[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:12] >> -- THE CITY ATTORNEY ON ANY AGENDA ITEM HEREIN. THE CITY OF ROWLETT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO RECONVENE, RECESS OR REALIGN THE WORK SESSION OR CALLED EXECUTIVE SESSION OR ORDER OF BUSINESS AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO ADJOURNMENT. CITY [3. CITIZENS INPUT] MANAGER, DID HE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? >> I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM. >> WE ARE DOING -- PULLING ITEM 2A. WE ARE GOING TO CITIZENS INPUT. AT THIS TIME, COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE AUDIENCE ON ANY TOPIC. NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL DURING CITIZENS' INPUT. WE HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM. THAT IS FROM STEVE. SIR, STAND UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND RECORD THE FOR THE RECORD. >> CONCERNS ME GREATLY. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE WHAT IT IS LIKE WITHIN THE FIRST YEARS OF THE PANDEMIC AND HOW WE HAVE A MAYOR THAT WAS A TYRANT AND A VACCINE TYRANT AND NOW WE HAVE A VERY DANGEROUS AND UNSTABLE JUDGE IN DALLAS COUNTY, AND IF YOU GO ONTO THE DALLAS HSS WEBSITE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE STILL PUSHING THE POISON INJECTION . THEY ARE TELLING YOU -- THEY ARE TRYING TO FEARMONGER TO KEEP PUSHING THIS HORRIFIC PRODUCT THAT HAS KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE , AND IT IS TO THE POINT WHERE IT HAS KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL BATTERY AND HAVE CHARGES. THEY ARE SUSAN -- SUING PFIZER FOR LYING ABOUT -- THIS DIDN'T PREVENT TRANSMISSION OR ANYTHING. THAT IS A FACT. INAUDIBLE ] I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT WE ARE TRANSITIONING TO A PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT IS PUSHING THIS. I WANT EVERYONE HERE TO THINK ABOUT IT SERIOUSLY. SHOULD ANOTHER PLANDEMIC COME DOWN, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE REACTION? I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE FORMER CHIEF DEPLOYED POLICE IF SOMEBODY WALKED IN SUMMER WITH A MASK. ME A NUMBER OF YEARS TO KNOW THAT DALROCK ROAD MEANT A WALL. I COULD GO WHEREVER I WANTED WITHOUT A MASK IN ROCKWALL, ROWLETT PRINT I COULD NOT DO SO AND ROWLETT. I WANT CITY COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT MAY COME UP , GIVEN WHAT IS [4A. Discuss a proposed contract with Hoefer Welker for design services for the Municipal Complex project - City Hall, Public Safety Administration, Animal Shelter, and Herfurth Park. (15 minutes)] >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? ALL RIGHT. THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GO TO OUR FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS 4A. DISCUSS A PROPOSED CONTRACT WITH HOEFER WELKER FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX PROJECT - CITY HALL, PUBLIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, ANIMAL SHELTER, AND HERFURTH PARK. >> WITH ME IS JAMES PIERCE, WHO IS ONE OF THE PARTNERS. QUESTIONS FOR HIM, I HAVE A HANDOUT. YOU CAN TAKE ONE OF THOSE. I WANT TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT WITH THE SELECTION PROCESS. A PROPOSED DESIGN PARTNER. OTHERWISE, KEY CONTRACTORS AND NEXT STEPS. CONSTRAINTS IN THIS AREA. IT IS REALLY ABOUT STATE LAW, WHICH TALKS ABOUT WHO WE HIRE AND SUBMIT DESIGN SERVICES TO. WE GOT THREE QUALIFICATIONS BASED PROCESS. TO IDENTIFY THE CRITERIA AND APPLY THAT CRITERIA. IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE [00:05:09] ONLY TALKED TO ONE FIRM AT A TIME. MOST OF THE TIME IN THIS PROCESS, YOU HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW TO GET A COMPETITIVE CONTRACT PRICE. THAT IS INTENTIONAL. THIS IS A STATE LAW THAT HAS BEEN COPIED IN ALL FIVE STATES I'VE BEEN IN. IT IS PRETTY UBIQUITOUS OUT THERE. IT IS PART OF WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS LOOKING FOR. OPPORTUNITY. CERTAINLY, WHEN YOU LOOK FOR THESE SERVICES, QUALIFICAION SHOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT. IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL IF WE HAVE INFORMATION FOR THIS. IN THIS PROCESS, WE ISSUED THE RFQ ON THOSE WERE RANKED BASED ON OUR CRITERIA. THESE ARE ALL THREE VERY HIGHLY QUALIFIED FIRMS. WE ASKED THOSE FIRMS TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME AND PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT -- A VISION FOR YOUR COUNSEL TO CONSIDER. THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON MARCH 18TH. YOU RANKED THOSE , FOR NEGOTIATING BASED ON THAT RANKING. YOU HAVE TO FINISH THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND IF SUCCESSFUL, MOVE FORWARD. IF NOT, YOU CAN RELEASE THAT FIRM AND MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE. YOU HAVE TO STOP TALKING TO ONE BEFORE YOU START TALKING TO ANOTHER. THEY ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON TRYING TO GET , YOU KNOW, THE BEST COMBINATION OF CONTRACT TERMS FOR THE SERVICES. THAT IS A BROAD WAY TO PUT IT, BUT IT IS A CHALLENGE. MAYBE IT IS A LITTLE TOO TIGHT. SOMETIMES, THE SCHEDULE DOESN'T ACHIEVE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. ARE WORKING WITH A BLINDS UP -- BLIND SPOT. WE ARE LOOKING FOR A DESIGN PARTNER THAT UNDRSTOOD WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. WE ARE AMBITIOUS IN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE. THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WATCHING THE BUDGET AND HOW WE SPEND THAT THROUGH THIS. AND REALLY WORKING WITH US TO WANTS THAT PROGRAM. PROGRAMS ARE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE BUDGET. WE ARE TRYING TO BE COMMITTED TO THAT COMPETITIVE PRICING. I THINK WE FOUND THAT. IT TOOK US A LITTLE WHILE. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. BUT I THINK WE REALLY DID EVENTUALLY END UP WITH THE BEST PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT. THEY ARE A WELL-QUALIFIED FIRM WITH A NUMBER OF OFFICES ACROSS THE NATION. YOU CAN SEE HERE THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF CIVIL AND GOVERNMENT WORK. THEY ARE 19TH RANKED WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY. THEY HAVE DONE SOME INCREDIBLE PROJECTS. OF THE SAME PROJECTS OR THE SAME ELEMENTS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH A SIMILAR SIZED COMMUNITY. THEY ARE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING THAT RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE SOME EXPERTS AND PARTNERS WITH THEM. YOU MAY RECALL ALL OF THE FIRMS DID THAT. THEY HAVE ONE POTENTIAL PARTNER AND THEY MAY BRING IN OTHERS. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN AND SPECIALISTS, SOME THAT ARE EXPERTS ALONG WITH THEIR PARTNERSHIPS. ] SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SCOPE. WE HAVE THE CITY SERVICES AGREEMENT AND THIS IS THE ONLY TIME , WITH ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD, WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY JUST FOCUS ON THE SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER WITH OUR CERTAIN -- CITY ATTORNEY. AND SCOPE FEED SCALE WITHOUT A BUNCH OF OTHER TERMS BEING PUT IN. THEY WOULD SAY, WE WILL WORK WITH YOU WITH YOUR FRAMEWORK. THIS IS THE WAY THE PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. PRE-PRODUCTS, DESIGN , DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. YOU WILL GET SICK OF ASSAYING SD, DD, AND CD. THIS IS WHY I GIVE YOU THIS DOCUMENT TO HELP DEFINE THAT. ALSO IN FRONT OF YOU, WE HAVE BUILDING PERMIT AND BIDDING AND NEGOTIATIONS. THAT IS IN THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK . ALL OF THE COST ESTIMATION WILL BE PART OF THE MANAGER RESPONSIBILITY. ONE OF THE KEYS WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS IS TO FIND A PARTNER THAT WOULD HELP US DESIGN TO THE BUDGET. NOT JUST DESIGNED TO OUR DREAMS AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, OOPS, WE BLEW THE BUDGET. WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR THAT PRICE. SO WE HAVE A TEST AT EVERY STAGE IN THIS PROCESS. PROGRAM THAT WE CAN DEVELOP FOR THAT BUDGET. IT WILL HAVE DESIGN THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT CAN BE DONE FOR THAT BUDGET. [00:10:04] SAME THING WITH DDS AND CDS. WE HAVE TO CHECK IN BACK AT 90%. THAT IS WHERE WE GO FOR WHAT IS CALLED A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE AMENDMENT , WHICH WILL BE PART, AGAIN, THAT WILL COME TO US FROM OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT RISK PARTNER. INAUDIBLE ] PHASES ARE ADDRESSED BASED ON THE RFQ. THE RFQ WE PUT OUT WAS EARLY IN THIS PROCESS. WE PUT OUT A BUDGET OF $50 MILLION. WE HAVE A TOTAL BUDGET OF 70 MILLION. WE SET THAT IS CONSTRUCTION. WE HAD TO ASK EVERYONE THAT SAME QUESTION. BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT 50 MILLION IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH. SO WE ALSO ASK FOR WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH 5 MILLION. AND WE SAY, LOOK. WE WILL KEEP OUR PRICE STABLE. 50, 55 MILLION. AFTER THAT, WE GO UP 5%. ANYTHING OVER 5 MILLION AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE ESTABLISH, THAT MEANS IT WILL BE GOING UP. YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE THE FEE BROKEN DOWN. IT IS 3.7 FOR THOSE SERVICES. INAUDIBLE ] IT IS PART OF WHAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE NECESSARILY RECOVERED TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION BUDGET. YOU WILL SEE OPTIONAL SERVICES. THOSE ARE THINGS WE MAY CHOOSE AT ANOTHER POINT . THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PROJECT . THERE IS JUST A FEE SCHEDULE OR SHOULD WE NEED IT. IF THE FEE GOES UP TO 60 MILLION, THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 5%. AT THIS POINT OF DESIGN, VERY EARLY IN THIS PROCESS, WE ASK FOR A CONTINGENCY. SHOULD THE SCOPE CHANGE OR SUPPLEMENTAL SERVICES NEEDED, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT RESOURCE HERE. WE ARE ASKING FOR BOTH THE $250,000 PLUS $374,000 AUTHORIZATION -- WE TALK TO YOU TOMORROW IN THIS PROCESS. THAT AVAILABLE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IT WILL BE DESIGN COST. CONSTRUCTION MANAGER TO HAVE PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES. PRE-DESIGN. AND PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES. AND WE HAVE GEOTECH AND SOME OTHER THINGS AND WE WILL CONTRACT THOSE THINGS OUTSIDE OF THIS ONE. THIS IS JUST FOR DESIGN SERVICES. SO NEXT STEPS. COUNSEL CONSIDERATION -- I'LL BE GIVING THIS PRESENTATION TOMORROW, ON THE 16TH FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. IF YOU APPROVE, WE WILL EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT. WE WILL MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY. WE WILL START THE PRE-DESIGN PROCESS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MONTH SET ASIDE FOR THAT IN THE SCHEDULE. THAT'S AMBITIOUS. I'M TELLING YOU NOW. WE WILL WORK HARD TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN EVERY MONTH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF IMPORTANT DECISIONS AND IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT DURING THAT TIME. I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT TAKES A BIT LONGER. INAUDIBLE ] WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK SELECTION AND CONTRACT NEGOTIATION PROCESS IN PARALLEL TO THAT PRE-DESIGN PROCESS. OUR GOAL IS TO GET THAT CONTRACT TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER. MY PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I ALREADY HAD MY QUESTION ANSWERED. I'M GOING TO ASK IT IN CASE ANYONE ELSE HAPPEN TO COME ACROSS IT. SO IN READING THROUGH THE PACKET, ONE THING I NOTICED WAS, AND ONE PART, IT WAS ADDITIONAL SERVICES, TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPE. AND I KNOW THAT -- OR I BELIEVE THAT THE DESIGN YOU'RE PUTTING HERE, IT IS GOING TO BE GIVEN TO THE CMAR. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE -- CLEAR , NOT ONLY THE LANDSCAPING, BUT ALSO THE PARK NODES ARE DESIGNED AND ADDED TO THE CMAR. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT A GOTCHA AT THE END IS REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. SO MAYBE EXPLAIN HOW THAT WATERSHEDS OUT. >> YOU BET. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE A LITTLE BIT. CONTINUE BACK TO THE SIDE THAT HAS THE PRICING INFORMATION FOR US. HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT PHASE [00:15:03] TWO, IT IS BROKEN INTO TWO PIECES. BAKE IT -- BASIC SERVICES , ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. YOU SUPPLEMENTAL SERVICES THAT INCLUDES ARCHITECTURE AND IRRIGATION DESIGN. LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE IS WHERE YOUR PARKED ELEMENTS WILL BE DESIGNED. THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PHASE TWO SERVICES FOR THIS. >> AND WESTWOOD WILL BE DOING BOTH OF THOSE? WE HAVE LA VISTA DOING THE DESIGN UP TO THIS POINT. >> THEY DID IT IN THE PAST. >> IN THE PAST. WHAT WESTWOOD WOULD BE OUR DESIGN AND OUR LANDSCAPE AND OUR DESIGNER GOING FORWARD. >> THAT'S FINE. >> I JUST WANTED A LITTLE CLARITY. I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED. >> SO NOT LOOKING FOR INAUDIBLE ] -- PROVIDED THE COUNCIL DOES APPROVE THE ESTIMATE, SO YOU GIVE THE KEYS TO THE CITY, WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE? >> LET ME PUT ON MY GLASSES HERE. >> YOU GOT IT. >> I CAN'T READ IT. BE LOOKING AT THIS ESTIMATE PUT TOGETHER HERE. IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR. SO ACTUALLY OPENING THE DOOR SOMETIME IN SPRING. >> ALL OF THAT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. AND I'D LIKE TO HOPE SOON. >> OR SOONER. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> COUNSEL, OTHER QUESTIONS? >> NOT QUESTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE HARD WORK, STAFF COME ON THESE NEGOTIATIONS. I KNOW THAT IS -- I KNOW IT IS A LONG AND TEDIOUS PROCESS. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GOT IMPATIENT, AND I GOT A LITTLE IMPATIENT, TOO, BUT I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DO THIS RIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST EXPENDITURES THAT THIS CITY IS GOING TO HAVE. I THINK IT PAYS TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT. I'M REALLY EXCITED, ACTUALLY, THAT IT ENDED UP THIS WAY WITH THAT WAS MY PREFERENCE TO BEGIN WITH, YOUR DESIGNS -- I LOVED FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO. I KNOW YOU AND JAMES HAD A BIG HAND IN THAT. AND I SAW RECENTLY THAT THE BEAM SIGNING. I THINK THAT IS SO COOL AND I HOPE WE CAN DO THAT, TOO. >> WE WILL. >> LOOKING AT THE RECORD, COMING IN ON TIME AND AT OR UNDER BUDGET IS IMPRESSIVE IN THIS DAY AND AGE. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M THRILLED THAT WE ARE GOING AHEAD WITH THIS. I'M EXCITED. >> WITH REGARD TO THE WORKSHOP, THAT'S HOSTED IN THE SCOPE, IS THAT -- IS THE INTENT THERE TO HAVE ONE WORKSHOP THAT IS ALL-INCLUSIVE FOR ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS PROJECT OR IS IT TO BREAK IN MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS AND FOCUS ON DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AT DIFFERENT TIMES SUCH AS DIFFERENT PARKS AND DIFFERENT ANIMAL SHELTERS. >> LET ME SPEAK HIGH-LEVEL IF THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE YOU PUT THAT UMBRELLA ON TOP. THE THING OF IT BEING THE PERIOD FOR EACH -- LET'S SAY IT IS OVER IF YOU DATE PERIOD. WHATEVER IT IS GOING TO BE. ALL THE STAKE HOLDERS WILL INFORM OTHERS SO THAT THEY LOOK AT THE PLANNING AND CONNECTION AND THE SIDE, FOR EXAMPLE. PROGRAM TO THE SITE. THEN IT IS A MATTER OF HOW DO WE TRANSITION TO WHAT IS THE PROGRAMMATIC BUDGET PIECE. AT THAT POINT, DO WE TRANSLATE TO THE AESTHETIC? THAT WAS THE STARTING POINT. WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A, THE SITE, AND OTHER COMPONENTS THAT ARE PART OF IT? WHAT ARE THE OTHER COMPONENTS? HOW DOES THAT INFORM IT? I'M SORRY. AM I TALKING TO EVERYONE HERE? IF WE LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY, BY THE END OF IT, WE'RE MOVING INTO A DESIGN THAT HAS THE INPUT FROM EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM. AT THAT POINT, MOVE FORWARD INTO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM AN SD PACKAGE? THE PRE-DESIGN IS AN IMPORTANT PART. I KNOW IT CAN BE AGGRESSIVE ON OUR END BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE THE PROPER INFORMATION SO AT SIX WEEKS, THAT'S OKAY. WE WANT THE INFORMATION EXTRACTED IN A PROPER WAY SO THAT WE CAN DO WHAT WE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE WE ARE ON LETTER A. [00:20:03] PIECE IN LINE WITH THE BUDGET. IT'S GOING TO BE EVIDENT THAT WE DON'T GET TOO FAR AHEAD. THAT'S GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER. WE MAY HAVE A WELL-INFORMED PROGRAM. HEY, WE HAVE A PROGRAMMATIC BUDGET. FORWARD, YOU HAVE THOSE PIECES. WE KEEP CONSTANTLY MAKING SURE WE ARE ON TRACK, THAT IF WE DO THAT AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, AND WE DON'T HAVE A SURPRISE. WE ARE ALWAYS IN TOUCH WITH THAT AND ALWAYS IN LINE WITH YOU GUYS. THAT IS OUR PROCESS. I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE PRESENTATION, BUT THAT IS THE PART WHERE YOU COME INTO PLAY, AND THAT IS WHERE THE FUN REALLY HAPPENS. THAT IS WHERE YOU SEE THE THINGS THAT MATTER. AND AGAIN, SOME THINGS MAY MATTER MORE TO OTHERS. YOU MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM PIECE. BUT ALL THOSE THINGS COME TOGETHER. THAT IS WHAT BRINGS US FORWARD. THOSE WORKSHOPS ARE REALLY VITAL TO OUR OVERALL SUCCESS. IT IS A FRAMEWORK. AND THEN WE WILL DEFINE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. >> THERE IS ABSOLUTELY SOME CONCERN ON THE ANIMAL SHELTER SIDE THAT WE DO IT RIGHT, DO IT WHERE IT IS PRACTICAL. WE WANT TO HANDLE THE ANIMALS THAT WE HAVE , AS WELL AS THE GUESTS WE HAVE COME INTO THE SHELTER. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE GIVEN ME FEEDBACK THAT WHAT GARLAND DID FOR THEIR SHELTER DIDN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE AND THERE WAS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE OPERATION, BUILDING, VERSUS THE MAKEUP OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. IT DIDN'T JELL VERY WELL WHEN IT CAME TIME TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE THE SHELTER. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE STICKLERS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE I THINK REALLY IS A QUESTION MORE FOR STAFF , AND IF IT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS CONVERSATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY DEFER IT, BUT WITH REGARD TO THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, IT IS LISTED IN MUNICIPAL COURT. HOLDING CELLS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE NOT INCLUDED. I'M WONDERING , WHAT IS THE VISION FOR OUR EXISTING POLICE FACILITY ONCE THIS IS DONE? >> COURT, JAIL. >> SPECIFICALLY THOSE FUNCTIONS. ANYTHING ELSE? >> NOT AT THIS TIME. THERE'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE VISIONING PROCESS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN WITH THAT, BUT THE IMMEDIATE VISION IS TO ENHANCE THE OPERATIONS IN THAT SITE, IN THAT LOCATION. >> OKAY. >> I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT JUST RECENTLY. ONE OF THE ISSUES THEY HAVE OUT THERE IS PARKING. TAKING THAT PARKING OUT OF THERE, AND CREATING MORE OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNSEL? -- COUNCIL? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT. >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US. >> THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT. >> SEE YOU ALL IN A FEW HOURS. >> 24 HOURS. [4B. Discuss Fiscal Year 2025 Budget issues raised during the June 17, 2024 Council Budget Strategy Session. (60 minutes).] >> 24. GOOD. >> ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS 4B, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET ISSUES RAISED DURING THE JUNE 17, 2024 COUNCIL BUDGET . >> I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO MOVE FORWARD. THESE ISSUES WE'LL DISCUSS TONIGHT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL RATE SCENARIOS. WE'VE GOT FOUR DIFFERENT PERMUTATIONS. WE ARE GOING TO START AT A HIGH LEVEL. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. POTENTIAL CHANGES WITH PUBLIC WORKS. JUNETEENTH AS A HOLIDAY AND ALSO ADDED, AS WELL. ADDITIONAL NONPROFIT GRANTS. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL GRANT REQUESTS BEFORE THE 19TH AND AFTER THE 17TH. WE WILL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. TO BE HONEST, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. WE GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET. WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT TONIGHT. WE WILL SEE MORE INFORMATION AS PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET. UTILITY RATE SCENARIO. INAUDIBLE ] >> YES? >> EXCUSE ME. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? OKAY. >> YOU WOULD BE MORE CONCISE THAN ME, I'M SURE. >> SO WE HAVE ON THE 17TH BUT WAS PRESENTED. YOU ASKED US FOR SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT THINGS. ALTERNATIVE ONE IS SOME CHANGES THAT I RECOMMEND WE MAKE REGARDLESS OF THE OTHER OPTIONS. WE LOOKED AT WHERE WE WERE WITH CAPITAL PLANNING. WE REALIZED WE DIDN'T HAVE A STRONG NEED FOR THE $7 MILLION REVENUE BOND THAT WE HAD PLANNED. WE MOVED TO THAT FROM PLANNING. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DID ADD IN THE COST FOR CHANGES IN PUBLIC [00:25:06] WORKS PERSONNEL, THE IMPACT UTILITY RATE. WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM, I WILL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS ON THE DEBT SIZE. MORE COSTS ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE. THE RESULT IS A 7% INCREASE, ET CETERA, ON THAT. SCENARIOS ARE LOOKING AT OUR FUND BALANCE. TAKING THE RATE DOWN AND USING SOME OF THAT FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR OUR OPERATIONAL COSTS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT RISKY IF YOU SEE IT AND TAKE IT ON. IT'S NOT GOING TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. IT IS A 2% CHANGE. IT WAS A CHANGE IN THE WATER BASE RATE. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS US. THAT IS BASICALLY TARGETING NO INCREASE. IN SCENARIO ONE, IT'S ABOUT A $250,000 INCREASE IN OUR OPERATIONS. NUMBER THREE, AGAIN, THIS HAS MORE OF THE FUND BALANCE AND TAKES THE STONE TO $329,000. BASICALLY COMING DOWN. 110 DAYS OF OPERATION. THAT BASICALLY TAKES US DOWN TO NO CHARGE. 2%, 2%, 2%. AND YOU CAN GO FURTHER THAN THAT. TAKE ANOTHER 15 DAYS OF 1.6 1.7 THERE. WE ACTUALLY WOULD BE ABLE TO DECREASE THE RATE. YOU SEE THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN. THE KEY QUESTION WE THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS, WHAT DOES THAT CREATE AS FAR AS A FUTURE PLAN? AND WE HAVE THAT IN THIS SLIDE HERE, WHICH KIND OF PUTS IT ALL ON THE SAME -- WE DO THIS THIS YEAR. WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO US NEXT YEAR AND YEARS MOVING FORWARD? THIS TOP ONE IS WHERE WE WERE. ALL OF THESE OPTIONS ARE BELOW WHERE WE WERE. $7 MILLION IN DEBT INITIALLY. YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINE, WHICH IS THE SCENARIO ONE, WHICH TAKES THAT $7 MILLION OUT, AND AT SOME WORKS. IN ADDITION, THEY ALSO SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OUR CURRENT FUND BALANCE. THERE IS A TWO IN THERE, WHICH TRACKS CLOSE TO SCENARIO ONE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A BUMP IN LATER YEARS. YOU CAN SEE SCENARIO THREE. AND THEN SCENARIO FOUR. IT MAY GO DOWN THIS YEAR. WE MAY HAVE A BUMP NEXT YEAR. WE ARE KIND OF CATCHING UP A LITTLE BIT NEXT YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE UP FOR SOME OF THAT LOSS OF BALANCE. WE HAVE A LOT MORE DETAIL THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. IF YOU WANT THEM. WE WANT TO START WITH THIS HIGH ONE. WE WANT TO SEE IF THERE IS ONE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. WE WANT TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION. >> THAT IS GREAT. >> SO MAYOR COUNCIL, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS TOPIC THAT YOU RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING. >> GO BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE. >> I LIKE SCENARIO TWO, I THINK. I DON'T WANT TO REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE. THAT DOESN'T AFFECT IT. THE CASH ON HAND -- I KNOW THERE IS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF -- THERE ARE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS OF CASH ON HAND THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE. >> IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE ASKED OUR CONSULTANT. IT IS 120 TO 150 DISPARATE >> I GET IT, BUT ALSO, WHAT IS OUR POLICY SAY? NO DISRESPECT TO THE CONSULTANTS. >> OUR POLICY SAYS 90 DAYS. TO BE CLEAR, THE REST IS DISCRETIONARY POLICY BY YOU. >> SO THE 120 WOULD BE IN BETWEEN THERE. RATE INCREASE THAT WOULD BE NOT HUGE, OBVIOUSLY. >> IT DOESN'T GIVE AN INCREASE. -- DECREASE. IT ARRESTS THE GROWTH. THE ONLY DECREASE TO THE RIGHT IS IN SCENARIO FOUR. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE. I LIKE NUMBER 2. >> I ACTUALLY LIKE SCENARIO NUMBER 1. I THINK I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE RATE INCREASE KIND OF CONSISTENT . I WOULD RATHER HAVE A SLOPING CURVE WITHOUT A BIG INCREASE NEXT YEAR OR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. >> CAN GO BACK TO YOUR GRAPH? >> SO THE GREEN ONE THERE IS UNDER SCENARIO 1. >> THEY ARE ALL FAIRLY GRADUAL. IT TAKES A PRETTY SHARP CUT. [00:30:01] >> I KIND OF LIKE SCENARIO 2. NOT MUCH, BUT IT'S A LITTLE. >> IT IS SOMETHING. IT IS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO MATTER. >> SORRY. I'M JUST SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. >> INITIALLY THINKING SCENARIO 2 AS WELL. I THINK THE MAIN REASON I CONSIDER SCENARIO 1 WOULD BE THAT THE WATER DISTRICT SEEMS INCONSISTENT ABOUT WHAT THEIR RATE INCREASES ARE GOING TO BE. AND WHILE THEY ARE FORECASTING OUT WHAT RATE INCREASES MIGHT BE TODAY, THEY MIGHT BE HIGHER DOSE THEY ARE LIKELY TO BE HIGHER IN THE FUTURE. THERE'S ALMOST 0 CHANCE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE LOWER. THERE IS SOME CHANCE THAT IT MIGHT BE THE SAME. THERE IS PROBABLY A HIGH CHANCE THAT IT WILL BE HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE FORECASTING TODAY. SO BUILDING THE FUND BALANCE A LITTLE BIT ALLOWS US TO ABSORB THOSE INCREASES OVER TIME. CERTAINLY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INCREASED TODAY, BUT THAT WAS THE STRATEGY COUNSEL IMPLEMENTED YEARS BEFORE I CAME ALONG TO KIND OF SMOOTH THOSE INCREASES AND ABSORB SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF THOSE MAJOR ANNUAL INCREASES THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. I'M DEFINITELY TORN BETWEEN 1 AND 2 AND AS FAR AS THE GRAPH GOES, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE. >> GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE. >> SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION HERE FOR MY LITTLE FINANCIAL BRAIN HERE? SO FROM A MANAGEMENT POINT OF VIEW -- ASSET MANAGEMENT POINT OF VIEW -- WE HAVE 114 -- 140. >> THAT IS DAYS. >> THAT IS DAYS. SO THE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN ANY OF THE 115, 116, SO THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SCENARIO 1 AND SCENARIO 2 FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, IT IS REALLY, WHAT DO YOU FEEL TO SORT OF GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE WIGGLE ROOM IF THAT IS THE TERM. UNDER SCENARIO 1. IS THAT SORT OF CORRECT? >> ARE YOU ASKING WHAT GIVES US THE MOST OPERATIONAL WIGGLE ROOM? >> YES. >> ALWAYS HAVING MORE MONEY IN THE BANK. THE POINT OF THIS EXERCISE WITH THE COUNCIL IS TO GIVE YOU SOME POLICY OPTIONS. QUITE WRINKLY, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU WILL NOTICE, BETWEEN SCENARIO 3 -- IT IS EQUALLY A GRADUAL INCREASE, RIGHT? AS SCENARIO 1. SO YOU HAVE OPTIONS. I'M NEVER GOING TO ADVOCATE REDUCING OUR FUND BALANCE, BUT YOU CAN. YOU CAN IF YOU CHOOSE TO. I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THAT REDUCTION IS TERMINAL TO OUR OPERATIONS. RIGHT? I WOULD CANDIDLY SAY THAT ANY OF US FROM AN OPERATIONS STANDPOINT FAVOR GOING DOWN TO 95 DAYS. BUT I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PRESENT THAT OPTION TO YOU BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, IT IS YOUR DECISION. >> CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT? SO IN THE REPORT, IT SHOWED THEY HAD 160 SOMETHING DAYS. SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? WHERE ARE WE CALCULATING DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE COLLATING? >> THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY CALCULATE WORKING CAPITAL, WHICH IS THE DATA EXPENSE. -- DAYS OF EXPENSE. OUR POLICY IS DAYS OF CASH. THIS IS THE CASH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR POLICY. >> SO WHEN -- SO FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THE STATEMENT THAT 120 TO 130 DAYS IS MORE RELATING TO THE OPERATING DAYS ON HAND. >> IT IS MORE RELATED TO THE WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE. ESSENTIALLY, YOU ARE ALREADY MEETING THAT GUIDELINE BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING CASH BALANCES HIGHER THAN YOUR CASH BALANCE IS. >> SO WE DO MEET -- AT LEAST WILL ADVANCE . >> IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY. THAT IS WHAT I DECREE WOULD BE GOOD POLICY, BUT -- >> IN REALITY, WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT METHODS HERE. >> RIGHT. >> I'M REALLY BETWEEN 1 AND 2. I SEE THE VALUE IN THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE , BUT I ALSO [00:35:05] AM ATTRACTED TO THE MORE MODEST APPROACH WITH SCENARIO 2 , AND -- >> I THINK I LIKE SCENARIO 2 FROM THE COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, WITH THE GROWTH THERE, WHEREAS SCENARIO 1 RAMPS UP THE INCREASE TO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. AND THERE'S ALWAYS AN INCREASE THEIR OF $30, BUT TO TAKE THAT UP A THIRD 238, 39, I THINK KEEPING THAT MORE MODEST IS PROBABLY A BETTER APPROACH. I'M ON SCENARIO 2. NO ANSWER. >> OKAY. SO SCENARIO 2, SCENARIO 2, SCENARIO 2, SCENARIO 2 , 2, 2? >> I'M STILL >> HOW MANY CHANGES FOR PUBLIC WORKS? THAT'S MY GUESS. FOR THIS ONE. >> THANK YOU FOR GETTING HERE PRETTY DARN EARLY. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE EASIEST PRESENTATIONS I'VE EVER HAD. >> THANK YOU. >> WE WERE ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL FOR SEPARATE PUBLIC WORKS PLAN. ACTUALLY, THE WORD SEPARATE DIDN'T COME OUT. I DID THAT MYSELF SO THERE WAS NO CONFUSION WITH THE GENERAL PAY PLAN. WE ARE INCREASING ENTRY PAY, IN PARTICULAR. WE FOCUSED IN CUSTODIAN , MAINTENANCE SPECIALIST 1, MAINTENANCE SPECIALIST 2. THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE COME IN. WE WANTED TO RAISE THAT BOTTOM END COME AND BALANCE OUT THE NEXT STEPS ALONG THE WAY SO THAT THE BOTTOM GETS INCREASED MORE THAN THE OTHER STEPS UP THROUGH, ABOUT GRADE HEAT IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. >> IT IS 116,000. WATER AND SEWER, ABOUT 104. >> SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT, 426,000 OR SO. SO WHAT I DID WAS, I WENT OUT TO OUR 18 COMPARISON CITIES, AND I GOT THE AVERAGE PAY FOR THOSE CITIES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE AT THE VERY TOP LINE. I WENT AHEAD AND PUT THE HIGH AND LOW IN C CAN SEE HOW BIG OF A VARIANCE THERE IS, DEPENDING ON WHICH CITY YOU ARE LOOKING AT. I PUT AN -- ROWLETT'S ENTRY PAY. OUR GOAL WAS TO GET IT ABOVE THE AVERAGE FOR EACH ONE OF THE CATEGORIES. >> ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? >> SO THIS CAN ONLY BE FOR THOSE ENTRY-LEVEL POSITIONS. >> SO IT ACTUALLY BUILDS UP THROUGH MOST OF THE HOURLY POSITIONS. >> OKAY. IT STARTS AT THE BOTTOM AND GOES UP A LOT, AND THEN IT GRADUALLY TAPERS OFF AS YOU GO UP. IT IS DOES REMEMBER. A PERCENTAGE OF LESSONS. YOU BUILD IT UP. AND WE ALSO KEPT THOSE RANGES SEPARATE. THERE IS ENTRY PLAY. EACH ONE DOESN'T OVERLAP WITH EACH OTHER. >> WE WANTED TO TRY CREATING IT -- AND ADJACENCY, WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC. >> HOW MANY STEPS DO WE -- >> THIS WOULD CREATE AN EIGHT STEP SPECIFIC PUBLIC WORKS PAID PLAN. IT WOULD BE PULLED OUT FROM THE GENERAL PAID PLAN. FIVE >> THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN POLICE AND FIRE. >> THIS IS NOT A STEP PLANTLIKE POLICE AND FIRE WOULD BE. >> THIS IS EIGHT GRADES. >> OKAY. >> DO WE HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF SEATS IN EACH NUMBER OF THESE GRADES? SPECIFIC NUMBER OF -- >> WE DO. WE DIDN'T LOOK AT EACH OF THE POSITIONS. >> THIS IS HOW THIS WORKS. WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY SPECIALISTS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. FOR NOW. >> >> THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, LET ME SAY THIS. THERE IS BASICALLY A PERCENTAGE INCREASE TO THE FIRST POSITION WE LOOKED AT. ABOUT 15%, AND TO RICHARD'S POINT, WE REDUCED IT AS WE WENT UP WITH RESPECT TO THE POSITIONS. >> I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE. >> I LIKE IT. >> YEAH. ME TOO. >> WE'VE HAD A TURNOVER PROBLEM. >> THAT LEVEL AND ACTUALLY THE LEVEL WE ARE NOT SHOWING YOU. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TALK ABOUT THIS. THE SUPERVISORY LEVEL. WE HAVE BEEN DECIMATED. IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, WE LOST SEVEN POSITIONS. MANY COMING FROM THE SUPERVISORY RANKS BECAUSE OUR COMPETITORS CITIES IN THE DISTRICT ARE PAYING ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE DOLLARS [00:40:19] AND FOUR DOLLARS PER HOUR ABOVE. >> ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT? >> THAT IS WHAT THIS DESPERATE >>WE DIDN'T GET INTO ALL THAT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM IS HERE, BUT THIS PLANT REALLY TAKES CARE OF THAT SIGNIFICANTLY AND MAKES US SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COMPETITIVE, ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE STRENGTHS WHERE WE ARE BLEEDING. SO WHEN YOU ARE SEEING THIS TURNOVER AND THIS ATTRITION, IT IS NOT DUE TO ANYTHING BUT THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE SIMPLY CANNOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME MATCH PAY. YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH THESE POSITIONS. BELIEVE YOU ME, WITH THE RESPECT OF MAYBE ONE OR TWO BANDS, THAT IS THE CASE IN TERMS OF ACTUAL SALARIES WITH EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC WORKS POSITION. >> WHAT OTHER CITIES DID YOU INAUDIBLE ] STANDARD 18? >> YES. AND I GOT INFORMATION FROM ALL 18. >> THANK YOU. >> SO THIS WHOLE TOPIC OF PUBLIC WORKS INCREASES CAME UP RESULTING FROM THE DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC SAFETY, SPECIFIC WITH POLICE. CORRECTION POINT IN THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS TURNOVER AND THAT BEING AN ISSUE. DO WE HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HIGH RATES OF TURNOVER AND IS IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION? BUT I KNOW THERE'S HAS BEEN MOST EGREGIOUS. >> AND WE DID OUR STANDARD SURVEY. THAT LOOKS INTO REPRESENTATIVE POSITIONS. IT DOESN'T DO ALL POSITIONS, AND NONE OF THESE THREE POSITIONS WERE IN THAT STANDARD SURVEY. >> THEY WERE. >> NO, THEY WERE. I LOOKED AT IT. REMEMBER? >> THEY ARE. THEY ARE. AND THEY SHOWED THAT WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE BIGGEST, MOST EGREGIOUS GROUP THAT IS SUFFERING DOES REMEMBER. PUBLIC WORKS IS OUR THIRD LARGEST DEPARTMENT, AND THEY ARE BLEEDING PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT HERE. WE ARE HAVING THIS ISSUE ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. PROBABLY, BUT NOT TO THE SAME DEGREE. >> I'M CONCERNED THAT IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE CONVERSATION ON THE POLICE, WE MIGHT NEVER HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. >> YOU WOULD'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. I WAS GOING TO BRING IT TO YOU. BELIEVE YOU ME, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. WE HAVE TO. >> I'M HAPPY THEY TOOK THE INITIATIVE RECENTLY TO TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, THE CONCRETE WORK IN THE ASPHALT WORK AND ALL THAT. I CERTAINLY HAVE NO PROBLEM. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> DID THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SHOW WHERE THE FUNDING CAME ? >> IT DID. >> OKAY. OKAY. >> YEAH. AGAIN. FULLY SUPPORTIVE. COUNCIL, ARE WE DOING THIS? >> YES. >> GREAT. >> THANK YOU. >> AWESOME. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. FOR SURE. >> SO WE HAD A REQUEST ABOUT ADDING A HOLIDAY. REALLY, THIS WOULD GO FOR ANY HOLIDAY. NOT NECESSARILY JUST JUNETEENTH. I BROKE THE EMPLOYEES OUT INTO THESE SPECIFIC GROUPS TO APPLY HOLIDAYS IN ANOTHER FASHION. FOR REGULAR EMPLOYEES, WE WOULD GET A DAY OFF THAT IS NINE HOURS. IF YOU ARE THEY HAVE TO REQUEST TIME OFF LIKE THEY REQUEST OFF VACATION. WORKING WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, WE DECIDED 25 OF THOSE DAYS WOULD PROBABLY BE SECOND. AND I WORK WITH POLICE. POLICE -- ALL OF THOSE GROUPS OF POLICE ALSO ADD LEAVE TIME TO THEIR BANK AND I DIDN'T PUT IN ANY BACKFILL BECAUSE THEY ONLY BACKFILL WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS IN SICK, WHICH COULD HAPPEN, OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMEONE IS ON VACATION, BUT I DIDN'T PUT ANY NUMBERS IN HERE TO TRY TO GUESS WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD ACTUALLY BE. SO THE DIRECT COST -- THE BACKFILLING OF SWORN POSITIONS -- WE GUESSED 25 SHIFTS. AND 50 SHIFTS TOTAL THAT SOME OF THEM WOULD BE ABLE TO BE COVERED, AND THEN ALL THE REST OF THAT GROUP, THE IMPACTS ARE -- AN ADDITIONAL DAY OFF OR A NONPRODUCTIVE WORKDAY FOR THE REST OF THE STAFF, ESSENTIALLY. ULTIMATELY, OFFICES CLOSE , AND SO FORTH, JUST LIKE ON ANY OTHER HOLIDAY. >> THAT'S IT. SIMPLE AS THAT. >> HOW MANY HOLIDAYS DO WE HAVE? >> WE HAVE 10. >> AND HAVE YOU SURVEYED OTHER CITIES TO SEE HOW MANY THEY HAVE? >> I DID NOT REACH OUT TO OTHER CITIES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT >> I DID THE SURVEY RECENTLY IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION. IT WAS 12, 13. MOST CITIES HAVE >> HAVE YOU CONSIDERED FLOATING HOLIDAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE [00:45:03] AT WHATEVER TIME? >> WE HAVE A FLOATING HOLIDAY THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCEPT FIRE. THEY TAKE THIS -- 9/11 IS THEIR HOLIDAY. WE DO BUILD IN THOSE 10 HOLIDAYS. >> I MEAN, CONSIDER ANOTHER FLOATING HOLIDAY IN LIEU OF THIS. >> I WANT TO TAKE THIS AWAY FROM RICHARD. THIS WAS A COUNCIL DRIVEN REQUEST. WE WANTED TO FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION RELATED THEREIN. NOW, WE PRESENTED TO YOU. >> YEAH. THE SAME CHALLENGE EXISTS. >> THE CHALLENGE WITH THE FLOATING HOLIDAY IS THAT WE WOULDN'T CLOSE THE OFFICES. >> THERE IS SOME BENEFIT ASSOCIATED THEREIN. >> I CAN'T REMEMBER. THE STATE OF TEXAS RECOGNIZES JUNETEENTH. IS IT A PAID HOLIDAY FOR STATE EMPLOYEES? >> IT IS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY. >> IT IS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY. >> EMPLOYEES ARE PRETTY >> IF THEY ADOPTED IT. >> THAT IS WHAT I'M ASKING. >> I THINK TEXAS WAS THE FIRST TO ADOPT IT. >> IT IS THE STATE, NOT THE CITY. >> IT IS FEDERAL. >> IT IS FEDERAL. >> THERE ARE OTHER CITIES, TOO, THAT HAVE TAKEN THIS DATE FOR A HOLIDAY, FOR A DAY OFF. I SAW SOMETHING I WAS SENT RECENTLY. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. >> I KNOW GARLAND HAS JUNETEENTH OFF. >> MY BIG CONCERN IS, WE ARE ON A FOUR DAY WORK WEEK. I KNOW WE HAVE FIVE DAYS OF OFFICES WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW , COVERING EVERYTHING SO THE OFFICES ARE OPEN. I JUST DON'T KNOW. A FOUR-DAY WORKWEEK, I MEAN FENCE -- WE DID IT FOR A LOT OF REASONS. EVERYTHING ELSE. IF IT WAS A REGULAR FIVE-DAY WORKWEEK AND EVERY BODY SHOWED UP -- THEY ARE GETTING A LONG WEEKEND -- THEY MIGHT BE MORE OPEN TO IT. I'M NOT PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT IT BUT I WILL DEFER TO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAYS. AGAIN, THE FOUR DAY WORK WEEK . >> I'M MORE INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT. THE DOLLARS IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT HIT AND HEARING THAT WE ARE ON THE LOWER END OF NUMBER OF HOLIDAYS, ALSO, I WANT TO KIND OF TRADE ANY INITIATIVE TO MOVE OUR JULY 4TH TO JULY 3RD, AND I WANT TO SAY, INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, WE CAN KEEP OUR JULY 4TH ON JULY 4TH. >> MAYOR, YOU LOANED ME. INAUDIBLE ] >> THAT'S THE DEAL. I'M A DEALMAKER. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST OF FEDERAL HOLIDAYS AND THERE IS 11. I'M GUESSING JUNETEENTH IS THE ONLY RUN WE DON'T CELEBRATE AS A CITY. >> IT IS. TO ME, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE . IT STARTED AS A TEXAS HOLIDAY AND WAS ADOPTED AS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY. IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE ADOPTED. >> THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I THINK WE FOLLOW FEDERAL GUIDELINES -- IT IS FEDERAL -- IT IS TEXAS TIME OFF IS HELPFUL FOR THAT DISCUSSION. AND ALSO, I LIKE THE FLOATING HOLIDAY IDEA, BUT THE CHALLENGE IS TAKING YOUR FLOATING HOLIDAY, THERE STILL SUBMITTING EMAILS. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A DAY OFF. SHUTTING DOWN IS A TRUE DAY OFF. I THINK IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. >> YEAH. >> I'VE HEARD ENOUGH YESES. WE GOOD? WE GOOD? >> I HAVE NO ISSUE. >> OKAY. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER. >> 1234. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED. >> WE ARE NOT IN THE REGULAR -- >> WE PUT THIS IN THE GENERAL FUND , MAINTENANCE, IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL. $500,000 GENERAL FUND REVENUE. EXPENDITURES, AND -- IN THE OPERATIONS FUND. >> SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO RON MCCARTY FOR THAT PHOTO. I SEE IT IS WATERMARKED IN THE CORNER. THAT IS A CHALLENGE FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS. I LIKE THIS IDEA. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHAMBER BUILDING. THE CHAMBER BUILDING IS THE BUILDING THAT THE CITY OWNS AND HAS LEASED THE CHAMBER -- AND IT HAS DISH [00:50:15] IT HAS SOME PRETTY MAJOR NEEDS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. THERE IS SOME WOOD. IT HAS BEEN PAINTED OVER THE TOP OF. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT UNLESS YOU GET UP AND LOOK AT IT. IT'S IN PRETTY TERRIBLE SHAPE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SUPPLEMENT THIS OR MAKE AN APPLICATION TO GET IT UP TO SNUFF. MAINTENANCE BUDGET IS, BUT THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF THAT FUND THAT COULD GO TO -- >> 40, 45. >> IT IS 45,000 . I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. ] IT'S NOT A LOT. >> THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. >> THAT'S NOTHING. >> THAT'S NOT A LOT. >> WE DO HAVE SOME CAPITAL FUNDS, AS WELL. >> YEAH, AND REALLY -- THAT 40 -- >> IT'S NOT A LOT. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER. BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, WE CAN CERTAINLY ENHANCE THE FUNDING FOR THE EXISTING FACILITIES. THE EXISTING CITY FACILITIES. WE CAN CREATE THIS AS A LINE ITEM. APPROPRIATION. WE CAN ADD -- THAT CHAMBER BUILDING IS FUNDED OUT OF OUR MAINTENANCE. THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC CARD. YOU CAN MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT FOR ANOTHER BUILDING THAT WE LEASE. RIGHT? THAT IS WHAT YOU SAY. THAT IS WHAT WE WILL DO. >> DID WE CONFIRM THAT IT IS 45,000 FOUR >> I WOULD PROPOSE TO BRING THAT BUDGET UP TO 100,000. >> CAN WE DO THIS -- CAN REMIT TO THE NEXT TOPIC, COME BACK TO THIS ONCE WE'VE DONE A LITTLE RESEARCH? WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE TOPICS TO GO OVER. THEN WE WILL CONVERSATION. >> NONPROFITS. THIS IS WHAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR. WE INVESTED HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LAST YEAR. THIS YEAR, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF THAT YOU ORDERED ON THE 17TH THERE. YET OPERATION OUTREACH. AND THE COMMUNITY PROJECT. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE DOCUMENTS ARE THERE, AND THAT -- IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER THEM. >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T FEEL IT IS INCUMBENT ON US TO REPRESENT THESE ENTITIES. I DON'T WANT TO BE CAST INTO THE POSITION TO DO THAT. WE WERE FACILITATORS OF THE APPLICATION TO YOU. >> WHEN I PUT THE GRANT REQUEST FORM OR THE GRANT REQUEST POLICY -- THE CURRENT POLICY TOGETHER, A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, THE INTENT -- AND WHAT IS LISTED AS QUALIFYING AGENCIES ARE THOSE THAT OFFER PUBLIC SAFETY AND DISASTER RELIEF SERVICES ASSISTANCE, BASIC NEEDS AND SERVICES FOR VETERANS. BASIC NEEDS AND SERVICES FOR PEOPLE WITH LOWER INCOME, ASSISTANCE TO THE ROWLETT ANIMAL SHELTER. THOSE WERE THE QUALIFYING CRITERIA FOR AGENCIES WE WERE LOOKING AT PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. THIS WAS NOT INTENDED TO BECOME AN OPEN FOR ALL NONPROFIT APPLICATION GRANT . IT JUST WOULD NOT BE A SUSTAINABLE THING FOR THE CITY TO DO POINT IT IS NOT THE BUSINESS WE ARE IN. AND SO, THESE SERVICES, PUBLIC SAFETY AND DISASTER RELIEF ASSISTANCE -- BASIC NEEDS FOR VETERANS. BASIC NEEDS AND SERVICES FOR LOW INCOME. THOSE ARE THE ONES IN WHICH WE MEET THE QUALIFYING FACTORS . AS A RESULT, ROWLETT COUNCIL IS A PUBLIC SAFETY AND DISASTER RELIEF PROGRAM. FRIENDS OF RESCUED ANIMALS IS FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER. SR. CITIZENS OF ROWLETT'S BASIC NEEDS AND SERVICES FOR PEOPLE WITH LOWER INCOMES. OPERATION COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS FOR PEOPLE WITH LOWER INCOMES. THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE ON THEIR DO NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA AS A RESULT, MY RECOGNITION IS TO STICK WITH THOSE NONPROFIT GROUPS IN WHICH MEET THE CRITERIA AND OUR CURRENT POLICY. >> I AGREE. >> AND I ACTUALLY, I WAS ACTUALLY A BOARD MEMBER OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AND SO I [00:55:05] NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF. >> OKAY. >> IT WILL BE QUICK. I MEAN, WE ARE NOT -- SO >> HE IS NOT PARTICIPATING. >> SO, I MEAN, AS IN MY STATEMENT YOU HEARD ME MENTION OPERATION COMMUNITY OUTREACH. I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY OF THE IMMENSE WORK THEY DO WITH THE FOOD PANTRY SERVICES. ARE Y'ALL GOOD WITH ADDING THEM? >> YES. >> AGREED. >> DO Y'ALL AGREE WITH THE OTHER THING I SAID? >> MAYOR, FOR CLARITY FOR US BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ] -- YOU CAN GO ONE BY ONE AND GIVE US YAYS AND NAYS. THE NEW ONE, SIR. >> SORRY? >> THE NUANCE. YOU AGREE TO THE OTHER ONES. THE ONES ON THE TABLE FOR TONIGHT. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO OUT OF THE NUANCE TO ONLY FIND OPERATION COMMUNITY OUTREACH. >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> WE CAN GO BACK IF YOU WANT. >> YES. >> LET'S GO BACK. DID WE GET THE ANSWER? >> WE DID. WHAT IS IT? >> 55 AND SOME CHANGE. >> SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADD THE 25,000 INTO THAT BUDGET AND GET THAT BUDGET TO A TOTAL OF 100,000. >> WE CAN, BUT IT WILL NOT SPEAK 25. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE WILL ONLY SPEND 25 UNCOIL BY THE WAY. THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR. IT WOULD BE MIXED INTO THE POT THAT WE SPENT ON THE CHAMBER BUILDING, THIS BUILDING, OR ANY OF THE OTHER CITY ASPECTS. GOOD WITH HAVING IT AS A LINE ITEM BY HIM. MY ONLY THING IS MY EXPECTATION IS TO FIX THE THINGS THAT ARE BROKE ALL YEAR ROUND. SO THINGS BREAK IN COYLE HOUSE, I EXPECT THAT TO BE FIXED OUT OF THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE BUDGET. IT IS MORE EXPECTING US TO DO OUR JOBS AND HAVING A SPECIFIC LINE ITEM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS NECESSARY IF WE ARE DOING OUR JOBS. RIGHT? DO YOU HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING? >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THIS IS NOT MY PROPOSAL. SO I INAUDIBLE ] ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> IT WAS MY PROPOSAL. I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THOSE SEGREGATED FUNDS. I FEEL LIKE IT IS THE HISTORICAL HOME THAT WE HAVE, AND I DO BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN AT HOME. AND WE HAVE IT TO THE LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO GO AND ENJOY IT. >> HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WORKS WITH POTENTIAL FUTURE WITH YOU, WITH KRB AND THE COIL -- COYLE HOUSE? >> IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU GIVE US THIS MONEY. OPERATIONALLY, IF YOU PUT IT AS A SEPARATE ACCOUNT, WHAT IT DOES IS RESTRICT THE MONEY. THERE IS THE IMPACT. SO WE ARE CLEAR. IT WOULD RESTRICT THAT MONEY. I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE A HIGHER BUDGET WITH RESPECT TO THE FACILITIES AND TO YOUR POINT, IT IS PART OF DOING OUR JOBS AND GETTING BETTER AT DOING OUR JOBS THAT THERE IS AN EXPECTATION TO MAINTAIN TO THE LEVELS OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS GRID THAT IS THE EXPECTATION WE SHOULD MEET, IRRESPECTIVE OF IF YOU LINE ITEM APPROPRIATE OR NOT. >> THAT IS MY POINT. >> WOULD IT REQUIRE ENHANCED FUNDING FOR FACILITIES? ABSOLUTELY. >> I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT. ADVANCED FUNDING FOR FACILITIES. I CERTAINLY IN FUTURE YEARS WOULD EXPECT COUNCIL , AND THE FUTURE, MAY DECIDE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SEGREGATE THOSE. THAT WOULD BE UP TO A FUTURE COUNCIL, BUT I THINK FOR NOW, I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MONEY SET ASIDE SO WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT IT IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED TO THE LEVEL THAT WE NEEDED TO BE. >> I'M SORRY I DIDN'T THINK OF THIS SOONER. YOU KNOW, WE ARE EXPECTING A NEW SYSTEM DIRECTOR OF PARKS TO JOIN US AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. THERE ARE GOING TO BE A TOP -- COUPLE OF TOP PRIORITIES FOR THEM TO GET THESE PRODUCTS MOVING SUCH AS KIDS KINGDOM AND PICK UP WITH [01:00:08] ANOTHER ONE, BUT REALISTICALLY, THIS PROJECT WON'T BE FINISHED UNTIL PROBABLY MIDWAY THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2025. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT -- HOPEFULLY, IF WE DO IT RIGHT, WHICH I SURE EXPECT TO COME I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED THIS ENHANCED LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE DOLLARS, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT IS LINE ITEM APPROPRIATED JUST FOR COYLE HOUSE WITHIN THE SPAN OF FIVE OR SIX MONTHS IN FISCAL YEAR 25. SO I'M PROBABLY -- I WAS REMISS IN NOT REMEMBERING THAT OR NOT THINKING THAT THROUGH THIS PART OF IT. JUST SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT YOU DID DEDICATE A LOT OF MONEY FOR US TO REHABILITATE COYLE HOUSE, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO DO, BUT WHEN YOU ABOUT THE TIMING OF THAT PROJECT, WHICH EVEN THROUGH ABLATION, SEVERAL MONTHS, REALISTICALLY 5 TO 7 MONTHS AWAY, THAT PUTS YOU ALMOST INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE FISCAL YEAR. DO WE NEED TO TURN AROUND AND ENHANCE OUR MAINTENANCE? WE MAY HAVE SOME OPERATIONAL BURDENS . PART OF THAT IS COMING BACK TO YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE TRUE UTILIZATION OF THAT SPACE. THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN FACILITIES MAINTENANCE. >> AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING. WE ARE PUTTING A BUNCH OF MONEY. WE ARE GOING TO DO, I HOPE, AN EXTENSIVE RENOVATION. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE GET DONE. I'M NOT SAYING THIS WITHOUT PREMATURE BUT I WOULD RATHER GET THROUGH THE PROJECT, LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE AT. HOPEFULLY IT IS -- CLOSE EVERYONE'S MINDS AND SAY THIS IS GREAT, AND MAYBE WE APPROACH IT DIFFERENTLY AND CREATE AN ASSET OUT OF THAT. JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS PREMATURE. >> I DO AGREE THAT WE DO NEED TO INCREASE OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE SO THAT WE DON'T GET INTO THIS SITUATION AGAIN. >> YES. >> AND WE ADDRESS THE CHAMBER 100% OF THE TIME. >> THE OTHER THING -- THE OTHER ITEM WAS -- I DID TALK TO KRB, AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ASKING FOR THEIR $40,000 , SO CAN THE CITY PLEASE BE SURE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ALWAYS FUNDED IN ANNUAL FUNDING? I WILL SAY THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT TO ME BY AN ORGANIZATION HERE IN THE CITY. >> WELL, I AGREE WITH MIKE. I THINK TO ADDRESS THE OVERALL MAINTENANCE BUDGET AND THEN EARMARKING, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. >> AND IN FAIRNESS TO PRIOR STAFF, AS MUCH AS I CAN BE, I THINK PERHAPS SOME OF THE YOU THAT IF WE ENCOUNTER BUDGETARY RESTRAINTS , I WILL BE COMING BACK FOR A BUNCH OF ADJUSTMENTS. ESPECIALLY WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT LINEUP HAS BEEN A BIT SUPPRESSED AND DEPRESSED FOR A WHILE AND MAYBE THAT IS WHAT HAS DRIEN -- I DON'T KNOW, BUT I COULD SEE THAT IT WOULD DRIVE SOME OF THE -- DO WE KEEP THE AIR CONDITIONING RUNNING IN CITY HALL AND GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THESE ANCILLARY FACILITIES? >> IT CLEAR MANY TIMES THAT OUR FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ON MAINTAINING THE ASSETS WE HAVE. MAINTAINING THE ASSETS WE HAVE. WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE. I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT APPROACH TO TAKE. BOTH OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED -- DON'T LINE ITEM IT, BUT GROW THAT FUNDING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO >> SO AM I HEARING 100,000? >> ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. >> WE ARE GOING TO RAISE THE >> THAT WAS NOT AN INCREASE TO MY SALARY, SIR. LET'S MAKE SURE THIS IS CLEAR. THAT IS GOING TO BE THE TOTAL OF THE FACILITIES BUDGET. >> >> 100,000. >> TO THE POINT, ALL OF THE FACILITIES BUDGETS THIS PAST YEAR WAS 55,000. 12 SHORT OF WHAT WE NEED TO BE MAINTAINING THINGS. EVEN IF YOU HAD 25 TO IT, YOU GET 80. >> ARE WE STARTING NOW? >> AS FAST AS WE CAN UP TO SPEED ON SOME OF THE ISSUES. WE ARE NOT GOING TO WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER 1. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO. >> ALL RIGHT. IS THAT IT? IS [01:05:01] THAT IT ON THE BUDGET? >> TWO QUESTIONS. SORRY. THIS IS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. >> GO FOR IT. >> WE HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED. YET QUESTIONS ABOUT INAUDIBLE ] . >> DON'T ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS ON THE CIP. IT IS VERY FLUID RIGHT NOW. AND WE WANTED TO GIVE IT TO YOU, BUT AS WE LOOKED AT WHERE WE WERE, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE COULD DO IT JUSTICE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU PROBABLY RIGHTFULLY WILL ASK. WHEN I PRESENT THE BUDGET PRELIMINARILY TO YOU ON AUGUST 5TH, THAT WILL BE PART OF IT. WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK AT THE TIME. I KNOW WE INCLUDED SOMETHING IN THE PACKET. IT IS THE DIRECTION WE HAVE BEEN HEADED, BUT IT IS NOT FINALIZED. >> SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHAT'S IN THE PACKET? I'LL ASK IT, AND IF YOU DON'T IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER -- >> WILL BE READY WHEN WE CAN. >> THE QUESTION IS, WHEN WE HAD THE RANKING, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE COUNCIL, I KNOW FIRE STATIONS 1, 3, AND 4 WERE HIGH ON THAT LIST. THE BOND ISSUE IN THIS SCHEDULE WAS SLATED NOT FOR THIS YEAR BUT NEXT YEAR AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS INTENT TO SPEED THAT UP AT ALL OR IF OPERATIONALLY WE CAN'T -- >> OPERATIONALLY, WE CANNOT SHOULDER THAT LOAD. THAT IS THE REALITY. >> THAT'S THE QUESTION. >> NEXT QUESTION, BACK ON THE WATER THING QUESTIONS? WE MIGHT BE >> THE QUESTION FOR THE WATER IS, HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THE DECISION NOT TO ISSUE THE $7500 REVENUE. >> I WILL GLADLY ANSWER THAT. WE ARE THREE QUARTERS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 24. WE DID NOT HAVE% A READY PLAN OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND AS YOU ALSO KNOW, WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND IN THE EXISTING 50 TO 60 CAPITAL PROJECTS. IT MADE NO SENSE TO ME TO INCREASE THE RATE BURDEN WITHOUT A LEGITIMATE PATH FORWARD FOR THAT DEBT. THAT IS HOW I ARRIVED AT THE DECISION WE ARE NOT GOING TO ISSUE THAT THAT. THERE IS NO REASON TO. YOU ISSUE THAT THAT WITH LEGITIMATE CAPITAL PROJECTS LINED UP. WE ARE STRUGGLING TO GET THE CAPITAL PROJECTS WE HAVE COMPLETED AND OUT THE DOOR. SO WHY BURDEN RESIDENTS WITH AN ADDITIONAL RATE , BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT DOES, WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO SPEND THAT MONEY RIGHT NOW IN A TIMELY FASHION? WE HOPE THIS ALL THAT OBVIOUSLY COMING INTO FISCAL YEAR 26, BUT THAT IS HOW I ARRIVED AT THE DECISION. >> >> DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC FACING PORTAL THAT SHOWS REVENUE BOND ISSUED SIMILAR TO HOW WE HAVE THE CIP PORTAL? >> I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO, BUT I COULD BE CORRECTED ON THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. I THINK THAT IS PART OF SOMETHING WE CAN TRY TO ENHANCE OVERALL WITH RESPECT TO CAPITAL PROJECTS, QUITE FRANKLY. >> ONE THING I WANT TO LOOK AT WITH RELATION TO A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT -- 2015 , WE CLOSE THE DOOR. THE 2018 PROJECTS, 20 TONY PROJECTS. WHAT IS STILL OUTSTANDING? >> A LOT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE. >> LET'S FOCUS ON THE FORWARD FACING PIECE OF IT RIGHT NOW CANDIDLY AND FOCUS ON TRYING TO GET A LEGITIMATE INTERNAL HANDLE ON MOVING ON THIS PROJECTS BUT I THINK IT IS A LEGITIMATE ASK, ONE THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO TRY TO WORK TOWARDS, AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU -- I EXPECT WHEN WE PRESENT AN AUGUST 25TH, WE CAN GIVE YOU STATUS UPDATES ON ALL OF OUR CIP PROJECTS. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A THREE-HOUR PRESENTATION UNLESS YOU WANT IT. WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON. >> I DON'T THINK THINK WE NEED IT TO THE NTH DEGREE OF DETAIL BUT A LOOK AT WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE PAYING FOR, WHETHER THEY ARE PAYING FOR A WATER BILL OR PROPERTY TAX BILL, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING. >> YES. UNDERSTOOD. >> THANK YOU. >> YES SIR. >> STELLAR PRESENTATION. [4C. Presentation on the City of Rowlett Code Enforcement Operations which is a part of the Neighborhood Services Division to include: staffing, responsibilities, and activity levels. (30 minutes)] >> A LOT OF WORK TO DO. >> WE WILL GO TO ITEM 4C, PRESENTATION ON THE CITY OF ROWLETT CODE ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS WHICH IS A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DIVISION TO INCLUDE: STAFFING, RESPONSIBILITIES, AND ACTIVITY LEVELS. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WOULD WANT TO -- >> I DID, TOO. I'M SURPRISED TO SEE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING. [01:10:06] >> WORDS ON THE SIDE . IT SHOULD BE KIND OF A PACKET. I'M SORRY. >> IT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE COUNCIL -- >> I DON'T NEED TO KNOW. >> THERE ARE TWO SHEETS OF PAPER. THEY LOOK THE SAME. >> THERE ARE TWO OF THESE. >> DOES EVERYONE HAVE THEIR PACKET? >> YOU SOUNDED VERY MUCH LIKE A TEACHER FOR A MOMENT. YEAH. I WAS WAITING FOR >> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY. I MET YOU ALL HERE AT THE LAST WORKSHOP. SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JANET, NOT ME. WE WILL TRY TO GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD UPDATE HERE. OKAY. SO. AT THE COUNCIL BUDGET A DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING A NEW POSITION TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS REALLY HAPPENING AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW ON THAT. AND ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT COME UP. THIS IS JUST A CALLOUT, A PIECE FROM OUR CHURCH FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPED. THIS IS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE THAT THIS IS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT BUT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ALSO ENCOMPASSES ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND WE WANTED TO HAVE ALL THAT HERE FOR YOU. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SPEND EIGHT TON OF TIME ON -- HEALTH, BUT IT GETS LUMPED TOGETHER WITH CODE UNDERNEATH SERVICES. THIS IS A HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW OF ALL THE DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT. THAT IS SENIOR HEALTH, ENVIRONMENT AND HEALTH. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH OFFICER, AND THEN ONE PERSON THAT DOES AS COATING. THE THIRD ONE LISTED THERE -- I'M SORRY, SCOTT DOES THE WELL AND INSPECTIONS. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH WE WILL GET INTO ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH TRANSITION. CODE ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES. YOU MAY NOT KNOW. THOSE ARE THE LIST OF HIGH-LEVEL RESPONSIBILITIES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME GETTING INTO DETAIL. >> THE CLEARING OF HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS -- I KNOW WE GET A LOT OF CALLS -- THE POLICE GO OUT THERE. PROCEDURALLY, WHERE DOES CODE ENFORCEMENT FIT IN THERE. YOU HAVE A HOMELESS CAMP OUT IN THE WOODS OR SOMETHING. WHAT IS DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE GOING TO GET CALLED INITIALLY. THEY GET THE CALL. THEY GO OUT IF IT IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THAT IS WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT GETS INVOLVED. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT AND ISSUES NOTICES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CLEAN UP THAT PROPERTY OR ANY HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. IF IT IS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WORKS WITH PUBLIC WORKS. >> LET ME ALSO THAT HE RECENTLY THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, CREDIT TO PD. WE STOOD UP AN INITIAL WORKING GROUP TO MORE EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY HANDLE THIS. WE CREATED AN INTERNAL PORTAL, AS WELL. THIS ALLOWS BETTER INFORMATION SHARING. THERE ARE THINGS BEING DONE TO THE POINT OF WHERE WE HANDLE THAT SO IT IS NOT STREAMLINED, BUT CERTAINLY MAKING SURE WE ARE MORE EFFECTIVE AND THAT ALL PARTIES CAN COMMUNICATE WITH RESPECT TO THAT TOPIC. >> ANY QUESTIONS? SO GIVEN SOME OF THE STATISTICS, I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING. SO, THIS IS GOING BACK TO OCTOBER 2020, WHICH IS WHEN THE DATA THAT WE HAVE KIND OF BEGAN. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING -- INCLUDED IN HERE. THAT IS OUR CUTOFF POINT. YOU CAN SEE OVER TIME, THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS. APPEAR ON THESE BARS, THE BLUE VIOLATIONS ARE RESIDENTIAL. THE RED, RED ORANGE COLOR THERE ARE COMMERCIAL VIOLATIONS. THOSE [01:15:02] ARE STEADILY INCREASED OVER TIME. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A DIP EACH WINTER. THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. THERE'S LESS COMPLAINTS ABOUT GRASS AND WEEDS IN THE WINTER MONTHS. THAT STARTS BACK UP IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER. WE KIND OF SMOOTH THINGS OUT A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVE A ROLLING AVERAGE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE. THIS ONLY GOES BACK TO SEPTEMBER. INAUDIBLE ] WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA BEFORE THAT. THIS IS FROM AROUND THE 500 MARK. IT IS ABOUT 1100 IN THE MONTH OVER THAT TIME PERIOD. THAT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OVER TIME. >> I HAD A QUESTION. DOES THAT INCREASE -- IS THAT RELATED TO THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS? IS IT PEOPLE CALLING IN TO COMPLAIN? >> I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ] ONE IS A STEADY INCREASE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE UNTIL MAY OF 2003. YOU HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER THAT HAS A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF EXPECTATIONS. I THINK WE'VE HAD A HIGHER LEVEL OF PROACTIVE CODE IMPROVEMENT, FOR SURE. BUT WE WILL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS AND COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, AS WELL. SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO COMPLAINTS. IT IS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT TO MAKE OF IT ENTIRELY, BUT WE DO FOR SOME REASON SEEM TO HAVE KIND OF A PEEK FOR COMPLAINTS. THE FEBRUARY MARCH TIMEFRAME STARTS TO GO UP. THINGS START TO -- MAYBE THE GRASS GETS GROWING AGAIN OR PEOPLE COME OUT OF THE HOLIDAYS. THAT REPRESENTS, BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THAT SITE AND IT BACKS THE LEVELS DOWN. IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SPIKE BUT IT IS STILL GOING UP. WE MIGHT AS WELL SEE HOW JULY LOOKS. WE HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW COMPLAINTS ESPECIALLY DUE TO THE STORM DAMAGE. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT SPIKE, CODE ENFORCEMENT TOOK OVER THE RESPONSIBLE IT IS RELATED TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY RENTAL INSPECTION PROGRAM. SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE SURVEYS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE INS AND OUTS OF THIS AND IT IS CONCERNING TO ME THAT WE HAVE TAKEN ON ANOTHER RESPONSIBILITY AND NOT DOING AS MUCH PROACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CATCH EARLIER BECAUSE WE HAVE TAKEN ON THE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENT. SO THIS IS JUST A BREAKDOWN FOR YOU, A LITTLE BIT, BY YEAR. OVER THE LAST FOUR FISCAL YEARS. TO OUR TOP COMPLAINTS -- OUR TOP VIOLATIONS WOULD BE THE SYSTEMS STILL NOT TRACKING ALL OF THEM THERE. THERE'S PROBABLY MORE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS NECESSARILY ONE VERSUS TWO SIDES MAKES MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE STEPPED UP ENFORCEMENT ON. AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF A LIST OF THE TOP 15 OR 14 VIOLATIONS THAT WE SEE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. MOST OF THOSE HAVE INCREASED. YEAR. WE JUST HAVE A PARTIAL YEAR. I BELIEVE THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH. SO MOST OF THOSE NUMBERS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER, ESPECIALLY THE NUMBERS SINCE WE ARE JUST GETTING TO THE SEASON WHERE THOSE BEGIN TO GO UP. ON THE BANDIT SIGNS, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT. I'M SURE SOME OF YOU ARE ALREADY AWARE OF THIS BUT WE REALLY ONLY FOCUS ON INAUDIBLE ] IF YOU SEE SIGNS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING BEING ADDRESSED. YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO SUBMIT COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT. WE TRY TO CATCH THEM EVERY DAY ON EVERY ROUTE, BUT I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY GET MISSED. THIS IS JUST THE NEXT TERE'S THE NEXT SEGMENT DOWN, THE NEXT MOST COMMON VIOLATIONS. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW. SOME OF THEM WEREN'T BARRIERS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T BEING ENFORCED. INAUDIBLE ] CATEGORIZATIONS FOR THIS DIFFERENT TYPES OF VIOLATIONS. THEY ARE SPLIT UP INTO DIFFERENT TYPES OF INAUDIBLE ] >> ARE THESE ALL RESIDENTIAL? OR ARE THESE COMMERCIAL, TOO? >> SO THESE ARE JUST THE MOST COMMON GRADE SOME OF THEM -- I'M TRYING TO THINK. IF SOMEONE IS MAY BE RELATED TO COMMERCIAL, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE PREVIOUS ONE, WE HAVE SHOPPING CARTS DOWN THERE. >> WHAT IS THE VIOLATION WITH THE SHOPPING CARTS? >> IT IS JUST A COMPLAINT THAT WE HAVE WITH SHOPPING CARTS [01:20:02] OUTSIDE OF THE -- >> IT MIGHT BE AN NEIGHBOR -- JUST STRAIGHT SHOPPING CARTS THAT THE ENFORCEMENT TEAM WILL PICK UP? THEY ACTUALLY DELIVER THEM BACK TO THE TARGET WHERE IT CAME FROM. >> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A VIOLATION ISSUE, TOO. THEY WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. SO, YEAH. THANK YOU. >> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, JJ, TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO BE THE UNIVERSAL CART RETURNING GUY. IS THAT WHY -- DO WE THINK THAT IS MAYBE WHY THE NUMBER OF REPORTS OF THAT IS SO LOW IN FISCAL YEAR 23 AND NOW HAS ON BACKUP? >> >> I THINK THE NUMBER -- SOME OF THE -- WERE NOT TRACKING IT. THEY WOULD PICK UP THE CARTS AND NOT DOCUMENT IT. I TRIED TO STRESS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO DOCUMENT EVERY THING THEY'RE DOING SO WE CAN GET A BIG PICTURE OF WHERE THEY ARE FOCUSING THE TIME. THIS BOOK IF YOU LOOK AT FISCAL YEAR 22, YOU HAVE 91. CLEARLY, THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE DATA. >> BUT JJ DID PICK UP A LOT OF CARTS. HE DID. HE COULD'VE SWAYED THE NUMBERS. >> SO THERE WERE -- I DID INCLUDE -- I DON'T KNOW. TWO THIRDS OF THIS REPORT GOES TO LESS THAN 15. I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THAT USEFUL INFORMATION. BUT THERE ARE TWO VIOLATIONS FOR PARKING LOTS IN COMMERCIAL AREAS OR THREE OTHER COMMERCIAL -- THERE WERE SOME COMMERCIAL VIOLATIONS. THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT ON THESE. IT IS 15 OR MORE. >> THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER , CODE ENFORCEMENT TAKING ON THE SINGLE-FAMILY RENTAL INSPECTIONS. PRIOR TO FEBRUARY, THOSE INSPECTIONS WERE BEING PERFORMED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DIVISION. THEY WERE EVEN HIGHER THAN THE PREVIOUS YEARS. THE LAST FISCAL YEAR WE HAD ALMOST 1200. SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS AND OVER 900 IN THE YEAR BEFORE THAT. WE ARE TRYING TO FIT THAT IN WITH OTHER DUTIES AND WE ARE FOCUSED ON SAFETY ISSUES. THAT TRANSITIONED OVER TO CODE IN FEBRUARY, THEY BEGAN A MORE THOROUGH INSPECTION, WHICH IS THAT CHECKLIST YOU HAVE THERE ARE THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING THERE. THEY ARE DOING THE MORE THOROUGH INSPECTION OF THE HOUSE WITH ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE CODE ISSUES, AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF IT IS IN COMPLIANCE FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER CODE VIOLATIONS, AND THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I THINK THEY HAVE DONE TO TRY TO HELP ASSUAGE THE CONCERN THAT IS PRETTY COMMON , AT LEAST WE HEAR COMMONLY THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF CARE AND MAINTENANCE OF THE RENTALS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE ARE NOT ONLY MAKING IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE INSIDE, BUT DOING THE OUTSIDE INSPECTION, AS WELL. THAT MAY INVOLVE SOME PAINTING AND UPDATING AND MAKING SURE THE FENCE IS IN GOOD ORDER AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT EACH OF THOSE INSPECTIONS FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS IS ABOUT AN HOUR IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING. THE OFFICERS DO THEIR OWN SCHEDULING. THEY ARE DOING THE INSPECTION, OF LETTING THE PICTURES, CONVERSING WITH THE OWNER TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AWARE OF HOW IN COMPLIANCE OR EXPLAINING ANY OF THE SPECIFIC VIOLATIONS THEY NEED TO REMEDY BEFORE THE RELEASE. SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE, IT WAS OVER 100 IN THE MONTH OF JUNE. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY MORE IN THE MONTH OF MAY BEFORE THAT. THIS IS SIMILAR WITH, UNFORTUNATELY, AT THE SAM PEAK PERIODS OF TIME THAT WE HAVE OTHER CODE VIOLATIONS, THE PERIODS OF TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN THOSE SUMMER MONTHS, SO IT'LL GO BACK DOWN AS WE GET OUT OF SUMMER. >> SO WE ONLY HAVE 53. FOR SHORT-TERM. >> YES. >> SO THIS IS INSPECTIONS OR VIOLATIONS? >>'S -- SO JUNE 2024 -- THE TOTAL IS FOR INSPECTIONS. THE FINAL COLUMN IS THAT WE HAVE ACTIVE PERMITS. >> IS THIS A VOLUNTARY THING ? DO THEY HAVE TO BECOME REGISTERED? >>? HIGHER RENTAL >> I THAT WE DID. >> I THOUGHT THE NUMBER WAS MUCH HIGHER. >> HUNDREDS BUT I DON'T THINK THAT NUMBER IS ACCURATE. BASED ON THE DATA I GOT A FEW MONTHS AGO. IT WAS 70 OR 80, IF NOT MORE. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER 100. >> IT MAY BE MORE. >> THAT NUMBER MAY NOT BE ACCURATE. >> OUR SYSTEM IS NOT THE BEST. >> YEAH. >> SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE , CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, REQUIRED TO UNDERGO QUARTERLY INSPECTIONS. SO FOUR TIMES A YEAR IS WAY MORE THAN 45 . [01:25:01] INAUDIBLE ] IS THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LATE IN REGISTERING OR DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THE INSPECTIONS THAT WE ARE GIVING? >> SO ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT THE CODE TEAM TOOK ON WHEN WE STARTED DOING THESE INSPECTIONS WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE GETTING THEIR QUARTERLY INSPECTIONS FOR THE SHORT TERM. AND THE ONES THAT ARE SINGLE-FAMILY ONES THAT FAILED INSPECTION, OR MAYBE NEVER SCHEDULED THEIR INSPECTION, WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH THOSE, WHEREAS BEFORE, NOBODY WAS WATCHING THAT. SO WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH THAT, BUT, TOO, IT IS TIME-CONSUMING, AND CHECKING RENTALS IS VERY TIME-CONSUMING. THAT IS A COMPONENT WE ARE TRYING TO USE . WHAT IF I DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT? I KNOW WE HAVE TWO OF OUR INSPECTORS. WE HAVE ONE COMMITTED TO DOING THE RENTAL INSPECTIONS. THE DEPOSITION ALSO HAS A CODING AREA. HE HAS ONE PERSON THAT BACKS UP. WE HAVE TWO THAT REALLY CAN BACKUP. WE HAVE TWO THAT DO HEALTH CONCERNS. THEY CAN'T DO FULL INSPECTIONS. WE HAVE THEM DOING THE REINSPECTIONS ON CERTAIN AREAS. >> SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU ALL ARE TREADING WATER OR UNDERWATER WITH -- WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT? IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU ARE GOING AND GOING AND EVERYTHING IS GREAT. IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE UNDERWATER SOMEWHERE. >> YES POINT WE ARE UNDERWATER. >> AND WHAT LEVEL OF STAFFING -- IF IT'S OKAY IF I ASKED THIS -- WHAT LEVEL OF STAFFING WOULD IT TAKE TO GET US -- >> WE NEED TO FINISH THE PRESENTATION FIRST. >> I WOULD LIKE TO -- >> YEAH. THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN I FEEL LIKE THAT CITY MANAGER MIGHT NEED TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION . >> WELL, MAYBE, BUT LET'S FINISH THE PRESENTATION AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. >> I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF CAUTION >> -- QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. THEY CURRENTLY DO PICK UP IN THE MORNING FOR THEIR ENTIRE AREA. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SPLIT OUT THAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS COMMERCIAL OR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE PRIMARILY COMPLETING THE SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS. THERE IS NOBODY THAT THAT IS THEIR PRIMARY JOB. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN, AS WELL. SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY ADDING A POSITION IN THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAD FOR CONSIDERATION LAST MONTH, THIS IS KIND OF A PROPOSAL OF HOW WE WOULD RESTRUCTURE CODE ENFORCEMENT WITHOUT ADDING THAT NEW POSITION IN. WE HAVE THE FIVE DISTRICTS NOW. WE WOULD ACTUALY MAKE THAT FOUR DISTRICTS, SO THEY WOULD BECOME A LITTLE BIT LARGER, BUT THEY WOULD ONLY BE RESPONSIBLE -- THOSE FOUR OFFICERS WOULD ONLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRADITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS AND COMPLAINTS IN THOSE AREAS THEY ARE ASSIGNED TO. ONE OFFICER WOULD BE PULLED PRIMARILY AS FOCUSED ON SINGLE-FAMILY RENTAL INSPECTIONS AND ONE ADDITIONAL POSITION WITH THE ADDITION OF ONE ADDITIONAL POSITION, ONE OFFICER REALLOCATED TO FOCUS ON THE COMMERCIAL CODE VIOLATIONS, SO WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE IS THEY WOULD TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THOSE UNDER -- ENTRYWAYS INTO THE CITY. THEY WOULD FOCUS ON THE SIGNS AND THE COMMERCIAL CODE VIOLATIONS, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR -- SEE MORE OF THAT. AND OTHER COMMERCIAL ISSUES. BY PULLING THOSE TWO OFFICERS OUT, THEY JUST HAVE ONE THAT IS NOT FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL. IT WOULD BE BACKING EACH OTHER UP ESPECIALLY WITH THE FOUR DAY WORK WEEKENDS. ONE PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO FILL IN ON THE SINGLE-FAMILY INSPECTIONS, WHICH WE DO HAVE TO COMPLETE DAILY, AND THEY COULD ALSO DO COMMERCIAL ISSUES. AND WHEN I SAY COMMERCIAL, WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS. AND IT MAY BE A SPLIT BETWEEN THEM, BUT WE'RE KIND OF THINKING IN THE COMMERCIAL POSITION THAT THEY WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE MONITORING ENFORCEMENT OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AS WELL. THAT IS ALL WE HAVE ON OUR PRESENTATION. WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS . THE CITY MANAGER WILL HAVE OTHER ANSWERS FOR YOU. >> WELL, I WANT TO GIVE CONTEXT TO YOUR PRESENTATION. IN FAIRNESS TO CORY, I DON'T KNOW [01:30:02] HOW -- WHEN HE ASKED FOR THIS PRESENTATION, I THINK THE POINT WAS, WHAT IS CODY DOING? IN FAIRNESS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN STRUGGLING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PERMANENT LEADER. HE WAS STRUGGLING BEFORE, BUT FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT IT DID AND IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. AND THIS GROUP AND THIS PARTICULAR DIVISION HAS BEEN NO EXCEPTION. THE REASON YOU SAW ME ADVOCATE FOR THE POSITION IS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DATA THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD AGREE, I SAID THIS. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY SOMETHING I DIDN'T SAY, I THINK THAT GROUP IS WORKING AT OPTIMUM EFFECTIVENESS OR EFFICIENCY. I SAID IT TO YOU PRIVATELY. I'VE SAID IT PUBLICLY. I ALSO KNOW WHAT I'M ASKING THEM TO DO, WHICH IS TO ENHANCE THE COMMERCIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHICH WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A COMMERCIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM TO WORK MORE ON THE WEEKENDS WILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL PERSON. SO THIS PRESENTATION IS BY NO MEANS MEANT TO SAY TO YOU, WE ARE AT OPTIMUM EFFICIENCY OR EFFICACY. WE ARE NOT. BUT IT IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, DID WE NEED ANOTHER POSITION? I THINK IF YOU FOCUS ON THE LAST SLIDE, IT IS AS MUCH TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THAT POSITION. BECAUSE TO THE POINT, YOU MAY ASK THE QUESTION, WHY DO YOU NEED THIS POSITION? I WOULD SAY THREE THINGS. THEY HAVE OBSERVED THE RENTAL INSPECTION PROGRAM. THAT WAS BEING DONE BY BUILDING INSPECTIONS. HOW DID THEY MANAGE TO DO IT AND TO HAVING US? WELL, THEY WEREN'T DOING IT AS COME PENSIVELY. THEY ADMITTED IT, BUT THEY WERE STRUGGLING, AND I THINK IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN HERE, SHE TALKED ABOUT THE STRUGGLES THEY WERE HAVING. AND THEY WERE. WE SHIFTED THE LOAD A LITTLE BIT, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN TO IMPLY THAT JEN AND HIS GROUP HAVE THIS SIGNIFICANT EXTRA CAPACITY, BUT SIMPLY TO SAY, WE SHIFTED IT WHERE IT WAS MOST APPROPRIATE. THAT IS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS ADDITIONAL POSITION BECAUSE THEY ARE TREADING WATER. DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE ARE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE NEED TO? I DON'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T THINK WE PROVIDED THEM WITH EFFECTIVE GUIDANCE, MENTORSHIP, AND PARAMETERS IN WHICH TO OPERATE. I WANT TO BE FAIR TO THEM AND AT THE SAME TIME MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THE CHARGE IN FRONT OF THEM, AS WELL. WHEN YOU SEE GAPS IN THIS INFORMATION, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT I ALSO KNOW, IN FAIRNESS TO THIS GROUP, THERE IS A LOT THAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M BEING JUDICIOUS AND THE EXPECTATIONS RELATIVE TO TIMING AND THE STAFFING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I WOULD ASK THE SAME OF YOU . BUT HOPEFULLY, WE HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTION OF WHY WE WERE ADVOCATING FOR AN ADDITIONAL POSITION. >> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR BODIES ON THE GROUND TO DO THE INSPECTIONS. WHAT ABOUT -- YOU MENTIONED THEY HAVE TO GO CHECK. IS THERE BETTER TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD HELP YOU WITH THE RECORDKEEPING WITH THAT PART OF IT? >> THEY DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW. LET ME BE HONEST. WE DON'T KNOW. IN ANSWER WE GIVE, WE DON'T KNOW YET. YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS TRANSPARENT. >> IT IS SOMETHING WE WILL GLADLY LOOK INTO. YOU GUYS KNOW WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. SHE IS WORKING HER TAIL OFF TWO MONTHS IN. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST -- COME BACK. WE WILL VISIT WITH YOU IN A FEW MONTHS. HE WILL SEE THE PROGRESS. BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. WE WILL PUT IT ON THE WORK PLAN TO WORK. INAUDIBLE ] I DON'T KNOW IF THE TECHNOLOGY IS FAILING US AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE IT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE SAME APPROACH THAT WE DID IN THE REEVALUATE . I STILL THINK THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, WE HAVE A NEW LEADER WHO JUST STARTED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER SPEND SOME TIME WITH HER TEAM, AND GET SOME OF THESE THINGS WORKED OUT BEFORE WE REALLY SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING -- IS THAT ENOUGH? IS IT NOT ENOUGH? >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT IS WHY I WANT TO BE FAIR TO CORY IN THE TEAM AND GIVE THEM TIME, BUT I WILL ADVOCATE FOR THIS POSITION. IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE RENTAL PROGRAM AND THE NEED TO ENHANCE OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, THAT ALONE REQUIRES IT. >> WHAT WAS THE COST OF IT? >> 50, 60,000. I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND. >> IT WAS MORE THAN THE FIRST YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL >> >> I DON'T REMEMBER. WE INCLUDED IT IN OUR MODELING. >> I THINK IT WAS 127-ISH. >> OR 50,000. >> THAT WAS SOMETHING ADDED ONE TIME. >> THE ONE-TIME MONEY. >> OBVIOUSLY, THE IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND WITH ONE POSITION IS NEGLIGIBLE. WITH RESPECT TO THE 3 MILLION THAT WE STARTED WITH IN ONGOING FUNDS. [01:35:05] >> IT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CITIZENS REALLY CARE ABOUT, PARTICULARLY THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THE OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT. I THINK IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT. >> I WOULD, TOO. I WOULD ALSO SECOND YOUR TECHNOLOGY QUESTION . I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY 21. ARE ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS TALKING TO EVERYBODY? IS EVERYTHING SINGLE AND EASY? >> THAT IS GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT. IN FAIRNESS TO BOTH OF THEM, THE REALITY IS GOING BACK, THEY SPENT THE ENTIRE WEEKEND TRYING TO COMPILE THIS DATA. SHOULD IT HAVE BEEN COMPILED BEFORE? PROBABLY. IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO CURE ALL THE LEGACY DEFECTS, AND THAT MAY WELL BE ONE OF THEM. >> AND YEAH. I'M NOT -- THAT WAS NOT A CRITICISM. THAT WAS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE TECHNOLOGIES. >> WE COULD USE EXTRA BOOTS ON THE GROUND, TOO. >> TO ANSWER THE COST QUESTION, IT IS 53,000 IN YEAR ONE, PLUS THE 70 ONGOING. >> AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE'VE GOT -- WE GET SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMPLAINTS FOR -- FROM CITIZENS THAT DATE WITH PICTURES AND ALL THE ATTENDANT EXCITEMENT THAT GOES WITH THAT. WITH THAT EXTRA STR PERSON THAT COULD DO THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD RESPOND TO OR IS THAT A POLICE RESPONSE? >> YEAH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A GOOD RESPONSE SYSTEM. >> I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T EITHER. THAT IS WHY I WANT TO MAKE THIS POINT. I DON'T WANT TO COMPLETE THE TOPIC THAT THERE IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL VIOLATION, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENS THAT IN TIME, 99% OF THE TIME, WE COULD NEVER PREVENT PROACTIVELY. COMPARED TO OUR RESPONSVENESS TO IT. I TEND TO THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD, CERTAINLY IN THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE BENJAMIN TO SLEEP RESPONSIVE. I SEE IT ON SATURDAY NIGHT, IF CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE NOT AVAILABLE, PLEASE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE. I THINK THERE'S FRUSTRATION THAT THERE ARE VIOLATORS AND I THINK THE PROCESS IS SLOW BECAUSE BY THE NATURE OF IT, WE ARE MOVING ONE OR TWO PARTICULAR VIOLATORS INTO DISTRICT COURT HERE REAL SOON. AND I THINK WE CAN DO A SLIGHTLY BETTER JOB ON THE FRONT AND IN TERMS OF OUR INITIAL INSPECTIONS. I THINK IF YOU CAN DO A BETTER JOB THERE, AND I THINK ADDITIONAL BODIES DON'T HURT THE RESPONSIVENESS, AND AS WE KNOW -- REMEMBER. THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME IN THIS LAST YEAR WE HAVE EVER REVOKED SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMITS. SO NOW, WE ARE ESTABLISHING THAT WE WILL TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION, AND IF NEED BE, TAKE YOU TO DISTRICT COURT. SO WE ARE, LIKE ANYTHING, I THINK THAT WORD WILL START TO GET OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, AS ENFORCEMENT BECOMES MORE REGULAR, PEOPLE WILL HOPEFULLY THEN RECOGNIZED THEY HAVE THE OBLIGATION. BUT TO THE QUESTION OF RESPONSIVENESS, I TEND TO THINK WE ARE FAIRLY RESPONSIVE. I THINK WE WILL DO A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE FRONT END WITH AN ADDITIONAL BODY. >> AND I CAN ATTEST TO THE RESPONSIVENESS BECAUSE I REACHED OUT WITHIN THE PAST YEAR AND PROBABLY WITHIN AN HOUR OR SO, THERE WAS A COVID RESPONDER. >> CITY MANAGER BRITTON, MY APOLOGIES. >> I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THERE ISN'T. >> I WONDER IF IT WOULD EVER MAKE SENSE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE WE DO WHERE WE PRODUCE A HEAT MAP THAT SHOWS COMMON VIOLATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS. >> ALL OF THAT IS GOOD COULD WORK AND WE ARE GOING TO CRAWL AND THEN WALK AND THEN RUN. AND I THINK, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE ARE HAPPY TO COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS. RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE FAIR TO THESE FOLKS. WE WILL COME BACK AND SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE. >> YEAH. SIX MONTHS. COME BACK. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> OKAY. >> WHERE DID WE LAND ON? >> THIS WAS NEVER REALLY ABOUT THE POSITION. HE VOTED FOR THE POSITION LAST MEETING. SO THIS WAS, HOWEVER, TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL CONTEXT WHY WE PUT IT THERE. WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. SO YOU FELT PERHAPS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR DECISION. [4D. Update related to transition from Garland Public Health to Dallas County Public Health. (20 minutes)] >> MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THE DECISION AND MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AT. >> I HAVE AN UPDATE. >> COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS -- I DON'T HAVE PUBLIC, RELATED TO [01:40:03] THIS EARLIER. A THRESHOLD SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT YOU CAN EXECUTE WITH THE CITY OF GARLAND. WE HAVE A SIMILAR HAVE MADE A DECISION THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITY, THE CITY OF GRINDED IS NO LONGER GOING TO. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITY DESIGNATED, ANY DEFAULT TO THE ACCOUNTING PUBLIC HEALTH O CF1 O AUTHORITY. THIS IS NOT A DECISION TO CHOOSE DALLAS COUNTY WERE NOT. IT IS A DECISION TO NOT HAVE OUR OWN ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OTHER OPTIONS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. WE RECEIVED THE NOTICE FROM GARLAND TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT WITH THEM FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES. THEY ARE TRANSITIONING TO DALLAS COUNTY AS OF THE 28TH OF THIS MONTH, WHICH WOULD IN ESSENCE BE WHEN WE WOULD TRANSITION TO DALLAS COUNTY UNLESS WE IN THAT TIME PERIOD. SO HER PERSPECTIVE ON LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WHAT RESIDENTS ARE RECEIVING, UNDER DALLAS COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH, THEY WILL STILL MAINTAIN THE GARLAND PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICE WHERE RESIDENTS ARE CURRENTLY GOING AND RECEIVING SERVICES. THAT WILL STILL BE IN THE SAME PLACE, THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICES, WITH DALLAS COUNTY. THEY WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE SERVICES AND MAYBE HAVE SOME OTHER CLINICS AND THINGS BOTH THERE AND HERE IN ROWLETT THAT WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY RECEIVING. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS NO CHARGE TO THE CITY FOR DALLAS COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH, WHERE WE WERE PREVIOUSLY PAYING GIRL AND SOME MINIMAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. THIS IS OUT THERE, AND I GUESS ONLINE. WE WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND MAKE SURE YOU WERE HERE FOR THE TRANSITION PLAN AND THAT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING NEEDED IN TERMS OF COUNCIL ACTION ON THIS AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE STAND ON THAT. >> WE WERE ABLE TO CONTRACT WITH GARLAND . THERE IS NO ONE ELSE WE CAN CONTRACT WITH OTHER THAN -- COUNTIES IN TEXAS THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE SMALL. I THINK WE HAVE TO DEFAULT TO THE COUNTY. >> ESTABLISH OUR OWN. >> YES. THAT IS STATEWIDE. HE WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITY. IT IS NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO PICK DALLAS COUNTY. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE APPOINTED WITH THE CONTRACT, AND IT IS NOT A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. IT IS JUST, WE NO LONGER HAVE ANOTHER AUTHORITY IN PLACE, SO, THERE'S NOT EVEN A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO NOTIFY ANYBODY THAT, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO -- DALLAS COUNTY IS GOING TO BE OUR HEALTH AUTHORITY. >> IT IS JUST DESPERATE TO >> IT IS JUST WHAT IT IS. >> IT IS WHAT IT IS. >> IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS. OR YOU CAN ESTABLISH YOUR OWN HEALTH AUTHORITY. AND THA'S A REALLY EXPENSIVE THING, TOO. >> WE HAVE PUBLIC SERVICES. RIGHT NOW, WE STILL GET THE INVITATIONS. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THAT OPTION. >> I THINK THERE IS A POINT TO MAKE HERE. I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS TOUCHED ON IT EXPLICITLY ENOUGH. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO TAKE FROM THIS BUT I DON'T REALLY CARE IF ANYONE LIKES DALLAS OR NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO CONFUSE IT THAT WE ARE MAKING IT WAS FOR THE CITIZENS. WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. BUT, THE SERVICES WILL -- YOU ACTUALLY RECEIVE ENHANCED SERVICES IN TERMS OF THE SPECTRUM OF WHAT THOSE SERVICES ARE, THEN PREVIOUSLY -- THAT IS JUST NUMBER ONE. THAT IS A FACT. AND TWO, THERE WILL BE A SLIGHT REDUCTION TO OUR EXPENDITURES. THEY ARE JUST FACTS. >> WHAT THE HECK ARE WE INAUDIBLE ] IN THE FIRST PLACE? >> WE WILL RECEIVE A $600 REFUND. VERY MINIMAL. >> YOU JUST REMINDED ME. THERE ARE ROCKWALL COUNTY RESIDENTS. THEY ALL DEFAULT TO DALLAS COUNTY. THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY IS IN DALLAS COUNTY. THEY WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE ANY OF THOSE SAME SERVICES THROUGH OFFICES IN DALLAS OR IN GARLAND. >> OKAY. GREAT. THAT WAS AN INFORMATIVE TOPIC AND WE ARE IN FORMS OF QUESTIONS. >> UP REALLY THERE IS NO POINT IN ANY OF IT. >> OUR HANDS ARE TIED. THE ANSWER IS THE SAME. OUR HANDS [5. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR July 16, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.] ARE TIED AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE IT EXCEEDINGLY CLEAR. >> IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET [01:45:01] HEALTH SERVICES, DON'T GO GET HEALTH SERVICES. >> ITEM 5. DO YOU WANT TO -- I WOULD LIKE TO PULL THE INAUDIBLE ] ITEM . SORRY. THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT IS AND IT WILLS -- WILL PROVIDE CLARITY ON WHAT IT IS NOT. IT IS NOT WRITING A $6 MILLION CHECK. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCIL? OKAY. THEN WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OH, NO * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.