE COST OF UPGRADING THE TOWER SHOULD THE NEED ARRIVE. [INAUDIBLE].

>> LISTEN, >> WE GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL ON THAT NOT TO GO ANYMORE YEARS WITHOUT ENSURING THIN STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THESE TOWERS. WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO FALL OVER AND HURT SOMEBODY.

>> WE TRY TO BE PROACTIVE AND ASKING PROVIDERS IF THEY ARE WANTING TO REVISIT FOR NEW TEMPLATE. I CAN HAVE 2 OF THE PROVIDERS SET UP IN HERE TO SAY YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION

FOR US. >> IF YOU'RE WANTING TO HOW THE NEW LEASES FOR THE MID-JUNE TO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AS

TO WHAT IT WOULD BE? >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I ALMOST RATHER GO FOR THE 4000 AND I THINK THE I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY MORE FUEL UNDER FIRE FOR THE LOBBYISTS THAT ARE DOWN TICKLING THE LEGISLATORS HERE'S HOW THE CITIES ARE GOUGING PEOPLE FOR THIEVES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I THINK I KNOW IT'S JUST TURN ONE AND IT'S JUST A SMALL NUMBER OF TOWERS BUT, IT WOULD FURTHER FUEL THE PERCEPTION THAT CITIES ARE JUST COUCHING THESE CORPORATIONS AND GIVE THE STATE MORE FIRE TO TAKE THE POWER AWAY FROM

MUNICIPALITIES. >> WHAT YOU SAY MAKES PERFECT SENSE ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T CARE. THEY REPRESENT THEIR CORPORATE LOBBYISTS AND THAT'S WHO THEY REPRESENT. THAT'S WHEN THEY GO TO FILE LEGISLATION IT WILL BE IN THE INTEREST OF CORPORATIONS NOT PEOPLE. SORRY. I MEAN I'M 4500 MINIMUM. WE COULD HAVE A

NEGOTIATION HERE. >> YEAH. I LIKE 4500. I WOULD NOT WANT TO GO TO 5000. IT'S A PSYCHOLOGICAL DIFFERENT BETWEEN

49 HUNDRED AND 5000. >> SO 4999 AND $0.99.

[LAUGHTER]. >>> WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY BENCHMARKS ON WHAT IT COST AT THIS TIME.

>> REALISTICALLY THROUGH 3 PERCENT NFLATION AND SUBLEASE AGREEMENT WERE SIGNED OF THE LATE 2000'S. 3 PERCENT PER YEAR WOULD BE ROUGHLY 3200 4000 ALREADY. THAT'S WITHOUT SOME OF THE RECORD INFLATION WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST COUPLE OF

YEARS. >> MONOPOLIZED AND THEY COME TOGETHER SO COME UP WITH LOSING REVENUE BECAUSE OF THAT. THEY

PTHINK THEY ARE BEING SNEAKY. >> THESE CONTRACTS LIKE OVER 5 YEARS THEY WOULD JUMP 15 TO 18 PERCENT DEPENDING ON THE

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APPARENTLY. >> IT'S BEEN VERY HARD. IN FACT WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT WERE DOING THE RESEARCH AND TRYING TO GATHER ALL THE DATA. IT HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK NO DOUBT. THE TEAM CAME TOGETHER AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WERE TRY TO CAPTURE HERE.

>> YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT. WE GOT IN THIS MASTER CONTRACT, 15 PERCENT RENT ADJUSTMENT EVERY 5 YEARS. IS SUFFICIENT?

>> I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. >> 15 PERCENT RENT ADJUSTMENT BUILT INTO THE CONTRACT EVERY 5 YEARS AS IT RENEWS. BRIAN IS ASKING IS NOT ENOUGH OF A ADJUSTMENT OR SHOULD IT BE

PHIGHER? >> THAT'S ESSENTIALLY 3 PERCENT

A YEAR. >> WHAT'S THE INFLATION RATE

RIGHT NOW? >> RIGHT NOW? OR NORMALLY?

>> CAN WE TIE THIS SOMETHING LIKE A CPI?

>> I HAD CONSIDERED THAT. >> THAT WE WERE NOT RAISING IT.

WHICH IS KEEPING LEVEL. >> THEY USED THAT DETERMINING THEIR RATES FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.

>> CAN THE LANGUAGE BE BUILT INTO THE AGREEMENT THAT ADJUST BASED ON THE LENGTH OF THE TERM AS IT RELATES TO THE CPI?

>> SOCIAL SECURITY IN III QUARTER CALCULATIONS AND TIED

DIRECTLY TO THE. >> SURE.

>> IT'S NOT GONNA GO DOWN. I'LL TELL YOU THAT.

>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. >> DOES NOT MAKE SENSE? SO TYING IT TO SOME TYPE OF INDEX. CPI OR SOMETHING. [INAUDIBLE].

>> WE WILL COME BACK THE CONTRACT.

>> AWESOME, $4500 A MONTH AND THE CPI INFLATION. ALL RIGHT.

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>> EVENING. >> SORRY, DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. YOUR GOOD.

>>DIFFICULTY WITH THE SLIDE.

>> BEFORE WE DIVE IN TO THE SLIDES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I LIKE TO OFFER BACKGROUND TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHY PRIOR BILLING IS A TOPIC THAT'S POPPING UP NOW. AS YOU JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT INFLATION IS MOVING OUT OF CONTROL. THE FIRE SERVICE IS PERCEIVED BY CITIZENS AS A TEXT BASED SERVICE. I PAY TAXES AND I SHOULD HAVE FIRE RESPONSE. WE COMPLETELY AGREE.

THE TAX BASE IS REALLY PREPARING FOR READINESS. IT WILL BUILD YOUR FIRE STATION. IT'LL BUY YOUR TRUCK. IT'LL BUY YOUR EQUIPMENT. THE UTILIZATION OF THAT EQUIPMENT IN RESPONSE TO THESE MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND FIRES COST MORE THAN THE TAX BASE. SOME SUBSIDY SHOULD COME AND FIRE BILLING AS A WAY TO DO THAT. IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE RESIDENTS OR CITIZENS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING THAT EMERGENCY.

THE TRAUMATIC EVENT. RATHER IT IS GOING AFTER FUNDS THAT THOSE CITIZENS PAY FOR IN THEIR INSURANCE PREMIUMS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF COVERING THEM IN TIMES OF EMERGENCY. THAT'S KIND OF THE BACKGROUND OF WHITE FIRE BILLING IS A THING. IT'S HELPING MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE SERVING THEIR CITIZENS NOT IMPACT THE TAX BASIS BUT, RETRIEVE FUNDS FOR THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE FROM INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE CHARGING YOUR CITIZENS MONTHLY TO COVER THEM THAT'S WERE RESTART. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? OKAY GREAT. YOUR ACCOUNT TEAM FOR FIRE, BRITTANY FLEMING WOULD BE THE ACCOUNT MANAGER. SHE LIVES CLOSER THAT I DO AND I LIVING GUN BARREL CITY. SHE WOULD BE READY FOR THE MS AND

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WE KNOW THAT LANGUAGE THEY NEED AND CAN HELP YOU WRITE YOUR ORDINANCE IN SUCH A WAY IT'S ENFORCEABLE TO GET THESE FEES PAID. THE WAY EMERGE FIREWORKS IS WE DO NOT MAKE MONEY FOR AGENCY DOESN'T. THERE'S NO UPFRONT SETUP FEES. THERE ARE NO COST PER MONTHLY UTILIZATION. WE TAKE A COMMISSION OFF OF ANY MONIES COLLECTED. YOU DON'T MAKE MONEY, WE DON'T. BECAUSE WE ARE CLOSELY CONNECTED BOTH PHYSICALLY BEING LESS THAN AN HOUR AWAY AND BECAUSE YOUR DESIGNATED TEAM. THIS CAN BE CHANGED AT ANY TIME. IF WE FIND THERE SENTIMENT AGAINST BILLING FOR MOTOR VEHICLE RESPONSES WHERE EXTRICATION IS PERFORMED AND YOU ARE IN THE DAIRY QUEEN AND YOU GET A CITIZEN WHOSE UPSET. WE COULD CHANGE THAT IMMEDIATELY. IT'S COMPLETELY RESPONSIVE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW THE EXPERIENCE SHOULD BE LIKE IF YOU DECIDE TO PURSUE OUR BILLING. THIS WOULD BE TRUE, THIS PROCESS OF SELECTING WHAT YOU CHARGE FOR AND HOW MUCH YOU CHARGE OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. ANY AGENCY YOU PARTNERED WITH SHOULD GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON THAT. THEY SHOULD HELP YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF HIGH POINTS OF CLIENTS. ONE WHO DIDN'T KNOW FIRE BILLING WAS A THING. WHEN THEY DID IT REALLY HELPED THEM WITH THEIR BUDGETING. THEY WERE ABLE TO PLAN FOR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES AND REFURBISHING US. A PARTNER IN CRIME THAT'S VERY MUCH LIKE THE CITY OF TRENT WHAT HAD BEEN WITH THE MERGER, FOR YEARS.

WHEN THEY BECAME A SISTER COMPANY THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE AND IT ADDED TO THE BOTTOM UNDER THE CITY. COOKING WITH EMERGE FIRE HELPING WITH FIRE INSPECTION. SO GARLAND CAME TO US BECAUSE THEY HAVE OVER 20 $40,000 IN AVAILABLE INSPECTIONS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THEY NEED HELP RECOVERING THAT COST BECAUSE THEY DECIDED. IT REMOVES THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK OFF OF THE CITY THAT THEY WERE BILLING FOR THE INSPECTIONS AND MOVES IT TO A PARTNER. ONE OF THE BIG CONSIDERATIONS WHEN FIRE BILLING COMES INTO THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE THESE ARE HEROES. DON'T THINK ABOUT HEROES COSTING US MONEY IS THAT YOUR RESIDENCE WILL NEVER HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. THEY WILL NEVER HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF GETTING A BILL FROM TURN ONE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO, WE TALK ABOUT THE MENU OF THINGS THAT YOU COULD BILL FOR WITHIN FIRE. MOTOR VEHICLE INCIDENTS WHERE THERE ARE RESPONSES AND THESE INCIDENTS WOULD BE PAID WHETHER IT'S AN ACCIDENT OR FIRE BY THE CAR INSURANCE. THAT WOULD BE WHO WE WOULD BILL FOR THOSE INCIDENTS. STRUCTURE FIRES, WHETHER THAT IS INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL ARE GOING TO BE PAID BY THE POLICIES THAT THOSE COMMERCIAL OWNERS OF THE BUILDING HAVE TO HAVE IN PLACE TO OPERATE THE BUILDING. IT'S GOING AFTER COMMERCIAL COVERAGE. EQUIPMENT FIRES AND HAZARDOUS MATERIAL INCIDENTS. THOSE ARE SPECIFIC HAZARD MATERIALS CLEANUP CAN OFTEN INVOLVE MUTUAL AID FROM OTHER TYPES OF FUNCTION. THAT CAN GET VERY EXPENSIVE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING NECESSARILY THE TAX BASIS WOULD BE TO PAYING FOR.

THESE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE BILLING THE FEES TO INSURANCE

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ON THAT? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. ON THE MOTOR VEHICLE. LET'S SAY THEY DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE PIT HOW

TO THEY GO AFTER THAT? >> WITH AGENCIES WE PARTNER WITH THAT NO CITIZEN GETS A BILL. THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND DOCUMENT THEY WOULD SEND IT TO US AND WE WOULD SAY, THERE'S NO INSURANCE IDENTIFIED HERE AND WE'VE DONE OUR OWN RESEARCH.

PULL THE CASH REPORT AND TUNNELED OUT. IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU THAT WE DON'T BUILD THIS ACCIDENT BECAUSE THERE'S

NO INSURANCE INVOLVED. >> OTHER THAN THE VEHICLES, ALL THESE OTHERS WOULD PERTAIN TO COMMERCIAL NOT RESIDENTIAL .

>> THAT'S RIGHT. IF SOMEONE WERE TO LOSE THEIR HOME THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR ANY FINANCIAL. THEY WILL DEAL WITH

ENOUGH. FOR SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES? >>> ARE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TURNING AROUND AND UPPING THE PREMIUM

FOR THE CUSTOMERS? >> LIKELY AND THE REASON WE DON'T SEE THAT AS A DETRIMENT TO GETTING REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE FIRE IS THERE ARE OTHER SYSTEMS WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT ARE GOING TO PURSUE THE FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT INSURANCE COMPANY. THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THE INSURANCE IS GOING TO PAY OUT FOR IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, OR EXPLOSION OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT. >> I THINK WERE TALKING MOTOR

VEHICLES. >> I'M SO SORRY. I

MISUNDERSTOOD. >> YOU HAVE AN AT FAULT ACCIDENT AND NO INSURANCE WON'T BUMP YOUR PREMIUM. IN THE END

UP PAYING. >> YES, AND FORGIVE ME FOR MISUNDERSTANDING OR QUESTION. WINDBREAKERS ARRIVE ON THE SCENE IT IS A COMMON PRACTICE FOR THEM TO BILL MOTOR VEHICLE INSURANCE REGARDLESS OF FAULT AND TO GET MONEY FOR THE TIME SPENT ON THE SCENE. SO, IT IS LIKELY IN A REPORTED MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT WHERE THERE'S ANY SORT OF RESPONSE TO IT.

THE RECORD OR SUPPORT THEM TO TELL THEM OFF WILL GET FUNDS OUT OF THIS INSURANCE. SO THE POLICY WILL LIKELY BE AFFECTED AT THAT'S PART OF THE TRIGGER. OUR POSITION IS SINCE THEY ARE GOING TO GET MONEY ANYWAY, SHOULDN'T OUR FIRE SERVICE WHO ARE THERE AND LIKELY USING THE TOOLS. WE WOULD ONLY BILL FOR THE FIRE BUT WE CAN GUARANTEE THE WRECKER'S FILING AS WELL.

IS THAT HELPFUL? >> GO AHEAD . I'M NOT SURE.

>> JUST TO ADD TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT IT. YOUR ONLY BILLING THE PERSON AT FAULT. NOT THE PERSON WHO HAPPENED TO BE AT THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME?

>> IF THERE WERE RESPONSES PROVIDED AND DOCUMENTED THEN YOUR INSURANCE COULD BE BILLED. BUT, AS YOU AS A CITY DECIDED WE ONLY WANT TO BILL PEOPLE WHO ARE AT FAULT AS A POLICY WE

COULD ABSOLUTELY FOLLOW THAT. >> UNDERSTOOD. FOR TODAY'S CONVERSATION ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST DOING THIS FOR MBAS ARE ALSO DOING A FOR EACH OF THESE?

>> COMPLETELY AT YOUR DISCRETION. THERE'S NO CHANGE TO WHAT IT TAKES TO WORK WITH US OR FEES OR ANYTHING . YOU

PICK UP THE MENU. >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>> UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. >> IT BASED ON THE WORKWE ARE CURRENTLY DOING FOR AGENCIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. YOU SEE A MIX OF HIGHLY REIMBURSED PERCENTAGES OF CLAIMS THAT PAID BASED ON WHAT WE BILL. FIRES, HAZMAT, THAT IS MORE READILY REIMBURSED BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL CHALLENGES PRESENTED BY HAZMAT LEAKS. PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, HEALTH ISSUES, IT TAKES SPECIALIZED TEAMS WHICH REQUIRE MORE TRAINING AND MORE EQUIPMENT TO RESPOND TO. WE SEE THOSE BEING PAID. WITH A CHEMICAL SPILL AND VEHICLES WHERE THERE ARE NO TAX. JUST KIND OF A VARIETY OF THINGS WE SEE. YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS THAT THE MENU OF WHAT WE ARE BILLING FOR IS VERY WIDE. WE

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I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE OUT, YOU MENTIONED THAT RICHARDSON AND GARLAND BOTH PARTNER WITH U FOR FIRE BILLING. ALSO FAULT SPRINGS, COMPAL ARE MORE REGIONAL CLIENT AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER NEARLY 300 AGENCIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ARE ENGAGING IN FIRE BILLING. 50 OF THEM WITH US. AND OTHER BUILDING PROVIDERS. AND THAT IS THE END OF WHAT I HAVE PREPARED AND I WOULD LOVE TO HELP WITH QUESTIONS.

>> OWNN, ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO BILL THOSE WITHOUT NSURANCE AND IF SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY DIDN'T PAY THE BILL?

>> IF WE WERE TO BILL FOR LET'S SAY A MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT WITHOUT INSURANCE. THAT BILL WOULD NEED TO BE DELIVERED TO THAT PERSON. WE WOULD PURSUANT TO THE EXTENT BY THE CITY. I WILL SAY MOST FIRE DEPARTMENTS SPECIFICALLY REALLY ENJOY A POSITIVE REPORT WITH THEIR CITIZENS. I PREFER TO NEVER PERSISTENT TO RECEIVE A BILL FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

>> I'M JUST CURIOUS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE WILL

DEAL. >> IT IS POSSIBLE. WE DON'T WORK WITH ANY AGENCY TO DO THAT.

>> WHAT ISYOUR PERCENTAGE OF COMMISSION PER COLLECTION?

>> IF YOU WANT AN EMS CLIENT IT WOULD BE 18 PERCENT. BECAUSE WE WOULD BE BRING ANYONE IT WOULD BE 15 PERCENT OF

ANYTHING. >> GOT YOU. > REGARDLESS OF TYPE OF PLAY AND HOW FAR YOU HAVE TO PURSUANT.

>> YEP, 50 50 PERCENT. >> WHAT IS THE SUAL OR TYPICAL

ATE THAT YOU BILL? >> WOULD YOU HAVE RECOMMENDED SEE SCHEDULES BASED ON THE FEMA GUIDANCE AND SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS AND THAT DISCOVERY:ONCE WE UNDERSTOOD THE ITEMS OFF THE MENU. WE PRESENT YOU WITH THIS IS WHAT FEMA SAYS. THIS IS WHAT THE AGENCIES AROUND YOU ARE CHARGING INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR THESE THINGS. THEN HE WOULD BE ABLE TO SELECT

YOUR TERM. YES SIR? >> HOW WIDESPREAD IS THIS PRACTICE? BEHIND THE CURVE, HEAD OF THE CURVE? HALF THE

CITIES IN TEXAS? >> NATIONALLY EVEN.

>> WHAT ATTRACTED ME IS BASICALLY WERE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE. SO WE CAN RECEIVE TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF OUR

SERVICES. [INAUDIBLE] >> I SAW IN THE PRACTICE AT HUNDRED $56,000 IN PROTECTED REVENUE. AS OUT FOR ALL OF THE

MANY OPTIONS OR IS JUST ⌟ >> MAINLY ON UVA'S OR BEST CASE

SCENARIO. >> HAVE WE LOOKED AT ANALYSIS TO SEE WHAT WE MAY RECEIVE ANNUALLY IF WE WERE TO BILL FOR EACH OF THOSE INSTANCES? [INAUDIBLE]

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>> MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT WE GO WITH ALL OF THEM. WE BILL FOR EACH OF THOSE. IF PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR THAT IN THEIR POLICY THEN BIAZ NOT BILLING JUST LETTING MONEY GO.

>>.[INAUDIBLE]] >> THAT ANSWERS FOR FIRE INSPECTIONS, FIRES. [INAUDIBLE] FIRST TIME WOULD BE A MISCOMMUNICATION WITH THE NEED IS. III TIME, OKAY, GIVE ME A BREAK. SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> AS FAR AS PD GOES, HOW MANY ALARMS ARE ALLOWED BEFORE WE ASSESS A FEE? DO YOU HAPPEN TO

KNOW THAT? >> NO. I DON'T.

>> THERE IS A GRADUATED SCALE. I KNOW IT'S HAPPENED TO ME.

[LAUGHTER]. [INAUDIBLE]. THERE IS A GRADUATED SCALE.

>> THAT COULD BE THE SAME TYPE OF PROGRAM. FOR ALARMS.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> MOSTLY IT'S 3. 3 TIMES WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. THEN YOU GET BILLED FOR

3RD. >> HAS BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLOCATION OF THESE FUNDS THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE? I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS IF WERE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT HAS BEEN DISCOVERED.

>> IT MAY NOT BE IN THE SCOPE BUT, IT'S SOMETHING I CERTAINLY WOULD WANT TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE THIS GET IMPLEMENTED FULLY.

ABOUT ALLOCATION OF THE REVENUES.

>> WITH THIS GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND?

>> WELL, THAT'S OUR DECISION. >> MAYOR, I THINK THAT'S A BUDGET CONVERSATION TO HAVE. IT'S A FAIR ONE TO HAVE.

TONIGHT, OR REALLY AFTER ALMOST GROUND FLOOR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS TO HOW MUCH YOU WANT US TO LOOK INTO THIS. THEN WE WILL DO THE LEGWORK AND COME BACK WITH A FULL PROPOSAL.

>> SOUNDS GOOD. >> BEFORE WE LEAVE THE TOPIC ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS OF WHERE THE FUNDS COULD GO?

>> I DON'T THINK SO. >> ALL RIGHT, I'M SORRY. IT'S MY FAULT, OR GOING OFF-TOPIC. WE WILL HAVE OUR CONVERSATION.

FOR ME, I THINK ALL OF IT. AND THEN DON'T BILL THE NONINSURED BECAUSE THEY WILL BUILD THE CITIZEN DIRECTLY. THERE IS ONE

OTHER THING. >> YOU CAN GO AHEAD AS I THINK

ABOUT THAT. >> WERE NOT BILLING INDIVIDUALS. ONLY INDIVIDUALS, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> ARE WE BILLING NOT A FALL

PEOPLE? >> THAT WAS THE OTHER THING. .

I EXPECT THEM, THERE INSURANCE TO PAY FOR MY BILL FOR MY REPAIR. I DON'T WANT TO GET A BILL FOR MY RESPONSE.

>> WHO WAS AT FAULT? >> THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY TO GO AFTER THEM IF THEY ARE

UNINSURED. >> EVEN IF YOU CALL YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY AND THEY FILE A CLAIM FOR YOU THAN YOUR

PREMIUM GOES UP AUTOMATICALLY. >> THAT'S CAN HAPPEN REGARDLESS. YOU'RE ALREADY LIABLE IF YOU'RE IN AN

ACCIDENT. >> A NOTE, THERE ARE CASES WHERE WHEN YOU FILE YOU BELIEVE IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.

>> WHAT HAPPENS IS IF SOMEONE HIT YOU, YOU CALL THAT PERSON'S

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>> ONE THAT ULTIMATELY BE ASSESSED ON THEIR INSURANCE

ANYWAYS? >> YES THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD COME TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS OUT OF THE INSURANCE COVERAGE PROVIDED ON YOUR INSURANCE POLICY. WE CANNOT CONTROL THE INCREASE OF INSURANCE FOR THE PRINCIPAL.

>> IS CAUSED BY CALLING THE INSURANCE COMPANY. THAT GOES BACK TO THE PROBLEM. A PERSON WHO'S NOT AT FAULT GETS A BILL FROM, OR YOU WOULD BE CALLING THERE INSURANCE COMPANY. I GET A CALL FROM INSURANCE CABEZA HEY, WE ARE NOW CAN FILE THIS CLAIM AND GO AGAINST THIS OTHER PERSON. BUT YOUR PREMIUM IS STILL GOING TO GO UP. THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME NEVER REPARABLE INSURANCE COMPANY AND THEY SAID, IF YOU DON'T GO AND PURSUE THAT OTHER INSURANCE COMPANY FIRST AND WE FILE A CLAIM WE ARE GOING TO RAISE YOUR PREMIUM. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT AT FAULT. SO, FOR THAT I SAY WE BUILT ONLY THOSE

AT FAULT. >> PART OF OUR PROCESS IS PAYING TO PULL THE CRASH REPORT ASSOCIATED WITH TO IDENTIFY THAT. THE DOCUMENT TATIAN WILL DICTATE THAT. THAT'S PART OF THE COST OF PROCESSING THE CLAIM. IT'S LIKE A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE AND IS LIKE FIRE AND PD . WE GO THROUGH

OPEN RECORDS. >> WHAT PERCENTAGE OF ACCIDENTS DO WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFY AT FAULT IN OUR REPORTS?

>> I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. I COULD RESEARCH IT. LOOKS THERE IS A SECTION IN THE REPORT THAT THEY FILL OUT. IT SAYS WHO THEY BELIEVED TO BE PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE.

>> HOPEFULLY THE INSURANCE COMPANY DECIDES.

>> IT SAYS THIS PARTY IS A FOLLOWER COULD BE AT FAULT THAT WOULD BE THE ONE YOU WOULD PURSUE.

>> FOR SURE. >> AB THERE IS CONFLICTING

STORIES THEN WHAT? >> WE DO NOT ENGAGE WITH THE CITIZENS DIRECTLY. IT ALL IS PAYER RESEARCH. EVERYTHING COMES FROM THE CRASH REPORT AND IDENTIFYING INFORMATION IS COLLECTED BY THE RESPONDING OFFICER OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE PROVIDE GUIDELINES TO AGENCIES WE WORK WITH. THESE ARE VERY HELPFUL FOR US SO WE COULD DO THE RESEARCH AND NEVER INTERACT WITH THE CITIZEN. TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE NICE AND

CLEAN. >> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE?

>> I JUST WENT OFF ON RIGHT ALONG. ON THE INSTANCE WHEN THERE ARE 2 VEHICLES INVOLVED AND THERE'S NO WITNESSES. THE OFFICERS DON'T MAKE A SUGGESTION ABOUT WHO IS AT

FAULT OR NOT? >> THE INSURANCE WILL STILL HAVE A QUESTIONS. THEY WILL COME TO THEIR CONCLUSION ON WHO

SHOULD BE AT FAULT. >> HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITHOUT CALLING BOTH INSURANCE COMPANIES?

>> IT COULD BE A LEVEL OF INTERVENTION. IF THE EXTRICATION WAS REQUIRED WE COULD DECIDE YOU PURSUE THOSE ALWAYS. IF THERE'S NO CLEAR DELINEATION OF FAULT AND A STANDARD MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT WHERE EVERYONE GOT UP AND WALKED AWAY AND THERE'S NO EMS AND ALL OF THAT.

>> EXTRICATION IS KIND OF RARE IN MOST MBAS. MAYBE THAT'S NOT

THE STANDARD. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE TRUE DEFINITION OF EXTRICATION. AS REMOVING SOMEONE FROM A

VEHICLE. >> THOSE INTERACTIONS CAN BE THE GUIDE. WE CAN EXPLORE IT IF WE GET INTO IT AND WE ARE A MONTH AND WE HAD 3 MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND IT WAS NOT ABOUT FAULT PARTY AND THAT'S IT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL BELIEVES IN. WE TAKE THOSE FOR A WHILE AND SEE WHAT THE COLLECTION IS LIKE FROM THE OTHER RESPONSES AND THEN COME BACK. IT'S REALLY ABOUT YOUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING PREMIUMS FOR THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY EVER USE THAT ARE DESIGNED TO

COVER YOUR RESPONSE. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING ANYTIME FIRES DISPATCHED THAT'S THE LINE FOR YOU.

>> BACK AT WORK TOO. >> DOESN'T THE STATE REGULATE THE TYPES OF INCIDENTS THAT CAN'T BE COUNTED TOWARDS

PREMIUM INCREASE INCIDENT? >> I'M ON THE SIDE INSURANCE

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>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> IF THERE IS A NOT AT FAULT CLAIM. I BELIEVE IT MAY NOT COUNT AND YOU MAY GET ONE FREE PASS. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >>.[INAUDIBLE]

>>.[INAUDIBLE] >> HOW SPECIFIC DOES THE MENU OF OPTIONS GET WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING DECISIONS?

>> SO KIND OF AT THIS LEVEL. IF THERE'S NO FAULT IDENTIFIED AND YOU DON'T PURSUE ANYBODY. IF THERE'S 3RD INSPECTION. WE WOULD HAVE TO KNOW WHEN THE FIRST AND THE SECOND ONE HAPPENED THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION.

>> IF THERE'S CONSENSUS AMONG COUNCIL IS A PLAN TO START DEVELOP WITH THAT MENU MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND BRING IT BACK TO

ANOTHER WORK SESSION. >> CAN I SUGGEST. THE WAY GEORGE COUNTED IT. THEY HAVE A REALLY SIMPLE ORDINANCE THAT CHARGES FEES. DELEGATE TO THE FIRE CHIEF REPRESENTING POLICIES TO BECOME SMART. COUNCIL WOULD PASS IMPROVE THEM. THE POLICIES WILL CONTAIN SERVICES AND CHARGES.

LOOKING AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FEE SCHEDULE AND IT'S 5 PAGES LONG. AND MY GUESS IS THAT POLICIES ARE LAID OUT WILL REFERENCE THE FEE SCHEDULE. WE WILL CHERRY PICK BETWEEN THE SERVICES. BY APPROVING THE POLICY THE FIRE CHIEF WHAT ADOPT. IN THE ORDINANCE THAT AUTHORIZES IT.

>> OKAY. I THANK YOU'VE GOT AN IDEA OF THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. JUST COME BACK TO WORK SESSION WITH WHAT YOU GOT.

>> OKAY. >> COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE

ANYTHING ELSE? >> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

[3D. Present and discuss an update to the drainage utility fee based on impervious area for residential and nonresidential metered accounts. (45 minutes)]

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 3D. PRESENT AND DISCUSS AN UPDATE TO THE DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE BASED ON IMPERVIOUS AREA FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL METERED ACCOUNTS. ANY SPEAKERS? SEEING NONE. I WRITE IT DOWN AND I STILL CAN'T REMEMBER.

>> JEFF, THE SUBJECT IS BECOMING VERY TRAINING.

[LAUGHTER]. >> YES, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND

COUNCIL. >> DID I HEAR THERE WAS A

POSITION CHANGE FOR YOU? >> YES, YOU DID.

>> REALLY? WHAT IS IT. >> I'M DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.

>> SUITE. CONGRATULATIONS. >> I HOPE THAT CAME WITH THE

PAY INCREASE. >> SO, THIS IS ABOUT THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME BRIEF BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE'VE PDISCUSSED TO DATE. THEN WE WILL GET INTO WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. WE DID ESTABLISH A TRAIN UTILITY BACK IN 2002.

CONFORMS WITH THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. IT'S PROPAGATED IN THE CODE ORDINANCES. IT INCLUDES SOME FLAT RATE FEE SCHEDULES WHICH ARE BASED ON WATER METERS, $5.50 A MONTH FOR RESIDENTIAL. 1350 A MONTH FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USERS. THERE ARE NO EXEMPTIONS SPECIFIED IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. WE ARE ESTIMATING IT GENERATES APPROXIMATELY ONE HALF BILLION DOLLARS IN ANNUAL REVENUE. THAT REVENUE SUPPORTS PROGRAMS SUCH AS OUR STAFF, THE SUPPLIES, OPERATIONS

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RECRUIT MORE COST OF THE CITY TO SPEND THAT THE CITY SPENDS TO PROVIDE DRAINAGE SERVICE. IT WILL INCREASE REVENUE STREAM THAT FUNDS NEEDED TO COVER THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE'VE HAD SOME PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS. JUST TO GIVE YOU BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE IMPERVIOUS AREA BASIS IS WHERE EACH PROPERTIES DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE THAT REPRESENTS THE LOAD ON THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. IT'S BASED ON AN ANALYSIS OF GIS DATA. IT COMES UP WITH AN ER YOU. WE COVERED EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT WHICH IS EQUAL TO 4000 SQUARE FEET. WHICH IS A TYPICAL PROPERTY COVERAGE. PROPOSED RANGE UTILITY RATE IS $5.50 PER EAR YOU PER MONTH FOR EACH PROPERTY. AND FOR EACH PROPERTY THE RATE IS MULTIPLIED BY THE NUMBER OF PL USE.

RESIDENTIAL UNIT WOULD BE ONE. IN A PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN DECEMBER, THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING. DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING WE WERE TO CONSIDER THE UPDATE TO THE ORDINANCE AND COUNCIL ASKED QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PURPOSE AND BREATH OF THE ORDINANCE. SO WE CAME BACK IN FEBRUARY TO PRESENT SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO THESE INCLUDED MICHIGAN DATE WHICH IS LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. THE COST OF THE SERVICE ITSELF AND EXEMPTIONS TO THE DRAINAGE FEE AND THE FEE AMOUNT. IN THAT FEBRUARY WORK SESSION WE DISCUSSED LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND, AS YOU MAY RECALL WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO RECOAT ROWLETT WE THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO ADDRESS PLAD IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE CITY CODE FOR STORMWATER. THE COST OF SERVICE WE REVIEWED, THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTION THE FUTURE COST MAY INCREASE AND THAT IT MIGHT BE WISE TO REVIEW THESE DRAINAGE FEES ON A 5-YEAR CYCLE. OF COURSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE FEE AMOUNT AND I REVIEWED THE VIDEO. THERE SEEM TO BE SOME GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT THIS FEE AMOUNT IS AN APPROPRIATE METHOD TO ASSESS USER FEES FOR SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. SO, WHAT WAS LEFT UNRESOLVED AND WHAT DREW THE MOST ATTENTION IS THE TOPIC OF THE EXEMPTIONS. THAT IS PRIMARILY WHO SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THIS FEE AND IT CENTERED ON RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS. OF COURSE COUNCIL, YOU ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT PROPOSED SOME EXEMPTION FOR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS. THE CITY'S CURRENT DRAINAGE UTILITY DOES NOT EXEMPT ANY PROPERTIES FROM A DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE BUT, THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE DOES SET FORTH SOME RULES REGARDING EXEMPTIONS. SOME PROPERTIES ARE REQUIRED TO BE EXEMPT. SOME PROPERTIES ARE ALLOWED TO BE EXEMPT. THERE IS ALSO A CODE IN CHAPTER 580 THAT ALSO PROHIBITS MUNICIPALITIES FROM ASSESSING DRAINAGE FEES ON SOME DISTINCT TYPES PROPERTIES. OTHERWISE, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTED IN THOSE LISTS THEN APPROPRIATE MUST BE SUBJECT TO THE FEE. SO, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, 552, WE FIND

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THESE ARE PROPERTIES WITH PROPER CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE OF A HOLY SUFFICIENT PRIVATELY OWNED FURNITURE SYSTEM. MEANING IT DOESN'T RELOAD OUR SYSTEM.

PROBABLY THAT IS HELD IN ITS NATURAL STATE. WHICH IS NOT LOADING OUR SYSTEM AND IN EXCESS MANNER BUT, WHEN SUCH TIME THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED THEN IT CAN BECOME SUBJECT TO THE FEE. A SUBDIVIDED LAW IS ALSO REQUIRED TO BE EXEMPT UNTIL THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN BUILT ON IN A CERTIFICATE FOR KENT OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN THE CODE. THERE IS ALSO SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO EXEMPT PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT. THESE ARE STATE PROPERTIES. THAT'S IN CHAPTER 552 BUT, UNDER 580 IT IS REQUIRED. COUNTY PROPERTIES, MUNICIPAL PROPERTIES, SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTIES, PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE TAX EXEMPT, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION AND PROPERTY FOR CEMETERY PURPOSES. CLOSE CEMETERY PURPOSES. 580 DOES PROHIBIT CHARGING DRAINAGE FEES ON STATE PROPERTY PROPERTIES OWNED BY PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS FOR LEARNING. WHEN I WATCHED THE VIDEO OF THE WORK SESSION LAST TIME. THERE WAS SOME MENTION OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS BUT, IT SEEMED TO ME THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF CONSENSUS OR INTEREST IN EXEMPTING THESE TYPES OF PROPERTIES. BUT, I WILL CAVEAT THAT COUNCIL IS FREE TO IMPLEMENT AN EXEMPTION ON ANY PROPERTY THAT IS LISTED IN THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

ALSO, THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN REDUCING THE DRAINAGE FEE ON NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. I WANTED TO REITERATE AGAIN THAT IF IT DOES NOT LIST THE TYPE OF ORGANIZATION OR PROPERTY THEN IT MUST BE SUBJECT TO THE FEE AND CURRENTLY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS ARE THE ONLY TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS LISTED.

SO, I DID DRAFT AN AMENDMENT. THE DRAFT AMENDMENT INCLUDES THE EXEMPTIONS REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AND WE INCLUDED A PROPOSAL TO REDUCE THE FEE ON RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS BASICALLY BY 50 PERCENT BY SIGNING HALF DEAR YOU TO THEIR MEASURED DEAR USE FOR THE PROPERTIES. OF COURSE COUNCIL, YOU CAN EXEMPT ANYTHING THAT'S LISTED IN 552.

I WANTED TO SHOW YOU BRIEFLY THE IMPLICATIONS FINANCIALLY.

YOU CAN SEE, OH, THERE YOU GO. WE TOOK HALF THE ER USE. WE CAN EXPECT ABOUT $18,000 FROM THE 32 CHURCHES THAT ARE IN OUR CITY. WE'RE LOOKING UP 1.87 MILLION AS A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THIS FEE. I DO WANT TO ADD. MAYBE YOU NOTICE WHEN YOU READ THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. MAYBE YOU DIDN'T. I DON'T KNOW. I DID IN WRITING THAT ORDINANCE, DRAFT ORDINANCE I OMITTED THE COMMITMENT TO A 5-YEAR REVIEW. THIS WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL TO INCLUDE A COMMITMENT FOR A 5-YEAR REVIEW AS WELL. WE ARE SEEKING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COUNCIL ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS ORDINANCE SO WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND IMPLEMENTED AND THEY BEGIN TO WORK WITH UTILITY COMPANIES SO WE CAN BEGIN THE WORK OF IMPLEMENT EITHER FEE.

>> GREAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YET. COUNCIL, DO YOU

HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> THE TABLE?

>> I THINK I ASKED THIS BEFORE. I CAN'T REMEMBER.

>> THE 18,000 447, IS THAT AN AGGREGATE?

>> YES IT IS. THERE ARE 32 CHURCHES. BY USING WE MEASURED 559 ER USE. IF I TAKE HALF OF THAT AND MULTIPLY BY THE 550 THAT'S 18 447. SO EACH CHURCH WOULD HAVE ITS UNIQUE FEE BASED

ON ¦ >> BASED ON THE ER USE AND THE

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SIZE. >> RIGHT. AN HONORABLE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT 00 A YEAR. OR 66. THEIR PAIN 1350

A MONTH RIGHT NOW. >> ARE NOT OPPOSED TO PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. THAT IS A HUGE JUMP FROM WHAT THEY

CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGETED. >> I THINK A 50 PERCENT REDUCTION IN ER USE I THINK IS PRETTY AIR AMOUNT OPPOSED TO THAT. BUT THEY HAVE NOW IF WE COULD HAVE SOME DISINCENTIVE FOR NEW CHURCHES FROM BUILDING HUGE PARKING LOTS AND STILL PAYING THE OLD FEES. SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO DEFINE THAT MIDDLE GROUND WHILE NOT PENALIZING THOSE. YOU GOT A BIG PARKING

LOT AND AN OLD LAKE POINT. >> WHAT WOULD THEY END UP

PAYING WITH THIS PROPOSAL? >> YOU'VE GOT TO RELAX A CHURCH IS NOT GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING AND HAVE THIS, YOU WANT TO HAVE A PLACE FOR MEMBERS TO PARK.

>> WERE WE WOULD INTENSIFY THEM TO GO WITH NON-PER-PUPIL

SERVICES PAIR. >> THERE ARE WAYS OF DOING NON-PERVIOUS PARKING. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VARIOUS. THE CODE REQUIRES. WE ARE WORKING ON TURN ONE CODE. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN THE CODE THAT DICTATES CONCRETE PARKING IS NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT IS IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CODE.

BUT, THE LAD PORTION OF TURN ONE RECODE WOULD INCENTIVIZE LOW IMPACT OF ELEMENT. I THINK THAT VARIANCE PROCEDURE WOULD BE THERE AND WOULD BE USED TO ENCOURAGE AND ALLOW

NON-IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. >> ENCOURAGE IN A FINANCIAL

WAY? >> I DON'T KNOW THE FINAL CONFIGURATION OF THE CODE. RECODE TURN ONE YET. WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR. I DO KNOW THIS CODE ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT WOULD HAVE A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE BECAUSE A ENTITY, OF A PROPERTY OWNER COULD COME TO, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PROCESS OR WHO THEY COME TO FIRST. THERE IS A PROCESS AND THEY CAN APPEAL A REQUEST REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF FEE BASED ON THEIR TYPES.

>> THE LID PROCESS, RIGHT? >> BASICALLY, YES.

>> TO YOUR POINT. I'M SENSING AND IMPACT. I DON'T KNOW WHICH CHURCHES ARE THE GATEWAY OR SMALL WAY. WE HAD A FEE WHICH INCREASES WITHIN THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. HIS HALF THE RIGHT NUMBER?

>> DID YOU END UP FINDING THE IMPACT? HOW MANY AREAS OF THE

CHURCH AND CITY HAVE? >> I DID NOT LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC CHURCHES. I CAN DO THAT, IF YOU LIKE.

>> ARE JUST CURIOUS. THEY ARE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST. AT THE MOST IMPACTED IN TERMS OF THEIR SURFACE. I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED

AT THAT BEFORE. >> I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT AN ADDITIONAL FEE THE CHURCH HAS TO PAY IS AN ADDITIONAL FEE OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TO PAY. THE CHURCHES ARE SUPPORTED BY OUR RESIDENTS. YOU'RE PASSING THE BUCK ON TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I DON'T KNOW THAT COMPLETELY EXEMPT IS FAIR IF THEY WERE PAYING SOMETHING BEFORE. OR THAT THEY SHOULD PAY SOMETHING OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

LET'S SAY FOR COULD HAVE THEM EXEMPTED DOWN TO SOMEWHERE

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PARKING LOT WILL SPEAK UP. >> IT WILL GO UP FOR OTHERS TO YELLOW. MIKE FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THERE ARE SOME OTHERS THAT WILL. I WILL SAY ON THE CHURCH. I KNOW THIS IS ONLY AN AVERAGE IN YOUR RIGHT MIRROR, WHEN YOU HAVE ONE PARTICULARLY LARGE CHURCH. IF YOU TAKE THE $18,000 DIVIDED BY 32. DOTS ON AVERAGE $576 PER CHARGE. IF THERE PAYING 1350 NOW. YOU CAN SEE IT WILL BE SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE.

PER YEAR THOUGH. NOT PER MONTH. PER YEAR.

>> TO STAY EVEN WITH WHERE WE ARE WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM THE FEET DOWN TO $5184. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO ABOUT 3RD OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY LISTED. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 1/6 TIMES BY 59.

>> WITH EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WILL INEVITABLY SEE AN INCREASE, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY LET'S NOT PASS ANY INCREASE ON TO ONE PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION. SHOULD IT BE LOSS OF AN INCREASE IN THE OTHER ENTITIES? CERTAINLY. TO HAVE NO INCREASE AT ALL I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S THE ANSWER.

>> THE LEVEL OF THE INCREASE IS SOMETHING THAT IS TO BE IN QUESTION BUT, SAY NO INCREASE AT ALL, WE WILL KEEP IT THE SAME. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S FAIR.

>> AND HONORABLE. >> AS THE JUDGE STATED THIS WOULD BE REVIEWED AGAIN IN 5 YEARS AND A DECISION CAN BE MADE IF IT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED AT THAT TIME.

>> WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST CONSENSUS ON THE PERCENTAGE NUMBER. WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS NUMBER IS.

>> I THINK ABOUT POINT THAT'S WHAT WERE LOOKING FOR.

>>.[INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]. >> WE WILL FINISH THIS TONIGHT.

WE HAVE 30 MINUTES TO DISCUSS THIS.

>> MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE THE FEE STRUCTURE AS IT STANDS EXCEPT CHURCHES WOULD BE EXEMPTED AT THE 25 PERCENT OF THEIR ERU'S.

ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH THAT? > I AM GOOD WITH THAT.

>> THAT WAS QUICK. >> THE MAYOR SAID IT NEEDED TO BE DONE. WE ARE GOING TO GET IT DONE. WELL, THEN ANYTHING ELSE? DID YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED? > IDEAL. THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE 28 MINUTES LEFT. >> WE DO. LET'S PARTY.

>> CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN. >> HERE'S THE CHALLENGE Y'ALL.

HERE'S THE CHALLENGE. THE 2 EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ARE GOING TO BE LONGER I THINK THE TIME LISTED. AND SO, WE USUALLY HAVE ABOUT 10 TO 15 MINUTES IN BETWEEN WORK SESSION AND REGULAR MEETING TO TAKE A BREAK AND TO THAT. I THINK BUT WILL HAVE TO DO IS HAVE A LONGER BREAK. THAN NORMAL. DON'T THINK WE CAN DISCUSS AND GET TO A SOLUTION ON THE 2 EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS IN THE CURRENT TIME WE HAVE. 30 MINUTES AIN'T GOING TO DO IT. THE YOKO LLC IS NOT A 30 MINUTE DISCUSSION.

I THINK WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL JUST PARTY UNTIL 7 AND THEN WE WILL BE IN REGULAR SESSION. DOES ANYONE WANT TO PULL ANYTHING FOR CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY ITEMS? ALL RIGHT.

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