May 20, 2024 City Council Work Session

[3A. Presentation by American Golf Corporation regarding Waterview Golf Course Operations]

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THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND I AM JOINED BY BRIAN WILLARD, VP OF OPERATIONS MANAGER. I HAVE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO KING, I WORKED WITH KING FOR 20+ YEARS AND WE ARE VERY VERY FORTUNATE THAT HE AGREED TO MAKE THE MOVE THE END OF LAST OCTOBER. WE ARE ALREADY SEEING RESULTS IN PLAYER CONDITIONS, PLAYER PARTICIPATION AND THE TRAJECTORY FOR REVENUE SO THANK YOU, KING, FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, AMERICAN GOLF AND THE RESIDENCE. AS CHRIS MENTIONED, WE ARE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP HERE WITH THE CITY OF ROWLETT SINCE 1969.

50 YEARS NOW AND ARE THE LARGEST SEGMENT OF OUR BUSINESS IS OPERATING GOLF COURSES ON THE MUNICIPALITIES . WE OPERATE THROUGH A LONG-TERM LEASE AND WE PAY TO THE CITY WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY EQUAL TO A BOND PAYMENT ON THE ORIGINAL DEBT WHEN THE GOLF COURSE WAS CONSTRUCTED. OVER THE LEASE TERM AMERICAN GOLF HAS INVESTED $10 MILLION IN THE OPERATION INCLUDING THE $2.2 MILLION BOND DEBT FOR EARLY PAYOFF. WE RECOGNIZE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THE SUCCESS OF WATERVIEW. THE PRIMARY STAKEHOLDERS CITY OF ROWLETT AND ITS RESIDENTS REPRESENTED BY YOU ALL, CITY COUNCIL AND YOUR GOLF ADVISORY TEAM. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE WATERVIEW HOME ASSOCIATION, OUR NEIGHBORS , AND THOSE FOLKS HIS RESIDENCE ON THE GOLF COURSE CERTAINLY HAVE A HIGH INTEREST IN SUCCESS AND THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY. OF COURSE AMERICAN GOLF AS THE OPERATOR KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. THERE BEEN GOOD TIMES AND BAD TIMES IN EVERY RELATIONSHIPS. THERE IS BEEN

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>> OUR GOALS ARE TO MAINTAIN AND GROW WATERVIEW IS A VALUABLE COMMUNITY ASSET AND STRIVE TO BE THE BEST GOLFING EXPERIENCE FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. WE WILL NOT SUGARCOAT THE ISSUE. LAST YEAR WAS A TREMENDOUS CHALLENGE FOR US TO DELIVER ON THOSE GOALS. LAST YEAR'S EXTREME DROUGHT, 60 DAYS ABOVE HUNDRED DEGREE TEMPERATURES, A DEFICIT AND NUMEROUS IRRIGATION LINE BREAKS THROUGH SOIL SETTLING ON THE GOLF PROPERTY, HAD OUR TEAMS WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK TO KEEP THE GOLF COURSE SURVIVING . THE TEAM DID A TREMENDOUS JOB KEEPING UP THE MAIN LINE BREAKS. THE NUMBER ONE GOAL WAS TO ENSURE DROUGHT. WE GOT THROUGH IT, WE ARE ON AN UPSWING AND WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE GROWING SEASON TO ADDRESS THE DROUGHT STRESS THAT THE GOLF COURSE EXPERIENCED. WATERVIEW HAS A NUMBER OF TALENTS AS WE JUST DISCUSSED, WE HAVE HAD PERIODIC DROUGHTS, SOME WORSE THAN OTHERS. LAST YEAR WAS PARTICULARLY BAD. THE DROUGHTS ARE EXACERBATED BY THE PROPERTIES SOIL MAKEUP, THE CLAY BASE AND THE SILT CLAY SOIL CAUSES CRACKING AND SETTLES. WHEN THINGS GET DRY OUT THERE THE GROUND ACTUALLY CRACKS LIKE A DESERT WOULD BECAUSE OF THE MAKEUP OF THE SOIL THAT WE ARE OPERATING ON OUT THERE. DROUGHTS ARE PARTICULAR CHALLENGE TO US AND THE MAINLINE BRINKS -- BREAK SET US BACK LAST YEAR. WE ARE LOSING PRESSURE ON THE MAINLINES BUT THE TEAM WAS ABLE TO GET OUT THERE AND TAKE CARE OF THAT GET US THROUGH IT. SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE A LESS SEVERE SUMMER THE SUMMER. WE ALSO DEAL WITH WINTER FREEZES IN WINTER KILL DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE WEATHER IN THE WINTER. IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE TYPE OF TURF THAT WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY. AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, GRASS IS ONE OF THE UNFORTUNATE THINGS WE DEAL WITH THEN OUR INDUSTRY, AND UNDESIRABLE GRASS , THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PRE-EMERGENT AVAILABLE. IF THERE WAS A PRE-EMERGENT WE WOULD BE ALL OVER APPLYING THAT IN THE FALL AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT THE CASE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT ON AN ONGOING BASIS WITH POST-EMERGENT THINGS WHICH IS TIME-CONSUMING AND CAN HAVE SCARS ON THE GOLF COURSE FOR A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER IT'S BEEN TREATED AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK IN AND ERROR RATE IN THE BERMUDA WILL THEN FILL IN WHERE THE OTHER GRASS WAS KILLED OFF. IT'S AN ONGOING CHALLENGE FOR US AND AN ONGOING CHALLENGE FOR A LOT OF GOLF COURSES IN THE AREA. WATERVIEW IS ALSO A LARGER GOLF COURSE THAN TYPICAL IN TERMS OF MAINTAINABLE TO MAINTAIN UP THERE. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR TYPICAL GOLF COURSE IN CALIFORNIA OR THE NORTHEAST EVEN IN PARTS OF FLORIDA IS REALLY GOING TO BE ABOUT 140 250 ACRES SO THERE IS A LOT OF ACREAGE THERE TO BE MAINTAINED WHICH INCREASES THE COST. OUR ANNUAL OPERATING COST IS ABOUT $2.4 MILLION A YEAR WHICH IS NOW THANKFULLY JUST ABOUT EQUAL TO WHAT OUR REVENUE

IS. >> WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS ON THE CHALLENGES . WE HAVE COMPLETED A NUMBER OF PROJECTS TO GET THE PROPERTY INTO A CONDITION CLOSER TO WHAT WE ALL WOULD EXPECT COMING OUT OF DORMANCY WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. WE INSTALLED A NEW MAINTENANCE AREA WE DID CUT THE GREENS TO IMPROVE THE SURFACES AND

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WE ARE GROWING PARTICIPATION AT WATERVIEW. THIS IS DESPITE OUR CHALLENGES WITH THE DROUHT. WE ARE GROWING PARTICIPATION RECORD ROUNDS AND PARTICIPATION. IN 2023, EVEN WITH THE DROUGHT, WE DID OVER 45,000 ROUNDS. THAT IS THE MOST WATERVIEW HAS EVER DONE. WE WILL BE AT 45 THOUSAND AND 2024,IT WILL BE SLIGHTLY LESS THEN IN 2023 PRIMARILY DUE TO THE RAIN EVENTS WE HAD IN THE FIRST QUARTER SO WE LOST SOME PLAYABLE DAYS IN THE FIRST QUARTER BUT KEEPING THE ROUNDS UP OVER 45,000 IS A GOAL OF OURS AND WE ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT. TO PUT ALL THIS IN PERSPECTIVE , REVENUE IS JUST OVER $2 MILLION IN 2022 FOR THE YEAR. LAST YEAR IN 2023 IT WAS JUST UNDER 2.5 MILLION AND IN 2024 WE WILL BE AT 2.5 MILLION SO THE GROWTH IS MATERIALIZING AT WATERVIEW AND I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE MUCH GROWTH AHEAD OF US. WE ARE ALSO GROWING COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION AND ONGOING OFFENSE AT WATERVIEW. WE ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO UTILIZE OUR CAFÉ, OUR EVENT SPACE, OUR BUILDING, AND OUR OUTDOOR PATIO. THIS SLIDE SHOWS EXAMPLES OF THE EVENTS WE HAVE CURRENTLY BUT.

WE DO WEDDING REHEARSALS AND GRADUATION PARTIES. TODAY ACTUALLY THERE ARE EVENTS AT THE FACILITY AND WE EVEN HOSTED THE LIFE EVENT WITH HEALTH LINE SCREENING FOR SOME STROKE AND CARDIOVASCULAR SCREENING AT THAT FACILITY. ADDITIONALLY WE HOST CREATIVE EVENT SUCH AS, YOU SEE THE FLYER UP THERE , WEEKLY FIRST RESPONSE OR ZEN MILITARY GOLF TOURNAMENT AND WE ALSO HOST MULTIPLE HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS FOR PRACTICE AND HOME MATCHES INCLUDING GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE AND CONTINUE TO GROW PARTICIPATION AND IN DOING SO, CONTINUING TO GROW ROUNDS. IN DOING SO, WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE, WE WANT TO DO IT AS WE HAVE BEEN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS. I THINK IF WE CAN BUILD ON OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, WITH THE HLA , THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL OF US TO COLLABORATE ON SHARED PROJECTS AND COMMON GOALS. THERE MAY BE SOME PROJECTS THAT THE HLA FEEL STRONGLY OF AND IT MAY BENEFIT THE GOLF COURSE A LITTLE BIT BUT MAYBE NOT THAT MUCH THAT WE CAN ALL PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT EQUITABLY AND GO ABOUT IT AND LIKEWISE, AS IT RELATES TO GOLF COURSE PROJECTS, IT COULD BENEFIT THE HLA AS WELL. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO COLLABORATE ON SHARED PROJECTS AND OUR SHARED GOALS OF MAKING

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>> I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KING OR MYSELF OR BRIAN. AGAIN THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE OURSELVES AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON AT WATERVIEW. A LOT OF GREAT THINGS HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, THERE IS BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT ACTIVITY OUT THERE AND I THINK A LOT MORE IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. OUR PARTICULAR STRAIN OF GRASS LOVES THE HUNDRED DEGREE TEMPERATURES SO THIS IS GOOD

FOR THIS FACILITY. >>

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU MENTIONED THE WATERVIEW HLA. I SHOULD KNOW THIS BUT I DON'T, DOES THE HLA CONTRIBUTE AT ALL MONETARILY TO THE GOLF COURSE?

>> NO. >> I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THAT.

COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT'S TITLED PROGRESS? ALL OF THESE THINGS I ASSUME BUT I DON'T LIKE TO ASSUME BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT ASSUMPTIONS DO. I ASSUME THESE ARE ALL PAID FOR BY YOU GUYS OR DOES THE CITY PAY FOR PART OF IT?

>> YES ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE PAID.

>> SO THAT'S PART OF THE 10 MILLION?

>> THAT'S ABOVE 10 MILLION, AS OF LAST YEAR.

>> THANK YOU. >> TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE SOD PROJECTS ARE ABOUT $46,000, THE LANDSCAPING IS ANOTHER $17,000 AND THE BATHROOM REPLACEMENT IS ANOTHER

$42,000. >> THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION IN ADVANCE, ARE THOSE REVENUE-GENERATING EVENTS? DO THEY RENT THAT, DO THEY PAY RENTAL?

>> MOST DO BUT A NUMBER HAVE A DISCOUNTED RENTAL.

>> WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS WHETHER OUR ROLE AT GROUP OF CITIZENS PAY THE SAME AS THE OUT-OF-TOWN ONES OR HOW DOES

THAT WORK? >> THE HIGH SCHOOL DOES NOT PAY

TO USE THE GOLF COURSE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE LOCAL RILE IT CITY? ALL OF THIS TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY ARE PAYING FOR TAXES THAT GO TOWARD HELPING MAINTAIN THIS AND WATERVIEW HLA IS NOT CONTRIBUTING APPARENTLY. OKAY, I WONDERED ABOUT THAT. THANK

YOU, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. >> WE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER

ADVISORY. >> ROUNDS GOING DOWN

INAUDIBLE ] >> ROUNDS ARE GOING UP.

>> YOU SAID YOU WERE EXPECTING ROUNDS TO BE UNDER?

>> ONLY BY 1000 ROUNDS SO WE ARE KEEPING THEM UP TOWARD

45,000. >> IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR RATES

WILL EXCEED. >>

>> WHO ELSE? >> I DO, I'M JUST WAITING TO

SET THE TABLE HERE. >> WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD.

>> YOU QUOTED IT IN YOUR SLIDESHOW. TO PROVIDE BEST IN EXPERIENCE FOR CITY RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. WHAT DOES IT MEAN

TO YOU AND AMERICAN GOLF? >> A GOOD VALUE FOR THE PRICE SO YOU KNOW WE ARE ABOUT $59 AROUND NOW. WE PROBABLY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT UP TO $69 OR $70 NOW. NOT EVERYBODY PAYS THAT BECAUSE WHILE THERE IS A LOWER PRICE AND WE DAYS. BUT YET BEING COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER GOTTEN DWARFED OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE OF THESE HUNDRED AND $50 GOLF COURSES AND I WOULD ARGUE AND $89 GOLF COURSE IS INAUDIBLE ] BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR.

>> WHAT TIER OUR CLASS ARE WE END, I KNOW ALMOST NOTHING

ABOUT A GOLF COURSE. >> ARE WE $10 SHORT?

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>> PROBABLY ABOUT $15 BELOW BUFFALO CREEK.

ARE JUST BELOW THAT GOLF COURSE.

>> YOU TALKED AT THE END ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS IN TERMS OF GROWING GROWTH AND GROWING ROUNDS AND REVENUE BUT WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE FOR WATERVIEW GOLF COURSE?

>> WELL A NUMBER OF THINGS BUT THE NUMBER ONE SUCCESSES IT CAN ACTUALLY SELF SUSTAIN ITSELF. WE HAVE NEVER MADE A PROVOST. I THINK -- I DON'T THINK WE MADE A PROFIT. WE USED TO USE $.5 MILLION PLUS. NUMBER ONE, IT NEEDS TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING FOR NOT JUST THE OPERATOR BUT THE OWNER AND IT IS SELF-SUSTAINING BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING THE BOND. BEYOND THAT I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO GROW THE RATE. THE GREAT THING HAPPENING AROUND HERE RIGHT NOW IS THE MARKET HAS CAUGHT UP TO THE NUMBER OF GOLF COURSES THAT ARE OUT THERE. WE KIND OF THOUGHT FOR FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE WOULD BE HITTING ON ALL CYLINDERS AND THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH POPULATION OUT HERE FOR THE COMPETITION AND SUPPLY. IT'S 14 OR 15 YEARS LATE BUT NOW IT IS STARTING TO HAPPEN. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT.

>> WHEN YOU SAY SUCCESS, WHEN YOU SAY SUCCESS I LOOK AT IT AS BEING AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THE HLA AND HOMEOWNERS WANT TO MAKE SURE AND THEIR HOME VALUES WILL GO UP, WE PUT A LOT OF TIME EFFORT AND MONEY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND WHEN I GOT HERE IN NOVEMBER I WAS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED AND THAT WE DID THE UPGRADING OF THE BATHROOMS. JUST THE BASIC THINGS THAT I KNOW IS APPRECIATED WHEN YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT OR ANYWHERE YOU GO YOU WANT TO BE WELCOMED AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A NICE PLACE TO EAT FUN WHERE YOU CAN COME WITH YOUR KIDS. WE HAVE TWO INSTRUCTORS AT A GOLF COURSE WITH THE KIDS AND ALSO THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE HIGH SCHOOLERS. WE ALSO HAVE GOLF TOURNAMENTS AT OUR GOLF COURSE SO WE DO A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I AM SAYING WORKING WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD I APPRECIATE EVERY COMMENT THEY GAVE ME IN THE LAST MONTHS BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WENT OUT TO THE GOLF COURSE AND ASK IF WE ARE THERE YET, ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE, YES.

INAUDIBLE ] IF I'M GOING TO REPRESENT THE GOLF COURSE FOR AMERICAN GOLF I'LL DO IT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. I WANT THE EQUIPMENT, STAFF THE GOLF COURSE WILL BE BETTER I PROMISE YOU THAT. IT WILL IMPROVE EACH AND EVERY ONE THERE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, WE WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO THE HLA AND HAVE A MEETING THERE BUT ALSO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE HAVE THERE, LET'S SAY WE DO A COMMUNITY GATHER FOR THEM AND WE HAVE A MOTHER'S DAY BRUNCH OR SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO TOUCH THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE WE WANT TO BE BETTER IN THE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO EVERYBODY TOGETHER.

THE CITY AND THEY ACTUALLY AND HELP FROM THE ADVISORY BOARD AND ONCE WE ARE ALTOGETHER

WE'RE HERE TO DO. >> I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT'S VERY HELP FULL. IN TERMS OF YOU MENTIONED THE BRAKES THE WATER BREAKS YOU HAD DURING THE DROUGHT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY

YOU HAD TO HAVE REPAIRED? >> I THINK IT WAS 25. TELL ME

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HAVE VERSUS THOSE. >> OUR SOUL IS VERY MUCH LIKE THE BALLFIELD HERE IN THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW, IS EXPANDING CLAY WE HAVE HERE. IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME ON ANY PUBLIC COURSE. THEY MADE IT A PRIVATE COURSE AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE PROCESS AND STUFF. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT AND IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO US AND

>> YOU ARE CORRECT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE AN EXCUSE WHEN EVERY CHORUS HAS THE SAME ISSUES. IF THERE'S A LEGITIMATE ISSUE WE ARE HAVING BUT IF WE HAVE THE SAME SOIL ANOTHER COURSE HOUSE AND THEY ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN BETTER THAN WE ARE THAT IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE TO ME ANYMORE. I FOLLOW THE WATERVIEW HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION NEIGHBORHOOD PAGE ON FACEBOOK AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE COURSE. WITH THAT BEING SAID THERE WAS A POST YESTERDAY COMPLEMENTING ON THE QUALITY IMPROVEMENT, THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. THERE ARE PHOTOS ON THERE THAT SPEAK VOLUMES TO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. THERE WAS A MENTION OF MARSHALING EFFORTS AND THERE WAS A PICTURE OF GOLF CARTS ON THE GREEN. HOW MANY MARSHALS DO WE HAVE ON THE COURSE AT ANY TIME AND HOW DO WE BETTER CONTROL POPULATION USING THIS COURSE AND MAKE SURE THEY RESPECTED.

>> TO DEAL WITH TOGETHER. IT'S THE SAME THING WHEN YOU SEE A SPEED LIMIT OF 55 MILES AN HOUR. PEOPLE WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. ALL WE WANT TO DO IS MONITOR AND GET THE PEOPLE BACK WHERE WE WANT THEM TO GO. WE HAVE ROVERS OUT THERE ON WEEKENDS THEY ROAM AROUND THE GOLF COURSE BUT WHEN YOU ARE COVERING THAT MUCH TERRITORY BY THE TIME THE MESSAGE GETS BAD TO US, I DIDN'T KNOW, I'M SORRY, IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. ALL WE CAN DO IS JUST LET THEM KNOW , HEY, YOU ARE DISRUPTING OTHER GOLFERS ON THE GOLF COURSE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE GOLF COURSE IS AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT CAN BE CLOSE

>> THAT MAKES SENSE, THE LAST QUESTION IS A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR CARE BECAUSE I LIKE TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED FOLLOWING THE DROUGHT HAD THE CITY NOT PUT PRESSURE ON AMERICAN GOLF TO GET THIS FIXED. WOULD WE BE IN A SIMILAR POSITION WITH A SIMILAR CONDITION ON THE COURSE AND NOT BE WORK BEING DRAMATICALLY ON MAKING IMPROVEMENTS . WHAT IS A LONG-TERM SOLUTION SO THERE IS A FIX AND THERE'S MAINTENANCE

ON A MUCH LONGER-TERM BASIS? >> WE WOULD'VE BEEN ON IT.

SOME OF THOSE PICTURES WHEN THEY REPORT WAS PUBLISHED, THOSE CRACKS HAD RECEDED BECAUSE THE DROUGHT HAD LIFTED BUT WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO SOLDER GREENS SO WE OPTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE GOT THROUGH DORMANCY AND WE ARE RIGHT ON IT

WITH THE WARM TEMPERATURES. >> LOOK, WE HAVE A REPUTATION , IT'S GOING TO BE MORE MONEY COMING OUT OF OUR POCKET TO SUBSIDIZE THE OPERATION SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY VERY HARD TO FIND THE SWEET SPOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DEALING TO PROVIDE THE RIGHT PRODUCT GROW THE ROUNDS AND GROW THE RATE AND HOPEFULLY MAKE MONEY ALONG THE WAY WHILE PROVIDING A GREAT GOLF EXPERIENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GUESTS.

>> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK

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>> AT THAT TIME? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW WE GOT HERE. SO THAT WAS THE REPORT AND THAT'S WHEN I STARTED ASSERTING MYSELF. I'LL START WITH THAT.

JUST A COUPLE THINGS , GUYS, I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND BEAT YOU UP HERE YOU GUYS ARE IN BUSINESS AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS. SO, THIS IS A UNIQUE CHALLENGE.

PERIODIC ROCKS, WINTER FREEZES, CLAY SOILS AND THE LARGE ACREAGE, THOSE FIRST THREE ARE NOT UNIQUE CHALLENGES. THAT'S GROWING TURFGRASS IN DALLAS, TEXAS, THAT IS NOT UNIQUE. THE FILE THAT WE SO GREATLY MISSED THE MARK LAST YEAR, TO EVEN -- I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO IT. LET'S KIND OF TAKE THAT UNIQUE CHALLENGE BECAUSE I'M REALLY NOT LOGGING OUT DOWN. IT GETS US TO WHERE WE ARE AT, I THINK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING, I REALLY THINK YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT PLAY. YOU SAID THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET IS $2.4 MILLION?

>> YES. >> WHAT OF THAT IS ACTUALLY YOUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ON STAFF INCLUDING THE SUPERINTENDENT?

>> IT SHOULD BE 13 . >> 13 PEOPLE, THAT INCLUDES THE SUPERINTENDENT? DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT THE ACTUAL GOLF MAINTENANCE BUDGET SEPARATE FROM THE CLUBHOUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS OUT OF THAT $2.4 MILLION?

>> IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE BECAUSE IF IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER THAT'S A GOOD THING.

MAYBE WE NEED TO DEPLOY RESOURCES BETTER BUT IF YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE $200,000 OPERATING BUDGET I'M GOING TO SAY WE BETTER ENOUGH MONEY BEING SPENT ON IT AND GRANTED I KNOW, I PLAYED GOLF FOR A LONG TIME, YOU ARE A FOR-PROFIT COMPANY, I GET THAT AND I WANT YOU TO MAKE A PROFIT. I WANT YOU TO MAKE A PROFIT ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF AND YOU CAN BE PROUD OF IN CHARGE 70 DOLLAR GOLF THESE AND WHEN YOU INAUDIBLE ] LIFE LOOKS A LOT BETTER FOR EVERYONE. I WANT THAT TO BE THE GOAL BUT WE FIRST HAVE TO MEET THAT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF BEING A HIGH-END COURSE, THAT'S MINIMUM AND THE BOTTOM LINE, THAT WE HAVE GOT TO DO. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I'M FAIRLY NEW ON THE COUNCIL AND NEW TO THE GOLF ADVISORY REPORT BUT I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE HAD SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS. YOU HAVE ALLUDED TO IT, WE HAVE HAD SOME TOUGH TIMES AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A TOUGH TIME. I WANT THIS TO BE A TIME WHEN WE CAN REALLY GET TOGETHER AND SAY LOOK. WE DON'T THINK THIS IS ACCEPTABLE AND YOU DON'T THINK IT'S A SUB DOUBLE. WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT ARE OUR GOALS. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I SAW IT, I APOLOGIZE IF IT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. MAYBE SOMEONE IS HEARD THIS ALSO, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME FROM AN AGENCY AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I SAW IT BUT THE COMMENT WAS TALKING ABOUT REVENUE AND GROUND UP AND THE COMMENT I HEARD WAS SOMETHING ALONG THE

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KEEP POPPING UP. >> WE COULDN'T GET PRESSURE BECAUSE OF THE MAINLINE BREAKS. WE COULD ONLY ISOLATE THE PRESSURE SPECIFIC. IN MY I AND BRIAN, YOU TELL ME. TELL ME IRRIGATION REALLY GETS TO SAY UPGRADE NECESSARILY BUT TO MAKE MEANINGFUL REPAIRS SUCH AS DIGGING UP THE PATCH AND CALLING IT GOOD. TO REALLY ADDRESS MORE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES , IS THAT IN YOUR PLAN

FOR THE NEXT YEAR? >> NOT FOR THE NEXT YEAR, NO.

IT WOULD LIKELY BE A LONG-TERM PLAN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE OVER TO FLEX PIPE. IT WAS PUT IN THERE 20 YEARS AGO AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A BIG HELP.

>> YES, I GET THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE HOT AND DRY SOONER OR LATER IN TEXAS AND ARE WE GOING TO HAVE WATER? THAT SEEMS TO HAVE EVERY PROBLEM THAT STEMS FROM THAT. DO YOU HAVE A FULL-TIME

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>> THINGS ARE LOOKING UP. >> THAT WAS ABOUT $100,000. WE DEFINITELY PUT THE MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.

>> I KNOW ONE OF THE PROBLEMS AND AGAIN, FOR MY BACKGROUND, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SEE IT BUT APPARENTLY VERY INDISCERNIBLE ] IF THEY'VE DONE ONE A YEAR THEY'VE HAD A GOOD YEAR BUT THEY PROBABLY HAVEN'T DONE ONE IN THE LAST YEARS.

>> WHENEVER. THIS IS A BASIC GOLF COURSE, THIS IS NOTHING SOMEBODY DROPPING DOWN WISDOM AND HOW WE CANNOT VERIFY THAT ESPECIALLY IN THIS CLAY. THAT'S THE ONLY TOOL YOU HAVE, VERIFICATION AND WATER, WE DON'T SEEM TO USE EITHER ONE OF THEM SO I HOPE THAT'S PART OF THE GO FORWARD.

>> THEY ARE SCHEDULED. >> CAN YOU PULL THAT UP OR TALK ABOUT IT? IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT, I KNOW I'M TALKING A LOT, LAUGHTER ]. BUT TO THE IRRIGATION, THAT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY. I GET IT , WHEN IT HAPPENS AND WE HAVE TO PUT IN A NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM IT WILL BE A BIG DEAL. THERE ARE SO MANY OF THESE FUNDAMENTAL BLOCKING TACTICS.

THAT WAS A BAD APPLICATION, MISS TIME APPLICATION OR WHATEVER. I KNOW, IS MSA STILL AVAILABLE FOR GOLF COURSES?

>> WE STILL GET IT. >>@SMOKES IT, EVERY DAY FOR THE NEXT MONTH I GUARANTEE YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF BROWN SPOTS BUT YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF DEAD DALLAS GRASS. AGAIN, THAT'S BASIC ATTACK, I GET THE BUSINESS PART OF THE WEATHER, GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT IS A HARD SCIENCE, I KNOW THAT, THERE ARE BASICS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE AND I DON'T FEEL ARE YOU AS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR YOU AS A COMPANY OR THE SUPERINTENDENT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GETTING OUT WHERE THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IT. IF I HAVE ONE OVERARCHING ISSUE, IT IS OUT. NOT A QUESTION

>> IT'S BEEN SUCH AN ASSET TO US OVER THE YEARS, THE ACCOUNTABILITY ON SITE IS VERY STRONG.

>> YOU GUYS RECOGNIZE THAT. I THINK THE MOST RECENT TIME I'VE BEEN AROUND THAT WAS -- I KNOW YOU THROUGHOUT THE BATHROOM REMODELING. BASICALLY GETTING THE PLASTIC BAG OFF OF THE URINAL AND TAKING OUT SWINGING DOORS, THAT'S A REMODEL, GREAT. I WOULD'VE BEEN HAPPY WITH JUST A CLEANING. I'M NOT TRYING TO DOG PILE AND I DO BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. I FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING CANNING WITH US. HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE ARE DOING. I'M ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT IT, HE'S GOT A BIG JOB AHEAD OF THEM AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT HIM AND BE PRODUCT ¿ MET PART OF THE PROBLEM SOLVING AND NOT THE PROBLEM. WE NEED TO GET SOME OF THE BASIC STUFF UNDER CONTROL BUT WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO WITHIN YOUR BUSINESS TO AT LEAST GET SOME OF THOSE THINGS DONE. I KNOW, FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW IF I AM PRESSING THE RIGHT BUTTONS FOR YOU ALL BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO GET TO THAT POINT NOW. THAT'S NOT A LONG-TERM, YOU HAVE PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT THERE, WE NEED TO GET THIS STUFF DOWN AND KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND I HOPE WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT IS MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE SEES THE BEST CASE BEING TO START OVER. BUT IT IS AN OPTION BUT I DON'T THINK

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ON LIKE WE HAVE BEEN. >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK, PATIENTS, IT'S IN PROGRESS AND WE ARE DOING IT. THANK YOU.

>> MY QUESTION WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY THE IRRIGATION IS IN AN ISSUE. WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT. WHEN DO YOU PLAN TO COME TO US WITH THE PLAN FOR THE LONG-TERM CARE OF THE

IRRIGATION? >> I THINK WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AT FROM LAST YEAR. I THINK WE NEED TO HONOR IT THROUGH THIS SEASON AND SEE WHERE IT LEADS US BUT YET IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO SIT DOWN OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE IS SOMEWAY WE CAN SET ASIDE FUND OR SOMETHING TO BUILD UP A RAINY DAY FUND FOR IRRIGATION, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

>> SO YOU WOULD SAY COME TO YOU BY 20 28, WHAT IS A REASONABLE TIMELINE YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER A LONG-RANGE PLAN. MY TWO HOT BUTTONS ARE MAINTENANCE AND LONG-TERM PLANNING AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT INSTEAD OF I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS , THIS IS 2024 SO CERTAINLY BY 2026 OR 2027 I WOULD THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE

IRRIGATION. IS THAT REASONABLE? >> THAT'S REASONABLE.

INAUDIBLE ] I WAS OUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

>> THAT'S NEVER GOOD. IT WILL GET BETTER.

>> THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THE LONG-TERM PLAN REGARDING IRRIGATION WITH THIS FLEX PIPE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS AN OPTION OF WHAT WILL IT TAKE? WE WILL HAVE MORE DROUGHT, THAT'S A GIVEN. WE HAVE 110 DEGREES WILL HAVE ANOTHER 60 DAYS WITHOUT RAIN SO WE WILL HAVE THAT SAME CRACKING PROBLEM SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWO OR THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD A PLAN THAT INCLUDES THE OPTION FOR MAYBE LAUNCHING INTO A GREATER EFFORT INTO GETTING THOSE MAIN LINES REPLACED. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS 100 PERCENT BUT IT SHOULD PROBABLY HELP.

>> YES, GETTING THOSE MANES, THAT IS WHERE YOU GET THE PRESSURE PROBLEMS. YOU GET THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM DOWN FOR A FEW DAYS AND YOU ARE DEAD IN THE WATER.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> OKAY.

>> KEN, YOU HAD MENTIONED A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND GETTING SUPPORT FROM THE CITY. WHAT IS THE ASK OF US? IS THERE

AND ASK OF US RIGHT NOW? >> I KNOW THE FOUNTAINS IS ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT IF YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, I THINK THE CITY PAYING FOR THOSE AND FIXING THEM, I'M NOT 100 PERCENT HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN THAT AREA OF WORK IN THAT PART OF IT BUT I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, IS THAT THE GOLF COURSE? WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO FIX SOMETHING ON THE GOLF COURSE. IDEALLY INAUDIBLE ] SO IF WE COULD FIND SOMETHING THAT'S VERY COLLABORATIVE ARE WORKING WITH THE HOH, THE CITY AND MOUNTAIN VIEW GOLF, IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN GET THAT PERSON TO WORK WITH US ON OUR SIDE SO ALL THE WORK IS PUT TOGETHER, WHAT IS THE COST BETWEEN THOSE THREE, MAKE SURE IT'S WORKING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 14 ON OUR SIDE AND FIVE ON THAT SIDE IT'S A LOT TO TAKE CARE OF AND PUT THE PRESSURE ON. ALSO WE

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>> THAT'S WHY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO KNOW IN YOUR WORK WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD , WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL BESIDES JUST HARP ON YOU GUYS TO MAKE IT A SUCCESS? IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO

DO, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. >> WE CAN SIT DOWN AND GO OVER

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. >> WHILE THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SITTING IN THE HOT SEAT AND ANSWERING ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU TO THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE COMING OUT TO PARTICIPATE AND THANK YOU CALL PHONE MEMBERS FOR YOUR INPUT. I THINK WHAT I AM HEARING HERE IS THAT WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS, THERE WERE SOME REASONS BEHIND THOSE PROBLEMS AND KING HAS GOTTEN ON BOARD AND

[3B. Consider Terms of a Purchase and Sale Contract with Habitat for Humanity Greater Garland, Inc. for City Owned Property at 7995 Dalrock Road.]

I'M OPTIMISTIC. THINK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 3B CONSIDER TERMS OF A PURCHASE AND SALE CONTRACT WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY GREATER GARLAND INC. FOR PROPERTY AT 7995 DELL ROCK ROAD. I BELIEVE

>> JUST A FEW SLIDES TO ORIENT US TO THIS. BASICALLY THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED PROPERTY ON MARKET. SO TWO PROPERTIES. THAT DID NOT CLOSE, IT DID NOT CLOSE, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DESCRIPTIONS IN THAT CONTRACT IS FIRE AS TIME FRAMES AND THERE WAS A RISK THAT THE LAND WAS TOO SIGNIFICANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT MONEY. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT IN DETAIL IS THE IS TO BASICALLY PURCHASE JUST ONE OF THOSE PARCELS FOR THE SAME PURPOSE, LOW INCOME HOUSING. WE HAVE THE TERMS AND I'LL GO OVER IT. THIS IS A PROPERTY WE ARE LOOKING AT, 7995 DELL ROCK ROAD, IT'S A SMALL LOT, IT WAS USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, UTILITY STRUCTURE. IT'S ABOUT 6000 SQUARE FEET, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME LAND-USE ACTION IN ORDER TO ALLOW IT TO BE USEFUL. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONTINGENCIES INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT. BEFORE THE PROPERTY CLOSES WE HAVE SIX MONTHS FOR AN EXTENSION TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET A ZONE CHANGE. THE PROPERTY WAS APPRAISED, THAT APPRAISAL HAS GONE SINCE 2022 AND UPDATED IN 2023 AND THE APPRAISAL WAS $35,000.

>> REVISED TERMS, WHAT WE HAVE IS A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL.

IT'S BASICALLY AUTOMATIC AND THERE IS NO COMPENSATION FOR IT

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>> IS THAT JUST A BUFFER? >> AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THE

RISK. >> THE OTHER CONDITION IS ON

THE USE OF THE PROPERTY? >> DAN, THERE IS THAT IN THERE THAT IT BE USED FOR LOW TO MODERATE.

>> 80 PERCENT OF WHAT? >> OBVIOUSLY ALSO FOR VETERAN

HOUSING AS WELL. >> CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, VETERAN FEES, I THINK FROM THE VERY BEGINNING I

WAS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? >> I HAVE BEEN WITH GREATER GARLAND AFFILIATE SINCE 2017 AND I HAVE BEEN STARING IT TO BE VERY VETERAN CENTRIC SO WE WORK WITH VETERANS COMMISSION OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS TO DO CRITICAL REPAIRS FOR VETERANS AT NO COST TO THEM. WE HAVE DONE MANY CRITICAL REPAIRS FOR THE CITIZENS OF ROWLETT AS WELL AND THROUGH YOUR OWN PROGRAM WITH US. I HAVE BEEN MOVING THE AFFILIATE TO ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY, NOT EXCLUSIVELY BUT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY, SIR VETERANS. THAT'S JUST A PASSION FOR ME AND MY ART.

WORKING WITH THE VETERAN RESOURCE OPPORTUNITY CENTER, THEY WILL HELP US FIND VETERANS THAT WILL QULIFY. THERE ARE INCOME REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO SOME OF THE SUBSIDIES AND THINGS WE HAVE AVAILABLE WE HAVE TO REQUIRE FOR THEM TO, THEY HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE THINGS . WE THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND ONE BUT OUR INTENTION IS EXACTLY THAT, TO SERVE A VETERAN. WE WILL NOT SELL THE HOUSE TO A NONVETERAN.

>> WE WILL HAVE IN OUR AGREEMENT AS WE DO WITH OUR NORMAL HUMANITY HOUSES, WE HAVE A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL AND WE HAVE DESCRIPTIONS THAT WE PLACE ON THEIR TO WHATEVER DEGREE WE CAN LEGALLY AND WITH THE VETERAN, WITH THIS VETERAN HOME IN HOMES WE BUILD IN ROWLETT FOR VETERANS HOPEFULLY, WE WOULD PLACE THE SAME TYPE OF DEED RESTRICTION SAYING WE WANT THIS HOUSE TO BE EITHER YOUR HOME OR ANOTHER VETERANS HOME SO IF YOU NEED TO SELL , SOMETIMES LIFE HAPPENS AND PEOPLE NEED TO MOVE AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO PURCHASE THE HOME BACK AND RESELL IT TO ANOTHER VETERAN OR THEY COULD TRY TO SELL IT TO A VETERAN THEMSELVES. THOSE TYPES OF CONTINGENCIES WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE SIGNED WITH THE HOMEOWNER WHEN

WE SELL IT TO THEM. >> IT WILL BE IN THE CONTRACT?

>> YES. SO TO BE SUPER CLEAR, THE CLAUSE WAS TO ALLOW THE CITY TO BUY BACK THE PROPERTY IN THE EVENT A VETERAN DID NOT

OWN IT? >> THIS OPTION ALLOWS HABITAT TO REPURCHASE THE PROPERTY IF A VETERAN DOES NOT OWN IT. THE CITY HAS NO TEETH IN THIS PARTICULAR OPTION, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> KNOW THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

THIS RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL IN THE CONTRACT SPECIFIES THAT THE CITY OF ROWLETT HAS THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL TO PURCHASE

THE PROPERTY. >> WHERE IS THAT IN THE AGREEMENT? I SEE THE PURCHASER OPTION AND I AM READING IT AND IT SAYS PURCHASER SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY FROM THE THEN OWNER

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>>

WHICH ARTICLE, DO YOU KNOW? >> THE OPTION TO REPURCHASE IS THREE AND THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL IS ARTICLE 4.

>> OKAY., THAT'S A FIVE-YEAR OPTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> THE FIRST MANSION, THEY SATISFIED THAT BY HAVING IT IN THEIR NAME AND

>> WE CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT, THE DOWNPAYMENTS ASSISTANCE THAT WE USE IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S A VETERAN IF THEY HAVE A SERVICE RELATED DISABILITY , AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME SINCE 1992, THEN THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR A GRANT AND THAT GRANT IS ONE OF THE ONLY ONES, THE REASON I MENTION IT IS BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON IT, THE SECOND FEATURE ON IT. IF THEY RECEIVE THE HAVEN GRANT THAT BECOMES ERAS WHETHER WE DO A CRITICAL REPAIR FOR THE VETERAN AND SPEND THE MONEY ON THEIR EXISTING HOME OR WHETHER WE USE OUT OF AS DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FOR PURCHASING. EVERY OTHER DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM WE USE ALWAYS HAS A FIVE-YEAR TERM ATTACHED TO IT WHERE IF THEY SELL THE HOUSE OR NEED TO MOVE OUT BEEF -- BEFORE FIVE YEARS THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT MONEY BACK. THIS IS AN INCENTIVE CLAUSE FOR THEM TO STAY IN THE HOUSE FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS AND WE WANT IT TO STAY IN THE VETERANS HANDS BEYOND THAT. WE ARE ONLY ABLE TO DO SO MUCH AND WE HAVE TO GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FREEDOM TO THE VETERANS TO DO WHAT THEY WISH AFTER FIVE YEARS. THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN STRUCTURE THE CONTRACT AND THE WORDING SO IT IS TO THEIR BENEFIT AND THEY ARE INCENTIVIZED TO STAY IN THE HOUSE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THE ADDENDUM WOULD HAVE TO BE EXERCISED BY THE CITY.

>> SO THIS IS JUST FOR THAT

>> THERE IS CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING. I THINK IN OUR CONVERSATION THAT THIS IS A SIMPLER ONE. I WANTED TO DO THE LOW HANGING FRUIT FIRST AND DEVELOP A WORKING

RELATIONSHIP. >> YES, WE HAVE HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ROWLETT DOING CRITICAL REPAIRS OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS. THAT PROGRAM WAS STARTED IN LATE 2017 OR EARLY 2018 AND I THINK THE CITY CAN LOOK AT THAT PROGRAM AND SEE HABITATS PERFORMANCE ON IT TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN WHO WE ARE BUT WE FELT LIKE THIS WOULD BE A SIMPLER APPROACH . THE 18 MONTHS AND 36 MONTH TIME FRAMES ARE BUFFERED . WE WILL HAVE IT DONE MUCH QUICKER THAN THAT.

BECAUSE IT'S A NONCONFORMING LOT, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO GO THROUGH A ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE WE CAN GET SOME VARIANCES AND GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND GET SOME SETBACK. OBVIOUSLY IT WILL BE A SHOTGUN STYLE HOUSE ON THE LOT BUT THERE WILL BE VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR A REAR SETBACK IF WE CONFORM TO THE FRONT SETBACK ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD STREET THERE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NAME OF THE STREET IS. WITH THE OTHER SITE WE WOULD LOVE TO DEVELOP THAT SITE INTO FOUR LOTS TO SERVE VETERANS THERE AS WELL. THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, WE WOULD NEED TO PUT IN A STREET AND WATER AND SEWER LINES. SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A BETTER APPROACH FOR US TO GET GOING ON THIS AND SEE HOW OUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP GOES IN THE HOME BUILDING SIDE RATHER THAN THE CRITICAL REPAIR SIDE.

OUR INTENTION WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OTHER LOT AS WELL AND FULFILL THE DESIRE, THERE WERE GOING TO BE FIVE HOMES FOR VETERANS, THAT WAS GOING TO BE OUR INITIATIVE.

>> I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT BUT I THINK IT'S

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AND THAT WAS REVISED. >> IT WAS UPDATED .

>> SO THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS AN ACCURATE APPRAISAL VALUE. THE SECOND THOUGHT WAS OBVIOUSLY CONVEYING REAL PROPERTY THAT BELONGS TO THE CITY WOULD GO THROUGH A SEALED BID PROCESS AND THIS WOULD BE TAKING A DIFFERENT THING WHICH IS IN BALANCE AND IS LEGAL.

HOWEVER , IN OFFERING THE SEALED BID PROCESS YOU DO OFFER NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS THE OPPORTUNITY IF THEY WISH TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. THEY WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A BID AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STANDARD PROCEDURE. THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THAT DISCUSSION HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY AND THERE WERE OBJECTIONS TO

THE TOPIC. >> PROCESS AND USE IT FOR WHATEVER LEGAL REASON. THE REASON IT'S REQUIRED IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN THE APPRAISAL BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO VENTURE THAT THE REASON THAT THE RESTRICTION IS NOT REALLY

THE APPRAISAL. >> YOU MAKE A POINT , ABOUT THE SEALED BID VERSUS THIS PROCESS. WE BROUGHT THIS BACK HERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IT WAS DONE FOR. IF I COULD, YOU TOUCHED ON THE POINT AND I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD IN THE DIRECTION THIS COUNSEL WANTS.

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE US ACK THROUGH THE SEALED BID PROCESS SO ANYONE ELSE COULD BID ON IT? EACH HAS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GO FORWARD AND WE HAVE

MISSED THE MARK SOMEWHERE. >> I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION AS WELL.

>> IF WE PUT IT OUT TO BID THEN WE WOULD LOSE ALL CONTROL.

>> A QUESTION, HOW HAS EVERYONE AROUND THERE BEEN NOTIFIED? HAS

THERE BEEN A NOTICE? >> THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THERE WAS A ZONING CHANGE. SPIVAK BUT NO ZONING CHANGE?

>> THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE TAKING THIS APPROACH OF CONVEYING THIS LAND FOR THIS DOLLAR FIGURE, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY WITH THE CONDITIONS WE DISCUSSED. THE ONE CONCERN I HAVE I THINK IS YOU HAD MENTIONED TAKING IT THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS VERSUS THE TYPICAL PROCESS. IS THAT AN APPROACH THAT COULD BE TAKEN?

>> I WOULD WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING NEEDED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT IS NEEDED TO MAKE IT BUILDABLE, I MEAN CHANGING SETBACKS, THESE ARE

THINGS THAT VARIANCES INVOLVE. >> THAT WOULD STILL INVOLVE A PUBLIC HEARING? WITH THAT NEED A THREE FOURTHS MAJORITY TO

APPROVE? >> I THINK IT REQUIRES FOUR? I THINK IT REQUIRES FOUR SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING.

>> IN THE INSTANCE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS SHOULD REJECT THOSE VARIANCES, THEIR DECISION IS FINAL, RIGHT WAX SO SHOULD THAT HAPPEN, YOU HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL YOUR OPTIONS. IF YOU TAKE IT FOR A ZONING CHANGE YOU HAVE THE BOARD OF

ADJUSTMENT AS A BACKUP? >> I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS NOT A ZONING CHANGE, WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGNATION THAT THEY HAVE TO

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>> I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO BE

SUCCESSFUL. >> NEIGHBORHOOD IS AND ASSESS FIBER AND ASSESS SEVEN BUT IT'S NOT CONFORMING TO EITHER OF THOSE AND IT NEVER SHALL BE.

EVEN WITH THE ZONING CHANGE YOU CAN MAKE UP ANOTHER ZONE IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THAT BUT THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO AND THAT'S WHY THE SIX MONTH ZONING CONTINGENCY IS THERE BECAUSE OF THE CITY WILL WORK WITH US, IF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS WILL WORK WITH US TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS UNKNOWN BUILDABLE LOT THAT WE CAN BUILD A NICE HOME THAT CONFORMS TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT LOOKS SIMILAR, YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE REALLY, AND THAT WILL HOUSE A VETERAN THAT' A WIN BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE A VETERAN SERVING CITY. THAT'S WHY WE WOULD GO WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS RATHER THAN THE ZONING BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY WE COULD REZONE. THE OTHER LOT ON MARTHA IS DIFFERENT, I BELIEVE WE WOULD TRY TO GET A PV PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT TO SUBDIVIDE. WE HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF MATH ON DIVIDING THAT LOT INTO FOUR USABLE SITES, CONFORMING SIZE WISE. BUT THAT'S NOT FOR THIS.

>> THOSE QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED WHEN YOU COME BACK.

>> THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO TAKE THIS FIRST BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS SIMPLE THERE ARE THESE QUESTIONS THAT RISE

UP. >> THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO RULE AND THE APPLICANT SUPPORT EVEN THOUGH FOR ANY OTHER ACTION A SIMPLE MAJORITY IS REQUIRED.

>> I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO SHOW POINT. HARDSHIP WOULD NOT BE

>> IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A HARDSHIP. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? >> SO MOVING FORWARD UNLESS CONSOLE HAS AN OBJECTION TO PUT IT ON THE JUNE 4 AGENDA.

[4. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR MAY 21, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.]

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> OKAY, MOVING ON TO DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FROM MAY 21, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THE ITEM PARKING ENFORCEMENT AND PURCHASE OF A CONCRETE TRUCK.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO CALL ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? NO? OKAY. THERE I NO EXECUTIVE SESSION SO

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