[1. CALL TO ORDER ]
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GOOD EVENING IT'S MONDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 2024.
THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A QUORUM. THIS MEETING MAY CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION FOR PURPOSES OF SEEKING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE ON ANY AGENDA ITEM AND THE CITY OF ROWLETT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CALL THE EXECUTIVE TO ORDER PRIOR TO ADJOURNMENT.
FOR IN-PERSON COMMENTS. REGISTRATION FORMS ARE OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND YOU CAN GIVE THEM TO ME.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION TO
[3. CITIZENS INPUT ]
JUST PRIOR TO ITEM 4 C, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO CITIZEN'S INPUT. I HAVE A FEW CARDS HERE.THE FIRST ONE IS FROM RICHARD WHITE.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
>> MY NAME IS RICHARD WHITE. CITY OF ROWLETT.
I WANT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE TRAILS.
I HAVE BEEN AN AVID BICYCLER SINCE I WAS 15 YEARS OLD.
ONE OF MAIN REASONS I MOVED HERE IS BECAUSE OF TE TRAILS.
IT'S A WAY TO DRIVE PEOPLE INTO OUR REGION.
AND PEOPLE DO LOOK FOR THAT. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR OPEN SPACE. ONE THING THAT'S COME UP IS POTENTIAL CONFLICT BETWEEN THIS GOLFERS AND CYCLISTS.
I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH THE PROJECT.
THE PROJECT HAS MERIT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ISSUES THE WAY IT'S BEEN LAID OUT AS IT HAS BEEN SHOWN.
IT'S GOING TO AVOID THE FAIRWAYS AND TEES AND THE TWO GROUPS ARE KEPT REASONABLE DISTANCE APART. ONE EXAMPLE, I LED CUB SCOUTS.
PACK 244 CUB SCOUT. WE HAD TWILIGHT CAMP OVER HARRY MEYERS AND THEY WERE PEOPLE GOING OUT THERE AND PLAYING DISC GOLF WHILE WE WERE OUT THERE. ZERO ISSUES WITH DUCK DISTRICT.
WE WERE INVITED MANY TIMES. AND I BELIEVE TWILIGHT CAMP WAS HELD AT PECAN GROVE. I'M ADVOCATING FOR THIS.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THE CITY OF ROWLETT.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS BRANDON BAILEY, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY
OF RESIDENCE. >> MY NAME IS BRANDON BAILEY.
I AM A RESIDENT OF ROWLETT AND BUSINESS OWNER.
I'M NOT ANTI-BIKING. I DISCUSSED THIS.
IT LOOKS TO ME BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN, THAT WE CAN GET TOGETHER HARMONIOUSLY. MY MAJOR CONCERN ON THE ON-SET OF ALL OF THIS IS SAFETY. WE DON'T WANT DISCS AND MOUNT BIKERS TO INTERSECT. THAT WOULD BE BAD.
SO BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, UNLESS YOU KNOW IT LOOKS AS THOUGH YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE MOUNTAIN BIKERS COMING. IF YOU CAN SEE THE MOUNTAIN BIKERS COMING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO THROW AT THEM.
IT'S NOT A DESCENT THING TO DO. PEOPLE DON'T TYPICALLY DO THAT.
WE LIKE TO HAVE FUN. I LIKE TO RIDE MOUNTAIN BIKES.
IN FACT, MOST DISC GOLFERS ARE MOUNTAIN BIKERS.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE ON THE SAME SPOT.
I THINK SO. I THINK IT -- WE GET ALONG TOGETHER. MY DOG IN THIS FIGHT IS IN THE MINUTES OF LAST MEETING, I DID NOTICED IT WAS MENTIONING MOVING THE COURSE BACK TO SPRING FIELD COURT.
THERE'S NO GOLF OBSTACLES. THE FAIRWAYS HAVE TO BE MOWED INTO THE GROUND AND IT'S A FLOOD PLAIN.
THE CITY HAS PUT THE MONEY INTO IT.
MY OPINION IS LET'S LEAVE IT ALONE AND LET PEOPLE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ALONG TOGETHER WITH IT.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO GO FOR SAFETY CHECKS WITH THESE GENTLEMEN, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THOSE TWO THINGS WON'T INTERSECT. JUST ANECDOTALLY IT'S A WORLDWIDE APP, PEOPLE KEEP SCORE WITH IT AND THERE'S BEEN 6324 ROUNDS AND 1600 UNIQUE PLAYERS. IT'S PROBABLY DOUBLE OR TRIPLE.
RECREATION HOURS, 12087 AND 29 MILLION STEPS.
SO IF YOU THINK IT'S NOT GETTING USED, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
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YOU KNEW IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED, I CAN LEAVE THE STATS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. GO DISC GOLF, GO MOUNTAIN BIKE.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS PAUL RENA. STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY
RESIDENCE. >> MY NAME IS PAUL RENA I LIVE IN ROWLETT, HAS SINCE 2020. I AM A SCIENCE TEACHER FOR 34 YEARS AND I AM A DISC GOLF PLAYER.
I SENT EACH OF YOU A BIG LONG PIECE WHEN I WAS ALL RALED UP.
I APPRECIATE AND I KNOW THESE GUYS.
I WANT TO MAKE ROWLETT BETTER. WE WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER AS A DISC GOLF COMMUNITY. I AGREE THE DILAPTATED, I HAD TO LOOK FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME TO FIND A DISC GOLF COURSE AND I WAS LIKE THAT'S IT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITY IF IT GETS RELOCATED TO THE LAKES OF SPRINGFIELD FOR ANOTHER MONTH AND A HALF.
IT'S JUST UNUSEABLE. I WALKED IN THE RAIN ON PURPOSE WHERE THE FIELDS WERE AND PROPOSED TO THE CITY, LET'S DO A DISC GOLF PARK THERE AND SAT IDLE FOR YEARS AND STARTED TEACHING KIDS HOW TO PLAY DISC GOLF.
TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY CALLED AND SAID WE HEARD YOU'RE GOING TO BE TEACHING KIDS AND SAID YOU NEED A FACILITY.
I AGREED. THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THAT COULD CAME TOGETHER IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
IT WAS VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT AND IT OPENED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF GETTING ON THE COURSE BEFORE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO. PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE 20, 30, 40 MILES TO PLAY A ROUND OF DISC GOLF.
I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT FACILITY.
IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANY OF THE EVENTS WE WANT TO HAVE.
IT WON'T IMPACT SCOUT DAYS OR IF WE HAVE FIREWORKS OUT AND THERE THE BASKETS CAN BE TEMPORARILY REMOVED.
THEY WERE PUT IN THE AREAS SO IT WOULDN'T IMPEDE ANY OF THE PROPERTY. WE HOPE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH DORBA BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF LOSING MONEY.
PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY OUR DISC GOLF COURSE.
>> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IT MARK TASSEK.
>> MARK TASSEK. ROWLETT, TEXAS.
I'M HERE TO VOICE MY APPROVAL FOR ITEM 4 C, YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT YET. THE ORDINANCE THAT WILL ALLOW ROWLETT CITIZENS TO EXEMPT AND RETROACTIVELY BUILD THEIR SHEDS PRIOR TO ORDINANCE 3619. THIS THE SERVE THE BEST ENTER AND GENERAL WELFARE OF ALL SENTS OF ROWLETT AND PRESENT THE UNNECESSARY DISMANTLES OF THE SHEDS THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR ONE DECADE AND IN SOME CASES TWO DECADES.
THIS WILL NOT BE A BURDEN ON CITY STAFF.
IT'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD ACTION THAT MAY RELIEVE CITY STAFF FROM THE UNNECESSARY ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS.
I ASK CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE A
RETROACTIVELY KEEP THEIR SHEDS. >> LAST SPEAKER IS MATT.
>> MATT, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN THE BUILDING. I AM HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IN MY ROLE AS THE PARKS DIRECTOR WITH CITY OF GARLAND.
WE PARTNER WITH DORBA ON ROWLETT CREEK AND THE MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK MORE ON THE PARTNERSHIP WITH DORBA. IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN A MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAIL, YOU WANT TO GO TO DORBA.
THERE'S NOT A BETTER PARTNER AND LAYING OUT TRAILS AND MAINTAINING TRAILS AND BUILDING CONSENSUS AND VOLUNTEERS AND WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC TO SUPPORT TO PROMOTE, AND TO BRING MOUNTAIN BIKES INTO YOUR CITY. I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU, JACK HAS ALL THE NUMBERS IN TERM OF VOLUNTEER HOURS WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS IN GARLAND. WE HARDLY HAVE TO TOUCH THE PARK BECAUSE THESE GUYS DO ALL THE WORK.
THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FROM NOT JUST DALLAS AND ACROSS TEXAS, IT BRINGS THE ECONOMIC DOLLARS INTO THE CITY.
THE TRAIL. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL IN ROWLETT, THIS IS THE GROUP YOU NEED TO PARTNER WITH. THEY ARE THE EXPERT WHEN IS IT
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COMES TO THIS TYPE OF STUFF AND FINDING WAYS TO PARTNER WITH THEM IS THE RIGHT DECISION MOVING FORWARD.THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK YOU HAVE DONE WITH US IN GARLAND AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PARTNER AND I HAVE OTHER PLACES TO BUILD TRAILS. WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING WHERE WE CAN PUT MORE IN. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. AND I DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER, DAVID MCCONNICKO. I HOPE I GOT THAT RIGHT.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF DORBA. I'M ACTUALLY TOOK ON THE SILLY ROLE OF BEING REGIONAL TRAIL DIRECTOR.
I AM OVER A LOT OF DIFFERENT TRAILS AND I HAVEN'T REALLY JUMPED INTO THAT ROLE WHOLEHEARTEDLY, ON THE DISC GOL GOLFERS BEHALF, I HAVE NOTICED THE DILAPIDATED COURSE. I HAVE BEEN A CITIZEN OF ROWLETT FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I WAS HAPPY TO SEE IT'S BEING UTILIZED FOR MORE THAN A BIG DIRT PILE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD BY THE DISC GOLFERS, AND I DO KNOW THE TIMES I HAVE BEEN BACK THERE IT'S BEING USED. MARTIN, I HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH MARTIN AND JACK AND SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS VOLUNTEERING THERE MYSELF TO MAINTAIN AND HELP BUILD.
BUT, I THINK THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR A TRAIL AND AGREE WE COULD HAVE A HARMONY AND BALANCE BETWEEN THE DISC GOLFERS AND MOUNTAIN BIKERS TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY TO ITS POTENTIAL IN A MULTI-USE PARK. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
[4A. Discuss and deliberate on proposed policy to have legal counsel present at meetings of the Planning and Zoning Commission and Board of Adjustment. ]
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT THEN, WE WILL GET TO THE ITEM FOR -- ITEM 4 A DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE ON A POLICY TO HAVE LEGAL COUNCIL PRESENT AT MEETING, NOPE, WE'RE GOING TO SKIP THAT AND DO THAT NEXT.
WE'RE GOING SKIP TO 4 B, ON WHETHER TO ADOPT A MEMORANDOM OF AGREEMENT WITH OFF ROAD BIKE ASSOCIATION WITH DORBA, ON PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND ALTERNATIVE LOCATION.
>> I'M WAITING ON JACOB HILLS, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF DORBA TO BE HERE IN A MOMENT. I GUESS I COULD START.
WELL, >> YOU WANT TO GO WITH 4 A,
WE'RE FINE WITH THAT TOO. >> OKAY.
I DON'T WANT TO MESS Y'ALL UP. >> I WAS TRYING TO BE CONSIDERATE. I TAKE THAT BACK.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE CONSIDERATE. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH 4 A THEN. THIS SHOULDN'T BE LONG ANYWAY.
DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE ON PROPOSED POLICY TO HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL PRESENT AT THE MEETINGS OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
SORRY MR. SECRETARY FOR THAT CONFUSION.
AND I REQUESTED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TO BE VERY CLEAR.
IT WAS NOT INITIATED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IT WAS INITIATED BY ME. BASED ON SOME THINGS THAT I SAW IN SOME OF THE MEETINGS WHEN I WATCHED THE VIDEOS OF SOME OF THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETINGS WHERE I FELT THE BOARDS COULD USE SOME LEGAL GUIDANCE JUST AS WE ON THE COUNCIL SOMETIMES NEED LEGAL GUIDANCE.
JUST AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SOMETIMES SPEAKS UP AND SAYS, OH , WAIT A MINUTE, NO, YOU CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY.
THAT WOULDN'T BE LEGAL OR IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO IT THIS WAY. SO, I DID ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY OR I DID SAY TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, I REALLY WISH THAT YOU COULD BE AT ALL THE MEETINGS AND SHE SAID WELL, I COULD IF YOU WANT THAT, BUT DEFINITELY WAS NOT INITIATED BY HER.
IT WAS INITIATED BY ME. AND THAT'S -- AND THE REASON WHY THE P& Z AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAVE STATUTORY AUTHORITY, THE P&Z, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN CASE
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OF ALL ISSUES TO MAKE FINAL DECISIONS.P&Z WHEN THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL, THEY ARE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY, OR AT LEAST A TAKE THEN VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE THAT HAS COME BEFORE THE BODY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED IT. WHO THAT IS THEIR FOCUS AND WE AS COUNCILMEMBERS OF COURSE WE HAVE 16 MILLION FOCUSES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEREAS P&Z OR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THEY ONLY DEAL WITH THAT PARTICULAR SEGMENT OF DECISIONS.
SO I DEFINITELY TAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS VERY SERIOUSLY.
THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THOSE DECISIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS IMPACT OUR CITIZENS AND BUSINESS DEVELOPERS TO A SIGNIFICANT DEGREE. SOMETIMES COST THEM A GOOD DEAL OF MONEY DEPENDING ON HOW THE DECISION GOES.
I THINK WE OWE IT TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME BEFORE THESE BOARDS WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE WITH THE BEST INFORMATION AVAILABLE INCLUDING LEGAL INFORMATION. THE MAKE UP OF THOSE BODIES AS YOU ALL KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT APPOINT THEM, THEY'RE MADE UP OF CITIZENS WHO ARE INVOLVED AND COMMITTED AND WILLING TO COME AND ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS WHICH IN SOME CASES IS A BIG COMMITMENT ESPECIALLY WITH P&Z.
WE TRY TO GET PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN RELATED FIELDS BUT ALSO WE OFTEN DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF APPLICATIONS. SO WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE THERE AND YOU KNOW, THEY ARE NEW TO ALL OF THIS. THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT FEELS RIGHT BUT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THE LEGAL BACKGROUND AND FEW IN ANY OF THEM ARE ATTORNEYS AND THOSE WHO ARE ATTORNEYS ARE GENERALLY NOT ATTORNEYS WHO SPECIALIZE IN MUNICIPAL LAW. THE CITY STAFF OF COURSE, GUIDES THE BOARDS. WE HAVE STAFF MEMBERS THERE AT THOSE MEETINGS. STAFF LIAISONS BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE STAFF LIAISONS AT THOSE MEETINGS ARE NOT STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE CITY ATTORNEYS OR ATTORNEYS AT ALL.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME STAFF WHO ARE ATTORNEYS AND MAYBE DO ATTEND SOMETIMES, BUT IN THE VIDEOS THAT I HAVE SEEN, BASICALLY WE HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO KNOW THEIR FIELD AND THEIR DEPARTMENT, BUT MAYBE ARE NOT AS QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THE LEGAL QUESTIONS AS THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD BE.
NOW, CURRENTLY THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN BE CONTACTED BY PHONE IF A QUESTION ARISES. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT SOMETIMES ISSUES WITH LEGAL IMPLICATIONS MAY NOT EVEN BE RECOGNIZED AS SUCH BY THE BOARD MEMBERS OR THE STAFF LIAISON AT THE TIME, WHEREAS THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO THAT IS HER OR HIS IN WHATEVER THE CASE MAYBE, AREA OF EXPERTISE, AND THAT PERSON WOULD BE MUCH MORE QUALIFIED TO RECOGNIZE THAT HEY, THERE MAYBE A LEGAL ISSUE WITH THIS THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT HERE.
SO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THAT. ALSO, CITY ATTORNEY MAY NOT ALWAYS BE IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE BY PHONE.
I DON'T THINK WE REQUIRE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY STAND BY OR BE ON CALL DURING THOSE MEETINGS. I KNOW THAT WHEN THERE'S A KNOWN CONTROVERSIAL MATTER BEING CONSIDERED SOMETIMES, THE ATTORNEY IS ASKED TO ATTEND, AND I HAVE SEEN A FEW MEETINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL. WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT LEGAL QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME UP REGARDING ITEMS THAT AREN'T CONTROVERSIAL BUT THERE IS A LEGAL IMPLICATION TO THE DECISION. THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING THE ATTORNEY PRESENT DURING THE MEETINGS WOULD BE THAT THEY COULD IMMEDIATELY ANSWER ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS OR THE STAFF MIGHT HAVE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW.
THAT COULD RECOGNIZE LEGAL ISSUES OF WHICH THE BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF MEMBERS AREN'T AWARE AND THEY ONE IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE. THERE WOULDN'T BE DISRUPTION TO THE MEETING. THERE WOULDN'T BE DELAY TO GET LEGAL OPINION AS YOU WAIT FOR THAT.
THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY OOPS AFTER THE FACT WHEN I SAY TO THE CITY ATTORNEY HEY, I THINK THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT, AND YOU KNOW, THAT MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF ADVANTAGES.
I THINK THAT, I WOULD THINK THAT EVERYONE WOULD AGREE THAT IF COST WERE NOT A FACTOR, I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING THE ATTORNEY THERE.
OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE THE IDEAL SITUATION.
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THERE ALWAYS IS A COST FACTOR INVOLVED.THE COST WOULD BE DUE TO THE INCREASE IN THE ATTORNEY'S AVAILABLE HOURS AND THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL NUMBER THERE, POSSIBLY THE CITY ATTORNEY OR CITY MANAGER CAN GIVE US THAT NUMBER, BUT THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE NUMBER AND DURATION OF MEETINGS THAT THE ATTORNEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE ATTENDING. P&Z REGULARLY MEETS TWICE A MONTH ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CASES AND SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS ARE CANCELED. THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETS ONE A MONTH OR AS NEEDED. OFTEN THEY DON'T MEET EVERY MONTH. THERE MIGHT BE MEETINGS AT WHICH THEY'RE UNDERGOING TRAINING OR THE TYPES OF MEETINGS, I WAS ON P&Z WHEN THERE WASN'T A DECISION TO BE MADE.
IN THOSE CASES THE ATTORNEY CAN BE NOTIFIED NOT TO ATTEND THAT ONE. HERE'S A SUMMARY CITY BOARDS THAT MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS COULD BENEFIT FROM CITY COUNCIL JUST AS CITY COUNCIL DOES. OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE AND LARGER, MANY OF THEM DO HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL AT THE P&Z AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETINGS. I THINK SOME OF THOSE ARE ALLEN AND RICHARDSON AND I KNOW VICTORIA, I THINK YOU HAD A LIST OF OTHERS. I'M GOING TO LET YOU SPEAK IN JUST A MINUTE. LET PRESENCE WOULD ENSURE THERE'S CLARIFICATION OF LAWS, PROTECT THE CITY OF LIABILITY IF DECISIONS WERE MADE NOT IN COMPLIANCE OF THE LAWS, PROTECT THE CITY'S REPUTATION AND PROTECT THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONER FROM INADVERTENT MISTAKES.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THESE BOARDS ARE GOING TO INTENTIONALLY VIOLATE THE LAW, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ATTORNEYS AND DON'T KNOW, MISTAKES COULD HAPPEN THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE RIGHTS OF THOSE PATTERNS AND COULD TAKE THE BURDEN OFF THE NON-LEGAL STAFF MEMBERS. THEY WON'T BE EXPECTED TO GIVE QUASI-LEGAL OPINIONS TO THE BOARD MEMBERS WHEN THEY'RE ASKED. AND I THINK OVERALL, IT WOULD INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE AGAIN, HAVING TO STOP THE MEETING OR HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL THE LATER DATE TO GET A LEGAL OPINION ON SOMETHING IS NOT A VERY EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THINGS. SO THAT'S MY SUMMARY AND COUNCIL CAN TALK ABOUT IT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO GIVE HER OPINION ON WHETHER LEGAL OPINION MIGHT BE
NEEDED DURING THESE MEETINGS. >> YEAH, WHEN DEPUTY MAYOR PRO-TEM, SHINDER ASKED ME ABOUT IT.
CITIES THE SIZE OF ROWLETT HAVE ATTORNEYS AT P&Z AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THAT'S NOT TO SAY ALL.
THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE AND ALSO A COST.
I TRIED TO FIGURE OUT A BALLPARK.
OBVIOUSLY I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW MANY HOURS WOULD BE SPENT. I LOOKED AT TWO P&Z AND AVERAGING FOUR HOURS AND SIX BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETINGS, THAT WOULD BRING YOU $20,000 TO FIVE THOUSAND MORE DOLLARS MORE OR LESS. THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD REASONABLY
EXPECT. >> HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE?
$200 AN HOUR. >> YOU HAVE TO ALSO ACCOUNT FOR TRAVEL TIME. SO.
>> SO, DO WE HAVE -- I'M SORRY. >> DO WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF HOW MANY BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETINGS WE HAVE.
WOULD SIX A YEAR -- >> I THINK THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF ESTIMATE ARE FAIR. ABSOLUTELY.
>> THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED ALSO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF THERE IS INTEREST, MAYBE YOU TRY IT FOR A PERIOD AND THEN HEAR FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER THEY BELIEVE IT'S WORTHWHILE. AND, I CAN GIVE FEEDBACK TOO.
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I DON'T WANT THEM TO JUST SIT THERE AND I'M NOT NEEDED.AND I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO TELL YOU GUYS THAT IF THAT'S WHAT
TURNS OUT TO BE THE CASE. >> SO, GO AHEAD, NICK.
>> I HAD TWO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY, YOU ANSWERED ONE QUESTION WITH THE BALLPARK ESTIMATE.
MY OTHER QUESTION, ARE WE AWARE OF ANY DECISION RENDERED IN THE PAST THAT RAN AFOUL LEGALLY? IS THERE ANY PRECEDENT?
>> WELL, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT IN THE MEETING.
THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS MADE THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN
BEST NOT MADE. >> I THINK THEY MAY HAVE MISSED A PUBLIC HEARING THAT NECESSITATED A RE-NOTICING OF A
>> YEAH, I WON'T SPEAK TO -- YES.
>> I WASN'T LOOKING FOR SPECIFICS BUT IF THERE WAS A
PRECEDENCE. >> THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS
BROADLY. >> DO YOU HAVE EXAMPLES OF CITIES P&Z OR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DECISION WERE SUED AND HAD MONETARY DAMAGES? ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OUTSIDE
ROWLETT? >> IN THE P&Z, IT'S JUST A
WE ARE ALWAYS A SAFETY NET. BUT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IN PARTICULAR, THEIR DECISION IS FINAL, SO HAVE THERE BYE-BYE EXAMPLES WHERE YOU HAVE SEEN THAT?
>> PEOPLE APPEAL -- THAT'S THE ONLY APPEAL THERE IS FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS DISTRICT COURT.
THAT HAPPENS PRETTY FREQUENTLY AND WITH ANY PROCEEDING, WHOEVER IS MAKING THAT APPEAL, IT'S CALLED AN OBJECTION.
THEY WILL OBJECT TO EVERY SINGLE THING THEY CAN FIND THAT MAY GIVE THEM AND RELIEF. AND IT'S USUALLY NOT SO MUCH MONETARY RELIEF AS IT IS JUST OVER TURNING THE BOARD OF
ADJUSTMENT'S DECISION. >> I SEE.
>> WHILE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BOTH, IF COST IS A BIG CONCERN, AT LEAST MAYBE WE COULD DO IT AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT.
>> THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. WE ARE THE FINAL ARBITRATOR OF DECISIONS THAT COME OUT OF P&Z. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE MAYBE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE TO JUST KIND OF RESTRICT IT TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR NOW.
>> SO, I WANT TO CONFIRM BECAUSE YOU SAID THE RATE THAT NICHOLS JACKSON CHARGES IS $200. YOU SENT A LETTER?
>> $220. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO SHORT
CHANGE MY FIRM. >> IT'S ON THE RECORD.
ONCE IT'S ON THE VIDEO, I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING.
>> WHO IS CURRENTLY SERVING AS OUR STAFF LIAISON AT BOTH OF THESE MEETINGS AT PLANNING AND ZONING?
CORY? >> COREY AT BOTH? I'M WONDERING, VICTORIA IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE.
LET'S JUST TALK, I ā LIKETHE IDEA OF MAYBE JUST BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? WHAT IS YOUR AVAILABILITY?
>> I WOULD PREFER TO SEND SOMEBODY ELSE FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE IT'S A VARIANCE FROM WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS DECIDED IN THE ORDINANCES. AND IF THERE IS ANY, SOMETIMES WE DO GET AN APPEAL THAT ALSO BRINGS IN THE CITY, SO, THAT WOULD BE ME. I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE FROM THE FIRM DO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, I'M SURE WE COULD
FIND COVERAGE FOR THAT. >> SO AN INDEPENDENT PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S GOOD.
WHO WOULD DETERMINE THE THRESHOLD FOR REQUIRING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ATTEND THE MEETING? I ASSUME IF IT'S BOARD OF
>> UNDER THIS PROPOSAL. SO YOU MENTIONED.
>> I'M PROPOSING TO DO ATTORNEY BE AT ALL.
>> YOU SAID THERE'S MEETINGS THERE ISN'T SUBSTANCE.
>> SOMETIMES THERE WAS JUST INFORMATIONAL.
AND THAT'S P&Z. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WOULD ALWAYS
BE MEETING TO MAKE A DECISION. >> INSTEAD CASE OF P&Z, WHO MAKES THE DETERMINATION SOMETHING RISES TO THE
THRESHOLD? >> I ASSUME THE STAFF LIAISON.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT IS THE CASE NOW.
SO -- >> YEAH, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT DEFAULT. AND THEN I THINK MY LAST
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QUESTION, I KIND -- >> I WOULD OFFER, I WOULD RATHER THAT NOT BE THE CASE IF YOU'RE REQUIRING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BE PRESENT. I WILL TELL YOU WHY.
YOU'RE PLACING ON THE STAFF TO DETERMINE WHAT IS CONTROVERSIAL.
WE DO NOW. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ATTORNEY IS THERE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY ATTEND P&Z, YOU HAVE THEM ATTEND P&ZS AT YOUR DISCRETION. I RATHER WE DON'T HAVE A DUAL SYSTEM, SOMETIMES THEY DO, AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
I WOULD JUST OFFER, IF YOU GO TO THE NEW SYSTEM, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, LET IT BE DRIVEN BY YOUR DECISION.
>> WHAT I WAS THINKING, THIS WAS NOT CONTROVERSIAL.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ACTUAL DECISION OR
RECOMMENDATION MADE. >> AND THEY WERE MANY OF THOSE.
>> THERE MAYBE NOW. BACK WHEN I WAS ON P&Z, WE HAD VERY FEW BUT ONCE OR TWICE WE HAD A MEETING WHERE IT WASN'T.
>> AND THEN, SO I HAVE A FRIEND WHO SERVES ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS.
IT'S THEIR EQUIVALENT OF OUR P&Z.
AND I ASKED HIM SPECIFICALLY HOW OFTEN IS THERE CITY ATTORNEY ASKED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION, EITHER FOR THE LEGAL DECISION OR PARLIAMENTARY DECISION AND HE SAID NOT MANY.
>> THESE CITIES, ALLEN, RICHARDSON AND GARLAND, HOW MANY OF THOSE CITIES HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL ON STAFF VERSUS OUTSIDE?
>> I DIDN'T -- >> I THINK THAT PLAYS INTO THE DECISION. THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE LIKELY SALARY AND BEING PAID ANOTHER WAY SO TO SPEAK.
WHEREAS THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL. >> ALLEN AND RICHARDSON ARE US.
>> THAT'S HELPFUL. DESOTO THE SAME WAY.
>> OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
GOOD PRESENTATION BY THE WAY. >> I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION, AND THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO DO THIS ROUGHLY, BALLPARK, MY QUESTION IS HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST NOT TO DO IT? IF THERE'S NO MONETARY DAMAGES FOR BOARD ADJUSTMENT OBJECTIONS, IT GOES TO DISTRICT COURT, HOW MANY HOURS TYPICALLY WOULD ONE OF THOSE CASES TAKE, YOU OR AN ATTORNEY FOR BILLABLE HOURS THAT WOULD COST THE ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO PAY? IS THAT A 10-HOUR THING? I'M NOT A LAWYER, IS THAT 100 HOURS?
>> IT JUST DEPEND SAYS ON HOW COMPLEX THE ISSUE IS, AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT CAN BE RESOLVED QUICKLY IN 10 HOURS, IT CAN BE A COUPLE YEARS WHERE WE ARE SPORADICALLY PUTTING IN A LOT OF EFFORT. NOT 30 HOURS EVERY MONTH.
>> THAT WOULD BE TWO ATTORNEYS IN THOSE CASES WHERE THE CITY AND THE BOARD -- BUT IF FAIRNESS, I HAVE TO SAY, JUST THE FACT YOU MIGHT HAVE A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ATTORNEY THERE, IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO MEAN THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO END UP
UNDERSTOOD. >> WHERE I FALL ON THIS, THE COST, $20,000 A YEAR ROUGHLY IS AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYER. WHAT WOULD THE COST BE IF WE HAVE TO GO AND WERE SUED AND THE ATTORNEY COULDN'T NIP THAT IN
THE BUD? >> IF IT'S JUST BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, THAT 20 K IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE 20 K.
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. >> IT'S GOING TO BE WHATEVER THE HOURS SIX TIMES JURY ROOM IT WOULD BE LESS THAN HALF.
>> YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS WITH US DECIDING THE STUFF THAT COMES OUT OF P&Z, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE WHEN WE'RE MAKING A DECISION. IF THERE'S A HEY, YOU NEED TO
STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS. >> YEAH.
AFTER HAVING LISTENED TO EVERYTHING, YEAH, I THINK HAVING AN ATTORNEY FOR THE B OF A, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
IT'S JUST ALMOST FOR A CITY THIS SIZE, IT'S ALMOST JUST KIND OF A BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE. YOU KNOW IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD, SOLID YOU KNOW, JUST PROCEDURAL --
>> GOOD INVESTMENT. >> FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, I DON'T THINK THE COST PARTICULARLY WHEN WE MOVE IT
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DOWN TO BOARD ADJUSTMENTS, I DON'T THINK THE COST IS ONEROUS.>> I LOOKED AT THE LIST OF AGENDAS AND HAD FIVE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETINGS. SOME HAVE BEEN VERY EFFICIENT.
EVEN IF EACH WAS TWO HOURS, THAT'S $200 A YEAR.
DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT BIG OF AN INVESTMENT FOR THE POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS OF DEFENDING SOMETHING LATER.
>> HAS EVERYBODY SPOKEN? >> I ACTUALLY WOULD BE OKAY WITH HAVING LEGAL COUNSEL AT P&Z AS WELL.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S A COST, BUT, IT ALSO SEEMS TO ME HAVING THINGS VETTED ON THE FRONT END IS IMPORTANT.
BUT IF IT'S THE WILL OF EVERYBODY ELSE, I'M HAPPY TO GO
I THINK BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THERE'S LEGAL EXPOSURE THERE.
AS THEIR FINAL DECISION MAKER, PLANNING AND ZONING, THERE'S LIMITED LEGAL EXPOSURE. WITH THAT, I SUPPORT HAVING AN ATTORNEY PRESENT AT ALL BOA AND NOT SUPPORT HAVING FOR ALL P&Z
MEETINGS. >> SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A
[4B. Discuss and receive feedback on whether to pursue a Memorandum of Agreement with the Dallas Off-Road Bicycle Association (DORBA) to utilize city-owned property for construction and ongoing maintenance of a bicycle trail generally located between Main Street and Miller Heights, east of President George Bush Turnpike, and consideration of alternate locations for the disc golf course. ]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO, ARE Y'ALL READY NOW? WE'RE GOING BACK TO ITEM 4 B, THE DISCUSSION ON M.O.U. WITH DORBA USING CITY-OWNED PROPERTY, AND DISCUSSING MAINTENANCE AND
THE DISC GOLF COURSE. >> WHICH WAS ALSO MY ITEM AND I
>> I INVITED DORBA HERE TO PRESENT.
>> MAYOR, MY NAME IS MARTIN MALLOY, 6121 NEW FOREST IN EAST ROWLETT. THIS IS JACOB NILES, THE PRESIDENT OF DORBA, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM HERE AND EVEN BETTER TO HAVE MAGGIE IN THE HOUSE BACK HERE.
>> TO VISIT WITH YOU. TODAY I'M GOING TO JUST SAY I APPRECIATE GETTING PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS, AND TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THE PROPOSAL FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL AT PECAN GROVE. I APPRECIATE PAUL AND BRANDON BEING HERE AND WE WANTED TO ECHO, WE SEE NO CONFLICT BETWEEN THE MOUNTAIN BIKING AND THE DISC GOLF AND THINK THEY CAN COEXIST VERY WELL AND I WILL TALK THROUGH THAT.
>> LET ME SAY I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA NOT BECAUSE I WANTED TO MOVE THE DISC GOLF COURSE BUT BECAUSE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THAT LAST MEETING, I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO DO.
OUR PRESENTATION, I KNOW EVERYBODY IS ANXIOUS FOR THE
COWBOYS TONIGHT. >> ANXIOUS ISN'T THE RIGHT
WORD. >> WE WILL, JACOB WILL TALK ABOUT DORBA. I WILL TALK ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE. TALK TO THE BENEFITS AND ISSUES AND CONCERNS INCLUDE DISC GOLF. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO ASK JACOB TO TAKE IT AND TAKE ABOUT DORBA.
>> HEY, EVERYBODY, SO MY NAME IS JACOB MILES.
I'M IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING SO SORRY I'M A LITTLE LATE MOVING HOUSES FROM NORTH RICHLAND HILLS TO KELLER, I'M NOT A ROWLETT RESIDENT. I HAVE BEEN A TEXAS RESIDENT FOR THREE YEARS. BORN IN ARKANSAS.
I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU WHAT DORBA IS AND WHAT WE'RE NOT.
WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1988, 1989, GOING BACK THAT FAR WE BLAZED OUR FIRST TRAILS IN 1989. THERE'S A GENERAL CONVERSATION GOING ON ABOUT WHAT YEAR THAT IS.
WE WILL STICK WITH 1989 WHEN WE STARTED BUILDING AWESOME MULTI-USE TRAILS. WE WORK WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS NORTH TEXAS, NOT JUST IN DALLAS, WE STARTED IN DALLAS AREA. WE'RE FROM TEXAS PARKS AND U.S.
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ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND WE'RE SOMEONE THAT DEALS WITH M.O.U. AND THOSE LAND MANAGER CONVERSATIONS.THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARTIES INVOLVED.
REALLY EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ROWLETT TO THE LISTING. WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEER.
AND WE JUST LAUNCHED OUR 20, FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.
THAT WE ARE HOPING TO SHIFT THAT AND BRING ON AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS TO PROVIDE STABILITY AND DIRECTION TO THE ORGANIZATION MOVING FORWARD.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO OUR JANUARY MEETING, WHERE WE WILL BE PRESENTING ON THAT AND IT WILL BE OPEN COMMENT PERIOD.
WE WILL BE PRESENTING ON THAT. WE HAVE OVER 200 MILES OF MULTI-USE TRAIL. ALL TRAILS ARE MULTI-USE.
HIKERS, MOUNTAIN BIKERS, DOG WALKERS, BIRD WATCHERS AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. ALL OF OUR TRAILS ARE MULTI-USE AND FOR EVERYBODY. THOSE ARE MAINTAINED BY OUR VOLUNTEERS. WE HAVE ABOUT, WE AVERAGE AROUND BETWEEN 12.5 AND 13,000 VOLUNTEER HOURS MAINTAINING THE TRAILS AND ALL SUPPORTED BY OUR 1900 DUES PLAYING MEMBERS.
THAT'S HOW WE FUND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE TRAILS.
OUR PROBLEMS GET EXCLUSIVE, SOMETIMES FREE ACCESS TO ALL OF OUR EDUCATIONAL BENEFITS THAT WE PUT ON.
HOW TO TAKE CARE OF TRAILS. HOW TO BE A GOOD TRAIL USER.
HOW TO MOUNTAIN BIKE SAFELY. AND THAT'S LIKE, BUT OUR MEMBERS REALLY CARE ABOUT TAKING CARE OF MEMBERS.
BUT IT'S 2000 PEOPLE PLAYING FOR ALL OF THE 200 MILES OF TRAIL IN NORTH TEXAS. IT'S PRETTY CRAZY.
WE PUT ON A LOT OF WEEKLY RIDES. WE JUST WORKED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THE BIG CEDAR RIDGE. AS THEY BUILD OUT A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT AWESOME PROPERTY THERE. AND THEN WE ARE, WE DID WORK WITH THE DULUTH DALLAS AS THEY BIG THAT BIG AWESOME 50-MILE LOOP. WE HAVE A LARGE GAP IN THE TYPES OF TRAILS IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA BETWEEN BEGINNER, IMMEDIATE AND ADVANCED TRAILS. HIKE, BIKE, JUST MULTI-USE, MULTISURFACE TRAILS. WE WORKED WITH THE LOOP TO BRING A SMALL SUBSECTION SO PEOPLE CAN LEARN AND PROGRESS.
WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH OUR DORBA JUNIORS PROGRAM, WITH NICA AND BRINGING IN KIDS INTO THE MOUNTAIN BIKING, HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THE TRAIL SYSTEMS. SO REALLY HAVING ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TRAIL SYSTEMS THERE REALLY MAKE IT AWESOME.
I HAVE TRAVELLED THE COUNTRY AND YOU DON'T SEE THIS.
YOU LOOK AT VERMONT MOUNTAIN BIKING ASSOCIATION, COLORADO BIKING ASSOCIATION, ALL OF THEIR TRAILS ARE MOSTLY BIKING TRAILS.
MOST ARE DORBA TRAILS. THIS IS OFF OUR DORBA APP.
WE WORK TO MAINTAIN OPEN, CLOSED AND HAZARDOUS STATUSES FOR HIKERS AND BIKERS. IT'S A FREE APP.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A DORBA MEMBER TO USE IT.
YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THE STATUS. IT TAKES YOU DIRECTLY TO TRAIL FORKS WHICH IS A GIS MAPPING APP.
GIVES YOU INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRAIL SYSTEM AS WELL AS WHAT IS THE TRAIL GOING TO BE LIKE, WHO CAN YOU CONTACT IF YOU NOTICE ANY ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF YOU WENT ONLINE, IT WOULD BE
ALL RED BECAUSE OF THE RAIN. >> WE HAVE A CLAY-BASED SOIL.
WE OPEN AND CLOSE IN COORDINATION WITH OUR LAND MANAGERS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE IN THAT ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT. ANYBODY CAN GO ON THERE.
WE HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE TO ANNOUNCE STATUSES.
THIS IS ON OUR WEBSITE. AT ANY ONE TIME, WE AVERAGE ABOUT 22 TRAILS UNDER OFFICIAL M.O.U. WITH DORBA AT ONE TIME.
WE WORK WITH A LOT OF OTHER TRAIL ALLIANCES SO THERE'S ONE CENTRALIZED LOCATION SO THAT ALL TRAIL USERS CAN HAVE ONE SITE TO GO ON THERE. SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE OFF, OUR VOLUNTEERS WEREN'T ABLE TO GET OUT THERE IN FORT WORTH, BUT,
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THAT'S PRETTY MUCH UPDATED AND CHECKED DAILY.AND ALL OF OUR TRAILS ARE WE MAINTAIN THEM.
WE LOVE TO WORK WITH PARTNERSHIPS.
ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS USUALLY HAS A LOT OF NATURAL MATERIALS FOR THEIR TRAIL SYSTEMS. RATHER THAN BRINGING IN AND PURCHASING OUTSIDE MATERIAL, THEY CAN PROVIDE THE MATERIALS.
CRUSHED GRANITE, LOCAL SOILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THE MATERIALS AND THE EQUIPMENT, THAT IT IS WHAT THOSE DUES ARE GOING TO FROM OUR MEMBERSHIP BASE.
IT'S PURCHASING THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT WHETHER THAT'S A WEED EATER, A SMALL CHAIN SAW, WHETHER A SHOVEL.
WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND IT ALSO YOU KNOW GETS SOME FOOD AND WATER FOR OUR VOLUNTEERS.
WE WILL ALSO TAKE CARE OF THE SIGNAGE, TRAIL HEAD FEATURES AND COORDINATION WITH THE LAND MANAGERS, MAKING SURE IT'S WHATEVER STANDARD WE AGREE ON. WE COVER LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR THE WORK ON THE TRAIL SYSTEMS. DON'T GET ME STARTED WITH THE TIME WE HAVE SPENT WITH LAWYERS AND LEGAL AGENCIES.
OUR BIGGEST LINE ITEM IS INSURANCE.
EVERYTHING AND I ALWAYS WANT TO STRESS, WE DON'T HAVE MOUNTAIN BIKE-SPECIFIC TRAILS. WE WORK HARD SO THEY'RE SET UP FOR EVERYBODY TO USE AND IN THE TRAIL SYSTEMS THAT ARE HIGHER PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, WE MAKE SURE WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON HOW THOSE TRAILS ARE LINED UP AND LAID OUT AND INCREASING SIGNAGE.
IF THERE'S A COUPLE EXTRA LOOPS TO BYPASS.
WE WILL HAVE BIKERS GO ONE WAY AND CYCLISTS GOING A DIFFERENT WAY. WE WORK WITH THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TO BRING VOLUNTEERS AND WORK WITH LAND MANAGERS TO PROVIDE A MAINTENANCE PLAN. THEY PROVIDE THE BODIES.
THAT'S ONE OF BENEFITS AND I DO WANT TO STRESS THAT THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY, NOT JUST FOR OUR MEMBERS.
WE'RE A SMALL BUT MIGHTY GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT LOVE TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE LAND ACCESS AND TRAIL ASSESS ACROSS THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. ALL OF OUR TRAILS, WE DON'T REALLY EXCEPT FOR THE NEW CREEK SIDE BUILD, THAT WAS CONTRACTED OUT AND THEY BROUGHT MACHINERY ON THAT SPECIFIC ONE.
WE'RE JUST BRINGING IN THE NEW HARD SCAPE.
THOSE THAT LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HARDSCAPE AND BRINGING IN TREES, THIS IS WHAT A DORBA TRAIL IS. WE WORK AROUND THE TREES.
WE DON'T LIKE TO CHANGE TO DO ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE WORKING IN. WE WANT IT TO BE, WE WANT THE TRAILS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE NATURAL AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. NOT COME IN AND CUT NEW ONES DOWN. AND SO, THAT'S WHAT A DORBA TRAIL IS. WE CUT THROUGH WITH HAND TOOLS AND WIND OUR WAY THROUGH THE TREES RATHER THAN CUTTING THEM DOWN. WE HAVE A THREE-INCH CALIPER MAX IN THE MEMORANDUM AGREEMENT ARE ROWLETT.
THAT'S THE LARGEST TREE WE WOULD CUT.
>> SOME OF OUR LAND AREAS LET US CUT DOWN TREES.
WE MAKE SURE IT REALLY NEEDS TO COME DOWN.
EACH LAND MANAGER SETS DIFFERENT STANDARDOS WHAT TREES ARE.
IN PLANO, WE DON'T CUT AT ARBOR HILLS TRAIL.
THEY DON'T WANT US CUTTING ANY TREE DOWN AND EVEN THEIR DAMAGED. WE WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND THEY CUT DOWN THE TREES. TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, WE SEND OUR VOLUNTEERS THROUGH THEIR TRAINING PROGRAM AND WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. IT'S AN A LA CARTE SELECTION.
>> THIS IS THE PECAN GROVE SITE.
THIS IS THE TELEPHONE MAP OF IT. IT'S VERY WELL-DRAINED UPLANDS.
THERE'S ABOUT OF 40 FEET FALL BETWEEN THE WET ZONE AND THAT CROWNED AREA THERE DOWN TO THE LAKE.
THERE'S A CREEK IN THE SOUTH >> HOW DID YOU GET IT? IN 1993, GARLAND ISD BOUGHT THE ENTIRE BLOCK FROM RESOLUTION TRUST CORPORATION. THAT WAS A HOLDING COMPANY PUT IN PLACE BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE SAVINGS AND LOAN DEBACLE. THEY WERE TAKING SEIZED PROPERTY AND SELLING IT OFF. I ASSUME GARLAND GOT A GOOD DEAL BUYING THIS LAND AND THAT'S HOW IT CAME ABOUT.
TWO YEARS LATER SOLD TO THE CITY OF ROWLETT, THE LAND FOR THE REC CENTER. THIS 27 ACRES TOTAL AND TWO YEARS AFTER THAT, AND 27 YEARS AGO, THEY CREATED A KIND OF
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ARTIFICIAL LINE HERE. I CAN'T PROJECT ON THE SCREEN.WHERE THE CREEK IS, THEY APPROXIMATED A PROPERTY LINE ALONG THE CREEK AND THE POWER EASEMENT AND CARVED OUT THAT LAND AND SOLD TO THE 88 ACRES TO ROWLETT.
MOST HAS SAT THERE SINCE THEN. IN 2006, YOU PLATTED IN TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY FROM THAT INTO THE PARK ITSELF TO DO THE KIDS KINGDOM AND THE WET. THIS IS HOW IT SITS TODAY.
63 ACRES ON THE HIGH SCHOOL. ABOUT 43 ACRES OF PARKS.
71 IN THE SOUTH AND THOSE TWO LEASE TRACKS FROM DALLAS, PROBABLY IN THE 25 TO 30-ACRE RANGE.
TAKING THE 71 AND THE PART OF 40, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 120, 130 ACRES IN PLAY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD INTO WITH THIS TRAIL.
AGAIN, VERY WELL DRAINED. INFLUENCE ON IT.
THERE'S A 100 GAS FOOT EASEMENT. A 20 FOOT THAT RUNS ON THE ORANGE LINE. THERE'S AN OVERHEAD ELECTRIC DOWN THE PARKING AND THE WET ZONE AND REC CENTER.
RUNS TO THE SUBSTATION UP NEAR THE CHURCH TO THE NORTH.
AND THERE'S ALSO A FEMA FLOOD PLAIN.
THIS IS TRIBUTARY TWO OF MUDDY CREEK.
OFF TO THE RIGHT AND INUNDATED BY LAKE RAY HUBBARD.
IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL BY THE WAY. THE DISK GOLF COURSE WAS ADDED IN THE SPRING OF LAST YEAR I THINK.
IT WAS ACTIVE IN THAT AREA THERE.
ZONING, IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL RETAIL HIGHWAY ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF PGBT AND THE PURPLE KIND OF AREA IS INSTITUTIONAL URBAN.
PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PARKS, REC CENTERS, HOSPITALS AND POSSIBLY EVEN DAY CARES AND ASSISTED LIVING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
VERY LARGE SINGLE-FAMILY ALL ALONG THE SOUTH.
ISSUES WITH THE PURPLE PARTICULARLY THERE'S NO DIRECT ACCESS FROM PGBT, THE RAMP IS TOO CLOSE AND THEY WILL NOT LET YOU TURN ON MILLER HEIGHTS. YOU HAVE TO GO UP TO THE DRIVEWAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HIGHWAY TRACT, HIGHWAY RETAIL TRACT TO ACTUALLY GET INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND ALSO THE ORDINANCES, YOUR CUL-DE-SACS CAN BE NO LONGER THAN 900 FEET, THIS IS 2600 FEET BECAUSE OF MILLER HEIGHTS DRIVE.
YOU COULD PUT A FIRE LANE THROUGH THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER, IT'S UNLIKELY A BIG COMMERCIAL USE THAT WOULD GO IN THIS AREA BACK HERE. WE'RE PROPOSING A FIVE-LOOP TRAIL SYSTEM. WE WILL ARRANGE INTO A STACKED LOOP WHICH MEANS YOU CAN GO OUT ANY PARTICULAR DAY AND TWO LOOP, TWO, THREE, FOUR, ONE AND FIVE. PICK AND CHOOSE AND DO ALL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. WE WOULD FLOW COUNTERCLOCKWISE FOR BIKES AND CLOCKWISE FOR THE HIKERS.
WE DO THAT SO THE PARTIES FACE EACH OTHER.
THEY'RE NOT BOTH GOING TO BE ON THEIR PHONES AT THE SAME TIME AND PREVENTS A BIKER COME COMING UP ON A HIKER AND SCARING THEM AT LAST SECOND AND HAVE THEM JUMP THE WRONG WAY.
WE ARRANGED THE FLOW LIKE THAT AND WILL SIGN IT LIKE THIS.
THIS IS THE ACTUAL LAYOUT WE'RE PROPOSING.
IT'S SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF SEVEN, EIGHT MILES.
WE RANK OUT OUR TRAILS LIKE A SKI SLOPE.
GREEN, BLUE AND BLACK. PROBABLY BE GREEN AND BLUE ON ALL THESE. MAYBE BLACK FEATURES HERE AND THERE. WE ALLOW BYPASSES ON THAT.
ON THE MOUNDS OF DIRT CIRCLED IN GREEN OFF LOOP TWO, WOULD LIKE TO PUT A SKILLS AREA AND DO SOMETHING INTERESTING FOR THE
KIDS AND OTHERS TO LEARN SKILLS. >> THE SKILLS AREAS ARE REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING INTO THE NORTH TEXAS AREAS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR KIDS AND PEOPLE NEW TO THE SPORT TO PRACTICE IN A SAFE AREA.
AND SO I WANT ANY TIME WE CAN INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS LIKE TO AT LEAST PROPOSE IT, BECAUSE IT'S
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SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS NEEDED TO MAKE YOU KNOW THE SPORT SAFEAND MORE APPROACHABLE. >> ALSO, THIS THING WOULD GIVE YOU ACCESS TO THE LAKE FRONTAGE IN SEVERAL PLACES.
BOTH WITH THE SOCCER FIELD IS AND ON THIS OTHER TRACT THAT'S JUST FORESTED. NOBODY GOES DOWN THERE.
WE WOULD JUST LIKE WE DID AT RCP, PROVIDE SUGGESTED WALKING PATHS AND SO WE COULD PROVIDE TO PEOPLE MAPS OF ONE TO TWO MILE RANGE WALKS THAT YOU COULD TAKE ON ANY PARTICULAR DAY.
YOU COULD PUT THOSE ON THE REC CENTER AND LET PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. WE THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASTER PLAN, THE 2018 PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWS UP IN THE NORTH. THE RED LINE IS AN EXTENSION OF BIKE TRAIL ON THE STREET. ON MAIN STREET, WE WOULD CONNECT TO THAT. THEY ALSO SHOW THE BIKE TRADE ON THE RAILROAD EMBANKMENT. I WALKED THAT.
THERE'S ENOUGH EMBANKMENT TO PUT THE TRAIL.
THERE'S A RAILS TO TRAIL MOVEMENT IN THE COUNTRY THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY WORK THROUGH THAT.
WE THINK WE'RE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASTER PLANS SITTING UP THERE RIGHT NOW. WE WILL BUILD BRIDGES IN THE A AND B WOULD CROSS THE CREEK. C AND D CROSS THE CREEK THAT COMES IN FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL. E AND F ON A CREEK THAT COMES DOWN OUT OF THE REC CENTER AND GOES UNDER A CULVERT UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. WE BUILD THEM 48 INCHES WIDE.
WE BUILD THING STRONG ENOUGH TO CARRY A MOWER.
THIS DESIGN WITH THE SIX, 2 BY 10 COULD CARRY PEOPLE SHOULDER TO SHOULDER. 6400 POUNDS.
WE WOULD BUILD LIGHTER BRIDGES, I CALLED THIS BOARD WALKS AND JUST TO GET OUT OF WET AREAS. YOU KNOW LIKE 30 INCHES WIDE.
NOT NEARLY AS STRONG BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FAR OFF THE GROUND.
WE DON'T EXPECT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THEM AT ONE TIME ANYWAY.
WE PROVIDE THAT AS WE DO THIS. WE WILL PROVIDE SIGNAGE, THIS IS ERWIN PARK IN MCKINNEY. THEY ARE BUILT WITH HDP SIGNS AND USE CMC TO CARVE OUT THE LETTERING IN THAT.
THEY SHOW TO BE PRETTY RESISTANT TO WEATHER.
ON THE TOP RIGHT, THERE'S A CARSONITE BLADE SIGNS.
THOSE ARE EXAMPLES FROM RCP. YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT, THE BLACK MOST DIFFICULT, THE BLUE IN THE MIDDLE.
THE RATING, DIRECTION, THE SHOWING THE HIKERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THEIR SIDE. THE BIKERS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE DIRECTION OF THE MIDDLE ONES.
WE USE THOSE THROUGHOUT THE PARK.
>> I DO WANT TO NOTE ON ONE OF PICTURES THERE, ON ALL OF OUR NEW TRAILS, WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM ATTACHING SIGNAGE TO TREES.
AS WE UPDATE TREES, WE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM ATTACHING TO TREES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. WANT TO MAKE A NOTE ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S FEATURED ON THAT. WE DON'T ATTACH SIGNS TO TREES.
AND THEN AT THE TRAIL HEAD, THIS IS THE TYPICAL OPEN CLOSED SIGN AT THE TRAIL HEAD. THE OTHER SIDE IS CLOSED.
WE PARTNER WITH EAGLE SCOUT WHO IS TAKE THIS ON AS THEIR COMMUNITY PROJECT. WE WILL PUT A BULLETIN BOARD AT THE TRAIL HEAD WITH A MAP AND OTHER THINGS.
I PLAN TO ADD A WARNING SIGN LIKE THIS RIDE AT YOUR OWN RISK AND WEAR A HELMET. TAKE CARE OF YOUR CHILDREN AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE WILL PUT THAT AT THE TRAIL HEAD TOO. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH WHOEVER IN THE CITY ACTUAL WORDING. WE WOULD LIKE TO IN THE FUTURE ADD A WASH RACK FOR THE BIKES AT THIS LOCATION.
ONCE WATER SUPPLY COULD GET DONE THERE.
WE WILL ALSO IN THE FUTURE HAVE A TOOL STAND WHICH HAS A PUMP AND OTHER TOOLS TO WORK ON BIKES.
WE SOMETIMES HAVE DONORS DONATE US PUTTING THOSE THINGS IN.
WE'RE ASKING THE CITY UP FRONT WE NEED 3 ASPHALT RAMPOS MAIN
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STREET TO GET THE BIKES IN AND OUT OF THE STREET.THEY LOOK LIKE THE RAMP THAT'S ON THE PART OF PARKING LOT BUT NOT NEAR AS WIDE. JUST SEVEN FEET.
WE WOULD LIKE A WATER SUPPLY BROUGHT DOWN AND THAT'S A FUTURE NEED TO GET US A WASH RACK. SO, PROBABLY EXTENDING FROM THE WET ZONE WHICH IS BOUND TO HAVE WATER DOWN THE EDGE THE DRIVEWAY, THE PARKING LOT THERE TO GET TO THE SITE.
VERY LONG-TERM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE.
PEOPLE GATHER UP BEFORE AND AFTER RIDES.
THAT'S FUTURE -- >> AND COULD BE SUBJECT TO SEEING HOW MANY PEOPLE USE FACILITY.
QUICK REQUESTS. ON THE ASPHALT RAMPS, YOU SAY ON MAIN STREET, YOU'RE TALKING IN THE PARKING LOT OR ACTUALLY ON
MAIN STREET? >> LOOP 5 GOES TO MAIN STREET.
WE USE MAIN STREET TO GET US UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACK AND INTO THE AREA. I NEED TWO TIMES AT THE TOP END TO COME INTO AND OUT OF THE STREET AND ONE TIME AT THE BOTTOM END TO COME OFF THE STREET INTO THE PARK.
>> UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU. >> I DON'T NEED VERY WIDE.
JUST ENOUGH TO GET THE BIKE. >> UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE FROM THE GET GO WANTED TO DO AN ALTERNATIVE INVOLVING THE HIGH SCHOOL LAND.
WE HAVEN'T EVER APPROACHED THE HIGH SCHOOL GISD BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE HAD TO DEAL WITH ROWLETT BEFORE IT MADE SENSE TO TALK TO THEM. LONG-TERM, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THE HIGH SCHOOL FORESTED LAND ON THE NORTH BANK OF THE CREEK TO PROVIDE THE WESTBOUND LEG OF OUR ROUTE 4.
AGAIN, IF THAT'S NOT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OR CAN'T HAPPEN, IT'S JUST A WISHFUL THINKING LONG-TERM KIND
OF THING. >> WE CAN ENTIRELY BUILD ON THE CITY LAND THAT'S WHAT THE MAP SHOWS.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. WE APPRECIATE IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF WARM HAND OFF FROM SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TO SAY, WE LIKE THESE GUYS AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THERE'S OTHER STAFF THAT DEAL WITH FACILITIES AND SPORTS ITSELF THAT WE COULD TALK TO. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN BUILD IT AS WE'VE GOT IT. IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE THAT CREEK IS BEAUTIFUL DOWN IN THERE.
IT REALLY IS SOMETHING. ALL RIGHT.
BENEFITS OF A TRAIL TO THE CITY. WE THINK IT ALLOWS THE CITY CITIZENS TO EXPERIENCE THE FOREST AND LAKE SHORE WITHOUT DAMAGING IT. IT'S A PRESERVATION PLAY AND GETS PEOPLE DOWN TO THE LAKE. PROVIDES HEALTH AND FITNESS BENEFITS. I THINK NIKA TALKED TO YOU FROM THE INTERCLASTIC CYCLING ASSOCIATION THEY HAVE HIGH TO HAVE A FACILITY.T WOULD LOVE- WE ALSO COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THE REC CENTER. THERE'S A RIDE ORGANIZED PRETTY MUCH EVERY WEEK AND COULD DO SOMETHING HERE.
THE HIGHEST REQUESTED ITEMS IN THE PARKS AND MASTER PLAN AND PROVIDES ACCESS TO REMOTE PARTS OF THE PARK.
THERE'S BEAUTIFUL AREAS BUT IF THERE'S TRASH, WE WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT. IF THERE'S TIRES, WE WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT AND BUILD IT AT NO COST TO THE CITY.
SO, AND ALSO IT IS EXTREMELY BEAUTIFUL.
THE TOP RIGHT IS THAT UNNAMED CREEK.
IT'S GORGEOUS OUT THERE AND THE BOTTOM MIDDLE IS ANOTHER CREEK.
THE LAKE SIDE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TREE DO THAT. WE WILL MAKE A FEATURE OUT OF IT. IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE AND REALLY IS COOL. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE SEEING MORE, THIS IS ON THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY PGBT.
PEOPLE ARE SEEING TRAILS IS AN IMPORTANT AMENITY TO GROWTH.
IT WILL BRING MORE VISITORS TO THE CITY.
WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING YOUR LAND USE.
YOU CAN TERMINATE WITH US AND DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY COMES UP. FOR US, IT GIVES US ANOTHER TRAIL ON THE EASTERN PART OF DALLAS WHICH IS GROWING FAST.
IT ALSO GIVES US A WELL-DRAINED UP LAND.
SQUABEL CREEK AND ROWLETT CREEK HOLD WATER.
FOR THE MOST OF THE SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, ROWLETT CREEK WAS CLOSED MOST OF THE TIME AND THINK THIS WILL RECOVER FASTER AND POPLARITY. THERE'S 21,000 MEMBERS ON THE
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DORBA PAGE. MOU MOUNTAIN BIKING HAS 20,000 MEMBERS, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA WHO ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS STUFF.ISSUES AND CONCERNS. DISC GOLF, WE THINK IT'S REALLY COMPATIBLE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE HOLE NUMBER ONE, MAYBE WE'RE CLOSE TO THE BASKET ON THAT THING.
WE COULD SHIFT IT. WE WILL WORK WITH THE DISC GOLF FOLKS AND ADJUST AS WE NEED TO, TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT IT.
THE PLACES ON THE DISC GOLF COURSE, DON'T GET NEAR THE LAUNCH PADS. THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE FLYING FAST. WE WILL SHIFT AWAY AND YOU NOTICE BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE, WE WILL TRY TO GET AWAY FROM THE LAUNCH PAD AS WE GO BETWEEN THE TWO.
AWAY FROM LAUNCH PAD 4 AND 5. PRETTY MUCH, NOT A LOT OF OTHER PLACES. WE DON'T EVER CROSS THE FAIRWAYS. WE'RE IN THE TREES A LOT OF TIMES. IF YOU'RE ON DISC GOLF TWO OR THREE, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW. WE'RE WELL BACK IN THE TREES.
WE MET WITH BRANDON AND TIGHT HOUSE DISC GOLF.
WHO KNEW ROWLETT HAD A DISC GOLF SCORE? I HAVEN'T EVEN TAKEN A PICTURE OF ALL THE DISCS IT HAS.
SO WE WILL WALK EACH ONE OF THESE AND MAKE SURE WE FINE TUNE THE LOCATION. COLOCATION INCLUDES GATEWAY PARK IF FORT WORTH AND LIZZIE PARK IN TYLER, THEY ARE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS COLOCATED CAN DISC GOLF. THE HARRY MYERS COURSE, LOOK HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO THE TRAIL. THEY HAVE TREES SO THERE'S NO ERRANT SHOT OFF OF BLUE TEE BOX ON TO THE TRAIL.
WE THINK IT CAN BE MANAGED VERY EASILY AND JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL IN THE DESIGN. WORSE CASE YOU PUT TREES IN AND BLOCK FROM AND KNOW THAT THROWS THE DISC IN THE WRONG WAY.
BRECKENRIDGE THROWS OVER THE PAVED TRAIL.
THE MIDDLE, THAT'S THROWING OVER THE TRAIL.
UP ON THE TOP LEFT, THAT'S THROWING OVER THE PAVED TRAIL.
PEOPLE DEAL WITH IT. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A BIG DANGER IF WE THINK IT CAN BE VERY EASILY WORKED OUT.
PATH CROSSINGS, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THE FORESTED AREA NEAR THE REC CENTER. WE HAD EXTENSIVE TALKS WITH CITY STAFF. WE PROPOSE A 10-MILE AN HOUR APPROACH SPEED. ASSUMING THE BIKE IS 10 MILES AN HOUR, THERE'S SPECIFIC SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
WE WOULD BASICALLY ALLOW THE BIKER TO SEE THE PERSON ON THE TRAIL BY REMOVING UNDERBRUSH SO THEY HAVE GOOD VISIBILITY AT THESE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS. WE THINK THEY WILL WORK WELL.
WE SUGGEST DOING IT AND WE WILL WORK SPECIFICALLY AT EACH LOCATION WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS.
WORSE CASE, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING, WE CAN PUT DIFFERENT FEATURES TO SLOW THE BIKE DOWN AND OVERLAP FENCES TO MAKE THE GUY ZIG-ZAG. WE WILL DO SOMETHING TO CONTROL.
WE HAVE OTHERS LIKE HORSE SHOE AND THINGS THAT DO HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT. WE MANAGED WELL WE THINK.
FUTURE LAND USE. WE ADDRESS THAT IN THE MLA.
THE AGREEMENT DOESN'T GRANT ANY PROPERTY OWNERS FROM DORBA TO OWNER. YOU HAVE A 30-DAY AT-WILL TERMINATION CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT.
YOU SHALL HAVE AN UNLIMITED RIGHT TO DO SO.
THEY ARE VERY SOFT HANDCUFFS. YOU CAN PUSH BACK ON US IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IF LIKE IN THE AREA TO THE EXTREME BOTTOM LEFT, WE CAN BACK OUT OF THERE. JUST GIVE US FAIR WARNING.
WE WILL WORK WITH YOU. WE EVEN HAVE, YOU RETAIN THE RIGHT, YOU WILL APPROVE WHATEVER WE DO TO WORK AROUND THE SITE.
WE HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT LOSING CONTROL.
NO YOU'RE NOT. THE OWNER RETAINS EXCLUSIVE CONTROL TO THE PROPERTY AND ANY TIME THE TRAIL IS OPEN OR CLOSE
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AND WE WILL COMPLY WITH THAT. DORBA WILL WORK WITH THE OWNER.ALL MODIFICATIONS WILL BE PROVIDED BY OWNER AND STAFF.
WE THINK WE COVERED THAT. WE INTEND TO WORK IN A PARTNERSHIP IN ORDER TO GET THIS THING BUILT.
OKAY. PECAN GROVE, THE FOURTH OF JULY STUFF, WE WILL DO A FACEBOOK PAGE FOR PECAN GROVE AND PUT TO CLOSED DURING THAT PERIOD. PUT OUT MESSAGES EARLY IN THE WEEK. WE CAN CLOSE ON THE DORBA WEBSITE AS WELL. TYPICALLY PEOPLE DON'T LOOK AT THAT UNTIL IT RAINS. THEY WILL LOOK AT IT.
WE WILL RELY ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE TO COMMUNICATE OUT TO OUR PEOPLE THAT THE TRAIL NEEDS TO BE STAYED OFF OF AND TAKE YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT. STAFF TIME, I AM A CIVIL ENGINEER. I WOULD LIKE TO RUN THIS WITH A WEEKLY MEETING WITH PARK STAFF. JUST 9 O'CLOCK EVERY WEDNESDAY MORNING WE MEET FOR AN HOUR. I WILL PICK THE AGENDAS AND KEEPS MINUTES. I THINK WE CAN HANDLE IT EFFICIENTLY AND EASILY. THE PROJECT IS NOT THAT COMPLEX.
THERE'S NO PAY REQUEST. WE WANT TO JUST COORDINATE.
I AM REMOVING TRASH MATERIAL, WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT IT.
I'M GOING TO WORK IN THIS AREA. NO YOU'RE NOT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING SO IT KEEPS THE PROJECT MOVING ALONG SO WE GET ANSWERS AS WE GO ALONG.
I DON'T INTEND TO OVER BURDEN STAFF.
AND I KNOW DAVID THAT'S YOUR CONCERN WITH PUTTING THIS THING TOGETHER. BUT WE WILL TRY TO CARRY IT FORWARD. WITH THAT, THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION. WE THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE A SIGNATURE ASSET FOR THE CITY. YOU HAVE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR 27 YEARS. WE THINK WE COULD PUT THIS INTO RIGHT NOW IS THE BEST TIME TO BUILD IT OVER THIS WINTER.
FRANKLY. WE COULD GET IT BUILT BY LABOR DAY. LABOR DAY IS THE FIRST -- LATE MAY, WE COULD HAVE IT OPEN BY THEN.
>> WE COULD BUILD IT -- FIVE MONTHS WE COULD BUILD IT AND SOFT OPEN IT AND HAVE DAVID RUN IT.
SO. WITH THAT, THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
COUNCIL QUESTIONS? >> YOU ANSWERED EVERYTHING I THOUGHT TO ASK. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE APP THAT TALKS ABOUT THE STATUS OF TRAILS.
COULD THAT BE USED TO GIVE PEOPLE INFORMATION WHEN IT'S
CLOSED? >> YES, THAT'S THE APP EXCLUSIVE PURPOSE. IS TO PROVIDE OPEN AND CLOSED STATUS. IT LINKS TO A LOT OF INFORMATION SO LIKE IF YOU CLICK ON ONE OF THE TRAIL NAMES, IT WILL TAKE YOU TO LIKE A WHOLE INFORMATION PAGE ON IT.
BUT THAT'S EXCLUSIVE PURPOSE IS THE OPEN AND CLOSED STATUS
>> LIKE IF THE CITY DIRECTED YOU TO CLOSE IT FOR X DAYS.
>> CORRECT. IT WOULD BE CLOSED ON THE APP AS WELL AS WE DO WANT A PHYSICAL SIGN FOR OPEN AND CLOSED AT ALL TRAIL HEADS. THAT WAY IT WOULD BE ON THE APP AND AT THE TRAIL HEAD. THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN LOOK BEFORE
THEY GO. >> THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. I LOVE IT.
I THINK IT'S A HOME RUN IDEA PERSONALLY.
YOU MENTIONED INSURANCE AGENTS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES.
WHO HOLDS LIABILITY ON THIS? >> SO WE HOLD THE LIABILITY AS FAR AS ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND THE WORK THAT GOES INTO IT.
AND AND OF OUR M.O.U.S STATE THAT WE INDEMNIFY THE LANDOWNER.
SOME M.O.U.S DON'T STATE THAT. IT'S UP TO THE CITY OF ROWLETT.
THE M.O.U. THAT Y'ALL HAVE FOR THIS SPECIFIC EVENT IS WE WOULD.
NOW SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO PROVE GROSS NEGLIGENCE BUT WE CAN PLAY WITH ALL OF THAT IN THE COURT OF LAW.
NOT THAT WE WANT TO GO THERE. AND SO, FOR THIS SPECIFIC ACCORDING TO THE M.O.U. AS IT IS WRITTEN NOW IS THAT WE WOULD HOLD AND INDEMNIFY THE CITY OF ROWLETT FOR THE TRAIL SYSTEM.
>> AND WE WOULD ISSUE A CERTIFICATE AS ADDITIONAL
INSURANCE TO THE CITY? >> OUR INSURANCE PACKAGES ARE
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THROUGH THE NATIONAL MOUNTAIN BIKING ASSOCIATION.WE WORK WITH THEM AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
>> THAT'S NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY USE OF THE TRAIL BY THE PUBLIC.
>> YEAH, SO YOU TYPICALLY, THE WAY I CAN ONLY, I'M NOT GOING TO DELVE IN. I'M NOT A LAWYER SO I'M GOING TO DELVE INTO THE SPECIFIC NEIGHBORS.
I CAN SPEAK FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS' EXPERIENCES.
SOMETHING GETS HURT ON THE TRAIL, THEY ARE GOING TO SUE EVERYBODY. YOUR MOM, THE CITY, THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT ABOUT DORBA AND SUE DORBA AND SEE WHO WILL PAY OUT. THEN THEN IT'S DOWN TO THE LAWYERS TO DECIDE. I CAN'T PROTECT THE CITY FROM LAWSUITS. I CAN PROVIDE A VERY GOOD INSURANCE PACKAGE WITH I BELIEVE OUR CURRENT IS, EITHER TWO OR $5 MILLION PER OCCURRENCE. SO, LIKE WE HAVE A HEFTY BENEFITS PACKAGE. I CAN'T PROTECT YOU FROM THE
SUITS BUT GIVE YOU A COI. >> NUMBER ONE, GREAT PRESENTATION, THANK YOU FOR DRIVING HERE IN KELLER OR WHATEVER YOU WERE. THAT IS NOT A FUN DRIVE.
>> I WAS TEXTING MARTIN, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT.
>> THE FACT YOU'RE VOLUNTEERS AND NOBODY GETS COMPENSATED FOR THIS IS REMARKABLE FRANKLY. I APPRECIATE THE THOROUGHNESS OF THE PRESENTATION. MY ONLY REAL QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR DORBA? HOW DO YOU EXIST? INSURANCE ON THAT SCALE IS NOT CHEAP.
SOME OF THE SUPPLIES IS NOT CHEAP.
>> WHAT IS THE MECHANISM? >> WE WORK THROUGH GRANTS.
OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME IS IN REVENUE IS THE 1900 PAYING MEMBERS. OUR BASE MEMBERSHIP IS $45 A YEAR. YOU GET LIKE A TEE SHIRT AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE WORK, WE GET DONATIONS AND NORTH TEXAS GIVING DAY. IF WE WANT TO FUND A PROJECT, WE WILL FUND RAISE FOR RESTRICTED FUNDING.
OUR REVENUE HAS BEEN ABOUT 150 K A YEAR.
FOR THE LAST SECOND. I WAS ABLE TO DRIVE 50% INCREASE IN REVENUE FROM LAST YEAR. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT BASED ON BUDGET AND REVENUE FORECASTING.
WE'RE SITTING AROUND THE $225,000 YEAR MARK.
WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO $500,000. THAT'S PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. THAT'S WHERE OUR REVENUE COMES FROM. IF WE NEED TO BUY NEW TOOLS FOR A TRAIL SYSTEM, WE WILL WORK WITH A LOCAL BUSINESS THAT'S CLOSE TO THERE. WE WILL BUY, HEY, IS THERE ANY WAY TO WORK OUT A DISCOUNT AND THEN IF WE NEED TO DO FUNDRAISING FOR SPECIFIC LARGE SCALE ITEMS WE DO.
THE MEMBERS COVER THE BASE OF WHAT WE NEED.
INSURANCE, GAS, IN THE TRIMMERS. THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN ANYTHING MAJOR EXTRA, WE PLAN OUT FOR.
SO, WE HAVE BRIDGES THAT NEED TO BE REBUILT COMING UP SOON.
WE WILL BE TALKING WITH HOME DEPOT.
>> IF I CAN JUMP IN. I'M THE REGISTERED NAY SAYER.
IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW. I WILL INTRODUCE MYSELF THAT WA AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I SAID IT OVER AND OVER.
I THINK DORBA IS A FANTASTIC GROUP AND I DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION. SINCE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HEARD THIS EXCEPT YOU. I WILL SHARE WITH YOU.
IS YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN ON THE ROWLETT CREEK PRESERVE WALKING MY DOG. OUT OF EIGHT TIMES, I WAS RUN OVER, ME AND MY DOG RUN OVER TWICE.
SO, I KNOW EVERYBODY SAYS SAFE AND SAFE.
I'M TELLING YOU, I HAVE BEEN RUN OVER 25% OF THE TIME BEING ON A DORBA TRAIL. THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE.
KEEP THAT IN MIND. SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD TODAY ADDRESS SOME OF MY CONCERNS. VERY GLAD THAT PAUL AND THE GROUP FROM THE DISC GOLF WAS HERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT WAS SO INCREDIBLY UNFAIR IF WE HAD TO
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TAKE THAT DOWN TO BUILD THIS TRAIL.THAT WAS A REAL, REAL PROBLEM FOR ME.
SO, I AM GLAD THEY FEEL LIKE THEY COULD WORK WITH YOU AND Y'ALL CAN DO THAT. LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW, MY BIGGEST HEART BURN IS STILL LOOP 1.
I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH LOOP 1 BEING THAT CLOSE TO THE PECAN GROVE TRAIL. JUST BEING IN PROXIMITY BEHIND WET ZONE AND KID ZONE. THERE ARE KIDS BACK THERE.
THIS IS A REAL CAUSE OF REAL, REAL HEART BURN.
EVEN IF YOU COULD TAKE LOOP ONE DOWN, GET IT MAYBE DON'T GET RID OF ALL OF IT, BUT MAYBE FROM ROWLETT, FROM THE WET ZONE DOWN, MAYBE THE ONE THAT GOES ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK.
THAT'S FINE. I DON'T HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE SAFETY FACTOR AND WHAT IS A VERY ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN KID PLAY ZONE. THAT'S A BIG SAFETY CONCERN.
THE REST OF IT I'M NOT GOING TO GO SO MUCH INTO.
BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT STILL ARE OUTSTANDING FOR ME THAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. I UNDERSTAND RECOGNIZE THE VALUE OF, APPRECIATE EVERYTHING DO YOU AS A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY FOR ME, I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THIS CITY, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN OUR HISTORY, HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH TURNING OVER WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE OPERATIONAL CONTROL OF A CITY ASSET TO AN OUTSIDE GROUP. I HEARD MATT'S COMMENT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, DO IT WITH THESE GUYS.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS.
BUT, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS, I DON'T -- I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS AND HAVE A HISTORY AND I GET IT. I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM TURNING WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE OPERATIONAL CONTROL OVER AND SPECIFICALLY A COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS I'M NOT COMFORTABLE HAVING Y'ALL GO THROUGH THE WOODS AND I KNOW IT'S FAIRLY MINIMAL, WE WALK THROUGH THE WOODS.
I DID COMMENT IT WAS LESS DESTRUCTIVE THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. I STILL THINK THAT HAS TO BE DONE UNDER THE ABSOLUTE SUPERVISION OF THE PARKS DIVISION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAYOR HAS THE LESS, WE HAVE SPENT THE LAST 18 MONTHS GOING THROUGH ALL CAPITAL PROJECTS, EVERYTHING, PARKS, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
FINDING THE, LOOKING WHAT WAS FUNDED.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A HUGE PROCESS. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING IT.
WE HAVE A PRIORITY LIST WITHIN THE PARKS PART OF IT.
I HAVE MY PET PROJECT ON THERE. BUT IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME. I HAVE BEEN WAITING FIVE YEARS FOR. I DON'T WANT IT TO GET DERAILED OR PUSHED BACK ANOTHER MINUTE BECAUSE OF THIS.
I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE HERE OIL HOUSE IS ONE THAT WE FEEL STRONGLY IS A HIGH PRIORITY AND WE WANT TO SEE THAT FIXED.
AND SO, IF YOU KNOW IF WE COME TO AN M.O.U. AND THERE IS SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT, ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST ABSOLUTELY AM GOING TO INSIST ON IS THAT THE TIMING AND PRIORITIZATION OF WHEN WE BEGIN THAT IT IS COMPLETELY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS DEPARTMENT.
SO, I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO RUN OUT THERE TOMORROW WITH A, YOU KNOW WEED EATER AND START GOING THROUGH IT.
I AM JUST NOT COMFORTABLE. MAYBE INTERNALLY OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL SAY, HEY, WE HAVE TIME TO DO IT OR THESE OTHERS AREN'T TAKING AS LONG. I WANT THEM TO MAKE THAT CALL.
I DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP THE GATES AND SAY HERE'S YOUR M.O.U.. THAT'S SOMETHING I FEEL REAL STRONGLY ABOUT. THE OTHER THING AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN A CONVERSATION TODAY THAT I HAD IS WE HAVE A TREE MITIGATION PROGRAM.
OKAY. I THINK YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT DOWN ANYTHING. AND I UNDERSTAND.
THERE'S A LOT OF TREES IN THERE. THAT THREE INCH TREE.
WHEN YOU START CUTTING DOWN THREE-INCH TREES, YOU ARE INTO OUR TREE MITIGATION PROGRAM. SOMEBODY IS PAYING OR SOMEBODY IS WAVING PAYMENTS. THAT HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION. JUST BECAUSE THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL WAY WE DO BUSINESS. WE DO IT FOR DEVELOPERS, WE DID IT FOR EVERYBODY. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
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MAYBE IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT DOWN THOSE TREES. IT'S ANOTHER THING WHY I WANT THAT SUPERVISION, THAT DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN MY MIND.I WROTE DOWN ARTICLE 2.2. WHAT WAS ARTICLE 2.2? MAYBE A COUPLE SLIDES EARLIER. LET'S SEE.
YEAH, SO THAT AGAIN GOES TO THE IDEA OF HEY, I KNOW YOUR VOLUNTEERS DO A GREAT JOB. YOU'RE A BUTTONED-UP ORGANIZATION. I'M NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO HAVE THE SUPERVISION, I'M SAYING HAS A CITY AND TO FUNCTION PROPERLY AS A CITY. I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. JUST A BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE WE HAVE DIRECT CITY INVOLVEMENT AND THAT THE PRIORITIZATION AND THE TIMING OF WHEN THIS PROJECT STARTS WILL BE DICTATED BY THE
CITY. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STATE WE WOULD LIKE TO LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT AS WELL.
IT'S A NEW RELATIONSHIP. WE ALL NEED TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. AND SO, I DEFINITELY WOULD BE FULLY ON BOARD AND HOPE WE WOULD HAVE THAT LEVEL OF COORDINATION, I DON'T LIKE THE WORD SUPERVISION, BUT DEFINITELY OKAY WITH THE COORDINATION THAT WOULD GO ON THERE.
ALSO FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT, WE WANT IT DONE THE RIGHT WAY THE FIRST TIME. IF THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT OUT THERE CUTTING NEXT WEEK, THAT'S FINE.
MAYBE CUTTING IS THE WRONG WORD. TRIMMING.
TRIMMING, I THINK THAT'S FINE. FROM OUR ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT, LIKE WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE ALSO WANT TO FOCUS ON.
IT'S ONE THING IF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR SO, LOOK AT THAT AND START TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE'RE DIALING IN EVERYTHING AND SETTING THE STANDARDS FOR THE COORDINATION AND MAKING SURE THE CITY HAS THE OVER SIGHT AND CONTROL IT NEEDS.
BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO GET TO THIS TIME NEXT YEAR BECAUSE --
>> THAT'S FAIR. >> AT THAT POINT, WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEER AND I CAN ONLY VOLUNTEER 20 HOURS OF MY TIME A WEEK. SO MUCH AS ALONG WITH MY OTHER ALL OF MY OTHER ADMINS AS WELL. SO I WOULD NOT CONTINUE TO ASK THAT OF THE ORGANIZATION. ON BOARD WITH FIGURING OUT THE RIGHT TIME TO START AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE COORDINATION.
DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO PUSH IT.
>> LET ME BE CLEAR. I'M NOT PUTTING THIS OUT AS A SECRET WAY TO MAYBE WE JUST DELAY THIS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND IT WILL GO AWAY. BUT, BECAUSE ONE OF THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE CITY WITH KIND OF THE NEW THE NEWER COUNCIL, IS WE JUST GOT A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAS GOT TO BE FIXED.
AND IT TAKES RESOURCES. AND IT'S RESOURCES ALL OVER TOWN. AND SO, I JUST REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THERE HAS TO BE SENSITIVITY TO IT.
IT'S NOT AT LEAST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW NOT TO SAY, NO WAY EVER.
BUT, AT LEAST GIVE US THAT LATITUDE BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY IS READY TO GO TOMORROW.
>> TO YOUR TREE MITIGATION POINT, I COME FROM A FORESTRY BACKGROUND. I'M ON BOARD WITH THE MITIGATION AND YOUR TREE ANALYSIS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO, THE THREE-INCH DIAMETER PIECE IS TYPICALLY JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE.
WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK AND WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOUR NATURALIST AND YOUR FORESTERS ALL ACROSS THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE ARE CUTTING DOWN DOES NEED TO BE CUT DOWN.
I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SPENT THREE MONTHS TALKING ABOUT ONE TREE. WE WILL ROUTE THE TRAIL AROUND THE TREE. BUT, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO YOUR TREE MITIGATION POINT, VERY FAMILIAR WITH AND WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK TO THAT POINT.
BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE ACCESS TO SEE ALL THE THINGS AND NOT RUIN THE NATURE FOR EVERYBODY.
>> YEAH. >> YEAH, THREE INCHES IS IN THE AGREEMENT. I DON'T SEE CUTTING THAT MANY
TREES AT ALL TO DO THIS. >> WHEN I WALKED,
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>> I CLEARED SOMETHING WITH A LOPPER TO MAKE THE WALK.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS GREENBRIARS.
ALL THOSE THORNY THINGS THAT GET ALL OVER YOU.
>> WHAT DO YOU DO EVEN WITH THE SMALL TREES, THE BRUSH WHATEVER YOU'RE CLEARING THERE, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT? HAULING IT OFF OR THROWING IT UP?
>> WE WOULD WORK THAT OUT. DEPENDS.
>> ME PERSONALLY, I LIKE TO SEE IT REMOVED.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED YOU KNOW HOW IT IS DISPOSED.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WRITTEN
IN THE M.O.U.. >> THE FOREST, ALL THE TIME
THINGS ARE DYING. >> WE DON'T NEED TO CUT IT DOWN AND THROW IT ON TOP OF THINGS DYING.
>> AT LEAST 30 YARDS OFF THE TRAIL.
>> I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY COORDINATE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT NEEDS TO BE WITH THE LEVEL OF COORDINATION AND CONTROL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN AN M.O.U. SO MUCH IF ALL OF OUR WORK IS GOING TO BE AUTHORIZED AND ALL PLANS REVIEWED BY THE OWNER, PART OF THAT WOULD BE DEBRIS, VEGETATION DEBRIS MANAGEMENT PLANS FOR ANY AND ALL TRAIL WORK.
I DON'T KNOW THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE M.O.U..
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE A SHOT AT IT. THAT FALLS UNDER THE ALL PROPOSED TRAIL MODIFICATIONS AND THE BUILDING OF THE TRAIL WOULD BE COORDINATED AND CONTROLLED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY.
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT THE CITY IS INVOLVED.
STILL AT SOME POINT, IF THE REQUEST IS MADE, WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THIS. WLO IS PULLING IT -- WHO IS PULLING IT OUT. MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE M.O.U. I WANT TO BRING IT UP AS A POINT
OF CONVERSATION. >> THAT LITERALLY WOULD BE IN
THE WEEDS. >> IT IS IN THE WEEDS.
>> THE ARTICLE 2.2 SAYS, WE WILL TRAIL BLAZE AND FLAG THE ROUTE EACH PART OF ROUTE WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT CLEARING AND THE ANTICIPATED GOAL. RESOLVE ANY ISSUES PRIOR TO TRAIL CONSTRUCTION. WE EXPECT AND RELEASE IS TO BEGIN TRAIL CONSTRUCTION IN STAGES.
WE EXPECT TO WALK IT WITH THE PARKS GUY.
JUST WALK IT AND SHOW WHAT WE'RE UP TO.
>> TWO MORE QUESTIONS. ONE FOR RIGHT NOW, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, I'M TALKING PART OF LOOP ONE THAT'S IN SIGHT THERE.
THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE PECAN GROVE TRAIL, IS IT POSSIBLE, IF Y'ALL NEED TO GO UP ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK AND MAIN STREET AND GET TO THE OTHER SIDE, I CAN CHECK THAT OUT.
BUT REALLY FROM MAYBE FROM BEHIND KINGDOM SOUTH, AND ELIMINATE THAT TOP PORTION IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
>> STACY, CAN YOU GO TO 44? >> IS THAT FORWARD OR
BACKWARDS? >> IT'S AT THE END.
SLIDE 44 AND ENTER, IT WILL JUMP.
IF YOU TYPE A SLIDE NUMBER -- >> I'M HERE TO DO POWER POINT
SO, ANYWAY, THAT'S THE MAP. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
>> BASICALLY WHERE IT SAYS THE WORDS LOOP ONE.
FROM THERE SOUTH. BUT MAYBE TAKE OUT THAT PIECE THAT GETS RIGHT UP THERE REALLY CLOSE TO THE REC CENTER.
REALLY CLOSE TO WHERE THERE IS HEAVY PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS DISTANCE WISE.
I KNOW Y'ALL -- >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE SURVEY AND FLAG THE TRAIL.
THAT WOULD BE A BETTER TIME TO SEE HOW THAT GETS BEFORE WE START TRAIL BLAZING. IF WE PUT THE FLAGS OUT IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY AND IT'S REALLY CLOSER AND EVERYBODY AGREES IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN, I THINK OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE NEED TO BE ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING YES OR NO.
>> AGAIN. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MY COMMENTS NOT THE COMMENTS OF COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST, I CAN TAKE A LITTLE MAGIC MARKER. AND DOT YOU LINES AND FIX YOU
RIGHT UP. >> I WILL SAY BEHIND THE WET ZONE, THERE'S A MOWED AREA BUT WE'RE IN THE TREES.
THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SLOPE.
>> I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT. YOU AND I WOULD HAVE TROUBLE
WALKING THROUGH THAT AREA. >> ANYWAY, I THINK, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK Y'ALL.
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>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, I AM VERY SORRY YOU HAD THOSE EXPERIENCES WITH MOUNTAIN BIKERS AND IT'S NOT A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. YOU GO TO OUR INTRODUCTION TO MOUNTAIN BIKING CLINICS, BIKERS YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS.
REALLY SORRY YOU HAD THOSE EXPERIENCES.
IT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
>> IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW YOU EXPERIENCED IT.
>> JUST MY EXPERIENCE. SO MAYBE I AM HITTABLE.
THANKS Y'ALL FOR BEING >> YOU'RE GOOD.
>> NO. I THINK IT WAS A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. AND I AM ALL IN.
>> ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. WITH REGARD TO THE TIMELINE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WITH THE PRIORITIES WE HAVE AND THE TIMELINE. DORBA, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE 12 MONTHS DOWN THE ROW AND WE'RE STILL IN THE DESIGN PHASE, DOES
THAT ALIGN WITH STAFF'S ABILITY? >> WE HAVE THE CAPACITY?
>> CAN I -- >> LET ME -- IF I COULD.
BECAUSE HE ASKED A QUESTION AND I WANT TO ADDRESS IT.
PART OF THEIR FRUSTRATION IS THE TIME THIS HAS TAKEN.
IT'S ALSO PART OF OURS. DORBA'S PROJECT WASN'T ON OUR PROJECT LIST. YOU HAD STAFF CHANGES AND QUITE FRANKLY THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE READY TO GO BECAUSE AND THIS IS NOT ANYTHING AGAINST DORBA. IT'S ALMOST BEEN CAST AS IF STAFF IS ANTI-DORBA. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
WHY WOULD WE BE? THERE'S NO REASON.
BUT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT I INHERITED THAT WAS NOT FAVORABLE TO THE CITY. IF I'M DORBA, I'M NEGOTIATING ON TERMS THAT IS MORE BENEFICIAL TO DORBA.
I STOPPED THE AGREEMENT. WE CHANGED STAFF.
WE GOT PEOPLE IN THE DOOR, THAT LOOKED AT THE THING AND I BIT MORE CRITICALLY IN TERMS OF HOW WE PROTECT AND INDEMNIFY THE CITY. DORBA MADE A LOT OF CONCESSIONS MOVING OFF THE ORIGINAL M.O.U. THERE'S THIS TIME I DIRECTOR OF PARKS HAVE DEVOTED TO THIS. I'M ANSWERING THE QUESTION AT CAPACITY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, I FEEL AN OBLIGATION TO GIVE CONTEXT. STAFF HAS BEEN MALIGNED NOT BY DORBA BUT BY THE CONVERSATION, THE LACK OF CONTEXT TO WHAT WE HAVE INHERITED IN TRYING TO ENSURE THE CITY OF PROTECTED AND MADE THE BEST DEAL FOR THE CITY AND THAT DID TAKE TIME.
IT HAS COST DORBA TIME AND COST US TIME BUT IT WAS ALSO A PROJECT THAT WAS NOWHERE IN OUR WORK PLAN.
SOY WE PLEAD THE TIME TO TRY TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS TO FURTHER THIS. GETTING TO THE POINT TO WHERE DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY? WE HAVE WHATEVER CAPACITY YOU TELL US. BUT THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR WORK PLAN. WHEN YOU SAY LET'S GO FORWARD, YEAH, WE WILL FIND A WAY TO DO IT, BUT, I WILL ALWAYS SAY TO YOU, YOU HAVE GIVEN US A WORK PLAN AND TASKS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY A TASK ORDER. SO ALL I WOULD SAY, PLEASE UNDERSTAND. I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO ORDER IT. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATTER TO ME. WHAT MATTERS TO ME, WHEN I SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF MY BOSSES AND THEY ASK FOR PROGRESS OR STATUS UPDATES, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT X PROJECT ISN'T GETTING DONE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE PRIORITIZED THIS ONE.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
IT'S IMPORTANT IT'S STATED AND EXPLICIT AND UNDERSTOOD.
RIGHT THERE'S OTHER THINGS. I GUESS YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
THE PATH WAY. I WAS GOING TO MENTION THE PATHWAY, ONLY BECAUSE AND NOW I'M VEERING OFF, I WANT TO SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY AND SHUT UP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ASKED OF ME. BUT EVERY TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE DORBA TRAIL, WE DID THIS. THE DORBA TRAIL WAS SIX FEET WIDE. I NEED YOU TO KNOW THIS.
THAT'S IT. BECAUSE I SEE EVERYONE DOING THIS. SIX FEET WIDE, WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THAT IS UP TO YOU. THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT IT'S GENERALLY A PRACTICE FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKERS TO YIELD TO THE PEDESTRIANS BECAUSE ONE OF BIGGEST CONCERNS WHEN YOU WONDER WHY STAFF SAID WE CAN'T GO FORWARD, THEY WERE TWO ISSUES OUR ENGINEER FELT WERE UNRESOLVED, ONE YOU HAVE SINCE RESOLVED, SIGHT VISIBIITY TRIANGLES, THEY CLEAR MUCH WIDER SWATH THERE. 17 BY 32 FEET.
SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.
BUT THE OTHER WAS WHO HAD RIGHTS OF WAY WITH RESPECT TO YIELDING?
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AND GARY'S CONCERN AND I SPOKE WITH HIM ABOUT IT TODAY TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT, THERE WAS NO CLARITY WITH RESPECT TO WHO WOULD YIELD. YES MAYBE DORBA SAID WE SHOULD YIELD AND THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO TO SPEAK TO THE ETHICS AND WHAT MATTERS TO YOU. OUR CONCERN IS IN REALITY THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHY WE SAID WE DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW. MAYBE WE COULD HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK THROUGH THOSE THING. AGAIN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ANYTHING BACK TO YOUR POINT. THE STAFF RESOURCE AND DRAIN OF TIME THAT BOTH PARTIES HAVE GIVEN WITHOUT THIS BEING A LEGITIMATE WORK PLAN ITEM FOR ME AND US.DO WE HAVE CAPACITY? WE HAVE WHAT YOU TELL US WE HAVE AND THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MAY STANCE.
I NEED TO MAYBE SURE IT'S CONTEXTUALIZED MY BOSSES UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT 12 MONTHS AGO, 12 WEEKS AGO WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE LARGER PROJECTS AND $100 MILLION OF CAPITAL THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IS THIS THAT MAGNITUDE? WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU GO IN WITHOUT OUR PARTNERS WITH YOU. IT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM SOMETHING. I CAN'T GIVE A SENSE OF WHAT THAT IS NOW. I'M SIMPLY SAYING AND I DON'T KNOW WE NEED TO. I NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I HAVE STATED IT WITH THE RECORD AND YOU DO AS YOU WISH.
CAPACITY IS THERE IF YOU TELL ME IT'S THERE.
>> THANK YOU, I WANTED TO SAY, FIRST BEFORE I GET INTO THIS, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME.
LOOKING AT ROWLETT, I KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. MY COMMENTS ARE REALLY JUST MORE REFLECTIVE OF KIND OF ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THIS? OTHER THAN THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD CONCEPT. THERE ARE SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS BUT Y'ALL MITIGATED SOME OF THE ISSUES.
MY CONCERNS ARE JUST IN OUR HOUSE.
COUNCIL THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET IN WITH YOU.
I PASSED OUT A LIST. IN THE LIST HIGHLIGHTED THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE PRIORITIZED THAT ARE PARK RELATED.
OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE DOWN BELOW, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE THREE VERY IMPORTANT ITEMS, WET ZONE, KIDS KINGDOM AND COIL HOUSE. I DON'T SPEAK FOR OPERATIONS, CITY MANAGER DOES. WHAT I WILL SAY, I ENCOURAGE US WE BE REASONABLE WITH WHAT WE KNOW WHICH IS THAT WE ARE RESOURCE LIMITED BECAUSE OF OUR PROJECTS
>> THESE ARE OUR NUMBERS. UNDOUBTEDLY IF WE ARE TELLING STAFF THAT WE WANT STAFF TO BE AVAILABLE AND DORBA IS READY TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION, THERE WILL BE SOME IMPACTS SOMEWHERE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BE AN IMPACT ON WET ZONE.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT IT TO BE IMPACT ON KIDS KINGDOM.
THOSE HAVE BEEN TWO SIGNIFICANT QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT.
AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ADDRESS. I DON'T WANT TO PUT A SPEED BUMP INTO THE PROJECT ON THOSE TWO VERY HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR THE COMMUNITY. ALL I'M ASKING THAT WE BE REASONABLE AND NOT RUSH INTO THIS KNOWING THAT THIS LIST DOES EXIST. IF ANYTHING, I WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER US TO ADD THIS IN TO THE PROJECT LIST AND REPRIORITIZE SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THIS DOES FALL TO THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. THAT WAY WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC. OKAY, DORBA, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO START IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. BUT I THINK, I PREFER WE GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AGAIN AT A FUTURE MEETING ADDING THIS PROJECT TO THE LIST AND RE-PRIORITIZE.
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING WITH DORBA, YOU HAD EXPERIENCE. YOU WORKED WITH TRAILS.
AS WE LOOK TO PRIORITIZE THE TIME THAT WE THINK THIS WILL TAKE, COULD YOU GIVE INSIGHT AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD BE PER
STAFF'S TIME? >> IT'S TWOFOLD.
YOU WILL HAVE A LITTLE MORE UPFRONT TIME WHEN YOU DEVELOP THE TRAILS FOR ALL THE POINTS THAT WERE MENTIONED HERE.
LUCKILY, I CAME INTO A WELL-ALREADY ESTABLISHED TRAIL SYSTEM. BUT I NEED PROBABLY AT LEAST QUARTERLY WITH OUR TRAIL STEWARD.
I PROBABLY GET MORE UPDATES THAN THAT FROM HIM.
SO THE TERMS FROM OUR STAFF TIME IS VERY, VERY MINIMAL.
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IF WE ASSIST, SOMETHING THEY CAN'T HANDLE, A BIG TREE COMES DOWN AND THEIR VOLUNTEER NEED HELP.IF HE'S GOING TO LAY OUT NEW TRAILS, WE WILL FLAG IF AND I WILL WALK IT AND GIVE MY APPROVAL AND THEY'RE OFF TO THE RACES. ON THE UPFRONT WHEN YOU FIRST BUILDING THESE, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO BE HANDS ON TO KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING. WHERE THE ROUTE GOING TO GO AND HOW IS IT GOING TO IMPACT THE OTHER USERS OF THE PARK? THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE ANSWERS NEEDED AND I WOULD WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE. ONCE THE TRAILS ARE ESTABLISHED, THEY KNOW HOW TO MAINTAIN, RUN AND MARK THE TRAILS.
THEY KNOW HOW TO ADVOCATE FOR THE TRAILS AND REALLY THE STAFF TIME BECOMES VERY, VERY MINIMAL. I MAINTAIN OVER 3200 ACRES.
THAT CREEK WOULDN'T BE ACTIVE WITHOUT DORBA.
MORE PEOPLE ARE USING OR PARKS AND MY AMENITIES AS THE PARK SYSTEM I OPERATE AND RUN. I WOULD WANT TO SEE THE SAME THING IN ROWLETT AS A RESIDENT. IT'S MOSTLY BLACKS AND BLUES AT ROWLETT WHICH I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO RIDE.
I WANT TO RIDE EASIER ONES. YES, I WOULD WANT TO HAVE UP FRONT TO YOUR QUESTION. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HIGH UP FRONT COSTS IN TERMS OF TIME AND STAFF TIME, BUT ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED AND GOING, IT WOULD BE MINIMAL.
IT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT INTO IT AND HOW MUCH YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT AND WHAT YOU WOULD FIND I THINK AGAIN, GOING BACK TO HAVING THE RIGHT PARTNER IS THE MORE YOU GET COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, THE LESS TIME YOU'RE GOING TO NEED BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO TRUST THEM AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE RESULTS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LESS AND LESS STAFF TIME
MAYOR. >> JUST ONE OTHER COMMENT.
AND I WILL ASK YOU MAYOR, FIRST. ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, ISN'T THIS ONE OF PARKING LOTS WE'RE FUNDING FOR EXPANSION?
>> I WILL GO ON TO MY BRIEF LIST THAT INCLUDES LOOP 5.
YES. I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LEAVE LOOP FIVE IN IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT WON'T BE SOON AFTER BEFORE THAT ENTIRE THINGS IS GOING TO BE TORN UP.
IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU WANT TO, YOU MAYBE GET A YEAR OUT OF IT,
BUT -- >> NO, THEY'RE RELEVELLING AND RESURFACING. THE EXTENT OF IT, I CAN'T NECESSARILY GET INTO BECAUSE IT'S GOT TO BE REDESIGNED TO SOME EXTENT. BUT, WE'RE INSTALLING OUR OWN CONCRETE TRAIL. PARKING LOT.
IT'S -- IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO Y'ALL IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN A TRAIL THAT'S ONLY GOING TO LAST MAYBE A YEAR.
THE OUTBOUND LEG IS UP IN THE HIGH FORESTED AREA.
BESIDE THAT RAILROAD TRACK. IT'S SURPRISINGLY HIGH CONTOURS BACK THERE. THE RAILROAD PHYSICALLY CUT OFF A PENINSULA THAT WENT OUT THAT WAY.
THE FORESHORE, IF YOU PAVE IT, WE WILL RIDE BIKES ON PAVEMENT.
IN FRISCO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ABOUT TO SHUT DOWN DECEMBER 15TH I THINK WE'RE YEAR A SO WHILE THEY REBUILD AND RECONFIGURE.
>> FRISCO IS REESTABLISHING A PARK.
WE ARE CLOSING DOWN UNTIL THEIR PROGRESS IS DONE.
>> THE FORESHORE IS EASY. I TAKE A MOWER AND MOW IT.
THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH FOR ME TO DO.
WE WILL TRAVEL ON THE FORESHORE. IF YOU NEED IT TO CONSTRUCT, WE WILL GET OUT OF IT WHILE THAT IS BEING DONE.
>> IF I COULD CONTINUE, I WAS OUT AT ROWLETT CREEK PRESERVE ON SATURDAY, THEY WERE 34 CARS IN THE PARKING LOT AT 9 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. I SEE EVERYBODY IS AGREEING WITH THAT. THAT'S A LOT OF CARS AND WE ARE LIMITED. I'M JUST, I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO COMPLETELY BLOW ANYTHING UP, I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SAID, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING THAT PARK, LET'S UNDERSTAND IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF CARS THAT WILL BE IN THERE.
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THAT WILL TAKE UP A GOOD SEGMENT OF THAT REAR PARKING LOT.JUST INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
>> IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, THAT PARKING LOT WAS ON
THE LIST. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
>> BUT AGAIN, THERE IS GOING TO BE PRESSURE ON THAT WHETHER THAT CHANGE IS PRIORITIZATION OF HOW WE DO OUR PARKING LOTS, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S SOMETHING I THINK NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A PARTICULARLY BIG DAY. JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
THANK YOU. >> THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, NOW I'M NOT GOING BACK TO DISCUSS THAT.
YOU TALKED ABOUT SIGNS NOT BEING ATTACHED TO TREES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS AGREED TO, THERE ARE 911 MARKER SIGNS THAT ARE INSTALLED THAT ARE APPROVED BY THE CITY.
>> THAT'S VERY EASILY DOABLE AND WE WORK WITH FLOWER MOUND.
>> AND Y'ALL PAY FOR IT? >> YES.
IT'S A LOT OF SIGNS? >> YES, WE PAY FOR A LOT OF SIGNS. THIS STICKER GETS PUT ON WHEN I SHOWED THE SIGN. THE RCP IT A 911 AND A CODE.
>> ONCE A YEAR WE COORDINATE WITH FLOWERMOUND PD.
WE PAY FOR THE SIGNS AND INSTALL THEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE DO A YEARLY CHECK AT MOST OF OUR TRAIL.
>> YOU DID ACTUALLY MENTION, IF YOU CAN PUSH TO THE MAP THAT INCLUDES THE DISC GOLF AND THE TRAIL TOGETHER.
TELL ME WHEN TO STOP. >> SO, GOING BACK UP ONE.
DISC GOLF COURSE ONE. YOU DID ACTUALLY BRING THAT UP.
I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE THAT MOVED.
THAT TRAIL PIECE RIGHT THERE. THAT NEEDS TO GET AWAY FROM THE
SO THERE'S MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
>> WE CAN GO INTO THE TREES. >> AND THEN I ALSO LET'S SEE, NUMBER 9, IT SEEMS TO COME UP THERE AND I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S WITHIN THE TREE LINE OR NOT. JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE AREN'T GETTING BICYCLERS THAT ARE GETTING HIT IN THE HEAD WITH
DISCS. >> WE CAN GO INTO THE TREES THERE TOO. IT'S ALL EASTERN RED CEDARS UP
>> ONE OF THE BIG PIECES WILL BE WHEN WE SITE, WHEN WE FLAG THE TRAIL, REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WORKING WITH CITY STAFF OBVIOUSLY, MAKING SURE THAT AT EACH HOLE.
>> AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING THE TREE LINE TO PROTECT THE BICYCLISTS FROM GETTING HIT WITH DISCS.
IF YOU'RE CONTAINED WITHIN A TREE LINE, YOU SHOULD BE SAFE.
OKAY. THOSE ARE THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAVE. AGAIN, IT WILL NOT DOUBT BE A HUGE ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY AND OBVIOUSLY WE HEARD FROM THE INDIVIDUALS WITH THE DISK GOLF AND THEY HAVE INDICATED THEY BELIEVE IT CAN, IT WILL WORK ITH THEM.
SO, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THE CONCERNS ARE FOCUSED ON IN HOUSE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THIS AND PRIORITIZE IN THE MIDST OF PROJECTS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
ANYONE ELSE? ANY DIRECTIONS FOR US?
WE WAIT TO HEAR FROM YOU. >> THERE'S BEEN SOMEWHAT OF A CONSENSUS I HAVE SEEN. EVERYONE HAS NODDED THEIR HEADS THAT THEY'RE GOOD WITH THIS GOING FORWARD TO DISCUSSING M.O.U.. BUT, IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATING THE TERMS OF M.O.U., WOULDN'T THAT BE --
>> IT'S MOSTLY DONE. THE M.O.U. IS 99.9 PERCENT.
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>> I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING AND PUT THAT UP.
>> THEN IT WILL BE ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
>> ACTUALLY, YEAH, THIS ONE WILL.
TECHNICALLY WILL. YOU WILL SEE THIS M.O.U..
WE SURE APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK Y'ALL.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK STARTED WITH 4 C, TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON AN ORDINANCE IN
[2. EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
REFERENCE TO BRINGING UNPERMITTED STRUCTURES TO COMPLIANCE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.ITEM 2 A, CITY COUNCIL WILL RESUME TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO
[4C. Discuss and provide feedback on an ordinance in reference to bringing unpermitted structures into compliance. ]
IT'S 8:24. NO ACTION TAKEN.WE WILL GO TO 4 C. DISCUSS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON ORDINANCE IN REFERENCE TO BRINGING UNPERMITTED STRUCTURES
INTO COMPLIANCE. >> I INTRODUCED THIS.
COUNCIL MET AND WE WERE LOOKING AT ORDINANCE FOR UNPERMITTED STRUCTURES AT THAT WORK SESSION. THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT AN ORDINANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. AT THAT POINT, THE COUNCIL WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF PURSUING AN ORDINANCE BUT A COUPLE COUNCILMEMBERS AGREED WE WOULD OUTSIDE THE MEETING TRY TO WORK WITH STAFF. I DO WANT TO COMMEND STAFF BECAUSE THEY'RE THOROUGH ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE AND WHAT WAS GOING ON. THEY DID TREMENDOUS WORK AND DUE DILIGENCE. WE COULDN'T QUITE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE RESOLVED THE ISSUE.
SO WE ARE BRINGING BACK A FEW ITERATIONS OF AN ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. SO THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF AN ORDINANCE WHICH ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE PACKET.
THAT HOPE TO ADDRESS A PARTICULAR ISSUE AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY OPEN IT TO DISCUSSION FOR THE COUNCIL.
OR COMMENTS? >> QUESTION TO THE MAYOR PRO-TEM. SINCE THIS IS YOUR AGENDA ITEM, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHICH OF THESE?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, THIS, IF I MAY BE SO BLUNT, PERTAININGS TO ONE PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT A RESIDENT BROUGHT FORTH TO US TO ADDRESS. HIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS SPECIFIC IN NATURE IN TERMS OF THE FACT HE HAD AN ACCESSORY BUILDING WHICH WAS EXPANDED AT SOME POINT THROUGH THE YEARS AND WAS FOUND TO BE NONCOMPLIANT DUE TO A COMPLAINT FROM A NEIGHBOR.
THAT RESULTED IN A BACK AND FORTH SITUATION WHERE HE WAS FORCED TO SEEK A WAIVER FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THEY ULTIMATELY DENIED THE CLAIM BESIDES IT REQUIRES A 4/5TH MAJORITY. HE IS SEEKING RELIEF AT THIS LEVEL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. ALTHOUGH THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE COULD BE APPLIED TO ANYONE IN THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THAT'S MORE CONTEXT THAN IT IS AN OPINION. WHEN WE MET BACK ON JUNE 3RD, BE I BELIEVE IT WAS AND DISCUSSED THIS.
I WAS INTENT ON TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
I'M STILL INTENT ON RESOLVING THE CITY SO LONG IT DOES NOT PUT THE CITY? A HUGELY DISADVANTAGEOUS CITY.
THAT'S UP TO US AS WE HEARD FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY EARLIER.
>> YOU GOT PROMOTED. >> TOO MANY WORDS.
YEAH. I AM JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH AMENDING ORDINANCES FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL IN ANY CASE.
YOU KNOW, AND ALL BECAUSE THIS ORDINANCE OR RECOMMENDED, ONE OF THE THREE WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY RAMIFICATIONS ON THE CITY'S
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INTERESTS, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST, IT'S A BIG NO FOR ME.I GUESS THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT OF WHAT I CAN SAY.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE A SIGNIFICANT LEGAL LIABILITY BY FORCING COMPLIANCE AND THEN REVERSING IT LATER WHICH IS WHAT THIS WOULD DO FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT'S LEGAL. >> I WOULD JUST SAY THAT LEGISLATION IS NARROWLY DRAWN TO APPLY TO SPECIFIC CASES.
THE STATE DOES THAT ALL THE TIME AS WE KNOW.
THAT PART I DON'T THINK IS REALLY AN ISSUE.
I AGREE BASICALLY WITH MAYOR PRO-TEM, WINGET.
I WANT TO FIND A WAY TO RESOLVE THIS SITUATION.
I DO FEEL AS IF THE CITIZEN IN QUESTION GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE MECHANISM. I'M NOT ATTRIBUTING ANY MALICIOUS INTENT OR ANYTHING TO ANYBODY THERE, BUT GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE MECHANISM IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT INSTANCES ALONG THIS PATH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO HELP HIM TO GET AND RELIEF FOR THAT.
SO. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
>> AND I WILL CHIME IN. I CONCUR WITH THAT.
I AM NOT AGAINST REASONABLE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
AS LONG AS THEY DON'T IMPEDE ON PRIVILEGES AND RIGHTS OF THEIR PROPERTY WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO WITHIN REASON.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RESOLUTION TO THIS THAT NOT ONLY IS YOU KNOW KIND OF GETS THIS BEHIND US, BUT FOR ANY OTHER PERSON THIS MAY FALL INTO AS WELL. I KNOW THE CITY OF OUR SIZE SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT UP UNTIL 2019, I'M SURE THERE ARE MORE CASES THAT HAVEN'T COME TO LIGHT.
>> I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER. >> I JUST WANT TO RESPOND REAL QUICK. WHEN LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL, OR ORGANIZATION, IT IS USUALLY INVOLVING SPECIAL INTERESTS. I THINK SOMETHING THIS CITY, OUR STATE AND OUR COUNTRY HAVE SUFFERED FROM.
SO I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE THAT HERE.
I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE THE ORDINANCES ALONE, AND YOU KNOW, PART OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS YOU LOOK OUT FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE THAT KEEP EACH PROPERTY SAFE FROM EACH OTHER. SO, I THINK THAT, THE ORDINANCE IS CORRECT AND I WOULD NOT VOTE TO AMEND IT.
>> ANYONE ELSE? >> HEARD THERE'S ENOUGH THERE.
SAY NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH AN AMENDMENT.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN? >> I HEARD THREE OF US.
>> WELL, I HEARD YOU, YOU. I HEARD JONATHAN.
I HEARD YOU AND I HEARD YOU. DID I NOT HEAR THAT CORRECTLY?
>> I THINK THEY WERE FOUR OF YOU WANTED TO --
>> FOUR OR THREE. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
AND WHAT RELIEF IS THAT? >> WAIT.
I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOUR OPINION IS?
>> WELL, I MEAN, JUST AS A GENERAL RULE, I DON'T LIKE MAKING THESE TYPE OF ORDINANCES THAT CORRECT RETROACTIVELY, I MEAN, THIS IS BEING DRIVEN BY A PARTICULAR SITUATION BUT EVER SITUATION IN THE CITY ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW GETS PULLED INTO THIS. AND THAT'S OVERLY BROAD TO ME.
THE OTHER THING, THIS WILL REQUIRE -- HOW IS THIS -- YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE OPERATION HERE? I MEAN DOES A CITY STAFF WORKER HAVE TO GO OUT AND DETERMINE
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WHAT DATE THIS WAS BUILT IN AND YOU KNOW, ARE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE PUTTING A ONEROUS AMOUNT ON CITY STAFF? THERE'S PARTS OF IT I DO LIKE, BUT AS A, AND YOU KNOW, THE DEALT THINGS HERE IS I THINK WE ALL FOR OUR CITIZENS WANT TO GIVE THEM RELIEF WHERE WE CAN AND THEM OUT.WE'RE NEIGHBORS TOO. WE WANT TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITHOUT JUST COMPLETELY BLOWING UP THE WHOLE PROCESS? I'M ABOUT THE PROCESS, RIGHT? I JUST WORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN WITH THIS.
IT BECOMES OVERLY BROAD. I THINK AND THEN IT BECOMES SO BROAD THAT NOW EITHER REQUIRES AN ONEROUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON THE CITY STAFF TO RESEARCH, TAKE CARE OF AND UNDERSTAND.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, THERE ARE, THE PARTS IN HERE THAT DO TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THESE EXTERIOR WALLS HAVE TO BE FIRE RATED.
I DON'T KNOW. I JUST -- MY PERSONAL, I WOULD
NOT VOTE FOR THIS AS IT SITS. >> WELL, AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, SO, IF I AM SOMEBODY WHO IS OUT THERE WATCHING THIS RIGHT NOW AND I HAVE HAD A SITUATION THAT I HAVE REMEDIED, THEN I HAVE JUST GONE THROUGH ALL THAT REMEDY FOR NOTHING? SO, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S EQUITABLE FOR OTHER
PEOPLE AS WELL. >> OTHER PEOPLE WHO FIT THIS SAME CIRCUMSTANCE WOULD HAVE THE SAME RELIEF.
>> I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS EVEN LEGAL. I REALLY DON'T.
HOW CAN I DECLARE SOMETHING NONCOMFORMING USE, FORCE THEM TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE. THEY TORE DOWN WHAT THEY HAD AND SAY, HOW ABOUT YOU GO BACK TO, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT CONFORMING AND YOU BUILD IT BACK TO CONFORMING LEGAL USE.
THAT DOESN'T EXIST. THAT'S NOT A THING.
WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW IF WE DO THIS.
THERE'S AN EASY OUT. FOLLOW THE LAW.
I GET IT, THERE'S ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS BEEN COMING TO US ABOUT THE ISSUE. I THINK OUR HANDS ARE PRETTY
MUCH TIED HERE. >> I DON'T THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD GIVE US AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS ILLEGAL.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION BECAUSE WE CAN'T.
I MEAN, I HAVE -- IT JUST DOESN'T EXIST.
THIS WAY OF DOING THIS IS NOT REAL.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS TELLING SOMEONE YOU HAVE A NON-CONFORMING USE, TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD BACK A NONCONFORMING USE BECAUSE WE CHANGED OUR MIND. THAT'S NOT A THING ANYWHERE.
THIS IS A ONE-PERSON ISSUE WE ARE GOING TO PUT THIS CITY IN LEGAL LIABILITY EVERY ONE OF US IN LEGAL LIABILITY OF THIS TOWN BECAUSE ONE ISSUE. WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE DOING? I MEAN EXCUSE THE BLUNTNESS, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE.
EIGHT YEARS, NEVER SEEN A SITUATION LIKE THIS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE CITY IN. IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE THOUGH.
DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE CITY IN LEGAL LIABILITY BECAUSE ONE PERSON WANTS US TO.
OR WE CAN END AND HAVE THE VOTE ON IT AND DEAL WITH IT THEN.
PUT IT UP TO A VOTE AND VOTE ON IT.
IS IT ACTION ITEM? >> NOT THIS.
IN A FUTURE AGENDA WE WILL PUT IT UP TO A VOTE.
>> IS ON TOMORROW NIGHT'S AGENDA?
>> REGARDING THE BURDEN ON THE STAFF, I WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE A WAY THAT SOMETHING COULD BE WRITTEN IN THERE THAT WOULD SAY, THAT THE BURDEN TO PROVE THAT IT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO WHATEVER DATE, THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THIS.
WITH ALL OF THIS. THE BURDEN OF PROOF WOULD BE ON
THE PROPERTY OWNER. >> IT STATES THAT.
>> OKAY. BUT NOT WITHSTANDING THERE'S A CERTAIN DEGREE OF VORACITY YOU HAVE TO GIVE WITH THE EVIDENCE.
>> THEY CAN SAY I BUILT IT BEFORE THIS.
>> I WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
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YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S IN THERE.IF YOU GIVE ME A DOCUMENT, WE'RE GOING TO SAY IT'S GOOD.
THAT'S ALL THE POINT I JUST WANT TO MAKE BECAUSE I CERTAINLY CAN'T HAVE STAFF GOING OUT AND REALLY CHECKING HERS BUT LESS VERIFICATION. THAT'S WHY NORMALLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APPLICATION PROCESSES, YOU LAYOUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE PROOF OUR OTHERWISE BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN UNUSUAL CASE. THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DECLARE EXCEPT WHAT YOU SUBMIT. THAT PUTS US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A PRECEDENCE ON WHICH TO RELY FOR THAT PIECE.
>> SO WE CAN JUST -- I THINK I HEARD THERE'S AN INTEREST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE OF THEM. I JUST ASK WHICH ONE THAT IS AND WE CAN HAVE IT ON FOR A VOTE IN A FUTURE MEETING.
>> I THINK THE THIRD ONE IS THE BEST WRITTEN.
>> I CONCUR WITH THE >> THIRD.
>> OKAY. IS THERE ANOTHER ONE WHO SAID
>> OKAY. SO THEN IT WILL BE ON FUTURE
AGENDA AND VOTE ON IT THEN >> ON THE THIRD ONE, IF IT'S OKAY, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL CHANGE.
THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE PROPOSED REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE LEGAL NONCONFORMING STATUS GRANTED SHALL APPLY FROM AFTER THE DATE THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE GRANT FOR THAT PROPERTY OF SUCH LEGAL NON-CONFORMING STATUS.
I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY IN THERE, THAT IS ON OUR AFTER THE DATE OF THE RESTORED STRUCTURE IS COMPLETED.
BECAUSE AT THE VERY LEAST WE DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE GRANTING LEGAL NONCONFORMING STATUS TO SOMETHING THAT HADN'T BEEN BUILT
[5. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR NOVEMBER 19, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ]
THEN, WE CAN DISCUSS THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR TOMORROW NIGHT'S MEETING. ANYONE WANT TO PULL ANYTHING FOR
INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? >> ALL RIGHT.
WITH THAT, IT'S 8:40 ON THE DOT AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
I WILL SEE Y'ALL TOMORROW NIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.