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. >>> FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECEIVING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE.
THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO RECALL THE CITY COUNCIL ANY TIME PRIOR TO ADJOURNMENT. THE PROCESS FOR PUBLIC INPUT YOU MAY COMPLETE THE CITIZEN INPUT FORM BY 3:30 P.M. THE DAY OF THE MEETING. ALL FORMS FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO START OF THE MEETING.
[1. Discuss 2023 Bond Election proposed project and funding timeline and estimated annual tax rate impact. (45 minutes)]
REGISTRATION FORMS ARE AVAILABLE INSIDE THE DOOR OF CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS DISCUSS THE 2023 BOND ELECTION PROJECT AND FUNDING TIMELINE AND ESTIMATED ANNUAL TAX RATE IMPACT.>> WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE 2023 BOND ELECTION PROJECT TIMELINE AS WELL AS THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH PHASE AND IN PARTICULAR PHASE ONE.
SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, CITIZENS OF ROWLETT PASSED AUDIO] OF THE 2023 BOND ELECTION.
PROPOSITION B, ANIMAL SHELTER, AND PROPOSITION C FOR HERFORD PARK PHASES TWO AND THREE. EACH AN AGGREGATE OF THE TOTAL $76.3 MILLION, THE LARGEST IN ROWLETT HISTORY.
IT COVERS A NEW FACILITY FOR FIRE, POLICE, AND AUDIO] REQUIRES OVER 64 MILLION OF FUNDING AND PROVIDES ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE AS WELL AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THE FUNDING TIMELINE FOR THIS IN PHASE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING THE DESIGN AS WELL AS KICKING OFF THE RP PROCESS AND THAT IS GIG THE BE $6.4 MILLION AND WE'RE TARGETING BOND ISSUANCE AND WE'LL COVER THAT LATER IN AUGUST OF 2023. THE ANIMAL SHELTER IS A NEW FACILITY OF OVER 9,000 SQUARE FEET.
MORE THAN DOUBLED. TOTALS 8.4 MILLION AND PROVIDES ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT WE NEED FOR BOTH ANIMAL SERVICES AS WELL AS VARIOUS KENNEL SPACE. LIKE PROPOSITION A, WE'RE GOING THE KICK IT OFF THIS YEAR WITH RFP AND GO INTO DESIGN AND FUNDING FOR THAT THAT'S IN AUGUST.
THE NEXT THREE YEARS. PROJECTING AUGUST OF THIS YEAR TO GET DESIGN KICK OFF AND THEN FOR HARD COSTS AND OTHER SOFT COSTS, MAY OF 2024 AND 2025. INITIAL BOND AMOUNT FOR THIS YEAR IS PROJECTED TO BE 7.64 MILLION.
FOLLOWED BY 46 MILLION AND 23 MILLION IN 24 AND 25.
AND THIS WAS SELECTED SO THAT IF WE WERE TO DO, FOR INSTANCE, AN EQUAL ISSUANCE WE'RE NOT SITTING ON TOO MANY UNSPENT PROCEEDS AND VARIOUS PHASES OF THE PROJECT BEING FUNDED.
POWERPOINT HERE BECAUSE I CAN'T READ THAT TEXT.
BASED ON AN AVERAGE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL FAMILY HOME VALUE OF $290,714 THE FIRST SERIES OF BONDS IS EXPECTED TO COST $28 PER YEAR FOR A HOMEOWNER OF THAT VALUE.
THE SECOND WOULD BE $170 A YEAR AND THE THIRD IS -- THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE SERIES 2023 COUPON WHICH WOULD BE ISSUEDED IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
UNDER OUR TIMELINE WE WOULD GO TO MARKET IN JULY AND HAVE FUNDS SETTLED IN AUGUST. WE'RE USING A 20-YEAR
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AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE MEANING THE PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST THIS YEAR IS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME GOING OUT 20 YEARS.ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WE SEE THE SOURCE OF THE PROJECT FUNDS WOULD BE SOLD UNDER A PREMIUM BOND STRUCTURE.
PRODUCTION WOULD EQUAL ANY COST AT ISSUANCE PLUS OUR FUNDING NEEDS. THIS WOULD HAVE AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR WHICH AS DISCUSSED BEFORE THAT'S ABOUT $28 PER YEAR TO TENCH SINGLE FAMILY HOME VALUE -- TO THE AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME VALUE EQUATING TO ABOUT 10 PER YEAR AS A TAX RATE.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE 2023 BOND ISSUANCE? THIS IS JUST OUR OUTSTANDING AGGREGATE SERVICE WITH THE 2023 BOND ELECTION LAYERED OVER IT WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY POTENTIAL 2024 ELECTIONS. THIS IS THE FINANCING TIMELINE.
THIS YEAR IS 2023 COUPONS. SO ZE THE -- IN HAND THE WEEK OF JUNE 19TH. THEY'LL REVIEW IT AND MIGHT HAVE CALLS FOR THE CITY AND/OR FINANCIAL ADVISORS TO DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE. THE WEEK OF JULY 10TH WE WOULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE RATINGS AND MAIL THE POS.
AT THAT POINT ON JULY 18TH, THERE WOULD BE A COMPETITIVE BID, BOND PRICED AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD ISSUE -- AND ON DECEMBER 17TH, RECEIVE BONDS.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS?
>> COUNCILMAN, SO THIS SCHEDULE ASSUMES A PROCESS FOR DESIGN AND INTRUCTION BID WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF WE DID A DESIGN
PROCESS? >> WHAT WE PROJECTED TO FUND WAS SIMPLY THE DESIGN OF IT. THE RFP COULD INCLUDE ANYONE TYPICALLY DESIGNED IS ABOUT 10%. A LITTLE BIT FOR HERFORD.
WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE MONEY FOR PHASE ONE TO GO INTO -- WE'VE
ALREADY HAD THE SITE PLAN. >> MY QUESTION IS ABOUT ASSUMPTIONS REGARDING THE APPROACH WE'RE GOING TO TAKE.
ARE WE GOING TO HIRE A DESIGN COMPANY AND HAVE THE BID OR ARE
WE GOING TO DO A DESIGN HERE? >> SO I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND OUR APPROACH ON THAT.
>> AND MY QUESTION BECOMES DOES THAT CHANGE THEN, THE SEQUENCING, WITH WHICH WE NEED TO FUND.
I DON'T KNOW. >> WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. MY ANSWER IF I COULD INTERJECT WOULD BE NO IT DOES NOT. NO MATTER WHICH METHODOLOGY YOU CHOOSE, SPECIFICALLY IF YOU CHOOSE DESIGN BUILD STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF PROGRAMMING COMPLETED BEFORE YOU HIRE THE DESIGN BUILD FIRM.
EXCUSE ME. SO THIS IS NECESSARY REGARDLESS
OF WHICH METHODOLOGY YOU CHOOSE. >> WE'VE ALREADY USED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE.
I THINK IT'S TOO SOON TO SAY WHAT OUR APPROACH IS GOING TO BE WHETHER IT'S DESIGN BUILD OR CMFR OR --
PROJACKED AND FUNDING TIMELINE? >> SO ABOUT 78
AUDIO]. >> PROJECT AND FUNDING TIMELINE?
>> WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT'S NOT REALLY AVERAGE.
EVERYTHING YOU LOOK UP ASKING FOR AVERAGE HOME VALUE IN ROWLETT IS
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>> THE MARKET VALUE IS HIGHER BUT THAT'S THE AVERAGE TAXABLE.
>> YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE ACTUAL SALE VALUE OF HOMES.
A LOT OF HOMES ARE VALUED MUCH LOWER BUT THEY'RE
>> DO DETAILED DESIGN FOR PHASE, TWO, THREE.
THIS TIME PROCESS GOING AND NOT HAVE A GAP WHERE WE'RE SHUTTING DOWN AND STARTING OVER. OKAY. LRLT.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE -- ALL RIGHT.
[2. Discuss the purchase and buildout of property located at 6602 Dalrock Road for use by the City of Rowlett as the Utility Billing Offices and a Rockwall County voting location. (30 minutes)]
THANK YOU.>> OUR NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSS THE PURCHASE AND BUILDOUT OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6602 DALROCK ROAD FOR USE BY THE CITY OF ROWLETT AS THE UTILITY BILLING OFFICES AND ROCKWELL COUNTY
VOTING LOCATION. >> THE BANK HAS BEEN PURCHASED.
WE CLOSED MAY 25TH. A LITTLE HISTORY HERE, WE HAD THIS STATION IN FEBRUARY AND HAD SPACE ISSUES.
WE CAME TO COUNCIL WITH IDEAS. AT THAT POINT WE HAD -- BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND APRIL WE NEGOTIATED BIDS, PURCHASE CONTRACTS AND ON MAY 25TH, WE OFFICIALLY CLOSED. THE MAYOR SIGNED THE FINAL DOCUMENTS TO PURCHASE. WE NO LONGER CALL IT THE CHASE BANK AROUND HERE. IT'S 6602 DALROCK.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A VOTING LOCATION FOR OUR CITY RESIDENTS LIVING IN ROCKWELL COUNTY. I WILL TELL OUR COMMUNICATIONS THE MINUTE I GET CONSENSUS FROM YOU THE POST READY TO GO TO SHARE THAT. CURRENTLY OUR RESIDENTS MUST DRIVE TO THE COUNTY LIBRARY TO VOTE SO AS OF NOVEMBER THIS WILL BE A LOCATION FOR VOTING FOR THOSE FOLKS.
IN ADDITION, LAURA IS CROSSING HER FINGERS.
I THINK SHE HAS A LITTLE MORE WORK WITH THE VOTING OFFICE BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE A PROBLEM.
IN ADDITION OUR UTILITY BUILDING OFFICES WILL BE THERE.
WE WILL MAINTAIN OUR COUNTER SERVICE BUT WILL ADD A DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE. THAT'S IS THE MOST REQUESTED SERVICE WE HAVE AND THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO PUT IT BACK IN PLACE AFTER WE LOST IT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
IT'S ALSO A VERY CONVENIENT LOCATION OFF OF DALROCK AND 66.
AMPLE PARKING AND EASY DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE CUSTOMERS.
THIS IS THE LOCATION. SOME PERSPECTIVE, IT IS IN WHAT WE CALL AROUND HERE THE TOM THUMB PARKING LOT.
KIND OF FACING DALROCK NEXT TO I BELIEVE THAT IS TACO BELL OR JACK IN THE BOX KIND OF RIGHT TO THERE BEHIND THE WALL GREENS.
$400,000 TO BUILD IT OUT. WE'RE CLOSER TO 588,000 WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT FOR TRANSPARENCY REASONS. YOU CAN SEE THERE THE THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF NONNEGOTIABLES. CAR ACCESS AND CAMERAS ARE CRITICAL. THERE'S MINOR ROOF REPAIR.
THERE'S SOME BUILDOUT TO ENSURE WE HAVE A SECURE PLACE FOR OUR STAFF. EASY ACCESS FOR OUR -- AND EASY ACCESS FOR THE VOTING LOCATION AND THE RESTROOMS. OFFICE FURNITURE, WE WILL HIRE SOMEONE TO MOVE THESE FOLKS SO THAT THEY CAN CLOSE ONE DAY AND OPEN THE NEXT DAY.
WE WILL ALSO KEEP TWO OFFICES OPEN FOR I SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO HICCUPS IN THIS MOVE SO THAT OUR CUSTOMERS ARE NEVER WITHOUT SERVICE.
AMANDA HAS THAT PLANNED OUT VERY WELL.
ONE EXPENSE THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE IS THE FIBER AND
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SWITCH. IT'S ALSO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.THIS IS A DUPLICATED EFFORT MEETING THERE AT THAT LOCATION.
THERE WILL NEVER BE DOWN SERVICE.
IF WE ONLY RUN ONE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS OUR UTILITY BILLING SERVICE IS OFF LINE AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THEY NOT HAVE.
THAT IS A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE EXPECTED.
>> I HAVE SERIOUS RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT.
260,000, THAT'S A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR TO RUN TWO FIBER LINES FROM TWO LOCATIONS. WHY THE HECK DO WE NEED THAT KIND OF REDUNDANCY? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> FIBER GETS CUT ALL THE TIME AND MOST OF OUR --
>> I DISAGREE. >> FACILITIES ARE ON REDUNDANCY.
IF IT'S CUT OUR BILLING OFFICE IS SHUT DOWN UNTIL THEY CAN GET IT FIXED AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN QUICKLY.
>> WHAT'S OUR AGREEMENT WITH OUR PROVIDER TO GET THAT FIX SNIDE.
>> I CANNOT ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY
GET YOU THAT ANSWER. >> THERE IS.
>> I HOPE SO. >> I HAVE SERIOUS RESIDENCE RATIONS. I THINK -- RESERVATIONS.
I THINK YOU CAN COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THAN RUNNING TWO FIBER LINES AT A COST OF A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS.
HAS TO BE. THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S A REASONABLE COST THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE BUILDOUT OF THIS
BUILDING IN MY OPINION. >> AND TO BE HONEST, IT LOOPS AND ALSO HELPS LOOP THE CITY AND THAT'S SOMETHING JOEY WAS ALREADY WORKING ON, ENSURING WE HAD A FIBER LOOP SO GOING FROM THE FIRE STATION TWO TO THREE IT WAS SOMETHING HE ALREADY PLANNED JUST NOT NOW AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT NOW.
>> I WOULD BE MUCH MORE AMENABLE TO RUNNING SOMETHING FROM FIRE STATION 3 DOWN PRINCETON TO THIS BUILDING AND THEN PUTTING THAT OTHER LINK FROM FIRE STATION 2 NORTH IN A SEPARATE PLAN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TOTAL BUILDOUT COST BECAUSE I KNOW YOU MENTIONED KEEPING OUR STAFF SAFE AND SECURE WHICH, GREAT, LOVE THE CONCEPT.
THIS WAS A BANK. HOW MUCH MORE SAFE AND SECURE
I THINK THIS IS -- THIS BANK HAS BEEN GUTTED.
THEY HAVE BUILT SOME WALLS INSIDE WE HAVE TO TAKE DOWN.
THEY COVERED UP THE COUNTER AND ALL OF THE DRIVE THROUGH SO WE HAVE TO CLEAR ALL THAT OUT AND MAKE A WORK SPACE IN THE BACK.
IT HAS KIND OF STAND UP TELLER COUNTERS.
WE WILL HAVE STAFF WORKING THERE FULL TIME.
THAT WON'T JUST BE THEIR JOB. THEY HAVE L HAVE TO HAVE A DESK AREA IN THERE SO THERE IS THAT THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
THERE'S A WALL THAT HAS TO BE BUILT THAT SPRATS THE PUBLIC COUNTER FROM WHERE STAFF WILL BE BEHIND THE WALL.
IF YOU WALK INTO CHASE BANK YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR.
I THINK I INCLUDED A PICTURE. YOU WALK IN AND THERE WILL BE A WALL AND SECURITY AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR FRONT COUNTER BUT STAFF -- THE PUBLIC CAN'T GET BACK TO STAFF BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE VOTING LOCATION AND TO THE RESTROOMS AND THERE IS SOME NEW FLOORING. THIS HAS CARPET AND THERE ARE CHUNKS OF CARPET MISS SGLG HOW SUBSTANTIALLY ARE WE REFURING
THIS BUILDING IN. >> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT IS MINOR REFRESH. ADDING WALLS.
CEILING TILES THAT ARE MISSING, TAKING OUT SOME OF THE BANK THINGS WHERE TELLERS STOOD AND TURNING THEM INTO OFFICE SPACE.
THEY HAD I'M NOT SURE WHY WHEN CHASE CLOSES A BANK THEY GO IN AND BUILD WALLS WHERE THE COUNTERS WERE BUT THEY DID.
SO THERE'S LITERALLY WHEN YOU WALK IN WHERE USED TO BE A PUBLIC COUNT EAR THERE'S A BIG WALL NOW SO WE VERY TO CONVERT
THAT INTO A DESK SPACE. >> THIS BANK TURNED INTO A
>> IT WASN'T YOUR TRADITIONAL BANK.
>> AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE THE BANK WALKED OUT AND JUST LEFT TELLER DRAWERS. THOSE DON'T SERVE US.
WE HAVE TO HAVE HAVE A WORK SPACE BECAUSE OUR FOLKS SPEND 20% OF THEIR TIME SERVICING CUSTOMERS AND FACE-TO-FACE AND 80% OF THEIR TIME DOING THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES AND PROCESSING PAPERWORK AND THAT STUFF. MAIL INS AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT
IS. >> SO THE COST OF THOSE THINGS WE'RE PRICING OUT ARE NEEDS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO R FOR THE
CADILLAC BUILDING. >> WE ARE NOT.
THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. I ABSOLUTELY -- WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND THEY HAD OPTIONS.
WE CAME BACK AND SAID I'M NOT INTERESTED IN GOLD PLATING THE WALLS. RIGHT.
I MEAN I'M JOKING BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
WE NEED A FUNCTIONAL AND SAFE AND WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE'RE SPENDING. 100% UTILITY DOLLARS AND THEY DID THAT WITH BOTH THE BUILDOUT AND THE OFFICE FURNITURE.
AND JOEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ABOUT FIBER.
HI, JOEY. I KNEW HE WAS WATCHING.
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>> WE WERE ON THE FIBER THING AND I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THIS AND BASED ON WHAT ANGIE JUST TOLD ME WE'RE TALKING RUNNING FIBER FER THE FIRE STATION 3 SOUTH AND 2 NORTH AND LOOPING
>> FOR REDUNDANCY PURPOSES. >> CORRECT.
>> I CAN'T BUY INTO A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS INTO THIS.
IF WE WANT REDUNDANCY IN MY OPINION ONE LINE FROM THE NORTH IS PROBABLY THE SHORTER RUN I WOULD GUESS AND IF WE NEED REDUNDANCY, WE CAN PAIR WITH ANOTHER INTERNET PROVIDER.
DO WE DO ANY TYPE OF END POINT VPN TO VPN CONNECTION ACTIVITY?
>> WE DO NOT HAVE FIBER CURRENTLY TO OUR FACILITY AT COMMUNITY PARK. IT'S PARKS MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVE AN FIOS CONNECTION THAT RUNS TO IT AND THEN WE RUN A VPN TUNNEL THROUGH THE INTERNET TO IT.
IT'S NOT VERY RELIABLE. >> SO WHAT'S NOT RELIABLE?
THE VPN OR FRONTIER? >> IT'S USUALLY FRONTIER.
>> SO I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THE CHASE BANK BUILDING AND I HAVE FRONTIER, A RESIDENCEAL CONNECTION.
-- RESIDENTIAL CONNECTION. I AM UP 99.99% OF THE TIME.
>> WE HAD TO HAVE THEM ON A SPECIAL LINE UP THERE.
THEY WERE NOT IN THE AREA. >> LET ME TALK TO THE QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS. THAT IS ALSO FOR FUTURE EXPENDITURES AND WHEN I SAY THAT, WE WANT FIBER -- PUBLIC WORKS WANTS FIBER TO INTERSECTIONS FOR CAMERAS AND IT ALSO HELPS GET FIBER TO EMERGENCY SIRENS IN THE AREA.
IT WILL ALSO BUILD BETTER REDUNDANCY IN OUR ACTUAL FIBER OPTIC NETWORK. SO, YES, IT IS TO BUILD REDUNDANCY AND WE HAND YOU WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND IT SHOULD WORK MOST OF THE TIME.
BUT, AGAIN, THIS WILL ALSO BE -- IT WON'T BE JUST TO SERVICE THAT BUILDING AND IT MAY JUST BE FOR THOSE BUT IT WILL ALSO BE FOR FUTURE GROWTH FOR WHATEVER PEOPLE WANT.
>> AND LET ME SAY THIS: THE NATURE OF REDUNDANCY IS EXPENSIVE. I MEAN, OTHERWISE WE WOULD NOT DO ANY REDUNDANCY AT ALL FOR ANYTHING EVER.
BUT ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT CURRENTLY OUR SYSTEM IS LIKE PACMAN. IT'S LIKE PACMAN.
WE CIRCLE ALL THE WAY AROUND EXCEPT THAT SPOT RIGHT THERE.
WITH THAT, WE WOULD CLOSE THE CIRCLE PLUS IT WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DO OTHER THINGS AS JOEY WAS SAYING LATER.
I THINK THERE'S VALUE BEYOND IT. BUT THINGS COULD BE DONE IN STAGES. TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, WE WANTED TO ONLY DO STATION THREE TO START WITH HE'S STILL GOING TO CONTINUE IN FUTURE YEARS TO PRESS FOR TO THAT SO IT NEEDS TO DONE. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME AND PARTICULARLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND TO SPEAK TO YOUR OTHER STATEMENT, I SPOKE TO OUR FIBER VENDOR AND IT WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO HOOK IT UP TO FIRE STATION 2 AND GO UP BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH STUFF IN THE WAY COMING BACK DOWN.
>> TO YOUR QUESTION, WHAT IS THE SATELLITE RESTORATION WITH FRO FRONTIER?
>> IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE I THINK FOUR TO SIX HOURS FOR A RESPONSE. NOT FOR A FIX.
FOR A RESPONSE. >> SO WHEN I LOOKED YESTERDAY I'M THINKING WE'VE GOT SPECIAL BUSINESSES ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY THAT USE VARIOUS INTERNET PROVIDERS TO CONNECT.
THEY HAVE THE SAME MINDSET. I CAN'T EVER BE DOWN IF I'M DOWN I'M LOSING SALES RIGHT. WE HAVE THAT SAME MINDSET.
THEY'RE NOT SPENDING A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO GET INTERNET SO WHAT ALTERNATIVES ARE THERE TO MAKE THIS WORK? WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CAN OF WORKS THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE STAFF REPORT WHICH IS ANY DOWN TIME HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON OUR CITIZENS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING THE LOOP SO WE CAN CONNECT IN CAMERAS AND DIFFERENT OTHER FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY.
>> RIGHT. >> AND THIS ALLOWS US TO CONTROL OUR STUFF. I DON'T LIKE TO RELY ON FRONTIER FOR MY AVAILABILITY TO THE CITIZENS.
BUT THIS IS THE UTILITY BUILDING OFFICE.
IT'S NOT THE POLICE STATION, NOT A SUPER CRITICAL FUNCTION.
WE KNOW THE IMPACT IT HAS. >> SECOND OR THIRD TIME IN A YEAR. SO HOW DOES THIS HAVE SUCH A PRIORITY AND YET WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IMPROVING THAT SYSTEM. TY KNOW IT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS CONVERSATION BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK UNDERGROUND LINES THAT THE CITY OWNS AND WILL BE THERE UNTIL WE DON'T WANT THEM THERE. AND THEY CAN BE UTILIZED FOR ANYTHING, ANY FUTURE GROWTH. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT AND ALSO TRYING TO GET REDUNDANCY.
I DON'T WANT TO MOVE UTILITY BUILDING.
AND THEN THEM GO TO THE NEW LOCATION AND NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR PAYMENT. SO THAT'S ALSO PART OF IT.
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>> AND IN FAIRNESS, JEFF, THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION ABOUT -- THIS IS NOT SOMETHING JOEY AND SHE ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO.
THERETO ARE OTHER SERVICES BESIDES FRONTIER.
SOMETIMES OUR FAILURES ARE A FRONTIER ISSUE.
THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AND THEY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THOSE TO
SEE THE OPTIONS. >> SO WHEN WHEN I'M THINKING REDUNDANCY I'M THINKING MULTIPLE VENDORS WHICH GIVES US THE MOST REDUNDANCY. WITH THIS IF WHAT -- IS THIS
CITY PHONED FIBER? >> WE HAVE OUR OWN NETWORK
THROUGHOUT THE CITY. >> AND SO RIGHT NOW IF THAT
NETWORK FAILS WHAT HAPPENS? >> SO WE SELF-HEALING RING. SO SAY WE GET A CUT HERE.
OUR EQUIPMENT DETECTS IT AND IT REROUTES TRAFFIC BACK AROUND THE RING TO THAT LOCATION. AND THEN WE CALL OUR FIBER VENDOR TO COME FIX IT. THAT'S HOW IT'S DESIGNED TO
WORK. >> SO WHAT I'M HEARING THE REDUNDANCY IS NOT JUST FOR UTILITY BILLING BUT IS FOR OTHER CITY SERVICES. AND WE ARE EXPECTING TO PAY FOR THIS BUILDOUT THROUGH OUR UTILITY FUND.
CONCERNS ABOUT SHARING SERVICE ACROSS OTHER FUNCTIONS.
>> WENDY DOES NOT. SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD NO.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU. >> ONE OF THE -- WE'RE -- THIS PLAN, THIS BUDGET THAT WE GOT IS ABOUT $140,000 OVER BUDGET OF WHAT WE PROJECTED. RIGHT.
FINGERPRINT THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION THAT WOULD GET US IN OUR BUDGET RANGE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY PLANNED FOR VIA DOING THE END TO END VPN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE VALUE AND LOOPING OUR SYSTEM. WOULD THIS TRULY CLOSE OUR LOOP?
>> IT'S CLOSED FOR THE MOST PART.
IT WILL GIVE US BETTER REDUNDANCY IN THAT.
AND LET ME PREFACE -- LET ME JUST SAY, YOU TELL ME TO GET A VERIZON CONNECTION. I'LL DO IT.
I'M STILL GOING TO PUSH FOR IT. WHEN WE WANT TO BRING A NEW BUILDING ONLINE I'M GOING TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE CITY REGARDLESS OF COST. GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO OR ARE U - HERE TO DO BUT I'M TRYING TO PROTECT THE CITY SO THAT'S REALLY I'M DOING BEST CASE SCENARIO.
>> SO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR CITY FACILITIES ARE CURRENTLY
CONNECTED WITH THE CITY FIBER? >> THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE NOT IS THE COMMUNITY PARK BUILDING WHICH IS AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PUBLIC WORKS HAS LIKE A WATER BUILDING OVER BY FIRE STATION 2. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WRIT IS.
WE HAVE BUILDINGS, IT'S KIND OF FAIRLY NEW.
WHEN WE BUILT IT, I TRIED TO GET FIBER TO GO THERE BUT THEY SAID NO. WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN THERE AND WE'LL GIVE THEM AN AIR CARD AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW. IT'S OVER BY FIRE STATION TWO AROUND -- OFF OF RELIC -- SORRY. FIRE STATION FOUR.
>> I THINK WHAT'S FRUSTRATING FOR ME IS WHEN WE INITIALLY PRICED THIS OUT THIS COMPONENT WAS MISSING.
THE CARD ACCESS COMPONENT WAS MISSING WHICH TO ME IS MIND BOGGLING BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS CONTROL TO THE BUILDING. BUT THIS PIECE IS SO BIG FOR THAT NOT TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE WERE PRICING IT OUT INITIALLY
IS A HUGE OVERSIGHT. >> AND I THINK IN FAIRNESS WHEN WE DID THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING 100,000 FOOT IS THERE AN INTEREST.
OUR STAFF WENT OUT AND VERY QUICKLY SAID WE GOT TO HAVE THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND I THINK I FIGURED IN $70,000 FOR FIBER AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. BUT, AGAIN, IN FEBRUARY IT WAS LESS OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
TY KNEW ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO IT FOR.
WE'RE ABOUT OVER THAT BY $180,000 AND MORE ABOUT IS THERE AN INTEREST FOR COUNCIL TO GO THAT WAY.
>> AND LET ME THROW THIS OUT. IN THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
IF THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT THE PRICE I MEAN I THINK WHAT JOEY IS SAYING IS OPTIMAL. THIS IS THE OPTIMAL BECAUSE THE FIBER -- WITH FIBER WE HAVE THE MOST CONTROL.
WE HAVE PAINFUL EXPERIENCES WITH OTHER ISPS THAT ARE NOT, INCLUDING OUR 911 SYSTEM, WHERE WE'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF THAT AND ARE HAVING ISSUES. SO IT WOULD BE MOST OPTIMAL BUT
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RATHER THAN JUST SAYING LET'S CUT IT OFF AT A HARD NUMBER SAY $2 MILLION WHAT IF WE SAID INSTEAD LET'S AT LEAST ADVANCE THE BALL, YOU KNOW. IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE CONNECTION FROM FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO TO THIS AT LEAST AT THIS TIME AND MAYBE THE COST IS 2 MILLION 30, I MEAN, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE AND WE GO WITH THAT AS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE AND ONE THAT ADVANCES THE BALL AND THEN>> I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE AND I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS REVENUE FUNDING BUT TO ME GETTING INTERNET TO THE BUILDING IS REVENUE FUNDING. EXTENDING REVENUE BEYOND THAT IS OUT OF BOUNDS OF WHAT IS DESIGNED TO FUND HERE.
I THINK THAT'S A SOLUTION AND IF YOU NEED A REDUNDANT OPTION WE CAN GET THERE ONE. -- GET ONE.
ALL BUSINESSES IN TOWN PROBABLY HAVE TWO MEANS OF CONNECTIVITY.
A PRIMARY AND BACK UP. AND EVERY SINGLE BIG BOX BUSINESS IN THIS COMMUNITY HAS THAT.
SURELY WE CAN MANAGE WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
YOU KNOW. AND I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE INCONVENIENT TO BE DOWN BUT IT'S NOT WORLD ENDING.
>> THE LIBRARY STARTED HAVING ISSUES WITH THEIR INTERNET ON THE SUMMER READING PROGRAM ON SATURDAY.
WHAT DO THEY DO? PHIL GRABS SOME HOT SPOTS AND THEY GO FULL ON. THEY HAVE A BACK UP PROCEDURE IN PLACE. PROBABLY NOT A $260,000 SOLUTION. THEY JUST HAVE A BASIC PRACTICAL
SOLUTION. >> I THINK ANY OPPOSITION TO
I AGREE WITH JEFF. I THINK WE NEED TO DO THIS.
BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE IT PHASED IN.
>> WHAT IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ALREADY FACTORED INTO A LINE ITEM THAT I'M NOT -- JUST MORE OF A HEADS UP. SO I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT
SIGNAGE FOR THE BUILDING. >> THAT'S FACTORED?
>> PERFECT. >> THAT'S PART OF THE BUILDOUT ENCOMPASSES A LOT OF THINGS. PAINT AND --
A LOT OF STUFF. >> THEN THAT'S IT.
>> THAT'S THE ONGOING LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE BUT THERE'S RETENTION OR DETENTION POND THERE THAT NEEDS FENCE WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IN BUILDOUT THAT'S ONE CONTRACT THAT YOU WILL SEE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON A CONSENT ITEM FOR APPROVAL. IT'S OBVIOUSLY $214,000.
THEY ARE JUST BITING AT THE BIT. IT IS A CONTRACT COUNCIL WILL APPROVE AND INCLUDES A NUMBER OF THINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST BUILDING WALLS. >>
>> I BELIEVE THEY WILL DO THAT INSPECTION BUT THE COMPANY HAS ALREADY DONE GENERAL -- LIKE, THEY DID KIND OF A SAFETY INSPECTION. THEY DID, YOU KNOW, HVAC, THEY HAVE TO DO THIS AS BUT THEY HAVE GENERALLY LOOKED AROUND TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T
HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. >> WHAT IS RAS?
>> RESIDENTIAL ACCESSIBILITY SPECIALIST AND IT'S REQUIRED FOR
EVERY FACILITY OVER $50,000. >> OKAY. I THINK WE EITHER HAVE
TO HAVE A NAMING CONTEST OR A -- >> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NAMING RIGHTS AND NO LONGER JUST BEING UTILITY BUILDING.
AND I KNOW AMANDA AND DENISE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
WHETHER IT'S THE UTILITY SERVICE CENTER OR -- THEY'RE WORKING ON
>> RUB, RALLY FACILITY BUILDING. >> NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
>> IT PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE SAID BUT WE WILL HAVE A
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MONTHLY COST FOR THE CONNECTION AND I'LL HAVE TO BUY MORE EQUIPMENT TO SET UP THE VPN AT THAT LOCATION.SO JUST FYI. AS THE REDUNDANCY.
>> AND I DON'T KNOW -- I APPRECIATE YOU DOING YOUR JOB AS YOU SAID. YOUR JOB IS TO GET THE VERY BEST AND OUR JOB IS TO DECIDE WHAT WE CAN AFFORD WITH THE TAXPAYER'S
MONEY. >> ABSOLUTELY GOT A PHONE CALL THAT WAS LIKE WHAT IN THE -- [LAUGHTER].
>> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
OR CONCERNS? >> JUST A HEADS UP, ONLY A FEW MORE SLIDES. WE CLOSED ON THE BANK.
TONIGHT WE'RE HAVING THIS WORK SESSION.
AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WILL YOU HAVE TWO CONSENT A TESTIMONIES. PROBABLY FIBER AND BUILDOUT.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND THEY WILL START PULLING THE TRIGGER ON OTHER ITEMS IMMEDIATELY.
WE COULD BE WAY AHEAD OF AN OCTOBER GRAND OPENING.
IT IS TAKING THE 12 TO 14 WEEKS TO GET FURNITURE AND SUPPLIES SO WE WANTED TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET IT SET UP AND ENOUGH TIME TO SUCCESSFULLY MOVE THE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T WANT TO HALF ■DOITAND US GET THERE AND NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE. SO WE WANT TO WAY PARTY AND RIBBON CUTTING THE CURRENT PLAN IS OCTOBER 2ND.
FINANCIAL IMPACTS WE JUST WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
PLEASE REMEMBER ALSO CHASE BANK ACTUALLY IS PAYING US BACK $1,250 A MONTH. IT WAS INITIALLY 1,000.
THERE IS AN ELECTRIC EXPENSE IN THERE AS WELL WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THEM. $1,250 A MONTH.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> SO 100 MONTHS WOULD PAY FOR
>> ASSUMING THAT LEAVES US ABOUT $57,000 OVER INSTEAD OF 186.
>> UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE IN A -- FORTUNATELY WE'RE IN A HEALTHY
POSITION. >> I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO
HAVE THE CONVERSATION. >> CORRECT.
>> AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROCKWELL COUNTY ELECTIONS THING I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE JUDGE ABOUT ALL THIS AND HE'S REAL EXCITED AND O IF HE CAN HELP I'M SURE HE WILL.
>> IT'S A MATTER OF THEM COMING TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING AND THEY CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL THE BUILDING IS READY TO LOOK AT.
AND THEY MAY HAVE IT READY CLOSER TO READY BEFORE.
AND THEY CAN SEE NOW THAT WHERE THAT BUILDING LOCATION WOULD BE IS ALREADY CLEARLY DELINEATED. THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION. THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS IN THIS STATEMENT I DON'T LIKE. WITH THE LATEST IMPROVEMENTS AND EXCEEDING THE FUND BALANCE NOW BY ABOUT 50 OR 60,000 USE OF THESE ADDITIONAL FUNDS SHOULD STILL LEAVE THE CITY WITH ADEQUATE RESERVES THAT WOULD EARN IT A TOP -- AND SHOULD NOT IMPACT OVERALL BOND RATINGS. HOW SURE OF THAT.
>> I'M VERY CAREFUL WITH MY WORDING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD ME -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR SUMMER IS GOING TO BE LIKE IN OUR SALES SO HOLDING EVERYTHING CONSTANT AS LONG AS WE MEET OUR BUDGET EXPECTATIONS FOR THE SUMMER THEN WE WILL BE
>> $60,000 ITTY BITTY IN THE GRAND CHEMOOF THINGS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE.
>> YES. >> HOW SOON UNTIL WE GET THE LANDSCAPING CLEANED UP? IT IS A MESS.
>> WE WILL START THAT -- THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WILL START MONDAY. SO LANDSCAPING FENCING THERE ARE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT. IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT TO GET
SIGNAGE AND PAINT AND -- >> CAN WE KEEP THE LANDSCAPING ALIVE CONSIDERING IT WILL START TO BE 100 NEXT WEEK?
>> AND THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAN IT UP.
I EXPECT LIKE MANY FACILITIES YOU'LL SEE -- IT DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE FOR US NOT TO DO THAT. >> IT ALSO DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT SOMETHING THERE THAT'S GOING TO DIE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> BILL. RIGHT.
>> I THINK HANNAH IS WATCHING AND THE MINUTE YOU GUYS GIVE ME THE THUMBS UP SHE WILL BE READY TO RELEASE THAT STATEMENT.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE, Y'ALL, ON THIS? WE GOOD? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
[3. Discuss current conditions and potential solutions for damage to the Scenic Point Park Overlook. (30 minutes)]
>> OKAY. EXCELLENT. >> ALL RIGHT.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSS CURRENT CONDITIONS AND POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR DAMAGE TO SCENIC POINT PARK OVERLOOK.
>> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT AN UPDATE TO THE CITY.
WE KNOW THIS HAS CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF INCONVENIENCE BUT OUR ROLE IS TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE SAFE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS TO USE.
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WE'LL GO INTO THE -- JUST A BACKGROUND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A BID IN 2013 TO PURCHASE AND INSTALL ELEVATED BOARDWALK WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT.ORIGINALLY THE BRIDGE CONCEPTS SUPPLIED THE CITY OF DALLAS A DESIGN THAT INCLUDED 106 YELLOW SOUTHERN PINE TIMBER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY WENT WITH HARD TIMBER.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GREEN HEART TIMBER.
THIS WOODPILING BASICALLY MAKES UP THE FOUNDATION OF THE BRIDGE.
KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE 106 TIMBERS FROM IFFING TO END.
THIS -- BEGINNING TO END. THIS IS USED IN MOST EXTREME WEATHER, SALT WATER, LAKES, OCEAN.
IT'S CONSIDERED ONE OF THE STRONGEST WOODS.
HAS AN ESTIMATED LIFE EXPECTANCY OF 75 YEARS AND OVERALL, IT'S EXCEPTIONALLY HARD, HEAVY, TOUGH, STRONG, LASTING.
IT'S ALSO EARNED A STRONG REPUTATION FOR PEST RESISTANCE IN MARINE ENVIRONMENTS. AND A FUN TIDBIT IS THAT EARNEST SHACKLETON'S EXPEDITION ENDURANCE -- AND WHEN IT SANK IN 2015 STAYED IN PRISTINE CONDITION UNTIL 2022.
SO KIND OF SHOWS THE DERBILITY OF THE WOOD.
>> SO HOW DO WE FIND THIS? WE HAVE STAFF DOING SHORE LINE CLEAN UP AND THEY OBSERVED THE SEVERE EROSION AND EXPOSED PILINGS. WE'LL GET INTO PICTURES IN A MINUTE OF WHAT HAPPENED THEY SAW AND -- OF WHAT THEY SAW AND WHAT CAUSED US TO -- WE IMMEDIATELY CLOSED THE AREA OFF TO THE PUBLIC AND NOTIFIED THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
WE THEN MET WITH -- ON SITE TO VIEW THE CONDITIONS AND DISCUSS THE NEXT STEPS AND THE REASON WE DID -- WE MET WITH LATERRA IS BECAUSE THEY ORIGINALLY DID THE DESIGN.
WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE EXPOSED PILINGS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE AREAS THAT LOOK LIKE WERE BROKEN AND/OR ROTTING.
SO WE DID A BIT OF A VISUAL EXAMINATION THERE AS WELL.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE FINDINGS NOW.
THIS IS NOT ALL 18 PILINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF STRESS ON THESE PILINGS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, THIRD PICTURE FROM THE LEFT, WHERE IT'S SEPARATED FROM THE BASE SWELL THE BOTTOM PICTURE WITH THE 30 AND THE RED CIRCLE. THOSE HAVE COME UNDONE AS WELL.
WE'RE NOT 100% SURE WHY THIS HAPPENED.
THAT WILL BE IN ONE OF THE EXPECTATIONS OF OUR RESEARCH WHEN WE TO THAT POINT. -- GET TO THAT POINT.
THESE ARE TWO CAPS THAT ARE ALONG THE BOARDWALK IF YOU WILL THAT ARE COMPLETELY ROTTED AND INSIDE TO BE REPLACED.
YOU SEE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS COMPLETELY HOLLOWED OUT AND THEN THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS RO ROTTED. SO THOSE TWO ALSO HAVE TO BE REPLACED IN ADDITION TO FOUR PLANKS ALONG THE BOARDWALK.
SO BEAR WITH ME. THIS IS THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS.
AFTER WE DISCOVERED EVERYTHING IN OCTOBER WE SIGNED -- WITH BARFIELD IN JANUARY, END OF JANUARY TO BE SPECIFIC.
MARCH 9TH THEY WENT OUT AND INSPECTED THE BRIDGE DECK.
THE SUPERSTRUCTURE TOOK PHOTOS AND THEN REVIEWED THE DOCUMENTS IN THE PHOTOS WITH THEIR STRUCTURAL TEAM.
THEY DETERMINED THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WOODEN COMPONENT OF THE BRIDGE NEEDED TO BE RE-EVALUATED AND AFTER REVIEWING THE RECORD DRAWING THES OFFICIAL REPORTS AND TOTALS.
WEEK LATER, THEY INSPECTED IT AGAIN.
A LOT OF THE PHYSICAL INSPECTION INCLUDING THE TIMBER PILES, PILE CAPS, DECK PLANKS, PRETTY MUCH END TO END TOP TO BOTTOM FOR WHAT THEY COULD PHYSICALLY INSPECT.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW THE WATERS RECEDE AND COME UP AND DOWN.
SO AT THAT TIME THEY COULD NOT PHYSICALLY INSPECT THE ONES DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE OVERLOOK.
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IF YOU WILL. MARCH 27TH, THEY RETURNED THE DOCUMENTS. THEY INITIATED THE FINDINGS, TO TWO PILE CAPS, FOUR DECK PLANKS NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.AGAIN, THEY STATED THAT THEY COULD NOT PHYSICALLY INSPECT THE PILES UNDER NEITHER THE OVERLOOK -- UNDERNEATH THE OVERLOOK DUE YOU TO THE HIGH WATER SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO SET UP ANOTHER TIME TO DO THAT. APRIL 7TH, THEY REPORTED DURING THEIR FIELD INSPECTIONS THEY COULD AND UPDATED THE REPORT AT THAT TIME WHICH THEY SENT BACK TO US.
THEN THEY WERE GOING TO WAIT AND SAID WE'LL WAIT UNTIL JUNE.
WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL JUNE WHEN THE WATERS RECEDE.
BUT WE DID NOT WANT TO WAIT THAT LONG.
SO STAFF ASKED TO ENGINEERS PE INDICT THIS WHETHER THEY BUILT -- EXPEDITE THIS AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PHYSICALLY INSPECT THE PILES UNDERNEATH THE OVERLOOK.
WHAT THEY ENDED UP DOING WAS PHYSICALLY GOING UNDERNEATH AND PHYSICALLY TESTING THE DEXTERITY OF THE PILES.
SO THE WEEK OF MAY 15TH THEY DID A FOLLOW UP INSPECTION.
SO THE PILINGS AND EROSION. THE WEEK OF MAY 21ST, THEY CONFIRMED THAT REPORT AND SAID GIVE US A WEEK AND WE'LL GET THAT REPORT BACK TO YOU WITH ALL THE FINDINGS.
SO WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, FIVE THINGS.
THEY DID THEIR REVIEW OF THE BRIDGE DURING INSPECTION, PICTURES, ALL OF THAT STUFF. THE ANALYSIS WAS PROPERLY DESIGNED TO HANDLE TYPICAL PEDESTRIAN LOADS, WIND LOADS AND 100 YEAR FLOOD EVENTS. THEY ALSO CONFIRMED THAT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN MEETS THE CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE INSTALLATIONS TODAY.
SO THAT WAS A GOOD THING TO FIND OUT TOO.
AGAIN, WHAT THEY FOUND WERE TWO PILE CAPS FOUR DECK BLANKS AND 18 PILES THAT 23450ED TO BE REPLACED.
THEY THEN COIL BACK AND PROVIDED US ANOTHER REPORT ALONG WITH PICTURES AND MARK UPS SHOWING WHERE THE PILES AND THE PLANKS AND EVERYTHING -- I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT.
BUT THIS DESIGN HERE SHOWS YOU KIND OF WHERE EACH PILE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED SO THEY PROVIDED THAT TO US AS WELL.
AND DURING THIS ENTIRE TIME WE STAYED IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OBVIOUSLY WE KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE THE NECESSARY REPAIRS.
ONCE WE MAKE THESE NECESSARY REPAIRS, WE WILL OPEN UP THE BRIDGE BACK TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE OUR AMENITIES ARE SAFE NOT ONLY PLAYGROUND AS, FEEDS, BUT BRIDGE -- FIELDS BUT BRIDGES AND OVERLOOKS AS WELL.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO WORK WITH ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE WHY THIS HAPPENED AND HOW CAN WE PREVENT IT.
CAN WE USE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS THAT WILL PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. WE WILL PARTNER WITH LATERRA AND BWU TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE IN A TIMELY MANNER AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH PRICING ON ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES AS SOON AS WE GET THEM. UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE TO GIVE YOU. I WISH I COULD.
BUT AT THIS TIME RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE ONE.
SO WHEN WAS THE PARK PHYSICALLY CLOSED?
>> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN OCTOBER AND AS SOON AS WE MET WITH LATERRA WE WANTED TO GET HIS -- HE SAID I'M NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. I'M COMING OUT TO LOOK AT THIS AND GIVE YOU GUIDANCE. HE SAID, YEAH, YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER COME OUT HERE BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN END OF
OCTOBER WHEN WE MET WITH HIM. >> AND SO SAME MANAGEMENT FOR ZONE FIVE OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
SO I WAS NOTIFIED BY A CONSTITUENT IN MAY ABOUT THE PARK CLOSURE. I DIDN'T KNOW.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IT HAD BEEN CLOSED SINCE OCTOBER.
I THEN TALKED WITH SOME PARKS BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW EITHER. SO CLEARLY COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN HERE. COUNCIL AND PARKS BOARD SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS ISSUE BECAUSE ATTEND OF THE DAY WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO AGREE TO THE REPAIR COST.
AND WHICH SOUNDS EXORBITANT REALLY.
WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN, TELL US WHEN STUFF HAS GONE BAD BECAUSE STUFF THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO -- IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL ANYWAY PREFER NOT TO HAVE IT
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COME TO ME AFTER A SOLUTION HAS ALREADY BEEN FOUND.I WOULD RATHER KNOW ABOUT IT FIRST AND NOT FIND OUT ABOUT IT FROM A CONSTITUENT MUCH LATER JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY. AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY. LET'S MAKE THIS A PARTNERSHIP.
CLEARLY THIS TIMBER IS ENOUGH BUT NOT TOUGH ENOUGH.
AND THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF 75 YEARS IS NOT THE LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR ROWLETT. IT IS NINE YEARS APPARENTLY.
>> SO THERE'S -- WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS. SO WHY AT THIS TIME TAKE SIX MONTHS FROM OCTOBER TO MARCH TO GET BRINKLY AND BARFIELD TO COME IN? WHAT WAS THE HOLD UP THERE?
>> WE SIGNED THE AGREEMENT WITH THEM IN JANUARY.
>> OKAY. >> SO THEY CAME OUT IN MARCH,
>> SO WE SIGNED THE TASK AUTHORIZATION IN JANUARY AND THEN THEY CAME OUT IN MARCH TO DO THE INITIAL INSPECTION.
>> OKAY. OKAY. >> THEY ALSO REVIEWED THE DRAWINGS AS WELL SO THAT TOOK TIME AS WELL.
>> OKAY. SO SO THAT POINT, HAVE WE CONFIRMED THAT WOOD IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE PURCHASED THE GREEN HEART TIMBER? DO WE KNOW HOW TO CONFIRM THAT? BECAUSE FROM WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD ABOUT THAT TIMBER, WE SHOULD NOT BE HERE.
RIGHT. WE SHOULD BE HERE IN 75 YEARS.
WE'D ALL BE GONE BY THEN. >> I THINK THAT'S AUDIO] I SUSPECT THEY GOT SOME KIND OF CERTIFICATION WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE WOOD. I KNOW IT HAD TO BE SHIPPED HERE. THEY HAD TO WAIT ON IT TO BE SHIPPED FROM WHEREVER. SOUTH AMERICA.
BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONFIRM IS THAT SOMEONE DOES SOME KIND OF CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY IF
THERE IS SUCH A THING. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS I CAN'T TELL FROM THE PICTURES, THE PILINGS THAT WERE NOT ATTACHED TO THE GROUND. WERE THOSE ORIGINALLY IN THE
>> SO THEY'RE DANGLING MEANING THE BRIDGE --
>> PRETTY TALL. >> SO 50% OF THE STRUCTURE WAS UNDERGROUND AT LEAST 25% I WOULD THINK?
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS DONE CORRECTLY IF IT WAS NOT 50% UNDERGROUND. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER BUT GOODNESS
GRACIOUS. >> IT LOOKS TO ME IT WAS JUST
SET ON THE GROUND. >> THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN
IT ABSOLUTELY WAS DRIVEN INTO THE GROUND.
I DON'T KNOW THE FOOTAGE. I COULD LOOK AT DRAWINGS
PROBABLY AND TELL YOU. >> I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS
IT HAS BROKEN OFF AT THE GROUND. >> THAT SOUNDS MORE PLAUSIBLE.
>> AND IN THAT PICTURE -- GO BACK.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE GROUND. THERE'S STILL WOOD IN THE
GROUND. >> OKAY. BUT WAIT A SECOND.
>> THAT IS THE BOTTOM OF THE WOOD.
>> IT IS NOT. THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE BEAVERERS. IT COULD BE A LOT OF -- BEAVERS.
IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS. I TALKEDED WITH LATERRA, TO MEGAN, A GENTLEMAN OUT OF STATE THAT WORKS WITH THIS WOOD AND HE SAID POTENTIALLY BEAVERS BECAUSE IT'S TERMITE RESISTANCE AND IT'S ALL THESE THINGS RESISTANT AND IF YOU LOOK -- WE PULLED THIS PICTURE UP THIS AFTERNOON IT LOOKS LIKE BEAVER GOT AHOLD OF IT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TELL WHEN BEAVERS HAVE GOTTEN AHOLD OF SOMETHING RIGHT AFTER BUT IF IT'S -- SAY THEY GOT IT AND THEN IT STAYED UNDER WATER, I DON'T
KNOW THAT IT'S BEAVER RESISTANT. >> SO CLEARLY IT'S NOT RESISTANT ENOUGH AND THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM, WE CAN'T KNOWING THIS NOW IN OUR EXPERIENCE WITH IT CANNOT GO BACK AND REPLACE IT WITH THE SAME PRODUCT BECAUSE IT HAS FAILED. THE PROBLEM IS GOING AND REPLACING IT WITH A DIFFERENT PRODUCT WILL WE HAVE 18 DIFFERENT SUPPORT BEAMS. NOW YOU'RE GETTING INTO SOME EXTENSIVE COSTS BECAUSE IF YOU JUST DO 18 THE THING IS WE ONLY
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KNOW OF 18. WE ONLY KNOW OF 18 FOR ALL WE KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THESE SUPPORT BEAMS ARE ERODING -->> THEY INSPECTED ALL OF THEM. >> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR I ASSUME SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THAT'S GOING TO RESULT IN THAT SAME EXACT ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE A BREAKAGE UNDER THE GROUND. WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
RIGHT. AND SO THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN WITH STAINLESS STEEL. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE BEST ALTERNATIVE. BUT I'M JUST THINKING OF I'M TRYING TO GRASP THE SEVERITY OF THE SITUATION BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A $200,000 FIX IF WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT RIGHT. THAT'S A BAND AID.
$200,000 BAND AID TO GET US BY A COUPLE MORE YEARS.
>> THIS SOUNDS LIKE A VERY EXPENSIVE IF WE'RE GOING TO
REALLY FIX IT. >> I DON'T THINK WE KNOW TO DATE. THAT IS ONE THING THESE FOLKS WERE TRYING TO GET TOGETHER. THERE WAS AN URGENCY TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU AND THE PUBLIC SO WE'RE HAVING A PREMATURE CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW TODAY.
>> THIS HAPPENED IN OCTOBER. EXCUSE ME FOR BEING PREMATURE
BUT THIS HAPPENED IN OCTOBER. >> I JUST MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE
THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT
>> IN THAT SENSE -- >> BUT, SEE, THIS IS PARTLY WHY WE ENDED UP WHERE WE ARE IS THEY WENT OUT TO TRY TO FIND SOMEBODY TO HELP US FIGURE THIS THING OUT AND WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO DO THAT. ONE THINGLY SAY BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN IT BACK IN 2013 WHEN WE FIRST DID THIS BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS STANDARD WAS THRUST UPON US BY THE DALLAS WATER UTILITY AND AT THAT TIME WAS NOT EVEN ON OUR RADAR THAT THEY MAY REQUIRE SOUTH AMERICAN BALSA WOOD.
>> NO. BLAMING ANYBODY HERE FOR THAT AT
ALL. >> THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS SIMPLY THIS, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO FIX IT, REPLACING ALL OF IT EVEN GOOD WOOD IS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE. THEY MAY STICK US WITH THE SAME REQUIREMENT EVEN ON REPAIRS THAT WE END UP USING THE SAME WOOD.
>> WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE BRIDGE
OR NOT. >> ARE CONCRETE PILINGS NOT AN
>> THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE YOU IS ENCORE USES A METAL SLEEVE. THERE'S THAT OPTION.
WE TALKED TO A GENTLEMAN TODAY AND SOMETIMES THEY INSTALL THOSE IN BRIDGES AND OVERLOOKS WHEN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM SO THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE YOU IS THAT. IF AN ENCORE POLE STARTS TO BREAK IN THE GROUND FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES THEY
SO THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH
THEIR ENGINEERING TEAM. >> JACK IT UP.
CUT IT OFF. POUR CONCRETE FOOTING AND DROP
IT BACK IN. >> THOSE ARE THINGS WE GOT TO GO
TO OUR EXPERTS TO MAKE SURE. >> WHAT IS THEIR COST SO FAR FOR LATERRA AND BRINKLY AND BARFIELD?
>> TOP OF MY HEAD I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK.
>> JUST BALLPARK. >> I THINK IT'S IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OF 11 TO 13,000. >> I THINK IT'S 11,008.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. ARE THERE -- THERE ARE ADDITIONAL EROSION ISSUES ON THAT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> SO ARE WE ONLY GOING TO LOOK AT THIS OR SHOULD WE ALSO LOOK AT THE BROADER PICTURE OF THE
ENTIRE PARK? >> THERE'S CURRENTLY A GRANT OUT THAT RACHEL WROTE TO DO SOME REPAIR AT SEVERAL OF OUR LAKE FRONT PARKS. NOT JUST SCENIC.
BECAUSE WE HAD A NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE LAKE FRONT HAVING ISSUES. SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HE ARE ALSO WORKING ON JUST MAYBE NOT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT WHICH DEALS SPECIFICALLY --
>> I THINK THIS IS GOING TO GO EVENTUALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH RIGHT NOW. THIS IS GOING TO END UP BEING A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH LARGER REPAIR THAN $200,000. IF WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT THE RIGHT WAY. WE CAN BAND AID IT OR FIX IT OR WE CAN GET RID OF IT. THERE'S THREE OPTIONS.
I MEAN THAT'S THE THING. IF IT'S GOING TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER
AND AT THIS POINT WE HAVE 18 IN TEN YEARS.
OKAY. HOW MANY IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
>> RIGHT. >> AND THE NEXT TEN YEARS AFTER THAT. WE SPEND 100 OR $200,000 A YEAR TO MAINTAIN THIS THING. WE NEED TO LOOK AT NOT JUST WHAT THE FIX IS BUT WHAT THE MAINTENANCE COST IS OVER THE
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LIFETIME OF THIS AND WHAT THE USAGE IS.>> WE SPENDING $100,000 PER WALK.
>> I WILL TELL YOU IT IS A HIGHLY USED BECAUSE IT CONNECTS THERE ARE A TON OF RUNNERS THAT RUN.
WE CAN PEOPLE COUNT. WE HAVE PEOPLE COUNTERS DOING
>> BUT I WILL TELL YOU IT CONSISTENTLY GETS USED.
WE ARE HAVING A PROBLEM SECURING IT.
THEY'RE JUMPING THE FENCE. DAILY.
THEY HAVE LITERALLY GONE IN AND PUT IN A PERMANENT FOX AND THEY CLIMBED ON TOP OF IT AND BENT IT.
SO DANGER WARNING SIGNS AND THEY HAVE JUMPED ON TOP OF IT IN THE LAST WEEK AND BENT THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AND THAT'S NOT AN
EASY THING TO DO. >> SO I WAS THERE AT THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THAT PARK. THERE WERE EROSION ISSUES THE
DAY OF THE CUTTING. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> AND COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN WHEN SHE WAS ON COUNSEL WAS WALKING AROUND AND EXPLAINING THAT STAFF WAS WORKING ON THIS AND IT WAS GOING TO BE FIXED AND HERE WE ARE.
WHAT HAPPENED DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE HAPPENED HAD WE -- HAD THE MAYOR NOT HAVE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS AND LIT A FIRE UNDER STAFF TO GET AN ANSWER FROM BRINKLY AND BARFIELD.
BECAUSE I SEE IT AS THEY KIND OF TOOK THE APPROACH OF WELL WE GOT TO WAIT FOR THE WATER TO GO DOWN.
WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH JUNE. THE LAKE IS AT 99.1%.
HOW LONG WOULD WE HAVE WAITED BEFORE WE LIT A FIRE UNDER THEM TO GO DO THIS IS THE THIS IS A PUBLIC AMENITY THAT WE'VE PAID A LOT FOR. IF ALL IT TOOK WAS A CANOE.
COME ON. THAT DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO UNDERSTAND WE COULD HAVE TOLD THEM, HEY, THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER SOLUTION. LET'S FIGURE IT OUT.
>> WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WHEN THAT REPORT CAME BACK ATTEND OF MAY AND I SAID YOU HAVE -- AT THE THE END OF MAY AND HE SAID WE NEED TWO WEEKS AND I SAID GREAT AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT. AT THAT POINT THAT'S WHEN HE REACHED OUT AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO US HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT FIND OUT WHAT IT WILL COST AND THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION FROM THERE. SO THAT IT'S NOT --
>> WE KNEW IT WAS A SENSE OF URGENCY TO GET IT FIXED.
THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE USING IT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE UPSET AND FRUSTRATED.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN GOAL IS TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO PUSH AND GET
THIS THING TAKEN CARE OF. >> I GUESS ONE CONCERN I'VE GOT ALSO THOUGH IS OKAY SO WE'VE GOT 17% FAILURE ON PILINGS AT NINE
>> THAT IS WHAT IS FAILING. THE REST OF THE PILINGS DID NOT -- THEY DID NOT INSPECT THOSE ON A GRADING SCALE.
SO THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY HAVING TO BE REPLACED BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE OTHER WHATEVER 90, 85 PILES WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DISREPAIR ALSO SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS TO MY MIND YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT REPAIRING 18 PILES. YOU'RE LOOKING TO SECURING 180 PILES. THAT'S REALLY THE WAY YOU NEED
TO LOOK AT IT >> WHICH WILL BE OVER A MILLION
AND THEN THAT DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DISCUSS THE EROSION CONTROL SIDE WHICH THERE HAS TO BE A SOLUTION OR IT'S --
>> OR WE'RE TEARING THIS THING DOWN.
>> WE'RE JUST TALKING PILES. THERE ARE OTHER PROBLEMS AS
>> SO MY POINT BEING LOOK AT IT AS 108 PILES.
>> THE WHOLE THING HAS TO BE ASSESSED.
YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT ARE THE VARYING DEGREES OF DEGRADATION ON THE OTHER THINGS. WHAT'S THE REMEDIATION TO GET
THEM OR PRESERVE THEM. >> RIGHT.
>> AND HOW DO WE FIND OUT WHAT'S BELOW GROUND WHEN WE CAN'T SEE WITH THE EYES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALSO HAVEN'T FAILED UNDER NEITHER THE GROUND. A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BUT THESE ARE -- IT'S COUNCIL HAD TO KNOW ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME TO THIS.
WE DON'T LIKE BEING CAUGHT OFF GUARD WITH, HEY, WE'VE HAD A PARK CLOSE IN OCTOBER AND BY THE WAY THIS IS GOING TO BE YOU AN EXPENSIVE REPAIR THAT WILL COME TO YOU LATER ON WHEN WE FIND OUT ALL THE INFORMATION. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TODAY, TO GET COUNCIL BRIEFED ON THIS SO THAT WE CAN START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE IS WITH SCENIC POINT
PARK. >> SO IS OUR DIRECTION RIGHT NOW TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH THE RIGHT EXPERTISE TO COMPLETE THE A'S RECESSMENT -- ASSESSMENT TOP TO BOTTOM ON THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AND THE NEED FOR EROSION CONTROL AND COME BACK TO US WITH A FULL
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ENGINEERING COST AND PLAN? >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M
>> I THINK THAT'S BEEN CLEARLY ARTICULATED.
>> OKAY. >> SO IS THE EROSION CONTROL ISSUE JUST FOR AROUND THE BRIDGE OR IS IT FOR THE ENTIRE
SIDEWALK? >> DO Y'ALL KNOW THAT?
>> WE WILL DO THE ENTIRE LINEAR LENGTH OF THE PARK.
COUNCIL CAN THEN DECIDE -- >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT
THAT MIGHT COST >> >> I THINK RIGHT NOW GIVING
OUT INFORMATION WOULD BE -- >> I THINK WE HAVE MARCHING ORDERS AND I THINK FOR ME AND US THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
>> SO MICHAEL'S POINT I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO UNDERSTAND SOME SORT OF GRADING SCALE ON ALL THOSE OTHER FILINGS, THE OTHER COMPLETE STRUCTURE OF THE BRIDGE JUST TO DETERMINE DO WE HAVE 80% OF THEM THAT ARE FINE. SIT 80% OF THEM IN SOME SORT OF STATE OF DISREPAIR. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HELP
GUIDE THAT DECISION. >> AND WHERE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE FAILURES. ONE SPOT.
IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT SPOT?
Y'ALL KNOW -- >> WE NEED TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE THIS THING MAY BE BIG ENOUGH THAT SOCIAL SECURITY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FIND OUT MAINTENANCE.
>> THIS SOUNDS LIKE A BOND PROJECT ALREADY.
>> YES. >> AND AND I WOULD APPRECIATE CONTINUED RESEARCH ON THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, THE ORIGINAL WOOD, GOING BACK, FIGURE OUT WHAT CAUSED THIS BECAUSE TO THE HISTORY CHANNEL'S POINT, IF THERE WAS A SHIFT THAT WAS SUNK FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS AND THE WOOD IS FINE, WHAT'S THE ISSUE HERE? IS IT JUST A BIG POOL OF ACID OR WHAT? [LAUGHTER].
>> OR DID WE GOOD THE WOOD FROM THIS SHIP.
>> SALT WATER -- >> I WOULD LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY GOT THE WOOD WE ORDERED.
>> AND NOT EVEN SO MUCH WHETHER OR NOT IT IS THE WOOD BECAUSE I'M AN OPTIMISTIC GUY AND WILL BELIEVE WE GOT THE WOOD THEY SAID WE'RE GETTING BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS DOES IT COME WITH ANY SORT -- I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WARNING BUT CERTAINLY I MEAN YOU'RE BUYING A PREMIUM PRODUCT THAT'S BEING, YOU HAVE TO BUY IT BASICALLY. IT'S BEING DICTATED TO YOU.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT. DO WE HAVE ANY RESOURCE? I DON'T KNOW WHO THE RESOURCE IS WITH.
IT'S NOT WITH THE ENGINEER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WITH THE BUILDER. MAYBE IT'S THE SUPPLIER.
I DON'T KNOW. AND MAYBE WE'RE JUST GRASPING AT STRAWS BUT THAT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.
>> IT'S BEEN NINE YEARS. >> TEN YEARS FOR A 75-YEAR LIFETIME PRODUCT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE GOT SCAMMED.
THERE'S SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT. WE MAY JUST BE PUSHING ROPE.
BUT AT LEAST SOMEBODY SHOULD ASK THE QUESTION.
>> YOU RAISE A VALID POINT. THE ORIGINAL DESIGNER IS BRIDGE
>> DO THEY SOMEHOW BYPASS THEM BECAUSE OF THIS DALLAS WATER
UTILITIES? >> SO THE PLANS WERE APPROVED AND THE PLANS WERE DESIGNED. AND AT DALLAS FOR APPROVAL WHEN DALLAS SAID TIMEOUT. HAVE YOU TO HAVE THIS WOOD.
THEY THEN HAD TO OUTSOURCE THAT. WE HAVE THE RECEIPT WHERE THEY PURCHASED THAT WOOD FROM A THIRD PARTY.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT THIRD PARTY.
>> WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE. >> YEAH.
IT WAS NOT AN OPTION. >> SO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED.
>> YES. >> I THINK IT'S REALLY CLEAR WE NEED TO COME BACK WITH ANSWERS AND ASK PROBATIVE QUESTIONS AND
COME BACK WITH THE ANSWERS. >> YES. COUNCIL, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK Y'ALL. APPRECIATE IT.
[4. The City Council shall convene into Executive Session pursuant to Texas Government Code, §551.072 (Sale of Real Property) and §551.071 (Consultation with Attorney), to seek legal advice from the City Attorney and to discuss the purchase/sale of property located at Dalrock Road and Martha Lane. (15 minutes) ]
OUR FISHINGS ITEM IS ITEM FOUR, WE'LL BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL QUEEN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. SALE OF REAL PROPERTY.IT IS 7:11. WE ARE CONCLUDING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. NO ACTION TAKEN.
WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.