Mar 18, 2024 City Council Work Session

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MARCH 18, 2024. THERE IS A CORM PRESENT AT THE CITY HALL MUNICIPAL BUILDING AT 6:00 PM AND AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, THIS MEETING MAY BE CONVENED INTO CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON ANY AGENDA ITEM HEREIN. THE CITY OF ROWLETT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO RECONVENE, RECESS OR REALIGN THE WORK SESSION OR CALLED EXECUTIVE SESSION OR ORDER OF BUSINESS AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO ADJOURNMENT. FOR INQUIRIES AND COMMENTS ARE

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SPEAK WE >> WE HAD EIGHT ONLINE PUBLIC INPUT FOR ITEM 3 DEWEY . SMITH NO CITIZENS INPUT?

>> ARE YOU FILLING OUT A CARD QUIZ FOR JUST, THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU WILL HAVE 3 MINUTES.

>> BETTY WHITE , BETTY CHAPMAN WHITE, 25 YEAR RESIDENT OF ROWLETT AND I SIT ON THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. I'M VERY EAGER TO HEAR THE PRESENTATIONS FROM ALL THREE FIRMS TONIGHT AND VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF GETTING A NEW CITY HALL AND IT BEING NO COST TO TAXPAYERS. REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BOND ELECTION COMING UP IN MAY AND SEEING AS HOW THE 16% OF THE BOND ELECTION OR 2.3 OR $2.5 MILLION OF THAT IS ALLOCATED TO PARKS AND RECREATION NEEDS, I ASK THAT EACH OF YOU , EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT, FAMILIARIZE YOURSELVES ON THE 2018 PARKS MASTER PLAN AND ALSO THE RESULTS FROM THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BACK THEN. ALSO THE 2023 PARKS MASTER PLAN UPDATE , THE FIVE-YEAR UPDATE REQUIRED BY TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE TO MAINTAIN OUR ACCREDITATIONS.

IT IS REQUIRED AND WE DID THE FIVE-YEAR UPDATE LAST YEAR AND THERE WAS ANOTHER SURVEY DONE. THAT HAD A BIT MORE DIVERSE ANSWERS AND PEOPLE THAT WERE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT A PART FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND IF YOU SEE AN OPTION OR AVAILABILITY TO FILL SOME OF THOSE REQUESTS BY THE CITIZENS WHO ELECTED EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU AND PAY FOR THE CITY TO RUN AND TO VOTE IN THE BOND ELECTIONS, IF YOU SEE A NEED OR AVAILABILITY TO FILL ONE OF THOSE REQUESTS, PLEASE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER IT.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. >> WE WILL NOW MOVE ONTO ITEM 3 A , THE PRESENTATION FROM PARK HILL.

>> TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW. WE HAVE THREE FIRMS THAT WILL PRETTY PRESENTING THE PARK HILL , RFQ REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND QUALIFICATIONS BASED SELECTION PROCESS. YOU ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A TALLY SHEET AND WE WILL ASK YOU TO IDENTIFY YOUR FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD FIRM OF THE NIGHT AND ON THE SHE THE CHALLENGE WE GAVE INTRODUCING THE TEAM AND TALK ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS AND I ASKED THEM TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK. THEY WILL SHOW YOU PRETTY PICTURES AND I WANT TO CAUTION YOU AND PEOPLE WATCHING THAT THESE ARE PRETTY PICTURES DONE WITHOUT A LOT OF DETAILED LOOK AT THE SITE OR CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY. PLEASE DO TAKE THEM AS EVIDENCE OF HOW THEY WOULD APPROACH IT BUT CERTAINLY NOT ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT WE WOULD CALL FINAL DESIGN. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER AND MAKE SURE WE ARE GIVEN MOST OF THE TIME WITH ONE HOUR FOR EACH . 45 MINUTES FOR THE PRESENTATION AND PLENTY OF TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WE START OFF WITH SCOTT NELSON.

>> DO YOU MIND GETTING THE PRESENTATIONS TODAY SENT TO

COUNSEL BY EMAIL? >> YES.

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF, VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE THE DESIGNS ARE HALF-BAKED AT BEST BECAUSE IT WAS ALL OF US WITHOUT ANY OF YOUR INPUT THAT

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WITH ME TODAY I'M JOINED BY JASON BENNETT ONE OF OUR PROJECT MANAGERS. JASON BRINGS IN GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH CITY HALL AND IS CURRENTLY THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S NEW CITY HALL WHICH IS IN CONSTRUCTION SO IT'S COMING AT A GREAT TIME FOR HIM TO MOVE INTO A NEW DESIGN PHASE. ALSO JOINED BY CHRIS TRIBBLE. CHRIS SAT ON YOUR SIDE OF THE TABLE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND WAS A CLIENT OF OURS FOR THE TOWN OF SOUTH LAKE AND DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO RETIRE FROM MUNICIPAL LIFE AND WE SAID GREAT, COME TO PARK HILL. HE HELPS US MAKE SURE WE ARE CAPTURING WHAT YOU NEED. HE WILL BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET . ALSO JOINED BY JAMES WILLIAMS AS WE LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND THE UNIQUE ASPECTS AND WE FELT THERE WAS SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE PARK AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT HE HAS BEEN INTERVAL IN THE DESIGN CONCEPTS. PARK HILL HAS DONE SOMETHING A LITTLE UNIQUE AND WE BROUGHT IN THE BEST EXPERTS WE COULD FIND. WE BELIEVE WE'VE GOT A STRONG EXPERIENCE IN CITY HALL AND WE BELIEVE THE FRIENDS THAT WE BROUGHT WITH US, BRIAN AND TYLER ARE BOTH FROM ROB SHEPPARD ARCHITECTS. I BELIEVE THEY ARE SOME OF THE BEST THINKERS AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE WANTED TO ADD THEM TO THE TEAM TO HELP WITH THIS PROJECT. AND MIKE RENARD HAS JOINED US WITH SHELTER PLANERS OF AMERICA AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYONE THAT HAS NEAR THE EXPERIENCE OF HIS EXPERTISE IN CREATING ANIMAL SHELTERS. YOU'VE GOT THREE DISTINCT OPPORTUNITIES AND WE FELT WE NEEDED TO BRING A TEAM THAT CAN SPEAK TO EACH OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES. I WILL GIVE YOU A QUICK HIGHLIGHTED PARK HILL. ALMOST 78 YEARS NOW STARTING OUT IN THE WEST TEXAS ROOTS AND GROW TO 13 OFFICES, 500 STAFF WITH OVER 500 FRESH MOLDS, ARCHITECTURES AND ENGINEERS . WHETHER IT'S A POLICE OFFICE, CITY HALL OR PUBLIC WORKS AND TRYING TO GET WATER, WASTEWATER AND SOLID WASTE PICKED UP AND WE HAVE A TEAM OF EXPERTS ALL OF THOSE ARE AT OUR RESOURCES TO HELP MAKE SURE IT IS A SUCCESS.

BRIAN, JUMP APPEAR IN GIVE US THE INTRO.

>> INKS FOR HAVING US. I BRIEFLY WANT TO MENTION WE HAVE A 40 YEAR HISTORY OF WORKING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT PUBLIC SAFETY DESIGN. I'M A SECOND GENERATION OWNER AND AS A FIRM, WE WORK IN A WORLD WHERE SO OFTEN WE FIND THAT THOSE WHO SERVE US ARE IN -- INADEQUATE AND EFFICIENT SPACES AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE SO MISSION DRIVEN THAT THEY ARE LAST OF THE TABLE AND IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING FOR US TO BE A PART OF THIS KIND OF VISION AND IT FITS IN WELL WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IN THAT ORDINARY IS UNINSPIRING. WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS SHOW THAT THE PEOPLE, OFFICERS , THE SWORN AND STAFF THAT WORK IN THE POLICE FACILITY ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND THAT THE VISION YOU HAVE FOR THEM IS EXECUTED.

>> SHELTER PLANERS OF AMERICA IS THE MOST EXPERIENCED ANIMAL SHELTER DESIGN FIRM IN THE NATION . WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 30 YEARS. WE HAVE WORKED WITH OVER 750 DIFFERENT CLIENTS AND THAT IS CITY ELDER CAN OWNED ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITIES BUT ALSO SPCA, HUMANE SOCIETY AND A WIDE VARIETY OF ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES. GLAD TO BE HERE.

>> WE COULD SPEND THE NEXT HOUR PLUS TALK ABOUT THE PRETTY PICTURES BUT I THOUGHT YOU WOULD GET TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THAT PARK HILL IS WORKING WITH EVERYBODY YOU SEE ON THE MAP IN REGARDS TO THEIR CITY HALL OR THE MUNICIPAL TYPE SPACES. LITERALLY COMMUNITIES RIGHT AROUND YOU. CHARLANTA ROYSE CITY WITH HER ME CITY HALL, MCKINNEY'S NEW CITY HALL IS IN CONSTRUCTION AND WE ARE WORKING WITH FRISCO, THE CITY OF DENTON HAS ENGAGED US TO HELP WITH THEIR CONFERENCES MUNICIPAL STUDIES FOR CITY HALL. AND A NUMBER OF COUNTIES, CURRENTLY WORKING WITH ROCKWALL COUNTY AND WE HELPED FINISH THE CONFERENCE OF MASTER PLAN AND LOOKING AT ALL THE FACILITIES .

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>> THIS IS A MAP THAT SHOWS WE ARE DENVER-BASED AND OTHER NICE THING ABOUT DENVER IS WE CAN GET ANYWHERE WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI FAIRLY EASY AND WE DO THAT. ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE ABOUT THE MAP IS TEXAS HAS BEEN GOOD TO OUR FIRM OVER THE YEARS . STARTING IN HOUSTON AND EVEN IN COLLEGE STATION. WE HAVE WORKED IN LANCASTER, DALLAS, MULTIPLE PROJECTS FOR FORT WORTH, WORKING IN LOUISVILLE RIGHT NOW AND FORT WORTH RIGHT NOW. WE REALLY ENJOY COMING SOUTH AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT DOESN'T TELL US WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE TO YOUR PROJECT BUT ALL OF THIS EXPERIENCE IN WORKING ACROSS THE NATION HELPS US KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK. THAT ABILITY TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND KEEP US ON TRACK AND ALLOWS US TO MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THE PROJECT.

>> I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO SHARE A COUPLE OF THE DOTS.

>> THIS I THINK REPRESENTS THE MOST RECENT 300 PLACES THAT I HAVE BEEN. I AM A FREQUENT FLYER SO LOTS OF AIRLINE MILES. I KIND OF COPIED WHAT BRYAN IS SAYING, OUR EXPOSURE TO SHELTERS IN CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK OR ALL OTHER STATES , ANIMAL WELFARE IS NOT AS HOMOGENOUS AS YOU MIGHT THINK.

EACH COMMUNITY REALLY HAS ITS OWN PROFILE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT IS UNIQUE TO THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE THERE.

WE HAVE A VERY IN-DEPTH PROCESS FOR DRYING OUT THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION TO INFORM THE DESIGN THAT WE BRING FORTH FOR

YOUR CITY. >> WE'VE GOT THREE AGENDA ITEMS WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. FIRST, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU HEAR FROM US, THE DESIGN PROCESS . WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OF THE CITY HALL, NOTHING GETS US MORE EXCITED THAN CREATING A BUILDING THAT WILL REPRESENT YOUR COMMUNITY. FOR US IT STARTS WITH CONTEXT. WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF HOMEWORK WE PARTY BEEN DOING. SECOND, THE DESIGN LENDS. WE TRIED OUR BEST TO WALK IN HERE WITH ONE CONCEPT AND WE FAILED, WE'VE GOT THREE. THEY ARE NOT FULLY THOUGHT THROUGH BY ANY MEANS AND WE DID NOT GET INTO THE WEEDS. AS WE STARTED TO LOOK AT YOUR GOALS AND 2018 STRATEGIC PLAN AND VALUES, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT LENSES THAT JUMPED OUT. WE LOOKED AT THIS THREE DIFFERENT WAYS. WILL SHOW YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS OF EACH APPROACH. WE DID NOT GET INTO THE WEEDS OF TELLING YOU THIS IS WHERE YOUR OFFICE WILL BE BUT WE THINK THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE. WE WILL TALK YOU THROUGH ON OUR APPROACH AND LASTLY INTO THE WEEDS AND TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT APPROACH AND DETAILS AND HOW WE ENVISION WORKING WITH YOU STEP-BY-STEP.

THE FIRST PART , THE PART THAT IS ALWAYS MOST EXCITING IS LEARNING MORE ABOUT YOU AND THE COMMUNITY. WE CALL IT YOUR CONTEXT BUT WE STARTED THE DOCTOR HISTORY AND RECORDS AND WHAT WE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT YOUR GREAT COMMUNITY. YOU'VE GOT A WEALTH OF HISTORY THAT WE THINK WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND AS WE START TO CREATE A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. DATING BACK TO DANIEL ROWLETT FOUNDING, HE WAS AND ALLEN INITIALLY AND MADE IT DOWN TO ROWLETT CREEK AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO LEARN ABOUT THE COILS FAMILY. THE IMPACT WITH THE CONSCIENCE AND INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT IT WAS HIS COTTON GIN THAT GOT UP THE STEAM POWER TO BRING ELECTRICITY HERE TO ROWLETT ALL THESE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD BE LEVERAGED TO TELL YOUR STORY WITHIN NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. THE RAILROADS, HIGHWAY COME ALL OF THE COMPONENTS ARE THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE DESIGN PROCESS WILL HELP TO UNCOVER. YOU WILL SEE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF HOW WE TOLD THE STORY OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY THROUGH THEIR SPACE AND HISTORY. WE THINK THERE ARE SOME GREAT THINGS WE COULD DO HERE WITH ROWLETT'S UNIQUE HISTORY. WE DO HAVE A LITTLE FURTHER AND READ THROUGH THE 2018 STRATEGIC PLAN. SOME OF THESE VALUES OVER LOUD -- OVERLAP TO A PARK HILL'S VALUES ARE. THE SERVICE, PEOPLE, INNOVATION AND TRANSPARENCY AND THOSE CAN BECOME FOUNDATION OF HOW TO SHAPE THIS PROJECT AS HE MOVED FORWARD. WE DO HAVE A LITTLE FURTHER LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND WE WILL TELL YOU HOW WE MAY BE THE BEST PART -- FIT FOR YOUR PLAN AND HOW WE CAN HELP ACHIEVE SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES. NOW THE FUN PART. WE CALLED THIS TO DESIGN LANDS AND WE TRIED OUR BEST AND THOUGHT WE WOULD WALK IN WITH ONE GREAT CONCET IN YOU WOULD

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IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE COLORS ARE WHAT YOU SAW, BRIAN HAPPEN TO LIKE IT THEN IT'S PROBABLY MINE TOOK WE WILL KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS. WE STARTED WITH THE SITE. WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH, THE SITE TOPOGRAPHY , PREVAILING WINDS AND ALL THAT GREAT STUFF.

SUSTAINABILITY IS A BIG PART OF WHAT PARK HILL BELIEVES IN.

, LEED ACCREDITED PROFESSIONALS SO WE CAN HELP WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS TO FIGURE WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF SUSTAINABILITY AT THE COMPLEX NEEDS TO HAVE. WE TOOK THREE DIFFERENT APPROACHES THAT RESONATED WITH US TO WHAT MADE THE MOST SENSE THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY FOR YOUR PROJECT.

BOTH JAMES AND I WILL TAGTEAM THROUGH THIS BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE IT SO CRITICAL TO THE DEFINE NOT JUST THE BUILDINGS BUT HOW DOES IT INTERATE BACK INTO THE PARK AND HOW DID THE DISTRICT -- THREE DISTINCT FUNCTIONS, THEY HAVE TO SPEAK AND WORK TOGETHER. WE'VE GOT SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS ON HOW WE THINK THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. ARCHITECTS LIKE TO PLAY WITH WORDS AND NOT JUST PICTURES SO WE CALLED IT THE MAIN STREET APPROACH. THE OASIS AND THE DESTINATION. THAT WAS OFTEN A WORD WE SAW ON YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN, THE DESIRE TO CREATE A DESTINATION FOR LOVE THE IDEA OF THE CULTURAL CHARM . I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS TYPE OF FACILITY AND PROJECT TO CREATE THAT CULTURAL CHARM THAT YOU CAN BE THE PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY. LET ME START WITH THE MAINSTREET CONCEPT. THIS IS PROBABLY SELF-EXPLANATORY. HOW DO WE COME IN HERE AND -- THERE IS THE EXISTING SITE AND WE'VE GOT THE MIXED-USE MULTIFAMILY TO THE EAST, NORTH IS ON THE RIGHT-HAND IMAGE OF THIS. WE HAVE OUTLINED THE SITE AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT AND MAY HAVE TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF LIBERTY IN TAKING OVER THE ETC OFFICE OUTFRONT. IF WE DID THAT, THAT WAS BRIAN'S FAULT. WE TOOK WHAT WE THOUGHT WE UNDERSTOOD THE SITE TO BE. I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH WITH THIS IS AN JAMES WILL GIVE YOU MORE CONCEPT -- CONTEXT. THE PROMINENT FEATURE YOU WOULD SEE SO OFTEN IN ANY COMMUNITY HERE IN NORTH TEXAS FOLLOWED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY A LITTLE FURTHER BACK. ANIMAL SHELTER A LITTLE MORE DETACHED AND WE'VE GOT PARKING STRUCTURES TRYING TO MAXIMIZE AS MUCH SURFACE AREA FOR GREEN AND THOSE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES. WE ARE LOOKING AT PARKING DECKS AS A POSSIBILITY AND THE ACTIVE AND PASSIVE AND YOU WILL SEE THOSE TERMS ON THE CONCEPTS. WITH THAT, JAMES, WALK US THROUGH SOME THINGS.

>> CITY HALL IS THE DRAW INTO THE SITE. ACCESS THROUGH THE SITE AS WELL AS WITH IT BEING THE PARK AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE AND THAT IT TIED EVERYTHING TOGETHER. TRAVELING LEFT TO RIGHT, RIGHT BEHIND CITY HALL AND IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING YOU'VE GOT A LARGE PLAZA WITH LOTS OF GREEN SPACE THAT TIES OVER INTO THE AREA TO THE SOUTH OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING WHERE EMPLOYEES AND STAFF CAN GATHER. WITH A NICE WATER FEATURE , A NICE AREA TO GATHER AND YOU'VE GOT IN EAST-WEST ACCESS POINT COMING IN FROM THE AREA WHERE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS OVER TO THE MAIN STREET THAT RUNS BETWEEN THE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PARK. YOU GET OVER TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER WITH THE DOG PARK , GREEN SPACE AND WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE THE ACTIVE SPACE, THE HARDCOURTS SURFACES AS WELL AS THE PASSIVE SPACES WHICH ARE THE PLAYGROUND, SPLASH PAD AND BACK OVER TO THE RESTROOM, CONCESSION AREA AND ADDITIONAL PARKING AS WELL AS A DRIVE TO THE SOUTH. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS PLENTY OF VEHICULAR ACCESS.

>> CITY HALL ON MAIN STREET MAKES SENSE. OPPORTUNITY AND CHALLENGE ON THIS SIDE AS IT IS AN AREA WORST -- THE NARROWEST SIDE. WE'VE GOT THE EASY ACCESS IN AND OUT FOR CITIZENS WHO NEED TO COME FOR ONE OF THE PUBLIC SERVICES BUT YOU'VE ALSO GOT THAT BACK DOOR OR SECOND FRONT DOOR THAT FACES BACK THAT LEADS DOWN TO THE MEMORIAL PLAZA. GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO STILL PUT CITY HALL CLOSE TO MAINSTREET BUT IT DOES PRESENT CHALLENGES WITH THE EGRESS AND INGRESS ESPECIALLY FOR PARKING WE TALKED THROUGH THE PUBLIC

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YOU SEE SOME FURTHER ENTOURAGE IN THE BACK BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY THAT WE THINK IT COULD SPEAK TO A MORE CLASSICAL APPROACH TO DESIGN FOR A CITY HALL. A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT CITY HALLS. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, THIS IS FRISCO CITY HALL, BUILT LESS THAN 20 YEARS AGO AND WE ARE ALREADY RENOVATING IT . I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE THINGS FOR YOUR STRATEGIC GOALS, YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS OR GOALS THAT YOU WANT TO BE VERY MUCH IN PLACE WITH ORGANIZATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND CAPACITY COMBINED WITH THE THINGS THAT WE KEEP HERE IN CITY HALL AND WE WANT TO RETAIN THE BEST TALENT WE CAN SO THE WORKPLACE OF CITY HALL DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT USED TO EVEN 20 YEARS AGO. IT'S GOT A GREAT EXTERIOR SPACE THAT YOU COULD SEE A SLIGHTLY IN THIS EVENT THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY COME BACK TO US AND SAID, WE NEED YOU TO HELP US REIMAGINE WHAT COULD CITY HALL BE FOR THE WORKFORCE THERE ARE FIVE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. FIRST, AMENITIES. IT'S HARD TO RECRUIT PEOPLE NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE NOW WE SEE THE WORKFORCE OF THE FUTURE, WHETHER YOUR FORTUNE 500 OR A CITY LOOKING TO RETAIN THE BEST STAFF HOW TO WE PROVIDE AMENITIES WITH CITY HALL? WELLNESS IS A TREMENDOUS ASPECT. NOT ONLY WITH STAFF BUT WITH THOSE FOLKS THAT WILL BE ENGAGING WITHIN THE BUILDING. PRIVACY, WORKLIFE BALANCE IS CHANGED POST-PANDEMIC. HOW DO WE PROVIDE FOR THOSE PLACES AND SPACES FROM A PRIVACY AND WELL-BEING BUT ALSO PERSONAL WELL-BEING OF OUR EMPLOYEE AND STAFF. THE IDEA OF COMMUNITY WE SEE CONSISTENTLY AND HOW DOES THE CITY HALL GIVE US PLACES WITHIN AND PLACES WITHOUT TO ENGAGE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IT'S NOT ONLY BEEN 20 YEARS BUT WE'RE RENOVATING HOW DO WE PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY . SOME THINGS YOU SEE HERE WITH THE CITY OF FRISCO, RENOVATING THE ENTIRE FACILITY AND PROVIDING THOSE FIVE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AS A GUIDE WORKING FRAMEWORK. SEE SOME IMAGES OF THE NEW PLAZA SPACE WITH THE NEW FRONT DOOR SPACES TO PROVIDE A MORE WELCOMING FRONT DOOR AND A PLACE TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC. THE OTHER THING WE HAVE DONE IN TAP WITH THE CITIES IS WHAT I CALL WORKPLACE STRATEGY. WE HAVE CITIES LIKE THE CITY OF MCKINNEY WHO'S LOOKING AT COMPLETELY BOLD THOUGHTS AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE A WORKPLACE STRATEGY? ETA 55 DAYS A WEEK OR FLEX SCHEDULES AND HOW DOES IT EVOLVE TO RETAIN THE BEST WORKFORCE POSSIBLE? THE PROCESS WILL BE MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE INTENT FOR DELIVERING WORKPLACE FOR YOUR STAFF. THAT ALSO MEANS THERE IS A SHIFT. IMAGE ON THE LEFT REPRESENTS THE PRE-FRISCO AND THAT THE TRADITIONAL OFFICE WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE CITIES OR CORPORATE AMERICA AND THERE USED TO BE A LOT OF BLUE OFFICES ON THE LEFT, FIXED OFFICES, A COUPLE OF WORKSTATIONS AND A COUPLE OF OFFICES. WHAT WE SEE NOW IS ON THE RIGHT. THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE BUT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIGURATION. VIEW ARIN FEWER HARD WHILE OFFICES, SAY MEN OF TOP WORKSPACES BUT MORE COLLABORATION SPACE. CAN WE HAVE FLEXIBLE CONFERENCE ROOMS AND MEETING ROOMS AND PLACES TO ENGAGE THAT SPUR ON CONVERSATIONS. YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THE IMAGERY OF MCKINNEY ON HOW WE COLLECT -- CONNECTORS LEVELS. WE BELIEVE GREAT DESIGNS START WITH GREAT DATA WE GO THROUGH PURE ANALYSIS AND OF THE QUICK SNAPSHOT OF THE WORK WE RECENTLY COMPLETED A TARRANT COUNTY AND DID THE SAME THING HERE IN ROCKWALL COUNTY. WE WILL HELP YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BASELINE AND IN THIS EXAMPLE FOR TARRANT COUNTY, STRIVING TO SEE EVERY COUNTY ACROSS TEXAS FALLS IN A VERY SIMILAR TRENDLINE AS IT RELATES TO POPULATION. WE CAN START TO SHOW YOU AS ROWLETT COMPARED TO ITS PEERS, WHERE DO YOU FALL IN THAT. FOR TARRANT COUNTY IT HELPS US DIVE DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND HELP YOU SEE HOW MANY FTES SHOULD WE HAVE FOR ACCOUNTING, CITY MANAGERS OFFICE, PUBLIC WORKS, YOU NAME IT, WE'VE GOT THE DATA AND RESEARCH TO HELP

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WE TOOK YOU IN THE RED AND COMPARED IT TO A SUBSET OF CITIES. YOU MAY SAY THESE ARE YOUR PEERS OR YOU MAY NOT AND HELPS IDENTIFY WHO YOU THINK ARE THE PURE COMMUNITIES . UP UNTIL 2021, YOU ARE SLIGHTLY BELOW THE TRENDLINE OF WHAT YOUR PEERS ARE IN FTE. FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS YOU HAVE SLIGHTLY GOT ABOVE IT. WE WANT TO DIVE INTO IF WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN CITIZENS ASK HOW CAN WE DELIVER THIS KIND OF SPACE WE HAVE A GOOD ANSWER. WE CAN SHOW BASED ON YOUR PEERS AND YOUR STYLE OF GOVERNMENT AND HER WORKFORCE THAT THIS IS THE REASON WE NEED THIS AMOUNT OF SPACE. CONCEPT NUMBER 2, WE CALLED IT THE OASIS CONCEPT. WHAT IS THE OASIS CONCEPT ? NORTH IS THERE TO THE LEFT OF THE IMAGE AND WE SAID, WE NEED SOMETHING THAT WILL ENGAGE OFTEN MAINSTREET BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE A BIGGER PART OF THE SITE FOR MORE FACILITIES GIVEN THE SIZES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE'VE GOT CITY HALL A LITTLE BIT OFF OF MAIN STREET. PUBLIC SAFETY ADJACENT TO IT AND THEN THE ANIMAL SHELTER HERE STILL BACK ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOLLOWED WITH SURFACE PARKING AND PARKING DECKS ALONG WITH PARKING THROUGH THE NEW STREET THAT'S BEEN CREATED THROUGH THE SITE AND ALSO TRYING TO REALLY ACTIVATE THE SITE AND WE FELT LIKE ONE OF THE BEST WAYS WE CAN ACTIVATE IT IS THROUGH THE OUTDOOR VIDEO AND LOOKING AT IT RIGHT ON MAIN STREET AND WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH ABRAMS STREET. THIS APPROACH TRIES TO PULL YOU IN THROUGH THE PARK AND LET'S EXPERIENCE THE SPACES AND LOOK TO CONTINUE INTO THE PARK WITH THE NEW ROADWAY CREATING A DISTINCT ACTIVE VERSUS PASSIVE.

>> THE DRAW IN BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT FRINGE ALONG MAIN STREET IS MEETING TO GET PEOPLE IN TO THE SIDE AND WE CREATED A PARK LIKE ROAD WITH THE BIG CURVE SWEEPING NORTH TO SOUTH, ACCESS ROAD THE CITY HALL IS OFF OF CREATING A GREEN SPACE FROM MAIN STREET ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY WHERE WE CAN HAVE CIVIC EVENTS BEHIND THE OUTDOOR VENUE AND CREATE THOSE ART PARKS IN THE MASTER PLAN AND THE GREEN SPACE ONCE AGAIN, CIVIC PLAZA BEHIND IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, HARD SCAPE TO HAVE EVENTS AND GETTING DOWN TO THE PASSIVE PIECES TO THE SOUTH OF THE PLAYGROUND WITH THE SPLASH PAD AND HAVE AN ACTIVE SIDE ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE WE HAVE A HARD SCAPE CORDS AND PLACE THEM ANIMAL SHELTER DOWN TO THE SOUTH WITH THE DOG PARKS ADJACENT TO THAT.

>> WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND HOW WE WOULD ENVISION HELPING YOU WITH THAT PORTION. THIS IS SOME DESIGN THAT WE THINK COULD REPRESENT THIS. WE DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY. YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU COULD GO MUCH MORE MODERN AND INTERPRETATION OF CITY HALL BUT HERE AGAIN, ANY OF THESE CONCEPTS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT. IT WILL GIVE YOU IDEAS OF WHAT IS THE PARKLIKE EXPERIENCE.

>> WE WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS AND IN ALL OF THESE IDEAS AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDINGS COULD LOOK LIKE , SCALE AND PROPORTION AND ACTUALLY WINDOWS BECOME REALLY IMPORTANT. WE DON'T WANT THE THAT TO SCARE ANYONE WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PD BUILDING AND THIS ROOM IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. WE CAN HAVE WINDOWS TO GET DAYLIGHT BUT ALSO HAVE A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WORK AND FOR EVERYONE TO FEEL SAFE . IT IS JUST BEING SMART ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS ON A VERY SIMPLE WAY THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT MODERN FORMS AND WE THINK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND LEVERAGING TECH KNOWLEDGE HE TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS IF WE GET BACK TO THE BASICS, TALKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY IN A WAY WHERE MY HERITAGE IS ACTUALLY FARMING AND THAT IS WHAT MY GRANDFATHERS DID AND SO, HOW THEY ACTUALLY PUT THE HOUSE ON THE LAND AND WHERE THE WINDOWS WERE AND WHERE GRANDMA WANTED THE TREES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE IMPORTANT AND SO IT IS THOSE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD AND THAT KIND OF THINKING APPLIES HERE WHEN YOU SEE THE STEPS BECAUSE THE STEPS EASILY BECOME A SECURITY

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WE GO THROUGH. >> FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WORK. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN PUBLIC SAFETY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY MUNICIPALITY IS DIFFERENT AND EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DIFFERENT AND EVERY FIRE DEPARTMENT IS DIFFERENT AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN UNIQUE PERSONALITY. WE LIKE TO THINK THAT OUR EXPERIENCE DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS. WE CAN ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND WE WORK WITH YOU AND TOGETHER WE COME UP WITH THE RIGHT SOLUTION THAT

IS UNIQUELY ROWLETT. >> WE WANT TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE THINGS. THIS IS COMPLEX AND THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE THIS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT MISSING ANYTHING. SAFE, ACCESSIBLE, FUNCTIONAL AND EFFICIENT AND WE WANT THAT FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL UNIQUE . FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SAFETY IS CRITICAL AND SINCE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS PART OF THIS, IT APPLIES TO ALL CITY STAFF. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND OTHERS WOULD FRAME IT AS A CHALLENGE AND WE KEEP FOCUSING ON THAT , THE LENSES FOR THE DESIGN AND HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THEIR CUSTOMERS AND A LOT OF THE CUSTOMERS ARE NOT PARTICULARLY HAPPY WHEN THEY COME SO EVEN MAKING PARKING EASY FOR THEM CAN CALM THE SITUATION BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A SITUATION AND SPECIFICALLY INSIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE IDEA OF EFFICIENCY, GETTING OFFICERS IN, BRIEFED AND OUT OF THE CITY WHERE THEY BELONG WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO THE COMMUNITY POLICING AND ENHANCE THOSE

RELATIONSHIPS. >> THESE ARE THE PRINCIPLES OF PUBLIC SAFETY DESIGN. WE USE THESE AS GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR ALL THE MUNICIPAL PROJECTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS. I WILL NOT GO INTO DETAIL ON ALL OF THEM AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE ALL DAY BUT I WILL JUST HIGHLIGHT A FEW. THE IDEA OF REFUGE, THIS IS THINKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR EVERYONE ON THE SITE, BUILDING USERS AND VISITORS.

IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AND APPLIES TO THE SITE AND FACILITY. WELLNESS, THIS IS PHYSICAL WELLNESS, PSYCHOLOGICAL WELLNESS AND THINKING ABOUT HEALTHY IN AND HEALTHY OUT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THIS IS PROGRAM SPACES LIKE FITNESS ROOMS, DECOMPRESSION ROOMS, TRAINING AREAS AND ALL OF THOSE IMPORTANT PROGRAM ELEMENTS AND THE COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY AS A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY COMPONENT IS INCREASINGLY MORE IMPORTANT AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE ARCHITECTURE CAN AND THE ENVIRONMENT CAN ENHANCE AND FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AND CREATE TRUST, ESPECIALLY IF ARCHITECTURE COMMUNICATES VALUES LIKE

INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENCY. >> AND HERE IS A RECENT EXAMPLE IS THE PROJECT IS IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AND WE WERE BROUGHT IN ON THE DESIGN TEAM WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND THIS IS IN LOUISVILLE.

SIMILARLY COMPLEX, PD, FD ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATIONAL FIRE STATION AND THEN ALL OF THE PD OPERATIONS HOUSED HERE.

WHAT MAKES THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOUR PROJECT IS WE HAD TO MOVE THEM OUT OF THEIR EXISTING FACILITY AND TEMPORARY FACILITIES, DEMOED THE SITE AND REBUILD. YEARS HAS ADDITIONAL COMPLEXITY , IT IS JUST DIFFERENT THAN THAT BUT WHAT YOU SEE HERE, I WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE BOTTOM TWO IMAGES AND THE ONE ON THE INSIDE IS HOW YOU CAN DO AN OPEN AND INVITING LOBBY. IT WOULD ALSO BE SECURE FOR EVERYONE THAT WORKS IN THE BUILDING. THE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT IS A SECURE OUTDOOR COURTYARD SO THESE

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OF THE OFFICERS AND STAFF. >> LAST CONCEPT, DESTINATION CONCEPT AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE BEST MAXIMIZE THE ACREAGE. THIS APPROACH STARTED TO RESONATE. THIS IS A LITTLE MORE AND MAYBE EVEN OUTSIDE THE BOX AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN JAMES PROBABLY DID THIS ONE. WE LOOKED AT THE SITE AGAIN, WHAT ELSE COULD YOU DO WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY. THE THOUGHT CAME TO US, WHAT IF WE CREATED A DESTINATION AND WHAT IF THIS FACILITY AND GROUPS OF FACILITIES GAVE YOU A PLACE TO PUT YOU ON THE MAP, ONE OF YOUR STRATEGIC GOALS WAS TO BE A DESTINATION CENTER AND WHAT IF THIS IS THE CATALYST FOR DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN THAT CREATES THIS DESTINATION CENTER , TAKING CITY HALL AND LETTING THAT BE THE FOCAL POINT AND SURROUNDED BY PUBLIC SAFETY AND MORE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, MORE ADMIN AND CITY HALL AND CITY ADMINISTRATION FUNCTIONS ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE LIGHT BLUE REPRESENTS THE PUBLIC -TYPE SPACES. THE COMMUNITY COULD ALSO ENGAGE IN ON THE HEART OF THIS NEW PROMENADE THAT JAMES CAN SPEAK TO. AT THE FAR END IS ANIMAL SHELTER AS WELL AS A PARKING DECK FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING WHEN NEEDED AND WITHOUT THE PARK COMPONENTS AND THE GREEN SPACE OUT FRONT THAT TIES US BACK INTO MAIN STREET BUT YOU ALSO NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR RETAIL. THAT'S PART OF YOUR ECONOMIC GOALS TO CREATE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. WE STUDIED THE OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY AS THEY LOOKED AT THAT. OUR TEAM IS PREPARED TO HELP YOU WALK THROUGH THAT SIMILAR PROCESS AND IS THERE A P 3 STRATEGY FOR ROWLETT TO MAKE IT A FUNDING MECHANISM OR AN OPPORTUNITY IF NOT NOW THEN IN THE FUTURE AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DANGEROUS, WE NOTICE THERE'S A PROPERTY FOR SALE BUT IT COULD BECOME A GREAT GATEWAY TO FRAME OUT THE FUTURE EVENT CENTER WITH A SIMILAR TYPE OF RETAIL. JAMES, TALK US

THROUGH MORE OF THAT. >> THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE THE STRONG NORTH-SOUTH ACCESS WITH CITY HALL AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING BE IN THE PUB BUT -- MAIN FEATURE OF THAT. ON THE NORTH SIDE TO THE FRONT OF CITY HALL YOU'VE GOT THIS GREAT CIVIC LAWN WHERE YOU COULD HAVE ART SHOWS AND VARIOUS CIVIC EVENTS AND TO THE SOUTH SIDE AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGH FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, SEE-THROUGH CITY HALL TO THE EVENT LAWN THAT CAN BE USED FOR MULTIPLE THINGS AND CONTINUING TO THE SPLASH PAD BEING MORE OF THE PLAZA TYPE FEATURE WITH THE GREAT PAVILION AT THE END WITH PLAYGROUNDS AND ANOTHER OPEN LAWN ON EITHER SIDE AND THEN YOUR ACTIVE PART IN ANIMAL SHELTER AND ACCESS THROUGH THE SITE AND CREATING EAST-WEST ACCESS THROUGHOUT ON THE SOUTH END AND TWO INTERIOR ROUTES AS WELL AS NORTH-SOUTH ACCESS ON

EITHER SIDE. >> WE SHOWED THIS TO MIKE AND THIS WAS HIS FAVORITE AND HE SAID DOGS LIKE TO BARK AND RESIDENCE WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITH ANIMAL SHELTER NEXT TO THEIR HOME . AND JAMES REMINDED ME THAT RESIDENCE ALSO DO NOT LIKE PICKLEBALL AND WE ARE SHOWING THAT ACTIVE PARK.

NEITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE BEST PLACEMENT WITH ALL THE CONCEPTS WE FEEL LIKE THESE ARE PARTS THAT NEED YOUR INPUT TO TELL US WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE TRY TO BLEND AND WE SAID WE SHOWED YOU A MORE TRADITIONAL CITY HALL AND A MUCH MORE MODERN CITY HALL AND WE THINK THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO BLEND IT TO MAKE IT A SHOWPIECE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE TIMELESS AS A COMMUNICATES VALUES OF ROWLETT. A COUPLE THINGS THAT HELPED US GET TO THE CONCEPT IS THINGS WE WERE THINKING ABOUT AND WERE DIFFERENT CASE STUDIES FOR THE TOWN OF SOUTHLAKE, IF YOU START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD THE FRONT PLAZA LOOK LIKE WITH RETAIL MIXED IN AND FELT LIKE IS IN A GOOD JOB OF ACTIVATING THE SITE AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CASE STUDIES AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE DESTINATION CONCEPT. THE OTHER WAS THE CASE STUDY FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY WHICH IS THE PEARL DISTRICT IN SAN ANTONIO. A COMPLETE DIFFERENT MIX OF FUNCTIONS , IT'S GOT A HOTEL, FOOD HALL, SPLASH PAD BUT IT WAS REALLY MEANT TO ACTIVATE THE FIGHT.

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AT THE SAME TIME WE'VE GOT OPPORTUNITIES INSIDE THE BUILDING TO SHOWCASE HISTORIC PHOTOS THAT CREATES TEXTURE AND ALSO THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TALKED ON IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT OF HOW DO WE INTEGRATE STAFF ALONG WITH CITIZENS. FOR US IN THIS BUILDING BEING A MULTISTORY SOLUTION IS WHAT WE ENVISIONED HERE ROWLETT AND GIVEN YOUR SPACE CONSTRAINTS , THAT'S VERTICAL CIRCULATION AND IT BECOMES THAT PLACE WHERE CITY STAFF INTERSECTS WITH CITIZENS AND YOU CAN PROVIDE A SAFE WORKING PLACE FOR STAFF BUT STILL APPROACHABLE DESTINATION.

THAT VERTICAL CIRCULATION CORE ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MEETING ROOMS AND CONFERENCE ROOMS ACCESSIBLE FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC SIDE AND CITY SIDE. TO MAKE SURE IT'S A GREAT ENVIRONMENT FOR CITY STAFF AND COMMUNITY. LAST THING AS ARE STARTING TO SEE OUR THOUGHTS, WHAT MAKES A GREAT PLACE AND GIVES YOU A GREAT SENSE OF PLACE. FOR SOME YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING. YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT BUT WE ARE FINDING MORE AND MORE THE CITIES ARE USING IT AS A PLACE FOR CATALYST WITH DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ARE A GREAT PLACE TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY. HERE IS A COUPLE THINGS JAMES WOULD TELL YOU.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WITH MCKINNEY THAT WE WENT THROUGH, NOT JUST AN 8 TO 5 BUILDING ANY MORE. THE MORNING PICK ME UP, A PLACE TO GO WORKOUT, BITE TO EAT AND A SPACE TO GET AWAY BEFORE YOU HOP INTO THE OFFICE. THE POWER LUNCH , THE ABILITY TO GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY GAMES OR FIND A PLACE TO WALK TO AND EAT. GO TO THE DOG PARK OR JUST TAKE A WALK THROUGH THE PARK AND THEN THE EVENING STROLL OR PLACE TO GET DRINKS AND DINNER OR GO SEE A CONCERT.

>> PARTICULAR THE LAST CONCEPT FOR THE DESTINATION, THAT'S THE EVENT CENTER AND THE PLACE THAT ON MONDAY NIGHTS AT 6:00 IT'S TOWNHALL , COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR SATURDAY NIGHT IT MIGHT BE A CONCERT OR AN ART SHOW OR ALL SORTS OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU CAN LET THE SPACE SPEAK TO YOUR COMMUNITY . YOU SAW THREE DIFFERENT DESIGN CONCEPTS , WE DID NOT GET INTO THE WEEDS AND WE THINK BIG PICTURE IS WHERE YOU NEED TO START GIVEN THE UNIQUE ASPECTS. GOT THREE DISTINCT APPROACHES, MAIN STREET, OASIS AND DESTINATION.

WANT TO ASK YOU THIS MIKE WE WOULD LOVE ANY COMMENTS. WITH GOT ONE MORE SECTION TO COVER BUT IT'S A PROJECT APPROACH , YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THAT THERE HOW WE'VE ANSWERED THIS BUT WOULD LOVE TO PAUSE AND LET YOU GUYS FIRE AWAY ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. HOW CAN WE HELP

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? >> COUNSEL WEEK COUNCILMEMBER

SCHUPP? >> THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT IN THE PRESENTATION, WE APPRECIATED. I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I'M NOT AN

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>> I THINK THERE IS TWO THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND WITH THAT, THERE IS USABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, NET SQUARE FOOTAGE AND YOUR GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR NET SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE OFFICE, CONFERENCE ROOM AND OF THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE LIKELY.

WHAT WILL CHANGE IS THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE AROUND IT, CIRCULATION SPACES , THERE'S PROBABLY SOME EFFICIENCIES IN ONE CONCEPT VERSUS THE OTHER AND WE COULD STUDY WITH YOU AND SHOW YOU WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE EITHER PLAN TOGETHER OR PULLED APART BUT FUNCTIONALLY YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE SAME AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE SEE MORE AND MORE WHEN IT'S COMBINED AND SOMETIMES WE CAN GET SHARED EFFICIENCIES.

WE DID AN IN-DEPTH STUDY ON THE CITY OF FRISCO LOOKING AT ALL THE MEETINGS THAT TOOK PLACE BETWEEN THE CITY, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT A JOINT TRAINING FACILITY AND HOW MUCH TRAINING SPACED YOU REALLY MEAN? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OVERLAP WHEN THE THREE EVENTS HAPPEN SO THERE HAS THIS MIKE STARTS TO BE SHARED SPACES SO THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO SAVE SOME SQUARE FOOT.

>> THE SHELTER PLANNERS, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE DONE A LOT AROUND THE COUNTRY, HAVE YOU AS A COMPANY WORKED WITH THE SHELTER PLANNERS BEFORE AND IS A PARTNER YOU'VE USED BEFORE

OR ARE THEY NEW? >> OUR TWO COMPANIES HAVE

WORKED TOGETHER ON THAT. >> I HAVE 50 QUESTIONS BUT I

WILL STOP WITH THAT. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM

WINGET? >> YOU MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY BUT I'M CURIOUS WHAT TYPES OF THINGS HE PRIORITIZE WHEN CONSIDERING DESIGN FEATURES FOR

SUSTAINABILITY. >> BEFORE WORKING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO MAKE A LEAD ACCREDITED FACILITY THE MINIMUM SO WE WILL ASK YOU, ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE LEAD, WELL-BEING OR ANY OTHER ACCREDITATION SYSTEM OR IS IT WE JUST WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS BECAUSE BOTH OF THOSE CAN TAKE A STAND DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. WE ARE DOING FIRE STATIONS RIGHT NOW AND THE FIRE CHIEF WOULD SAY IT'S CAUSING ME HEADACHES BECAUSE THE LIGHTS TURNED OFF AND ON SO THERE IS PRACTICAL WAYS WE COULD DEVELOP SUSTAINABILITY FIRST AND FOREMOST WHEN YOU YOUR BIG GUEST EXPENSES BECOMES THE MECHANICAL . HOW DO WE LOOK AT GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THAT THAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE LEVERAGED , SIMPLE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDINGS AS YOU START TO SEE HOW DO WE MINIMIZE THE HEAT ON THE WEST AND MAXIMIZE MORE DAYLIGHT ON THE NORTH. SOME OTHER STRATEGIES THAT WE LEARNED BACK ON THE FARM IN KANSAS AND THIS IS JUST GOOD DESIGN. IT DOESN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF ROCKET SCIENCE TO FIGURE OUT THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO FACILITATE THE SITING OF THE BUILDINGS FOR THE SYSTOLE AND ABILITY GOALS. -- SUSTAINABILITY GOALS. WHEN ARCHITECTURE WROTE THE LEAD GREEN CODE SO WE COULD GET DEEP INTO THE WEEDS TALKING ABOUT STRATEGIES THAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WE CAN ALSO BE PRACTICAL AS MCKINNEY SAID WE WANTED TO BE SUSTAINABLE BUT ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A PLAQUE

ON THE WALL. >> ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT WORKING WITH PARK HILL IS THE COMPREHENSIVE AND HOLISTIC EXPERTISE THEY HAVE IN-HOUSE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT RARE AND I'VE GOT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND SAY, THERE IS WAYS TO LEVERAGE EVERYTHING THAT SCOTT IS TALKING ABOUT BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT HAS TO BE OUTSOURCED BECAUSE HE PICKS UP THE PHONE OR GOES DOWN THE HALL SO WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIGH-PERFORMANCE BUILDINGS, TALKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND LONGEVITY AND WE'VE GOT TO MARRY THAT TO A BUDGET. I THINK PARK HILL IS UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO BE ABLE TO WALK YOU THROUGH ALL OF THAT. IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> I WOULD TELL YOU FROM PARK HILL THAT WE LOVE WHAT WE DO.

OUR WHOLE MISSION IS BUILDING COMMUNITY. WE ARE NOT WORRIED

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>> MY SECOND QUESTION IS A LITTLE MORE SQUISHY AND LESS ACADEMIC, WHITNEY MAKES YOUR FIRM UNIQUE QUIZ FOR OUR COMMUNITY. OUR WHOLE BUSINESS STARTED 80 YEARS AGO WITH THREE GUYS THAT CAME OUT OF WORLD WAR II WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WE STARTED AS A GROUP OF CIVIL ENGINEERS, HAD WE GET WATER IN AND OUT OF WEST TEXAS AND NOW WE PROVIDE FOR CITY HALLS, SCHOOLS, HEALTHCARE, YOU NAME IT, WE'VE HAD TO GROW THE BUSINESS TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. ARE SO FOCUSES HOW TO BE A GREAT STEWART -- STEWARD.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM SHINDER? >> THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT .

I LIKE HAVING OPTIONS AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU PRESENTED US WITH THREE OPTIONS. IT DOES COMPLICATE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE. I WAS WONDERING, YOU HAD DIFFERENT PEOPLE PRESENTING THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND DEPENDING UPON WHICH OPTION WE DECIDED TO GO WITH, ASSUMING WE DECIDE TO GO WITH YOUR FIRM, WOULD THERE BE THE SAME TEAMS WORKING ON IT

REGARDLESS OR DIFFERENT TEAMS? >> THIS IS THE TEAM. WE BRING OUR DIFFERENT EXPERTISE WHETHER IT'S PARK HILL WITH CITY HALLS OR WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OR MIKE WITH THE SHELTER PLANNERS OF AMERICA. I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF HE SAID WE LIKE CONCEPT B AND LET'S GO WITH THAT. WE THINK THIS IS JUST A STARTING PLACE TO GET YOU THINKING AND WE IMAGINE A PRETTY INTENSIVE ENGAGEMENT PERIOD TO REALLY COME UP WITH THE RIGHT IDEAS.

>> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THESE ARE SET IN STONE KIND OF CONCEPTS OR WHETHER YOU COULD COMBINE PIECES AND PARTS FROM ONE CONCEPT TO THE OTHER.

>> THERE'S PROBABLY COMPONENTS OF EACH OF THESE THAT SOME OF YOU REALLY LIKE. AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE YOUR INPUT SO WE WOULD ENVISION THIS AS A STARTING PLACE. WE ENVISION ABOUT A TWO DAY INTENSIVE DESIGN, WORKING WITH YOU SHOWING IDEAS AND DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT RISES TO THE TOP. IF YOU LOOK IN THE DESIGN FOLDER THIS IS A, B AND C AND WE WILL KEEP GOING UNTIL WE GET TO THE RIGHT CONCEPT.

>> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO TOUR SOME OF THE FACILITIES?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> COUNCILMEMBER REAVES ?

>> I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT ON WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT AND I THINK THAT IS A MAJOR FACTOR HER. A QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS , YOU KIND OF ANSWERED IT A LITTLE BIT BUT TELL ME ABOUT THE PROCESS OF ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. THAT IS THE FIRST PART AND THE SECOND PART IS, TELL ME A SURPRISING OR UNEXPECTED RESULT OF QUESTIONS YOU ASKED I CAME TO A

SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME? >> I THINK FOR US AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS A LEGACY PROJECT. NOTHING AGAINST FIRE STATIONS BUT YOU WILL PROBABLY DO MULTIPLE FIRE STATIONS THROUGH YOUR TENURE AND CHANCES ARE THIS WILL BE THE ONLY CITY HALL. IT NEEDS TO START WITH THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS AND TEST THE THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS WILL NO LONGER BE HOUSE BIG SHOULD BE. IT HAS TO PROVIDE A GREAT WORKPLACE FOR THE STAFF AND THE PLACE THAT CITIZENS FEEL SAFE BUT WHAT IS THE BIG PICTURE AND TRANSFORMATIONAL APPROACH. THAT IS THE QUESTION WE SPEND OUR TIME GOING IS THIS A CATALYST FOR DEVELOPMENT? YOU'RE A LITTLE DISJOINTED NOW WITH DOWN 10 OVER HERE, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WITH SOME DEVELOPMENT TOWARD GEORGE BUSH . HOW DOES IT BECOME A CATALYST THAT MAY FURTHER REVITALIZE OR ENERGIZE THE EAST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN . I THINK WE WILL SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME TALKING THROUGH THE ASPIRATIONAL GOALS, COMBINED WITH THE HISTORICAL ASPECT AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DON'T LEVERAGE YOUR HISTORY. THERE WILL BE A GIVE AND TAKE WITH US TRYING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY WE WANT TO CELEBRATE AND IT CREATES A FABRIC OR FRAMEWORK AS WE MOVE FORWARD THE QUESTIONING OF THE DESIGN PROJECT WE WILL USE MIRROR BOARDS, ONLINE COLLABORATION TOOLS, WE ARE DOING THAT WITH MANSFIELD AND THEY ARE LOVING IT BECAUSE THEY COULD GET IT PICTURE AND ADDED TO THE BOARD AND TALK TO US ABOUT WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS. WE WILL USE

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IT'S THAT TYPE OF LEVERAGING THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH DIGITAL TECHNOLOGIES TO DRIVE US TO THE BEST DECISIONS. YOU ASKED THE QUESTIONS -- A QUESTION ON WHAT WAS --

>> THE THING ABOUT YOU THINK ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER AND TRAINING IS CRITICAL SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THE TRAINING BUT A LOT OF THE TRAINING IS ABOUT HUMAN INTERACTIONS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEIR INTERACTIONS ARE WITH PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE FORTHRIGHT ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF CYNICISM. WE ARE ABLE TO GO IN AND ASK QUESTIONS TO GET BEYOND THAT AND ACTUALLY GET THEM TO THINK, NOT ABOUT HOW THEY ARE DOING IT NOW BUT WHAT WOULD BE BEST FOR YOU AND THE WAY THAT ROWLETT POLICES. THAT TIES INTO , WE WERE WORKING IN NORTH DAKOTA WHICH IS NOT EVEN ON AN INTERSTATE BUT IT IS A MAJOR CITY. THEY MADE THE NEWS OVER THE YEARS FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS. WE WERE TALKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT WAS FOR THEM. ONE OF THE RECORDS CLERKS SAID YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD MAKE THE BIG DIFFERENCE RISES IF YOU TAKE CARE BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD KNOW OUR KIDS ARE SAFE WHILE WE ARE DOING THIS JOB AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS UP HARD-TO-FIND . WE INCLUDED AS PART OF THEIR MASTER PLAN A CITY DAY CARE.

THAT IS WHAT COMES TO MIND WHEN YOU SAY AND EXPECT DID BECAUSE WE WERE SITTING IN THE ROOM AND SAID THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. THAT IS ONE EXAMPLE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW LONG DOES THE DESIGN PROCESS TYPICALLY TAKE FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SCOPE AND ALSO, HOW FAR DO CITIES TYPICALLY GO IN ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY ON A

PROCESS LIKE THIS WE >> GREAT QUESTION. I'VE GOT A SLIGHT HERE THAT MAY GIVE YOU MORE CONCEPT. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT BETWEEN OUR COMBINED RESOURCES OF THE COMPANIES E -- YOU SEE HERE, OFTEN TIMES WHAT SLOWS DOWN PROJECTS IS THE DECISION-MAKING AND NOT THAT YOU CANNOT MAKE DECISIONS BUT THERE IS A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE. IF HE TOLD ME WE HAVE TO BE HERE BY THE END OF 2026, THAT'S ACHIEVABLE BUT AGGRESSIVE. IF YOU TOLD ME 2025 I WOULD GO, MAYBE A PORTION OF THIS WE WILL HAVE READY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE CHALLENGING IS A LOT OF SITES ACTIVATED, UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. IT MAY BE A PHASED APPROACH TO SAY WE CAN GET CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THIS READY BY THE END OF 25, SOMETIME IN 2026 BUT MOST CITIES, THIS IS A GOOD THREE YEAR PLUS PROCESS. WITH THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WE CALL IT DISCOVER DEFINED DESIGN DELIVERED AND THE FIRST DISCOVERY GOING THROUGH THE QUESTIONING AND UNDERSTANDING WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND IT HELPS US DEFINE WHERE WE ARE GOING. AND SCOPE TO BUDGET, YOU'VE GOT A $70 MILLION BUDGET AND YOU PROBABLY RECOGNIZE YOU'VE GOT MORE SCOPE THAN WHAT THE BUDGET ALLOWS AT THE MOMENT SO HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE AND PUT IT INTO PLACE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GROW INTO IT AS YOU NEED IT UNLESS YOU SAY WE'VE GOT MORE BONDS WE HAVE NOT SOLD AND WE ARE GOOD TO GO AND THEN THAT IS EVEN GREAT NEWS. OFTEN TIMES WE ARE COMING IN USING FEASIBILITY STUDIES DONE PREVIOUSLY AND GOING, WHAT HAS CHANGED? YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS PRE-PANDEMIC AND NOW WE ARE POST-PANDEMIC , CONSTRUCTION HAS GONE CRAZY AND WE WILL TALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO THE RISE SIZE.

THE MOST DANGEROUS THING AND ARCHITECT DOES AS WE SHOW YOU PRETTY PICTURE, T YOU EXCITED AND THEN WE TELL YOU

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>> HAVE YOU SEEN OTHER CITIES DEVELOP RETAIL SPACE AS PART OF

PROJECT LIKE THIS? >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WITH FRISCO. THEIR BOTTOM FLOOR, LIBRARY IS MOVING OUT AND IT IS FREED UP SOME OF THAT REAL ESTATE. THERE CHOOSING TO LOOK AT RETAIL FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HOW DO WE ACTIVATE THE SITE. THEY HAVE A LIBRARY THAT HAD OVER 1 MILLION VISITORS A YEAR. THE LIBRARY HAS MOVED HALF A MILE SOUTH.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT HOW DOES RETAIL COME BACK IN. A LOT OF HEADACHES BUT ALSO A LOT OF ADVANTAGES. WE CAN HELP WALK YOU THROUGH ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES AS HE SAW THE DESTINATION CONCEPT. AND ALSO TO ALLOW YOU TO GO, WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT DOES RETAIL BETTER THAN WE CAN DO IT BUT WANT TO INTEGRATED INTO THE COMPLEX . WE COULD WALK YOU THROUGH THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE KNOW HAVE DONE THAT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. 7:01 PM , ALL RIGHT. ONE MINUTE LATE. THANK YOU. COUNSEL, LET'S TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND COUNCIL WORK SESSION AND WILL BE STARTING WITH ITEM 3 B THE PRESENTATION FROM CANADA FIRM HOEFER WELKER FOR THE MUNICIPAL

COMP -- COMPLEX PROJECT. >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US. THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US . I JUST WANT TO START OFF BY THANKING YOU FOR SELECTING THIS TO BE INTERVIEWED IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY AND PRESENTING. WE UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER WE HAVE AN AGENDA THAT WE WILL FOLLOW. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OVERVIEW AND KEY CONSIDERATIONS AND WILL LOOK AT THE SITE ANALYSIS AND HOW WE DEVELOP THOSE IN THE CONCEPTS AND WE HAVE 15 MINUTES OF THE END FOR Q&A. IF I COULD HAVE ONE MINUTE FOR A QUICK WRAP UP THEN THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. HOEFER WELKER, NUMBER 20 IN PUBLIC SAFETY ACROSS THE NATION, 170 STRONG THROUGHOUT THREE OFFICES, KANSAS CITY, DALLAS AND JACKSONVILLE. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WORK THAT IS UNIQUE TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH AND THIS IS THE RESULT OF THE TEAM YOU SEE HERE. EACH DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY HAS DIFFERENT SETS. THERE ARE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR SHOTS OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS BASED ON THE FUNCTION AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE STAKEHOLDERS NEEDED.

THE REASON THESE ARE IMPORTANT AS THEY DIRECTLY ALIGN WITH YOUR NEEDS. THE SITE HAS SOME CHALLENGES THAT WE CAN TOUCH ON AS WELL I AM THE PROJECT DESIGN LEADER. JEFF PAUL IS THE PROJECT MANAGER. STEVE IS THE PROJECT DESIGNER. DON IS OUR POLICE SPECIALIST. ASHLEY IS THE SUSTAINABILITY EXPERT.

SARAH , ANIMAL SHELTER SPECIALIST AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. DOROTHY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND OUR SECURITY AND TECHNOLOGY ADVISOR. A FEW WEEKS BACK AND I HAPPEN TO BE GOING BY AND I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THE MAYOR PUT TOGETHER AND I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF HELP BUT IT WAS INTERESTING, THESE ARE THINGS WE TOOK AWAY OF WHAT WAS IMPORTANT AND WHAT THE FUTURE IS . SOME OF THESE COMPONENTS WE HEARD WERE SO VITAL TO YOUR MESSAGE THAT WE

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ONE OF OUR PROJECT UNDERSTANDING NOTES IS WHAT IS IN THIS PROJECT AND WE UNDERSTAND WE ARE TAKING A PARK AND WILL APPLY A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND WHAT GOES INTO IT THE POLICE, FIRE, MUNICIPAL COURT AND WE WILL BE ACTIVATING THE PARK AS FAR AS WHAT IS IN THE PARK. IT WILL HAVE SOME BUILDINGS AS PART OF IT AND WE WILL ALSO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN PLAN FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE CURRENT NEEDS AND OTHER NEEDS THAT MAY EXPAND. WE HAVE 30 YEARS OF DESIGNING MUNICIPAL COMPLEXES. BEING A PRINCIPALLY INVOLVED TEAM, THESE ARE THE PHASES YOU WILL SEE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DURATION. WE ARE INVOLVED FROM START TO FINISH AND BEYOND.

>> I HAVE DEVOTED 35+ YEARS OF MY CAREER DIDN'T PUP THIS PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS. A LARGE NUMBER IN TEXAS AS YOU CAN SEE, 175. NATIONAL AND LOCAL DEPTH AND BREADTH OF EXPERIENCE THAT BRINGS TO BEAR ON YOUR PROJECT A VALUE THAT FOR ALL THE PROJECTS THERE WAS UNIQUE SITE , CLIENTS, UNIQUE SOLUTION DRIVEN BY THAT CLIENT, COMMUNITY, AGENCIES AS TO WHAT THOSE CAME OUT TO BE AND CHALLENGING BUDGETS IT'S A PROVEN PROCESS OF DELIVERING THE PROJECTS WITHIN BUDGET. I WAS ONE OF SIX ARCHITECTS SELECTED FOR THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE TO REWRITE THE ENTIRE , THEY CALL IT THE POLICE FACILITIES DESIGN GUIDE THAT EVERY AGENCY STARTS WITH ON THEIR JOURNEY TO START A NEW PROJECT AND I WAS INVOLVED IN REWRITING THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT .

>> ANIMAL ART HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN 1500 ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IT DOES NOT COUNT THE ADDITIONAL ONES WE'VE DONE IN CANADA, HONG KONG, TAIWAN AND THE MIDDLE OF UGANDA. WE ARE EXCITED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU ALL AND BRING THAT DEEP KNOWLEDGE SPACE OF THE FIRM WITH OVER 40 YEARS OF WORKING ON THIS PROJECT TYPE TO YOUR AREA. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A PROJECT IN FORT WORTH FOR AND DOING OTHER PROJECTS IN TEXAS. WE ALSO ARE INVOLVED IN THE FAIR FREE ADVISORY COUNCIL AND HAVE BEEN WORKING ON GUIDELINES FOR VETERINARY AND ANIMAL SHELTERING AND DEVELOPING THE STANDARDS TO THINK ABOUT HOW ANIMALS PROCESS SPACE AND HOW DO WE KEEP THEM HAPPY AND HEALTHY WHEN THEY ARE WITHIN

YOUR CARE. >> A VERY LARGE PIECE OF THE PROJECT AND FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS I'VE DONE WORKPLACE DESIGN SOLUTIONS FOR CORPORATE, MUNICIPAL INSTITUTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD .

WE CAN BRING ALL THAT KNOWLEDGE TO BEAR ON HOW THIS WORKPLACE WANTS TO PERFORM IN TERMS OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SPACES AND HOW WE MAKE THEM FLEXIBLE AND HIGH-PERFORMING AND MORE

SUSTAINABLE. >> WE ARE INVOLVED FROM START TO FINISH AND THE LEADERSHIP COMPONENT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE ARE LOCALLY ENGAGED. WE LIVE IN THE AREA, LEFT THE AREA AND OUR OFFICE IS IN DALLAS AND JEFF AND MYSELF AND THE REST OF THE TEAM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE WILL BE INVOLVED FROM START TO FINISH.

>> WE TRULY BELIEVE SUSTAINABLE DESIGN IS THE BEST VALUE WE CAN PROVIDE OUR CLIENTS. FOR SUSTAINABILITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL, IT NEEDS TO BE AN INTEGRATED PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS . WE HAVE STARTED DOING SUSTAINABLE ANALYSIS FOR YOU ON YOUR SITE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT OF THE CHALLENGES AND

OPPORTUNITIES ARE. >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GET BY OUR EFFORT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU IN THE WHOLE PROCESS. ONE OF THE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT, THE PUBLIC SAFETY UNDERSTANDING AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO CREATE THE SERVICE FUNCTIONAL OPERATIONAL FACILITY THAT CAN LAST AND STAND THE TEST OF TIME. SUSTAINABILITY IS NOT WHEN DIMENSION BUT INCLUDES ALL OF YOUR GREAT UNDERSTANDING AND ARE TRYING TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PROCESS . THIS IS A KEY PART THAT WE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS WITH OTHER CLIENTS, RECRUITMENT AND HAVING THE FACILITY OR A PLACE THAT'S IMPORTANT CREATING THE HOME BASE SO WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY TRAINING WHETHER TO ANYLEVEL OF ADMINISTRATION, THEY WANT TO STAY AND GIVE THEM A PLACE TO WORK AND THE CULTURE. WE KNOW VERY WELL WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER AREAS

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IT'S YOUR COMPLEX AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HELP DO THAT FOR US, WITH THIS , TOGETHER AS A TEAM. KEY CONSIDERATIONS .

>> THE LARGE MUNICIPAL COMPLEXES ARE UNIQUE INTO THEMSELVES AND IT IS A CHALLENGE ON HOW TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. THE PROJECTS APPEAR REPRESENT SOME OF THOSE AND WHAT'S REALLY NEAT ABOUT THOSE IS ALIGNMENT OF THE FLOOR -- PHILOSOPHY AND PRIORITIES FOR OPERATIONALLY DRIVEN FACILITIES AND TWO OF THE TOP PRIORITIES ON A LOT OF THESE FACILITIES IS WELLNESS INITIATIVES, IT IS FOREMOST FOR ALL PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF AND ALSO TRAINING. A QUOTE THAT WE DON'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF OUR EXPERIENCE BUT WE FALL TO THE LEVEL OF OUR TRAINING SO WE TAKE IT A HIGH PRIORITY AND ALL THESE FACILITIES TO INCORPORATE THAT. I ALSO WANTED TO PROVIDE CLARITY FOR ALL THE PROJECTS LISTED THAT 720 DESIGN WAS THE PUBLIC SAFETY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND/OR PUBLIC SAFETY ADVOCATE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THESE ON THE RICHARDSON PROJECT, I WAS EMBEDDED IN OFFICE BETWEEN FORMER CHIEF SPIDEY AT THE TIME AND IT'S ASSISTANT CHIEF HEWITT. ALSO ON ALL THESE PROJECTS, CHARLIE WAS ALSO SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH ME HELPING DELIVER ALL THE PROJECTS. HERE IS A PROJECT THAT HOEFER WELKER WORKING ON. DOWN BELOW IS THE CITY HALL AND LIBRARY PROJECT BUT IT REALLY HAS TAKEN MULTIPLE USES IN ONE BUILDING AND COMBINING IT ON THE SAME SITE THAT BRINGS THAT PROOF OF SUCCESS OF DELIVERING THESE KIND OF PROJECTS. BOTH OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND YOU CAN START SEEING BY THE FLOORPLAN THAT ONE OF THE MAIN DRIVERS IS RIGHT OFF THE BAT, IDENTIFYING YOUR INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL CLIENTS, HOW THEY ARE DEALT WITH AND CONTROLLED AND THE SERVICE POINTS BUT IT'S CRITICAL TO START WITH THAT AND WE WOULD SIT DOWN ON DAY ONE AND START WITH BOTH CHIEFS AND STAFF , DEFINING THOSE AND PRIORITIZING THOSE AND ON THIS PROJECT IT WAS A VERY SIMILAR SITE AND A VERY LONG AND LINEAR SITE THAT DROVE THAT ULTIMATE SOLUTION BUT THAT IS THE FIRST WAR PLAN THE

MUNICIPAL COURT AND POLICE. >> WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO FIND OUT THAT WE HAD A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR LOOKING AT THE ANIMAL CARE SIDE OF THINGS. WE NEED A DESIGN FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT USER GROUPS AND IT NEEDS TO BE INCREDIBLY WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY AND REPRESENT YOU ALSO PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN AND TAKE HOME A DOG OR CAT AND ADOPT A NEW FURRY FAMILY MEMBER ON THE BACKSIDE ON THE BACK HOUSE CONTROLLED AREAS, IT NEEDS TO WORK WELL FOR YOUR STAFF AS THEY WORK SO HARD CLEANING THE KENNELS AND TAKING CARE OF ANIMALS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THEIR LIFE AS EASY AS POSSIBLE AND ALSO GETTING BACK TO THE RECRUITMENT CONCEPT OF MAKING SURE YOU CAN HIRE FOR THESE DIFFICULT POSITIONS , ESPECIALLY VETERINARIANS AND MAKE SURE YOU CAN RETAIN THEM, THEIR WORK IN A FACILITY THAT HAS FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT THEY NEED AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT IT FROM AN ANIMAL CARE STANDPOINT, ARE DOGS AND CATS PATHS CROSSING AND HOW DO WE KEEP THEM AS SEPARATED, CALM AND HAPPY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IF WE CAN MANAGE THEIR STRESS LEVEL THEY WILL GET SICK AND THEY % BETTER AND SOMEONE COMES IN AND CAN TAKE THEM HOME. FUNDAMENTALLY WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL SIZE AND BUILD THE RIGHT CAPACITY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON FOR YOU ALL IN YOUR COMMUNITY WITH YOUR DATA AND NEEDS IN TERMS OF ANIMAL CARE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DESIGNING SOMETHING WHERE YOUR WAREHOUSING DOGS THAT MAKING SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS LETTING YOU SUPPORT THE ANIMALS AND KEEPING THEM FROM COMING IN BY PROVIDING RESOURCES AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THAT DO END UP WITH YOU GET HOME AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. AND GETTING INTO THE INTRICACIES OF THE FACILITY , THAT IS THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM AND DRAINS, IT NEEDS TO FUNCTION SO THEY ARE NOT BECOMING MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS .

IF WE PICK THE RIGHT DRAIN YOU ARE CALLING THIS LATER SAYING WHY ISN'T THIS WORKING. AT ALL SHOULD WORK PERFECTLY AND BE FLAWLESS. LIGHTING AND SECURITY ALSO TIES INTO THE OVERALL SITE DESIGN, MAKING SURE IT FEELS SAFE BUT ALSO NOT SHINING LIGHT IN THE DOG'S EYES AT NIGHT SO IT CANNOT FALL ASLEEP. ACOUSTICS IS ALSO BIG CONCERN, THINKING ABOUT HOW TO

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THE WHOLE SITE. >> FOR THE PARK, WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE NOISE, PROXIMITY TO ADJACENCIES, LIGHTING AND SECURITY . ANOTHER LAYER FOR THIS PARK THAT IS A KEY CONSIDERATION IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY SO FAR FOR THIS LOCATION AND WHAT THAT EXPECTATION IS AND WHAT WE WANT TO TAKE OUT OF THAT ARE ARE THOSE ACTIVITY NOTES AND THE THINGS THAT WILL ENERGIZE % THE SPACE AND CREATE PEACEMAKING AND CREATE SYNERGY WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS AS WELL WITH SOME OF YOUR INITIATIVES OF SUSTAINABILITY, BOLSTERING YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND

KEEPING ALL THAT IN MIND. >> SITE ANALYSIS CONCEPT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL LOOK AT WE REALLY FELT IT AND PART OF IT STARTS WITH WHAT ARE WE DEALING WITH WE TOOK A DEEP DIVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SITE ASPECTS AND WE PUT OUR FEET ON IT TO SEE WHAT IT IS. YOU ASKED US TO DEVELOP TWO ALTERNATIVE VISIONS, A COMBINED FACILITY AND THE STANDALONE. WE TOOK THAT TO HEART AND WE SAID HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS AND LET'S COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S CREATIVE AND EFFICIENT BUT IT'S ALL BEING DONE TO CONNECT TO YOUR DIVERSE NEEDS SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS IF WE ARE SELECTED AS HER ARCHITECT TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT YOUR THE FACTOR IN THE WHOLE EQUATION BECAUSE THIS IS FOR YOU AND IT'S YOUR BUILDING. WE THINK WE CAN REALLY HELP YOU BUT WE NEED

YOUR INPUT. >> SOMETIMES DESIGN CAN APPEAR TO BE MESSY AS YOU CAN SEE IN SOME OF THE SLIDES. THAT FAR LEFT TOP IMAGE IS ACTUALLY US HAVING A LONG SESSION ABOUT THIS VERY PROJECT AND YOU SEE THE WHITE BOARD HAS A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AND THE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS AND TAKEAWAYS. SOME OF THE IMAGES ARE SHOWING BLOCKING AND PROGRAMMING CONVERSATIONS ON SIMILAR PROJECTS, LOOKING AT HOW TO PUT IT TOGETHER, WHAT SITE CONSTRAINTS ARE STRUGGLING WITH AND HOW TO COME UP WITH REAL SOLUTIONS AND IT CAN APPEAR TO BE MASSIVE DISTRICT MESSY BUT IT'S AN INORDINATE PROCESS. THERE ARE SOLUTIONS YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE QUESTION OF WHICH ONES ARE WORKING THE BEST AND WHICH ONES CREATE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COMPROMISE AND SOLVE FOR THE ESSENTIAL. ON THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE A FEW IMAGES WITH SHOW THE IDEA OF MOVING FROM BLOCKING AND STACKING PROGRAM ANALYSIS TO BEGINNING TO DEVELOP FORM AND HAVE EVOLVES

THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS . >> AND THAT PROCESS INCLUDES ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. WE ARE DOING THIS WITH YOUR ENGAGEMENT. PART OF THE THING WE DO UNIQUELY IS TAKE EACH PIECE OF THE PUZZLE AS IT WAS BLANK AND STARTED PUTTING COLOR AND CONTEXT TO IT WITH YOU AS A GROUP AND THAT IS OVER

A PERIOD OF TIME. >> HERE IS AN IMAGE OF YOUR SITE. WE ACTUALLY SHOT IT FROM A DRONE. SO YOU COULD GET A CLEAR LOOK. THIS IS TYPICALLY HOW WE MIGHT WORK AS WE START TO OVERLAY THE IMAGES WITH INFORMATION. WE ARE LOOKING AT ADJACENCIES. MULTI FAMILY COMPLEXES TO ONE EDGE OF THE SITE AND SINGLE-FAMILY ON THE OPPOSITE EDGE AND FROM THAT THERE IS TWO SCHOOLS . SEVERAL STATES THAT COME INTO IT AND THE FURTHEST AWAY TOWARD MILLER YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING SPECULATED ON. ALL OF THESE THINGS PLAY IN TO HOW THE SITE IS AFFECTED BY THE THINGS THAT ARE AROUND IT AND STRATEGIES FOR HOW TO DEVELOP

IT. >> WE WILL FACTOR IN ALL THE CONTEXTUAL ELEMENTS AND THEN ESTABLISHING OUR SECURITY PROTOCOLS AND IT WILL ALL BE ABOUT LAYERING IN WORD. THE VULNERABILITY FROM DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, THE POLICE CHIEF MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND IT ALL STARTED HOW TO DEVELOP

THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION >> WHAT WE DO SPECIFIC TO YOUR

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PROGRAMMING. . >> WE WILL BE LOOKING AT TWO WAYS IN AND OUT IN CASE ONE IS COMPROMISED. YOU WILL START TO SEE SOME OF THE SITE PLANS AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT IDEA

AND CONCEPT. >> WHAT WE LOOKED AT HERE IS THE EAST-WEST ACTIVITY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CONNECTIVITY.

WHEN WE DO THAT, THE MAJOR INTERSECTION THAT WILL DEVELOP WILL BE CENTENNIAL AND WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT WILL HELP WITH INTERNAL CIRCULATION AND IT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU HAVE A CHORDATE WORK BE GIVEN IN THE PARK. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE UTILITIS SURROUNDING THE SITE. ON THE WEST SIDE WE HAVE POWER AND COMMUNICATION AND IT'S ALSO ALONG THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL. WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHT BLUE AREA AND WE THINK THAT THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A WATER FEATURE FOR THE SITE AND IT WILL CONTAIN THE DETENTION.

>> AS WE ARE READY MENTIONED, WE STARTED DOING EARLY ANALYSIS . WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO CHARGE YOU THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEREVER YOUR WINDOWS ARE WHETHER THEY ARE OR ARE ON THE NORTH OF THE SOUTH AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO CHARGE YOU THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT BUT IF WE CAN DESIGN SMART FRO THE BEGINNING AND LOOK AT WHEN THE SUMMER SUN WILL HIT AND WHEN THE WINTER SUN WILL HIT AND PUTTING OUTDOOR SPACES AND PLACES THAT WILL GET HIT BY THE WIND. THESE ARE THE KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT SAVES YOU MONEY.

AND WE ARE NOT AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT BUDGETS ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SUSTAINABILITY. WE DID NOTE THAT THERE ARE SOME COST CONSIDERATIONS WITH YOUR NEW CODE THAT YOU HAVE WHAT'S AWESOME ABOUT THAT AS HE COULD LEVERAGE SOME OF THAT ON THEIR HIGHER LEVEL OF ENERGY EFFICIENT AND WITH SOME INCENTIVES WITH YOUR UTILITY COMPANY. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOLAR THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AND HAVE STARTED RUNNING SOME OF THOSE ANALYSIS TO SEE WHERE OPTIMAL SOLAR AREA CAN BE. NOT JUST THINKING ABOUT IT WITH THE AESTHETIC STANDPOINT AND WHERE CAN WE POTENTIALLY OPTIMIZE THE SOLAR PANELS . ALSO LOOKING AT GLARE AND DAYLIGHTING.

DAYLIGHTING AND SOLAR HEAT GAINS OUT OF THE BLUE AND RED AND WHERE WE ARE OPTIMIZING THE SHAVING AND OVERHANGS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND FUNCTIONAL BUILDING AND OPERATIONALLY NOT HAVE COSTS

GOING FORWARD. >> WE APPRECIATE THE PROGRAM DETAIL. WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT IS THE PERCENTAGE AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE BUILDING PHASE AND HOW WE DEVELOP AND IN THAT CONCEPT HE TOOK BLOCKS FAIR AND WITH THE FUTURE ASPECT AND WHETHER OTHER OPPORTUNITIES COULD THERE BE AND FROM LEFT TO RIGHT YOU SEE THE MUNICIPAL CAR WITH CONVERSATIONS REGARDING AND IT SUPPORT FOR US TO STAND WHAT IT IS AND HOW IT WILL BE PLACED ON THE SITE. THE FIRST OPTION IS

THE COMBINED FACILITY . >> IF YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE PROGRAM, POLICE IS THE LARGEST SINGULAR ELEMENT IN THE PROGRAM . ONE OF THE EARLY THINGS THAT WE START TO DO IS TAKE THE PROBLEMATIC

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>> THE HEAVY INFLUENCE IS ON THIS SITE AND YOUR PROGRAM. NOT TO MAKE MANY SOLUTIONS POSSIBLE AND IT'S FOR ALL STAFF, FIRE, ADMIN, COURT. COURTS, THE HUGE UPTICK ON RECORD DAY AND THAT DICTATES A LARGE FIELD OF PARKING. AND ALSO TOTALITARIAN DESERVES , THERE'S A LOT. YELLOWTAIL, CRIME LAB AND WHY THAT WE START GROUPING THOSE TOGETHER AND IT'S LARGELY FLOWING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO, AND RETURNED TO THE JAIL AND RIGHT ON DOWN THE ROAD AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF NEIGHBORS THAT YOU HAVE. AND PROPOSING A 10 FOOT HIGH SOLID SECURITY FENCE AROUND THE WHOLE PERIMETER AND AN AND THERE HAVE BEEN INCIDENTS OF PEOPLE SHOOTING THROUGH PICKET FENCES AS OFFICERS ARE IN THE PARKING LOT AND IT WILL BE WITH THE INPUT OF STAFF ULTIMATELY WHAT MAKES THE BEST

SENSE FOR THE SOLUTION HERE . >> ON THE SITE PLAN YOU CAN SEE HOW WOULD LOOK AND AN IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT IS CENTENNIAL PRIDE IS THE FRONT FACE OF THIS AND HOW WE AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER PRESENT WILL AND TO FIND A SENSE OF PLACE AROUND THAT. THE BUILDING AND IT WOULD'VE ALLOWED ALL THE UTILITARIAN AND THE HIGHER PUBLIC FAITH WHO WE GRADED OURSELVES AND LOOKED AT IT FROM A POOR AND IN THIS ONE IN A COMBINED FACILITY , HAVING A MORE CONSOLIDATED MECHANICAL SYSTEM CAN BE AN ADVANTAGE . IT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE AND THE LOWER SITE UTILITY COSTS AND ONE OF THE DOWNSIDES TO THE SCHEME WAS AND WITH THE LONG-LIVED MAYOR NATURE OF IT AND HOW IT CONSUMES IT OUR GOAL AND IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL FAIR DEVELOPMENT. AND HAVE BEEN , YOUR VOICE AND PRESERVES THE PATIENT AND IT IS US SPEAKING VACUUMED HER SO AND IT WAS MORE GRITTY AND FAYE RAM TO THE EXTRA WALLS OF THE BUILDING AND WE LOOKED IT AS THE ROOF AND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE SECOND FLOOR UNDERNEATH THE ROOF AND THE ROOF TAKES DIFFERENT SHAPES TRY TO CAPTURE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN DAYLIGHT.

SO WE CAN BE MORE SECURE IN TERMS OF THE HORIZONTAL PLANE AND WHERE WINDOW PENETRATIONS ARE AND ARE NOT. CONSIDERING

THE SECURITY. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING BACK, IN THE BACKDROP, WE CREATED THE PARK AND IT IS CONSISTENT . THE ANIMAL SHELTER FRAMES OUT SO IN THE BACK YOU SEE THE BAND SHELTER WITH CONCESSIONS, THE SAME BY

CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT. >> SOME OF THE MORE UTILITARIAN

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IMAGE. >> I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE

VIDEO FOR YOU TO SEE. >> AS IT STARTS UP, YOU'RE ENTERING THE VIDEO OVER THE PARK AND YOU GET TO THE WATER TOWER TO THE RIGHT. GETTING AN OVERALL IMAGE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HERE WE DROP DOWN AND TRAVEL ALONG CENTENNIAL AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ADDRESSES IT . HERE ARE MORE STILL IMAGES TO PAUSE ON THAT ENTRANCE AND FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE AND THEN HEAR FROM ABOVE YOU CAN SEE THE LOBBY AS MARKING THE ENTRANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL COURT AND FACING BACK OUT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

>> STRATEGICALLY WHETHER IT'S GLASS OR SOLID SURFACE, THOSE ARE TO BE ADJUSTED AS WE GO MOVING FORWARD.

>> HERE IS THAT SAME DIAGRAM THAT YOU SAW BEFORE BUT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT IT AS A DISCONNECTED OR STANDALONE SEQUENCE. WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS IS THE BUILDINGS BECOME MORE FRAGMENTED AND WOULD BE CONNECTED THROUGH COVERED WALKWAYS OR ENCLOSED WALKWAYS THAT CONNECTTHE BUILDINGS TOGETHER. IF THERE I A EASE OF TAFT DISPARATE TRAFFIC MOVING IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT BUT GENERALLY THE BUILDINGS STANDALONE AND THE FACILITIES IS DISCONNECTED. YOU CAN SEE THE ANIMAL SHELTER FRAMES WHEN EDGE. POLICE HEADQUARTERS OR FACILITY IS A TWO-STORY FUNCTION BUT WHEN THIS FIRE BECOMES A ONE-STORY STRUCTURE RELATED TO THE OTHERS AS WE HAVE MADE PROBLEMATIC CHANGES TO UPGRADE THE PROJECT.

>> WE DID TAKE LIBERTY AND I HAVE SEEN PROJECTS WITH QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WORKING ON. THE CRIME LAB AND EVIDENCE AND PROPERTY OUT OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS BECOMING TOO RISKY. THE HUGE EXHAUST REQUIREMENTS AND YOU SEE A VEHICLE NEEDING TO GET UP CLOSE TO THE AREA TO GET INTO BAG AND TAG AND HALL EVIDENCE AND PROPERTY IN AND OUT. WE TOOK THE 4000 SQUARE FOOT QUARTERMASTER COMPONENT AND THAT ALSO NEEDS A LOT OF VEHICLE INTERACTION AND IT COULD BE AN APPARATUS PULLING UP TO TAKE STUFF BACK TO THEIR FIRE STATION. I SEE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT THIS MAKES SENSE OUT THERE BECAUSE THE VEHICLE DRIVEN, EXHAUST DRIVEN AND ALLOWS FOR FUTURE GROWTH WHICH TENDS TO HAPPEN OVER THE YEARS. BY PULLING THAT ELEMENT OUT OF THE CENTIPEDE, SO TO SPEAK AND WE TRADED IT TO THE FAR LEFT FOR FUTURE CITY BUILDING . OCCUPY THAT AREA AND WE STILL HAVE PARKING THAT COULD SUPPORT SOME KIND OF BUILDING AT THE END OF THE SITE THAT CREATES A GATEWAY TO THE ENTIRE CAMPUS FROM THAT END THROUGH TO THE PARK.

>> HERE AGAIN YOU SEE THESAME SITE PLAN WITH THE PROGRAMS AND STRUCTURES WE'VE DEVELOPED. THE POLICE ASSET SUPPORT BUILDING WORKS IN COMBINATION WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER IN TERMS OF CREATING AN URBAN EDGE AND DEFENDING THAT SECURE PARKING AREA IN THE BACK IN THE FACILITIES THAT ARE BACK THERE. IT'S ANOTHER INHERENT ADVANTAGE AND BELOW THAT YOU SEE THE BEGINNINGS OF THE ELEVATION AND IT ACTUALLY LOOKS MUCH BETTER WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN 3B. HERE AGAIN WE HAVE GRADED FOR OURSELVES WITH SOME BENEFITS AND DISADVANTAGES.

FUTURE BUILDING EXPENSES -- EXPANSION IS A BIG ONE AND HOW IT MIGHT HAPPEN. WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES, THE BUILDING IS BEING STANDALONE WITH MORE SKIN EXPOSED TO THE OUTDOOR AIR WHICH MEANS ULTIMATELY IT BEING MORE ROBUST.

>> IS A BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS THAT WE CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR GATHERING AND SPACES WITH THE LANDSCAPING ? AND INTRODUCES A DIFFERENT ELEMENT THAN THE OTHER OPTIONS AND HOW WE CONNECT BRIDGES OR CONNECTIONS AND IT WILL

ENHANCE THE WELLNESS. >> LIKE BEST POCKET PARKS

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HERE , YOU START OUT ON THE SAME PLACE. YOU'RE ENTERING OVER THE PARK AND YOU SEE THE DISPOSITION OF THE ENTIRE SCHEME AND HERE YOU ARE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PIECE OF IT FEELS WITH THE TWO-STORY POLICE FACILITY IN THE BACKGROUND AND THE USER AND WE HEAR FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION LOOKING BACK AT THE POLICE FACILITY MUNICIPAL COURT . THAT ALL SEAS ARE ROOFTOP MECHANICAL UNITS ENGAGED IN THE ROOF AS WELL BECAUSE THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS CONSIDERED AS A SOLUTION.

>> AS WELL AS THE AXILLARY BUILDINGS AND YOU CAN SEE IT FEELS LIKE A CAMPUS FRAMEWORK.

>> THE CONCEPT FOR THE PARK BEGAN AS A NOD TO THE MASTER PLAN. IN TAKING OUT THE ACTIVE NODES AND ALL THE BACKGROUND AND PUT IT THAT IT HAD ALREADY GONE INTO THAT AND APPLYING IT TO THE NEW SITE AREA TO COMPLEMENT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS , RESIDENTIAL HOLDING FAMILY AND WE SEE THE SITE IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS A SMOOTH TRANSITION.

FROM THE ANIMAL SHELTER, YOU TRANSITION OVER LLANO STREET, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE NEW EAST-WEST CIRCULATION ANDY TRANSITION TO THE BAND SHELTER PLUS OPEN LAWN. THAT PROXIMITY IS NICE BECAUSE IT WILL SUPPORT SOME OF YOUR CIVIC EVENTS ND ACTIVITIES. THINGS THAT CAN BE CONCERTS, FESTIVALS AND THERE IS EVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR POLICE AND FIRE EDUCATION DAYS AND HE COULD HOST PET ADOPTION DAYS. AS HE MOVED FURTHER INTO THE PARK, YOU HAVE YOUR COMMUNITY ATTRACTIONS, THINGS THAT WILL REALLY SUPPORT YOUR PARKS AND HOW DO WE ENERGIZE THAT THROUGH THE COURTS, ADVENTURE PLAYGROUNDS. ALL THOSE ARE ITEMS YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. THE LAST THING THAT IS SUPPORTING THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTION THROUGH THE TRAILS AND HAVING A CIRCULATING TRAIL THROUGH HERE THAT CONNECTS TO THE LARGER TRAIL MASTER PLAN AND HITTING ON SOME OF THE SITE INITIATIVES, SUSTAINABILITY, TREES, OPEN SPACE AND CAPTURING ALL THAT INTO THIS

CONCEPT. >> IN THE LAST IMAGE WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THEANIMAL SHELTER. AND HOW IT HELPS FRAME THE PARK KIDS. THIS IMAGE WAS TAKEN FROM STANDING WITHIN THE PARK AS IF YOU'RE PARK PARTICIPANT LOOKING BACK AND ALONG THE EDGE. THE PARTICULAR PROGRAM SUITS IT WELL BECAUSE IT BECOMES AN INVITING GESTURE, ENGAGE IT, EXPLORE IT, PLAY WITH THE ANIMALS AND HOPEFULLY ADOPT ONE. THE SYNERGY BETWEEN THE BROCK -- BROAD IS A STRONG

ONE. >> THE CENTER REQUIREMENTS, WE TRIED TO AND AS SARAH MENTIONED , THE ACOUSTICS. NOT

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WE ARE AT THE POINT AT Q&A. WE ARE A COUPLE MINUTES EARLY AND WE DO HAVE A HANDOUT THAT I WILL LEAVE BEHIND AND IT INCLUDES A LOT OF THE SAME THAT YOU SEE HERE. WE WELCOME QUESTIONS, APPRECIATE THE TIME AND LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING

ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM SHINDER?

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I REALLY, REALLY LIKED LIKE THE WATER FEATURE. THAT IS REALLY NICE.

I HAD ONE QUESTION , I NOTICED YOU DID NOT ADDRESS THE CITY HALL AT ALL. OTHER THAN THE PLACEHOLDER KIND OF THING. AND THAT'S FINE . BUT I ALSO WAS WONDERING -- WHAT WITH THE PROCESS AND TIMELINE BE , I GUESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE TWO PROJECTS, THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND ANIMAL SHELTER.

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. LOOKING AT THE PHASING THAT YOU HAD AND LOOKING AT IT , THE FRONT SPACE CAN HOUSE THE FUNCTION OF THE CITY HALL AND WILL LOOK AT THAT. AND BECAUSE WE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS JUST PHASE 1 AND THE ASK WAS TO COMBINE THESE FOUR THINGS, THAT'S WHY WE DID IT. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AND THAT'S WHY WE AS A GROUP, AND THAT HOPEFULLY ANSWERS YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION.

>> AND THE TIMELINE IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE ARE WE LOOKING AT AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESS, WHEN YEAR OR SO OF THE DESIGN PROCESS DEPENDING ON YOUR TIME AND THEN WE CAN GO OUT TO BID. IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO HOW YOU ENGAGE US, JEFF AND I WILL BE MANAGING AND WE WORKED VERY WELL ON THE SCENE AND THAT'S HOW WE UNDERSTAND IT. AND WE WOULD APPLY THAT AND WORK WITH THE ELECTION HELP TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS AND LOOK AT PACKAGES ON HOW TO BRING IT LOWER LOOKING AT A TWO AND HALF YEAR, 2020 -- 2022-2026 . IF MONEY IS AVAILABLE THEN WE WILL PLAN FOR IT . HAVE TO GET ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY 80,000 SQUARE FEET. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE

WHICH WE DON'T KNOW YET. >> IF WE DO HAVE THE SAME PROCESS, ONE THING WE TYPICALLY DO IS START TO DO A POLL PLAN AND UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU WANT TO BE IN THE BUILDING AND THEN WE START TO PULL BACK AND PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT THEY CAN GET INTO THE PROJECT FASTER. SOMETIMES IF YOU GO WITH THE ORIGINAL STANDARD PROCESS OF WE ARE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A SCHEDULE AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT NOW ON THIS TIMELINE, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS. AS QUICKLY AS IT HAS

BEEN TO -- IN THE PAST. >> THE TEACHER PROJECTS HE WOULD BE DOING DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION CONCURRENTLY? OR WOULD YOU DO THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING FIRST AND THEN ANIMAL

SHELTER . >> COMBINED OPTION FACILITY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT DOING THAT IT IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE WOULD BUILD THAT WITH ONE FOR PRINT -- FOOTPRINT WITH ALL UTILITIES WHETHER STANDALONE OR COMBINED WOULD BE

PREPPED AND DONE UP FRONT. >> THE ANIMAL SHELTER BECAUSE IT IS ATTACHED , IT COULD COME EARLIER OR LATER AND THAT ALLOWS US TO DEAL WITH IT ON A SEPARATE TIMELINE .

>> THE PARK CAN BE UP AND OPERATIONAL, IF THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND BUFFERING COMES INTO PLAY AND IT WILL BE

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>> WE'VE ALREADY THOUGHT ONCE THAT CONNECTION IS AND THEN HOW ARE WE CONNECTING TO IT. ALL OF THAT IN THE ANIMAL SHELTER COULD BE DONE IN PHASE 1. IT WOULD WORK .

>> I WILL DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES.

>> I HATE TO SKIP IN FRONT OF THESE PEOPLE BUT IT IS ADDRESSING ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RFP WAS TO INCLUDE COMPONENTS SUCH AS THE CITY HALL . CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT .

>> THE TERM USELESS TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS.

BASICALLY HAVE FOUR FUNCTIONS. POLICE , PUBLIC SAFETY, ANIMAL SHELTER AND CITY ADMINISTRATION. THE MAIN SCOPES. WE ALSO INCLUDED A VERY LARGE DOCUMENT WHICH I FEEL NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PIECES IN IT. WE GAVE THEM A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT WE DID NOT ACTUALLY USE THE TERM CITY HALL BUT CITY ADMINISTRATION.

HERE. I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS BUT I WILL JUST ASK TWO. ON THE COMBINED BUILDINGS, ARE THERE ECONOMIES AND WITH SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIES INTEGRATING THAT WITHIN A

SINGLE BUILDING? >> THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS YES AND THE MORE COMPLICATED WHEN AND YOU'VE GOT FOUR SIDES EFFECTIVELY, REJECTIONS AND COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. FOR A STANDALONE SETTING HAVE FOUR ON MULTIPLE BUILDINGS BUT THE TRADE-OFF IS WHAT OTHER FUNCTIONS CAN YOU GET .

>> THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING IS A LONG AND SKINNY BUILDING MEANS THERE'S A LOT OF SKIN AREA TO IT. IT SORT OF WORKS AGAINST . THERE ARE DIFFERENCES AND ECONOMIES BUT THE CONSTRAINTS CONTRIBUTE IN DIMINISHING THAT.

>> ONE THING I DID NOTICE IS THE PARKING, EVERYTHING WAS SURFACE PARKING AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OR INTEREST OR THOUGHTS ABOUT SOME SORT OF PARKING STRUCTURE?

>> IT'S BEEN CONTEMPLATED BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD , PART OF THE CONCERN AND IT GOES TO THE QUESTION AND THE BUDGET AND THE BUDGET FOR THE INITIAL CONTEMPLATION IS SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD BUT STRAUCH -- STRONG WHEN WILL LAMBERT HAPPEN WITHIN THE PRIMITIVE SITE. YOU HAVE A SECURED AREA AND MAYBE THAT CAN BECOME A PODIUM BUT OPTIONS AS A BASE OPTION WHICH ALSO FUTURE OPTIONS WAS THE

RIGHT WAY TO GO. >> WITH REGARD TO THAT, I'M WORKING LOUISVILLE POLICE AND FIRE PROJECT.

>> STRUCTURE PARKING ON A SUPERTIGHT SITE, YEARS WAS NOT THAT TYPE. PREMIUM TO DO STRUCTURED PROJECT ON THAT WAS

$15 MILLION OR MORE. >> I'M GOING TO SLIP IN A THIRD QUESTION. THE NUMBERS THAT YOU USED FOR THIS PRESENTATION , SETTING ASIDE FUTURE CITY HALL, DID YOU BASICALLY BUILD THIS STRUCTURE IN WHICH ARE PRESENTING TO MAX OUT THE CURRENT BUDGET? YOU DIDN'T LEAVE MONEY IN THEIR THINKING THEY ARE GOING TO WANT -- THAT IS THE BUDGET.

>> WE LOOKED AT THE SITE COST AND DEVELOPMENT COST AND FOR FUTURE PHASES LOOKING A PART OF THE RFQ AND WHAT IS THERE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE BUT WE PLAN FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN NOW. THE MONEY THAT YOU SEE HERE WAS THE PROGRAMMING AND WE JUST MARRIED THE TWO THINGS

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TOGETHER. >> ONE LESS THING ABOUT PARKING. IF THERE WERE A FUTURE CITY HALL, IN THE EQUATION , YOU CAN CERTAINLY CANNIBALIZE SURFACE PARKING AND THINK OF A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WILL TAKE ALMOST THE SAME FOR PRINT AS THE PARKING THAT YOU'RE CANNIBALIZING CAN YOU DO THAT TIME THAT MIGHT BE MORE AMENABLE.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WINGET ?

>> EVERYTHING A SINGLE STORY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE POLICE FACILITY ITSELF. WAS CONSIDERED GRATIAN -- CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO MORE MULTILEVEL OR DOES THAT AMOUNT OF SPACE ACCOMMODATE A CITY YEAR SIZE?

>> THE COMBINED SCHEME COMPONENTS, WE HAVE TWO STORY AT FIRE AND POLICE AND MAXIMIZING WHAT IT COULD BE AT THE COST TRADE-OFF. WE ARE LOOKING AT $20,000 OF SPACE FOR STRUCTURED PARKING. LOOKING AT THE EQUATION, IF WE DID THAT THEN WE WOULD BE SACRIFICING YOUR PROGRAM IF IT DOES WORK THEN THE MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. THE POINT IS DO WE WORK WITH YOU TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS AND KNOWING YOU HAVE THE DIRECT IMPACT .

>> WE HAVE ALSO FOUND THE MAGIC NUMBER ABOUT 30,000 LEVEL IS WHEN YOU START GOING -- 30,000 SQUARE FEET TO 40,000 SQUARE FEET. WITH THE TOTAL PLEASE BEING 55,000 AND TO TRY TO GO A THIRD LEVEL WITH FOOTPRINT WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT TO THE CHIEF OPERATIONALLY. WENT TO START GOING TO SMALLER PLATES THEN OPERATIONS GETS STRATIFIED, DEPARTMENTS GETS STRATIFIED WITH LOSS OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE HIT ON MORALE. WITH THE SIZE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW FOR POLICE WITH TWO-STORY, IT HIT THE SWEET SPOT ACROSS TEXAS AND THE COUNTRY.

>> IN THE COMBINED SCHEME THERE WAS TWO STORIES .

>> THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION THE PROGRAM ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUILDINGS YOU SEE HERE. I THINK IT'S 62,000 FEET WITH CITY HALL AND THAT WILL PUT US AT 180,000 OVERALL SQUARE-FOOT AND THAT IS NOT WHAT PHASE I HAD. THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THE

APPROACH WE DID. >> THAT HELPS . IN TERMS OF THE POLICE BUILDING, DOES THIS INCLUDE A SALLY PORT, JAIL AND IF SO WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC PATTERN, YOU'VE INTEGRATED A LOT OF TRAFFIC PATTERN COMPONENTS AND

HABITS THAT INTEGRATE ? >> IT IS SHOWN ON THE ONE SITE PLAN THE FLOW IN AND OUT OF THE PARK CONNECTED TO THE JAIL.

>> RIGHT THERE WE HAVE HOLDING, THAT LITTLE LIGHT TRIANGLE OR RECTANGLE JUST TO THE BOTTOM HAS THE NECESSARY FLOW FOR VEHICLES AS THEY COME IN THAT TOP RIGHT VEHICULAR GATE AND THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY -- CIRCLE IN AND THEY ARE LOADED INTO HOLDING AND ALSO FRONT FACING FOR THE DISCHARGE OF ANY DETAINEES OR ATTORNEYS NEED TO TALK WITH THEM AND

THINGS LIKE THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY BRAIN THOUGHT WHEN IS SAW HOLDING THAT IT WAS IN JAIL. THANK YOU

FOR CLEARING THAT UP. >> LET ME CLARIFY TOO AND IT WILL SOLVE THE WHOLE JAIL PROBLEM, THE INTENT THROUGH THE RFP IS THAT THE POLICE FACILITY DID NOT INCLUDE A TAIL HOLDING OR MUNICIPAL COURT FACILITY AS WE WOULD IMPROVE IN WHICH WE HOUSED TODAY. IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED TO CONSTRUCT A JAIL HOLDING AND THE MUNICIPAL COURT FACILITY FOR THIS SITE AS WE KEEP AND RETAIN THE CURRENT BUILDING

AND THAT BUILDING FOR ITS USES. >> THAT STARTS IN TRADITION OPERATIONAL INEFFICIENCIES WITH OFFICERS BACK AND FORTH .

MORE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT AND FAIRNESS TO THE FIRMS AND FOR CLARITY FOR THE COUNCIL. WE DID ISSUE AN RFQ AND IN THOSE INSTRUCTIONS WE TALKED ABOUT AND CHRISTOPHE EMAILED YOU THE LANGUAGE, THE 4 COMPONENTS, INCLUDING ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION. TO PROVIDE BACKGROUND INFORMATION AS YOU KNOW THERE WAS AN OLDER, PREVIOUSLY PERFORMED THIS

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WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE. >> COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR CONCEPT DESIGN IS YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE NORTH TO THE MIDDLE PART WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE STRUCTURES AND THEN THE OTHER HALF DESIGNATED TO THE PARK. DID YOU EVER LOOK AT CONCEPTUALLY AND INTEGRATED PARK FACILITY STRUCTURE FROM NORTH TO SOUTH WHERE IT INTEGRATED FACILITIES ALONG WITH THE PARK AND IF YOU DID LOOK AT IT AND REJECTED IT, WHAT IS THE CHALLENGE?

>> WE WILL THE FEELING OF WHAT THE ABORIGINAL MASTER PLAN HAVE THEN WE LOOKED AT THE OVERLAY, SAFETY AND AREAS WHERE WE CAN PUT IT. WHEN WE START INTRODUCING ALL THOSE PIECES OF COMPONENT, YOU INTRODUCE SOME AGREEMENT THAT WILL NOT PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY. WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING TO THE POINT OF THE CITY HALL AND ADAMANT AND WHAT WE DID GLEAN FROM IT AND I CAN TURN TO DOROTHY THAT THE PART ACTIVATION , THE LAWN DID CONTRACT AND YOU REMEMBER THE PARK WAS LONG AND WE PLAYED PLAY HOMAGE TO MAINTAINING AS MUCH A CENTENNIAL DRIVE AND HOW DO WE FIT WITHIN THE MIDDLE AND WHAT REALLY MAKES SENSE FROM A LOGISTICS STANDPOINT. IT BOTTLED A SET SAYING THE FRONT HALF REALLY WORKS BUT LET'S GIVE IT A PART THAT REALLY FUNCTIONS WITH ACTIVE DEVELOPMENTS MAKING IT A CAMPUS PARK AND WRAPPING IT WITH BUILDINGS . WE WANT THE FEATURES TO BE EXACT BUT NOT PERMANENT BUT IT'S THE INTENT OF WHAT WATER FEATURE CAN BE OR WHAT THE PARKING WILL BE AT THE GREEN SPACE.

>> YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT FOR THE SECURE STAFF PARKING AREA, APPROXIMATELY 400 PARKING SPACES THAT HAVE TO TOUCH THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING AND THE TOP OF THE BUILDING HAS TO TOUCH THE PUBLIC . IT BECOMES A HUGE CHALLENGE AND IT DOESN'T MEAN ON THE VERY BOTTOM SIGHT LINE THAT YOU COULD NOT CARVEOUT SOMETHING BUT THEN IT WOULD NEED A SECURITY FENCE WERE GOING ALONG THE TRAILER -- THE TRAILER PARK YOU CANNOT

ENGAGE. >> WE HAD TO DO IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO DIMINISH BOTH.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK

YOU VERY MUCH. >> I ASKED FOR THAT ONE MINUTE IF YOU DON'T MIND, REALLY QUICK. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS AND WE REALLY TRIED TO LISTEN TO YOU. THESE 300 PROJECTS WE'VE DONE CITY HALL AND MUNICIPAL CONCEPTS AND UNDERSTAND THAT. THE ANIMAL CARE COMPONENT, NOTHING BETTER THAN 1500 AND WE ARE THE PRINCIPAL TEAM THAT WILL BE HERE. WE HAVE LEAD PROJECTS IN ENERGY AND THERE'S ALWAYS GUIDELINES WITH THE MOST EFFICIENT, OPERABLE SERVICE THE BUILDING FOR YOU LET'S MAXIMIZE IT THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'VE STUDIED AND RIGHT NOW IF YOU LIKE US NOW, YOU'LL LET US ONLY START WORKING WITH YOU AS WE WILL BE ENGAGED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS.

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FIRM. >> COUNSEL, LET'S TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK , PROBABLY THANKS FOR BEING HERE. WE ARE MOVING ONTO ITEM 3C FOR THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEXED PROJECTS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY. VERY PLEASED TO GIVE THIS PRESENTATION FOR YOU. THIS IS PART OF OUR DESIGN INSPIRATION, YOUR DOWNTOWN FROM BANKHEAD TO THE COTTON GIN AND THE CIVIC GRAIN. THERE IS A LOT GOING ON THAT IS GREAT CONTEXT FOR THE PROJECT AND IT IS SOMETHING AS AN ARCHITECT THAT WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT TO DESIGN FROM CONTEXT OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND TO THE VISION OF THAT COMMUNITY. THIS IS B RW . WE ARE 160+ AND ABOUT 90 ARE IN THE DALLAS OFFICE. ONE THING THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE ABOUT THIS TEAM IF EVERYBODY WHO WORKS ON YOUR PROJECT WILL BE HERE LOCAL AND WE ARE ALL RIGHT HERE, EVERYBODY WHO WILL WORK ON YOUR PROJECT . B RW HAS BEEN FORTUNATE TO WIN A GOOD NUMBER OF DESIGN AWARDS WORKING FOR 350 TEXAS COMMUNITIES AND OVER 1500 PROJECTS. THE DESIGN AWARDS A LOT OF THEM TEND TO BE FROM JUDGES, JURIES THAT LOOK AT THE OPERATION, FUNCTION OF THE FACILITY AND HOW WE DESIGNED TO THE COMMUNITY'S GOALS. THOSE AWARDS ARE AND OUT COMING WAY THAT WE APPROACH ARCHITECTURE AND NOT THE GOAL AS THE ENDPOINT IN AND OF ITSELF. THIS IS OUR TEAM, I AM THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD, PRINCIPAL WITH BRW , LUIS WILL BE THE PROJECT MANAGER, VERY TALENTED AND ALSO DESIGN LIMING GUY. JAMES HAMILTON THE PROGRAMMER COMING OFF OF THREE POLICE PROJECTS. CHRIS ALSO PRINCIPAL AT B RW AND HE IS A GREAT DESIGNER AND HE HAS GOT US A LOT OF THE REWARDS BUT HE DOES IT WITHOUT THE BIG EGO OF THE REALLY GREAT DESIGNERS AND IT'S A PLEASURE WORKING WITH HIM . SOME OF OUR CONSULTANTS, BRIAN FROM STUDIO OUTSIDE COURT GREAT TOP-NOTCH DESIGNER OF PARKS AND CITY PLANNING . MICHAEL WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND YOU JUST SAW HIM EARLIER AS WELL. WELL KNOWN FOR HIS EXPERTISE IN THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. I DO ALSO HAVE CHARLIE HERE, OUTSTANDING A-V SECURITY . LARGER TEAM , BRW HAS WORKED WITH THESE CONSULTANTS ON MANY PROJECTS INCLUDING THESE PROJECT TYPES. A TEAM THAT IS WELL OILED AND THEY ALL KNOW THESE PROJECT TYPES INSIDE AND OUT AND PROVEN SUCCESS FOR THAT TEAM. WE WANT TO START OUT WITH WALKING YOU THROUGH THE EXPERTISE THAT WE HAVE IN THESE PROJECT TYPES. WE HAVE DONE A LARGE NUMBER OF EACH OF THESE PROJECTS. WE HAVE ASTERISK BY THE CURRENT PROJECT MOST RELATABLE TO WHAT THIS PROJECT HAS. WE HAVE THREE CURRENTLY ONGOING , NOT A LOT OF FIRMS HAVE THAT WE WILL

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THERE IS A LOT MORE PEOPLE WHO COME TO VISIT THESE FACILITIES AND WE DON'T WANT TO FORGET THAT. WE ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND AND THE PUBLIC SIDE IS ALSO IMPORTANT FROM THE STATEMENT YOU WANT TO MAKE TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND IT MAY BE VASTLY DIFFERENT BUT THIS ONE HAS GOT A CERTAIN FEEL AND YOU WILL SEE DIFFERENT FEELS THAT COME FROM OTHER FACILITIES AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CLIENT'S VISION. ALWAYS WORKING TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AND THE WAY YOU WANT THE PUBLIC TO PERCEIVE AS THE CITY. HORSESHOE BAY ANOTHER VERY HANDSOME FACILITY AND THIS ONE IS IN THE HILL COUNTRY. YOU COULD SEE THAT AND ARCHITECTURE AND CONTEXT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND AGAIN IT'S VERY HANDSOME WITH AN OPEN AND AIRY FEEL AND ONE THAT'S JUST STARTING RIGHT HERE BUT WAS VERY MUCH DRIVEN CLOSER TO HOME AND VERY MUCH DRIVEN BY THE COUNCIL'S STRONG VISION ON WHAT THEY WANTED THEIR IMAGE TO BE FIRE ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE TWO CURRENTLY GOING ON , MANY, MANY FIRE FACILITIES THAT WE DESIGNED , FIRE ADMINISTRATION OFTEN COMBINED WITH THE FIRE STATION OR POLICE STATION BUT NOT ALWAYS. WE'VE DONE BOTH OF THOSE AND WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE INTERACTION BETWEEN POLICE AND FIRE AND WHEN YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER AND THE THINGS WE NEED TO WORK WITH TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING CARE OF POLICE AND SECURITY AND NOT OVERBURDENING FIRE. CENTRAL FIRE STATION ADMINISTRATION AND AS HE SEE THE LITTLE FLAGS IN THE UPPER CORNER, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DESIGN AWARDS THAT I MENTIONED AND THIS STATION DESIGN IS WELL RESPECTED FOR A REASON BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE OPERATIONS. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO GET IT RIGHT. WE TEACH THAT OTHER ARCHITECTS NATIONWIDE. NATIONAL CONFERENCES AS WELL AS THE STATE OF TEXAS . WE ARE A RECOGNIZED LEADER IN POLICE AND FIRE , NOT JUST IN THE STATE OF TEXAS BUT NATIONWIDE. SAGINAW FIRE DEPARTMENT , A GREATLY DIFFERENT LOOK AND TRAINS AND GRAINS IS THEIR MOTTO. SIMPLY IN THE ARCHITECTURE FROM MATERIALITY AND THE DESIGN DETAILING , THE TRAIN INFLUENCE SHOWS UP AND IT'S ALWAYS LISTENING TO OUR CLIENTS , DESIGNING TO THEIR VISION. AND WE CARRIED IT INSIDE AS WELL TO THE LOBBY, THAT REST FEATURE IS NOT REALLY REST BUT A TILE.

SALINA FIRE ADMINISTRATION AND THIS WAS ALSO DRIVEN BY THE CLIENT'S VISION. THIS ARCHITECTURE WAS TAKEN FROM THAT AND IT IS A SIGNPOST EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT RIGHT NEXT TO DOWNTOWN BUT IT'S VERY VISIBLE ON THE MAIN STREET AS

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>> WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON THIS LIST IS A LONG LIST OF SUCCESSFUL LAW ENFORCEMENT PROJECT THAT BRW HAS DUNNING COLLABORATION WITH DISTRICTS. VERY COLLABORATIVE AND INTERTWINED WITH THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE MUNICIPALITIES.

MEETING A BROAD RANGE OF DEPARTMENT NEEDS SO WE WILL SEE THIS FIRST ONE IN PROSPER. STEPHEN TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A CAMPUS TYPE FACILITY FIRE ON ONE SIDE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE. LOOKING AT IT FROM A VERY CAMPUS ORIENTED ON HOW YOU GET TO IT AND FROM IT.

DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY OF GARLAND WHERE WE HAVE A STANDALONE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE BUILDING IN WEATHERFORD WE HAVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING WHICH WAS ALSO COMBINATION OF POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND FIRE ADMINISTRATION IN THE SAME FACILITY AND SOME OF THE FUN THINGS ABOUT THIS, , IT'S A BRIEFING ROOM BUT ALSO PART OF THE CIRCULATION. IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CHIEF AND HE GOES -- HIS TEAM ON HOW TO MAKE IT A MUCH NICER AREA TO UTILIZE THE PEDESTAL AND HAVE A LARGER MEETING AND ITS OVERFLOW SEATING AND IT'S NICE WITH THE CIRCULATION.

ALSO THINKING ABOUT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF FLEXIBLE MULTIPURPOSE AND TRAINING ROOMS AND A BACK UP EOC FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. MOVING OVER TO RICHARDSON WHICH IS A MUCH LARGER CAMPUS. THERE IS THINGS THAT GO INTO THE DECISION-MAKING AT THIS SCALE, DO YOU HAVE 911 DISPATCH, DETENTION NEEDS, WHAT IS YOUR PUBLIC VERSUS SECURE AND STAFF SIDE NEEDS FROM THE INTERIOR TO THE EXTERIOR. WE UTILIZE WITH OUR STAFF AND THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH GREAT 3D TOOLS TO HELP RESOLVE WHERE THAT LINE OF DELINEATION IS AND HOW WE SEE THIS BEGIN TO MESS UP. JUST DOWN THE ROAD WORKING PERSONALLY WITH THE CHIEF IN ROYSE CITY. IT IS ABOUT 26,000 SQUARE FEET OF POLICE OR COMMUNITY THAT IS 16,000 IN POPULATION. IT HOUSES PATROL INVESTIGATION, ADMINISTRATION , CRIME LAB AND PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE VOLTS. ONE OF THE THINGS WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BUILD -- IT WILL BE IN ANOTHER SLIDE BUT BUILDING THE CAPABILITY FOR EXPANSION FOR FUTURE NEEDS. HERE, THIS WAS HER IS GROUND-UP AND IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. ON THE PUBLIC SIDE WE HAVE THE GREAT PUBLIC ENTRANCE WHICH IS WELCOMING AND WE ALSO LIKE TO THINK OF THE STEPS SIDE -- STAFF SIDE . THAT INTEREST IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO US AS THE PUBLIC SIDE. GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE METROPLEX, JUST SOUTH OF FORT WORTH IN MANSFIELD THE CHIEF AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS AND IT'S ABOUT 65,000 SQUARE FEET, TWO STORIES , HOUSES, PATROL INVESTIGATION, ADMINISTRATION, CRIME LAB , JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE BUT THERE WERE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THE NEED FOR 911 DISPATCH AND THE 72 HOUR HOLDING. THE POPULATION

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CAMPUSES AND THIS REALLY REPRESENTS THE ABILITY TO BRING IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS INTO ONE CAMPUS. BRW HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL OVER THE YEARS IN DOING THIS AS REPRESENTED BY SOME THE PROJECTS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE AND A COMMUNITY. AGAIN, BEING ABLE TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE AND A COMMUNITY AND WE WORK WITH CLIENTS TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEIR COMMUNITY AND THE CONTEXT, THE WAY THEY USE THE FACILITIES AND BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TOGETHER IN A NODE , GATHERING SPOT. THIS IS BROWNWOOD AND IT REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL CALL THEM, OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MEETING PLACES ARE GATHERING PLACES FOR SMALLER COMMUNITIES. THIS IMAGE REPRESENTS THAT GREEN SPOT THAT REPRESENTS THE ABILITY AND YOU NOTICE ALL THE PAVEMENT THAT GOES AROUND THERE AND IT CREATES A COMMUNITY SPACE FOR GATHERING IN THE EVENINGS OR ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS AND YOU CAN BLOCK A LOT OF THIS OFF AND BRING THE FOOD TRUCKS AND HAVE A GREAT TIME. THIS IS A FACILITY THAT BECOMES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GATHER AND GIVE BACK AS CITY . WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO BRING THAT INDOORS TO CREATE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WOULD BRING THAT SAME SENSE OF COMMUNITY OR GATHERING INDOORS AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE OTHER IMAGE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE MORE GLASS. A LOT OF TIMES WE LIKE TO BRING THE OUTSIDE IN TO ALMOST MAKE IT A CONTINUATION OF THE EXTERIOR INTO THE INTERIOR. HERE IS JUST SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE BUILDINGS GOING UP AND SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS IN TRYING TO WORK NEAR OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANCE AND TRYING TO MEET SOME OF THE STATICS BUT AT THE SAME TIME , DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HEAR BACK FROM YOU AND HOW WE WORK WITH YOU ON WHAT YOUR DESIRES ARE WEATHER BECOMES A MODERN TWIST OR WE GO TRADITIONAL AND START TAKING SOME OF THE ELEMENTS FROM AROUND YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT OR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

SOME DIFFERENT THINGS. OUR FOUNDER TRAINED AS AN ARCHITECT BUT ACTUALLY ENDED UP WORKING FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES AND WORKED FOR 11 YEARS GOING AROUND THE COUNTRY , HELPING COMMUNITIES BUILD NEW ANIMAL SHELTERS AND THIS WAS BACK IN THE DAY. SHELTER PLANNERS OF AMERICA, THAT NAME HAS EXISTED FOR 30 YEARS AND WE LITERALLY PIONEERED THE MODERN ANIMAL SHELTER DESIGN CONCEPT. WE SPECIALIZE IN TRYING TO FIT THE ANIMAL SHELTER DESIGNED TO

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FOR A DECADE AND I'M SUPER EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE TEAM.

WE'VE DONE A COUPLE PROJECTS IN ROWLETT AND TONS OF PROJECTS AROUND DFW. I'VE GOT 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IN WORKING WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND BRW IS SET THE BUILDINGS WHERE THE BUILDINGS GO BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A BIG ONE FOR ALL THE LANDSCAPE ON THIS PROJECT IN GRAND PRAIRIE, MOST OF IT IS EXISTING BUILDINGS WITH THE NEW HUMAN RESOURCES BUILDING IN THE CENTER IN THE BACK WAS A BIG COMPONENT OF THE REDESIGN.

LAYING OUT STRONG AXES FROM MAIN STREET IN THE DOWNTOWN WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS. THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BUILDING THERE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE AND ALSO THE STREET FRONT AND THIS IS THE STREET FRIENDS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE BUILDINGS OUT THERE AS WELL TO CONTINUE THAT DOWNTOWN FAÇADE . AND THEN REDOING SOME PARKING TO GET MORE GREEN SPACE AND THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND THERE IS A CEREMONIAL VEHICULAR ENTRANCE AND THAT WE ALSO TOOK WHAT USED TO BE A PIPE UNDERGROUND AND YOU WILL SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND PHOTO , EXPOSED IT AND MADE IT AN ELEMENT THAT SEPARATES THE PARKING FROM THE GREEN SPACE. IT IS A FUNCTIONING STORMWATER BEST PRACTICE FOR FILTERING THE WATER. THEN WE WANT TO CREATE FLEXIBLE SPACES. AND LANDSCAPE WE HAVE ALWAYS FELT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE SMART WITH THE MONEY AND MAKE EVERYTHING FUNCTION , BEAUTIFUL AND FUNCTIONAL FOR MULTIPLE PURPOSES SO JUST DOWN BANK HAD FROM YOU ALL IN GARLAND , DOWNTOWN WHICH RECENTLY OPENED IN OCTOBER, EVERY ASPECT WE LOOKED AT HAD TO HAVE 2 TO 3 FUNCTIONS THAT IT COULD SERVE THE STREETS AROUND THE SQUARE COULD SHUT DOWN WITH REMOVABLE BOLLARDS WE COULD INTEGRATE. WE ALSO DESIGN SMALL SPACES AND YOU SEE THE COLORFUL SHADE STRUCTURE IN THE FOREGROUND THAT MOST OF THE TIME IS A NICE DINING SPOT. WE'VE GOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN WHERE THEY CAN SET UP A SMALL IMPROMPTU CONCERT FOR ANY TYPE OF SIZE. YOU SEE THE STAGE IN THE BACK AND THAT IS ACTUALLY A TRANSFORMING STAGE. THEY BRING IT IN ON A TRAILER AND THE STAGE IS NOT OVER THERE -- IT HAS THE BIG LAWN AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO BRING IN A BIG STAGE WITH THE POWER AND THE RED BASE THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE PLUG STONES BUT THEN IT'S A COMFORTABLE PEDESTRIAN SPACE WHEN THE BIG EVENTS ARE NOT HAPPENING LIKE THE GRAND OPENING. INNER URBAN IN THE TOP LEFT IN RICHARDSON IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT SPACE WITH THE LINEAR COMPONENTS WHICH I THINK YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE IN THIS DESIGN SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AROUND ALONG THE LINEAL ACCESS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AND USE DIFFERENT SHAPES TO CREATE THOSE INTERACTIVE SPACES. IT'S A VERY THIN STRIP BUT WE USED TO SUBTLE CURVES TO CREATE THE NODES WITH THE SHADE STRUCTURE FOR SMALL EVENTS. WHILE CONTINUING THE INTEGRATED STREETSCAPE. AND IN CLEAR FORK, THIS IS A REAL TAIL DEVELOPMENT BUT IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HAVING GREEN SPACE ADJACENT TO CIVIC AND FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND RETAIL AND USING THE SPACE WE COULD GATHER AND HAVE A BIG EVENT THAT WE HAVE SMALL SCULPTURES SO IT ACTS AS A PLACE WHERE FAMILIES CAN GATHER IN SMALL GROUPS CAN GATHER AND IT STILL FEELS COMFORTABLE . AND DYNAMIC PARK SPACES. FLEXIBLE AND BEAUTIFUL AND ENLIVENED SO PEOPLE CAN ENGAGE WITH IT. IN GARLAND , WE ARE THINKING ABOUT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY SO THIS IS SUNSET SO THE LIGHTS ARE STARTING TO COME UP AND ONE OF THE BEST THINGS WE DID WAS THE LIGHTING DESIGN AND IT REALLY IS A GREAT SPACE

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>> EVERYTHING THAT BRIAN JUST SHOWED YOU, YOU CAN IMAGINE BEING IN THIS PROJECT AND IT'S VERY EXCITING. EVERYONE WANT TO PLACE TO LIVE AND THE AMENITIES ARE NEARBY BRINGING BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY OUTSIDE. IT'S A GREAT TRANSITION. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT APPROACH. NOT ALL OF IT BUT I WANT TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON THE INFORMATION GATHERING WHICH IS A HUGE COMPONENT AND WE NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU AND IT'S A LOT. WE TRY TO STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY THAT WE GET BITS AND PIECES AT A TIME SO WHEN WE TAKE EACH STEP WE ARE TAKING THE RIGHT STEP AND IF WE ARE OFF-BASE, LET'S GO BACK AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE MESSED. I WILL HIT A FEW OF THESE TO SHARE SOME OF HOW WE WOULD LEAVE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF VISIONING WORKSHOPS. SOMETIMES REALLY BIG BROAD QUESTIONS AND UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU DEFINE SUCCESS. AT PROJECT COMPLETION AND WERE HOPING THERE IS VARIETY IN THE ANSWERS WE GET BACK AND THAT GIVES US A GUIDEPOST AND WE DO THAT WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND WE'VE DONE IT WITH THE PUBLIC AT LARGE WHICH IS INTERESTING TO GET THAT MUCH FEEDBACK. WE TRY TO FIND THE COMMON THREAD AND IDENTIFIED THE PATHWAY MOVING FORWARD. INCLUDING AS MANY STAKEHOLDERS AS WE CAN AND ITS INSURERS THAT WE ARE GETTING CONSENSUS.

PART OF THAT IS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE NOT ALL GOING TO AGREE AND THAT IS OKAY. WE FIND A WAY TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DIFFERING OPINIONS THAT PULL APART AND I THINK WE CAN BRING IT ALL TOGETHER. PART OF THAT CONSENSUS BUILDING IS WRITING IT DOWN. IT SOUNDS SIMPLE BUT JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WRITING IT DOWN AND SEEING THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAD THE SAME IDEA OR MAYBE A DIFFERENT ONE AND YOU CAN BUILD UPON THAT. THAT IS TRUE COLLABORATION AND IT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE SEE. THIS IS .ALL EDGY AS WE CALL IT. IT IS FIRST IMPRESSION STATICS AND WE CAN CATEGORIZE THESE, THIS LOOKS LIKE EXTERIOR IMAGE, YOU LIKE IT OR YOU DON'T LIKE IT AND THEN YOU PUT YOUR STICKER ON IT AND IT'S A GOOD ICEBREAKER AND IT GETS PEOPLE

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AFTER ALL OF THAT COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION, NOW WE ARE GOING TO SHADY DESIGNS THAT WE DID WITHOUT ANY OF YOUR INPUT.

WHICH IS A LITTLE SCARY. AND WE ARE HAVING TO MAKE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS AND THESE ARE JUST A FEW IDEAS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING FEEDBACK AND SEEING WHERE IT GOES. YOUR SITE AND WE HAVE STUDIED THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WE STUDIED THE PARK MASTER PLAN. OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE PROJECT WILL BE. WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SCOPE.

WE HAVE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS IN ORDER TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT INFORMATION WE COULD GATHER AND WE STARTED WITH ROWLETT . WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE AND WHAT

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YOU'VE GOT A RICH ONE WHICH IS GREAT, THE BANK HAVE HIGHWAYS, THE COTTON GIN , VERY COOL AND YOU CAN INSTANTLY SEE THAT BEING AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. ARCHITECTURAL CONTEXT BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE STORY AND WHAT IS REALLY GREAT TO SEE IS WHEN COMMUNITIES HAVE BUILT UPON THAT AND YOUR CONTINUING WITH YOUR IDENTITY AND IN THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT I'M SPEAKING TO AND IT SEEMS TO BE REALLY VIBRANT AND IS TAKING CUES FROM THE PAST BUT MODERNIZING IT AND MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE AND ATTRACT TO NEW PEOPLE MOVING IN , WHICH IS GREAT . SOME OF THE FEATURES AND HIGHLIGHTS OF THE WATER TOWER, THE ARTWORK BRANDING AND I THINK YOU'VE REALLY GOT SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE AND WE SEE THE PROJECT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND AND GROW UPON THAT. HERE AS PEOPLE START MOVING ABOUT , YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ALL THIS BUT WE REORIENTED THE SITE PLAN TO FIT THE LANDSCAPED PRINT BETTER. NORTH THIS TO YOUR LEFT AND I UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW THE CONTEXT BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, THE HIGH SCHOOL IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY. THE MAINSTREET DISTRICT WHICH IS FANTASTIC AND NOT FAR OFF OF THE CHURCHES, THE NEW APARTMENT MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND I ASSUME IT WILL BE FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BY GEORGE BUSH.

UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT AND HOW WE CAN RESPOND TO IT. A LOT OF THE IMAGES BRIAN SHOWED YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY WHAT -- WE ARE SEEING THE CONNECTION TO THIS OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AS OTHER INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES. I'M GOING TO START BUT MAYOR -- WITH SCHEME A BECAUSE THERE IS VARIATIONS. THE FIRST ONE STARTS WITH THE SINGLE BUILDING CENTRALLY LOCATED AND WE WANTED TO SEE HOW KIM CITY HALL AND POLICE BE IN ONE BUILDING AND CREATE THIS CURBED PROMENADE AND HOW THAT CAN RESPOND TO THE CONTEXT. HERE WE ARE AT THE BIG SCALE , DEEPER INTO THE SITE AND AS WE ZOOM IN I WILL START TOWARDS MAINSTREET AND THAT REALLY IS THE SITE PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE GOT PRETTY LIMITED STREET FRONTAGE TO MAINSTREET, VERY DEEP SITE SO WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE IT AND IT SEEMED APPROPRIATE THAT CITY HALL WOULD FRONT MAINSTREET BUT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IT RIGHT UP ON THE STREET AND WE FELT IT COULD BE A NICE FOREGROUND FOR THIS PUBLIC SPACE ACTIVATED BY ALL THE ACTIVITIES AND TO BE A DRAW FROM DOWNTOWN MAINSTREET PROPER AND THEY WILL NATURALLY LEAD THIS WAY AND BECAUSE OF ALL THE ACTIVITIES CAN LEAD DEEPER INTO THE PARK. I'M GOING TO POINT OUT SOME LOGISTICAL THINGS. OH BOY, THAT DOES NOT DO WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO DO.

>> VERY QUICKLY , I KNOW THERE IS A LOT MORE SLIDES TO GO AND I WANT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS PRESENTED . I DON'T WANT TO RUSH YOU BUT I WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND OF THE

TIME. >> SOME LOGISTIC . YOU'VE GOT THE SECURE PARKING HERE AND THAT IS GOING TO SERVE THE ENTIRE BUILDING WITH GOT PUBLIC PARKING ALONG THE STREET

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IN FRONT OF IT. >> THE WAY WE ENVISION SOME OF THE PROJECTS IS UNDERSTANDING THE FACT THAT WE SET THE BUILDING BACK TO STILL GIVE IT A SENSE OF PRESENCE AND WE HAVE ENOUGH WITH EVEN THOUGH IT'S NARROW WE FELT WE HAD ENOUGH TO ALLOW THAT TO BE PROMINENT. THE WIDTH OF THE VIEW CORRIDOR AND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING AND THE OTHER THING IMPORTANT AND BRIAN HAD TALKED ABOUT IT AS WELL IS THE VIEW TO YOUR VENUE SO AS YOUR COMING UP IT BECOMES A JOURNEY.

>> THE LINEAR PARK AS A BUFFER TO THE FRONT DOOR OF SOME OF THE MULTI FAMILY. SOME BUFFER SPACE THAT'S NOT INVADING ON THEIR PRIVACY AND IT BECOMES AN AMENITY. SCHEME B A SIMILAR CONCEPT BUT WE ARE BREAKING THE BUILDING APART. WE ARE SEPARATING CITY HALL FROM PUBLIC SAFETY AND WHERE OPENING IT UP AS WE GO TO THE BACK OF THE SITE AND IT DISPLAYS OUT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT ORGANIC, NOT JUST ONE BLOCK BUILDING WITH THAT SIGNIFICANCE OF MAINSTREET LIKE THE FIRST ONE DID AND IT TAKES ON A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CHARACTER HER. THE ACCESS HERE TO THE UP PART OF THE PAGE PLAN EAST CONNECTS TO THE ACCESS THROUGH THE MULTI FAMILY AND THERE IS THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE SO THIS PORTAL BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS BECOMES THAT TERMINUS AND WE ARE ALIGNING AXES WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. AND AS WE ZOOM IN, YOU CAN SEE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, THE FOOD TRUCK OPPORTUNITIES, CIVIC LAWN WHERE THE PUBLIC PARKING IS TO SERVE THE BUILDINGS AND A SINGLE SECURED PARKING LOT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. AND AS WE SHIFT DOWN TO THE THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE SITE , IT IS CENTERED ON THE WIDTH OF THE LOT WHICH OPENS UP TO A GREATER AREA. THERE IS A FOCAL POINT, IT COULD BE A WATER FEATURE AND SIMILAR RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE SPORTS COURTS AND THE DOG PARK AND ANIMAL SHELTER.

ALTHOUGH THE PUBLIC BUILDING FUNCTIONS ARE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE STREET AND PARKING AREAS AS WELL AS ALL OF THESE PARK AMENITIES. AND THEN THE VIEW FROM MAINSTREET . YOU SEE HOW THE BUILDING WRAPS BACK TO THE RIGHT AND HERE WE ARE SHOWING A DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT IS TAKEN MORE FROM THE AGRICULTURAL ROOTS. MORE LIKE THE COTTON GIN AND SOME OF THE VILLAGE OF ROWLETT THAT'S GOT METAL SLOPE TO RULE DISPARATE ROOFS, DEEP OVERHANGS AND MAYBE NOT SO MUCH BRICK BUT CAST STONE , IT COULD BE BRICK AND STONE AND MAYBE OTHER MATERIALS TO BRING IN A DIFFERENT CHARACTER. WE CAN

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CHOOSE >> IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ARC CORPORATE CULTURE AND IS DEEPLY INGRAINED IN US THAT WE EMBRACE OUR CLIENT'S VISIONS . WE WORK ON YOUR NEEDS AND DESIRES AND WE ALWAYS PUT OPERATIONS FIRST AND YOU GET AWARD-WINNING , HIGH-LEVEL OUTSTANDING ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WITHOUT THE BIG EGO AND THAT'S HARD TO FIND. YOU CAN FEEL THAT ENTHUSIASM. WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND OPERATIONS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE ACCURATE FROM PROJECT PLANNING AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET WITH OPERATIONAL NEEDS.

BUDGETARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYERS AND ONE OF THOSE TAXPAYERS IS ONE OF OUR PRINCIPLES, LIVED HERE AND RAISED HIS FAMILY IN ROWLETT AND I WORKED WITH HIM FOR 25 YEARS. WE ARE DEEPLY COMMITTED AND VERY CONNECTED TO ROWLETT.

HAVE TO ANSWER TO HIM AS A TAXPAYER AS WELL. TO START TOTAL COMMITMENT TO CLIENT SATISFACTION THAT'S DEEPLY INGRAINED AND WE ARE VERY CLIENT ORIENTED AND SERVICE FOCUSED . FINALLY, THIS IS A TRULY LOCAL TEAM , YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LONG DISTANCE RELATIONSHIPS HERE AND WE ARE RIGHT HERE LOCAL AND YOU WON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM FAR AWAY THAT IS NOT LISTENING TO YOU AS WELL AND WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WINGET?

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I LOVED ALL THE VISUAL AIDS AND THAT REALLY DOES HELP WITH BEING ABLE TO VISUALIZE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I REALLY LIKE THAT YOU LAID OUT THE PROCESS IN SUCH DETAIL RATHER THAN WE ARE GOING TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY OR WE ARE GOING TO GATHER INFORMATION.

YOU GAVE US THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF HOW YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT AND I LIKE THAT. I WANTED TO ASK YOU WHOMEVER THIS WOULD BE DIRECTED TO , WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AS THE TIMELINE FOR THE DIFFERENT PHASES AND COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT ?

>> TYPICALLY WE LIKE TO HAVE 10 MONTHS IF WE COULD FOR DESIGN FOR A FACILITY OF THIS TYPE OF COMPLEXITY. IT CAN BE DONE IN AIDS AND IF THE TIMELINE IS OF THE ESSENCE. WE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT GOING FASTER OR AS FAST AS POSSIBLE IS NECESSARILY IN THE BEST INTEREST. WE WANT TO GET

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TIMELINE THAT WE SEE. >> REPEAT THAT PART AGAIN .

>> PROBABLY 18 MONTHS , MAYBE TWO YEARS .

>> COMPLETION ? >> FOR FINAL COMPLETION. WE'VE GOT A PROJECT IN LOUISVILLE THAT IS A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THIS ONE , A VERY COMPLEX SITE AS WELL AND THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 20 MONTHS. THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT LESS.

TRYING TO GET IT DONE IN ONE YEAR IS PROBABLY, 12 MONTHS IS

PROBABLY NOT REALISTIC. >> I KNOW WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME SO I WILL LIMIT MYSELF.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WINGET ?

>> ARE THOSE DRAWINGS DONE BY HAND , ARE THOSE HAND SKETCHES OR IS THAT SOME SORT OF SOFTWARE? NOT THESE BUT THE

ONES IN THE SLIDE DECK . >> THEY ARE COMPUTER-GENERATED.

>> IT'S TO ROMANTICIZE A BIT.

>> I LIKE IT AND I THINK IT'S A PRETTY COOL WAY TO PRESENT THE ITEM. THE TWO QUESTIONS ACCOUNT, YOU HAVE ABOUT 160 PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH YOUR FIRM AND BY MY COUNT ABOUT NINE PROJECTS GOING ON THAT ARE PROBABLY PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL IN SIZE. YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THIS PROJECT AS WELL?

>> CERTAINLY WE DO. RICK IS RELATIVELY NEW TO US IN RIGHT NOW IS UNDER HIS CAPACITY SIGNIFICANTLY. HE NEEDS THE PROJECT AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER TEAM MEMBERS THAT HAVE COME OFF OF OTHER PROJECTS AND RIGHT NOW IS A GREAT TIME BECAUSE WE DO HAVE STAFF MEMBERS THAT NEED THEIR NEXT PROJECT SO IT'S

GREAT TIMING FOR US. >> NEXT QUESTION IS YOU DID NOT MENTION THIS AT ALL SOME CURIOUS HOW MUCH OF A FACTOR SUSTAINABILITY IS AND HOW MUCH OF THAT YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN DOING ORIENTATION AND DOING ANGLES AND ROOF LINES AND

ALL THAT? >> I WILL TAKE THAT ONE. WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE EMBED IN ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. INTERNALLY WE HAVE SUSTAINABILITY AND WELLNESS TEAM , THE LEADER OF THAT GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS AND WE'VE DEVELOPED DESIGN GUIDELINES WITHIN OUR FIRM THAT ARE BASED ON MANY OF THE PRINCIPLES OF LEAD AND WELL. LEAD IS RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND WELL IS RELATED TO THE HUMAN AND THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS PERFECTLY ALIGNED. WE HAVE DEVELOPED OUR GUIDELINES AND WE REALLY DO EMBED THEM INTO EVERY PROJECT.

WHEN THEY HAVE IMPLICATIONS TO OPERATIONAL OR COST THAT HAVE SOME -- WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND SHARE AS FULL DISCLOSURE IF THERE WILL BE MAINTENANCE ISSUES OR IF IT WILL COST MORE THAN A TYPICAL STANDARD CONSTRUCTION TYPE APPROACH AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT WITH YOU BUT A LOT OF IT IS EMBEDDED IN WHAT WE DO AND IT CAN COME DOWN TO SIMPLE SOLAR STRATEGIES . IT'S JUST GOOD PLANNING. BRIAN MENTIONED FROM LANDSCAPE DESIGN , HE SHARED IN GRAND PRAIRIE SOME OF THE SUSTAINABLE APPROACHES

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>> MAYOR ? >> COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP?

>> GREAT PRESENTATION, I REALLY ENJOYED IT AND I LIKE THE VISION. IT SEEMED TO ME PERSONALLY AND ALIGNED WITH WHAT I WAS HOPING WE WOULD SEE SO CONGRATULATIONS. ONE QUESTION AND THIS IS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, WORK SPACE PHILOSOPHY AND I NOTICED A LOT OF THE PRESENTATIONS THAT EVERYTHING HAS VERY MUCH AN OPEN SPACE CONCEPT WITH A LOT OF FLOW . IS THAT JUST MODERN CIVIC BUILDING DESIGN OR WHAT IS THE WORK SPACE PHILOSOPHY?

>> IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH HOW THE OPERATIONS WORK FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT . WE ARE ALWAYS LISTENING TO HER END USERS ON THAT STANDPOINT AND THERE IS ALSO A COST FACTOR, AND OPEN CUBICLE CONCEPT IS LOWER-COST. THAT IS PART OF THE FACTOR THAT WE LOOK AT AS WELL. SOME FUNCTIONS NEED PRIVATE OFFICES IN ORDER TO DO THE JOB PROPERLY AND WE'RE ALWAYS COGNIZANT OF THE TWO AND ARE TRYING TO BALANCE THE FUNCTIONALITY WITH THE COST. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU CAN DEAL WITH THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF VOICE PRIVACY, A PHONE CALL AND THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT. WE HAVE AN OPEN CONCEPT BUT WE HAVE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO MAKE A PHONE CALL OR HAVE A MEETING. WHETHER IT'S A WEB MEETING

THAT FREQUENTLY HAPPENS . >> AND TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY THAT , IT IS DRIVEN BY YOU, THE CLAIMANT AND IT'S PART OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAVE WITH YOU IN UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU WILL USE THE BUILDING AND WHAT IT MEANS. THERE'S A MODERN TREND TO HAVE OPEN SPACES BUT NOT EVERYBODY ENGAGES THAT.

THERE IS OTHER BUILDINGS AND OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THEY HAVE GONE THE OPPOSITE WAY WHERE THEY WANTED MORE CLOSED OFFICES AND MORE PRIVACY. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THAT BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGES TO THAT IN CERTAIN CASES WHICH WE WILL LET YOU KNOW AS PROFESSIONALS AND WE WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT BUT THE REALITY IS IT COMES DOWN TO THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE USERS, PEOPLE THAT WILL BE IN THE BUILDING AND HOW IT IS INTENDED TO BE USED AND WHAT WILL MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE AND WHAT WILL MAKE THEM GET UP IN

THE MORNING AND COME TO WORK. >> AND WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR HOW WE CREATE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY WITHIN THE BUILDING.

IF EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OFFICE WE WANT TO CREATE THOSE POINTS WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER NATURALLY AND

COLLABORATE . >> ONE OTHER QUESTION , THIS MAY FALL UNDER THE HEADING OF DIM QUESTIONS BUT IS THERE ANYTHING FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN A KILL SHELTER AND A NO KILL SHELTER? YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES AND THE NO KILL SHELTER CONCEPT IS VERY POPULAR. ARE THERE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES OR ARE THEY

BASICALLY THE SAME? >> THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT THE BUILDING THAT MAY BE A DISTINCTION BUT REALLY, THAT IS MORE ABOUT AN OPERATIONAL MATTER IN THE COMMUNITY. WE GET CALLS ALL THE TIME FROM A CIVIC LEADER THAT SAYS WE WANT TO BUILD A NO KILL SHELTER . YOU CAN CALL AN ARCHITECT AND ORDER UP A NO KILL SHELTER. IT'S A LOT ABOUT EDUCATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WHAT DOES RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP LOOK LIKE AND IT'S LITERALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT A GROUP OF ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN VOTE AND SAY , WE ARE NO KILL. YOU HAVE TO BRING YOUR WHOLE COMMUNITY ALONG WITH THE FOSTER PROGRAMS, TRANSFER PROGRAMS. THERE IS A LOT INVOLVED AND YES, A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER CAN MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE , SOME PLACES SOMEBODY WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO GO TO, BACK IN THE DAY THE BUILDINGS WERE DEAD IN THE STREET BY THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT AND WERE DARK, DAMP, LOUD AND NOBODY WANTED TO GO THERE.

YOU CAN IMPROVE THE SITUATION BUT YOU CANNOT JUST SAY --

>> IS NOT A HUGE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE , THANKS.

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COUNCILMEMBER REAVES? >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND I LIKE THE THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO OPTIMIZING THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE FEATURES. AND THE PICTURES ARE AMAZING AND THAT IS ONE THING I ALWAYS GET HUNG UP ON, THE PICTURES COMPARED TO BUDGET. TELL ME ABOUT A TIME WHERE YOU'VE HAD THE WANTS AND DYERS DEVIATE FROM THE BUDGET AND WHAT STEPS YOU TOOK TO GET TO A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME .

>> THERE ARE MANY WAYS AND IT DEPENDS ON WHICH PHASE OF THE PROJECT WE ARE ON. I MENTIONED THE DESIGN FEEDBACK LOOP AND THAT IS ALSO THE COST MODELING APPROACH. THAT IS PARTNERING WITH WHO WE MAY HIRE INDEPENDENTLY AS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AND WE WANT TO GET THAT FEEDBACK EARLY BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING WE NEED TO KNOW CONCEPTUALLY, ARE WE ON TARGET OR NOT AND AT THAT POINT WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING, IF WE ARE OFF, WE WILL BE MAKING TOUGH DECISIONS WITH YOU ON HOW TO APPROACH IT. AT THAT STAGE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CARPET OR LIGHTENING BUT THE PICTURE SCOPE. I'M GOING TO JUMP TOWARD THE END, IF WE ARE TOWARDS THE END AND WE ARE FINDING OUT THAT WE ARE OFF, THERE ARE STRATEGIC WAYS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO CUT COSTS WITHOUT CUTTING SCOPE AND QUALITY . IF WE ARE -- SOMETIMES WE ARE GOING IN LIKE SURGEONS AND IF WE JUST INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT HERE AND MAYBE INSTEAD OF THAT FEATURE MATERIAL OR FEATURE WALL, LET'S LOOK FOR AN ALTERNATE VERSION THAT HAS THE SAME VALUE WHETHER IT'S AESTHETICS , ACOUSTIC OR WHATEVER IT IS. WE HAVE WAYS TO MEDIATE SOME OF THOSE BUT WHEN WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THE DOLLARS AND THAT IS WHEN IT'S EASIER FOR US TO DO. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FOR LARGE CHUNKS OF MONEY, THAT IS WHEN THEY ARE DIFFICULT DECISIONS AND IT'S USUALLY COMING TO SCOPE AND THAT , QUALITY SOMETHING FOR THE TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT WE DO, NOBODY WANTS TO DO IT AND IT WILL NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ANYONE TO CUT THE

QUALITY. >> REALLY THE KEY IS TO MAKE THE BIG PICTURE BUDGET SCOPE ALIGN EARLY. NOTHING IS WORSE THAN GET DOWN THE LINE AND YOU HAVE TO CUT A BUNCH OF STUFF OUT. PROJECTS LOSE MOMENTUM . WE STRIVE TO BE ONE OF THE BEST ARCHITECTS AT THE FINDING THE COMPLETE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND ARE VERY WELL VERSED IN ALL THE PROJECT TYPES AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE A REALLY GOOD SET OF INFORMATION WITH DETAILED NARRATIVE TO GET THE BEST COST MODEL FROM THE VERY FIRST ESTIMATE AND THEN WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT AND IF YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER , IT'S THEIR NUMBERS THAT MATTER SO WE WILL LISTEN TO THAT AND MAKE THE CUTS EARLY IF THEY HAVE TO BE MADE AND WE ALSO LOOK FOR PHASING. IF WE HAVE TO PHASE THE PROJECT, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE TIED IN AND FOR CITY HALL PROJECT THERE'S NO WAY TO EXPAND. WE ARE ALWAYS COGNIZANT OF THAT AND HOW DO WE ADD ON IF WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING TODAY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.

>> I WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING TO THAT. IN MY EXPERIENCE BEFORE COMING TO BRW , THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF CONSTRUCTION TYPES OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDING TYPES WITH DIFFERENT STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS AND DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND UNDERSTANDING AND WE APPLY THOSE AND YOU CAN USE THE SAME BRICK AND HAVE A DIFFERENT STRUCTURAL SYSTEM THAT SAVES YOU MONEY. THOSE ARE -- THAT IS THE TYPE OF THOUGHT PROCESS WE WILL USE TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOU AND BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE BUDGET OR COST ESTIMATE EARLY ON BUT THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE SIMPLEST WAYS TO CUT THE COST .

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ONE MORE . ONE OF YOUR EARLY SLIDES, HE HAD THE CITY OF LAPORTE AND I THINK IT WAS THERE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND IT IS THIS BIG OPEN SPACE WITH SOLID WALLS, SOLID FLOOR AND IT'S GOT A CUSTOMER SERVICE WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH ADVICE TO GIVE TO YOUR CLIENTS WHEN IT COMES TO ACOUSTICS BECAUSE IF I'M STANDING AT ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH SOMEONE ON THE OTHER SIDE

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>> ONE APPROACH IN THAT INSTANCE, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE TRANSACTION WINDOW AND WE DO A BIFOLD SYSTEM . IT'S NOT LIKE A MICROPHONE WITH A LITTLE HORRIBLE SPEAKER BUT FROM A BALLISTIC PERSPECTIVE IN THIS CASE, IT CAN HANDLE THE BALLISTICS BUT IT'S TWO PIECES A BALLISTIC GLASS OFFSET AND OF COURSE YOU'RE TALKING AT THE WINDOW BUT YOUR HEARING THE ACTUAL VOICE AND IT'S NOT MUFFLED THROUGH A REALLY SMALL APERTURE. IT SEEMS SIMPLE BUT IT HAS A BIG IMPACT BECAUSE YOU'RE CREATING THAT CLOSENESS AND BEING ABLE TO HEAR SOMEONE 'S TRUE VOICE AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING ALTERED

WITH TECHNOLOGY. >> ANOTHER ONE OF OUR SPECIALTIES IS PERFORMING ARTS . PARTICULARLY AT THE COLLEGIATE LEVEL AND THAT PRINCIPAL THAT LIVES IN ROWLETT, THAT'S ONE OF HIS FORTES LOOKING AT THE ACOUSTICAL SOLUTIONS SO WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT WHEN WE

HAVE THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE FOR LEGAL COUNSEL AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BRIEFLY SO I WILL READ IT INTO THE RECORD BRIEFLY . WILL GO INTO THE CONFERENCE ROOM WHERE WE WILL STAY FOR THE NEXT PART OF THE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION 3A, 3B, AND THREE FEET WITH NO ACTION TAKEN. NOW WE ARE GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR SOME DELIBERATION ON THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE SAW TODAY AND THE ARCHITECTURAL FRIENDS AND JUST THROW OUT OUR INITIAL THOUGHTS. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY ON WHAT FIRM WE WANT TO GO WITH, BUT AT LEAST WE ALL CAN UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AT IN OUR HEADS SPACE FOR THIS, SO I WILL OPEN IT UP.

>> ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LISTENED, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PROBABLY HANDS DOWN ONE OF THE BEST PRESENTATIONS. I THOUGHT I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A DECISION YET, LET ME LISTEN TO THE REST OF THEM. BECAUSE I DID LIKE THE CONCEPT OF HOW THE INTEGRATED THE PARK THROUGH THE FACILITIES. WAS IT HOPEFUL?

>> THAT WAS THE SECOND ONE. >> NOT SO MUCH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE KIND OF ONE-DIMENSIONAL, IF YOU WOULD BECAUSE I LIKE THE VARIATION OF THE ABC , AND I THOUGHT IT LOOKED WELL, JUST THE CONCEPT OF HOW IT FLOWS THROUGH. I LIKE HOW THAT ENDED UP. MY CHOICE WOULD BE RW JUAN,

WALKER THREE. >> I WILL GO. I WILL TELL YOU MY TAKEAWAYS , WHAT I LIKE OF EACH OF THE THREE, AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT MY KNEE-JERK REACTION IS.

WHETHER WE CAN DO IT OR NOT IS ANOTHER THING.

OPEN SPACE. AND I REALLY LIKE THEIR APPROACH AND HOW TO ASK QUESTIONS, IT JUST REALLY SEEMS TO BE REALLY ENGAGED IN THAT PERSPECTIVE. WHAT I LIKED ABOUT HOPEFUL WALKER WAS THERE EMPHASIS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, DOWN TO THE DRAINS AND ALL THAT, THEY SEEM TO BE REALLY TECHNICAL, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY DIFFERENT THING , I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD ON BE RW, YOU KNOW, THE FUNCTIONALITY AND THE APPROACH, AND THE EARLY FEEDBACK THEY HAD, I THINK THAT WAS GOOD. YOU KNOW, JUST TO PUT MY KNEE-JERK REACTION ON WHAT I WOULD CHOOSE, I WOULD GO PARKER WINE, BRW, TWO

HOPEFUL WALKER, THREE POINT >> I WENT INTO THIS JUST HAVING LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTATION, THINKING -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT. THE ONE THAT I LIKE THE BEST. THAT'S NOT HOW IT TURNED OUT. THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD TO HAVE AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION. I THOUGHT I PARK

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>> I CAN GO NEXT, I GUESS, SURE. SO, PARK HILL. FABULOUS PRESENTATION, NO DOUBT. BEAUTIFUL GRAPHICS, VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW POSSIBLE IT IS, GIVEN THAT THEY WERE THE ONLY FIRM THAT I DIDN'T MULTILEVEL PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW FINANCIALLY VIABLE THOSE TYPES OF AMENITIES ARE, AND OF COURSE, THOSE MIGHT BE CARVED OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY HAD TO WORK WITH AND RESEARCHING THE COMMUNITY , WHAT KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION, TO DISPLAY AND DEMONSTRATE THAT LEVEL OF A FACILITY OR A DESIGN REALLY SET THE BAR PRETTY HIGH FOR WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET FROM THE NEXT TWO, AND PERHAPS ERRONEOUSLY SO. ON PAPER, I THINK, IN TALKING AND GETTING SOME FEEDBACK ON THEM, I WAS GIVEN THE IMPRESSION -- OR GIVEN THE ADVICE THAT MR. WIRTZ BERGER, THEIR POLICE SPECIALIST, IS LIKE THE GUY, AND HE MENTIONED IT DURING HIS PRESENTATION. IT WAS A PRAYER.

SO, DON IS LIKE THE POLICE GUY. HE MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING THAT HE HAD KIND OF WRITTEN THE POLICE BIBLE AS IT WAS, WHICH IS THE POLICE STATION DESIGN GUIDE, SO HAVING DONE SO MANY POLICE STATIONS, DEFINITELY GIVES HIM A LEG UP IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO ADVISE US ON WHAT WE MIGHT NOT CONSIDER FOR A POLICE STATION, EVEN WITH THE EXPLICIT CITY THE OTHER TEAMS HAVE. I DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY DISCOUNT THEM, I THINK THAT ALONE RIGHT THERE ADDS A TIME TO THE TABLE.

I ALSO LIKE THAT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL SHELTER GROUP.

THEIR GROUP IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE, THEY DESIGNED A LOT OF COOL STUFF. BRW, I THINK FOR ME, TAKES THE CAKE, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY DO HAVE THE TIMELINE QUITE AS NAILED DOWN

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>> YEAH, I WILL GO. YEAH, I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID WE READ ALL THE MATERIALS AND WE KIND OF HAD SORT OF A PREDISPOSITION TO CERTAIN COMPANIES. SO, I THOUGHT THEY ALL DID A GOOD JOB, YEAH, THE USER OBVIOUSLY QUALIFIED VENDORS. BUT FOR ME, I JUST GO TO THE TOP, I MEAN, BRW, LIKE I FELT -- YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT? THEY SHOWED THE PICTURES AND I SAID, YEAH, THAT'S US. I LOOKED AT ALL THE TOWNS THAT THEY DID, AND SO MANY OF THEM ARE SMALL TO MEDIUM-SIZED TOWNS.

NOW, BUT LOTS AND LOTS OF THEM THAT ARE -- I LOOKED AT THE MAP AND READ THE NAMES OF THOSE CITIES AND I THOUGHT, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, IF THEY COME IN AND TAKE THAT VELOCITY WITH THOSE CITIES AND BRING IT INTO ROWLETT, I PERSONALLY FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE. LIKE I SAID, THEY JUST SPOKE TO ME. I THINK THAT MY SECOND CHOICE IS PARK HILL.

VERY WELL DONE. BUT I GUESS FOR ME, BRW, IT'S ALL THE SAME TANGIBLES, IT IS THE PROCESS, THEY GOT THAT BIG PICTURE PHILOSOPHY , I THINK OF WHAT WE AS A COUNCIL, WE AS A CITY ARE LOOKING FOR, WHICH YOU KNOW, GRANTED, NOBODY GOT A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, SO YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT THEY NAILED THE PRESENTATION, I THOUGHT THEY NAILED THE PHILOSOPHY AND HOW THEY'RE APPROACHING IT. NAILED IT IN JUST HOW THEY WILL CONNECT WITH ROWLETT AS A CITY, AND KIND OF WHAT I GOT WORD FROM THEM THAN ANYBODY, I FELT LIKE THEY PUT A LOT OF STOCK IN OUR IDENTITY AS A CITY, AND I REALLY SPOKE TO ME, SO -- THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.

>> MY TURN. PARK HILL REALLY SPOKE TO ME. AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU, MICHAEL, WITH EVERYBODY, THAT THEY DID A GOOD JOB, I FEEL GRATEFUL FOR THE EXPERTISE THAT THEY ARE PRESENTED. FOR ME, PARK HILL, I FELT LIKE THEY LOOKED AT THE FULL CONTEXT. THEY INCLUDED THE SUSTAINABILITY ASPECT, I JUST FELT LIKE -- I REALLY DID LIKE THAT THE PARK WAS INTEGRATED WITH THE WHOLE FACILITY, AND I THINK THAT TO ME, THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE ANY TIME THAT WE CAN CONNECT OUR NEIGHBORS WITH OUR FACILITIES AND WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF COMFORT . LOVED KIND OF THAT ARCH ROADWAY THAT CAME THROUGH. OF COURSE, I THINK I COULD BE HAPPY WITH ANY OF THE FIRMS, I THINK THEY ARE ALL WELL-QUALIFIED. I FEEL LIKE PARK HILL SPOKE REALLY CLEARLY TO THE PHYSICAL ARCHITECTURE AND HOW IT IMPACTS EMPLOYEE WELLNESS , AND I FELT LIKE THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY RIGHT ON POINT, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE THEY REALLY HAVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN PARTICULAR, THEIR MENTAL -- HOW THE ARCHITECTURE IMPACTS THEIR MENTAL MOOD OR WHATEVER , THANK YOU. SO, FOR ME, IT WAS

PARK HILL. >> ALL RIGHT. SO, TOUGH ONE, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY BETWEEN BRW AND PARK HILL, AND YOU KNOW, THEY ALL HAVE WHAT APPEARS TO BE CERTAIN STREETS

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THAT IS ROWLETT . SO, FOR ME, WHO COMES ON TOP WOULD BE BRW.

WITH A CLOSE SECOND FOR PARK HILL. SO, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS BEEN HEARD. IS THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? OKAY. DID WE -- DO WE WANT TO WAIT TO SUBMIT -- DO WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT OVERNIGHT AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME OR ARE WE GOOD ON SUBMITTING KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE SAID TODAY AS OUR --

>> I CAN DO THAT. >> I THINK THE DEADLINE IS TOMORROW, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM TO CHRISTOPH TONIGHT, PLEASE DO. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW EVENING, IT IS

ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. >> IT APPEARS WE HAVE SOMETHING. YOU WILL KNOW BY TOMORROW. OR BY TONIGHT.

LAUGHTER ] >> I WROTE ALL OVER MINE, SORRY. I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE BLANK SPACES AND TOOK NOTES.

>> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. >> ALL RIGHT.

[3D. Discuss publicly accessible property located south of Miller Road and east of Sunrise Drive, at approximately 4988 Miller Road. (20 minutes) ]

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ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY PLACED TRASH RECEPTACLES , ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO THROW AWAY THEIR TRASH IN TRASH CANS. THE CITY DOES PERIODICALLY GO OUT THERE AND EMPTY THOSE TRASH CANS.

THE CITY PLACED PARK SIGNS IN THE PROPERTY WITH SOME RULES .

AND DESPITE THOSE EFFORTS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROPERTY TECHNICALLY DOES FALL UNDER THE CITY OF DALLAS JURISDICTION AND NOT THE CITY OF RALEIGH. AND ULTIMATELY, AS SUCH, THE CITY HAS BEEN ALLOCATING RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF THE JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES. AND GIVEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SIGNIFICANT USE FOR PUBLIC RECREATION OVER THE YEARS, I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THIS COUNCIL ASSESS AND DECIDE ON THE FUTURE INVOLVEMENT THE CITY HAS WITH THIS LAND . THIS EVALUATION WILL REALLY HELP US DETERMINE A COURSE OF ACTION REGARDING THE CITY'S CONTINUED EXPENDITURE OF RESOURCES OR NOT. I THINK , AS WE ALL SHOULD KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN MOVEMENT TO CLOSING THIS -- LET ME USE MY WORDS CAREFULLY. THIS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE LAND WAS TO BE FENCED OFF. AGAIN, IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOVE LIKE THAT ON SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS IN THE PUBLIC VIEW VERY CLEARLY, BEFORE SOMETHING IS FENCED OFF, WE AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION AND KNOW WHAT THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS. SO, I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER FOR SOME INFORMATION RELATING TO THE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE LAND IN THE EXPENDITURE OF RESOURCES, WHETHER THAT BE POLICE AND FIRE RESPONSE AND OTHER CITY RESOURCES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED OVER THE YEARS. SO, WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

>> YOU ASK FOR CALLS OF SERVICE?

>> YES. >> I HAD CHIEF DANNY RUN NUMBERS FROM THE LAST THREE CALENDAR YEARS. IT SHOWED 21 CALLS FOR SERVICE. YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THERE REALLY WERE 19. BECAUSE TWO OF THEM WERE FOR RECKLESS DRIVING. WE SHOW 21 CALLS FOR SERVICE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS . FIVE IN 2021, FIVE IN 2022, AND 11. 21 CALLS, 11 IN 2023. SO, THOSE

WERE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE. >> OKAY. GREAT.

>> DO YOU KNOW IF THIS IS AN EXTENSIVE MAINTENANCE OF PEOPLE FOR STAFF? I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE REASON --

>> I CAP IT. I'M NOT GOING TO CAPITALIZE ANYTHING AS BEING EXPENSIVE OR OVERLY BURDENSOME. IF I DIDN'T PROPERLY CONVEY THAT, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN MY POSITION. MY POSITION, HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY IF THERE IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN I HAVE -- NOW, KEEPING IN MIND WE HAVE DALLAS, SECTION 2 REQUIRES WE PROVIDE MAINTENANCE TO THESE AREAS. SECTION 8, WE PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THERE IS AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE SERVICES IN PART OF OUR TOWN THAT IS NOT OURS. AND WE ARE PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES. AT SOME POINT, IT COMES WHERE WE ARE SPENDING THESE PHONES. THERE IS LEGITIMACY ABOUT MAKING THIS DECISION. THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT REALLY WARRANT THAT YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO

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QUESTIONS THAT I CAN. >> THOSE ARE KIND OF THE OPTIONS THAT I SEE AS THE MOST REASONABLE. STOP EXPENDING RESOURCES AND FENCE OFF THE AREA, OR TO DISCUSS WHAT BETTER WAY WE CAN PARTNER WITH DALLAS TO MAKE THIS MORE OF A PORTAL . WE ARE NOT SPENDING RESOURCES FOR SOMETHING NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION. HOWEVER, THAT SECTION THAT YOU WERE CALLED, I WAS NOT AWARE OF . WE WERE REQUIRED --

>> THAT'S IN ANY OF THE AREAS NOT LEAST. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION. AGAIN, IT IS DIFFERENT. IT IS STILL NOT A LAND. THE QUESTION I HAVE ASKED IS, HOW MUCH DO I KEEP SPENDING ON LAND THAT ISN'T OURS? WE DON'T REALLY EXTEND THOSE OBLIGATIONS. WE DON'T TAKE THOSE PROPORTIONS TO THIS

DEGREE. >> DO WE KNOW HOW OUR AGREEMENT RELATES WITH THE PARKING STRUCTURE --

>> I THINK WE DESIGNATE IT AS A PARK. THIS IS THE IOA FOR THE ENTIRE LAKE I AM INTERESTED IN. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DESIGNATED THIS AS AN OFFICIAL PARK FOR THE CITY, COMPARING IT TO THE OTHER PARK AS AN EXAMPLE, FOR ME, THIS IS THIS IS NOT A PARK.

I KNOW IT MAY LOOK LIKE A DUCK AND QUACK LIKE A DUCK, BUT IT IS NOT A PARK. AT SOME POINT, THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION. YOU KEEP SPENDING MONEY ON LAND , OR DO YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE? THAT'S WHERE I NEED THE COUNCIL TO TELL ME.

YOU CAN LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS. IF IT DOES WHAT YOU TELL ME, I'M ON THE RECORD HAVING FULFILLED MY OBLIGATION TO THE CITY, AND YOU MADE THE POLICY DECISION YOU ARE EMPOWERED TO MAKE. YOU TELL ME. FOR DALLAS TO MAKE IT A PARK, I AM FULFILLING MY OBLIGATION. YOU HAVE DONE YOUR DUTY. FOR ME, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHAT I WANT TO HAPPEN. I JUST NEED TO BE ON RECORD HAVING FULFILLED MY DUTY BECAUSE IT IS A RESOURCE BEING EXPENDED NOT FOR THE CITY'S BENEFIT, ULTIMATELY, I.E., THE

CITY LAND. >> DOES THE CITY VALIDATE THE

QUALIFIED PARK? >> TRUE. ANYONE CAN MAKE THEIR OWN REASONING, RIGHT? IT MIGHT APPEAR LIKE A PARK. I COULD ARGUE WE ARE FULFILLING OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION. THE SIGNS MIGHT'VE BEEN A BIT MUCH. AGAIN, I WANT US TO GET TO A POINT WHERE THE COUNCIL IS TELLING ME -- IT MIGHT NOT BE A PARK. YOU MIGHT BE CONTENT TO LEAVE IT THERE. THAT IS FINE

WITH ME. >> DID YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH FIRE, HOW MANY TIMES THEY RESPONDED?

>> CHIEF, THIS IS THE TOTAL. >> THIS IS EVERYONE. POLICE AND

FIRE. >> DID YOU GET RESIDENTS VERSUS

NONRESIDENTS? >> I HAVE GOT THE DATA. IT SEEMS TO BE A COMBINATION OF PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN

TELL NEAR OR FAR -- >> NON-RELIC LAND ON NON-RELIC RESIDENCE -- NUMBER OF CALLS. THE CONCERN IS THOSE RESIDENTS OUT THERE .

THEY ARE GETTING YELLED AT , CURSED AT, PEOPLE ARE USING DRONES TO GO LAUNCH THEIR LINES , THEY ARE GETTING TANGLED UP IN RESIDENCES BOATS, MOTORS AND --

>> AND ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS , THAT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A SMALL NUMBER OF CALLS. FIRST OF ALL, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS GAVE UP ON CALLING BECAUSE -- AND THIS IS NOT ANYTHING ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BASICALLY, WHEN THEY WOULD GO OUT THERE, IT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM VERY TEMPORARILY . THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE WOULD COME BACK AGAIN. THEY WOULD MAKE CAMPFIRES. WE WOULD CALL. FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD PUT THEM OUT.

THEY WERE HOPING THEY WOULD COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE. THE REASON WE CALL KEN MILLER, IT'S THE REASON IT BECAME A NO NAME WITHIN THE CITY. -- WAS BECAUSE WE WOULD CALL AND REPORT ON THINGS OUT THERE HAVING TO DO WITH SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE. THEN WE WOULD WATCH THE FIRE TRUCK COME TO THE SIDE OF THE PARK. BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW WHAT. THE

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BECAUSE THERE IS NO ADDRESS. IT IS THIS AREA. WHEN YOU TOLD THEM IT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE WEST END OF THE MILLER ROAD BRIDGE , SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, BUT DIDN'T GET THROUGH CLEARLY. SO, ANYWAY, WE WOULD WATCH THEM GO DOWN THERE. WHEN THEY DID GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE, PEOPLE WOULD PUT THE FIRE OUT. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD GO AWAY. AN HOUR LATER, TWO HOURS LATER, THE FIRE IS BACK. YOU KNOW? YOU JUST GIVE UP AFTER A WHILE. WHAT IS THE POINT? THE OTHER POINT ABOUT THE STATISTICS IS, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT IS A LARGE INCREASE

FROM ONE YEAR -- >> IT JUMPED IN 2023.

>> IT REALLY JUMPED. IT IS GETTING WORSE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING OVER THIS WHOLE TIME. YOU KNOW I'VE GOT MY -- I TURNED IT INTO A POWERFUL PRESENTATION, I GUESS.

THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM IN 2024 -- 2004 TO 2017, IT WAS PEACEFUL. THERE WERE PEOPLE OCCASIONALLY WENT DOWN THERE.

IT'S BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PARKING LOT INVITING PEOPLE TO PARK THERE. IT WAS JUST A REALLY DEDICATED FISSURE. BUT THEN, EVER SINCE IT WAS PAVED OR ASPHALT, WHATEVER IT WAS, IMPROVED -- IT HAS GOTTEN WORSE EVERY YEAR. AND I HAD ONE PICTURE IN THEIR SHOWING, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT, WE HAD 27 CARS ON ONE DAY. AND ON THAT SAME DAY , THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET, THE PARKING LOT WAS EMPTY. WHY DO PEOPLE GO THERE INSTEAD OF THE REAL CAR? AND ARE WE ACTUALLY TAKING AWAY THE MOTIVATION TO GO TO OUR REAL PARKS BY PROVIDING THAT SPACE THERE WHERE PEOPLE KNOW IT'S KIND OF A FREE-FOR-ALL? YOU KNOW? IN THE PARK, YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE OFFICIAL CITY PLACE. THE CITY HAS CONTROL OVER IT. ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD YOU FEEL LIKE WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. AND, YEAH. THIS AFFECTS ME PERSONALLY.

ALSO, I'M ALSO TRYING TO REPRESENT ALL OF THE PEOPLE -- SOME ARE AFFECTED A LOT MORE THAN I AM.

YOU'VE GOT THE RISK. WE'VE SEEN ALL THE RISK WE HAVE SEEN FROM FIRES , LOUD MUSIC, EVEN GUNFIRE. WE HAD GUNSHOTS DOWN THERE. THAT WAS WHEN DAN MILLER WAS ACTING CHIEF. HE WENT DOWN THERE. THEY DID FIND BRASS. THERE HAD BEEN GUNSHOTS. THERE WERE PEOPLE FOR A WHILE IN A SIDESHOW.

THAT CAR WAS THERE DAY OR NIGHT FOR WEEKS, POSSIBLY MONTHS.

YOU SEE A PICTURE OF IT DOING LAUNDRY ON THE HOOD OF THE CAR.

>> I GUESS. >> YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER THING. THE FISHERS, WE DON'T MIND THE REAL FISSURES. WE SAW, I GUESS IT WAS A MONTH AGO. WATCHING WHAT WAS GOING ON OVER THERE. THERE WAS A MAN AND A LITTLE KID WHO WERE OUT THERE FISHING. THEY WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME. THEN SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE DROVE UP AND GOT OUT. THIS GUY WAS LOOKING LIKE HE COULD'VE PROBABLY BEEN DRINKING, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING. AND THE MAN AND HIS KID LEFT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT YOUR KID EXPOSED TO THAT KIND OF THING. IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT TO TAKE AWAY ACCESS TO THE LAKE OR PEOPLE WHO USE THE LAKE. IT'S THAT THIS HAS BECOME A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE APPARENTLY FEEL THAT IT IS KIND OF A DEMILITARIZED ZONE WHERE THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT AND GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- THAT'S MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. IT'S NOT A CASE OF, LIKE, YOU KNEW WHAT IT WAS WHEN YOU MOVED THERE.

BECAUSE IT WASN'T LIKE THAT WHEN WE MOVED THERE. IT'S A PUBLIC NUISANCE. AND I THINK IT IS A SAFETY HAZARD. AND A REAL

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RESPECT TO THE CALLS. >> I'VE GOT TO SAY, I REALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH THE COMMENT OF , WE ARE OKAY SPENDING MONEY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE LAKE IN OTHER AREAS, JUST NOT THERE. I REALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A PERSONAL ISSUE FOR YOU AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AROUND YOU. AND A STATEMENT LIKE THAT IS, TO ME, VERY CONTROVERSIAL THE WAY THAT YOU SAID IT. I'VE GOT TO ASK THE QUESTION OF WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE WHEN IT COMES TO ENFORCING THE LAW ON THE LAKE. IF WE DEEM THIS AREA IS COSTING TOO MUCH MONEY TO MAINTAIN ENOUGH HOLES, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE IT. WHAT OTHER AREAS DO WE HOLD THAT SAME STANDARD? ON LIBERTY GROVE, THERE'S A FISHING SPOT ON THE CREEK WHERE LOADS OF PEOPLE PARK ALL THE TIME IN EITHER -- I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S A PIECE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, OR AN AREA WHERE THEY WALK AND FISH IN THE MUDDY CREEK. THEY FISH ALL THE TIME.

THERE'S NO DOUBT THEY LEAVE TRASH AND SHOOT OFF FIREARMS. MANY OF THE SAME ISSUES YOU DESCRIBED , THERE'S JUST NO ONE TO REPORT IT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO HOMES NEARBY. I WOULD EXPECT THIS PEOPLE CAMPING AND DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SO, AT WHAT POINT DO WE BLOCK OFF THAT AREA OR ANY OTHER PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AREAS THAT ARE NOT DESIGNATED AS PARKS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE A NUISANCE AND WE DON'T --

>> SO MY MOVE TO GET MORE ACCESS IS A BAD THING? UNLESS THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE? THIS IS A SIDE OF A ROAD. AND YEAH, JEB, IT IS QUITE PERSONAL TO ME JUST LIKE INAUDIBLE ] IS PERSONAL TO YOU AND YOU BROUGHT UP THINGS THAT YOU ARE. THAT'SWHAT WE SEE. AND I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING SO TERRIBLE ABOUT THAT.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE. I WOULD JUST ADD THINGS ABOUT WINSTAR, THIS IS TAKING ONE AWAY . IN ADDITION TO FISHING FROM THE

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I DON'T KNOW. >> HOW CLOSE ARE THEY?

>> YEAH, THE BACKYARDS ARE LITERALL 5 FEET AWAY FROM

THERE. >> THEY ARE HIGH -- IT'S NOT WHERE THEY COME OVER. PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO CLIMB THAT WALL -- PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM THERE OVER INTO THE BACKYARD.

THIS? OKAY, SO, THIS IS A TOUGH ISSUE. OBVIOUSLY, I WILL ADMIT THAT THERE IS PUBLIC NUISANCE. IT IS PROBABLY NOT A SUSTAINABLE SITUATION. SO I WILL ACCEPT THAT. HAVING SAID THAT, WE ALL HAVE THESE HILLS WE DIE ON. RIGHT? ONE OF THE HILLS I DIE ON IS RESTRICTING PUBLIC ACCESS TO NATURAL RESOURCES. I CAN'T PUT IT ANY CLEARER THAN THAT. I JUST -- MAN, IT HAS TO BE A REASON. I HAVE TALKED WITH CITY LEADERSHIP. I ASKED SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THE QUESTION I ASKED IS, ARE THERE COMPELLING REASONS ON CRIME? THE ANSWER, NO. PUBLIC SAFETY, COMPELLING REASON TO CLOSE IT FROM STAFF? NO. OPERATIONAL? IS THERE AN OPERATIONAL REASON, LIKE I SAID, THAT IS COMPELLING? THE ANSWER, NO. IS THERE A LEGAL OR REGULATORY ISSUE? THIS IS WHERE I GET INTO THE GRAY AREA, BUT NOT REALLY AS I CAN SEE RIGHT NOW. SO, I WILL START WITH THAT. WHAT I REALLY WANT TO GO ON TO IS WHY PEOPLE ARE THERE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S FULLY UNDERSTOOD. THEY SAY, YEAH, GO PARK -- NO FISH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE. THE PROBLEM WITH FISHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE IS NO BIG FISH ARE OVER THERE. YVETTE SENT TWO PICTURES. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T OPENED THEM, OPEN THEM UP. THAT IS WHY PEOPLE ARE FISHING. THAT IS A VERY UNIQUE SPOT. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IT HOLDS BIG CATFISH, TROPHY CATFISH, YOU KNOW, FISH OF A LIFETIME. THE LAKE RECORD IS 43 POUNDS RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THEY CAUGHT A 50 POUND ARE AT THE MARINA THE OTHER DAY. THESE AREN'T EVEN THE BIGGEST. THESE AREN'T EVEN THE BIGGEST FISH. OKAY? SO, WHAT HAPPENS THERE -- I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF HIGH-LEVEL, BUT I KNOW HOW TO FISH. SO, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? YOU HAVE A ROCK STRUCTURE THAT IS GOING ALONG -- IT IS ON THE TOP END OF THE MAIN LAKE. EVERYTHING BEHIND IS ON THE NORTHLAKE. I AM ON THE MAIN LAKE. YOU HAVE THE CHANNEL THAT GOES DOWN UNDERNEATH MILLER. WHAT YOU ARE GETTING, YOU HAVE A SOUTH FACING ROCK STRUCTURE. YOU HAVE A CHANNEL THAT GOES OUT TO THE MAIN LAKE. YOU GET THE SOUTH WINDS. ALL THIS DOES IS IT CAUSES THE SHAD TO MOVE UP THERE. OKAY?

>> WHAT? >> THE FISH IN OUR LEG ARE FEATURED SHAD. THAT IS THE FORAGE FISH IN OUR LAKE.

EVERYTHING IN THERE, INCLUDING THESE BIG CATFISH. THAT'S WHAT THESE CATFISH DO. THEY FOLLOW THE SHAD. THE SHAD ARE NOT OVER AT LAKESIDE PARK. THEY ARE NOT AT THE PAVILION. THE SHAD ARE OFF THE ROCKS PARTICULARLY AT THE FAR END. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GUYS WHO ARE FISHING, THEY ARE WORKING-CLASS GUYS. THEY DON'T HAVE BOATS. YOU SAID , THE REAL FISHERMAN, YOU CAN SPOT THEM. THEY GET SPECIALIZED RODS TO USE OUT THERE. BIG CAT FISHING RODS, THEY USE HEAVY CATFISH BAITS. I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM DO DRONES. THEY GET THEM OUT THERE --

>> I WAS READING -- >> -- YEAH, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE FISHING FOR. THIS IS A UNIQUE SPOT. I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER SPOT ON THE LAKE WHERE A BANK ANGLER, A GUY WITHOUT A BOAT, WORKING-CLASS GUY CAN GO OUT WITH HIS KIDS AND HAVE A LEGITIMATE CHANCE OF CATCHING A 40 POUND CATFISH. THAT IS A LIFETIME CATFISH. THEY CAN DO IT RIGHT THERE. IF THIS WOULD JUST GO FISH SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ARGUMENT IF IT WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THERE IS MORE GOING ON THERE THAN JUST THE PUBLIC NUISANCE PART. YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO THAT. YOU KNOW THERE ARE FISH. SO I GOT TO -- THIS JUST KIND OF SUMS IT UP. THIS SUMS UP MY EMAIL FROM EARLIER. HE IS --I'M ONE OF PEOPLE WHO ENJOYS FISHING HERE.

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WHATEVER IT MAY BE, IF IT BECOMES PART OF OUR SYSTEM, IT BECOMES PROOF FOR WHAT WE DO WITH IT, IT GIVES US MORE CONTROL. THE ZONE KIND OF IS KNOWN AS THAT. I KNOW THE POLICE DROP BY THERE AND STUFF. IT'S JUST THAT ONE STEP. THEN WE CAN LOOK. OKAY, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN TRULY MAKE THIS BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, CATFISH POINT, RIGHT? NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE FOR YOU. YOU KNOW? IS THIS A SPOT WHERE WE CAN MAKE IT TO BE AN AMENITY WHAT IT IS. PEOPLE CAN EASILY ACCESS DEEP WATER IN THE LAKE.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS. WE DON'T GET TO -- SPLASH WITH EVERYTHING. I'VE BEEN THIS GUY. THIS GUY -- YOU KNOW? WE TALK ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANTTHEY ARE, HOW FUNDAMENTAL THEY ARE. THE OTHER SIDE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS IS ACCESS RESTRICTION. IN TEXAS, YOU KNOW? I LOVE TEXAS BUT, YOU WANT 100 FISH IN TEXAS, YOU BETTER HAVE MONEY, A FRIEND WHO HAS A RANCH OR A BOAT, BY A BOAT OR WHATEVER.

ACCESS IS A HUGE, HUGE PROBLEM. TAKE A SPOT THAT HAS SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW? THIS IS 4 FEET OF WATER. PEOPLE ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS. THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. THIS IS A THING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK IT -- I THINK IT DOES CHANGE THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT.

AND MAKING THE FINAL DECISION AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO PUT UP A FENCE. WE CANNOT. WE CAN'T -- YOU KNOW? WE CAN'T MANAGE IT -- YOU KNOW? -- FOR ALL CITIZENS OF THE CITY. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, ME, PERSONALLY, I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT BE FENCED IN RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE A SEAT AT THIS COUNCIL TO DISCUSS WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. IF THE OPTIONS ARE TO TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY, WHAT RAMIFICATION DOES THAT HAVE? BAD IDEA, GOOD IDEA? I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION

BEFORE WE CIRCLED THE FENCE. >> THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE CALLS HERE, IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN SEVEN THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE AREA. THE OTHERS ARE DUIS , A GUY THAT HAS FLAGGED DOWN AN OFFICER BECAUSE HE WANTED TO SHOW THE FISH HE GOT.

>> SINKINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD PUT A CANOE ON GRAVEL. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE LAKE AND NOT THIS PUBLIC AREA. AND, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THOSE CALLS THAT ARE LEGITIMATE. YOU HAVE THE CAMPFIRES THAT ARE CREATED.

AND THOSE NUISANCE CALLS. WE GET NUISANCE CALLS OVER THE CITY. I'M NOT SAYING BECAUSE OF THAT WE SHOULD IGNORE THIS.

OBVIOUSLY, IF INDIVIDUALS ARE WITNESSING NUISANCE ISSUES, LOUD MUSIC , CRIMINAL MISCHIEF , YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS

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SO I WILL STOP RIGHT THERE. YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> AND I FEEL LIKE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INVESTING MONEY IN LAND. THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY THE WAY I WOULD FRAME IT. TO ME, WE ARE INVESTING MONEY IN PEOPLE -- IT'S NOT LAND, IT'S PEOPLE. PEOPLE DOING ACTIVITIES. YOU KNOW? MAYBE THIS TELLS THEM, YOU KNOW, RELEASE THEIR WORK STRESS? MAYBE IT HELPS THEM GET FOOD. IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT I THINK IS REALLY INVALUABLE. SO, I WOULD -- I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU. THIS IS A HILL. AND CERTAINLY -- I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS I HAVE WORKED HERE FOR A LONG TIME. AND THAT'S THE WAY I GO TO WORK , GO, AND GO HOME. SO I HAVE BEEN ON THAT ROAD 1500 TIMES. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF TIMES I HAVE SEEN LITTLE KIDS AND PEOPLE, FAMILIES OUT THERE. AND CERTAINLY, COUNCILMEMBER, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS ALWAYS THE BOTTOM 10% THAT IS GOING TO BE A NUISANCE, IT'S GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM. BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN LEGISLATE JUST ABOUT THAT BOTTOM 10%. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE PART OF IT , PART OF OUR SOCIETY, HAVING ACCESS TO THE LAKE , HAVING ACCESS TO THE WATER JUST TO SIT AND LISTEN TO IT AGAINST THE ROCKS. I THINK IT IS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE. SO I AGREE WITH THE

COUNCILMEMBER. >> I AGREE WITH, JUST, WE WANT TO GET ACCESS TO THE LAKE. DO YOU THINK IT MATTERS MORE TO? THE PERSON WHO GOES FOUR TIMES A YEAR OR TWICE A YEAR TO FISH, OR THE PEOPLE IN THE 5 TO 10% EVERY SINGLE DAY? THERE IS A BALANCE. FOLKS TIME. IS IT NIGHTTIME? IS THERE A WAY TO SHUT IT DOWN? I DON'T THINK FISHING IS THE BEST. BUT NIGHTTIME, DUSK TO DAWN, CAN WE KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE CONTROLS COME BY, OR KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THERE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT DURING THE DAY ? NOT REGION WITH A BIG BONFIRE AND KEG PARTY? I WOULD KIND OF BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

>> WELL, AT NIGHTTIME, WE CAN AT LEAST KEEP PEOPLE AWAY.

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>> I DON'T KNOW WHEN FISHING IS --

>> YEAH, YOU CAN'T FISH AT NIGHT. I WILL POINT OUT ONE THING. THEY HAD A FEW MORE CALLS LAST YEAR. THE LAKE IS OPEN. THE BEACH IS GONE. RIGHT?

>> NO, THE BEACH ISN'T GONE. >> WELL, THERE AIN'T MUCH OF IT. THE WATER WAS PRETTY MUCH -- THERE IS MUCH LESS OF IT THAN THERE WAS ALL THE WAY OUT THERE.

PEOPLE AROUND IT. I'M JUST GOING OUT THAT COMMENT. YOU ARE RIGHT. I AM NOT SYMPATHETIC. IT CAN'T GO ON THE WAY IT IS.

I WANT TO PREFACE EVERYTHING WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM HAS TO BE FIXED. BUT I'M NOT SURE RIGHT AT THIS MINUTE

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE CITY? IN THE DALLAS CODE IN SECTION 32-75, FISHING PROHIBITED IN CERTAIN AREAS, IT SAYS, NO PERSON SHALL FISH IN THE FOLLOWING WATER AREAS OF THE LAKE. NUMBER ONE, FROM ANY HIGHWAY BRIDGE, STRUCTURE OR APPROACH . WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A BRIDGE APPROACH? DALLAS SUPERSEDED JURISDICTION TO US IN THAT AREA.

>> BUT DOESN'T THAT ALSO REQUIRE THAT WE -- THAT WE

ENFORCE THEIR ROAD -- >> SOME.

>> BECAUSE THIS SPECIFICALLY PERTAINS TO LIBRARY HUBBARD. IT SAYS LAKE. IT MEANS THE WATERS

OF THE LAKE. >> I THINK THAT MEANS MORE TOWARDS NOT INFRINGING TRAFFIC. THAT HAS KIND OF BEEN BUILT UP

OVER TIME. >>

>> IT'S NOT INFRINGING ACCESS TO THE BRIDGE. BECAUSE YOU COULD CLEARLY GO OFF WITH 30 OR 40 FEET.

>> YEAH. IT IS NOT. IT IS NOT --

>> YEAH. I'M NOT FOR FISHING OFF -- I BELIEVE YOUR POINTS WILL TAKE -- I JUST WISH WE COULD DO SOMETHING. WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, EITHER NIGHT AFTER NIGHT OR WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND. -- 24/7

-- >> I AM NOT SAYING THAT, TOO.

I'M NOT SAYING MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE GREAT THE WAY IT IS, ABSOLUTELY NOT. I THINK THERE ARE STEPS WE CAN TAKE TO MAKE IT A LEGITIMATE PARK WHERE LEGITIMATE PEOPLE ARE DOING

LEGITIMATE THINGS. >> PLEASE, I WAS GOING TO ASK

YOU -- >> HERE IS MY ONE CENT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE MAJORITY OF YOU DON'T FAVOR FENCING AT ALL. SO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT I'M ALSO HEARING A STRONG SENTIMENT RESPECTING SOME OF THE NUISANCE THAT IS OCCURRING AND THE INCONVENIENCES AFFECTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS. I DON'T HAVE ANY USES AT THIS TABLE. OF COURSE, I AM HAPPY TO SIT IN STAFF, PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH AND REPORT BACK TO YOU.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO THAT.

>> HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> AND A QUICK COMMENT, TOO, THE FEATURE REALLY HAS NO ASSOCIATION FOR THE WHOLE FISHING PART. THAT'S -- I MEAN --

>> I WILL TREAT YOU ALL IS ONE. >> YOU COULD PHYSICALLY

SEPARATE -- >> THE REMEDY THAT WILL MAKE IT SAFE FOR US, WE WILL TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THE WHOLE THING AND SEE WHAT THAT IS. I DON'T WANT TO PROMISE SOMETHING THAT I PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO DELIVER. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS. WE LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE GEOGRAPHY, WHERE IT'S LOCATED, AND ADJACENY TO THE PUMP STATION, NOT THE PUMP STATION, THE LIFT STATION. THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS. I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS. WE WON'T COMMIT TO ANY SITTING HERE EXCEPT WE WILL ABSENTLY GO BACK, TALK, BRAINSTORM, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS RIGHT.

INAUDIBLE ] >> TOPIC CAME UP, I REACHED OUT TO OUR CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY TO GET A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PARK AT THIS SPACE IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE DECIDED TO GO AT SOME POINT. TO PARK IT, THE CODE OF ORDINANCE DEFINES A CITY PARK AS ANY AREA DESIGNATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AS A CITY PARK UPON RECOMMENDATION TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD WHO I

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FRANKLY, I DON'T SEE -- >> SO THERE WOULD BE NO

ELECTION? >> THERE WOULD NOT BE AN

ELECTION -- >>

>> RIGHT. SO, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE -- IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REFERENDUM PROCESS TO DEPART IT IN FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. IF WE WENT DOWN THE ROAD NOT PARKING IT, NOT SAYING THAT'S THE ANSWER, OBVIOUSLY

-- >> THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT RESEARCH, OBVIOUSLY. THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. IF COUNCIL WERE TO, IN THE FUTURE, MAKE A PARK, OR FUTURE ABILITY TO HAVE THE BRIDGE WIDENED, RIGHT , AND -- THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY -- ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS WAS IF IT REQUIRED A REFERENDUM TO PARK IT, WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT.

>> BUT -- >> I MEAN, A PUBLIC MEETING IS TASTEFUL WHEN WE ARE HAVING TO D PARK SOMETHING. THAT IS THE MINIMUM IN ANY CASE. ANYWAYS, THANKS.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT? THE ONE SAVING GRACE IS THERE IS A INAUDIBLE ] ON THIS WHOLE PROBLEM. IT WILL GO AWAY WHEN THE WHOLE ROAD IS HAPPEN, THE FASTER

>> SO, DEB IS GOING TO WORK REALLY HARD

INAUDIBLE ] >> WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUE

INAUDIBLE ] >> YEAH, SO, SO, THE COUNCILMEMBER HERE BROUGHT UP ANOTHER POINT PREVIOUSLY. THAT IS, I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER -- IS THIS -- AND THIS MIGHT HAVE TO REQUIRE SOME DILIGENCE AND RESEARCH.

USUALLY, THERE IS A BRIDGE STRUCTURE OR BRIDGE CAUSEWAY AGAINST THE AREA ADJACENT TO IT IF IT IS A LAND CAUSEWAY, RIGHT? IS THAT CONSIDERED TAKE LINE? IS IT NOT CONSIDERED TAKE LINE? IS IT JUST PART OF THE BRIDGE? THAT'S WHERE WAS KIND OF -- YOU KNOW -- BECAUSE HERE, YOU COUD MAYBE ARGUE

THAT'S NOT TAKE LINE? >>

>> I THINK I WOULD HESITATE TO GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER TONIGHT. RIGHT? I THINK IT PUTS US IN A VERY COMPROMISED POSITION TO DO THAT. I THINK THE THING I NEEDED TO HEAR FROM THIS BODY WAS, DID YOU WANT ME TO CLOSE THIS THING OFF? THERE'S A CLEAR ANSWER THAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. WE WILL COME BACK ONCE WE PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER, TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS. NOT HEARING A STRONG PUSH TO MAKE IT A PARK YET. BUT WE WILL BE BACK AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN COME UP WITH ANSWERS FOR YOUR ADDITIONAL MEMBERS.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> AND LET ME ADDRESS THE COUNCILMEMBER. THAT PROVISION ACTUALLY IS ONE THAT ROWLETT IS CHARGED WITH ENFORCING, WHETHER THAT FISHING WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE FROM A HIGHWAY BRIDGE STRUCTURE OR THE APPROACH TO A BRIDGE STRUCTURE, I DON'T KNOW. IT IS I DON'T KNOW HOW FISHING WORKS. IF IT

[4. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR MARCH 19, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. TAKE ANY NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE ACTION ON CLOSED/EXECUTIVE SESSION MATTERS ]

>> THAT CAN BE PART OF THE GENTLEMAN'S PROCESS.

>> ALL OF IT IS. >> PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. GREAT.

SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME RESEARCH TO DO BEFORE WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND WE CAN MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION WHERE WE GO NEXT. ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING. YOU WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? OKAY?

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