Oct 14, 2024 City Council Work Session

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> REGISTRATION FORMS/INSTRUCTIONS OUTSIDE THE DOOR OF THE CITY HALL CONFERENCE ROOM. SO FAR WE HAVE THREE. NOW FOUR. YOU COULD

[3. CITIZENS INPUT]

>> MY NAME IS TIM.

HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE ORDINANCES CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO HAVE INDISCERNIBLE ]. THIS MATTER WAS SUPPOSEDLY ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.

MONDAY AND HE SAID YES IT WOULD BE TODAY. IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA FRIDAY. WHEN I CONTACTED HIM THIS MORNING HE SAID INDISCERNIBLE-LOW VOLUME ] I WAS REDIRECTED TO MR. KRISTOF WHO SAID IT WAS SOMETHING THEY DID NOT GET READY. ALSO TURNOVER IN THE OFFICE. AND THIS MATTER WILL RETURN NOVEMBER 4. UNFORTUNATELY HAVE HEARD THIS BEFORE. I STARTED IN DECEMBER WITH THE MANAGER OF CITY DEVELOPMENT.

INDISCERNIBLE-LOW VOLUME ] MY PROBLEM IS I'M NOT SURE THIS MATTER IS GOING TO BE READY BY NOVEMBER 4. I HAVE A PROPOSAL TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL . MY BACKGROUND INCLUDES BEING A TRIAL LAWYER FOR 50 YEARS.

WILLING TO DO THAT AND I HAVE A SON WHO IS A CIVIL ENGINEER. I WILL HAVE THIS TO YOU BY THE END OF THE MONTH. IF FOR SOME REASON THERE'S OTHER TURNOVER, AND THE CITY CAN'T GET THIS PREPARED, I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH WHATEVER I PRESENT TO YOU.

THAT WAS NEEDED.

GET MY MATTER BEFORE YOU. AND FRUSTRATED BY THIS WHOLE MATTER. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT W VOLUME ] WHEN THE AGENDA GOES OUT. I WAS TOLD THAT IS NOT THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE.

SHOULD BUILD TO SEE IT BY FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1.

INDISCERNIBLE-LOW VOLUME ] THANK

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS MARK. THREE MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME .

>> MARK, TWO ISSUES I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

I THINK SOME OF YOU HERE PAST YEARS. SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I HAD MY BUDDIES 14-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTERS IN THE BOAT AND THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE MAKING DEROGATORY CACKLES TO 14-YEAR-OLD GIRLS. RESTRICTIONS ON THIS KIND OF STUFF, SHORT-TERM RENTALS NEED TO BE A LOT TIGHTER. SECOND ISSUE, OPEN BURNING. SO, I RAN INTO AN ISSUE WHERE ROCKWELL HAD A BURN BAN. I WAS FORCED TO COMPLY WITH THAT. THAT WAS FINE. THE BURN BAN IS OVER. I WAS INFORMED I STILL COULD NOT HAVE A SMALL BACKYARD FIRE IN A CHIMNEY. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT A CHIMNEY IS, RIGHT? I WAS INFORMED THAT IF I LIT FIRE IN THAT, I WOULD BE FIND. THEY WOULD WRITE A TICKET AND I WOULD BE FIND. CHIMNEY A ARE

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TO YOU BUT NOT ANYONE ELSE. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS STEVE HORWITZ. NAME AND CITY RESIDENTS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS WELL.

SHORT-TERM RENTALS REALLY SHOULD BE DEFINED INDISCERNIBLE-LOW VOLUME ]. IF IT LOOKS LIKE A PIG AND SMELLS LIKE A PIG, IT IS A PIG. WE HAD 6218 LINCOLNSHIRE LANE, IT HAS BEEN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. THERE BEEN MANY PROBLEMS. I'VE COMPLAINED DOZENS OF TIMES. EVERYTHING FROM TRASH CANS OUT FOR MORE THAN THE ALLOTTED TIME. MOSTLY A WEEK IF NOT LONGER THAN A WEEK. TRASH OUTSIDE OF THE CANS. HOPING FOR NEW SERVICE, HE IS RECEIVED ENOUGH TRASH CANS AND RECYCLING BINS. THINGS LIKE BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK, THAT IS CONSTANT. MY WIFE AND I WALK OUR DOGS TWICE A WEEK SO WE ARE WELL AWARE , WE ARE FORTUNATE TO WORK FROM HOME. WE ARE OUT A LOT SO WE SEE IT AND IT'S BLOCKED ALL THE TIME.

THERE BEEN INSTANCES OF FIREWORKS BEING LIT OFF, BY THE OWNER HIMSELF. NOT HIS RENTERS. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIMITED TO 10 OR 12, THERE BEEN 15, 16, 17. THE PEOPLE WHO RENT THE PLACE PASS THE SNIFF TEST, I CAN TELL YOU NOW, BUT I LET MY WIFE TELL YOU NOW, SHE'S A FORMER SECRET SERVICE . LOTS OF PEOPLE DON'T PASS THE SNIFF TEST. WE HAVE A SUN. -- SON. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GONE FOR MY NEIGHBOHOOD. THERE WAS A SECOND HOME THAT WAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TWO HOMES DOWN. ONE HOME SEPARATING THE TWO BUT THAT JUST SOLD. I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT WILL BE RESOLD TO A SHORT-TERM INTO.

THERE OTHER HOMES THAT WILL BE SOLD ON THE BLOCK. I JUST WANT THE LAKEFRONT TO BE A HOTEL STRIP. THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE SOME GUIDANCE AND OVERSIGHT FOR THESE PEOPLE. I LIKE YOU TO CHECK, BECAUSE THIS FELLOW IS ALSO DOING A LOT OF INTERIOR WORK, HE'S HAD A HUGE DUMPSTER ON HIS DRIVEWAY. DOES HE HAVE A PROPER PERMIT? I DON'T KNOW. AND I THINK SHORT-TERM RENTERS SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DISCLOSING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD . LET THEM DISCLOSE IT. SO WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THEIR FACILITIES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE STRIKE THREE RUIZ, I GUESS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN BUT THAT WAS WITH FORMER CITY STAFF. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY PUBLISH SOME VERY STRICT GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON. BECAUSE IT IS A HOTEL. IT'S NOT JUST THE WEEKEND, IT IS DURING THE WEEK BECAUSE IT'S THE LAKEFRONT PROPERTY. PEOPLE ARE OUT AND ABOUT. WHEN I WAS FIRST A RENTAL, PEOPLE FROM THE RENTAL RUN OTHER PEOPLE STOCKS. THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH US. THAT HONESTLY HASN'T HAPPENED IN A WHILE SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.

BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE CONTROL OVER THIS. SAFETY FIRST. AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS SECOND. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME VERSION OF ORDINANCES AND I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU PUBLISH

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>> NEXT SPEAKER IS MYLES HANSEN. NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> MYLES HANSEN. LIVE IN ROCKWELL. SO, I'M ONE OF THE COACHES FOR THE LOCAL BICYCLE ORGANIZATION. WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THE MEMORANDUM BETWEEN THE CITY OF ROWLETT AND BICYCLE ORGANIZATION. IN SHORT, IT'S A NATIONAL BICYCLE ORGANIZATION , IT PROVIDES PROGRAMS FOR LOCAL MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND HIGH SCHOOLS TO BASICALLY GET MORE KIDS ON BIKES. TRAILS LIKE THIS REALLY HELPS THE ORGANIZATION GET MORE KIDS ON BIKES, BUILD CHARACTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OUR CURRENT PROGRAM OR TEAM ACTUALLY HAS STUDENT ATHLETES RANGING FROM FIFTH GRADE ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH 12TH GRADE. THESE ATHLETES PRIMARILY RESIDE IN ROWLETT, GARLAND, THEY MAKE UP A COMPOSITE TEAM. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE HIGH SCHOOL HAVE ITS OWN MOUNTAIN BIKE TEAM. SIMILAR TO A LOT OF OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS IN TEXAS. THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO IS WE PRIMARILY PRACTICE AT ROWLETT CREEK PARK. AS YOU KNOW THAT TRAIL UNFORTUNATELY IS KIND OF A FLOOD ZONE, IT TENDS TO STAY WET. WE HAD TO CANCEL CLOSE TO 50% OF OUR PRACTICES LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT. THIS NEW LOCATION SITS UP HIGHER. A MUCH MORE DESIRABLE LOCATION WHERE THE TRIAL DUST TRAIL WILL DRY OUT. MUCH MORE AVAILABLE FOR PROGRAMS SUCH AS THIS TO GET OUT AND GET KIDS ON BIKES. BECAUSE NICA IS A NATIONAL PROGRAM , IT OFFERS SCHOLARSHIPS FOR KIDS WHO WOULDN'T NORMALLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT AND BIKES AND USES TRAILS. SO IT HELPS PROVIDE THAT TO STUDENTS WHO OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO. AND BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, AS WELL, THAT FURTHER SUPPORTS OUR ABILITY TO GET SOME OF THESE MOUNTAIN BIKING AND CYCLING PROGRAMS EMBEDDED INTO THE SCHOOL PROGRAM. NICA IS REALLY JUST ONE ORGANIZATION. VERY SIMILAR TO DORBA. DORBA IS AN EXCELLENT ORGANIZATION ALSO SUPPORTING CYCLISTS , YOUTHS OF ALL AGES, ADULTS. OUR ORGANIZATION WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO EXIST IF WE DON'T HAVE TRAILS TO WRITE ON.

AND SO, IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TO HAVE THESE TRAILS IN THE COMMUNITY . THESE PROPOSED TRAILS PROVIDE THE OUTLET FOR YOU TO GET OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THE OUTDOORS. OUR COMMUNITY TRAIL SYSTEMS, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE YOUTH PROGRAMS, ARE CRITICAL IN INSTALLING QUALITIES SUCH AS TEAMWORK, SELF CONFIDENCE AND RESILIENCE. ULTIMATELY WE ARE TRYING TO GET A LOT OF OUR YOUTH IN THE SCHOOLS OUTSIDE TO ENJOY THE OUTDOORS. THAT IS WHAT THE PROGRAM IS ALL ABOUT.

ANYWAY WE CAN SUPPORT THE BUILDING IN CONSIDERATION OF THESE TRAILS, WITH THE DORBA ORGANIZATION WHOM WE WORK WITH QUITE REGULARLY, -- WE DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION, IF YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE NICA INTERSCHOLASTIC PROGRAM. HOW WE WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH LOCAL MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND HIGH SCHOOLS, I CAN LEAVE THIS. THERE ARE SOME COOL STICKERS

>> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS KIM JONES. STATE YOUR NAME AND

CITY OF RESIDENCE. >> MY NAME IS TIM, THIS IS MY WIFE VAL. WE HAVE BEEN HERE ABOUT 16 YEARS. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE WERE ACTUALLY HERE THIS SPRING WITH SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS. SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEY REALLY DESTROY THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. LET'S BE HONEST. I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS ON SATURDAY MORNINGS ARE OUT WALKING, KIDS ON THEIR BIKES, YOU KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS.

SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEIR HOTELS. IT'S A BUSINESS. MY CONCERN IS, WHEN WE MET IN EARLY SPRING, HE VOTED TO REVOKE THE PERMIT FOR 2109. HE KEPT GOING. IF YOU HAVE REGULATIONS, AND FORCE THEM. HIS PERMIT WAS REVOKED, HE DID MISS A BEAT. PEOPLE KEPT COMING. SO, I THINK THE ISSUE IS NOT NECESSARILY STRICTER REGULATIONS, JUST ENFORCE THE ONES YOU HAVE. YOU GOT TO ENFORCE THE ONES YOU HAVE. YOU DON'T DO THAT, YOU TELL LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE ABOVE THE LAW. I KNOW EVERYONE IS CONCERNED

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I GET THAT. BUT THE RIGHTS OF THE FEW CAN'T EXCEED THE RIGHTS OF THE MANY. RIGHT NOW WITH STRS, THEY ARE RUNNING RAMPANT. THE GENTLEMAN IS RIGHT, IT'S LIKE A HOTEL. IT REALLY IS. IT'S A BUSINESS INSIDE A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AS FAR AS WHAT YOU DO, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU REZONE IT.

HAVE MORE RESTRICTIONS, BUT YOU GOT TO HAVE A WAY WHEN YOU SAY NO TO ENFORCE IT. I KNOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE , WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. I'M JUST ASKING YOU , LET THIS BE A TOP PRIORITY. OR THE ROWLETT WE KNOW TODAY WILL CEASE TO EXIST.

[4A. Review, discuss and deliberate on making revisions to the City’s Short-Term Rental regulations.]

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ITEM, REVIEW, DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE ON MAKING REVISIONS TO THE CITY SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS.

>> LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. FOR COMPLAINTS IS FRUSTRATINGLY SLOW AND GLACIAL IN ITS PACE. TO MR. JONES'S POINT, I HAVE RECEIVED EVERYONE OF YOUR EMAILS. WE HAD OUR STAFF GOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. WE ARE ENFORCING. I CAN'T GET INTO SPECIFICS, BUT THE HAS BEEN LEGAL ACTION TAKEN. I DON'T LIKE TO THINK WE ARE IGNORING IT. WE ARE NOT.

BUT DOES THIS PACE, OR THE PACE OF THE PROCESS MOVE AT A RATE THAT IS SATISFACTORY? WE KNOW IT WON'T. BUT OUR OBLIGATION IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING IN WE HAVE, WE ARE.

AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO. TO THE POINT OF TRYING TO SEEK CERTAIN -- I WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH, LEAVE YOU ME, THERE ARE LEGAL THINGS HAPPENING. WE ARE NOT JUST SITTING IN HER HANDS ABOUT THIS. BUT IT'S NOT AS QUICK. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT FRUSTRATES PEOPLE, GOD BLESS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF THEY PULL YOU OVER FOR CRIMINAL OFFENSE, YOU CAN BE IN JAIL A FEW MINUTES LATER. THAT IS NOT THE WAY CODE COMPLAINTS WORKS. FOR ANY VIOLATION. BE IT YOUR GRASPING TOO TALL OR SOMETHING AS EGREGIOUS AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL VIOLATIONS. IS NOT TO MAKE LIGHT OF THE COMPLAINT BUT TO ASSURE YOU, IF YOU GET AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST TO FIND OUT WHAT STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR, I'VE SAID THIS MY WHOLE CAREER, YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. THERE IS INFORMATION IN OUR FILES THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING AND YOU ARE FREE TO ACCESS THAT INFORMATION ANYTIME YOU WANT. THERE WAS A MENTION MADE ON THE PROPERTY RELATED NEXT TO HIM, I WILL GET INTO THE ADDRESS, BUT I WILL AGAIN SAY, WE HAVE TAKEN SIGNIFICANT STEPS TO TRY TO FIX THE ISSUE. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE RATE AND PACE THAT WOULD MAKE ANYONE HAPPY IT IT'S PROCEDURAL. AND TO THE POINT OF MAKING SURE WE FULFILL OUR OBLIGATIONS . ANYTIME WE GET A COMPLAINT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES STAFF, THEY GO OUT, THEY DOCUMENT AND WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF IT IS A GIGGLY AFTER-HOURS THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE INFORMATION. WE ARE NOT WORKING IN SILOS. WHILE IT IS FRUSTRATING, IT ISN'T JUST GETTING BETTER REGULATIONS, WE ARE TAKING ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, NOT ONLY HAVE WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES, BUT YOUR STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING , REGULATIONS, IN TERMS OF SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT ARLINGTON HAS DONE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. I HAVE BEEN HERE A YEAR AND A HALF AND HAVE HEARD THIS COMPLAINT, UNFORTUNATELY SINCE 2023.

NEEDED SOMEONE ON BOARD WHO CAN WORK WITH ME AND CORRECT THE COURSE, SHE'S BEEN HERE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS. WHEN SHE GOT HERE ONE OF THE FIRST TASKS WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT AND WORKING ON WAS HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE THINGS WE ARE HERE FOR? ISN'T JUST SENDING A CODE COMPLAINTS OFFICER OUT, THAT IS SLOW. IT IS WHAT ELSE WORKS IN THE CITY? AND IT IS SOME SCHEME OF ZONING AND APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS . SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. LOOKED AT THE ARLINGTON ORDINANCE. WE HAVE DONE ALL THESE THINGS. AND AT SOME POINT ARE PREPARED TO BRING IT FORWARD WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. NOW I WILL TURN OVER.

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>> YES, OKAY, SO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. SO THE COUNCIL AND FULL COUNCIL COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. I KNOW THE CITY STAFF IS DOING ALL THEY CAN WITH THE ORDINANCES WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE ORDINANCES THAT GO FARTHER. THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT, OTHER CITIES HAVE TRIED , LIKE THE CITY OF DALLAS, THEY HAVE THE JUDGE ISSUE APR OH ON THEIR ORDINANCE LAST DECEMBER AND IT STILL HASN'T ON THE COURT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT, ANYTHING I SAY. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS FIGURE OUT, WHAT DIRECTION WE CAN GO, WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO , WHAT DIRECTION WE CAN GO WITHIN THE LEGALITIES . AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION TO ANYBODY THAT I THOUGHT THE STAFF IS NOT DOING ALL THAT THEY CAN DO, THE WAY IT IS NOW . BUT THE CITY HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE, OR THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS EXACTLY WHERE WE DO WANT TO GO. AND I WANT TO GIVE THEM GUIDANCE, OF COURSE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT EXCEPT IN A PUBLIC MEETING. SO THAT IS WHY I PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA THERE, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THE ARLINGTON ORDINANCES , THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE 2019 AND THEY HAVE STOOD UP , THEY HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME. SO I FELT LIKE THAT IS A GOOD STARTING POINT, NOT NECESSARILY THE WE JUST COPY ARLINGTON, BUT THAT WE USE THAT AS A GUIDELINE.

COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE SOME LAST-MINUTE INFORMATION , I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GET THAT TO YOU EARLIER. -- IT SHOWS THE ZONING MAP, HOW THEY HAVE THE STR OVERLAY THAT SHOWS WHAT DISTRICTS CAN HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND THOSE DO NOT INCLUDE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THEY DO INCLUDE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS. MULTIFAMILY. THAT KIND OF AREA. I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE PROTECT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF BOTH THE OWNERS WHO WANT TO RENT THEIR PROPERTIES, AND THE SURROUNDING OWNERS.

BECAUSE WE CAN'T FORGET THEM TOO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENJOY YOUR PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING TO BE SUBJECTED TO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT SOME OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTAL CAUSE YOU TO BE SUBJECTED TO.

THAT'S WHY THIS IS ON THE AGENDA, I WANT US TO TALK ABOUT IT. I WANT US TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WHAT WE CAN DO. SO THEY KNOW WHAT TO COME BACK WITH AND THEY ARE NOT JUST OUT THERE BLINDLY WORKING ON SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER THAT IS WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS.

>> I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT TOO. JUST YOUR POINT, CITY MANAGER, GLACIAL, CODE ENFORCEMENT. A GREAT WAY TO SAY THAT. I WAS THINKING OF SOME WAYS WE COULD DO A LITTLE FASTER A AND THINGS SUCH AS A STRICT PERMITTING AND PERMIT FEES. SO SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE AN STR, WE HAVE A $2500 PERMIT FEE UPFRONT. I REALIZE THAT IS NOT GOING TO SWAY THE NEIGHBORS. CERTAINLY IT LETS THE STR KNOW WE MEAN BUSINESS.

FURTHER, AUSTIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS UNDER INDISCERNIBLE ] THEY DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THREE TYPES OF STR'S. OWNER OCCUPIED, MEANING I HAVE AN EXTRA ROOM, I LIVE HERE, AND ALSO BACK. NON-UNOCCUPIED WHICH IS WHAT I THINK WE SEE A LOT OF PROBLEMS, AND MULTIFAMILY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE MUCH OF THAT GOING ON HERE. AND I THINK IF WE COULD DEFINE THAT IN THREE WAYS, PERHAPS WE COULD BE A LITTLE STRICTE AND A LITTLE MORE HEAVY-HANDED AS A COMES TO NON-OWNER-OCCUPIED STR'S. I'M A BIG FAN OF PROPERTY RIGHTS, SO I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY RESTRICT ALTOGETHER, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

HOWEVER I THINK WE HAVE CONTINUED PROBLEMS, WE KNOW THERE WERE TWO OR THREE MENTIONED HERE, CAN BE HEAVY-HANDED ON THE ENFORCEMENT. OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO KNOW WHERE THE COURTS WOULD FALL. ONE OF THE THING THAT ARLINGTON HAS I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING THEY WILL REVOKE A PERMIT , ACCORDING TO WHAT I READ, THEY WILL REVOKE A PERMIT IF THERE

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TO HAVE, SUCH AS YORK CITY, -- NEW YORK CITY, SAN FRANCISCO, THE HAVE STRICT LAWS IN TERMS OF NOT OWNER-OCCUPIED, THEY CAN ONLY BE LEASED OUT FOR CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS PER YEAR . I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER IN ORDINANCE. AGAIN, IT IS NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT, IT'S REALLY PINPOINTING SO WE ARE MAKING IT TO WHERE THEY WANT TO BE GOOD CITIZENS. IF YOU WANT TO RENT IN ROWLETT, BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS.

IT'S REALLY AS SIMPLE AS THAT. AND THEN, I WILL LEAVE IT AT

THAT FOR NOW. >> CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU GO INTO -- I KNOW YOU SAID YOU BEEN WORKING ON DEVELOPING OR TRYING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, CAN YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS AND WHAT

DIRECTION YOU'RE TRYING TO? >> COREY HAS BEEN WORKING ON GETTING THE FRAMEWORK OF AN ORDINANCE TO THE POINT THAT TIM MADE, ROWLETT HAS DEVISED PUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WE WERE FOLLOWING THE SAME MODEL. ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS. YOU HAVE SAPPHIRE BAY AREA WE HAVE LOOKED AT. WE THINK OF THAT, WE THINK OF IT AS AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. THE NORTH SHORE, WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE. IT MAY WELL BE A LOT OF ENTERTAINMENT THE COMES THERE. THERE ARE SOME EVELOPERS KICKING THE TIRES. THAT WAS ONE OF THE DISTRICT WE LOOKED AT. AND THE THIRD IS THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. WHICH AGAIN, YOU CAN DEFINE THE BOUNDARIES, WE LOOKED AT THREE AREAS. THERE IS MORE WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS, SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH VICTORIA, WE WERE GOING TO BRING THE CONVERSATION, MY JOB ISN'T TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH USE LEGISLATORS SO WE HAVE STOOD BACK AND SAID LOOK AT THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE.

BUT WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD IN TERMS OF COMPILING DATA, INFORMATION, AND THE STATISTICS AND DOING THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, SO THIS TWO ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

WE'VE ALREADY BUILT THE FRAMEWORK OF KIND OF HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THIS AND WHAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU AND WHAT SEEMS TO HAVE FOLLOWED WHAT HELD UP AND WAS STOOD THE PROCESSES THEY TOOK TO ALLOW IT TO DO SO.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY -- I KNOW RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, DO YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION ABOUT WHEN THESE THINGS WILL

COME BACK TO COUNCIL? >> IT'S GOT TO BE A FEW MONTHS. WE'VE GOT TO DO ANALYSIS. SHE HAS TO PULL THE DATA TOGETHER. IT'S GOING TO BE A FEW MONTHS. WE HAVE TO TAKE A STRONG LOOK AT THIS. BUT A DRAFT ORDINANCE, A VERSION OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THAT'S ALL IT'S MEANT TO BE, IS ALREADY PREPARED. I THINK YOU DEVELOPED THE MAPS, I THINK I SAW THEM IN A PACKET. WE HAVE KIND OF ALREADY LAID FRAMEWORK ALREADY. THIS CONVERSATION WILL PUT MORE MEAT ON THOSE BONES FOR US. RIGHT? YOU GUYS ARE KICKING OUT IDEAS ALREADY THE WILL HAD SOME ADDITIONAL MEAT TO THE BONES. IT WILL BE A FEW MONTHS THOUGH. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS NECESSARY WHERE WE CAN THEN DEMONSTRATE, WHEN WE ARE CHALLENGED, THIS WASN'T ARBITRARY. THERE IS IN FACT LEGITIMATE ANALYSIS. RATIONAL RELATIONSHIP, BETWEEN WHAT WE PERFORMED IN THE RESULTANT

LEGISLATION. >> I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS WHEN WE WERE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT RECOGNITIONS. IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND SHOULD DO TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEGAL ANALYSIS TO KNOW WHAT CONFINES TO STAY WITHIN OR STAY OUT OF. RIGHT? BECAUSE, OTHER CITIES, AS YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN GETTING SUED AND SOME HAVE LOST. SO I KNOW, THAT'S A RETURN TO STAY WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK ARLINGTON HAD BECAUSE THERE IS HAS WITHSTOOD THE

TEST. >> I HOPE WE ARE SUCCESSFUL.

RIGHT? WE ARE NOT GOING TO TELL THE DATA WERE TO LEAD US. WE STARTED WITH, WHAT IS A SUCCESSFUL FRAMEWORK? WHAT HAS

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RENTALS. >> I FORWARD YOUR EMAIL'S. WE NEED TO GET THIS FIXED RIGHT NOW. IF I NEED TO GET A DIRECTOR ON BOARD WHO IS CONVERSANT IN THIS TOPIC, WHO COULD THEN LEAD THIS EFFORT IT'S GOING TO BE A FEW MONTHS. WE COULD'VE GIVEN YOU ARE DRAFT ORDINANCE TONIGHT, NOT TO TAKE ACTION, IT'S, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE ARE DOING. BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE MONTHS.

>> CAN ASK A QUESTION? LET ME PREFACE IT BY SAYING, I KNOW YOU CAN'T SHARE ANY DETAILS ON LITIGATION WE HAVE GOING ON.

WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE, WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL, ARE WE GETTING CLOSE TO RESOLUTION?

>> AN ADDITIONAL RESOLUTION, YES. WE HAD ONE LAYER.

>> I WANT SOMETHING THAT WILL FINALLY PUT AN END TO THAT.

>> LET ME SAY THIS, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO COUCH AN ANSWER.

WE HAD AN ACTION THAT IN THEORY SHOULD HAVE AMELIORATED THIS PROBLEM. BUT LIKE ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO DISOBEY COURT ORDERS OR LEGAL ACTION, SHORT OF TAKING YOU TO JAIL, WHICH WE CAN'T DO FOR THIS, AT LEAST NOT RIGHT NOW, --

>> WORK ON THAT. >>

>> IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO IGNORE COURT ORDERS OR OTHER SUCH THINGS, WE CAN TAKE THEM TO JAIL FOR THAT. WHAT WE THEN DO IS STAND UP THE NEXT LAYER OF ACTION. WE HAVE THIS FIRST LAYER, THOU SHALL NOT DO X. BUT IF A PERSON CHOOSES TO IGNORE IT, THEY CAN. ARE WE ENGAGED IN THE NEXT LAYER? YES.

>> I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD REACH A POINT, WE MAKE IT SO EXPENSIVE FOR THE OWNER TO KEEP DISOBEYING THE PREVIOUS ORDER

THAT -- >> SO WHEN WE BRING THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO YOU, YOU CAN FIND THEM $1 MILLION. PUT IN THERE.

MAKE THAT DECISION. APPLICATION FEE, $2000, $5000, WE ARE HAPPY TO COLLECT THE MONEY. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT --

>> I BETTER PUT A STOP TO THIS RIGHT NOW I'M NOT GOING TO BE

ABLE TO AFFORD IT. >> UNDERSTOOD. RIGHT NOW, WE CHARGE WITH THE ORDINANCE SAYS. COULD WEEK MORE EASILY COME BACK AND AMEND THAT? BUT IS THERE VALUE TO DOING THAT RIGHT NOW VERSUS THE LARGER BODY OF WORK WE ARE WORKING ON? YES, WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN WHAT WE HOPE TO BE THE NEXT SOLUTION

FOR THIS PROBLEM. >> IN REGARDS TO FINES,

INDISCERNIBLE-LOW VOLUME ]. >> THAT'S RIGHT. AND BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK IT IS UNTAPPED, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE SPEND IN TERMS OF STAFF, LEGAL FEES AND OTHER THINGS, COULD WITHSTAND A CHALLENGE TO RAISE THAT FEE? PROBABLY.

>> I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW HIGH YOU WOULD RAISE THE FEE. I HOSTED MY DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY PARTY, SOME OF THEM ARE $1000 PER NIGHT OR MORE. THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR WHAT THEY ARE MAKING WOULD EASILY OUTWEIGH A FEE THAT IS PROBABLY SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS. I THINK THEY WOULD MAKE THAT BACK IN A

MATTER OF DAYS. >>

]. >> I WOULD THINK THAT DEFENDING THE ORDINANCES WE HAVE, CHANGING THOSE FEES WOULD BE WORTHWHILE RIGHT NOW. IS AT A DIFFICULT THING TO DO?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. >> THAT WOULD BE FOR --?

>> THE APPLICATION. >> SO THEY HAVE TO RENEW ONCE

PER YEAR? ALL RIGHT. >> QUESTION. WITH REGARDS TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE WE HAVE IN PLACE, I KNOW THERE IS AN INSPECTION PROVISION, ARE THOSE TAKING PLACE AND ARE WE ON

SCHEDULE? >>

>> THERE TAKING PLACE KNOW WHEN WE HAD A CONVERSATION A FEW MONTHS BACK WE THOUGHT MAYBE THE SECTIONS WOULD REFLECT THE WE ARE NOT DOING THOSE QUARTERLY.

ARE PAYING SPECIAL ATTENTION TO ANY COMPLAINTS OR VIOLATIONS IN PLACE,

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>> IS A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, IS A BEING RESPONSIVE AND PROACTIVE TO ENSURING ALL OF THE STR IS OPERATING IN THE CITY ARE OPERATED? -- REGISTERED?

>> WE REGISTER THEM INTERNALLY.

>> THERE IS A VENDOR SOFTWARE WE USE THE TRACKS THEM .

>> AND IDENTIFIES THEM THROUGH THE DIFFERENT WEBSITES?

>> WE ARE USING THOSE TOOLS TO SEE IF THERE ARE NOT INDISCERNIBLE-LOW VOLUME ] WE ARE USING THAT INFORMATION TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL ACTION ON THOSE PROPERTIES.

>> WE DISCUSSED ORIGINALLY, YOU HAVE THE MISCONCEPTION THAT WAS

PROACTIVE. >> I DON'T KNOW.

>> I GOT AN IMPRESSION TOO. AGAIN, I DON'T TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER, WE WEREN'T REALLY PREPARED FOR SOME OF THESE.

I'D WANT TO MAKE AN EXCUSE. IT MAY DO MORE THAN SHE KNOWS AND CERTAINLY MORE THAN I KNOW BUT WE HAVEN'T DUG INTO IT.

>> AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SO WE CAN GET THOSE THINGS OUT . I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU , I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH. AND THEY WISH I COULD DO SOME KIND OF INSTANT FIX FOR IT. IF I COULD I WOULD.

ONE THING GOING BEYOND WHAT THE CITY IS DOING IS THAT THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA IS ADVOCATING SUPPORTING LEGISLATION AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTING IN JANUARY TO GIVE CITIES MORE AUTHORITY OVER SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO THAT COULD HELP SOME. OF COURSE WE STILL OF THE COURT CASES, WE HAVE THE CASE LAW, BUT THAT WOULD HELP A LOT IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING PASSED AT THE

STATE LEVEL. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO FOLLOW-UP ON MAYOR PRO TEM JEFF WINGET'S QUESTION --

>> JEFF IS FINE. >> SO, JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. IF WE ARE NOT SURE WE HAVE ALL OF THE STR'S HAVING PERMITS, I'M ASSUMING THAT MEANS WE ARE MISSING OUT ON THE OCCUPANCY TAXES OUT THERE? AND, THERE IS ALSO 24-HOUR CONTACT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ON FILE AS WELL. THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO VERY QUICKLY, IF YOU MAKE THAT PART OF OUR CODE COMPLIANCE ENFORCEMENT OF HITTING THE 24 HOUR CONTACT SAYING THERE'S A PROBLEM AT YOUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW --

>> THEY DO. AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, IN FAIRNESS TO THE TO COMPLAINTS TEAM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ISN'T A MISUNDERSTANDING FOR THE PUBLIC, IF YOU SEND IN A COMPLAINT OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A RESPONSE. AS YOU NOTE, IT'S THE MAKE IT OUT, PA GOES OUT. THEY'VE SENT US NUMEROUS REPORTS. WITH RESPECT TO UNKNOWN STR IS, TO COREY'S POINT, WE LOOK AT VBRO AND ALL THAT STUFF. LIKE ANY PERMITTEE YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHO SUPPOSED HAVE AN. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE ON POINT. BUT IF YOU CALL US, WE'RE GOING TO

TAKE ACTION. >> YOU MENTIONED A FEW TEETH, THERE COUPLE IN THE ORDINANCE. ONE YOU MENTIONED WAS THE THREE

STRIKE RULE. >> TO STRIKES. WE HAVE EIGHT THREE STRIKE RULE. THE DOES EXIST. I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE SUGGESTION OF NUMBER OF DAYS IF IT'S NOT OCCUPIED COME I THINK THIS CREDO SOLUTION, I SAW VICTORIA NOD LIKE THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION. THE MAYBE SOMETHING GOOD TO THROW INTO THE HOPPER, SO TO SPEAK, AS STAFF IS WORKING THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A GREAT SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. WE ESTABLISHED THIS ORDINANCE, EVERY MEMBER THINKING, THIS IS GOING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF STR'S. WE WENT FROM NOTHING TO SOMETHING THE HAD A FAIR AMOUNT OF TEETH AND IN RETROSPECT IT'S LIKE, ALMOST INTO ANYTHING. IT WASN'T NEARLY ENOUGH. NOW WE'RE TRYING TO CARRY THAT BALL FURTHER DOWN THE FIELD AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BRING IT FORWARD AND I APPRECIATE STAFF TAKING AN APPROACH TO TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I THINK

WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I THANK YOU STAFF FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. AGAIN, IT WAS NOT

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>> I DIDN'T TAKE IT AS SUCH. >> JUST TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

AND ALSO TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING. A LOT OF THE TIMES IN GOVERNMENT, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, WE TRY TO BE TRANSPARENT, BUT MANY TIMES WE ARE DOING THINGS THAT WE KNOW THEY ARE HAPPENING, THE PEOPLE OUT THERE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING IS HAPPENING AND IT LOOKS LIKE NOTHING IS HAPPENING. I THINK HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WAS A

GOOD THING AND I HOPE. >> IT WAS, I RECORDED THE INPUT I HAVE HEARD HERE AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH CREATION OF REFINING THE ORDINANCE WE WILL HAVE THE SOLUTIONS. AND PROBABLY A LITTLE SOONER WITH THE APPLICATION PART.

INDISCERNIBLE-LOW VOLUME ] >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD

[4B. Discuss and receive feedback on a Memorandum of Agreement with the Dallas Off-Road Bicycle Association (DORBA) to utilize city-owned property for construction and ongoing maintenance of a bicycle trail generally located between Main Street and Miller Heights, east of President George Bush Turnpike.]

>> I DID PUT ON THE AGENDA. I TALKED WITH MARK MALLOY WHO IS KIND OF LEADING THIS FROM THE OTHER END AND WAS THE LIAISON TO DORBA. THEY HAVE PRESENTED , THE STARTED -- GOSH I DON'T

KNOW HOW LONG AGO IT STARTED, >> LAST JULY.

>> MANY MONTHS AGO. AND, WHEN IT CAME BEFORE US AT FIRST, I THOUGHT, THAT IS AN INTERESTING IDEA. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THE MORE THAT I TALKED TO -- AND ESPECIALLY WHEN I TALKED TO RICHARD WHITE AND MR. MALLOY THEY HAD A LOT OF DETAILS, IT WAS A VERY DETAILED PLAN. VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN. MR. MALLOY IS AN ENGINEER AND HAS WORKED ON A LOT OF THIS BEFORE.

I ALSO CONTACTED GARLAND PD WHO IS THE PARKS DIRECTOR. TO ASK HIM ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH DORBA. HE HAD VERY POSITIVE THINGS TO SAY. IN FACT HE WAS GOING TO BE HERE TONIGHT. SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, THE REQUEST FROM DORBA GOT WITHDRAWN. AND MY UNDERSTANDING -- I TALKED TO MR. MALLOY AGAIN BECAUSE FRANKLY IT SURPRISED ME WHEN HE TOLD ME DORBA HAD DECIDED NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS. AND IT SEEMED THAT OUR CITY HAD NOT BEEN VERY COLLABORATIVE OR VERY OPEN TO THE IDEA OF THESE TRAILS THAT WERE GOING TO BASICALLY BE PUT IN FOR US WITH LITTLE TO NO EXPENSE FROM US , THE CONTRACT , THE MO A , MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, WAS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT WAS EXTREMELY FAVORABLE TO THE CITY IF THE CITY DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE PROPERTY THEY COULD IMMEDIATELY TELL DORBA AND DORBA WOULD AGREE TO GET OUT, TO RETURN THE PROPERTY TO THE CONDITION IT WAS IN BEFORE. I'VE NEVER SEEN A CONTRACT QUITE AS ONE-SIDED. IT SEEMED LIKE A REALLY GOOD DEAL. AND THEN I GUESS, THREE DAYS AGO, FOUR DAYS AGO, I FOUND OUT THAT DORBA HAD DECIDED, THE BOARD, HAD DECIDED TO PULL OUT. THIS HAPPENED AFTER A PARKS MEETING TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING AND HAVEN'T SEEN RECORDINGS SO DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED THERE. I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE FULL COUNCIL DIDN'T GET TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION AND DIDN'T GET TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. I FEEL LIKE ISSUE. DORBA HAS WITHDRAWN THE REQUEST , THERE'S NOTHING WE

CAN DO ABOUT IT. >> I THINK YOU SAID A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. WE MIGHT DISAGREE SLIGHTLY ON THE WASTE THAT HANDLED THE. I THINK STAFF HANDLED IT FROM A VERY OBJECTIVE STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF

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HOWEVER, WHEN IT CAME TO THE COUNCIL LEVEL, AND IT WORKED ITS WAY TOWARD THE COUNCIL LEVEL, IT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE IT THAT FOR. I ABSOLUTELY AFFIRM THE DECISION TO GO TO THE PARKS BOARD AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I THINK OUR MISSTEP THERE WAS NOT HAVING THEM DO PRESENTATION FOR THE PARKS BOARD. THEY WERE NOT AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. I COULD BE MISTAKEN. NONE OF US WERE THERE. SO NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND FOR THE PARKS BOARD TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF GET A CONFERENCE OF LOOK BEFORE THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL , I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY OUR MISSTEP IF ANYTHING. I DON'T REALLY FAULT STAFF. I THINK THE TO VERY OBJECTIVE LOOK AT IT. BUT OVERALL, I THINK WE COULD'VE HANDLED THE WHOLE THING A LITTLE BETTER. THAT'S

ALL. >> AGAIN, I WAS REPORTING WHAT

MR. MALLOY SAID. >> THAT'S FAIR.

>> I LIKE TO SEE IF THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE RESURRECTED. WE HAVE SO FEW VENUES IN THE CITY FOR RECREATION. WE HAVE THE ZONE FOR KIDS, BUT, SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE , WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT. I DON'T KNOW IF DORBA BE WILLING TO RECONSIDER . I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER IT AGAIN.

>> I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THE STAFF DISCUSSION ON THAT. AND REASONS WHY THEY DECLINED. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT COME BACK.

>> IF I MAY, I VISITED THE SITE, I WALKED THROUGH THE BRUSH NO POISON IVY, NO TICS. AND GOOD. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE VISION FOR THE TRAIL IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT. IF WE THEN DECIDE THIS IS SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, MAYBE WE CAN REACH OUT TO DORBA AND SEE IF THEY STILL HAVE AN AVENUE THEY WANT TO PROCEED . BASED ON WHAT MR. MALLOY SAID HE INDICATED DORBA WAS DISHEARTENED.

>> THAT'S A GOOD WORD. I ASKED HIM THAT. I SAID IS A COMPLETELY DEAD IN THE WATER OR WILL HE RECONSIDER? HE SAID HE THOUGHT THAT AFTER A COOLING-OFF PERIOD, THAT THEY

MIGHT BE WILLING. >> BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT -- I CERTAINLY RESPECT THE STAFF. HAVE A LOT OF COURAGE AND THE COUNCIL. THIS IS A HIGH-PRIORITY AND I WOULD BE WILLING , IF COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE IT PRIORITY WE COULD GET THIS IN THERE. AND STAFF NOT FEEL LIKE HERE IS THE COUNCIL HANDING YET ANOTHER

>> AND DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF ? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT

WE NEED TO LOOK AT? >> CAN I JUMP IN? IF YOU DON'T MIND. THE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, I AM THE ONE WHO PUT FORTH , PUT THIS ITEM FOR THE PARKS BOARD FOR THE WEDNESDAY MEETING. IN ANTICIPATION OF DORBA GIVING THE PRESENTATION.

THAT'S WHY WAS THERE. I WILL TELL YOU, FROM THE INSTANT I HEARD THIS, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA. I LOVE DORBA.

I LOVE WHAT THEY DO. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING WITH THE YOUTH.

AMAZING. ABSOLUTELY GREAT. COMPLETELY PRO TRAIL.

COMPLETELY ANTI-TRAIL IN THAT SETTING. I MADE A PRESENTATION, I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW, BASICALLY MY ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT, NUMBER ONE ARGUMENT, SOME OF IT HAS TO DO IS STAFF, NUMBER ONE ARGUMENT IS SAFETY. IT IS NOT SAFE . THIS IS BEING PRESENTED AS, THESE ARE MULTIUSE WALKING TRAILS. RIGHT?

>> THAT WAS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING. MY UNDERSTANDING --

>> I HEARD A BOTH WAYS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN PRESENTED THAT WAY.

IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. THE MAIN TRAIL OVER AT ROWLETT CREEK PRESERVE, -- HERE'S ANOTHER THING I WANT TO BRING UP, I CHECKED IT, IT IS 3.6 MILES FROM HERE TO ROWLETT CREEK PRESERVE. THEY HAVE 14.2 MILES OF TRAIL. THERE IS NO OUTSIDE

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>>

ANYWAY, -- >> SO THE CONVENIENCE OF THEIR MEMBERS WHO ARE ROWLETT RESIDENTS.

>> THERE ARE 2000 MEMBERS OF DORBA. I WENT THERE ON A TUESDAY MORNING, -- SUNDAY MORNING EARLY YESTERDAY, 9:00 PROBABLY. THERE WERE 22 CARS IN THE PARKING LOT ON AN EARLY SUNDAY MORNING. WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO USE THE BACKSIDE PARKING LOT, RIGHT? FOR THEIR PARKING. SO WE GET RAIN OUT THERE, EVERYONE WHO USES THAT IS GOING TO COME APPEAR -- UP HERE. NOW WE HAVE 40 CARS IN A PLACE WE BARELY HAVE ENOUGH PARKING ALREADY. IT IMPEDES ON THE DISK GOLF COURSE. LOOK AT THE MAP. IT GOES THROUGH THE DISK GOLF COURSE. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TELL ME THAT IS NOT A SAFETY HAZARD. I WALK MY DOG ON THE PRESERVE TRAILS, I WALKED EIGHT TIMES. TWO TIMES I WAS RUNNING TO AT SPEED IN A COLLISION. THE FIRST TIME I GOT KIND OF MAD. WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, DUDE? THE SECOND TIME I REALIZED I AM A PEDESTRIAN WITH THE DOG WALKING ON A BIKE TRAIL. I'VE GOT NO BUSINESS BEING ON A BIKE TRAIL.

IT'S A BIKE TRAIL. IT'S NOT A MULTIUSE WALKING TRAIL. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 5+ MILES PUT ON 20 ACRES. WE DID QUICK MATH. IT WAS A TRAIL WITH 22 MILES, 96 ACRES. IT'S SOMETHING LIKE SIX POINT SOMETHING ACRES PER TRAIL MILE. OVER HERE, IT TURNED OUT TO BE 3.4 TRAIL MILES PER ACRE. THIS IS SLAMMED IN. DORBA, FOR THEM TO HAVE A TRAIL THAT MAKES SENSE, IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE MILES LONG. IT'S KIND OF THEIR DESIGN PARAMETER. IT'S NOT WORTH IT IF IT'S NOT FIVE MILES LONG. THEY'RE GOING TO JIM FIVE MILES OF TRAIL INTO ARGUABLY THE ONLY PUBLIC GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE GOT THAT SITS ABSOLUTELY ADJACENT TO THE WHETSTONE, TO THE RCC, TO EVERYBODY BACK HERE. WE HAVE NIGHT CAMPS BACK THERE. WE HAVE NIGHT HIKES BACK THERE. YOU SHOULD A FIREWORKS. GOING TO TURN THIS ALL OVER -- IT'S A FUN SPORT. IT'S A COOL THING TO DO, BUT WHAT MAKES IT FUN IS YOU GO REALLY, REALLY FAST. AND YOU JUMP OVER STUFF. YOU MAKE FAST TURNS. THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. THAT IS WHAT IS FUN ABOUT

IT. THAT IS NOT FUN? OKAY. >> ARE WE ALLOWED TO SPEAK?

>> NO. BUT ANYWAY, THE POINT BEING , MOUNTAIN BIKING, THIS IS A HIGH INTENSITY PHYSICAL ACTIVITY. THIS IS A PUBLIC GREEN SPACE, ARGUABLY THE LAST PUBLIC GREEN SPACE WE HAVE. WE HAVE 14.2 MILES IN TRAILS , 3.6 MILES -- I TIME TO, SEVEN MINUTES 34 SECONDS. I AM SORRY THAT IT FLOODS AND IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR THE DORBA MEMBERS. BUT I STRONGLY BELIEVE THE SAFETY FACTOR IS SO OVER-THE-TOP. I HONESTLY CAN'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT IS STILL THROUGH SO BEING CONSIDERED.

THAT WAS WHAT I PRESENTED. THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT I PRESENTED TO THE PARKS BOARD. DORBA ASKED IF THEY COULD SPEAK . DORBA HAS HAD ONE YEAR TO GO BEFORE THE PARKS BOARD, THEY'VE NEVER ASKED. I PUT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I WANTED MY THOUGHTS TO BE SHARED. IT'S MY TIME. THIS IS MY AGENDA. IT WASN'T SET UP TO BE A DEBATE. IF DORBA THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO

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THAT IS WHERE I'M GOING TO LEAVE MY ARGUMENT.

>> WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. I THINK IT'S A PERFECT SPOT. FIRST OF ALL, I DO THINK IF WE MARKET IT AS A BIKE TRAIL, NOT A MULTIUSE TRAIL, THAT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE CONCERNS ON SAFETY. IF THERE IS ENCROACHMENT ON THE FRISBEE , PERHAPS WE CAN REROUTE SLIGHTLY SO IT DOESN'T CROSS THAT WAY. BUT HERE IS THE THING ON THE OPEN GREEN SPACE, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THAT AREA, I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS AN OPEN SPACE. I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS FOR PUBLIC WALKING. I MAY BE WRONG, THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION. SO WHEN I HEARD THIS WAS AN OPTION, TO ME I THOUGHT, THAT IS A GREAT USE OF SPACE THAT POTENTIALLY NO ONE EER USES. I THINK -- I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A YOUTH PROGRAM SO CLOSE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, TO GET TEENS INTO A HEALTHY OUTDOOR THING. QUITE FRANKLY I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED AND USUALLY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY.

ON THIS INSTANCE I DON'T BECAUSE I'M SURPRISED BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WERE PARKS PERSON AND LOVE TO BE OUTSIDE. AND THIS IS A GREAT PLACE ARE GREAT WAY, A NON-COST WAY FOR ROWLETT TO PROVIDE AN AMENITY FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE IN THE OUTDOORS. YEAR-ROUND. I HAVE BEEN ON RCP, I WENT IN THERE COUPLE TIMES, I HAVE FALLEN AND HAD THORNS OVER ME AND ALL OF THAT. SOME OF THE TECHNICAL TERMS. I TOOK MY SON AND HE LOVES IT. BUT TO THE POINT THAT WE HEARD BEFORE, IT DOESN'T FLOOD SOME. TO ME, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS , ESPECIALLY IF HE TIDES, I DON'T KNOW MY HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFICULT TERRAIN IN THE WAY THESE TRAILS ARE DESIGNED. IS NOT FOR SPEED NECESSARILY. WHILE I ASSUME SOME PEOPLE WILL TRY TO GO AS FAST AS THEY CAN. BUT SOME OF THESE TERMS ARE PRETTY PINK GOOGLE -- TECHNICAL.

INDISCERNIBLE-LOW VOLUME ]. I DO SEE IT AS A NET PLUS TWO ROWLETT. ALSO WITH THE BEING RCC, I SEE THAT AS A BONUS BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL BE GREAT VOLUME ] MAYBE WE SHOULD GO THERE AFTER WE RIDE OUR BIKES.

BUT, IT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO INCREASE TRAFFIC , AND AGAIN, JUST FOR THE PEOPLE HERE IN ROWLETT, WE OFTEN DECRY, WE HAVE A LAKE AND NOT ENOUGH ACCESS. AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT DFW AS A WHOLE METROPLEX, THERE IS NOT TONS OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES FOR US TO DO. IF WE CAN PROVIDE THAT HERE IN ROWLETT FREE OF CHARGE, THAT IS SUCH A BONUS TO THE COMMITTEE.

>> I AM NOT AGAINST ANY MY ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN SORT OF INDUSTRIES THAT ARE EXTREMELY SAFE. AND EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER DONE PROFESSIONAL. SAFETY, EVERYTHING. I FEEL VERY, VERY STRONGLY THIS IS NOT SAFE. THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE

ISSUE. MY SECOND ISSUE IS -- >> REAL QUICK.

>> YES. BECAUSE IT IS, MAYBE YOU HAVE BEEN -- I HAVE FOR

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THEY WERE OUT THERE SATURDAY. THERE WERE GROUPS, MULTIPLE GROUPS OF 10 PEOPLE OUT DOING FRISBEE GOLF. THE PARKING LOT WAS FULL. SO WE HAVE FRISBEE GOLF AND WE HAVE GUYS AND GALS ZIPPING AROUND THEM.

IF THEY PLAY REGULAR GOLF, JUST BECAUSE THE TRAIL IS THERE IS NO INDICATION WHERE THE DISK MAY BE GOING, RIGHT? SO THAT IS NUMBER ONE. THE OTHER ONE YOU HIT. IN THIS, I REALLY -- I KIND OF WILL PUT IT IN THESE TERMS. IT WILL PROBABLY MAKE SOME PEOPLE MAD THAT IT IS SORT OF THE OLD ROUTE. THAT IS KIND OF, OH, SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME INTO THEY WILL BUILD THIS. OH! BUILD THIS. OH! BUDDY. MAN, I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE OPERATIONAL CONTROL TO THANK YOU WHATEVER ACRES OUT THERE TO AN INDEPENDENT GROUP. I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT BUT EVERY TIME THE CITY HAS DONE IT, I CAN SHOW YOU EXAMPLES. IT TURNS INTO A DISASTER. SO THE WAY THEY PREVENTED, I WILL GIVE

THEM CREDIT. >> A, YOU GUYS WE ARE GOING TO COME HERE AND BUILD THESE TRAILS. NOT ONLY THAT, WE WILL MAINTAIN THIS TRAIL. SOUNDS GREAT. IT ICY? SOMEBODY'S THINK, HEY, GIVE US 26 ACRES AND WE WILL DO WHAT WE WANT IT WILL TAKE OPERATIONAL CONTROL. THIS WILL ALL BE GREAT. RUNNING OVER A KID, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. HEY, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TURNING OVER OPERATIONAL CONTROL. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. I HAVE A REAL -- AND NOT JUST ON THIS.

BUT ON OTHER THINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL THAT ARE GOING TO BE THESE TYPE OF THINGS. THIS GREAT, OH, LOOK AT YOU KNOW? AND AT FIRST BLUSH -- BUT DO YOU WANT TO TURN OVER CONTROL? I DO NOT.

>> GENERALLY SPEAKING, PLAN.

THIS IS NOT -- >> RIGHT. IT IS LOW INCOME.

HEAVY EQUIPMENT. CHAINSAWS AND HACKSAW'S. PUTTING SOME STRIDE INTO IT BUT IN THE TRAILS, OFTENTIMES, THEY WILL MAINTAIN THEMSELVES BECAUSE PEOPLE RELY ON THEM. SO AS FAR AS THE TRAIL IT TELLS. -- IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY

>> I CANNOT GO. >> YET, BUT THAT SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW THEY DO THAT . I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, I WILL NOT TURN OVER OPERATIONAL CONTROL INLAND. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- AND SOME STAKES IN THE GROUND.

I DONALD PENN I DON'T THINK THE BENEFIT

>>

>> THE OTHER THING WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT BE JUST GOING INTO THIS. FIRST COMMUNICATING TO DO THIS.

REALLY BENEFIT THEY WORKED REALLY WELL TOGETHER. SO THAT IS GOING TO, WHERE I AM AT. IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, BUT IN OTHER CITIES TOO. BUT I WANT TO TALK TO THE DIRECTOR ROBERT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT BOTHERS ME AGAIN THAT THE FULL COUNCIL DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO INCREASE THE PASSION AND TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS BUT IT GOT KIND OF WAYLAID AS -- AT THE PARKS AND BOARD LEVEL. AS A BOARD LIAISON, I WILL NOT, THAT IS NOT WHAT -- NO PRESENTED A CASE TO MY BOARD. LIKE THAT. ÚT OBVIOUSLY. I JUST -- I WISH THAT IT CAME TO THE WHOLE

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>> THEY CAN BE READ I DID NOT TELL THEM NOT TO BE HERE. I TALKED TO THE -- THEY WERE NOT AT THAT MEETING . THEY CHOSE NOT TO BE AT THIS MEETING. THAT IS NOT ON ME. THAT IS NOT ON ME. THAT IS -- CHOICE.

>> SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO GIVE A QUICK PERSPECTIVE ON IS FROM -- CAN WE KIND OF GO TO THAT?

>> I HAVE ENJOYED NOT HAVING TO TALK. BUT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIRSTLY, WE ARE NOT ANTI--- LET'S BE CLEAR. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION. OUR OBLIGATION -- WHETHER YOU BELIEVE WITH OUR CITIZENS ARE NOT AND ALL OF YOU HAVE SAID THAT BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT ALSO MEANS WE ARE HERE TO DO IS TO OPERATE WITH INTEGRITY. SO LET ME ADDRESS A FEW THINGS IF I COULD READ YOUR GIMMICK, I'M GLAD YOU LIKE IT BUT THAT WAS NOT THE ONE THEY WERE GIVING US INITIALLY. I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS THEM BACK BUT IT WAS NOT THE ONE YOU INHERITED EITHER, IGHT? WITHOUT THE BACK A NUMBER OF TIMES JUST ON THE M.O. YOU ALONE. SO LET'S NOT PRESENT THIS WITH STAFF BEING OBSTRUCTING THIS WITH SINCE JULY 2023, OR CAME IN THIS GREAT HUMAN PLAN FOR THE CITY. THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR. THAT IS NOTHING AGAINST -- BUT THE RCC WAS NOT THE MOU THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR GOING BACK IN MEETING OUR DEMANDS WITH OUR PRESENTER. WHY AM I POINTING THAT OUT? BECAUSE IT GETS PRESENTED, LIKE, WE SHOULD'VE DONE THIS DEAL IN JULY 2023. WHAT WAS WRONG WITH YOU CITY STAFF? IT WAS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE MOU IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. SO ALL OF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR STAFF HAS DONE TO SOME DEGREE HOW WE HAVE GOTTEN HERE BUT I'M SURE -- HAS BEEN FIXED UNDERSTANDABLY. SOME STAFF CHANGES WITH WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY WERE WORKING WITH. WHO THEY WERE PROTO- WELL, OF COURSE, WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM. FOR VARIOUS REASONS. AND RELYING ON THE CITY -- THE CITY OF BEST INTEREST OR UNDERSTANDING OF OUR CANYON. I KNOW FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE IT HAS BEEN VEXING. BUT I KNOW I PERSONALLY SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT IS HOW IMPORTANT THIS HAS BEEN BUT I'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS AND I CANNOT TELL YOU THE INTERVAL OF CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH MANY OF YOU, STAFF, AND EVEN -- MEMBERSHIP. SO WE ARE NOT TAKING THIS LIGHTLY JUST BECAUSE IT WAS NOT OUR RECOMMENDATION TO DO THIS. WE DID NOT RECOMMEND IT. WE DO NOT RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE WE DID NOT THINK THIS WAS THE PLACE NOR THE TIME AT THIS TIME. THE ONE ISSUE FOR US WAS SAFETY. MET OUR ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT. YOU KNOW, BROUGHT BACK DIFFERENT PERMUTATIONS OF THE ALIGNMENT THAT NONE OF WHICH WE THOUGHT WERE SATISFACTORY.

LIKE LAWYERS , THERE CAN BE TWO DIFFERENT OPINIONS. SO MR. MALLOY, THE ENGINEER HIMSELF, GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT OPINION.

OUR ENGINEER, OUR STAFF ENGINEER, WAS A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER AND ALSO, BY THE WAY, A PLANNER.

>> HE HAS THAT TOP SPOT TOO. HE SAID THAT IDEA WAS DANGEROUS.

>> THIS IS? >> THIS IS OUR STAFF ENGINEER, MR. SHOTS. HE DID NOT RECOMMEND THIS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. HE FELT IT WAS DANGEROUS.

>> WHAT WERE HIS RECOMMENDATIONS?

>> I DON'T REMEMBER. WE WERE NOT PREPARED BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT OUR ITEM BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO SOME DEGREE.

I WAS GOING TO SIT ON THE SHELF AND LISTEN. WE WERE NOT BEING OBSTRUCTED. WE HAVE VALID REASONS FOR NUMBER ONE WAS SAFETY. NUMBER TWO, THANK YOU, THAT WAS CAPACITY. THIS HAD NOT BEEN ARTICULATED AS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF OPERATIONAL PRIORITY.

AND YET, WE GET A LOT OF PRIORITY. LET'S NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. HE STILLED IT BUT I SPENT A LOT OF TIME. BRITNEY, TWO LOVER, A LOT OF TIME. AND EVEN CARRIE A LOT OF TIMES BEFORE DIDN'T WORK FOR US SPREAD AND NOT NOW. WE OFFERED UP MONEY. HEY, WHAT ABOUT THAT? IT DID NOT WORK FOR NORMA. SO WE WORKED INSTRUCTIONS BUT WE WERE NOT ANTI-. I DO NOT THINK WE ARE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU HEAR THAT ANOTHER SEGMENT OF OUR BUSINESS BECAUSE WE HAVE A HISTORY OF NOT BEING THE BEST TO WORK WITH BUT I THINK THAT IS CHANGING. I'M ASKING YOU TO HEAR, UNDERSTAND, AND NO SOME OF IT IS BASED ON OTHER FRUSTRATIONS WITH REALITY AS WE SAID NO FOR SAFETY. NUMBER TWO. COUNCIL IS NOT THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY. THERE ARE $150 MILLION WORTH OF OTHER THINGS.

AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ANALYZING THE CITY DID NOT MAKE

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SENSE FOR US. >> I NEED TO UNDERSTAND -- HOW MUCH TIME DO SEE THAT OPERATIONS IS GOING TO EXPEND THIS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS GOING TO ROCKET TO THE --

>> LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. I WAS NOT ADDRESSING THE OPERATIONAL ASPECT BUT AGAIN, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO TWO -- ALONE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPERATIONS FOR YOUR PART BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CAPITAL ASPECT. -- I AM NOT GOING TO LET, YOU CANNOT LET THE PROJECT -- YOU CAN IF YOU SIGNED AN AGREEMENT BUT IT IS BAD BUSINESS FOR BILL LISS IN MY PART WITH ANY INVOLVEMENT , OVERSIGHT, AND INVOLVEMENT BY CITY STAFF.

THAT IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I REFERENCED THE OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WILL TAKEN ENGINEER OR ENGINEER TRAINING FROM SOMETHING ELSE AND HAVE THEM DEDICATED TO THIS. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU HAVE NOT THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY, BUT YOU THOSE OTHER THINGS, IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THAT.

>> HOW MANY HOURS? >> I DON'T KNOW. BUT A

PRIORITY. >> IS GOING TO TAKE THREE WEEKS

IN TIME? >> DON'T KNOW IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT ANALYZED THAT BUT YOU ASKED ME FOR THE FACTORS AND THAT IS A FACTOR PERTINENT TO US. IF YOU, THE POWERS THAT BE IN THE CITY, IF YOU SAY THIS IS A PRIORITY, THEN GUESS WHAT? IT IS GOING TO GET DONE.

>> YOU HAVE NOT SAID THAT YET. I THINK EVERYONE IS FORGETING THAT. YOU HAVE NOT SET IT AND YET WE STILL AFFORDED A LOT OF TIME, ENERGY, AND EFFORT TO THIS BUT IF YOU AT SOME POINT, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE YOU TELL US TO DO, WE GO AND TRY TO DO IT BUT I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT. WE DID NOT BRING IT TO YOU BECAUSE WE FULFILLED OUR OBLIGATION OF THEM INTO THE PROCESS. GOT SOME SPONSORS AND WE ARE HERE TO HEAR THIS AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER. THAT IS IS THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS WOULD WE DO NOT HAVE ANY HARD FEELINGS ABOUT THE APPEAL TO YOU. WHATEVER THE OUTCOME WAS OR WILL BE, WHATEVER THE CASE IS THAT I SIMPLY WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN, HOPEFULLY, VERY CLEARLY AND RATIONALLY, WHETHER THIS IS OBSTRUCTIONIST OR ANTI--- IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR

FOR AN IRRATIONAL PROCESS. >> WE ENGAGE AND ANALYZE THIS BUT IF THERE COMES A TIME WHEN YOU WANT US TO THE COST THOSE THINGS, I WILL BRING STEP BEFORE YOU AND WE WILL LAY THOSE THINGS OUT FOR YOU IN MORE DETAIL.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS ON THIS VERY QUICKLY. SO I UNDERSTOOD THAT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING. I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT -- HAS REFRAIN FROM CONTINUING. HOPEFULLY, SHE WILL RECONSIDER THAT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE CHOICE THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MADE IS WHETHER WE WANT THIS SPACE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS GOLF COURSE OR 15 . I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE BOTH. BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY ASPECT OF PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH. AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY HAVING SOME -- I WILL SAY, I AM A STRONG PROPONENT FOR DORA. I THINK THE PROJECTS THEY HAVE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. AND PROMOTING -- THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN USE HERE IN ROWLETT. I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THE DECISION , RATHER, IS WE HAVE TO DECIDE BETWEEN THIS BEING A FRISBEE GOLF COURSE OR A BIKE TRAIL. HONESTLY, WE HAVE OTHER PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT MAY BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE FRISBEE GOLF COURSE TO WORK THERE. WE COULD POTENTIALLY ENHANCE THE ONE THAT IS AT SPRINGFIELD PARK. MOVING SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE OVER TO THAT PARK. GETTING IT OUT. BECAUSE IF THE DECISION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AS A BIKE TRAIL IF DORA COMES BACK AFTER THEY HAVE COOLED OFF A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER. I DO NOT THINK IT CAN FEASIBLY BE BOTH. ESPECIALLY WHEN OUR ENGINEER HAS ALSO INDICATED SOME CONCERNS WITH SAFETY. OUR STAFF HAS INDICATED CONCERNS WITH SAFETY BUT I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER. BUT IT IS NOT THAT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO MOVE THE FRISBEE GOLF COURSE TO AN ALTERNATE LOCATION POTENTIALLY LIKE WINGFIELD PARK OR ANOTHER PARK WE MAY HAVE. I AM ALSO COGNIZANT OF TIMING AND PRIORITIZATION AT THE CITY MANAGER SAID. $150 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE. I UNDERSTAND THIS ALSO MAY PULL A NUMBER OF STAFF FOR SUPERVISOR THIS PROJECT AS INSTRUCTED. I'M COGNIZANT OF THAT. IF THIS COMES BACK FOR CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL ,

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>> A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. I'M CURIOUS IF THE AMWAY HAS AN AGREEMENT? IT MIGHT'VE GOTTEN CHANGED. IF IT IS AN MOA IN THE OPERATION OF THE SCREEN SPACE?

>> I THINK THEY ACTUALLY USE THE WORD PARTNERSHIP. I DON'T USE THAT FOR LEGAL REASONS. BUT I THINK I SEE THIS , THE ISSUE OF RESPONSIBILITY. NOT JUST THEIR COMPLETE --

>> I THINK THAT IS UNDERSTOOD FROM THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH ESTHER MOORE AS WELL BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A TRAIL STEWARD, THEY OVERSEE THE TRAIL. THEY ENSURE THAT IT IS KEPT IN GOOD ORDER. THEY ALSO REPORT ON THE APP ON THE PHONE WHEN THE TRAIL IS OPEN, CLOSE, THE CONDITIONS. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. ULTIMATELY, IT WOULD BE, LIKE YOU SAID, A PARTNERSHIP. BETWEEN THE CITY AND -- MAYOR, I THINK YOUR COMMENTS -- I HOPE THAT DOOR WILL COME BACK AGAIN. I HAD THE SLIDE DECK. I'M SURE IF YOU REACH OUT TO MR. MOORE, HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE 40 SOME ODD SLIDES OF THE MAPS OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. IT SHOWS THE TRAIL AS IT MEANDERS AROUND THE LOCATIONS BUT I WILL SAY THAT I DO NOT NECESSARILY AGREE IN WHOLE ABOUT THE SAFETY ASPECT SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A REALLY THOROUGH JOB OF TRYING TO WRAP THE TRAIL AROUND THE AVENUES AND -- THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT OFTEN HIT A LOT OF -- BUT I DO BELIEVE THE TRAILS HAVE BEEN SITUATED AS SUCH BUT THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE AN ISSUE.

THERE ARE A FEW POINTS WHERE CROSS IS A WALKING PATH. MR. MOORE HAS INCLUDED SOME ENGINEERING DRAWINGS. HE HAS A CIVIL ENGINEERING -- ENGINEERING DRAWINGS OF HOW THE LINE OF SIGHT WILL BE RELATED WITH, YOU KNOW, BICYCLE TRAFFIC AND HELP PEOPLE WITH EACH OTHER. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT IT WAS RELINQUISHED AS A MULTIUSE TRAIL. THAT QUESTION CAME UP HOWEVER, THE INTENT OF THAT WAS HIKERS ARE GOING ONE DIRECTION AND BIKERS ARE GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

THAT ALLOWS THE VISIBILITY ASPECT THAT I DO NOT THINK CURRENTLY EXIST. I THINK THAT IS MAYBE ANOTHER ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY. THERE WOULD BE SPOTS WHERE THEY WOULD INSTALL, WITH BRIDGES OR SERVICES TO GO ACROSS AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS TO INDICATE THINGS SUCH AS EROSION. THE TRAIL AT SELF WOULD BE BASED ON THE QUESTION ASKED AND SITUATED IN SUCH WAY THAT ITEMIZES AROSE IN AS WELL. ANYTIME THERE IS A DOWNHILL PATH, ANYTIME THERE IS THE AROSE AND WITH WHAT NATURALLY HAPPENS WITH HER A COUPLE OF SPOTS WHERE THERE WOULD NEED TO BE BRIDGES INSTALLED. OBVIOUSLY, WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. IT IS HONESTLY GORGEOUS , TO YOUR POINT. WE HONESTLY HAD NO IDEA THAT EXISTED HERE IN THE CITY UNTIL I GOT OUT THERE. NOW THEY'RE UNCOVERING IS REALLY CLEAR. IT IS NOT OVERGROWN. AND SPEAKING, THERE ARE A LOT OF SMALL SAPLINGS AND NOT A LOT OF UNDERGROWTH. YOU CAN KIND OF NAVIGATE YOUR WAY THROUGH IT.

THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TRAIL WOULD REALLY JUST BE A LOT OF BREAKING AND CLEARING. SO THE BEST POINT OF CHAINSAWS AND ROPES AND SMALL EQUIPMENT WILL BE NECESSARY. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE TOUCH ON THAT. ALSO IN THE PACKET, THIS WAS NOT BROUGHT UP IN OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AS A RESULT OF WHAT THEY HAD ASKED FOR, REALLY, A FEW THINGS. ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE ASPHALT RAMS. ESSENTIALLY JUST TO ALLOW EASE OF ACCESS OVER THE CURB. THERE

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YOU KNOW, HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DISCOURSE IN TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> I WAS GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THE APP. SO IF WERE HAVING FIREWORKS OR HAVING -- IF WE ARE HAVING ANY OF THESE OTHER ACTIVITIES, I CAN ACTUALLY CLOSE THE TRAIL. WE ARE NOT GOING PUBLIC ON THIS TRAIL TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE A NIGHT HIKE. OR WHATEVER IT IS. TENT CAMPING OR WHATEVER. SO THAT TRAIL CAN BE CLOSED. YOU CAN PUT A CROSSING JUST LIKE WE ARE NOT USING THIS TODAY. I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY ELIMINATE SOME CONCERNS FOR SAFETY OVER THAT.

I CERTAINLY, THERE ARE MANY PLACES THAT YOU CAN ALSO DEVELOP. IT IS BEAUTIFUL THEY ARE. AND I CERTAINLY AGREE. I NEVER REALIZED I COULD GO WALKING BACK THERE. I NEVER WENT TO WALK BACK THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY -- I ALSO WONDER , SOMEONE HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAMPING BACK THERE. I MEAN, ISN'T IT A GOOD THING TO HAVE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH OUR MORE SECLUDED SPACES ON A ROUTINE BASIS? THAT WAY, THEIR EYES ARE IN THE WOODS. THAT IS MY THOUGHTS.

>>

>> I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT -- AS WELL.

>> >> MAYBE. MY 100-YEAR-OLD GREAT AUNT LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND SHE IS NOT SO KEEN ON IT. THERE YOU GO.

>> OKAY. WELL, WE WILL STAY TUNED AND SEE WHERE THIS TAKES

[4C. Discuss and provide feedback on a proposal to request the addition of one or more United States Postal Service (USPS) collection box(es) on the eastern side of the City.]

SIDE OF THE CITY. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE

REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU, GUYS.

>> THIS IS AN ITEM I REQUESTED TO HAVE. I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS FOR SUPPORTING THIS ITEM AS WELL BUT I HAVE A VERY LONG -- IT IS THREE SLIDES. THERE IS THE TITLE SLIDE, THE MEAT OF THE CONVERSATION, AND THE QUESTION-AND-ANSWER SESSION. IF YOU FOR THE PACKET, THIS IS TO CONSIDER ADDING ONE OR MORE -- TO REQUEST THAT THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE HAD ONE OR MORE BLUE USPS COLLECTION BOXES ELSEWHERE IN ROWLETT FOR AN IMAGE ON E SIDE, BUT WHEN LOOKING AT THE MAP, THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LOCATION AS WELL. SO HERE IN THIS MAP, THIS IS TAKEN FROM THE USPS WEBSITE. THE PARTICULAR FILTERS FOR THIS MAP ARE POST OFFICES, USPS COLLECTION BOXES. YOU WILL NOTICE NOTABLY THAT THE CITY OF ROWLETT HAS ONE LOCATION. I KNOW THE BULLITT POINT APPEARS TO BE AT MILLER AND -- WROTE.

THAT IS NOT CORRECT. THAT IS OUR POST OFFICE. THE UNIT HAS AN EIGHT THERE IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SERVICES OFFERED WITHIN THAT BLUE BULLITT POINT. NOTABLY, WHEN I PULLED IT UP, I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THERE IS LITERALLY NO COLLECTIONS ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN -- AND WE DO HAVE TO CROSS THE BRIDGE IF YOU WANT TO DEPOSIT A PIECE OF MAIL OUTSIDE OF YOUR REGULAR MAILBOX OUTSIDE YOUR HOME.

AND LOOKING AT THE MAP AND LOOKING AT -- YOU WILL NOTICE THERE ARE BULLITT POINTS THAT ARE PRETTY WELL SPREAD OUT IN THAT AREA. SO I AM SIMPLY, REACH OUT TO A CITY MANAGER AND SAID, WHAT OPTIONS DO WE HAVE HERE? OBVIOUSLY, NO STATUTORY

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>> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. TODAY, HAVING GONE TO THE USPS -- THE U.P.S. STORE AND THEN GOING TO THE USPS AND FINDING IT WAS CLOSED FOR THE HOLIDAY. I'VE NOTICED MANY TIMES IN THE PAST, WHY WE HAVE -- PLACES TO MAIL SOMETHING. I SURE YOU YOU CAN MAIL IT FROM YOUR HOME. BUT THAT IS NOT ALWAYS SUCH A GOOD IDEA THESE DAYS BECAUSE WE HAVE MAILBOX FEES AND SUCH BUT I'M TOTALLY 100% IN SUPPORT OF THIS. I'M HOPING WE CAN GET TWO, SPEAKERS ]ACTUALLY BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, I THINK IT

WOULD BE GOOD. >>

>> I'M NOT SURE THE EXTENT STAFF IS TO ENGAGE IN THIS BUT THIS ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THE CITY HAS, THERE IS NO FORMAL MECHANISM TO REQUEST AN ADDITIONAL USPS BOX FROM THE USPS PRINT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR CAN SEND A LETTER OR GO TALK TO THE POSTMASTER AT A LOCAL OFFICE. WE CAN ALWAYS DO THAT AND SPEAK TO THEM AND ASKED THEM TO DO THAT. I LOOKED , AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, I COULD NOT FIND A FORMAL PLACE TO REQUEST AN ADDITIONAL COLLECTION BOX BUT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN GO TALK TO YOUR POSTMASTER.

>> THE POSTMASTER INFORMATION.

>> WE HAVE TO GO AND PHYSICALLY TALK TO THE POSTMASTER.

ICE LAKE, STAFF, IF THE POSTMASTER ASKS, THEY CAN PUT IT IN A COLLECTION BOX AT EIGHT -- PROPERTY. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY WHEN OPERATIONS WILL HAVE TO GET INVOLVED. CITY MANAGER, I DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU BUT I WAS THINKING THIS WAS PROBABLY MORE OF A CULTURAL DRIVEN THING, RATHER THAN A STAFF DRIVEN THING. CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT. >> OKAY, GREAT. I AM GLAD.

>> LOVE YOU TO BE CORRECT IN THIS CASE. BUT WHEN THE MAYOR PRO TEM APPROACHED ME, HE CANNOT GIVE INSTRUCTIONS OR OTHERWISE.

I SAID TO THE MAYOR

PUT IT ON. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WILL CERTAINLY SUPPORT IT. >> I AM SHOCKED TO SEE WE DID NOT HAVE IT.

THAT JUST AMAZES ME. >> THOSE ARE JUST --

>> I WOULD ASSUME IT ALL SAY , YES, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. BUT NOT BEING WILLING TO COMPROMISE POSITION.

>> OKAY. SO I GUESS WHAT -- THE SETBACK. SHOWING UP WITH REAL

GOOD FEEDBACK. >>

>> I WILL REACH OUT. I WILL REACH OUT. I HAVE HAD SOME DEALINGS WITH USPS IN A PAST LIFE.

>>

>>

FINE. >> GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> CLAREMONT -- DISCUSS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK RELATING THE

[4D. Discuss and provide feedback on an ordinance regulating the on-street parking distance for vehicles relative to adjacent United States Postal Service (USPS) mailboxes.]

. >> SIMILARLY, THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM I AM GOING TO PUT FORTH. THIS IS TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD LIMIT THE ENTRY PARKING DISTANCE OF VEHICLES RELATIVE TO STREET MAILBOXES. THIS IS TYPICALLY IN FRONT OF RESIDENCES WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO MERELY BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. I DO LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND CONNECT WITH YOUR NUTS FROM MESQUITE THAT WAS PASSED A LONG TIME AGO. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PRINTED ON PARCHMENT PAPER.

>> EXISTS CURRENTLY. ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT OFTEN OUR

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EXIT THEIR VEHICLE, DELIVER MAIL TO MAILBOXES THAT THE ADJACENT ONE ANOTHER , GRAB THE NEXT SET. AND THEN DO THE SAME THING BUT OFTEN, WE END UP WITH GIFT MAIL OCCASIONALLY.

OR LEFT ON THE WINDSHIELD OF A VEHICLE. SEEMS TO BE MORE AND MORE COMMON, PARTICULARLY WITH SOME OF THE SMALLER HOMES.

GRASSES ARE FULL OF STUFF AND THEY DO NOT PARK IN THE PROCESS. I THINK THE ECONOMY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT BUT YOU HAVE KIDS LIVING AT HOME SO THEY ARE LATE IN THEIR 20S AND THEY HAVE MULTIPLE VEHICLES PARKED AT HOME. SO THERE ARE COUPLE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES OUT THERE THAT EXISTED IN MESQUITE THERE IS ALSO ONE IN SAINT MARCUS.

MESQUITE REGULATES THERE IS WITHIN 10 FEET OF A MAILBOX.

YOU MIGHT THINK IN TERMS OF A FULL-SIZED PARKING PICKUP, THAT IS ABOUT THANK YOU FEET LONG. THAT PICKUP HEART CENTER WITH THE MAILBOX IS , THEY WOULD NEED TO NOT BE THERE. ON THE OTHER SIDE. -- OTHER VEHICLES TO DIVE IN AND DIVE OUT. THE VEHICLE THEY DO THAT WITH BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY HUNG UP ON THE DISTANCE BUT I THINK THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH WHAT COUNCIL DISCUSSED AND TOOK A CONSENSUS ON.

ANY HOURS OF THE DAY AND ALSO ANOTHER POINT OF CONSIDERATION AS WELL. DO WE LIMIT IT STRICTLY TO DURING THE DAY WHEN USPS WOULD TYPICALLY BE DELIVERING MAIL FROM 8:00 UNTIL 5:00 P.M.? OR IS THIS AN ALL-DAY THING, RIGHT? MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY? OR IS IT AN ALL-DAY THING ? REALLY TO PRESENT THE CONCEPT OF THE ORDINANCE. IF THERE IS AGREEMENT AMONG THE CULTURE YOU WANT TO DO A NOTICE LIKE THIS ARE PUT FORTH IN ORNAMENTS LIKE THIS FOR APPROVAL, WE NEED TO DECIDE ON THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS THE HOURS OF THE DAY IN WHICH THIS IS IN EFFECT BUT IF YOU HAVE

ANYTHING TO ADD, PLEASE ADD. >>

THE SIDES. >> HOW WOULD YOU IDENTIFY THAT

TO THE CITIZENS? >> YEAH I THINK IT JUST IS AN ORDINANCE BUT IT WOULD BE ENFORCED ON THE -- IF THERE WOULD BE SOME NARROW HOMES WERE IT IS CONSISTENTLY. THAT IS AN OPERATIONAL THING AND I DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK FOR OUR CITY

MANAGER. >> OTHER PARKING LOTS, I MEAN, WE HAVE HAD SIGNS EVERYWHERE. FOR INSTANCE, TO HAVE ASSIGNED

THERE. >> I THINK MANY PEOPLE MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO FIND OUT WE DO NOT. THAT DOES OFTEN,. THESE PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE MAILBOX. ISN'T THERE ANYTHING THE CITY CAN DO? TODAY, NO.

>> I BELIEVE THERE IS A FEDERAL LAW BUT THAT IS NOT ENFORCED BECAUSE THE FEDS ARE NOT -- YOU ARE PROVIDING -- AN I THOUGHT POSTAL POLICE ARE ACTUALLY

>>

SPEAKERS ] >> NUMBER ONE. HOW WILL THIS BE IMPACTED BY THE TRASH CAN PICKUP? BECAUSE ALSO HAVING SOME SPACE FOR THAT. THAT CREATES LESS SPACE. THERE IS SOME STREETS. YET BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. CARS ARE PARKED ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN. YOU KNOW, THERE IS SO MUCH SPACE. SO SOME TREATS -- STREETS, THEY BY DEFAULT --

>> I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A UNIFORM SOLUTION ACROSS THE CITY. IT IS HIGHLY COMPLEX .

>> IT WOULD JUST BE A TOOL THAT CAN BE USED IN SITUATIONS WHERE IT IS ORDINANCES, A LOT OF IT IS COMPLAINT BASED. THE CODE IS NOT GOING TO, I DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK FOR STAFF. I WILL LET THE CITY MANAGER ADDRESS THE STAFF PART. I WILL SPEAK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND BEING CAREFUL. THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE GOING AROUND IF THIS ORDINANCES PASSING. OH, HERE IS WHAT HERE, HERE IS ONE THERE BUT IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A NEIGHBOR SAID, HEY, THEY COULD PARK. AND THEN THAT IS WHEN THE CODE WILL GO AND ADDRESS IT BUT WILL PROBABLY BE AN ACTION OR A ORDINANCE OF WHICH WE HAVE A NUMBER OF -- I KNOW I WILL LET THE ACTUAL OPERATION SPEAK ON THE

OPERATIONS. >> ANOTHER THING. THIS MUST BE

MY WEEK TO BE THE NAYSAYER. >>

>> I AM AGAINST EVERYTHING.

>> YOU KNOW, I READ THIS BREAD I KIND OF GET WHAT , KYLE,

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WHAT I SEE IS, OH, IT SOUNDS TO ME, HONESTLY, A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS OR INDIVIDUALS, WHATEVER. WE HAVE PROBLEMS PARKING ON THE STREET. HOW DO WE ADDRESS IT? OH, LET'S SAY THE MAIL IS HAVING TROUBLE BEING DELIVERED. I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF ROWLETT IS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATION OR EASE OF THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE. AND IF ANYBODY FROM THE USPS, SO THIS IS A PROBLEM? SO I WILL START WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT IS SORT OF THE BASIS OF THIS, RIGHT? I THINK WHAT IT REALLY IS IS AN ON STREET PARKING PROBLEM BUT I THINK THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. WELL UP AND AROUND TOWN. THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY WERE HOODS THAT MAY HAVE THREE OR FOUR WORKING ADULTS THAT -- AT THAT HOUSE BUT THERE ARE SOME OF THESE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS , SMALL FRONT ENTRY DRIVES. IT IS PROBABLY NOT THANK YOU FEET FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. BUT IF YOU HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT HERE AND A MAILBOX HERE.

MY DAY CARE, I AM THROWING SOME THINGS OUT BUT MY BIG FEAR IS JUST THE RULE OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, YOU KNOW? AND THE MAYOR TAUGHT ME THIS A WHILE BACK BUT I KIND OF TRY TO DO THE SAME THING. OH, LET'S MAKE THE ORDINANCE BUT LET'S BE COMPLAINT BASED. YOU KIND OF DO THAT BACK AT ME SINCE MAKING AN ORDINANCE WE ARE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW. THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I AM HEARING. SO I AM NOT SAYING WE DO NOT NEED A PARKING ORDINANCE BUT I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD NOT LOOK FOR WAYS TO DO THIS. I DO NOT LIKE THIS WAY OF DOING IT. I THINK THIS IS NOT, AGAIN, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I THINK FOR CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT IS GOING TO CAUSE AN UNREASONABLE HARDSHIP ON THEM. AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I AM NOT AGAINST PARKING BUT I'VE NEVER REALLY AGAINST ANYTHING, EXCEPT I DON'T LIKE THIS ONE.

>>

>> THIS IS NOT THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE. THAT IS KIND OF WHERE

I AM AT. >>

>> OPERATIONS DOWN THERE. >> WILL, IT IS PUBLIC STREETS.

>> THERE YOU GO.

>> WITH RESPECT TO? IS THIS A PARTY FOR POLICE? I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR DENNY, BUT I WOULD SUSPECT NOT.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE --

>> I WILL SAY, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN SORT OF IN THE COMPLAINT WORLD THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GETTING THEIR MAIL. AND PEOPLE ARE CONSISTENTLY PARKING IN FRONT.

GETTING YOUR MAIL IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING. SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK, THESE ARE LEGAL, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE LEGAL DOCUMENTS . YOU GET BILLED IN ALL SORTS OF THINGS. SO I FEEL LIKE, AND CERTAINLY, IT IS THE COMPLAINT DRIVEN THING. AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED TO BE MADE AWARE.

>> I AM NOT AGAINST IT AT ALL. I'M NOT SAYING, THERE IS THE QUESTION OF HOW THIS WAS ENFORCED. WE ARE NOT GOING TO

GO AROUND. >> NO, NO.

>> I WAS NOT TRYING TO SAY -- I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE A LOT OF TIMES I DO NOT GET

>>

NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE . >> ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION AS FAR AS ISSUES IT'S CAUSING. PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO ACCESS. WE HAVE SENIORS AND THEY MAY BE DISABLED OR JUST GETTING OUT OF THERE MAILBOX AND TO ACCESS IT IF THERE IS A VEHICLE PARKED IN FRONT OF IT. THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>> AND PEOPLE THINK, HEY, CAN YOU NOT PARK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE? I'M NOT GETTING MY MAIL.

>>

>> I THINK THIS IS SORT OF A LITTLE BIT OVER THE TOP. I UNDERSTAND. I GET IT. BUT I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF IT. -- THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO FOLLOW. IT WAS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME, JUST ASK YOUR NEIGHBOR, CAN YOU PLEASE NOT PARK YOUR? I'M NOT

GETTING IT BY MAIL. >> I AGREE. IT IS A PROBLEM.

THE CONCERNS OF BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE THE YOU KNOW? BEING OUT THERE TO

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT IS ONLY ENFORCED WHEN THERE IS A

[01:40:02]

BUT I ALSO HAVE HAD TO ASK SOME PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SOMETHING AND I DID HAVE A PROBLEM.

>> I GET THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT BUT IT IS A MATTER OF -- POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS TO GO KNOCK ON THE DOOR OF SOMEONE. TO SEE WHO THIS VEHICLE BELONGS TO AND TRYING TO CITE THEM.

>> I GOT A STICKER. >>

>> I GOT A STICKER THAT SAID PLEASE YOUR VEHICLE WITHIN 24 HOURS. SO I AM NOT SURE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD THAT WAS

IN OUR POLICE OFFICERS. >> SO I THINK IT IS ] HERE IS THE DEAL. LET'S JUST, WE CAN BRING IT TO COUNCIL.

BECAUSE I AM NONCOMMITTAL. >> I THINK 10 FEET IS A BIT MUCH. I THINK A SHORTER DISTANCE. MAYBE FIVE FEET. FOUR FEET IS TOO SMALL. MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. BETWEEN FIVE OR SIX FEET.

PARK. THERE ARE STREETS WHERE THAT IS THE ONLY PARKING.

>> HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES?

>> THE ONLY TWO I CAN REALLY FIND WAS MESQUITE AND SAN

MARCUS. YEAH, JUST MESQUITE. >> YEAH, IT WAS REALLY -- INAUDIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]

>> MESQUITE WAS 10 FEET AND ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS FOUR FEET.

>> , I WOULD BE FINE WITH THE SHORTER SPACE.

>> YEAH. AND IF SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE MAIL, OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE. THE OPERATIONAL IMPACT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE COMPLAINT BASED. WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE OUT THERE THAT ARE COMPLAINT BASED. WE ARE NOT GOING OUT WITH A NOTE PAD AND RIGHT IT DOWN, OH, YOU KNOW? SO NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE OPERATIONS IMPACT. I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH FIVE FEET.

AND IF IT COMES BEFORE

>> DOES GREAT PROBLEMS. THERE'S SO MUCH PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN. YOU KNOW? ANOTHER NEIGHBOR DOES NOT LIKE THEM AND THEY CALLED THE COMPLAINT ON THEIR NEIGHBOR.

THE NEIGHBOR PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR MAILBOX JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STICK THEM WITH SOMETHING AND CREATES A

PROBLEM. >> CLASSIC. YOU RECOGNIZE THAT

ALL THE TIME. >>

SPEAKERS ] >> IT IS THE NATURE OF

ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES. >> THE POLICE AND --

>> BEING WRITTEN. I DO NOT THINK IT IS ANY

>> HOW THE POLICE KNOW? YOU WANT THEM TO LOOK UP REGISTRANT? NEVER TALKING ABOUT OPERATIONAL -- ANY VIOLATION, HE RAN A PLACE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. WHATEVER. THE STICKER OR WHATEVER.

IF YOU WANT THEM TO START LOOKING AT NOW THAT I'M IN, IS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE TO HAVE YOUR OFFICER DO THAT? IT IS A QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE THE LEGISLATOR.

>>

BOILERPLATE. >>

>> PARKING TICKET.

>> THAT MUCH FOR THE TRASK AND AS A REMINDER.

>> THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISSUES. THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE PARKING IN FRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MAILBOXES. AND SOMEBODY TALK TO ME ABOUT THE FINE FOR THE TRASH CANS. I ACTUALLY CALLED UP THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL -- THAT THEY WERE LEAVING THEIR TRASH CANS OUT BUT I DECIDED I DO NOT THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE FACING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. PUTTING THE TRASH CANS

OUT. >> EVERY OFFICER USES DISCRETION. I CANNOT IMAGINE -- SAYING FOR SOMEONE FIRST

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BUT I KNOW -- >> THEY DO NOT FIND THEM. THEY GIVE THEM A CITATION. SO WE'LL ALWAYS ON THAT, WE DO NOT ISSUE

-- >> SO TO THIS POINT , IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF COUNCILMEMBERS THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF AT LEAST HEARING IT AT A REGULAR SESSION. , AS WOULD BE, ARE WE OKAY WITH THE TIMEFRAME? THIS IS 8:00 UNTIL 5:00 MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AT THAT THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IT COULD BE ENFORCED? AND ARE WE OKAY WITH THE FIVE FOOT DISTANCE?

>> THAT IS FINE WITH ME. >> I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT

IT. >> THAT IS UNDERSTOOD.

>> OKAY. >> AND THE FINE SHOULD REALLY BE UP TO $200. I DON'T THINK IT INVOLVES PUBLIC SAFETY. SO

INAUDIBLE ] >> OKAY. SO IF WE CAN GET THAT REVISED AT A COUNCIL MEETING AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE .

>> WE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION.

[5. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR OCTOBER 15, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.]

>> YEP. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT?

>> NO. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR OCTOBER 15, 2024, COUNCIL MEETING. ANYBODY?

>>

>> I'M ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT OF RIGHT NOW.

>> LET ME SEE. THAT WOULD BE 6 F. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I'M GOING TO PULL -- HERE ALL NIGHT LONG. OKAY, ITEM 6 F. ALL RIGHT. AND IS 7:47 P.M. AND WE

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