Feb 03, 2025 City Council Work Session

[1.CALL TO ORDER ]

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>> LADIES AND YOU FOR BEING WITH US THIS EVENING, FEBRUARY 3RD, 2025, 6:00 P.M., THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION. AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 551 POINT 071, THIS MEETING MAY BE CONVENED INTO CLOSE EXECUTIVE SECTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON ANY AGENDA HE I AM HERE IN. FOR A PERSON,'S CONVERSATION FORMS AND INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE TABLE AT THE REAR, YOUR LEFT, OF THE ROOM. WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, THERE ARE NO ITEMS ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING. BEFORE WE GET INTO CITIZEN INPUT, I'M GOING TO PUT THE MICS ALL IN DISCUSSION AND WHAT THAT MEANS, YOU WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE TURNED ON IF YOU PRESS RTS, YOU WILL NOT GET TURNED OFF UNTIL YOU PRESS RTS AGAIN. THERE IS NO AUTOMATIC TURNOFF, BE AWARE WITH THAT, THIS IS A WORK SESSION AND

[3.CITIZENS INPUT ]

>> SHELBY COLEMAN, BRALETTE, TEXAS. THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL, MICHAEL ON REQUESTING A DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD IS SIMPLE, SMALL ACTIONS CONTINUE DESPITE TERM LIMITS. THIS IS ABOUT EFFICIENCY, SOMETHING THAT SHOULD RATHER MATTER REGARDLESS OF STAFF QUALITY OR OPINION. THEY SHOULD HAVE A START -- HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH, INSTEAD, THEY SHOULD HAVE DOCUMENTATION AND A GROUP OF INVESTED STAKEHOLDERS TO BRING THEM UP TO SPEED EFFICIENTLY AND MAKING EVERYONE'S JOBS THE. I UNDERSTAND DOCUMENTATION EXISTS , BUT HAS NOT BEEN REVISITED. CONSULTANTS HAVE REPEATEDLY RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES LIKE MAKING MARTIN DRIVE THE ENTRANCE TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, YET, THE STRATEGIES WERE NEVER IMPLEMENTED. STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT THROUGH A BOARD WOULD ENSURE THOSE EFFORTS AND THE MONEY SPENT ON THEM DON'T GO TO WASTE. STUDIES SHOW THAT DOWNTOWNS GENERATE UP TO 10 TIMES MORE TAX REVENUE THAN BIG BOX SHOPPING CENTERS. THEY CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE AND I ENDED -- IDENTITY, NOT EVERYONE SEES A BOARD AS THE BEST APPROACH, BUT I DO ASK THAT WE USE DATA AND EXISTING CITIES THAT HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD AS AN EXAMPLE WHEN WE PRESENT ANY OPTIONS FOR OUR BUSINESS

ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER THIS EVENING IS MICHELLE WALLACE, IF YOU WILL STEP UP TO THE MIC AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, YOU WILL HAVE

THREE MINUTES. >> MICHELLE WALLACE, ROWLETT, TEXAS. I CANNOT BELIEVE HE ONLY SPOKE FOR A MINUTE AND A HALF. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL MORE THAN YOU KNOW, I LOVE ALL OF YOU, SOME MORE THAN OTHERS. I KNOW THIS IS A THANKLESS JOB AND I UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO DO. I AM NOT UP HERE TO COMPLAIN, AM UP HERE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED THIS OLSON GROUP PROPOSAL, THE FIRST STRATEGY AND IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE TO HAVE A LIAISON AND COUNCIL , A BOARD WHO COULD EFFICIENTLY SEE THINGS MOVE FORWARD. NOBODY WANTS CONTROL, NOBODY WANTS TO OVERTHROW THE CITY GOVERNMENT, WE LOVE YOU GUYS, WE DON'T WANT YOUR JOBS. WHAT WE DO WANT TO SEE IS SOMETHING FOSTERED THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN BE PROUD OF. WE WANT OUR TAX BASE TO GROW, WE KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE LIMITED BUDGETS, WE ARE TRYING TO HELP IT THRIVE AND GROW. GUYS? OUR REPUTATION NEEDS TO CHANGE, WE ARE NOT BUSINESS FRIENDLY. WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT AND THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO BE INVOLVED WITH STAKEHOLDERS, BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE COMMUNITY, ALONG WITH YALE'S WISDOM TO MAKE THIS THING TURN AROUND. I AM ASKING YOU, PLEASE, TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON YOUR FIRST AND BEST DECISION TO ADOPT THE PLAN AND TAKE THEIR ADVICE TO CREATE A BOARD. THAT IS ALL!

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, YOU ONLY TOOK ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF TOO. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE

[4A. Discuss Downtown Strategic Plan Implementation. ]

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>> THANK YOU. >> AS YOU GET SET, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THIS ROOM, IT'S A WORK SESSION, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS THIS IS ON THE AGENDA IS BECAUSE OF TIMING. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO GIVE CONTEXT TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE. ALL OF YOU MAY RECALL, WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH NUMEROUS FOLKS IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE DOOR ABOUT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AS STAFF, RIGHT? THERE ARE POLICY DECISIONS FOR YOU TO MAKE, AND THEN THERE IS JUST ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES THAT WE HAVE TO PERFORM. ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS I SAID WHEN I ARRIVED, DOWNTOWN DOES LOOK VERY GOOD. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WAS AN OBJECTIVE THAT WAS STATED NUMEROUS TIMES WAS THAT WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE. I LAID OUT MANY TIMES WITH OUR PLAN WAS, FIRSTLY, TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF DOWNTOWN.

FOUNDATIONAL THINGS, SECONDLY, IT WAS TO BEGIN TO , KIND OF, ADDRESS WHAT WE HEARD FROM STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND OTHERWISE WAS, PERHAPS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL, WHICH IS PARKING. WE ALSO HAVE MENTIONED TO YOU THAT ONCE THAT PARKING PIECE WAS RESOLVED, IN AN APPRECIABLE WAY, THAT WOULD OPEN THE FLOODGATES TO MORE SIGNIFICANT ENHANCEMENTS AND REALLY START TO TURN THE DIAL ON YOUR INVESTMENT VIA THE BOND AND OTHER THINGS. SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO MISTAKE WHY THIS ITEM IS HERE. THIS ITEM IS HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR MANY MONTHS NOW, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MANY OF YOU HERE, ALL OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL ARE AWARE FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS, IT HAS COME TO FRUITION NOT AT OUR TIMING, BUT AT DARTS. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTEXTUALIZE WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, THIS WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE THE CONVERSATION WE WERE GOING TO HAVE WITH YOU BECAUSE WE OWE IT TO YOU, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND NOT HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AT ALL IN ITS ENTIRETY. WITH THAT, BRADY IS GOING TO TAKE UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME AND SHE WILL GO FROM THERE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNSEL, BRITNEY FAR, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE ARE TALKING ALL THINGS DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. WE WILL COVER A NUMBER OF TOPICS HE EVENING, FOCUSING PRIMARILY OF THE INITIAL STATE OF DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. THE TREND -- FOUNDATIONAL WORK THAT HAS TRANSPIRED, THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE EMERGING THEMES FROM THAT DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS STAFF EFFORTS TO INCORPORATE AND IMPLEMENT THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN. WE WILL THEN MOVE INTO THE ENHANCEMENT RANKING EXERCISE THAT WE ASKED YOU TO COMPLETE TO GET FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE LARGE-SCALE ENHANCEMENTS MOVE AND LOOK LIKE IN DOWNTOWN MOVING FORWARD. WE WILL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTIONS. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS, ASK THEM, THIS IS MEANT TO BE A DISCUSSION. I'M GOING TO START BY TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZING DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT DOWNTOWN ROWLETT IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR OVERALL ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES. I AM OFTEN ASKED WHY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT SEEMINGLY DO NOT GO TOGETHER. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THEY DO AND YOU WILL FIND NO BETTER NEXUS POINT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAN IN DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. THAT IS BECAUSE ROWLETT AS A WHOLE IS PRIMARILY BUILT OUT AND WE ARE PRIMARILY BUILT OUT RESIDENTIAL. WE REALLY ONLY HAVE THREE AREAS OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY REMAINING TO US IN THE CITY. SAPPHIRE BAY, NORTH SHORE AND DOWNTOWN ROWLETT.

WHILE DOWNTOWN ROWLETT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ECONOMIC IMPACTS, IT WILL NEVER CREATE THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF A COMMERCIAL CATALYST LIKE SAPPHIRE BAY OR NORTH SHORE.

THAT IS NOT WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT DOWNTOWN ROWLETT, WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT DOWNTOWN ROWLETT, IT IS THE HEARTBEAT OF THIS THE. -- CITY. IT MATTERS SO MUCH TO THE RESIDENCE OF ROWLETT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR, THE THINGS WE CHERISH MOST ABOUT THE CITY IS ITS SMALL TOWN FEEL. I GOT TO TELL YOU, IT IS HARDER AND HARDER TO MAINTAIN A SMALL TOWN FEEL IN A CITY OF 70,000 PEOPLE. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? YOU DO THAT BY INVESTING IN CREATING A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN. BY PUMPING BLOOD INTO THE HEARTBEAT OF YOUR CITY. WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE THAT DOWNTOWN ROWLETT PLAYS NOT JUST TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, BUT

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RELOCATING THE UTILITY BUILDING TOOK AWAY THE PRIMARY REASON PEOPLE COME TO CITY HALL. WE TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THE PRIMARY EVENT HALL TO THE NEW PARK, WHICH WOULD FURTHER DISASSOCIATE THE HUB OF ACTIVITIES FROM OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. WE WERE CONTINUING WITH A PATTERN OF LOW ATTENDANCE EVENTS. INITIALLY CONCEPTUALIZED AND ANALYZED VERY WELL, WERE NOT ANALYZED AND MONITORED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE KEEPING UP WITH TIMES AND TRENDS AND WHAT THE MARKET WANTED. FOR EXAMPLE, LUNCH ON THE LAWN, GREAT CONCEPT. INITIALIZE DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC, TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES. AS THE YEAR PASSED, ATTENDANCE AT THE EVENT DWINDLED DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING, IT WAS ALMOST A PRIVATE FOOD TRUCK CART FOR CITY STAFF. WE KEPT DOING IT, CONTROL COPY, CONTROL PASTE. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO WASH, RINSE AND REPEAT THE SAME EVENTS AND ANTICIPATE DOWNTOWN ROWLETT TO GROW. SO FOUNDATIONAL ENHANCEMENTS HAD TO BE MADE, IT STARTED WITH AN INITIAL IMPROVEMENTS IN INVESTMENTS AND TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO DRIVE VISITORS INTO DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. THAT NEEDED TO OCCUR BEFORE WE EVEN LAUNCHED AS THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN AS A JUMPING POINT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO COVER ALL OF THE AESTHETIC AND FOUNDATIONAL CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN JUST THE LAST 12 TO 18 MONTHS IN DOWNTOWN. SOME OF THESE MAY SEEM VERY BASIC TO YOU AND THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE. THEY WERE NOT BEING DONE, SO THINGS LIKE PRESSURE WASHING CITY HALL IN THE CLOCK TOWER TO REMOVE YEARS OF GRIME AND BUILDUP. PLANTING SOD IN WINTER GRASS ON THE CITY HALL LAWN IN THE DOWNTOWN GREEN AND THEN FERTILIZING THAT GRASS SO IT CONTINUED TO STAY GREEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. FROM A TREE CARE AND MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, NOT JUST TO IMPROVE OVERALL AESTHETICS, BUT VISIBILITY DOWNTOWN. AND THEN, PLANTING NEW TREES DOWNTOWN, PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAILS AS MINUTE AS WHAT COLOR MULCH TO PUT IN THERE SO IT GAVE THAT POP AND SHINE. WE DID A FRESH COAT OF PAINT ON ALL THE LIGHT POSTS, THE FLAGPOLES, UPDATED PAINT IN THE VETERANS PARK PERGOLA.

REPLANTED FLOWERS IN THE MEDIANS, BUT ALSO BY INSTALLING FLOWERPOTS AND HANGING BANNERS AROUND CITY HALL AND INSTALLING FLOWERPOTS AROUND THE FIVE POST. JUST SMALL AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT SHOW THAT A CITY TAKES PRIDE IN ITS DOWNTOWN. THAT WASN'T BEING DONE PREVIOUSLY. BUT THERE IS ALSO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE NOTICED THE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX IS NO LONGER CROOKED. WE HAVE ALSO REPAIRED AND UPGRADED THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THOSE BEAUTIFUL TREES AND FLOWERS THAT WE JUST PLANTED HAVE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABLE PLANT LIFE. WE HAVE UPDATED THE ELECTRICAL IN THE DOWNTOWN GREEN, WHICH HAS BEEN A GAME CHANGER, 18 NEW ELECTRICAL OUTLETS IN THE DOWNTOWN GREEN. WE HAVE ALLOWED MULTI- STRING LEVEL LIGHTS. BASIC WORK, A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TRANSPIRED IN JUST THE LAST 12 TO 18 MONTHS. A FEW EXAMPLES BECAUSE I LOVE PICTURES, JUST TO SEE THE BEFORE AND AFTER. THIS IS THE CITY HALL LAWN BEFORE AND AFTER. THE DOWNTOWN MEDIANS WITH THE FLOWERS BEING PLANTED BEFORE AND AFTER. THE RECONDITIONED PERGOLA AT VETERANS PARK WITH A FRESH COAT OF PAINT. THE NO LONGER CROOKED MUNICIPAL CENTER SIGN. AND THEN, JUST AN OVERALL APPROACH OF HOW WE CONSIDER DOING EVENTS. APPEARANCES MATTER, THIS IS THE CHRISTMAS TREE FROM THE HOLIDAY MAINSTREET FESTIVAL IN 2022, VERSUS WHAT WE PUT OUT FOR 2024. BEFORE I MOVE INTO THE NEXT SECTION, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONAL WORK THAT HAS OCCURRED IN THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF? ALL

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I'M GOING TO START WITH POLICY, THAT IS BECAUSE POLICY IS WIDE-RANGING. POLICY SETS THE RULES OF THE GAME AS IT IS PLAYED IN DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. WE HAVE POLICIES THAT NOT HAVE BEEN READ VISITED FOR SOME TIME. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN A FULL-SCALE LOOK AT THAT POLICY AND IS ACTUALLY BRINGING PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THIS COUNSEL TOMORROW NIGHT. TWO OF THE CHANGES WE ARE PROPOSING WORTH HIGHLIGHTING AS THEY PERTAIN TO DOWNTOWN ROWLETT ARE THE SEPARATION OF THE GREASE TRAP REBATE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO MATCH UP TO $7500 FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW GREASE TRAP AT A NEW RESTAURANT OR TO ALLOW ONE OF OUR EXISTING RESTAURANTS TO REDEVELOP AND EITHER EXPAND OR JUST UPDATE THEIR GREAT GREASE TRAP .

ANOTHER THING IS THE DOWNTOWN FACADE FOR THE DOWNTOWN CORE BUSINESSES. THE DOWNTOWN CORE WAS DOWN OUTLINED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IT ALLOWS US TO MATCH 50%, UP TO $5000 FOR BUSINESSES IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE WHO WISH TO GIVE A FACELIFT TO THEIR DOWN TOWN FACADE. THIS WILL BE BROUGHT TO COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERATION TOMORROW, WE CAN GET INTO FULL-SCALE CHANGES, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT NOW? ANOTHER CODE IN THIS INSTANCE THAT NEEDED TO BE REVISED WAS THE FORM-BASED CODE, LAST REVISED IN 2013. OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN HARD AT WORK AT THEIR RECODE ROW LED EFFORTS AND WILL ACTUALLY BE BRINGING AN UPDATE TO THIS COUNSEL AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE FORM-BASED CODE CAN BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO DOWNTOWN. AFTER POLICY, IT IS IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT PARKING AND MOBILITY. AS A CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, SINCE WE GOT HERE, WE HAVE HEARD THAT THERE IS A PARKING PROBLEM IN DOWNTOWN. THAT IT IS INHIBITING ACCESS TO EXISTING DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, IMPEDING NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND IT MAY BE A REASON FOR SOME OF THE DECLINE IN SPECIAL EVENTS DUE TO LIMITED PARKING. WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT PROVIDED AMPLE PARKING SPACES AT A COST-EFFECTIVE METHOD TO THE CITY AND A VIABLE SOLUTION FOR THE RESIDENTS OF DOWNTOWN ROW LET. TOMORROW, WE WILL ALSO BE BRINGING TO THE SPOTTY CONSIDERATION OF A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE NEGOTIATED WITH DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT. WHEN THE CITY MANAGER FIRST APPROACHED APPROACHED ME ABOUT A SHARED PARKING PROGRAM AT D.A.R.T., I LEFT IN HIS FACE. D.A.R.T. DOES NOT OWN A WHOLE LOT OF PROPERTY. THEY ARE VERY PROTECTIVE OF THE LIMITED PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN AND I DID NOT THINK IN 1 MILLION YEARS THAT THEY WOULD LET THEIR PARKING LOT GO. I WILL ADMIT WHEN I AM WRONG AND I WAS WRONG. D.A.R.T. HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER ON THIS. THE AGREEMENT WILL BRING FORWARD TOMORROW ALLOWS UNFETTERED PUBLIC ACCESS TO ALL 750 SPACES OF THE DOWNTOWN ROWLETT LIGHT-RAIL STATION FOR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, SPECIAL EVENTS, FOR WHATEVER BECAUSE, AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT WITH D.A.R.T., WE NEGOTIATED IN WRITING THAT WE CAN MARKET THAT PARKING TO THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC USE. THIS WAS DONE STRATEGICALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT SOLVED A PROBLEM, COULD INCREASE DEVELOPMENT, NOW BUSINESSES CAN POINT TO THE D.A.R.T. STATION WHEN APPLYING FOR PARKING VARIANCES, BUT TO

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I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE VIABILITY AND COST AROUND THE D.A.R.T. PARKING LOT, JUST FOR CONTEXT. IF YOU GO TO THE WALMART IN ROWLETT AND PARK IN WHAT IS CONSIDERED MIDRANGE PARKING AND WALK FROM THAT PARKING LOT TO THE BACK OF WALMART, THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 591 FEET. IF YOU GO TO TARGET AND PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PARKING LOT AND WALK FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BACK OF TARGET, YOU HAVE WALKED ABOUT 567 FEET. FROM THE DOWNTOWN ROWLETT LIGHT-RAIL STATION TO THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN ROWLETT IS APPROXIMATELY 715 FEET. BY THE TIME YOU HAVE WALKED FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BACK OF TARGET, BACK TO YOUR CAR, YOU HAVE GONE FURTHER THAN YOU WOULD TO GET TO THE DOWNTOWN CORE. IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING THE COST EFFICIENCY OF THIS OPTION. OUR FRIENDS TO THE NORTH IN FRISCO JUST SHELLED OUT $26 MILLION FOR A NEW PARKING GARAGE, WHICH WILL CONSIST OF 450 SPACES. IF YOU DO THE MATH, THAT IS ABOUT $40,000 PER PARKING SPACE. WHEN WE FIRST CAME TO THE CITY OF ROWLETT, THERE WAS TALK OF INVESTING $8 MILLION IN A PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN. NOT ONLY DOES THAT TAKE UP THE LIMITED, VALUABLE REAL ESTATE THAT WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN, THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 200 PARKING SPACES. TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT, YOU GET 750 SPACES AT NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE CITY , 715 FEET AWAY. WE ARE NOT ONLY LEVERAGING OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH D.A.R.T., WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THEM TO LEVERAGE OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN. TAKING CERTAIN PROJECTS IN-HOUSE AND RE-APPROPRIATING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION INVESTMENT FUNDS.

LOOKING FOR WAYS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN DOWNTOWN. WHETHER THAT IS IMPROVING CONNECTIVITY TO THE DOWNTOWN CORE, ADDITIONAL WAYFINDING SIGNAGE, ALL OF THIS IS PART OF OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH D.A.R.T. AS THEY WORK TO BE A BETTER PARTNER TO US. FINALLY, PLACE MAKING. PLACE MAKING IS ONE OF THOSE PLANTER BUZZWORDS THAT CAN MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WE ARE DEFINING PLACE MAKING IN DOWNTOWN ROWLETT AS THREE THINGS. ATTRACTING VISITORS, ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT, AND STRENGTHENING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND BUSINESS PARTNERS.

LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ATTRACTING VISITORS. DOWNTOWN ROWLETT IS ON AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY. SINCE 2018, THE NUMBER OF DOWNTOWN VISITORS HAVE INCREASED ALMOST 18%. IN 2024, WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF VISITORS TO DOWNTOWN ROW LET -- ROWLETT , 5% INCREASE FROM 2023. ESTIMATED 25 1/2 THOUSAND BILLERS -- VISITORS. THE NUMBERS CONTINUE TO RISE. HOW ARE WE ATTRACTING VISITORS TO DOWNTOWN? BY CREATING DESTINATIONS, BY MAKING ROWLETT A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO. HOW DO YOU CREATE DESTINATIONS? WE STARTED BY INVENTORYING THE VENTS -- EVENTS WE ALREADY HAVE ON, WHAT COULD BE TWEAKED? WHAT COULD BE MARRIED TOGETHER FOR A GREATER RESULT? IN 2022, THE CITY OF ROWLETT HAD 28 WEEKS OF FARMERS MARKETS, EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT, FROM 530 -- 5:30 TO 8:30, IT RAN ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF JUNE, WHERE IT WAS 100 DEGREES. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE TURNOUT FOR THOSE FARMERS MARKETS WAS NOT THAT GREAT. THROUGH NO FAULT OF EFFORTS BY THE CITY, IS JUST THE WAY WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE THINGS.

COMPARE THAT WITH THE FRIDAY NIGHT GROOVES CONCERT SERIES, WHICH HAD A PRETTY DECENT TURNOUT, BUT IT COULD BE BETTER.

WHAT IF WE MARRIED THE FARMERS MARKET WITH THE FRIDAY NIGHT GROUP SERIES AND CREATED A NEW PROGRAM CALLED LIVE ON MAINE? WE PILOTED THAT AS THE FINAL SERIES AND THE FRIDAY NIGHT SERIES AND SAW ATTENDANCE TRIPLE. THE VENDORS LOVED IT, THE RESIDENTS LOVED IT, IT IS A CONCEPT WE WILL CONTINUE THROUGH 2025 BECAUSE WE ARE NOT AFRAID TO TRY NEW THINGS. AND SEE WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T. HOPEFULLY SOME OF YOU GOT A TASTE OF THAT ON FRIDAY AT THE LUNAR NEW YEAR CELEBRATION. IN ADDITION TO IMPLANTING EXISTING PROGRAMS, WE ARE ALSO TRYING NEW THINGS. WE BROUGHT OVER 8000 VISITORS TO DOWNTOWN ROWLETT JUST TO VISIT THE ICE RINK. PEOPLE WHO HAD NEVER BEEN TO ROWLETT, THEY HAD

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THEY ARE REBRANDING BOTH PROJECTS THE OASIS, BUT SAME CONCEPT. HIGH INCOME CONDOS WITH RETAIL SPACE ON THE BOTTOM. WE HAVE THE HUB RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON MAIN STREET, ONE OF THE VACANT GAPS WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN, SHARE OF WORKING SPACE, COFFEE BAR, DELI COMING IN. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE, 45,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL , RESTAURANT AND ENTERTAINMENT. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE FIRST ROWLETT METHODIST CHURCH , ON THE PRECIPICE OF SELLING THEIR VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, AS WELL AS CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE WHO ARE READY TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN. WE ARE WORKING WITH HERMAN MARSHALL WHISKEY TASTING ROOM, WHO JUST ANNOUNCED THEIR SECOND PROPOSED LOCATION IN DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. EXCITING THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

REGARDING COMMUNITY AND BUSINESS ENGAGEMENT, OUR BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT GIVE A PUBLIC SHOUT OUT TO MY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR HIS EFFORTS IN THIS. IT IS WORTH POINTING OUT THAT IN FISCAL YEAR '22, WITH THE FULL-TIME DEDICATED STAFF TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING A FULL-TIME PERSON ASSIGNED TO THE DOWNTOWN CORE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED 50 REDUCTION AND EXPANSION VISITS. IN FISCAL YEAR '24, JUST CHARLES AND MYSELF, WE HAD THAT NUMBER TOO. I MERELY JUST CHARLES, BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO UP THOSE NUMBERS. IT IS JUST NOT THE BE BRE THAT WE ARE DOING, WE ARE CONSTANTLY COMMUNICATING ABOUT UP DOWN OPPORTUNITIES. WE HAD THE GREAT PLEASURE TO WALK UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET NOT ONCE FOR HOLIDAY MAIN STREET FESTIVAL, BUT TWICE AND WE HAD TO RESCHEDULE IT. WE ARE ALSO PARTNERING WITH THE LOCAL DOWNTOWN TOWN BUSINESSES AT VARIOUS EVENTS AND PROGRAMS. IF YOU HARKEN BACK TO THE TOTAL ECLIPSE WATCH PARTY, WHICH SEEMS LIKE FOREVER AGO, BUT WAS ACTUALLY IN 2024, THAT OCCURRED ON A MONDAY. OUR TWO BIGGEST RESTAURANTS, OUR ONLY TWO RESTAURANTS IN DOWNTOWN ROW LET -- ROWLETT, ARE BOTH CLOSED FOR LUNCH ON MONDAY. THROUGH OUR RELATIONSHIP, WE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND SAID HEY, WE ARE DOING A PRETTY LARGE EVENT ON MONDAY AND YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER OPENING YOUR DOORS FOR LUNCH THAT DAY AND THEY BOTH DID TO TREMENDOUS EXCESS. BIGHEAD BREWING WAS A SPONSOR, BLOOMS AND BREWS CAME TO SELL HOT CHOCOLATE FOR THE ICE RINK AND OTHER DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES HAVE REACHED OUT TO US, HOW CAN WE GET INVOLVED? THAT IS ALL FOR THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE BEEN FORMING WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS THEY IMPLEMENT NEW DOWNTOWN BUSINESS COUNCIL. WHICH IS COMPRISED OF BOTH CHAMBER MEMBERS AND NON-CHAMBER MEMBERS TO PROVIDE STRATEGIC DIRECTION AND INPUT ON WHAT HAPPENS IN DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. EVERYTHING FROM MARKETING INITIATIVES TO BUILDING SYNERGISTIC APPROACHES AMONG THE BUSINESSES, TO RECAPPING THEIR EXPERIENCES FOR OUR DOWNTOWN EVENTS. AS A CITY LIAISON TO THAT, WE WILL HEAR FIRSTHAND FROM BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN AND ALL OF ROWLETT IN WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE DOWNTOWN ROWLETT TO BE. I HAVE SHARON AND JONATHAN FROM THE CHAMBER, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO THEM, AS IT IS THEIR PROGRAM. BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE ENHANCEMENT RANKING, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN?

>> QUICK QUESTION, SO FAR THIS IS GREAT, ON THE TRACKING OF

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>> GREAT QUESTION, WE HAVE ACTUALLY PURCHASED A NEW TECHNOLOGY SOFTWARE CALLED PLACER AI WHICH USES CELL PHONE DATA FOR TRACKING. A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES DO IT, THE STARS ARE SEVEN MINUTES OR MORE. IT IS AN ESTIMATE BASED ON CELL PHONE DATA, EVENTS WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS, A LOT OF THEM WILL BE

KIDS ON THE CELL PHONE. >> CAN YOU JUST FLESH OUT A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS COUNCIL, HOW THAT IS SET UP, WHAT THEIR TRUE OBJECTIVE IS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT TO BE PUT IN PLACE OR SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY ACTIVE?

>> IS SOMETHING THEY ARE PUTTING IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, IT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, I WILL HAVE TO ASK THE CHAMBER FOR SPECIFICS ON THE PROGRAM.

>> OKAY, THANKS. >> BRITNEY, I THINK IT WAS QUITE COOL TO GET THE D.A.R.T. SPACES, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. I THINK, PROBABLY, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE MAY BE WONDERING , HOW WAS THAT NEGOTIATED OR WHAT DOES D.A.R.T. GET OUT OF THAT? HOW DID WE CONVINCE THEM TO DO THAT?

>> I THINK THAT IS FOR ME TO ADDRESS, SINCE I AM THE ONE WHO INCREMENTED THE PROGRAM. THE SHORT ANSWER, D.A.R.T. IS NOT GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF THAT, JUST GOODWILL THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE NOT PROMISED ANYTHING, THIS IS NOT A QUID PRO QUO, WHAT I EXPRESSED TO THEM WAS BACK TO FAVOR MARK MARGOLIS AND, WE HAD A PROBLEM, THEY HAD A SOLUTION AND IF THEY WANTED TO BE GOOD PARTNERS, WE NEEDED IT. I HAVE A LONG-STANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH D.A.R.T., I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WENT INTO IT, SHORT ANSWER, THEY ARE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FROM IT BUT GOODWILL AND GOOD PARTNERSHIP

FROM THE CITY. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO

HEAR. >> I HAD A QUESTION.

>> AWESOME, 8000 VISITORS FOR THE ICE RINK, SO IF WE ARE USING THIS, THE AI FOR HOW MANY VISITORS WE ARE HAVING IN DOWNTOWN, HOW DID WE TRACK IT BEFORE THE AI? DID WE KNOW?

>> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. PLACER AI HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME, WE CAN PULL DATA FROM AS EARLY AS 2018 USING

THE SAME TECHNOLOGY. >> GREAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

THAT, PLEASE. >> SPECIFICALLY, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE, SO WE CAN PREPARE IT?

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THE RELEVANT DATA SINCE 2018.

>> FOR WHICH AREA? WHISKEY FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

>> VISITORS? I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU WHAT WE WANT, THE CHART THAT WE HAD HERE? WE CAN SEND THAT TO YOU.

>> OR, MAYBE, OVER THE TIME, THE YEARS, AND IF WE CAN ALSO SEE,

BY THE MONTH. MONTH-TO-MONTH. >> WE CAN DO THAT.

>> OKAY, AWESOME! >> NOW THE FUN PART! NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE ENHANCEMENTS RANKING EXERCISE AND DISCUSSION, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS THE FINAL PIECE OF A PLAN THAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT BY THE CITY MANAGER SINCE HE CAME TO ROWLETT. HE HAS DISCUSSED THIS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF YOU, BUT REALLY, IT WAS A FOUR-POINT PLAN. THE FIRST WERE THE FOUNDATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN THIS PRESENTATION, AND THEN, THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN, EFFORT AND ADOPTION. THE FINAL PIECE BEFORE HE MOVED INTO THE LARGE-SCALE ENHANCEMENTS WAS SECURING THAT D.A.R.T. SHARED PARKING. WE CAN START THIS AS A JUMPING OFF POINT FOR WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK TO DO THAT. SO WE PROVIDED NINE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF CATEGORIES FOR DOWNTOWN ENHANCEMENTS AND ASKED YOU ALL TO RANK THOSE FROM YOUR LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE, ONE THROUGH NINE, ONE BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT. I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THE RESULTS. SO THE CHART IS, IT IS LIKE GOLF, THE LOWER THE NUMBER, THE BETTER. BUT THE TOP THREE, OVERWHELMINGLY, LIGHTING WAS YOUR PREFERRE NUMBER ONE CHOICE, FOLLOWED BY SEATING AND THEN BRANDING. WE GOT SHADE SALES AT NUMBER FOUR, ENTRY ARCH MONUMENT TATIAN AT NUMBER FIVE, WAYFINDING AT NUMBER SIX, A VERY CLOSE TIE FOR TRADITIONAL MONUMENT TATIAN AND PUBLIC ART AT SEVEN AND THEN PULL BANNERS OF THE SEVEN . WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY SO I CAN SHOW YOU THE EXAMPLES AND WHAT YOU SELECTED AS YOUR TOP THREE. WE WILL START WITH BRANDING. BY WAY OF REMINDER, THIS IS THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN ROWLETT BRAND. DEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH COUNSEL AND STAFF IN 2013, RIGHT BEFORE I CAME ON BOARD. THIS IS THE LOGO AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, WE ASK

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LOGO? >> BRITNEY, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THIS LOGO WAS DEVELOPED IN 2023 OR 2013?

>> 2023. >> SAID 2013, JUST WANTED TO BE

SURE. >> I'M SORRY, OVER CAFFEINATED.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT BACK ON THE DOWNTOWN BRAND. THE OVERALL CONSENSUS IS, IT'S OKAY. WHAT WE ARE HERE TO ASK YOU TODAY, THIS WHERE THE CONVERSATION REALLY PICKS UP IS, IS IT OKAY? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTING A DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN, WE TAKE WITH US? OR IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO REVISIT? SO I WILL STOP TALKING AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE DOWNTOWN BRAND.

>> COUNSEL, WITH THAT PROMPT IN MIND, WHAT WE THINK ABOUT A DOWNTOWN BRAND? I'M HAPPY TO CALL OUT MY COMMENT, THE COMMENT ON THE LOWER LEFT OF THE SCREEN, IT'S FINE, IT'S AN OKAY LOGO, I DON'T THINK IT HAS THAT WOW FACTOR THAT MAKES YOU GO, THAT'S PRETTY COOL. IT DOES HAVE SOME HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, BUT I DO THINK WE COULD TIE SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE BANQUET HIGHWAY. THAT IS, KIND OF, MY TWO CENTS. USE THAT AS A SHOOTING OFF POINT, PLEASE.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WOW FACTOR, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A LOGO SPECIFIC TO DOWNTOWN, SEPARATE FROM THE OVERALL CITY LOGO. MY COMMENT WAS THE ONE IN THE UPPER RIGHT, WHICH WAS, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF IT, I WAS IN THE MINORITY WHEN IT WAS CHOSEN. WE DID HAVE SOME OTHER SELECTIONS AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT I THOUGHT WERE BETTER, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, PROBABLY, WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND NEW THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE OF THAT WHACK -- WOW FACTOR. THE CURRENT LOGO IS A BIT OUTDATED AND THE BABY BLUE COLOR WITH A WHITE, I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF ROW LEFT OR DOWNTOWN ROWLETT.

>> THANK YOU, BRITTANY. MY COMMENTS WERE IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER, IT'S OKAY, IT IS KIND OF LIKE OUR MOTTO, I THINK 400 TOWNS IN TEXAS HAVE OUR MOTTO, IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING PUNCHED UP, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. DEB MADE A COMMENT ABOUT HAVING SEPARATE LOGOS, I'M SURE THEY WILL SPEAK, SOMEBODY ELSE DID TOO, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC DOWNTOWN LOGO THAT IS DOWNTOWN BRANDING. FOR ME, AT LEAST THE DESIGN ELEMENTS, THAT CAN BE USED IN OVERALL CITY BRANDING. IT WOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFERENT BRANDS, BUT THEY WOULD TIE TOGETHER, COMMONALITY BETWEEN THEM. I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. IT WOULD SEEM LIKE HAVING THAT TIE-IN WOULD BE A GOOD THING. IT'S NOT A HORRIBLE LOGO, NOT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO CATCH THE WORLD ON FIRE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD START, BUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO -- WE ARE IN THE PLANNING STAGE RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THE CREATIVE FOLKS ON OUR STAFF ARE ABLE TO COME UP WITH OTHER EYE-POPPING OR THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WE CAN GO. I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER CONTINUING TO DEVELOP LOGOS AND

SEE WHERE WE GO WITH IT. >> I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE ICONOGRAPHY, BUT THE COLOR SCHEME AND TYING IT INTO THE LARGER CITY LOGO AS IT EXISTS. WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SHOWN YOU ONE THAT WAS TIED INTO THE COLOR SCHEME BECAUSE WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL, THE COLOR PALETTE TIES INTO THE CURRENT CITY COLOR PALETTE. THAT IS PART OF THE STYLE GUIDE THAT WE HAVE, JUST A YOU KNOW THAT THOSE ELEMENTS DO TIE IN ALTOGETHER.

AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE IMAGE.

>> I WAS THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, MY PREFERENCE IS THAT WE HAVE ONLY ONE CITY LOGO, AND I FEEL THAT WAY BECAUSE WE ARE ONE CITY. I MIGHT AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP THAT IT PERHAPS COULD BE ONE CITY LOGO WITH A LITTLE DOWNTOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE ONE LOGO THAT REPRESENTS EVERYTHING, WHETHER IT IS PARKS AND RECREATION OR WHATEVER IT IS. I WOULD LIKE TO

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>> I WAS THE MIDDLE COMMENT, THE WATER TOWER BRANDING IS FINE, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS. IF THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS, I MIGHT LIKE SOMETHING BETTER. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP AND BOWERS, THIS DID CUT OFF MY COMMENT, MAYBE IN THE XL SPREADSHEET WELL, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T SEE IT, I DO THINK DOWNTOWN SHOULD HAVE A DISTINCT IDENTITY, BUT IT SHOULD BE, PERHAPS, DOWNTOWN WITH THE SAME LOGO WE USE ACROSS ALL CITY I ASSETS, SO IT IS DISTINCT BUT THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD. I THINK WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING A BRAND, TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BRANDS AND LOOKS IS TOO MUCH WORK. MAYBE I AM WRONG, BUT THAT IS THE WAY I LOOK AT THAT. IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO SAY, HERE IS ROWLETT AND HERE IS DOWNTOWN ROWLETT. TO THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE GOT YOUR FULL COMMENT, I JUST CAN FIT IT

IN THE BOX. >> I PRETTY MUCH ECHO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS. I THOUGHT THE LOGO WAS FINE, BUT IF WE ARE TRYING TO BE DISTINCTIVE, IF WE ARE TRYING TO FIND THE BRAND, WHAT IS THE CULTURE IN ROWLETT, FINE IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT. GET NEEDS TO POP, NOT JUST COLORS, I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAND OUT.

WITH REGARDS TO HAVING ONE LOGO, I'M NOT WITH A PROBLEM WITH TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM BE VERY COMPLEMENTARY OF EACH OTHER. SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TWO DISTINCT LOGOS.

>> TO BE CLEAR, TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT LOGOS, I MEANT, DON'T JUST USE THE ONE OR DOWNTOWN. I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THEY NEED TO BE RELATED. WHAT I'M THINKING OR WHAT I AM SEEING FROM THIS CONVERSATION IS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE TO USE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO, BUT CONTINUE TO USE OUR CURRENT CITYWIDE LOGO, I THINK THAT SAME FONT IN THE SWOOSH COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DOWNTOWN

LOGO. >> THIS IS A DANGEROUS QUESTION BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT, IS IT WORTH REVISITING, IF WE WANT A LOGO , A BRAND THAT MATCHES THE DOWNTOWN AND CITY LOGO, DO WE JUST BRING BACK NEW -- WHAT'S -- IS IT WORTH BRINGING BACK NEW LOGOS IN GENERAL? OR DO YOU WANT US TO CONCEPTUALIZE SOME BRAND LOGOS AND BRING THEM BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING? BESTIE LET ME OFFER, SLOW DOWN. THAT IS AN EXERCISE THAT WOULD STIFLE EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING. IT IS AND TO IGNORE THOSE COMMENTS THAT, MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE ROWLETT LOGO, BUT WE NEED TO BRING THE CONVERSATION BACK TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, BEING ABLE TO MOVE DOWNTOWN IN WHATEVER WAY WE DECIDE TO DO IT.

WHAT I WOULD OFFER, WHAT WE ARE HEARING, YOU ARE NOT REALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAVE, IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? IT'S OKAY, BUT REALLY, THE DECISION POINT WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS TO LOGO OR NOT TO LOGO AND WE NEED TO KNOW IF THERE IS ENOUGH SATISFACTION WITH THIS LOGO BECAUSE HOWEVER WE GO FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE THE BRAND. THAT IS KIND OF WHY WE PUT IT HERE, WE DEBATED TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT KIND OF FELT OBVIOUS, YOU JUST CHOSE IT A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. ON THE OTHER HAND, MAYBE YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH IT. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IT SEEMS LIKE, MAYBE, YOU WEREN'T. THE THING WE WANT TO TRY TO TAKE AWAY, DO WE WANT TO ENGAGE IN ANOTHER BRANDING EXERCISE FOR DOWNTOWN? WHATEVER THAT ENDS UP BEING, IF IT IS JUST A SINGULAR LOGO, THE ROWLETT LOGO WITH THE DOWNTOWN UNDERNEATH, INTERRELATED LOGO, PERHAPS, A BIT DISTINCTIVE ON ITS OWN. WE CAN FIGURE THAT PART OUT, I THINK WHAT I NEED A COUPLE OF NODS ON, DO YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE TO USE THE BRAND AS EXISTS TODAY OR WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO TRY TO QUICKLY ENGAGE IN EXERCISE, HOWEVER THAT PROCEEDS? LOOKING AT ANOTHER

BRANDING CONSIDERATION. >> PERSONALLY, I AM FINE WITH USING WHAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS TO GO SPIN OFF, LOOKING FOR ANOTHER LOGO AND WE LOSE TRACTION, WE SPIN AROUND THE WHEELS AND LOSE SOME VALUABLE TIME. FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT OF MOVING THE DOWNTOWN FORWARD.

>> LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. IT WAS RAISED, I CAN'T REMOVE OR BY WHOM, SO FORGIVE ME, IF WE JUST HAD ROWLETT, OUR CURRENT

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>> I LIKE THAT. >> WE WILL WORK SOMETHING UP WITH A GRAPHIC ARTIST AND BRING THOSE INTO THIS DISCUSSION AS WE MOVE FORWARD SO THAT YOU HAVE OPTIONS, WOULD THAT BE FAIR?

>> YEAH, KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON SAID.

I DO NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN ANYTHING BUT JUST STARTS DRAGGING THIS THING DOWN. EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME TO HEAR WHAT WE ARE HEARING RIGHT NOW AND IT AIN'T THAT BAD A. 'THAT IS A SIMPLIFIED METHOD THAT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE PARALLEL TRACKS.

>> ALL RIGHT, TAKE US FORWARD, BRITTANY.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. MOVING INTO LIGHTING, BY WAY OF REMINDER, I WILL SEND YOU THE EXAMPLES WE SENT TO YOU. WE TRY TO CAPTURE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENCE PILES OF LIGHTS, DIFFERENT THEMES, DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL DIVINE DESIGNS, THESE WERE THE FIRST SIX AND THEN, THE REMAINING OPTIONS. SO THESE WERE YOUR TOP THREE, THANK YOU FOR BEING CONSISTENT BECAUSE WHAT WE SEE HERE, IF THERE IS ANYTHING WE ARE MISSING, PLEASE INTERJECT. WE ARE TRYING TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT STRING STYLE, CAFE LIGHTS, ATTACHED TO POLES, CRISSCROSSING THE CITY. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE GENERAL DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO HEAD IN WITH REGARDS TO LIGHTS. IS THERE ANYTHING I HAVE MISSTATED OR ANYTHING MISSING FROM THAT AS WE FURTHER REFINE THESE TO BRING

BACK TO YOU? >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. SO WE DO HAVE MONEY FOR LIGHT POLES, RIGHT? IS THAT GOING TO BE

INCORPORATED IN THIS? >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION FIRSTLY, YES, WE DO.

IN FACT, WE WILL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION ON THE 17TH TO DISCUSS STREETLIGHTS, PART OF THE PROJECT THAT IS BOND FUNDED, BOTH ON 66TH, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL CORE DOORS, THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR THIS, IT DOESN'T NECESSARLY HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE BOND. THEMATICALLY, YOU WOULD ASK FROM A STREETLIGHT PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU WANT A SEPARATE IDENTITY DOWNTOWN? TO ANSWER IT, YES, SIR, WE DO. THESE ARE MORE AMBIENT TYPE, MOOD LIGHTS. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, DO WE NEED TO OPEN UP THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDITIONAL STREETLIGHTING DOWNTOWN? WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION COMING ON STREETLIGHTS THAT IS SEPARATE AND SCHEDULED FOR THE 17TH, BUT WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS MORE OF THE ENHANCEMENTS OF -- OKAY GOT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE UNDERSTANDING.

>> CHARACTER RELATING. ALL RIGHT, MOVING INTO SEATING.

AGAIN, DIFFERENT OPTIONS, DIFFERENT MATERIALS, DIFFERENT LOOKS WE ARE PRESENTED TO YOU. AGAIN, BASED ON YOUR RANKING, VERY CONSISTENT, YOU CLEARLY HAVE AN AFFINITY FOR THE NATURAL, WARM WOOD EXTERIORS WITH METAL ACCENTS, SO OUR QUESTION IS, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS THAT YOU LIKE? THE FEEL OF THE WORD? THE LOOK OF IT? VINYL COATING THAT LOOKS LIKE WOOD? WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS IN CHOOSING YOUR TOP SELECTIONS, WHAT HAVE WE PICKED UP FROM THAT AND WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE MISSED AS WE WORK TO FURTHER REFINE SEATING SELECTIONS FOR

YOU? >> I THOUGHT THESE LOOKED CLASSIER, THE ONES WITH THE MULTICOLORED PAINTING, THEY WERE TOO BUSY FOR ME. THEY WERE GOOD FOR, LIKE, CHILDREN'S AREA, BUT NOT FOR THE OVERALL DOWNTOWN LOOK TO ME. THESE ARE VERY TRADITIONAL, THEY ARE CLASSIC AND THEY ARE WELCOMING BECAUSE THE WARMTH OF THE WOOD, I THINK, IS VERY WELCOMING.

>> GREAT, THANK YOU. >> I WILL MAKE ONE COMMENT. FOR ME, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS DOWNTOWN IS HEAT IN SUMMER. IT IS HOT, HOT, ALL SUMMER. I KNOW WE WILL TALK ABOUT SHADE AND OTHER THINGS, I TEND TO GO WITH WOOD MATERIALS PRIMARILY TO DEB 'S POINT, IT LOOKS GOOD, IT FITS THE CHARACTER DOWNTOWN, FOR ME IT WAS MORE PRACTICAL AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN SIT ON

AT 3:00 ON JULY 14TH, MAYBE. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ONE I THINK THAT IS MISSING OFF OF HERE THAT I'M SURPRISED WASN'T SELECTED WAS PHOTO NUMBER SIX, IF YOU COULD GO BACK ONE SLIDE, JUST WANT TO CALL IT OUT. IT IS SIMILAR IN DESIGN TO NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, BUT IT IS BRANDED. HAVING THAT BRANDING ON THERE, I THINK, MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MAKING A DESTINATION, HAVING BRANDIN OF YOUR DOWNTOWN SPACE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I'M SURE IT GETS ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE OF THE PHOTO, THE FRAMING IS NOT IDEAL, THAT WAS ONE OF MY VOTES, THE REASON IT WAS THERE WAS

BECAUSE OF THAT PURPOSE. >> CAN I ASK A FOLLOW-UP

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>> I THINK, DEFINITELY. FOR ME, NUMBER THREE IS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE OF THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IT HAS IN TERMS OF WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR. ONE AND TWO ARE CLEARLY JUST SEATS, NUMBER THREE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF SEATING THAT CAN BE USED FOR OUTDOOR SPACE, OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, YOU CAN EAT ON IT, IT JUST HAS FAR MORE APPLICABILITY THAN JUST ONE AND TWO, WHICH IS LITERALLY JUST A PLACE TO SIT.

>> OR IS THERE ANY REASON WE CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE OF THESE? I THINK TWO AND THREE WOULD GO TOGETHER WELL, I LIKE THREE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A BACK. SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT A BACK TO LEAN AGAINST, THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN WITH

THREE. IT LOOKS GREAT. >> I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THREE, I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE BENCH IN THE BACKGROUND, IT IS A WHOLE DESIGN, RIGHT? IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, TO YOUR POINT. IT ALSO HAS A STANDALONE TABLE BACK THERE WITH A COUPLE OF CHAIRS, STANDALONE CHAIRS. ALL OF THAT INTEGRATED TOGETHER MAKES THAT

MY TOP PICK. WITH BRANDING. >> LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION OF THE COUNCIL, THE VOTE TALLY WAS WHAT IT WAS, YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT WAS COMPLETELY VALID, MAYBE, THE BRANDING ELEMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE ARE TRYING TO REFINE THIS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU, AS A GROUP, WOULD LIKE TO SEE US INCORPORATE INTO THE OPTIONS?

>> I WOULD PICK >> YES, DEFINITELY.

>> SAME HERE. >> IS NOT IMPORTANT TO ME.

>> CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT NUMBER THREE? I UNDERSTAND WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM IS TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING LOOSE TABLES AND LOOSE CHAIRS DOWNTOWN, OVERNIGHT, I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE , KIND OF, WHAT IT WOULD BE. WERE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY BRING THEM IN EVERY NIGHT, WHICH I DON'T SUPPORT, I WOULD RATHER SEE THE OTHER ONES ANCHORED INTO CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY BULLETPROOF. THE SEATING AREA, IT DOESN'T DO A WHOLE LOT FOR ME, BUT THE REASON I DID NOT -- I MAY HAVE PICKED THAT LAST WAS JUST BECAUSE OF THAT. I LIKE THE TABLES AND I LIKE THE CHAIRS, BUT I AM LIKE, OKAY, WE ARE JUST GOING TO LEAVE THEM SITTING OUT ON MAIN STREET ALL NIGHT EVERY NIGHT? THAT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.

>> WITH HEAVY WIND, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BLOWN OVER TOO.

>> I ACTUALLY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, WE HAD FOUR OR SIX FOURSQUARE WITH FOUR CHAIRS AROUND FOR OVER THREE YEARS AND THE ONLY REASON THEY GOT REPLACED WAS BECAUSE SOME WARPING OF THE WOOD THAT WAS UNDERNEATH THE TABLE. THAT WERE NEVER STOLEN, THEY WERE NEVER VANDALIZED AND I REALLY ENJOYED HAVING THEM. SO THAT WAS, I MEAN, FIVE YEARS AGO? MAYBE THINGS HAVE COMPLETELY CHANGED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT FOR THREE YEARS CONSISTENTLY, WE HAD ALUMINUM, YOU KNOW, SQUARE TABLES WITH FOUR CHAIRS AND NOTHING WAS VANDALIZED.

>> GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT, ARAB OR THOSE DOWNTOWN, I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN SINCE REPLACED WITH PICNIC TABLES, BUT I REALLY LIKED THE AESTHETIC OF HAVING FLEXIBLE SEATING THAT YOU COULD MOVE OVER AND EXPAND YOUR SPACE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SORRY. >> I LIKE ONE AND TWO, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BRANDING ON EVERYTHING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT MONEY MENTATION, SIGNAGE, PUBLIC ART, IF YOU BRAND EVERYTHING, YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE A RUSSIAN MOBSTER WEARING ADIDAS.

RIGHT? I JUST THINK IT GETS GAUDY WHEN YOU BRAND EVERYTHING, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT ONE AND TWO, NO OFFENSE TO RUSSIAN MOBSTERS,

-- >> OR ADIDAS.

>> SMART. >> BUT YOU GET MY DRIFT. I THINK THE TIMELESSNESS OF THE WOOD AND THE WARMTH OF IT, TO ME, IF WE ATTRACT THE RIGHT BUSINESSES, THEY ARE GOING TO PUT COOL STUFF OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESSES. MY OPINION IS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THIS EXTRA STUFF, YOU CAN KEEP IT REAL CLASSY AND REAL UNDERSTATED AND IT WILL LOOK REALLY, REALLY, NICE. THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> SO MUCH FOR THE ADIDAS SPONSORSHIP.

>> THAT IS REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK, WE WILL THINK ABOUT ALL THAT AS WE BRING FORTH FURTHER DESIGNS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. MOVING INTO SHADE SALES. A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH REGARD TO SHADE SALES. YOU ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT IN YOUR CHOICES HERE,

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SHADING? >> THE LOGISTICS IN WHICH WAY SHADES ARE ANGLED IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE KIND OF SOUTHERLY BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE MOST OF OUR SON IS COMING FROM.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE IF THEY COULD BE MADE TO BE SOMEWHAT ARTISTIC IN NATURE AND PULL IN DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BESIDES JUST BEING A BIG GRAY OR WHITE, YOU KNOW, SHEET OF FABRIC THAT IS MOUNTED OVER OUR HEADS.

>> HOW OFTEN DO THESE NEED TO BE REPLACED? I KNOW WE HAVE THE SHADE SALES AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND THEY DIDN'T LAST

VERY LONG. >> IT WOULD DEPEND ON A VARIETY OF FACTORS, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE BRING BACK MORE OPTIONS. DURABILITY, MATERIALS, COLOR

SCHEME, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> TYPICALLY, THESE HAVE A 10

YEAR LIFECYCLE. >> WHERE IS THE PLAN FOR THESE

TWO GO? >> ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET

OR CLICK >> THERE IS NONE YET. THIS IS JUST SPEAKING IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE

SEEKING. >> I THINK IT WILL BE A BIG PASTOR IN THE DESIGN, IS MY OPINION.

>> UNDERSTOOD, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, REMEMBER, WE ARE HERE HIGH-LEVEL NOW, WE WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>> I DIDN'T PICK NUMBER ONE BECAUSE THEY WERE SO SMALL, I FELT LIKE THERE WOULD ONLY BE SHADE FOR, LIKE, ONE PERSON.

WELL, NUMBER FOUR. ON THIS ONE. NUMBER ONE ON THIS ONE.

>> WERE FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH REGARDS TO LIGHTING, SEATING AND SHADE SALES, PUBLIC ART IS WHERE YOU GOT A LITTLE WONKY. IN ADDITION TO PUBLIC ART AS AN OVERALL CATEGORY, WE ALSO BROKEN INTO FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. MURALS, CROSSWALK ART, INTERACTIVE ART AND SCULPTURE. YOU CAN SEE HERE WITH THE SUBCATEGORY RANKING BROKE DOWN IN TWO, MURALS WERE NUMBER ONE AND WE CARRIED OUT LOUD AND CLEAR. OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO INSTALLING MURALS IN DOWNTOWN, WE DON'T REALLY OWN ANY PROPERTY. DECIDING WHERE THOSE GO, WHO HAS CONTROL, WHO HAS THE FINAL EDITORIAL SAY, AGAIN, PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS IN INSTALLING MURALS, BUT WE HEAR YOU, MURALS ARE NICE. PAINTED CROSSWALKS AS A NUMBER TWO AND THEN A REALLY CLOSE TIE BETWEEN INTERACTIVE SCULPTURE -- INTERACTIVE ART AND SCULPTURE. WE WILL DIVE INTO EACH ONE OF THESE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, SO STARTING WITH PUBLIC ART MURALS, AGAIN, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF DIFFERENT STYLES OF MORALS, THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WE GAVE YOU AS EXAMPLES. WE HAVE FOUR ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE THIRD-PLACE HAD A TIE. AGAIN, THERE ARE DEFINITELY COMMON THEMES I CAN SEE THROUGH HERE, YOU CLEARLY HAVE AN AFFINITY FOR VIBRANT COLORS, BRANDING, AGAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY BAKED INTO THE MURALS. ALL OF THESE TEND TO HAVE SOME SORT OF NATURAL AESTHETICS, EVEN THE ABSTRACT ONE. I'M GOING TO STOP TALKING AND YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU LIKED ABOUT THESE MURALS AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT THESE MURALS BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THE FATE MURAL BECAUSE IT HAS THE BRANDING IN IT, IT HAS THE CLEVER PLAY ON WORDS, SOMETHING THAT, REALLY, IDENTIFIES THE CITY AND IT HAS BECOME, LIKE, A SYMBOL OF THE CITY. I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE

THAT. >> YOU KNOW I LIKE THE FLOWERS.

>> THE BEE IS NICE TOO, THAT ALSO HELPS IDENTIFY THE CITY.

>> NUMBER THREE IS ON HERE, IT KIND OF HAS A MUSIC THEME TO IT, IT ALSO HAS WHAT LOOKS LIKE A LIGHTNING BUG AND FLOWERS AND THOSE THINGS. WHATEVER THE MURAL IS NEEDS TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHO WE ARE AS A CITY AND WHATEVER CULTURAL IDENTITY IS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT NECESSARILY ALL THE WAY JUST YET, I THINK WE ARE WORKING TO FIGURE IT OUT. I WOULD LOVE IT IF ROWLETT WAS --'S COULD BE FORMED INTO ANOTHER SENTENCE, I'M STRUGGLING IN MY MIND TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF THAT, I DO REALLY LIKE FATES MURAL, IT'S A

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HAPPY. >> YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE RANK THEM? WE CAN'T WORK ON IT ALL AT ONE TIME, WE NEEDED SOME ORDER OF PRIORITIZATION, TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE,

FOR SURE. >> I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT A SHOT OF THE PROCESS AT ALL, IT IS JUST AN OBSERVATION,

ALL OF IT IS VALUABLE. >> GOOD POINT TO MAKE BECAUSE I WOULD NOT SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT INVOLVED BEHIND THE SCENES TO THINK IT IS JUST ONE OR TWO OR THREE, THAT IS A GREAT POINT TO

MAKE. >> COUNSEL, ANYONE ELSE ON THE

MURALS? >> I DID HAVE A QUESTION, MURALS CAN CHANGE TOO, LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST HAVE ONE THAT IS THEY ARE FOR 25 YEARS AND YOU REFRESH IT, I WOULD ASSUME YOU WOULD REFRESH IT. I WOULD THINK THAT, OVER TIME, WE CAN CHANGE THE MURALS, WE CAN ADD MURALS, SO I AGREE, IT IS NOT STATIC.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE INTO SCULPTURES. AGAIN, SCULPTURES TAKE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FORMS AND FUNCTIONS, FROM ABSTRACT ART TO LET SCULPTURES, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO GET YOUR CREATIVE JUICES FLOWING. SO THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WE PROVIDED TO COUNSEL.

AGAIN, SOME CONSISTENCY, BUT I LIKE TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM YOU, IT SEEMS THAT, AGAIN, BRIGHT COLORS, SOME POTENTIAL LIGHTING ELEMENTS, AGAIN, THIS ONE MAKES A PLAY IN THIS ONE, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING WHEN MAKING SELECTIONS THROUGH SCULPTURES? WHAT STOOD OUT TO YOU, WHAT DID YOU LIKE? WHAT DID YOU NOT LIKE ABOUT THE OPTIONS AS WE WORK TO FURTHER REFINE

OPTIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING? >> I THINK THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT DOWNTOWN, SOME OF THESE MAKE SENSE AND IN MY OPINION, SOME OF THEM DON'T. I THINK THE B IS GREAT AND WOULD BE A GREAT POLLINATOR, GARDEN TYPE SCULPTURE, BUT IN THE DOWNTOWN SPACE, I STRUGGLE TO SEE HOW IT FITS. I THINK NUMBER 10 HERE, WHERE IT IS A SCULPTURE THAT IS ALSO A SEATING SPACE, IT'S GOT A DUAL-PURPOSE, DUAL USE, IT'S GOT LIGHTING, THAT MANY OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I REALIZE IT IS BRIGHT COLORS AND THAT MIGHT BE OFFPUTTING, BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY OPTIONS FOR THAT AS WELL. I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPTION. BACK ON TUESDAY TWO SLIDES AGO, IS NUMBER ONE IN PLANO? IS THAT A PLANO SCULPTURE?

>> LET ME ASK MY SCULPTURE ART COLLECTOR. I THINK THAT IS OFF OF 15TH STREET IN PLANO, GREAT SCULPTURE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION. IT SITS IN THE MEDIAN OF TRAFFIC AND IT IS A VERY ACTIVE AND VIBRANT SCULPTURE. IT HAS REALLY GOOD LIGHTING ON IT, YOU CAN SEE IN THE IMAGE, IT'S GREAT. I THINK ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS HERE IS GOING TO BE UNDERSTANDING, THAT WE WANT SCULPTURE THAT IS ABSTRACT OR DO WE WANT AGENT THAT IS REPRESENTATIVE? THAT MAY BE THE BIGGER QUESTION THAT IS AT PLAY HERE. WHAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE COUNCIL IS A MIXED BAG BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE B, WHICH IS VERY REPRESENTATIVE, BUT THE TWO VERY ABSTRACT PIECES AS WELL. I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS OR, AGAIN, IS IT A MIX? WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE SOMETHING OR PRESENTED IT OR SOMETHING MORE

ABSTRACT? >> I REALLY -- I WAS NOT THRILLED WITH ANY OF THE SCULPTURE, I GUESS, MAYBE, I AM NOT A SCULPTURE PERSON. THAT'S OKAY, WE CAN ALL HAVE DIFFERENT -- ENJOY DIFFERENT FORMS OF ART. BUT TO ME, HARDLY ANY OF THESE, LIKE, MATCH OUR DOWNTOWN. SO I LIKE THE CHESS PIECES ON THE INTERACTIVE ART, SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOUR SCULPTURE SELECTIONS TO SOMEONE WHO THINKS IT BELONGS,THAT THEY LIKE.

>> I AGREE WITH THE CHESS PIECES, I HAD RATED THAT, I THINK, NUMBER ONE. I LIKE THE B CONCEPT, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE ON THE GREEN VAN ON THE STREET, DOWNTOWN. I DO LIKE NUMBER 10 A LOT, I THINK THAT WAS MY NUMBER TWO OR THREE. YOU

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>> I'M NOT REALLY A SCULPTURE GUY, I WANT A GUY SITTING ON A COURSE WITH A FUNNY HAT, THAT IS MY KIND OF SCULPTURE. JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, I LIKE ART PIECES THAT ARE STANDALONE VISUAL ART PIECES THAT YOU WILL WALK AROUND AND ENJOY AS AN ART PIECE. YOU KNOW, I SEE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THIS AND THE INTERACTIVE PART OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR MY PURPOSES, IF WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR A SCULPTURE, JUST BECAUSE I AM KIND OF SIMPLE WHEN IT COMES

TO SCULPTURE. >> I WOULD AGREE, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST BRUTAL PART OF THE SURVEY FOR ME BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ARTSY GUY. I AM DEFINITELY NOT REALLY INTO ABSTRACT ART, I LIKE THE MORE, WOULD YOU SAY, REPRESENTATIVE? I DO LIKE TIN, MAYBE NOT THE COLORS, BUT IT IS A FUNCTIONAL PIECE OF ART AND I WOULD PREFER TO GO WITH SOMETHING FUNCTIONAL AS TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE ON NUMBER THREE.

>> MY OPINION OF THE SCULPTURES, I LIKE UNOBTRUSIVE SCULPTURES, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AND ENJOY ART, BUT NOT BE INUNDATED BY IT.

>> THAT IS THE GREAT THING ABOUT ART, IT IS ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK, WE WILL DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH THAT AND BRING BACK SOME REFINED EXAMPLES. NOW, THE INTERACTIVE ART, A COUPLE OF YOU MENTIONED THE CHESS PIECES, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS, FROM INTERACTIVE PLAY TO ART THAT ALSO DOUBLES AS SEATING TO WHAT WE ARE TERMING INSTAGRAMMABLE MOMENTS. THESE ARE THE OPTIONS WE PROVIDED YOU. THIS WAS YOUR FEEDBACK. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO WHY YOU MADE THE SELECTIONS? I HEARD WE LIKE

THE INTERACTIVE CHESS. >> I HATED ALL OF THEM. BUT NUMBER SIX WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT IF WE HAD TO DO ONE, NO OFFENSE TO THE CHESS PLAYER, I TOTALLY GET IT. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY IN HERE HAPPY, BUT THE ONLY REASON I LIKE NUMBER SIX, I THINK I RANKED THAT THE HIGHEST, NOT BECAUSE I LIKED, JUST TO THE INSTAGRAMMABLE THING. YOU'VE GOT DOWNTOWN GARLAND AND THEY HAVE THE WINGS RIGHT THERE ON THE SIDE, GRANTED, THEY HAD THE PIZZA GUY DO THE GREAT REVIEW OF THE PIZZAS, THEY HAVE PEOPLE DOWN THERE. I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY AND YOU SEE PEOPLE DOING SELFIES BY THE, YOU KNOW. STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY IS COOL. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

>> INSTAGRAMMABLE MOMENTS. >> I THINK FIVE IS INSTAGRAMMABLE TOO. 2 THESE ARE ACTUALLY MY TOP THREE, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT AT ALL. I LIKE THESE THREE.

>> I THINK THE CHESSBOARD IS A WINNER. HONESTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE LEAST EXPENSIVE PIECES OF ART YOU CAN DO, IT LOOKS LIKE PAVER STONES AND THE CHESS PIECES ARE PROBABLY FILLED WITH SAND OR SOMETHING, I HAVE SEEN THESE IN OTHER PLACES, THEY ARE A GREAT THING THAT ATTRACTS A TON OF ATTENTION BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NORMALLY VERY SMALL THAT HAS BEEN MACRO SIZE, SO YOU SEE A HUGE VERSION OF IT. TO YOUR POINT, IT TAKES UP SPACE, IT IS DEFINITELY SOMEWHAT OBTRUSIVE IN THAT SENSE. I THINK IT IS A GREAT PIECE THAT, IN THE RIGHT SPOT, WOULD HAVE PEOPLE

PLAYING IT ALL THE TIME. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY, IT'S YOU -- NOT UNIQUE. I SEE THAT AT HOTEL LAWNS, IT WOULDN'T SPUR, OH, THEY'VE GOT THIS COOL THING DOWN THERE. IS IN THERE SOMEPLACE, I THINK, MAYBE, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, THE TOILET WITH THE WINDOWS?

>> SILVER SPRINGS. >> THAT'S UNIQUE, I'M NOT ADJUSTING WE DO THAT, BUT THIS JUST DOESN'T SEEM UNIQUE TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE 20 YEARS BEHIND AND JUST DOING SOMETHING THAT IS, AGAIN, MY OPINION, I MAY BE WRONG, THAT IS JUST HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PIECE.

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>> I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER REEVES, I HAVE SEEN THESE CHESSBOARD'S AT EVERY KIND OF HOTEL YOU GO TO, THEY'VE ALL GOT THEM. I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE BEING USED. MOST OF THEM GET RAINED ON, THEY GET DIRTY, I DON'T KNOW. IT IS A CHESSBOARD,

IT'S NOT ART. >> DAYS A CHESSBOARD THEY ARE AND YOU WERE SUPPOSED BE PLAYING IT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. ME AND 100 OTHER PEOPLE WEREN'T PLAYING AT.

>> I HAVE SEEN THEM BEING USED, THEY ATTRACT PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY SET UP CHESS TABLES WITH AN INFORMER TOURNAMENT WHERE THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE PLAYING CHESS AND, MAYBE, I WOULD GO INTO A DIFFERENT PLACE FROM YOU. I DON'T THINK EVERY PIECE OF ART THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN HAS TO BE UNIQUE. I THINK WE NEED SOME UNIQUE ONES TO IDENTIFY THE CITY, BUT I THINK WE CAN ALSO HAVE SOME THINGS LIKE THIS THAT MIGHT ATTRACT A CERTAIN TYPE OF PERSON WHO WE ARE NOT ATTRACTING RIGHT NOW. I KNOW WE HAVE A CHESS CLUB IN ROWLETT, I THINK IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT COME OUT AND PLAY ON THE SIDEWALKS LIKE THAT AND I THINK THAT IS A VERY COOL VIBE, BUT THAT IS JUST ME.

>> ALL RIGHT, MOVING FORWARD, INTERACTIVE ART THAT POTENTIALLY HASN'T INSTAGRAMMABLE COMPONENTS TO IT. WE WILL REFINE THESE AND BRING BACK SOME IDEAS FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC ART CROSSWALKS. SO A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR SOME FUN THAT WE COULD HAVE WITH OUR CROSSWALKS , THIS ONE ALSO HAS FOUR BECAUSE WE HAD A TIE FOR THIRD PLACE. THESE WERE YOUR TOP SELECTIONS. IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE ANY THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ON THE CROSSWALKS OR WHY YOU CHOSE THE CROSSWALK YOU DID IS YOUR NUMBER ONE? OR WHY YOU HATED SOME OF THE OTHER ONES?

>> I DIDN'T LIKE ANY OF THEM. THE ONLY ONE THAT I SORT OF, KIND OF, LIKED DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE TOP. I AM NOT A CROSSWALK ART PERSON. 2 CAN I ASK WHAT YOU HATED ABOUT THEM? SAY I HATED THEM, I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THEM. I DON'T KNOW, THEY ALL LOOK LIKE I DON'T KNOW, I JUST DON'T LIKE THEM. LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS SUBJECTIVE, IF YOU GO BACK, I WILL SHOW YOU THE ONE I DISLIKED LEAST AND THAT WAS NUMBER FOUR. BECAUSE IT HAS THE FEEL OF WATER, LIKE, THAT IS WATER IN WAVES AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO PAINTED CROSSWALKS, I JUST DIDN'T REALLY -- NONE OF THESE REALLY LOOKED LIKE BRALETTE --

ROWLETT TO ME. >> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE CROSSWALK ART?

>> ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE DID NOT HAVE, MAYBE, BY DESIGN, THAT HE WANTED MORE OF THESE ART, PAINTED TYPE CROSSWALKS, FOR ME PERSONALLY, ESPECIALLY IN OUR DOWNTOWN, I LIKE THE CROSSWALKS WHERE YOU ARE USING DIFFERENT MATERIALS, STONE MATERIALS, THAT ARE EFFECTIVE -- DECORATIVE. THEY ARE FUNCTIONAL, THEY LOOK

GOOD, MINIMAL MAINTENANCE. >> THAT IS A GREAT POINT.

>> MINIMAL MAINTENANCE, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I WORRY ABOUT, PAINTED CROSSWALKS, JUST HOW LONG THEY WOULD LAST. THEY LOOK GREAT THE FIRST YEAR, COUPLE YEARS, PROBABLY, THEN OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO, GO PAINTED WITH SOMETHING NEW? I DON'T KNOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, ESPECIALLY IN A LIMITED AREA, LIKE WE'VE GOT, I WOULD JUST THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT IS MORE PERMANENT MAY BE A BETTER ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW.

>> THIS IS THE KIND OF FEEDBACK WE ARE LOOKING FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, PART OF WHY CITIES DO THIS IS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY. YOU OPEN THESE THINGS UP FOR CONTEST'S, THIS IS NOT IN TENDED TO BE PERMANENT, AS COMPARED TO SOME OF THE DECORATIVE STONE WORK THAT YOU CAN DO IN A CROSSWALK, IT HAS DRAWBACKS INCLUDING COST OF INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE CAN BE MINIMAL, BUT AT TIMES, IT ISN'T. THIS WAS, AGAIN, ALONG THE LINES, ARE THERE ENHANCEMENTS WE CAN DO THAT HAVE DUAL PURPOSES? SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS AT ALL, THEN WE CAN TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE, THAT IS PART OF WHY WE GAVE YOU SO MANY OPTIONS. THIS IS GOOD FEEDBACK, BUT BEING CLEAR, THIS WAS NEVER INTENDED AS A FIVE-YEAR ART INSTALLATION, THIS IS SOMETHING CUT TO THE POINT, YOU ARE RIGHT, WOULD TURN OVER ENGAGEMENT CYCLES, SELECTION CYCLES, THOSE TYPES OF

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THINGS. >> I LOVE THE IDEA FOR SHORT-TERM FOR SOMETHING QUICK, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SEEN AND FELT IMMEDIATELY. THEY ARE NOT LITTLE ANYMORE, BUT SIDEWALK CHALK, GOING OUT WITH MY KIDS, IT REMINDS ME OF THAT. HAS THAT FAMILY FEEL, LONG GONE ARE THOSE DAYS. ANYWAY, I THINK THAT IF IT IS NOT A FOREVER THING, FOR A QUICK -- WHILE WE ARE REVAMPING AND WAITING ON SOME OTHER THINGS, IT IS A NICE THING. ALL THIS STUFF GOES BACK TO MY WHOLE COMMENT ON ADIDAS, IT GETS TOO MUCH AND I THINK THE CLASSY APPROACH IS, MAYBE, A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, NATURAL MATERIAL FOR CROSSWALKS. TIMELESS AND CLASSY.

FOR THE TIME BEING, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY NICE STOPGAP.

>> I AGREE WITH MICHAEL ABOUT THE CLASS YOUR LOOK TOO, SOMETHING I HAVE SEEN IN SOME OTHER CITIES WOULD BE PAVERS, YOU KNOW, THESE DESIGNS WOULD BE PAVERS AND I HAVE SEEN IT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE SPONSOR THOSE AND THEY HAVE THEIR NAMES ON THEM, WHICH IS A LONG-TERM THINKING, THAT IS NOT A QUICK FIX. MAYBE, LONG TERM, WE CAN THINK ABOUT SOMETHING

LIKE THAT. >> THIS IS JUST THE KIND OF

FEEDBACK WE ARE LOOKING FOR. >> I LOVE THAT IDEA AND I DID NOT THINK ABOUT THAT, IF THIS IS, SORT OF, A SEMIPERMANENT INSTALLATION, THIS BECOMES VERY INTERACTIVE WITH THE ART COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU START ENGAGING LOCAL ARTISTS AND, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, EVERY TWO YEARS. I HAVEN'T THOUGHT THROUGH THAT WAY, JUST LOOKING AT A FUNCTIONAL PIECE HERE. I DO LIKE THAT, NOW, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ALL THE CROSSWALKS, BUT MAYBE ONE AREA. THAT IS SORT OF AN ENGAGEMENT KIND OF THING. I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME LEGS.

>> OKAY, GREAT FEEDBACK, THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO MONUMENT TATIAN. SIMILAR TO PUBLIC ART, LEAVE PUT IT IN TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. MORE TRADITIONAL FORMS OF MONUMENT TATIAN, OVERWHELMING FAVORITE WAS THE ENTRY ARCH MONUMENT TATIAN, WE WILL DIVE DEEPER INTO BOTH OF THOSE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK. SO STARTING WITH ENTRY ARCH MONUMENT TATIAN, JUST A FEW DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AROUND AND THEN YOUR ULTIMATE RANKING. AGAIN, THERE IS CONSISTENCY HERE. CLEAN, METAL DESIGNS THAT CLEARLY INDICATE WHERE YOU ARE, WHAT DID YOU LIKE ABOUT THESE? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ENCAPSULATED IN THESE THREE PHOTOS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS WE RUN DOWN ENTRY ARCH MONUMENT TATIAN?

>> BRITTANY, I THINK THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE, I HOPE THIS IS ENOUGH TO TELL YOU WHAT WE ARE IN FAVOR OF, THERE IS A COUPLE OF MINOR DIFFERENCES, THE ONE THAT IS LABELED NUMBER ONE HAS LIGHTING ASSOCIATED WITH IT AS WELL. THE NUMBER THREE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MORE SIMPLISTIC IN TERMS OF ITS DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE. NUMBER TWO IS VERY FANCY. VERY FANCY, VERY VICTORIAN-STYLE LOOK TO IT, BUT I THINK THE OVER THE ROAD ARCH IS THE CLEAR TAKE AWAY WINTER HERE. THE BIG, EXPENSIVE TYPE

ARCHWAY. >> I LOVE NUMBER ONE WITH THE LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING. AND I LIKE A NUMBER THREE I WHOLE LOT, NUMBER TWO, I DON'T KNOW, THE COLORS, SOMEHOW, THAT DOES NOT SPEAK TO ME IN THE SAME WAY, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE

1950S TO ME. >> IT LOOKS LIKE THE MIDWAY AT

THE FARES. >> MAYBE THAT'S IT.

>> I LIKE NUMBER ONE AND THREE, I THINK, MAYBE, GOING BACK TO THE SCULPTURES AND STUFF, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS VERY TRADITIONAL AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS, MAYBE WE COULD MIX THINGS UP. BUT IF WE WANT TO HAVE AN IDENTITY AND DOWNTOWN, MAYBE, BE CONSISTENT. THAT MIGHT BE A THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW, MEANING, WITH THE MONUMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, HEAVY METAL TYPE STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT SO CRAZY MODERN OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THIS IS PRETTY TRADITIONAL. MAYBE I'M WRONG, I DON'T KNOW, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS A DISCUSSION POINT.

I LIKE NUMBER ONE, IT LOOKS GOOD, IT LOOKS CLASSY, IT LOOKS

PRETTY TIMELESS. >> I LIKE NUMBER ONE ALSO. JUST POINTED OUT, EVERYBODY LIKES THE ARCH, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE , IF WE ARE GOING TO BE USING THE DARK -- D.A.R.T. PARKING LOT, WHICH IS NOT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN, HAVING SOME KIND OF VERY VISIBLE INDICATOR THAT , WELCOME TO, THIS IS OUR DOWNTOWN

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I THINK THAT THAT, FUNCTIONALLY, IS A GOOD IDEA.

>> DO WE KNOW AT THIS POINT WHERE, EXACTLY, WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT PUTTING THESE? >> NO, MA'AM, WE ARE STILL

HIGH-LEVEL CONCEPTUAL. >> I THINK, BRITTANY, JUST A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS. YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, THE ROUTE THE DOWNTOWN CORE BEING THE HEARTBEAT OF THE CITY AND YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT KEEPING SMALL TOWN FEEL, FOR ME, NUMBER ONE REALLY DOES THAT, I THINK IT INTEGRATES WELL WITH THE LIGHTING WE ALREADY HAVE, THE LAMPPOST STYLE LIGHTING AND I CAN SEE THAT OR SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO IT DOWNTOWN NOW. THAT IS A REALLY GOOD FIT TO ME,

PERSONALLY. >> GOOD FEEDBACK. NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO TRADITIONAL MONUMENT TATIAN. A FEW DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, ONE FROM ONE OF THE STRATEGIC PLANS WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, THE VILLAGE LOGO ON HERE, IT WAS A PLAN WE DID, WE THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME GOOD CONCEPTS AND BROUGHT IT BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ALONG WITH WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY AND WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING. AND THIS WAS ULTIMATELY YOUR TOP THREE SELECTIONS. AGAIN, A LITTLE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THERE IS SOME MODERN ELEMENTS, SOME BRICK AND STONE ELEMENTS, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU RANKED THESE?

>> BRITTANY, FOR ME, IF I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT FIVE THROUGH 14, HONESTLY, ONE THROUGH FOUR IS -- I WILL JUST COUNT THOSE.

FIVE AND SIX ARE HUGE, SEVEN IS WHAT WE HAVE, IT'S CLASSIC. TO ME, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD OPTION AND THEN, THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHERE THERE IS REALLY SOME DIFFERENCES. NINE IS EXTREMELY BORING, BRICK, L.E.D. SIGN, WE HAVE AN L.E.D. SIGN ALREADY IN FRONT OF CITY HALL, IT'S JUST BORING TO ME.

>> I DO LIKE 10, IT DOESN'T LOOK INTRUSIVE, THEY LOOK HUMONGOUS. DEFINITELY OUT OF PLACE IN OUR DOWNTOWN SPACE, DESPITE THE CLOCK TOWER ADDING ANY MONUMENT OF THIS SIZE WOULD BE TOO BIG. MORE MODERN AND MINIMAL IS THE WAY TO GO.

>> SCALE IS RELATIVE, IF YOU LIKED THE ELEMENTS , A GREAT PART OF WHAT WE ARE SEEKING TO DO IS UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE YOU ARE SPEAKING IN, LET'S SAY YOU LIKE THE METALLIC AND STONE MEMBER MIXTURE OF NUMBER 12. SCALE IS SOMETHING WE CAN WORK THROUGH TO MAKE SURE IT IS APPROPRIATE, IF ANY OF YOU LIKE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, THAT IS VERY MUCH A PART OF WHAT WE WANT

TO HEAR. >> JUST A QUESTION, WE DISCUSSED THE ARCH, WHICH IS, BASICALLY, OUR ENTRY MONUMENT TATIAN, WE HAVE THE MONUMENT AT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE, KIND OF RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO PUT MONUMENTS, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU CAN PUT IT OVER TOWARDS ROW LET -- ROWLETT ROAD, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF THE ELEMENTS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN CONSIDERING COST AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THIS IS KIND OF FAR DOWN THE LIST FOR ME, I DON'T MEMBER OUR RANKINGS, BUT WITH EVERYTHING -- WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER STUFF GOING ON. IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A FORCED FIT TO

ME, BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG. >> YOUR RESULTS KIND OF SAY DIFFERENT, BUT AGAIN, THAT IS WHY WE ARE DOING THIS. I HAVE HEARD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND I WANT TO REMIND YOU. THIS IS VERY HIGH-LEVEL, VERY CONCEPTUAL, THIS IS JUST LIKE THE EXERCISE THAT YOU DID FOR THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO HEAR YOU , UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IMPORTANT, WHAT'S NOT IMPORTANT, WHAT YOU LIKE, WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE, AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU, HOPEFULLY, HAVING HEARD YOU PROPERLY AND START TO DISTILL THAT INFORMATION DOWN AND WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT HERE VERY SHORTLY ABOUT HOW WE WANT. OR HOWEVER YOU WANT US TO DO THAT, MORE IMPORTANTLY. I WANT TO REITERATE, NONE OF THIS, THESE ARE JUST REPRESENTATIVE, IT IS REALLY ABOUT PULLING OUT THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU LIKED AND THAT YOU DIDN'T. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO HEAR AND THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN VERY USEFUL FOR

US. >> I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE NOW, I THINK IT IS VERY MUCH ROWLETT'S IDENTITY, WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE CLOCK TOWER, WE NEED TO COORDINATE WITH THIS I DO LIKE NUMBER 10 BECAUSE I THINK IT GOES WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES. AGAIN, LIKE, MICHAEL, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO PUT THESE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE MONUMENTS ALL OVER THE PLACE. IF I HAD TO CHOOSE, I WOULD SAY, NUMBER 10 WOULD GO WITH THE ONES WE HAVE NOW. 'I ASK THIS QUESTION, WE ASKED THIS QUESTION

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>> THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE THE MONUMENT TATIAN. I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE AND I DON'T

WANT TO SPEND ANYMORE MONEY. >> YES, I AM ADAMANTLY OPPOSED

TO TEARING IT DOWN. >> CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE NUMBER SEVEN LANDED ON THE RANKING? IF YOU HAVE THE FULL --?

>> I DO. >> NUMBER SEVEN WOULD HAVE BEEN

FOURTH-PLACE. >> I THINK THAT COINCIDES WITH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK YOU JUST RECEIVED AS WELL.

>> YES, NUMBER SEVEN WOULD HAVE COUNTED AS FOURTH-PLACE. 'I WILL WAIT IN, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE TORN DOWN, IF WE NEED TO ENHANCE, THAT'S FINE AGAIN, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SCHUPP. TO ME, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE HERE

>> IF THAT IS THE FEEDBACK -- LET'S MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND, A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU VOTED ON, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT YOU VOICED VERY STRONG, CLEAR -- OPINION TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE AND WE WILL LOOK FOR WAYS TO ENHANCE IT IN A COMPLEMENT RECOUNT --

FASHION >> ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT

CONCEPT? >> YOU KEEP LOOKING AT ME. I HAVEN'T REALLY COMMENTED, I AGREE, I JUST THINK THE MONUMENT TATIAN IS THE VERY BOTTOM FOR ME, WE ARTY HAVE SOMETHING, WE COULD CHANGE IT SOMEDAY, FINE, BUT THERE IS NO REAL NEED. THERE IS NOT PUBLIC OUTCRY TO CHANGE IT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE HEARING CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN VOTING, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP MY VOTING RECORD. I THINK I'M BEING CONSISTENT MYSELF, FOR ME, INSIDE-OUT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WHERE LIGHTING AND MURALS, STUFF LIKE THAT, THE TRUE EXPERIENCE, TO ME, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. WE WORK OURSELVES OUT AND DO THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRYWAY AND MONUMENT TATIAN, IF WE DO

ANYTHING. ANYWAY. >> THAT IS WHY WE DID THAT RANKING, SO YOU CAN TELL US HOW WE NEED TO PROCEED.

>> FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH, TRADITIONAL MONUMENT TATIAN WAS TIED FOR SEVENTH PLACE. ALL RIGHT, MOVING INTO POLE BANNERS.

A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN DO POLE BANNERS. I WILL SHOW YOU THE TOP THREE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU JUST LIKED IT OR IF WE HAVE A BUNCH OF COUNCILMEMBERS ROOTING FOR THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES WIN THE SUPER BOWL, THE TOP-RANKED ONE WERE THREE, FOUR AND ONE. THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS TO THIS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, FOR EXAMPLE, TWO OF THE OPTIONS HAVE PLANT HANGERS ON THEM. I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU LIKED ABOUT THESE OPTIONS FOR POLE BANNERS, WAS THE LIGHTING? WAS IT THE PLANTS TIED TO IT? AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING YOU WOULD

RANK THESE? >> I RANKED NUMBER FOUR FIRST BECAUSE I CAN'T KEEP MY BASKETS ALIVE IN JULY. AND TO ME, NUMBER THREE, WE HAVE WINDS THAT ARE HIGH AND I CAN SEE ALL OF THAT STUFF BEING SHREDDED VERY QUICKLY. I LIKED NUMBER FOUR, IT WAS CLEAN, IT TOLD YOU WHERE YOU WERE OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU ARE ADVERTISING. I FELT LIKE THAT WOULD WITHSTAND THE SUMMER

HEAT FOR A WHILE. >> THAT'S VERY GOOD PERSPECTIVE, I HADN'T REALLY CONSIDERED THAT. IT'S TRUE, WE DID HAVE SIGNS THAT WERE PUT UP BY THE CHAMBER, THEY DID NOT LAST TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO FALL DOWN ON ROWLETT ROAD. THAT IS A REALLY GOOD PERSPECTIVE AND, HONESTLY, I CHOSE THE ONES WITH THE FLAGS AND FLOWERS BECAUSE I THOUGHT

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>> HERE'S A QUESTION, DON'T STONE ME, WOULD ANYONE BE OPPOSED TO ARTIFICIAL PLANTS IN THE PLANTERS? YEAH, OKAY.

>> I'M NOT. 2 ARTIFICIAL PLANTS. YOU ARE RIGHT, WE WON'T

BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM ALIVE. >> I'M NOT OPPOSED, AS LONG AS YOU CHANGED IT OUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. SKI MAINTENANCE IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS TO HAPPEN, NO MATTER WHAT. WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED, CONCEPTUALLY, TO

ARTIFICIAL PLANTS AND PLANTERS? >> I'M NOT, THEY HAVE SOME VERY NICE ONES NOW THAT ARE MADE FOR OUTDOORS THAT DON'T FADE, SO QUICKLY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I ALSO CHOSE NUMBER THREE, WITHOUT REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT OF IT. I'M NOT -- POLE BANNERS WOULD BE WAY DOWN ON MY LIST OF

PRIORITIES. >> IT WAS LAST. 2 I AM JUST A PURIST, DON'T PUT ARTIFICIAL PLANTS.

>> I MEAN, IF THEY LOOK GOOD, WHO CARES? IF IT LOOKS GOOD, IF IT LOOKS FAKE, LIKE MJ DESIGNS, HANGING OFF THE WALL, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FREAK CHRISTMAS GARLAND, LIKE, NO THANKS, I

WOULD RATHER IT BE THERE. >> PRETTY GOOD THROWBACK WHEN

YOU TALK ABOUT MJ DESIGNS. >> WHAT WE DON'T SEE ON NUMBER ONE IS WHAT IS ON THE GROUND, I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT BECAUSE IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER PLANNERS AND OCTAGON'S AND THINGS WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE DOWNTOWN SPACE, ADDING THAT SPURS OF COLOR, MAYBE, THESE AREN'T QUITE AS IMPORTANT. BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE, TO THE POINT OF, LIKE, NUMBER FOUR, IT HAS A PLANTER IMMEDIATELY UNDERNEATH IT, IT HAS PLANTS IN THERE, AND HAS COLOR IN THERE, A PLANTER HANGING PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. CONTEXT MATTERS, I THINK, IN THIS CONVERSATION.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. FINALLY, THE LAST CATEGORY IS WAYFINDING. A FEW DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WAYFINDING OPPORTUNITIES . AND THEN, THESE WERE THE TOP THREE. WE WANTED SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THESE THAT STOOD OUT? WAS IT THE METAL? THE POLISHED BRONZE? THE MAPS? WHAT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS MADE THESE THREE STAND OUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT FIND YOUR SELECTIONS IN THE TOP THREE?

>> FOR ME IT WAS THE COLOR CONTRAST IN THE SIGNS, EASILY READABLE AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A MAP, A WAYFINDING -- YOU KNOW, YOU WALK INTO A MALL, WHAT IS THE FIRST THING YOU LOOK FOR? MOST DON'T EXIST ANYMORE, I GUESS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I LOOK FOR. HAVING THAT TWO-WAY FIND PEOPLE TO DIFFERENT AREAS, WHETHER I AM LOOKING FOR A RESTAURANT OR A CIGAR OR A TATTOO, WHATEVER, I CAN LOOK AT MY WAYFINDING AND GET THERE. IF I WERE TO GET A WILD HAIR AND WANTED TO, I WOULD NEED A MAP TO

GET THERE. >> I LIKE THE CONTRAST AS WELL, IT'S REAL CLASSY TO ME. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN FIND THE WORDS, IT ALMOST TIES SOME OF OUR HISTORY BACK BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A TRADITIONAL TYPE OF LOOK THAT TIES TO THE CURRENT.

>> I LIKE THE MAP, I ALSO LIKE NUMBER TWO BECAUSE BOTH OF THOSE ARE VERY EASY TO READ FROM A DISTANCE. NUMBER THREE, THE FONTS ARE A LOT SMALLER AND, MAYBE, A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO READ. I WOULD SAY SEVEN AND TWO WOULD BE MY

FAVORITE. >> MAYBE, A LITTLE QUESTION HERE, I'M NOT COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM WAYFINDING SIGNS. PART OF MY -- WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, PART OF WHAT I WAS THINKING IS THAT WE ARE PUTTING SIGNS UP AT THE END OF MARTIN, PUTTING SIGNS UP ON ROWLETT ROAD THAT ARE ACTUALLY DIRECTIONAL SIGNS INTO DOWNTOWN. WHILE I THINK SEVEN IS NICE, IF YOU WANT TO TIE YOUR WAYFINDING SIGNS TOGETHER, THE ONES THAT ARE DIRECTIONAL FROM OUTSIDE TIE IN WITH THE ONES FROM INSIDE. FOR ME PERSONALLY, SOMETHING LIKE NUMBER THREE REALLY FITS THAT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT SEEMS TO BE BROADER WHERE, SEVEN, VERY NICE SIGN, CERTAINLY IS ATTRACTIVE, IF YOU HAVE A CAMPUS SITUATION, MAYBE, THIS IS THE KIND OF SIGN IS DOWNTOWN, THAT'S FINE, BUT JUST FOR CONTINUITY, FOR ALL OF

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NUMBER THREE. >> I CAN SEE NUMBER SEVEN IN FRONT OF THE MUNICIPAL AREAS, DIRECTS YOU TO THE REST OF THE PARK, ANIMAL SHELTERS, PUBLIC SAFETY, PICKLEBALL AND

EVERYTHING ELSE. >> ANY THOUGHTS USING THE QR

CODES? >> NOT YET, WE ARE NOT THAT FAR INTO THE PROCESS, BUT WE ARE NOT ADVERSE TO QR CODES.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER, THERE WAYFINDING, NOT THAT I PAY ATTENTION TO THIS STUFF, IT WAS ALL QR CODES. YOU JUST POPPED IT UP AND YOU COULD SEE WHERE YOU WERE, IT WAS REALLY NICE AND IT DIDN'T TAKE THAT MUCH SPACE, YOU HAVE YOUR MAP RIGHT THERE,

JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. >> AGAIN, WHY DO WE HAVE TO CHOOSE JUST ONE? I THINK, LIKE, SEVEN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN A CERTAIN AREA, BUT MAYBE, THREE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN A DIFFERENT AREA. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO CHOOSE JUST ONE.

>> I THINK THE MESSAGE THERE IS, A MAP IN SOME FORM, WHETHER PHYSICAL OR DIGITAL, CLEAR, EASY TO READ SIGNS WITH LARGE TEXT, LARGE PRINT, GOOD, CONTRASTING COLORS, I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY WITH THE TAKE AWAY IS FROM THIS CONVERSATION.

>> THAT IS HELPFUL, THANK YOU. >> THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AS FAR AS WAYFINDING, I WOULD LOVE TO ACTUALLY, LIKE, KNOW HOW FAR IT IS FOR, LIKE, I WANT TO DO A ONE MILE WALK OR IF I WANTED TO DO -- ACTUALLY INCORPORATING PHYSICAL FITNESS, THE IDEA OF THAT, ANYWHERE, I THINK WOULD BE AWESOME. IT WAS 715 FEET FROM THE PARKING LOT, OKAY, WHAT AM I GOING TO ADD TO THAT TO GET TO MY 10,000 STEPS? I THINK YOU COULD INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT KIND OF STUFF IN YOUR WAYFINDING TO ENCOURAGE

EVERYBODY TO WALK MORE. >> I HAVE SEEN THAT INCLUDED ON THE MAPS, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, ROUTE AND IT WOULD SAY THIS PART OF THE ROUTE IS X NUMBER OF MILES OR FEET OR

WHATEVER. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. >> I THINK ONE OF THE PREVIOUS EXAMPLES, NUMBER 10 HAS THE DISTANCE ON IT.

>> OKAY YEAH. BESTIE ALL RIGHT. >> THUS CONCLUDES THE DOWNTOWN ENHANCEMENTS DISCUSSION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RANKING AND PARTICIPATION, NOW WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT COMES NEXT.

>> CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT? WELL WE ARE JUST TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT DOWNTOWN. I DO THINK, THIS IS MORE FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THE PEOPLE WATCHING, YOU KNOW, I DO HEAR THIS, MAYBE, THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING. THIS IS OUR THIRD INTEGRATION OF THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AND THIS IS GOING TO GO THE SAME WAY. I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW MUCH IS BEING DONE. THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT FROM DAY ONE AND WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN SMALL BUT TANGIBLE RESULTS. ON MORE THAN WE HAVE SEEN IN A LONG TIME. THIS IS JUST A BUILDING ON IT AND I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THIS PLAN IS BEING LOOKED AT, THAT PLAN IS BEING USED, THIS IS THE FRUIT OF THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS ISN'T A LAST MINUTE THING, MAN, DOWNTOWN, THIS HAS BEEN PART OF A VERY SYSTEMATIC APPROACH FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

WE HAVE FINALLY REACHED THAT POINT WHERE NOW WE HAVE THINGS TO PUBLICLY COME OUT AND START TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY REALLY UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE AT AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, ALSO, TO GIVE THANKS AND APPLAUSE TO OUR CITY MANAGER OFFICE AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE. THIS IS GREAT STUFF, THIS IS TANGIBLE STUFF, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, THIS IS NOT THINKING AND TALKING, THESE ARE TANGIBLE STEPS. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THEM, I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS, THIS STEP WE ARE TAKING RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THAT IS APPLICABLE TO ALL OF THOSE CATEGORIES. THAT IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE A LAKE CITY, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY INCORPORATE THE IDEA OF WATER, I AM NOT SAYING NECESSARILY WATER FEATURES BECAUSE I KNOW THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE AND DIFFICULT TO OPERATE, BUT THERE ARE SITUATIONS . AT ONE TIME WE HAD WITH ONE OF THE MONUMENTS, THEY USED BLUE STONES TO REPRESENT WATER, THAT KIND OF THING. THE ONE CROSSWALK THAT I DID LIKE WAS THE ONE THAT EVOKED, KIND OF, A SENSE OF WATER. I WOULD LIKE IT IF WE COULD BRING THAT

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>> ANY OTHER GENERAL FEEDBACK ON THE ENHANCEMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO NEXT STEPS? ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT COMES NEXT? I HAVE TALKED A LOT TONIGHT, DON'T WORRY, THERE WILL BE MORE. WE'VE HEARD WHAT YOU HAVE HAD TO SAY AND FOR US, NEXT STEPS WILL BE TAKING BROAD CATEGORIES AND YOUR RANKING OF THOSE CATEGORIES AND REFINING WHAT YOU PUT ON YOUR RANKING, BUT ALSO WHAT WE HEARD FROM YOU TODAY. WILL COME BACK TO IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION, PROBABLY IN THE MARCH TIMEFRAME, TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

WE ASKED YOU TO RANK, THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH, MATCHING WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK WAS IN THESE SESSIONS. AFTER WE GET THE HEAD NOD OR MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, WE WANT TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC. AGAIN, ANOTHER PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE TO GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK, WHAT IS THE PUBLIC WANT TO SEE IN THEIR DOWNTOWN? WE CAN ALSO DO THAT ON THE ONLINE POLL OPTION TO GET ONLINE POLL FEEDBACK. THE MORE FEEDBACK, THE BETTER. ONCE WE TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK AND THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK, WE WILL PUT TOGETHER A FINAL PLAN FOR ENHANCEMENTS AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THIS COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL IN THE MAY TIMEFRAME.

AND THUS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK IN

THE LAST HOUR AND 45 MINUTES. >> COUNSEL, QUESTIONS?

>> I THINK I USED MY NALA. >> BRITTANY, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND COMMEND YOU AND CHARLES BOTH FOR THE DEPTH AND BREATH OF THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION, WE ARE AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES INTO IT AND WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE GONE LONGER IF ANY OF US HAD ASKED TOO MANY MORE QUESTIONS, THE SCOPE OF WHICH YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING , KIND OF, THE DOWNTOWN LOOK AND FEEL AND CULTURE AND THEME AND SENSE OF PLACE AND ALL OF THOSE BUZZWORDS THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK YOU ARE DOING GOOD WORK AND THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU ARE DOING. COUNSEL, ANY LAST QUESTIONS? IN THAT CASE, WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 4B, DISCUSS -- ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE MOVED TO THAT, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS, WE WILL RECONVENE AT SEVEN 155 P.M. THANK YOU.

[4B. Discuss and deliberate on proposed establishment of a Downtown Rowlett Advisory Board and appointment of members. ]

>> COUNSEL, IT IS 7:55 P.M., DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE ON PROPOSED ESTABLISHMENT OF A DOWNTOWN ROWLETT ADVISORY BOARD, MAKING THAT PRESENTATION IS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SHINDER.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I REQUESTED THIS BE PUT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF INTEREST FROM THE PUBLIC IN HAVING A DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD AND I THINK THAT IT IS A GOOD IDEA. I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT PRESENTATION FROM BRITTANY, I THINK THE STAFF HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF COMING UP WITH ALL OF THESE IDEAS AND I ENJOYED -- I ACTUALLY ENJOY DOING THAT EXERCISE, ALTHOUGH, DOING IT TWICE, I DON'T KNOW IF I DID. I THINK WE GOT REALLY GOOD INPUT TONIGHT FROM THE COUNCIL, I THINK IT WAS REALLY PRODUCTIVE, THIS DISCUSSION, I LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. WHAT I AM PROPOSING DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REPLACE OR DETRACT FROM THAT, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET MORE INVOLVEMENT FROM THE CITIZENS AND I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED AT THE END OF THAT PRESENTATION WAS HAVING THE CITIZENS FILL OUT AN ONLINE FOR HIM AND HAVING OPEN HOUSES AND THAT KIND OF THING, I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. I ALSO THINK THAT DOWNTOWN IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR US TO CONSIDER DOING WHAT WE DO FOR PARKS, WHAT WE DO FOR THE LIBRARY, WHAT WE DO FOR SO MANY OPTIONS OF THESE DIFFERET FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY, TO DEVELOP A MORE FORMAL SYSTEM FOR CITIZENS TO GIVE INPUT AND ADVICE TO THE COUNCIL. THIS WOULD, OF COURSE, BE AN ADVISORY BOARD ONLY, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY FINAL AUTHORITY OVER ANYTHING, EXCEPT FOR UTILIZING

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I THINK A BOARD COULD PROVIDE US WITH THAT. AGAIN, JUST LIKE OUR OTHER BOARDS DO. STAKEHOLDER INPUT IS CRUCIAL WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS BIG AS OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. DOWNTOWN BELONGS TO EVERYBODY, IT BELONGS TO ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, NOT JUST TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR JUST TO THE CITY STAFF. I WANT TO SEE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT EXPERTISE, WHO HAVE THAT SPECIAL INTEREST IN DOWNTOWN AND OUR EMAIL HAS INDICATED THAT THERE IS A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE. I WANT TO SEE THEM BE ABLE TO GIVE THEIR OPINIONS AND TO DISCUSS IN MORE THAN JUST ONE OPEN HOUSE MEETING WORE MORE THAN JUST SENDING US AN EMAIL OR AN ONLINE INPUT FORM. I THINK CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT IS SO IMPORTANT IN ALL AREAS OF OUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND OUR DIFFERENT INITIATIVES LIKE THIS. ALSO, THE BOARD CAN ENGAGE IN RELATIONSHIP BUILDING, I THINK, BY CREATING AN ADVISORY BOARD , THE COUNCIL THAT GAP AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE CITIZENS. I KNOW WE HAVE HAD, IN THE PAST, AS COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP MENTIONED, THEY WERE PEOPLE WHO FELT LIKE ANYTHING OR THE STAFF IS NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THIS. A BOARD TO HELP GET OUR MESSAGE OUT THERE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT, YES, WE ARE DOING THINGS. WE ON THE COUNCIL CAN'T DO IT ALL. WE SHOULDN'T TRY TO. I THINK, GETTING THE INVOLVEMENT WOULD ONLY HELP. IT CAN SAVE MONEY AND COUNCIL TIME BECAUSE IT CAN SAVE STAFF TIME BY PROVIDING EXPERTISE AND INPUT THAT THE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO SPEND EXTRA TIME TO GET. OBVIOUSLY, YOU DON'T SUBSTITUTE A BOARDS INPUT FOR THE STAFF DOING THEIR JOB, BUT IT IS A SUPPLEMENT AND I DON'T SEE HOW IT COULD HURT TO HAVE THAT. AND FINALLY, THIS BOARD COULD PROMOTE OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, BOTH WITHIN THE CITY AND BEYOND THE CITY TO SURROUNDING AREAS BECAUSE ONE OF OUR GOALS IN CREATING THIS GREAT DOWNTOWN, ONE OF THEM IS TO PROVIDE OUR CITIZENS WITH A GREAT PLACE TO PLAY AND TO ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER, BUT IT IS ALSO TO BRING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE IN TO GET THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS FROM OTHER PEOPLE. I THINK THAT A BOARD COULD BE REALLY USEFUL IN DOING THAT. THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CREATE COMMITTEES, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BY PERFORMING SUCH DUTIES AS THE CITY COUNCIL MAY SPECIFY, NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CHARTER. THE WORK DONE BY CITIZENS SERVING ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS A VITAL PART OF THE WORK OF THE CITY. SUCH INDIVIDUALS PROVIDE THEIR TIME, EXPERTISE, EXPERIENCE AND THEY GIVE US UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES THAT MAY DIFFER FROM OUR OWN. AND THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE BE LACKING IF THE CITY RELIES STRICTLY ON APPOINTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS OR ITS CONSULTANTS. THAT IS STRAIGHT FROM THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HANDBOOK, WHICH WAS

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FIRST OF ALL, THIS WOULD BE A BOARD THAT WAS ADVISORY ONLY, I MEAN, THAT IS A BASIC. AND WHAT THE BOARD'S MISSION OR FUNCTION WOULD BE TO ASSIST AND ADVISE THE COUNCIL IN DEVELOPING POLICY AND ALLOCATING FUNDING, NOT THE BOARD ALLOCATING FUNDING, BUT GETTING ADVICE TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THE PEOPLE PRIORITIES GUIDE THE COUNCIL'S DECISIONS FOR ALLOCATING FUNDING. AND ADVICE ABOUT LEGISLATING CREDIT RELATIONS THAT PERTAIN TO OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. ONE OF OUR DUTIES AS COUNCILMEMBERS IS TO CREATE ORDINANCES . WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, WE CREATED THE ORDINANCE ALLOWING FOR ALCOHOL IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND THERE MAY BE OTHER REGULATIONS THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO EITHER MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR DOWNTOWN OR TO CREATE SPECIAL REGULATIONS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY PERTAIN TO THE REST OF THE CITY FOR OUR DOWNTOWN. THIS BOARD WOULD NOT ONLY BE ADVISORY ONLY, BUT IT WOULD BE AN ADVISORY TO THE COUNCIL ONLY. IT WOULD HAVE NO AUTHORITY, OBVIOUSLY, OVER THE CITY STAFF. THAT IS A GIVEN WITH ALL OF OUR ADVISORY BOARDS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS UNDERSTOOD AND EMPHASIZED. THIS IS A COUNSEL ADVISORY BOARD, IT WOULD BE GOVERNED BY THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE ADOPTED IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HANDBOOK. SO THIS WAS THE PURPOSE GIVEN IN SHELBY'S PROPOSAL. THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT I WOULD MAKE TO THAT PURPOSE. THE DOWNTOWN ROWLETT BOARD , THE DOWNTOWN ROWLETT ADVISORY BOARD IS TO ADVISE THE COUNCIL IN FACILITATING THE EXECUTION OF THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN.

THEY WOULD NOT BE USURPING THAT STRATEGIC PLAN , THEY WOULD NOT BE CHANGING THAT STRATEGIC PLAN IN ANY WAY, THEY WOULD BE ADVISING US ON THE BEST WAYS , IN THEIR OPINIONS, TO IMPLEMENT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN. AGAIN, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE DIRECTING THE STAFF, THEY ARE JUST GOING TO BE GIVING ADVICE TO THE COUNCIL, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WOULD MAKE THIS EVEN BETTER THAN IT ALREADY IS, WE ALL KNOW THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF DETAILS INVOLVED IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PLAN. AS COUNCILMEMBERS, WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON FOR BOARDS IN THE FIRST PLACE, TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE FOCUSED JUST ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, WHO CAN REALLY DELVE IN DEEPLY AND GIVES ADVICE ABOUT IT. SO I WOULD TAKE OUT THIS LINE ABOUT THE BOARD SERVING AS A MECHANISM TO HOLD CITY STAFF ACCOUNTABLE, THE BOARD WILL NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. AGAIN, THE BOARD WOULD NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER THE CITY STAFF, I KNOW THAT THAT ONE WOULD BE A STICKING POINT FOR A LOT OF COUNCILMEMBERS, IT IS A STICKING POINT FOR ME. SO IF YOU HAVE

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AGAIN, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO PROJECTS ON THEIR OWN, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF FUNDING. OUR ADVISORY BOARDS NOW, THEY GET A SMALL FUNDING ALLOCATION, ANYWHERE FROM $3000 TO, I THINK, I GUESS, THE ARTS AND HUMANITIES BOARD IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE MOST , THE BIGGEST BUDGET. THAT IS, MAYBE, $40,000. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO COST THE CITY A BUNCH OF MONEY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED, LET THEM USE THEIR EXPERTISE, LET THEM HELP THE CITY AND SAVE THE CITY MONEY. AND THAT IS MY SPIEL. OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE

COUNCIL. >> COUNSEL, QUESTIONS?

>> NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, JUST KIND OF A WORD OF SUPPORT. I DO SUPPORT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN EXCISE THREE -- ADVISORY BOARD,

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BOARD. >> THANK YOU.

>> I, OF COURSE, AM A HUGE SUPPORTER FOR A DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD, I THINK YOU WERE THERE AS WELL, WE WENT TO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE AND THE CONFERENCE ACTUALLY CHOSE TO SPEND TWO HOURS TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT IN CIVIC PRIDE. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR SMALL TOWN FEEL IS TO HAVE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE THRIVING AND I THINK THE DOWNTOWN SPACE IS A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR ALL OF THAT TO HAPPEN. I DO THINK -- ONE BOARD YOU DIDN'T MENTION, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD ALSO PARTNER WITH OUR ARTS AND HUMANITIES BOARD, RIGHT? I MUST BE HUMBLE, AND TELL YOU, I AM NOT AN ENTREPRENEUR, I WAS NOT AN ENTREPRENEUR, I AM NOT A DECORATOR, I AM LIKE A PARKS AND RECREATION PERSON, LET'S GO SAILING AND HAVE FUN. SO SOME OF THIS STUFF, I NEED EXPERTISE, I NEED TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO ADVISE. I AM A HUGE PROPONENT OF IT AND I WILL BE VOTING TO INSTALL THE

BOARD. >> THANK YOU AND, YES, I THINK I HAD AN ET CETERA THERE ON THE BOARDS IN ARTS AND HUMANITIES, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ONE OF THOSE ET CETERA'S.

>> I WILL GO NEXT. THANK YOU, DEB. I HAVE BEEN PRETTY VOCALLY AGAINST A BOARD, PARTICULARLY THE INITIAL PROPOSAL THAT CAME OUT THAT YOU REFERENCED. IT WAS WAY, WAY, WAY TOO MUCH OVERREACH. AND THAT IS MY FEAR WITH A BOARD, PARTICULARLY AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. I AM JUST GOING TO BE BLUNT ABOUT IT, I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH VESTED INTEREST THAT IF THEY ARE ON THE BOARD, ARE GOING TO DIRECT THINGS A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CERTAIN VISION THAT MAY NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY HAS IN MIND. I WOULD RATHER SEE A VERY ROBUST PUBLIC INTERFACE ON THIS, I KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING ONE OR TWO, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO DO MORE AND, MAYBE, DO THEM IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. WHATEVER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BE MUCH MORE OF A PUBLIC OPEN TYPE OF SITUATION.

I THINK THE CHAMBER IS A GREAT ADDITION, I SUPPORT THAT. I QUESTION, REALLY, I GUESS, LET ME BACK UP A SECOND. WE ARE DOING A HUGE PROJECT AT THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, PROBABLY, I MEAN, A BIGGER PROJECT THAN THIS. WE DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO HAVE A BOARD FOR THAT. SO I GUESS I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT IS GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED HERE. ONE OF THE SPEAKERS EARLIER, I KEEP GETTING THE PREFACE, WE DON'T WANT CONTROL, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY AND MAKE DECISIONS, BUT SHE SAID SHE WANTS -- ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T WANT TO GIVE BOARDS, WE DON'T WANT CONTROL, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE GETTING DONE. WELL, THAT IS OVERSIGHT TO ME, THAT IS THE JOB OF COUNSEL, THAT IS OUR JOB AND THAT IS THE JOB OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. SO ONE, I DON'T REALLY SEE A GREAT NEED FOR IT, I WOULD MUCH RATHER --

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GOING. >> TELL ME WHEN.

>> GO BACK. WHERE WAS THAT AT? >> RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? THE PARKS DEPARTMENT GETS $3000 A YEAR AND $1500 OF THAT GOES TO TREES. THAT IS A PRETTY MINIMAL AMOUNT, I DON'T KNOW. FOR ME, IT FEELS LIKE TO CLOSE OF A GROUP, THE WAY THAT I AM PERCEIVING IT COMING OUT. AGAIN, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MUCH BROADER, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MUCH MORE INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS, MUCH MORE INTERFACE FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, THE CITY WITH THE CITIZENS IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, JUST BECAUSE IT HAS COME UP AND I WANT TO ADDRESS IT. THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THESE VARIOUS DOWNTOWN PLANS THAT WE HAVE HAD, ONE OF THE ONES ON THIS ONE THAT IS UNIQUE OR THAT HAS BEEN REFERENCED A LOT IS THE STATEMENT OF KEN BOONE, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT THE GUY'S NAME?

>> YEAH. >> YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN QUOTED THAT KEN BOONE SAYS, WE NEED A DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SOME INVESTIGATION DONE, ACTUALLY ASKED 10 WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT. I DON'T THINK WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT WAS AN ADVISORY BOARD AND I'M GOING TO CALMLY BECOME WOULD YOU JUST ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT HE SAID? I THINK IT BRINGS SOME CLARITY TO THIS AND I JUST WANT TO ADD IT INTO THE

RECORD. >> SURE.

>> INVESTIGATION IS A REALLY STRONG WORD. NOT QUITE THAT SERIOUS. BUT, TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT? WHEN MR. BOONE GAVE HIS PRESENTATION, HE SAID WE HAD TO HAVE A BOARD, STAFF WAS TAKEN ABACK A LITTLE BIT AND I SAID THIS TO ALL OF YOU, WE WERE SURPRISED, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT REASONABLY PEOPLE CAN'T DISAGREE, BUT THAT HAVE BEEN CONVEYED TO US. SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS HAVE ASKED ME, IS THAT WHAT HE MEANT? I AM NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF SPEAKING FOR ANOTHER ADULT PROFESSIONAL. I ASKED BRITNEY TO REACH OUT TO HIM AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DID YOU MEAN? BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU HAVE CONVEYED TO US. COULD YOU CLARIFY YOUR STATEMENT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ASKED. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO SPEAK FOR HIM AND I DIDN'T, SO WE ASKED HIM TO CLARIFY FOR US, AGAIN, AS SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED, HE DID, HE SENT US AN EMAIL, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO READ IT. SHE HAS IT, IT IS MORE READILY AVAILABLE, I WILL SUMMARIZE AND IT IS AVAILABLE IN OUR RECORDS FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS IT. IN SHORT, HE SAID THAT HE WAS -- I MISCHARACTERIZE, WOULD IT BE OKAY? I HOPE I DON'T, THE SHORT ANSWER IS, HE SAID TO US THAT HE DIDN'T THINK HE WAS REPRESENTED PROPERLY. WHAT HE MEANT WITH A BOARD, THOSE THAT YOU FIND SUCH AS DOWNTOWN , WHAT HE DESCRIBD AS SEPARATE TAXING DRINKS JURISDICTIONS THAT HAD THE ABILITY TO LEVY SOME DEGREE OF REVENUE AND ASSESSMENT TO FUND ACTIVITIES. ANYWAY, BACK TO WHAT HE SAID, HE INTENDED TO CONVEY THAT AND CONVEY THAT WAS VERY MUCH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO ACTIVATE ITS DOWNTOWN. IN DOING SO, THAT COULD BE DONE WITH THE FOCUSED EFFORTS OF AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR OTHERWISE. NOT SOLELY OR NECESSARILY JUST A DOWNTOWN MANAGER. IT WAS A LONG EMAIL, BUT THE GIST OF IT WAS NOT TO IMPLY THAT THE CITY HAD TO AND THAT HIS PLAN SUGGESTED THAT IT HAD TO JUST BE THAT. HE REALLY MEANT THE TAXING BODY THAT HAD

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INTENDED. >> COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP, DID YOU

HAVE ANYTHING? >> I THINK THAT IS IT, I DID WANT TO GET THAT CLARIFIED. MAYBE YOU CAN ELABORATE A LITTLE, THIS IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN IN SOME OTHER PLANS. I HAVE SEEN VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF HOW IT WORKS, YOU DID TALK ABOUT PROMOTION, THEN DOING PROMOTION. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PROMOTION IN VARIOUS WAYS AND WE HAVE VARIOUS RESOURCES YOU COULD PAY FOR AND STUFF. WHAT EXACTLY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PROMOTION, I MEAN, MAYBE, ARE YOU TALKING HIRING? YOU KNOW, HAVING -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. THE REASON I AM ASKING, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. IN VARIOUS PLANS AND EVERY TIME I SEE IT BROUGHT UP, THERE IS DOLLARS ATTACHED TO IT, BARRY LARGE DOLLARS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT THE ROAD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY PROMOTION HERE.

>> NO, I WANT TO ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, I AM TALKING ABOUT THE KIND OF PROMOTING DOWNTOWN THAT THE PARKS BOARD DOES IN PROMOTING THE PARKS. THAT THE LIBRARY DOES IN PROMOTING THE LIBRARY. IS INFORMAL, WORD OF MOUTH, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIRING ANYBODY. THE FUNDING, AS I'VE SAID, THE LIBRARY BOARD GETS, I THINK, EVEN LESS THAN THE PARKS BOARD DOES AND I AM TALKING ABOUT A BOARD SIMILAR TO THOSE BOARDS WHICH WOULD HAVE FUNDING SIMILAR TO THOSE BOARDS FOR THE KINDS OF T-SHIRTS AND NAMEPLATES AND FLYERS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK WE HAVE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT YOU THINK I AM PROPOSING AND WHAT I AM REALLY PROPOSING.

>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, PART OF WHY I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN PUT OUT AND WE HAVE HAD VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS ABOUT SOME OPTIONS ON HOW TO HANDLE DOWNTOWN AND I GUESS I AM LOOKING FOR THE CLARITY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS, THAT IT IS VERY CLEAR AND WE DON'T MAKE THIS MISSION CREEP WHERE IT STARTS OUT AS AN ADVISORY BOARD

BUT THEN, YOU KNOW. >> I KNOW WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE, I THINK WE WOULD BE VERY MUCH ON GUARD AGAINST HAVING THAT HAPPEN AGAIN. I DON'T THINK THAT IS NECESSARILY INEVITABLE WITH ANY BOARD. I THINK WE HAVE BOARDS THAT FUNCTION THE WAY AN ADVISORY BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION AND I THINK IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL LIAISON, THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE TO ENSURE THAT OUR BOARDS ARE DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND NOT ANYMORE. GOING BACK TO MR. BOONE'S COMMENTS, I DID NOT QUOTE HIM. I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, IF THIS WERE A TRIAL COURT, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE MY PROPOSAL WAS NOT PREDICATED ON HIS RECOMMENDATION. MY PROPOSAL WAS BASED ON WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. IF WE GO BACK, THESE ARE NOT LARGE CITIES THAT HAVE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARDS, PILOT POINT, CEDAR HILL, PROSPER, THESE ARE NOT BIG CITIES AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE KIND OF BOARD THAT MR. BOONE APPARENTLY WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE SPOKE TO US, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT KIND OF ENTITY. IT DOES HAVE MONEY INVOLVED, THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT HERE.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT AND, AGAIN, I AM NOT A LAWYER, I JUST WANDER ALL OVER THE PLACE. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, YOU HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES CITIES HERE, ARE THOSE ALL JUST

ADVISORY BOARDS? >> THOSE ARE ADVISORY BOARDS, I SPECIFICALLY LOOKED FOR BOARDS -- CITIES WITH ADVISORY BOARDS.

>> I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR OTHERS. IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC FORUMS, THE OPEN HOUSES, THE ONLINE INPUT, NONE OF THIS

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I THINK HAVING AS MANY SOURCES OF INPUT JUST MAKES OUR IMPLEMENTATION BETTER. YOU TALKED ABOUT BEING AFRAID THAT THE BOARD WOULD SOMEHOW GO IN A DIRECTION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GO AS A COUNSELOR, THAT IS UP TO US AS A COUNCIL. THEY CAN GIVE US ADVICE, WE CAN REJECT THAT ADVICE, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BOARD. AND THE FUNDING IS UP TO THE COUNCIL, WE CAN GIVE THEM $3000, $10,000, $2.50. THAT IS GOING TO BE UP TO THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL TO DO. I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WE GET THOSE CITIZEN INVOLVED AND YOU MENTIONED WANTING MORE CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT, BUT WE HAVE SEEN, PEOPLE DON'T COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IF THEY DO, IF THE PRESENTATION IS LONG, THEY LEAVE. WE SAW THAT TONIGHT. THIS IS A WAY TO GET THOSE CITIZENS FOR WHOM THIS IS THEIR KEY ISSUE, THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM. TO GET THEM INVOLVED. IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO YOU DON'T FEEL SHOULD BE ON THE BOARD, AGAIN, THAT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL DETERMINES THE MEMBERSHIP AND WE CAN PUT WHOMEVER WE WANT TO OR NOT PUT WHOMEVER WE WANT TO ON THIS BOARD. I AM NOT TRYING TO SELL THIS ON BEHALF OF ANY PARTICULAR PEOPLE, I'M TRYING TO SELL THIS AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENHANCE OUR ABILITY TO MAKE OUR DOWNTOWN BETTER. I THINK THAT IS ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT I WROTE

DOWN. >> THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. I SECONDED THIS AGENDA ITEM NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE I AGREE OR DISAGREE, I JUST THINK IT IS WORTHY OF CONVERSATION. THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND I AM STILL, SORT OF, ON THE FENCE. I GET THE WHOLE ADVOCACY, THE CONSISTENCY VISION. I GET THE ENTHUSIASM, ALL OF THAT. AND I LOVE THE CITIZEN INPUT, I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. I GUESS, TO COUNSEL SCHUPP 'S QUESTIONING, YOU KNOW, BRITTANY HAD MENTIONED EXECUTION IS SO IMPORTANT AND, SOMETIMES, WHEN YOU HAVE TOO

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THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, WE CAN JUST HIRE CONSULTANTS. CERTAINLY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME PREFERABLY PEOPLE WHO ARE CITIZENS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY TRAINED IN THIS, THAT IS IMPORTANT TOO.

>> MADE THIS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, ONE THING YOU MENTIONED EARLY ON, THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO STAFF AND A REFERENCE TO THIS BOARD BEING ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT. I WANT TO BE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT EVER A SUPPLEMENT TO STAFF, A SUPPLEMENT TO ADVISE AND COUNSEL IN THAT RESPECT. I THINK MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU LISTED EIGHT CITIES AND MR. HALL MADE MENTION TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE OLSON GROUP. THAT HE WAS REALLY REFERRING TO OR, REALLY UNDERSTOOD THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO, A REVENUE GENERATING DISTRICT THAT EXIST IN DOWNTOWN SPACE, HOW MANY OF THOSE EIGHT CITIES HAVE SOME SORT OF A REVENUE GENERATING

DISTRICT IN THEIR DOWNTOWN. >> IN ADDITION TO THE ADVISORY BOARDS? I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S NOT

SOMETHING I LOOKED UP. >> I WAS THINKING, OF THOSE EIGHT CITIES, IF THEY HAVE THE REVENUE-GENERATING DISTRICTS AND AN ADVISORY BOARD, THEY HAVE AN ADVISORY BOARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE REVENUE- GENERATING DISTRICT OR?

HOW DOES THAT -- >> I THINK THOSE ARE SEPARATE BOARDS, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH TO FIND THAT OUT.

>> COUNSEL, OTHER QUESTIONS? >> REALLY BRIEFLY, ON YOUR PURPOSE, MAY BE A BETTER WORD, WHERE IT SAYS ADVISE THE COUNCIL, INSTEAD OF IN FACILITATING, MAY BE ADVISE THE COUNCIL IN SUPPORTING THE EXECUTION.

>> I LIKE THAT. >> LETS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.

>> ALL OF THIS IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

THIS IS JUST MY SUGGESTION, BUT THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE WILL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. INCLUDING ALL OF THE WORDING.

>> I THINK WHERE I LAND ON IT, SIMILAR FEELINGS TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER REAVES SAID, I DEFINITELY SEE THE BENEFIT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LAND ON ONE SIDE OF THE ISSUE, JUST GIVING MYSELF A LITTLE TIME TO THINK THROUGH IT.

MAINLY BECAUSE I DO WORRY ABOUT SCOPE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHUTDOWN A BOARD AT ANY MOMENT, AT A MOMENTS NOTICE, THIS PARTICULAR BOARD, I THINK, HAS A MORE VESTED INTEREST THAN MOST TO PUSH THEIR AGENDA, WHATEVER THAT AGENDA MIGHT BE.

HOPEFULLY, IT'S FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY, I SINCERELY HOPE THAT THAT IS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THIS, WE WANT A REALLY ROBUST DOWNTOWN WITH REALLY GREAT AMENITIES AND RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS AND DINING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT MAKE DOWNTOWN GREAT. FOR ME, THIS ALMOST FEELS EARLY AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ADOPTED THE PLAN ON OCTOBER 15TH AND STAFF, CLEARLY, BASED ON THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, BEEN DOING A TON OF WORK TO GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE TODAY, OF NOT ONLY JUST LOOKING AT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE DOWNTOWN, BUT THE STRATEGY AND EXECUTION OF THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGY. I THINK I WOULD BE MORE

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I AM KIND OF NOW TALKING OUT LOUD, I'M REALIZING NOW,

PLEASE. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ON YOUR COMMENT, MAYOR PRO TEM. FOR OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE THE VESTED INTEREST, I THINK THAT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THAT IS MY VIEW ON THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY CORRUPT POLITICAL THINGS GOING ON, IT IS FOR THE VESTED INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. AS I AM TALKING, NOW I AM STARTING TO LEAN MORE TOWARD IT AS I TALK OUT LOUD.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT STATEMENT.

>> ALL THE BOARDS, TO AN EXTENT, TRY TO PUSH THEIR

AGENDAS. >> INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBERS TRIED TO PUSH OUR AGENDAS, THAT IS WHAT HUMANS DO.

BY HAVING A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD, WE WOULD GET -- I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH, THIS IS NOT JUST A BOARD FOR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO PROFIT FROM WHATEVER HAPPENS DOWNTOWN, THIS IS A BOARD FOR CITIZEN'S.

MOSTLY FOR CITIZENS, IN MY VIEW. I THINK THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IT BECOMES AN ENTITY.

YES, THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY NO, BUT WHEN THEY ARE CONSTANTLY BEATING ON YOUR DOOR, WE NEED THIS TYPE OF -- THIS TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DRIVER, AT SOME POINT, THERE IS GOING TO BE A FEW YESES TO THOSE NOTES.

IT HAS TO BE A HOLISTIC LOOK AT HOLDING UP DOWNTOWN.

>> COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

>> CAN I COME SIT DOWN? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, THAT WAS VERY THOROUGH, WE APPRECIATE THAT. LET'S GO AROUND THE ROOM AND SEE IF THERE IS INTEREST IN PROCEEDING OR PURSUING THIS

PARTICULAR ENDEAVOR. >> I WILL KICK IT OFF, I AM FOR

IT. >> I AM FOR IT AS WELL.

>> I AM A NO. >> SURPRISE, I AM FOR IT.

>> COULD END UP IN A TIE HERE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU AND I GO.

DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? >> NOT REALLY.

>> SERIOUSLY? >> I WOULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, MORE VOICES IS NOT GOING TO BE A BAD THING. SO THAT IS WHERE I THINK I LAND

ON THAT. >> I THINK, ULTIMATELY, I FEEL THE SAME. IT IS DEFINITELY A DIFFICULT DECISION AND I THINK WHAT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IS WANTING WHAT'S BEST. I THINK THAT THIS GROUP WILL HAVE THAT IN MIND, WHAT WE WILL NEED TO PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO OR ALLOW THE CONCERNS THAT ARE EXPRESSED YEAR, THE CONCERNS THAT COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP EXPRESSED, THAT WE EXPRESSED, IT WILL BE TO KEEP A BEAT ON THIS, BUT WE NEED TO DETERMINE NOW IS THE MAKEUP OF THIS PARTICULAR BOARD.

THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR SEVEN MEMBERS AND TWO TO THREE ALTERNATES. I THINK, OUT OF THIS, WE WOULD START TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT POTENTIAL MEMBERSHIP.

FROM HERE, I WILL FIND IT EVENTUALLY, SORRY.

SO GUIDELINES FOR A RESOLUTION DIVINING SUCH BOARDS MAKEUP, SCOPE OF AUTHORITY, AND ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE? SO IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE, ARE WE OKAY WITH SEVEN MEMBERS? OKAY, I'M NOT SEEING ANY HEAD NODS TO THE NEGATIVE. SEVEN MEMBERS +2 OR THREE ALTERNATES, WHICH ONE? TWO OR THREE?

>> I'M GOING TO GO WITH THREE. 2 YOU DON'T CARE.

>> THIS MAY BE HOT ENOUGH THAT WE GET ENOUGH PEOPLE TO JOIN, BUT WE HAVE HAD ISSUES GETTING PEOPLE ON BOARD'S.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE IT SEVEN AND THREE, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE LESS JUST FOR THE FACT THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FILL IT. JUST GOING OUT THERE AS

SOMETHING TO THINK THROUGH. >> IN TERMS OF THE SEVEN-MEMBER

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? >> I WOULD COPY YET THAT BY SAYING, IF THEY ARE SITTING IN THE RESIDENCE SEAT, THEY SHOULD

BE RESIDENTS ONLY. >> I WILL JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MEMBERS THE GENERAL CITIZENS.

THREE, MAYBE, STAKEHOLDER BUSINESS OWNERS.

>> EXACTLY MY OPINION. >> WHAT KIND? DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS OR JUST BUSINESS OWNERS?

>> I LIKE THE IDEA OF THEM BEING ABLE TO LIVE HERE TOO.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL PUT THAT STIPULATION FOR A RESIDENT.

>> I AM SAYING, FOUR MEMBERS OF THE SEVEN, IT SHOULD BE GENERAL, AT-LARGE CITIZENS. AND THEN, THREE, MAYBE, DOWNTOWN STAKEHOLDERS. WHO MAY OR MAY NOT LIVE WITHIN

THE CITY OF BRALETTE. >> DO WE HAVE THE STIPULATION THAT THEY ALL HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY.

>> EXCEPT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM -- WE MIGHT ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, WE

MIGHT SEE A PROBLEM >> IF YOU HAVE INVESTED YOUR TIME AND MONEY, STARTING A BUSINESS IN ROW LET.

YOU ARE INVESTING TIME AND CAPITAL HERE.

>> I COULD SEE THAT. >> I AM OKAY WITH THAT, YOU

APPEAR >> THREE OF THE MEMBERS WOULD BE DOWNTOWN STAKEHOLDERS. THE THREE ALTERNATES, ANY

PREREQUISITES FOR THEM? >> THREE ALTERNATES THAT ARE THE CITY RESIDENTS OF BRALETTE. -- ROWLETT.

>> WE SHOULD SAY THAT AT LEAST FOUR HAVE TO BE RESIDENTS.

>> IF WE DID NOT HAVE THREE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO WANTED TO BE ON THE BOARD, WE CAN APPOINT SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A BUSINESS

OWNER. >> I WOULD SAY THAT -- I'M GOING TO TRUST THAT COUNCILMEMBERS, IN THE FUTURE, CAN ALSO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO SAY OKAY, THE ALTERNATES HAVE TO BE THIS, I THINK THAT FUTURE COUNCILMEMBERS, WHO ARE ELECTED BY THE PUBLIC, CAN ALSO MAKE

THOSE DECISIONS. >> JUST PERSONALLY, THAT STRIKES ME AS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

WE ARE IN IT, THIS IS IT, COUNSEL CAN ALWAYS DECIDE, BUT I THINK WE BETTER COME INTO THIS LOOKING AT IT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THIS, LET'S APPROACH IT NOT AS A -- WELL, LET'S SEE HOW THIS GOES, I THINK IT IS THAT LEVEL OF SERIOUSNESS THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, WE NEED TO FEEL LIKE THIS DOING THAT.WE ARE TALKING ALTERNATES FOR THE BOARD. 2 I CAN SEE IT.

>> I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT THE ALTERNATES WOULD NOT BE

DEFINED. >> I MISUNDERSTOOD.

>> WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS THAT ARE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT. WHERE WE AGREED OR IS THERE NO DISAGREEMENT. I WILL DEFER TO THE WISDOM OF

COUNSEL. >> WE HAVE A BUSINESS OWNER WHO DROPS OUT AND ALL OF THE ALTERNATES ARE CITIZENS, THEN WE HAVE MORE CITIZENS AND FEWER BUSINESS OWNERS.

WE MIGHT GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE NO BUSINESS OWNERS.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A WAY, ALTERNATES, I WOULD

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>> IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT?

>> NOT NECESSARILY OBJECTION, MAYBE CLARITY.

WHAT DOES BUSINESS OWNER MEET? WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO OWN ASSETS A BRICK AND MORTAR WALK IN BUSINESS.

OR OTHERWISE ASSOCIATED WITH DOWNTOWN?

>> SOMEBODY WHO OPERATES A BUSINESS, NOT JUST OWNING

PROPERTY DOWNTOWN. >> SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY HAS A

FUNCTIONING BUSINESS? >> THAT IS WHAT I MEANT, SOMEBODY WITH A BUSINESS THAT IS PROVIDING A SERVICE OR WHATEVER. NOT JUST I OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY DOWNTOWN, SO I'M GOING TO APPLY FOR.

YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS

YES. >> WE ARE PUTTING IN THREE BOARDS THIS OWNERS, FAIRLY SMALL GEOGRAPHICAL ORDER -- AREA WITH AN EVEN SMALLER NUMBER OF BUSINESSES, WE ARE PUTTING THE ONUS ON PEOPLE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE. I'M NOT SURE THAT IS COMPLETELY

FAR EITHER. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT, ACTUALLY. TWO BUSINESS OWNERS?

CLARIFICATION CITY MANAGER. >> SO, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU SO WHEN YOU DRAFT YOU WILL HAVE THE LANGUAGE.

>> AND CAN WE ALSO WE SHOULD APPLY STAGGERED SO WE ARE TO THE REPLACING THE BOARD AT ONE TIME.

>> HOW LONG WILL THE TERMS BE. >> I WOULD KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH TWO YEARS FOR REGULAR AND ONE YEAR FOR ALTERNATES.

ALL RIGHT. DOES THAT GIVE US THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO PROCEED WITH THIS? OKAY. VERY WELL.

COUNCIL ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS SIDE BEFORE I MOVE ON.

>> DO WE NEED A MOTION. >> THIS AS WORK SESSION.

>> I HAVE A COMMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.

>> MAYBE STATE THE CONSENSUS. >> I HAVE ONE FINAL COMMENT AND THAT'S TO PROTECT STAFF. WE GAVE YOU A SLIDE SHOWING YOU ANTICIPATED TIMELINE AND I NEED IT TO BE ON THE RECORD SO NO ONE COMES BACK AND SAYS YOU ARE NOT MEETING THOSE AND WE WON'T MEET THOSE. AND I NEED THAT TO BE SAID ON THE RECORD. HE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE SAID BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY PLACE.

BUT THE FORMATION OF THIS WILL REQUIRE WE GO BEFORE THE BOARD.

>> I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT.

WOULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN. >> SURE.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO BE SEEN AS DOING SOMETHING IN CONTRAVENTION TO YOUR INSTRUCTIONS TO FORM A BOARD.

YOU'VE BEEN CLEAR HERE TONIGHT TO FORM A DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD. WE SHOWED A TIMETABLE WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS.

WELL, IF WE PUT THE CART HI AHEAD OF THE HORSE AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS, I DON'T WANT ANYONE SAYING TO ME GOSH, YOU HEARD THE VERY CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. WHICH I HAVE.

AND NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO PROCEED AS IF TRYING TO TAKE CONTROL OF THIS PROCESS. AND SO, WE PRESENTED WHAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE I HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE DUTY TO DO SO. AND THE TIMETABLE WE LAID OUT FOR YOU, IT WAS DEPENDENT ON THAT RIGHT? AT THE END WHEN WE SAID NEXT STEPS, AND SO I DONE WANT ANYONE COMING BACK TO US AND AGAIN THIS IS A PROTECTION FOR US, AS STAFF, NOT TO ABOUT BE CONTRADICTORY TO THE ACTION BUT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO WAIT FACILITATE THE

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>> THAT WAS NOT MY UNDERSTAND. IN FACT, MY SUPPORT WAS

PREDICATED EYE HAS NO IMPACT. >> AND I STATED SEVERAL TIMES THAT WAS NOT INTENDED TO IMPEDE THE PROGRESS OF CITY STAFF.

>> I AM OKAY IF YOU TELL ME ON THE RECORD YOU WANT TO US PROCEED, BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE -- DO WE INVOLVE THE BOARD.

>> THE POINT THE BOARD IS FORMED.

>> YES. >> AS LONG AS YOU SAY SO.

>> MY THOUGHTS IS IF THE BOARD GETS APPROVED SHALL WHICH THE FACT WE DID TONIGHT, AND GETS FORMED, AND IT FALLS IN LINE

WITH WHAT EVER CYCLE WE ARE AT. >> YEAH.

>> THAT'S MUSIC TO MY EARS, BUT UNLESS IT SECTION POLICE ITALY STATED, WHICH I AM HAPPY I ONLY HEARD TWO VOICE AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T REALLY VOTE, BUT I NEED NODS OR SOMETHING ON THE RECORD. THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING.

>> I AGREE. >> OKAY.

>> BY SUPPORT OF THIS BOARD IF IT SLOWS THINGS DOWN, I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF SHUTTING IT DOWN. VERY FAST.

>> I WILL CONCUR WITH THAT. >> AGAIN, THOUGH, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO FORM A BOARD THAN IT IS TO SHUT THEM DOWN.

I MEAN, JUST IT JUST IS NOT. >> NOT REALLY.

>> I AM A NOT GOING TO ARGUE. WHATEVER.

>> , OKAY. SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN RECAP VERY QUICKLY. THERE IS CONSENSUS AMONG THE COUNCIL TO FORM A DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD MADE UP SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND THREE OUGHTER KNITS OF THE SEVEN MEMBERS THREE WILL BE BUSINESS OPERATORS, AND FOUR WILL BEVILLE CITIZENS AND THREE OUGHTER KNITS MAY BE EITHER.

DONE TOWN ADVISORY BOARD WILL NOT IMPEDE PROGRESS OF THE STAFF EXECUTED STRATEGIC PLAN THIS IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND HAPPENING. AND DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD WILL PICK UP IN THE PROCESS ONCE THE BOARD IS FORMED.

>> YEP. >> DOES THAT RECAP EVERYTHING

PRETTY WELL. >> YES.

>> VICTORIA, ARE YOU? EXCELLENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ANY OTHER COMMENTS MR. HALL.

>> NO I I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT AS WAS MENTIONED WE DON'T WANT TO STOP. THE TRAIN IS MOVING, AND WE

[4C. Discuss and consider revisions to the Rowlett City Council Rules of Procedure as recommended by the Rules of Procedure subcommittee. ]

>> CITY COUNCIL RULES THE PROCEDURE RECOMMENDED BY

PROCEDURES -- >> OKAY, AND THIS IS NOT REALLY A FORMAL PRESENTATION. YOU ALL GOT THE.

>> BEFORE YOU CONTINUE MR. CHANCE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU FOR BEARING THAT DISCUSSION. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THE CHAMBER IS DOING AND THANK YOU.

SORRY, PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> THIS, YOU'VE GOT THE OUTLINE OF WHAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAD DISCUSSED AND AGREED UPON AND SO I HAD A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP SINCE THAT SUBCOMMITTEE MET, BUT, JUST TO BRIEFLY RECAP, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS APPOINTED BY MAYOR MARGOLES MYSELF AND CROWN MEMBER REAVES AND WE MADE SUGGESTIONS FOR CHANGES AND WE MET AND DISCUSSED THE SUGGESTIONS FOR CHANGES.

AND SO, YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE ALL THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE WANT TO GO LOON BY LINE HERE MAYBE NOT SINCE IT IS AFTER 9:00.

MAYBE JUST DISCUSS THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WHICH WILL TAKE LONG ENOUGH, AND SO, SINCE I HAVE BEEN BURIED IN THIS FOR SEVERAL MONTH, WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS TO HEAR FROM FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS WHAT THEY THINK.

SOME FOR CLARIFICATION AND A LOT EXPAND ON WHAT THE RULES SAY OR THINGS THAT DIDN'T ADDRESS AT ALL.

AND THAT IN SOME CASES ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP.

THAT WE HAD NOTHING IN THE RULES TO GUIDE US.

SO WITH THAT IF YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH ANY OF THESE AND IF WE CAN

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AND GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. >> OP FIRST PAGE QUESTIONS,

COMMENTS. >> I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON SECTION 2.5. HE DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH THE UNDERLINE THAT THEY WILL ADDRESS THE CHAIR NOT ONE ANOTHER BUT THERE ARE INSTANCE WHERE WE ENGAGE IN A BACK AND FORTH DIALOGUE QUESTION AND ANSWER AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET CLARITY AND I WONDER IF THAT STIFLES THAT DISCUSSION

THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE HAPPEN. >> I DON'T THINK SO.

THESE ARE THE RULES BY WHICH MOST FORMAL MEETINGS ARE HELD AND THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE REGULAR MEETING NOT WORK SESSION. BUT YOU KNOW, IF -- LET'S SAY COUNCIL MEMBER REAVES SAYS SOMETHING I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CLARITY OF IT'S IN THE THAT HARD TO SAY MAYORPROTEM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS SAYING COULD HE PLEASE CLARIFY THAT, I

MEAN. >> OKAY.

>> I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT. THINK THAT WE CAN BE CONGENIAL

AND TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. >> THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN WORK SESSION IT'S AN INFORMAL BACK AND FORTH.

NORMALLY FORMAL MEETINGS ARE HELD ACCORDING TO A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL PROTOCOL BUT THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE WE SAY WE OPERATE UNDER ROBERT'S RULES AND THAT'S ONE

OF ROBERT'S RULES. >> I DO UNDERSTAND.

YOU ASKED ME FOR MY OPINION AND THEREFORE I GAVE IT.

>> SURE. >> THE OR QUESTION I HAVE IS AS FAR AS REDUNDANCY WE OPERATE VIA ROBERT'S RULES BUT ITERATE SEVERAL THINGS THAT SAY PER ROBERT'S RULES WE DO THIS THING. IS THAT A NECESSARY INCLUSION?

OR ARE WE MAKING THIS -- >> PROBABLY NOT BUT IT WAS CLARIFYING THIS IS WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE MADE UP. HE THEY AS WE AS THE SUBCOMMITTEE PUT IT IN THERE FOR THAT REASON BUT IT CAN BE

TAKEN OUT. >> COUNCIL, KEEP IT, TAKE IT?

>> COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP I DID SEE THAT.

>> WE CHANGED THAT. >> OH.

>> WE CHANGED THAT IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.

>> OKAY. SO OH, PERFECT, OKAY.

>> , YEAH, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT BUT WE DID

CHANGE THAT. >> THAT'S OKAY.

YEAH, I WAS THE ONE WHO REQUESTED THE COPY OF THIS BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THE PDF AND NOT HAVING MUCH

LUCK. >> I KNOW, IT WAS NOT EASY.

COUNCIL ON PAGE TWO, QUESTION, COMMENTS.

>> >> I AM ENGAGE ONLY AS APPROPRIATE SECTION 2.9 YOU SAY THE DEPARTMENT HEADS SHALL ATTEND SUCH COUNCIL MEETINGS UPON REQUEST OF THE CITY MANAGER AND IT'S -- I WOULD PREFER THAT LANGUAGE NOT SAY SHALL. BECAUSE I THINK YOU MAY RUN AFOUL A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHARTER ON WHY RISK IT.

THE REAL POINT IS YOU ARE GIVING US THE ABILITY TO ATTEND

AND ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. >> MAY.

>> IF THIS IS A AMENABLE. >> JUST TO POINT OUT THAT WAS NOT A CHANGE THE SUBCOMMITTEE MADE IT WAS IN THERE.

>> THIS IS STUFF THAT'S HERE. >> 2.9 THE WORD SHALL WILL BE CHANGED TO MAY. 2.10, ANY QUESTIONS THERE? I HAD A QUESTION BUT IT'S NOT A QUESTION SO RETRACT THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PAGE 2, COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE TO PAGE THREE.

ANY QUESTIONS HERE? MR. HALL.

>> IT'S QUESTION FOR CLEAR IF ICATION THE PERSON CHARGED WITH SETTING UP A ROOM OR ANY OF THOSE 3.6 TOWN HALL MEETINGS, IT IS THE REVISION I BELIEVE SAYS THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND IT ALSO ALLUDES TO THE FACT THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING, MY PRESUMPTION IS THAT THE ABILITY TO CALL THIS TOWN HALL WOULD BE ENACTED MUCH THE SAME WAY AS THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. I WANT IT TO BE CLEAR.

>> OKAY. >> WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT IN

THIS. >> I AM NOT SAYING YOU DO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAD A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.

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>> COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PAGE 3? PAGE 4? QUESTIONS?

MR. HALL. >> AGAIN, I DON'T NOT THE POLICY PART OF IT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE PROHIBITING ANY TOWN HALLS WITHIN 90 DAYS OF A CITY ELECTION VERSUS THE PARTICIPATION OF THOSE MEMBERS WHO ARE UP.

MY ONLY CONCERN ADMINISTRATIVELY IS THERE MAY BE TO TOPICS THAT ARISE THAT MAY RISE TO THE NATURE OF WARRANTING TOWN HALL CONVERSATIONS AND NOW WE WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITED FROM SUCH.

>> SO WE DISCUSSED THAT, AND THE REASON THAT WE MADE THAT CHANGE WAS BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT'S UNFAIR TO CANDIDATES WHO ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THOSE TOWN HALLS BECAUSE IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION TO THE PUBLIC MAYBE THAT THEY DON'T CARE ENOUGH TO BE THIS AND THAT COULD HARM THEM IN THE

ELECTION. >> YOU KNOW SHALL I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT BUT I HAVE MY DUTY TO MAKE SURE I REFLECTED AND STATED THESE THINGS. IF YOU APPROVE IT, IT IS FINE I DON'T WANT SOMEONE COMING BACK SAYING YOU DIDN'T POINT THIS OUT TO US. DON'T HAVE A STRONG POSITION I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THE RECORD AND IF YOU ARE OKAY.

>> WE DID DISCUSS IT BOTH WAYS, AND I SEE YOUR POINT.

BUT I THINK BEING FAIR TO YOU WILL AT COUNCIL MEMBERS, SORT OF TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THAT. AND CERTAINLY THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC BESIDES A

TOWN HALL. >> SO, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULD WE CONSIDER REMOVING THE LANGUAGE ENTIRELY AND NOT RESTRICTING WHEN WE CAN HAVE A TOWN HALL? IT'S VERY CLEAR TOWN HALL CAN'T BE USED AS POLITICAL PROPAGANDA AND UTILIZING CITY RESOURCE WHOEVER STEPS OVER THE LINE WOULD COMMIT AN ETHIC VIOLATION.

WONDER IF THAT'S THE CASE AND IF COUNCIL IS NOT IN A FAVOR THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OPTION TO, AS PER ONE THE LATER PAIR GAFFS, VOTE TO FORGO THE RULES SO WE COULD VOTE TO FORGO THE RULES AND CALL A MEETING IF WE NEEDED TO IF THERE WAS AN

EMERGENCY. >> IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY

SITUATION. >> BUT I WONDER IF IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT IN THERE IF THE QUESTION IS A FAIRNESS TO POTENTIAL CANDIDATES, I WOULD SAY IT SHOULD GO.

>> , WELL, WHAT IT USED TO SAY WAS THAT ANY CANDIDATE WITHIN WHO WAS RUNNING FOR ELECTION WITHIN THE 90 DAYS COULD NOT ATTEND THE TOWN HALL. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING IT THE WAY YOU ARE SAYING. I JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS PARTICULARLY FAIR. I MEAN, YOU COULD LOOK AT IT, AND I THINK THE REASON IT WAS PUT IN THERE, IS THAT CANDIDATES MAY SUBCONSCIOUSLY OR ININTENTIONAL UNINTENTIONALLY BE THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE

RUNNING FOR ELECTION. >> SURE.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR COUNCIL'S THOUGHT WHETHER YOU WOULD RATHER KEEP THE LANGUAGE AS IT WAS OR KEEP IT OR STRIKE IT

ENTIRELY. >> I AM ALONG THE LINES WITH YOU GO BACK BECAUSE, THE OWNOUS IS ON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT STEPPING OVER THE LINES.

BECAUSE THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR ADDRESSING THAT IF THEY DO.

>> WHEN YOU SAY GO BACK, GO BACK TO THE LANGUAGE AS IT WAS

OR THIS -- TAKE THIS. >> TAKE THAT OUT ENTIRELY.

>> TAKE IT OUT? >> YEAH, AND NOT -- I WOULD --

>> IT REALLY INCUMBERS. >> IF THERE WAS A DIRE NEED FOR A TOWN HALL WITHIN 90 DAYS, WE NEED TO HAVE THE TOWN HALL AND WE SHOULDN'T PROHIBIT COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MAY BE RUNNING OR NOT RUNNING. WE JUST FALL BACK TO THEY NEED TO USE THEIR GOOD JUDGMENT, AND NOT STEP OVER THE LINE AND DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE ANY KIND OF CAMPAIGN.

>> SURE. >> SURE.

I AM OKAY WITH THAT. >> I AGREE.

>> THE INTENT OF THE CHANGE WAS NOT TO PROHIBIT THAT ONE OR A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM ATTENDING.

>> SO POINT OF CLARITY VICTORIA WILL YOU MAKE THE AMENDMENT FROM HERE OR OUT OR IS DEPUTY MAYOR PROTEM MAKING IT OUT.

>> I THINK WE BOTH ARE MAKING NOTES.

WE JUST STRIKE THAT ENTIRE YELLOW PART.

>> YES, MY COMMENT ON THAT WOULD BE THEY-- THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AND THEY NEED TO BE IN THAT MEETING. BECAUSE THEY AT THAT POINT ARE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. AND HOW THEY BEHAVE IS UP TO

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TO BE STRUCK. >> ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE HAVE CLARITY AND CONSENSUS.

ANY OTHER THINGS ON THIS PAGE 4 I BELIEVE WE ARE ON.

I HAVE ONE OTHER THING WITH REGARD TO VIDEO CONFERENCE AND CHANGES RECOMMENDED. AND I AM CONCERNED THAT WE ARE A LITTLE TOO VAGUE IN DEFINING WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES MAY BE BEYOND THE MILLION'S CONTROL. I AM CURIOUS IF IT'S A FLAT TIRE, MY CAR WON'T START. WHAT QUALIFIES AS BEING BEYOND A MEMBER'S CONTROL AND WHO IS THE ARBITER OF THAT.

>> IN THE DISCUSSION WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS WHEN THE MEMBERS PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO ABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE OF ILLNESS OR BECAUSE OF YOUR FLIGHT YOU MADE TO GET BACK IN TIME GOT CANCELED, WHETHER IT'S AN ICE STORM WHEN YOU ARE STUCK IN AUSTIN, WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS.

IT'S NOT JUST YOU GO ON VACATION AND OH, YOU WILL PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM MEETING. IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING YOU

CANNOT CONTROL. >> WHO GETS TO MAKE THE DECISION. BECAUSE IN HERE IT'S JUST THEY PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE MAYOR CITY MANAGER, OR THE CITY SECRETARY MIGHT BE AND OR I AM NOT SURE.

BUT AND THEN, IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THERE THERE'S NO JUDGMENT CALL MADE. SO, THE QUESTION IS WHO GETS TO

MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? >> DID WE DISCUSS THAT.

>> THE COUNCIL MEMBER THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION IF COUNCIL FLAT TIRE GOT SICK WHATEVER.

>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THE REASON AND I GUESS MULLETLY IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE ARE WE GOING TO ACCEPT IN THE MEETING TO DETERMINE ARE WE GOING TO

ACCEPT THIS MEMBER PARTICIPATE. >> I HAVE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE NOTICING PROVISIONS BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY PREPARATORY THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN. SO THE COUNCIL CAN'T DECIDE THAT IN THE MEETING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO NOTICE AND DO THE OTHER THINGS THERE WILL BE VIDEO CONFERENCING IN VICE PRESIDETS AND SO THE ARBITRATION OF THAT DECISION TO ALLOW OR NOT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALLOW US TO BE' STRAIGHTIVELY PREPARED IN ON THAT SAME NOTE IT CURRENTLY SAYS THE MEMBER HAS TO PROVIDE THE NOTICE AS SOON AS THEY BECOME AWARE.

THAT MAY BE TEN MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING.

THAT CALLS INTO QUESTION WHETHER THAT'S FEASIBLE FOR US TO STILL GO FORWARD AND GET EVERYTHING IN LINE BECAUSE WE -- THERE ARE A LOT OF VIDEO CONFERENCING ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN.

>> ABOUT HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO SET THAT UP.

>> I AM NOT SURE AND ARE THERE NOTICING PROVISION FOR VIDEO

CONFERENCING. >> THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THIS

PURPLE. >> YEAH, SO FEN EVEN IF THEY PROVIDE IT TEN MINUTES BEFORE, WE WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED TO DO IT WOULD WE? WE COULD INCLUDE THAT ON EVERY

AGENDA. >> AS LONG AS IT IS ON EVERY

AGENDA. >> FROM THE OPERATIONS STAND ON THE I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE. AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT NOW. WE CERTAINLY WOULD ALWAYS ENDEAVOR TO TRY TO FACILITATE, AND I THINK IT HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD SOME THINGS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAPPEN AS QUICKLY.

THERE ARE FACTORS BEYOND OUR CONTROL THAT CAN INFLUENCE IT AND SO THE POINT NO ONE CAN PREDICT ANY OF THAT.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PENALTY FOR NOT DOING IT.

>> UNDERSTOODED. >> BEFORE IT REQUIRES 24 HOUR NOTICE AND A PERSON MAY WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND BE VERY, VERY SICK, WELL, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE THEY KNEW IT IN THE MORNING FOR THE EVENING MEETING AND

COULDN'T PARTICIPATE. >> AND THAT BECOMES SECONDARY TO THE FACT THAT THE NOTIFICATION MAYOR, ITY MANAGER OR CITY SECRETARY I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE MAYOR CITY MANAGER AND CITY SECRETARY BECAUSE CITY SECRETARY IS DOING OTHER THINGS AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO NOTICE AND VICE VERSA SO WE NEED TO BE

ON THE SAME PAGE. >> I AM SOMEWHERE OF THE OPINION THAT WE NEED TO RINSTATE THE SOME SORT OF NOTICE BE IT EIGHT HOURS OR WHATEVER STAFF THINKS IS

ACCEPTABLE. >> I WOULD KIND OF ASK, I MEAN ON THE FLY AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS.

YOU DEALT WITH A LITTLE MORE. >> OF COURSE THIS IS REQUIREMENT DURING THE COVID PROCESS WHERE THEY HAD SOME FLEXIBILITY AT STATE LEVEL TO DO THIS AND THERE WERE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS TO DO THAT AND ONE IS THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO

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>> RIGHT. >> SO THIS IS A MULTI-CAMERA SET UP. AND DISPLAY THAT'S NOT STANDARD. WE DON'T HAVE THE SYSTEM SET UP TODAY. SO THIS IS A NEW DECK NOLY.

>> WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE. >> WE HAVE DONE IT WITH THE

PICTURE UP HERE. >> IT WAS IN THE WORK SESSION.

>> THAT'S EASY THAT'S SET UP FOR THE PROCESS AND WE CAN DO IT THERE. IN HERE MUCH MORE COMPLEX SO GIVE US TIME, WE COULD MAKE SOMETHING WORK.

>> PERMANENT BASIS SOFTWARE OR SWITCH CONTROLLER OR WOULD IT REQUIRE PHYSICAL MOVEMENT OF, YOU KNOW.

>> PHYSICAL MOVEMENT. >> IT ACE COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO BE VISIBLE BUTS TO IT SPECIFY THE REST OF THE COUNCIL HAS TO BE VISIBLE TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER?

>> HAS TO BE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

>> VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. >> RIGHT BUT COUNCIL MEMBER PARTICIPATING VIA ZOOM. BUT YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED THE ROUND TABLE TYPE EQUIPMENT LIKE WE HAVE IN THERE WHERE THIS -- THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WHO IS PRESENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, I THINK, HAVE TO BE VISIBLE TO THE OTHER COUNCIL

MEMBER WHO IS PARTICIPATING. >> NOT NECESSARILY BUT THEN IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD YOU ASK FOR? WOULD YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO

SEE THE REST OF THE COBLE. >> YOU WOULD WANT TO BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S LEGALLY REQUIRED IS MY QUESTION.

>> LET ME ASK THIS PRESUMING THIS STAYS AND WE PURCHASE WHATEVER WE NEED TO PURCHASE TO FACILITATE THE TIMES WE DO, THE QUESTION BECOMES, STAND UP TIME.

HOW -- I DON'T THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT IF WE RECEIVE NOTICE IN AN HOUR WE WILL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> NOISH DOESN'T THINK AN HOUR. >> SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE KIND OF I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TOO ARBITRARY HOW MUCH TIME DOES IT TAKE TO PREPARE FOUR HOURS.

>> IF WE HAVE THE SYSTEM SET UP AND HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY, I THINK THAT TWO

HOURS WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. >> DO WE COVER OURSELVES IF WE PUT LANGUAGE IN HERE UP ON A REASON ACCOMMODATION OR

SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> CERTAINLY, I AM ALWAYS

PLEASED WITH MORE. >> THAT WOULD COVER THAT WE GOT TO CALL TEN MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING OR 15 MINUTES.

REBEL ACCOMMODATION IF WE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.

>> WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION AND COUNCIL PARTICIPATION BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE BEYOND OUR CONTROL AND OTHER THINGS.

>> YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK IT MAY

PARTICIPATE REMOTELY NOT SHALL. >> SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MISS A

MEETING. >> THAT'S TRUE, BUT I LIKE TO FACILITATE HAVING -- BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO US REPRESENT THEM. SO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AS REASONABLY POSSIBLE, I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE HAVING

EVERYBODY INVOLVED. >> STUFF DOES HAPPEN.

>> IT DOES. >> GONE, I FEEL IT'S VAGUE AND WANT A HARD COATED TIME IN THERE BUT DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS

WITH WHAT WE HAVE. >> WHAT ABOUT FOUR HOURS WOULD THAT WORK? HE SAID TWO HOURS SO WE GIVE YOU ANOTHER TWO? FOUR HOURS WOULD BE GOOD.

>> WE ARE NOT DOING THE WORK. >> SO FOUR HOURS I WOULD FEEL BETTER AND I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF THERE WAS SOME MECK N BY WHICH THE COUNCIL AGREES THAT IT'S DEMONSTRATABLY BEYOND THE MILLION'S CONTROL. I KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO TRUST OUR FELLOW COLLEAGUES, BUT I HATE FOR SOMEONE TO START TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PARTICULAR MECHANISM AND ATTEND ALL MEETINGS FROM HOME AND SAY WELL COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY.

>> WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT LIMITING THE

NUMBER. >> THERE WE GO.

I LIKE THAT. >> YEAH.

>> LIMITING THE NUMBER. >> THE NUMBER OF.

>> SEQUENCE MEETINGS CONSECUTIVE --

>> YEAH. >> WOULD THAT BE TWO?

OR. >> MAXIMUM OF TWO.

>> YEAH. >> TWO CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS BECAUSE I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT IT TO JUST ONE BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY BREAKS THEIR LEG OR WHATEVER, THEY MIGHT BE HOME, ESPECIALLY AS MANY MEETINGS AS WE HAVE.

AND AS FREQUENTLY AS WE HAVE THEM.

>> FEEL LIKE SHE IS TALKING ABOUT ME NOW.

OKAY, COUNCIL ARE WE CLEAR ON 3.7? SO FOUR HOUR TIME LIMIT AND NO MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS COULD BE MISSED. ALL RIGHT PAGE 5. I WILL SAY I

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I THINK IT'S BAD FORM PERSONALLY.

I LIKE THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE TODAY WITH MOTIONS COMING FROM THE COUNCIL AND I PREFER TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

>> AND THAT'S WHY I PUT COMMENTS AND MAKING CHANGES BECAUSE IT IS CONFLICTING. AT ONE POINT IT TALKS ABOUT THE MAYOR MAKING MOTION IN ANOTHER YOU KNOW SO WE NEED TO CLARIFY

THAT. >> COUNCIL THOUGHTS ON MOTIONS

FROM THE MAYOR? >> I THINK THAT THE MAYOR SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE MOTIONS. HE IS ELECTED JUST LIKE WE ALL ARE, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAMPER HIM OR HER FROM

DOING THAT. >> NEW ROBERT'S RULE THE CHAIR CAN MAKE MOTION. I MEAN, IF A MAYOR DOESN'T FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE, THAT MAYOR DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> THAT'S TRUE. SO, I AM HEARING -- I AM SEEING NODS FOR THAT. SO.

>> ACTUALLY. >> SUCH THAT A MAYOR CAN MAKE A

MOTION. >> CAN I ASK THE CITY SECRETARY IF SHE HAS THOUGHTS ON THAT? HAVE YOU -- [INAUDIBLE]

>> OKAY. >> IS IT ACTUALLY PROHIBITED BY THE RULES OR IS THAT JUST PRACTICED?

>> IT'S NOT PROHIBITED BY THE RULES.

>> I AM GOING TO STAND WITH WHAT I SAY.

>> WE WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE MAYOR.

>> I AGREE. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO, MAKE WHATEVER ADJUSTMENTS NECESSARY THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENTS TO MAKE THAT BE THE CASE.

COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON PAGE 5? WE ARE GETTING THERE. PAGE 6.

>> WE ARE. >> SO PAGE 6 I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE SLIDE SHOW. SO SPECIFICALLY, SLIDE SHOW AND WITH REQUIREMENT THAT STAFF HAVE THAT PREPARED BY THE DEADLINE, BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE READY.

>> BUT IT DID SAY WHEN AVAILABLE.

>> SO, IN THE EVENT THAT AVAILABILITY IS 10 MINUTES BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING, IS THAT THE INTENDED MESSAGE.

>> NO THE INTEND MESSAGE IS IF IT AVAILABLE WHEN THE PACKET GOES OUT AND IF AVAILABLE TO SAY MONDAY MORNING, FOR THE TUESDAY MEETING, THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK IT OVER

BEFOREHAND. >> CAN WE CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE CITY COUNCIL MAY BE PROVIDED. WOULD THAT BE OKAY? JUST TO TAKE SOME OF THE HARSHNESS OUT OF THE

REQUIREMENT THEY DO THAT. >> SURE.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> , I PREFER --

>> AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT SENTENCE ADDED AVAILABLE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS IS THAT WHAT'S INCLUDED WITH THE PACKET? OR IS THAT LOOK ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS ON TOP OF THAT THAT MIGHT BE GERMANE TO THE

CONVERSATION? >> ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT AVAILABILITY.

IT'S ABOUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR STAFF. BUT IT'S ABOUT NOT HOLDING THINGS BACK AS A SURPRISE TO THE COUNCIL SO WE DON'T HAVE

TIME TO PREPARE. >> OKAY.

>> YES. THERE ARE MANY TIMES I WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THINGS MORE CLEARLY IF I HAD HAD THE PRESENTATION AVAILABLE BEFOREHAND.

>> EVEN A FEW HOURS BEFOREHAND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO OVER IT AND ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT AND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO IT IN

THE MEETING. >> YEAH, I AGREE.

>> THANKS YOU. >> LIKE THIS RED LINE VERSION FOR EXAMPLE. DEFINITELY HELPED ME BEING ABLE TO DIGEST WHAT WAS CONTAINED HEREIN.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PAGE 6.

>> AGENDA 5.2 NO ADDENDUM ITEMS WILL BE ALLOWED.

SO, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A RECENT CHANGE.

I AM SECUREOUS DO WE KNOW THE RATIONAL? THERE MAY BE SOME OPERATIONAL EMERGENCY THAT DEMANDS A.

>> THIS IS THE LAW, ISN'T IT? >> IS IT? I THOUGHT WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME YOU COULD.

>> THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR AN EMERGENCY.

I MEAN THAT'S A VERY NARROWLY DEFINED TERM.

BUT, YES, AND SO, WE HAVE GOT THAT, I THINK.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN'T JUST ADD

SOMETHING. >> YOU HAVE TO POST AMEND

AGENDA. >> AND IT HAS TO BE AN EMERGENCY. YEAH.

>> COUNCIL ANY LAST QUESTIONS ON PAGE 6?

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>> LAST ONE? >> PAGE 7. QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY SO WE ARE TAKING OUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MAYOR SHALL NOT MAKE -- THAT PART ON 6.6.

>> WE TALK ABOUT MAJORITY VOTE REQUIRED.

DO WE. >> HE LANGUAGE WHEN A SUPER MAJORITY IS REQUIRED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> IT SAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY LAW.

WHEN A SUPER MAJORITY IS REQUIRED THAT WOULD BE STATE LAW OR ORDINANCE REQUIRING THAT.

>> OKAY. >> THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS 6.1.1 IT SAYS PUBLISHED ON THE WEB.

>> 11? >> IT'S ON PAGE 7 THE AT THE

VERY BOTTOM PASSAGE PROCEDURE. >> THAT'S 6.11.

>> I SEE THE QUESTION SORRY. ON THE WEB.

CAN WE CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE TO SOMETHING ELSE.

>> OH, SURE. >> I AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOW

WHAT YOU MEAN BUT -- >> SURE, ONLINE.

>> COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON PAGE 7.

>> TO GET TECHNICAL IT COULD BE PUBLISHED ONLINE WITHOUT BEING

ON THE WEBSITE. >> THERE YOU GO.

PAGE 8. COUPLE QUESTIONS ON 6-- ACTUALLY ONE QUESTION ON 6.13.

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE EVENT THERE IS A TIE VOTE THERE'S SIX MEMBERS ON COUNCIL AND SIX MILLION ATTENDING THE MEETING WHERE THE ELECTION OF THE DEPUTY AND MAYOR PRO TEM AND

IT'S A 3-3 SPLIT. >> UNDER ROBERT'S RULE YOU KIN

TO REVOTE. >> BEING A.

>> UNTIL SOMEONE CHANGES THEIR MIND.

>> UNTIL SOMEONE CHANGES THEIR VOTE.

>> OKAY WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG? AND THEN ON 7.1 JUST THE FIRST SENTENCE UNDERLINED PROPOSED NEW BORDER COMMISSION MAY BE PLACED ON AGENDA BY A MAYOR OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE SAME MANNER AS ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM. I FELT IT WAS REDUNDANT AS YOU

ADD ANYTHING ELSE. >> IT WAS JUST FOR CLARITY.

YES. >> OKAY.

>> I MEAN I AM NOT EMOTIONALLY INVESTED ON KEEPING IT.

>> I AM NOT EMOTIONALLY INVESTED IN REMOVING IT.

I FOUND IT REDUNDANT AND THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PAGE 8? ALL RIGHT.

PAGE 9. 7.5, THE LAST SECOND TO LAST FULL SENT HE IS COUNCIL SHALL NOT PLACE ITEMS ON BOARD'S AGENDA OR ADVOCATE FOR OR AGAINST A POSITION ON ANY ITEM ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA MORE ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE BOARD DECISION DECISIONS. I AM WONDERING WHAT QUALIFIES AS ADVOCATING FOR AGAINST OR AGAINST? AT WHAT . DO YOU RISE TO THAT LEVEL OR IS IT JUST YOUR OWN.

>> I THINK SAYING I AM OPPOSED TO THAT MOTION OR WHATEVER EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE NOT VOTING, YOU COULD SAY I AM OPPOSED TO IT OR IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT.

AND WE FEEL LIKE LIAISON UNLIKE MEMBERS, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CASES LIKE WITH EDAB A COUNCIL MEMBER IS A ACTUAL MEMBER VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY COULD ADVOCATE FOR AND AGAINST IN THAT CASE, BUT LIAISONS, WE FELT LIKE ARE THERE TO BE -- TO FACILITATE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD RATHER THAN TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN MAKING THE BOARD DECISIONS.

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION A LITTLE CLARITY.

AT WHAT POINT DOES OPINION BECOME ADVOCACY?

>> AGAIN, THINK WHEN A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, AND YOU SAY, I AM OPPOSED TO THAT MOTION OR I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION.

>> OKAY. SO STRICTLY.

>> YOU CAN GIVE YOUR OPINIONS ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT REALLY THE WAY WE HAVE DONE IT AS COUNCIL LIAISONS.

IT'S BEEN MORE COUNCIL LIAISONS USUALLY IN MY EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARDS THAT I'VE BEEN LIAISON TO, YOU GIVE UPDATES TO THE BOARD ABOUT WHAT THE COUNCIL IS DOING THAT IMPACTS THAT BOARD.

YOU ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE COUNCIL POLICIES ARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT YOU DON'T LITERALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEMS.

>> I DISAGREE WITH THAT. I -- I MEAN I AM ON TWO BOARDS

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AND I DON'T KNOW. SOMETHING I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT GUARDRAILS ON. MAYBE IF THAT'S THE WAY WE WILL OPERATE GENERALLY, THAT'S FINE BUT THIS IS MY OPINION AND QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S THE WAY I'VE BEEN OPERATING.

SO IF I AM NOT -- IF WE DO THIS, IT IS GOING TO LIMIT MY PARTICIPATION AND MY FEELINGS. SO, THAT MAY NOT RESONATE WITH ANYBODY ELSE HERE, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT I WANTED TO BRING

THAT UP. >> WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU.

IT'S NOT -- AND THINK WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS WE ARE NOT SWAYING THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BUT ALL THE TIME I WILL GET ASKED A QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I WILL GIVE MY OPINION, BUT WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR THEM TO DECIDE ON THAT, I WILL NOT ENGAGE IN YOU KNOW PUSHING THEM ONE WAY OR OTHER. I WILL ANSWER A QUESTION.

>> THE DISCUSSION WAS BASED PRIMARILY ON THE FACT THAT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE PEOPLE WHO APPOINT THE BOARD MEMBERS, YOUR OPINION HAS MORE INFLUENCE THAN THE OTHER -- THAN THE BOARD MEMBERS, AGAIN, YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD.

YOU ARE A LIAISON AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MEMBER AND LIAISON. SO THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION

CAME FROM. >> , I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND CHIME IN. I PREPARED THE LANGUAGE TO BE PROPOSED BECAUSE YOU ARE SERVING AS A LIAISON SO YOU ARE A CONDUET SO YOU CAN BRING INFORMATION FROM THE COUNCIL TO THE BORDER FROM THE BOARD TO THE COUNCIL.

YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER THAT IS GIVING YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL OPINION. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF LIAISON IT'S TO PROVIDE THAT CONTOURET TO AND FROM THE COUNCIL.

>> IF YOU GIVE OPINIONS THEY MAY BE THE OPINIONS OF THE

COUNCIL. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND EVERY OTHER BOARD PEOPLE MEETING I SIT ON THERE, ARE COUNCIL LEE ASONS AND ALL THE EDCS THAT SORT OF THING AND THEY ARE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO GIVE AN OPINION UNLESS THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE SPEAKING FOR THE COUNCIL.

>> I THINK MY ONLY RESERVATION HERE IS POINT NUMBER ONE PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD OR COMMISSION WHEN ASKED. AND IN THE EVENT YOU DON'T GET DO THAT? THROUGH POINTS 2 AND 3?

>> WAIT, WHERE ARE WE. >> CITY COUNCIL LIAISON SHALL HAVE THE FINAL AUTHORITIES AND DUTIES PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION WHEN THE BOARD OR COMMISSION ASKED.

I WOULD PROPOSE THAT BE MAY HAVE THE FOLLOWING AUTHORITY OR SHALL BUT STRIKE WHEN ASKED. JUST TO ENSURE THERE'S A.

>> RIGHT. >> A FLOW OF CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENS AND IT'S NOT -- I CAN ONLY RESPOND IF I AM ENGAGED.

>> ALL OF THE BOARD I SERVED ON HAS A SECTION AND AGENDA ITEM

CALLED COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATE. >> IF THE BOARD IS DISCUSSING A PARTICULAR ITEM WITH WHICH YOU HAVE INSIGHT, AND THEY DON'T

ASK YOUR INPUT. >> WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T BE GIVING YOUR OPINIONS.

IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION, CERTAINLY.

BUT UNLESS I AM MISINTERPRETING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, VICTORIA.

>> NO, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE FINE TO SAY THAT THE COUNCIL LIAISON MAY PARTICIATE IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD OR COMMISSION WHEN ASKED INSTEAD OF SHALL, SAY THEY MAY.

>> BUT DON'T JUMP IN WHEN NOT ASKED IS THAT WHAT WE ARE

SAYING. >> WITH A THIS IS A AN OPTION.

>> IT WAS BUT NOW I AM THINKING IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IT ACCOMPLISHES MY OBJECTIVE. IF THE BOARD IS HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT A PARTICULAR EVENT.

AND IT IS BUDGET SEASON, AND THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNCIL THAT BUDGET GOING TO BE REDUCED OR NOT APPROVED FOR THAT EVENT, HOW WOULD THEY COMMUNICATE THAT

INFORMATION. >> THAT'S INFORMATIONAL SO I THINK THAT SHOULD -- BUSH WE SHOULD HAVE A WAY TO -- OKAY.

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>> TO DO THAT. >> OKAY.

>> AND MAYBE WE CAN PUT WORD IN THERE INFORMATIONAL.

>> MAYBE NUMBER TWO PROVIDE. >> PROVIDE.

>> INFORMATION AND OR UPDATES TO THE BOARD.

>> INFORMATION OR UPDATES I THINK THAT WOULD COVER IT.

>> , I MOON I TOTALLY GET THE DRIVE TO NOTVILLE COUNCIL IMPACT BOARD AND COMMISSION DECISIONS.

I FIRMLY APPRECIATE THAT BUT I DON'T WANT TO STIFLE OUR BACK

AND FORTH. >> RIGHT, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, YOU'RE THERE TO BE CONDUET SO IF THERE'S A THING THE COUNCIL DISCUSSED AND DECIDE BY CONSENSUS AND VOTE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT, RIGHT.

>> ANY OBJECTION TO ADDING INFORMATION IN THAT SENTENCE? IN OKAY. 7.6 COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES THE SECOND LOON YOU MENTIONED THREE MEMBER COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE BUT THEN FURTHER DOWN IN THE CASE OF A COUNCIL REQUEST THE TWO REQUESTING MEMBERS SHALL SERVE ON COMMITTEE AND MAY CHOOSE ANOTHER MEMBER SO IS IT A TWO MEMBER COMMITTEE OR CAN IT BE A

THREE. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY IT CAN BE TWO-MEMBER BUT IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN QUORUM.

>> SO MAYBE AT THE TOP. >> TWO OR THREE MEMBER.

>> OR STRIKE OUT IT CAN'T BE ABOVE QUART QUORUM BUT THAT'S GOVERNED BY OTHER LAWS. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

>> NOT ABOUT THE SOMETHINGS YOU ARE REFERRING TO BUT ABOUT THIS

SECTION I DO. >> OKAY.

I -- VICTORIA, I ASK THAT WE CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.

IF POSSIBLE. I -- I AM A FAN OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS ALWAYS BEING WITH THREE PEOPLE.

>> YEAH, I LIKE THAT. >> , I WOULD SAY MAY CHOOSE ANOTHER MEMBER SHALL CHOOSE ANOTHER MEMBER TO SEARCH ON THE

SUBCOMMITTEE. >> I AM GOOD WITH THAT.

>> THE TWO REQUESTING MEMBER WOULD CHOOSE ANOTHER MEMBER OR

CITY COUNCIL. >> I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL

SHOULD CHOOSE. >> OKAY.

I AM GOOD WITH THAT. MR. HALL.

>> LOOKS LIKE. >> LET'S -- SHE MAKING SOME NOTES AND I DON'T WANT HER TO LOSE HER TRAIN OF THOUGHT

WHILE. >> GOT IT.

COUNCIL MEMBERSCHUPP. >> GO AHEAD WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION. HE WILL BE BACK MOMENTARILY.

LETS PAUSE FOR 30 SECONDS HERE. >> PEOPLE CAN LOOK AHEAD AND BE PREPARED TO -- YOUR QUESTION IS ON PAGE 9?

>> YES MA'AM. >> WE I WANTED FOR YOU COUNCIL

MEMBER SCHUPP MR. HALL. >> A BIT OF CLARITY WHEN IT ACE THE FORMATION OF THREE MEMBER COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC ASPECTS OF CITY BUSINESS, I AM NOT CLEAR ON WHAT ADDRESS MEANS COUNCIL HAS THE POWER OVER INQUIRY BUT WHAT DOES ADDRESS MEAN? RIGHT? AND, WE SAY ASPECTS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO, FOR ME THOSE ARE VERY VAGUE.

>> WHAT WOULD BE BETTER WORDING THERE?

>> MAYBE MAKING NOTE AND GIVE THAT CONSIDERATION AND THEN BRING THE FINAL VERSION BACK WHEN THIS IS CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL. THAT WAY IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF ON THE FLY.

AND MAYBE EVEN. >> AND MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY

WOULD HAVE INPUT ON THAT, TOO. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON IF IT IS A SENT END TO THE NEXT PAGE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS MAY AT TIME DEAL WITH CONFIDENTIAL AND SENSITIVE INFORMATION AND SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.

WHAT ABOUT THE EVENT WHEN THERE'S EMAIL DISCUSSION WHICH WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

IS THERE A DANGER IN SAYING THAT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS MAY AT TIMES DEAL WITH CONFIDENTIAL AND WOULD NOT SUBJECT TO THAT?

>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE THE EMAIL NOT SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION NOOK OKAY. I SEE.

>> YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION VERBALLY AND IT'S NOT AN OPEN

MEETING AND EMAIL IS. >> OKAY.

I AM GOOD WITH THAT. COUNCIL PAGE 10.

>> MOVING RIGHT ALONG HERE. >> ANY QUESTIONS ON PAGE 10?

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>> ACTUALLY, I -- I HAVE BEEN READING MANY THINGS.

SOMEWHERE I THOUGHT I SAW THAT CITIZENS INPUT FOR BOARD AND COMMISSIONS CAN ONLY SPEAK ON AN AGENDA.

I AM NOT SURE DID I -- WAS THAT IN THIS ONE OR WAS THAT IN A

DIFFERENT. >> WHEN WE DID THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HANDBOOK, IT DIDN'T SPECIFY, AND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS THERE WERE SOME BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT SAID THAT THEY CAN ONLY SPEAK ON THEIR AGENDAS.

THEY SAID CITIZENS CAN SPEAK ONLY ON AGENDA ITEMS, AND WE DECIDED TO PUT IN THE HANDBOOK THAT THEY HAD TO BE ABLE TO

SPEAK ANY ITEM. >> OKAY.

THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. BECAUSE I KEPT GOING BACK AND WORTH. I KNOW I READ THAT.

>> YEAH. >> SO, UNDER THE WORK SESSION, THINK THIS IS JUST NEEDS A LITTLE CLEANUP BUT IT SAYS DURING THE WORK SESSION ANY PERSON DESIRING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL MADO SO AT BEGINNING OF THE WORK SESSION ON ITEMS IN THE ON THE AGENDA. SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT ABOUT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WHEN DO THOSE GET ADDRESS? I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ON ANY ITEM OR ANY TOPIC MAYBE.

>> WELL, THE MAYOR OPENED IT UP AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM FOR THE CITIZENS SIN PUT. WELL, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT A LOT OF THEM. SO, THAT'S WHY I PUT IT THAT WAY. AT THE BEGINNING WOULD BE FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY COME IN THE BEGINNING AND NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE ANY ITEM AT THE BEGINNING. AND THEN IT CAN BE UP TO THE MAYOR TO SAY DURING THAT ITEM IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK.

>> AND THEN, IN PARAGRAPH B REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM MUST BE SEEPED BY CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF CITIZENS INPUT PORTION OF THE MEETING OR BE COMPLETED AFTER SPEAKING.

I THINK COMPLETED AND TURNED IN OR COMPLETED AND SUBMITTED OR SOMETHING LEEK THAT. BESIDES JUST THROWING OUT AND WALK OUT THE DOOR NOT THAT ANYBODY WOULD DO THAT UNDER STACY'S WATCHFUL EYE, BUT COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PAGE 10 OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

THIS IS NOT A MONOPOLY HERE. OKAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON

PAGE 10? >> LET ME MAKE SURE I'VE GOT 81A CLEAR. SO DURING THE WORK SESSION ANY PERSON DESIRING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL MAY DO SO PRIOR TO THE SPECIFIC ITEM OR DURING THE CITIZEN'S INPUT?

>> ANY ITEM -- YEAH, THINK THAT'S.

>> I THINK THAT'S OKAY. >> THAT WORKS.

>> OKAY. PAGE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION

VICTORIA. >> YES.

>> ABSOLUTELY OKAY WITH THAT. PAGE 11.

I WOULD LIKE CLARITY FROM VICTORIA ON THE SECTION 8.3 BECAUSE I HAVE SIMILAR THOUGHTS REGARDING THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND PERSONAL SLANDERS REMARKS ET CETERA.

WHAT IS THE FINAL VERDICT I SAY WHAT'S THE FINAL VERDICT LIKE IT'S BEEN DECIDED AND THERE'S NO QUESTION BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE STANDARD RESPONSE TO HAVE IN THERE?

>> OKAY WHAT DO YOU MEAN. STANDARD RESPONSE.

>> WHAT WOULD BE STANDARD LANGUAGE ABOUT PERSONAL REMARKS AGAINST A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.

>> A LOT OF. >> WITHOUT INFRINGING ON ANYONE'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

>> CITIES HAVE THE LANGUAGE AND THEY THINK ANY TIME ANYONE SAYS SOMETHING BAD ABOUT A COUNCIL MEMBER AT ALL IT'S A VIOLATION OF THIS RULE. AND IT'S NOT.

IF THE PUBLIC IS ABSOLUTELY FREE AND ABLE TO COME UP AND COMPLAIN ALL THEY WANT TO ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE TERRIBLE YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB ABOUT WHAT A TERRIBLE COUNCIL MEMBER YOU ARE, AND WHAT A LOUSY JOB YOU DID AT THE LAST, YOU KNOW, TREAT FESTIVAL OR WHATEVER. WHAT THEY CAN'T DO IS SLANDER YOU SO THEY CAN'T SAY SOMETHING THAT'S FALSE, AND THEY CAN'T ALSO MAKE A PERSONAL ATTACK ON YOU.

FOR INSTANCE, SOMEBODY THAT GOT A BEEF CAN'T COME UP AND SAY YOU ARE SLEEPING WITH MY WIFE. YOU ARE A DOG.

YOU KNOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS FORUM OR THE WORK THAT THIS COUNCIL DOES. THAT'S A PERSONAL ATTACK.

SO THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. >> AND I THOUGHT I INSERTED

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WHICH IS IN THE COMMENT THAT IS IN GREEN.

THAT'S WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD SAID.

>> CAN YOU SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME INTO YOUR MIC BECAUSE I

THINK IT WAS A VALID POINT. >> IF I CAN REMEMBER IT.

I DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY A TOPIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK SLANDEROUS REMARKS ARE SLANDEROUS REMARKS WHETHER YOU ARE ARE ADDRESSING A ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR WHAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE SLANDEROUS OR PERSONAL ATTACKS ON PEOPLE.

>> SO, LET ME ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY.

IF. >> PEOPLE CAN -- YOU ARE WRONG IN WHAT YOU ARE DOING THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

>> BUT YOU ARE IDIOT. >> OR CALLING YOU LIAR.

>> OR STUPID. >> EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN RELATION TO A CITY ISSUE? CAN WE DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?

>> THAT WOULD BE A PERSONAL ATTACK.

IF IT'S SLANDEROUS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOUR POSITION WOULD BE I AM NOT AN IDIOT IF THAT'S FALSE THAT'S SLANDEROUS.

SO YES, THAT WOULD BE. >> THAT PERSON COULD BE

REMOVED. >> YES.

>> OKAY. I WISH I HAD KNOWN THAT.

OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT COUNCIL, ANY

QUESTIONS ON PAGE 11? >> SMALL QUESTION OR COMMENT ON 8.4. CITY COUNCIL MAY REFER TO APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBERS I ASK YOU SAY THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO RUN INTO CHARTER CONFLICTS.

>> WHERE WAS THAT. THAT WAS A HOLDOVER FROM THE

OLD -- TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR. >> COUNCIL PAGE 11 ALL GOOD.

PAGE 12? ANY COMMENTS THERE? THAT'S AS SHORT ONE. NOT SEEING COMMENTS PAGE 13.

>> I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT 7 $75 PER ORDER.

I DON'T THINK THAT THESE AMOUNTS NEED TO BE CALLED OUT.

I DON'T -- THERE'S INFLATION AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN. AND I DON'T -- I JUST THINK THAT THEY ARE AUTHORIZED TO ORDER FLOWERS TO BE SENT TO THE

FAMILY ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL. >> I AM SURE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN THERE DUE TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY FROM ORDERING $700 WORTH OF FLOWERS.

MAYBE WE COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE REASONABLE AMOUNT OR.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. >> AND IF SOMEONE IS SPENDING $750 ON FLOWERS, THEN THAT'S UP TO US TO COUNSEL THEM.

>> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO US TO GET IT APPROVED AND THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. I AM SURE THAT'S THE REASON IT

WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN HERE. >> I THINK REASONABLE IS.

>> I THINK REASONABLE WOULD WORK.

ANYBODY ELSE. >> CITY ATTORNEY, DOES THAT LANGUAGE GIVE AUTHORIZATION TO THE CITY SECRETARY TO SPEND

FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE? >> IT DOES AND UNLIMITED ACTUALLY AUTHORIZATION. IT WOULD BE MY LEGAL RECOMMENDATION YOU PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT IN.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO INCREASE IT.

>> SO I WROTE DOWN 150. IT'S JUST DOUBLE WHAT WAS THERE. IT SEEMS REASONABLE FOR A NICE.

>> I AM AMEANABLE TO THAT. >> 150 OKAY? 10.1 AND 10.2 WILL BE AMENDED TO SAY $150.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 13? >> I AM NOT SURE.

>> PAGE 14. MR. CITY MANAGER.

>> I AM SPEAKING WAY MORE THAN I WANT TO I NEED CLARIFICATION TELEVISION PROGRAMMING. THE WAY I READ THIS WHEN I JOINED THE CITY THERE WAS A POD CAST AND INFORMATIONAL VIDEOS AND THANKS OF THAT NATURE. IF I READ IT INCORRECTLY, PLEASE CORRECT ME US ABOUT THOSE THINGS WOULD BE PROHIBITED UNLESS EXPRESSLY APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE AGENDA ITEM, I AM NOT SURE WHO IS GOING TO PUT THAT ON THERE. MAYBE THE MAYOR OR COUNCIL

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IS THAT A FAIR READING OF THAT. >> I AM GUESSING IT'S PUT IN THERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE CONTROL OVER THE MESSAGE THAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE REPRESENTING THE VIEWS OF THE ENTIRE

COUNCIL. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY FEELING OR THOUGHT ON IT OR OPINION. I JUST WANT CLARITY SO WE DON'T

UNINTENTIONALLY VIOLATE THIS. >> IT CAN BE CONSENT.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WHAT WE WILL DO FROM THIS POINT FORWARD ONCE THIS PASSES, THERE WON'T BE ANY NEW CONTENT CREATED UNLESS APPROVED EXPRESSLY BY CITY COUNCIL.

>> WELL, CONTENT THAT'S HOSTED BY A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.

>> THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I AM REFERRING TO. MIME IS WHEN WE PLACE THE THINGS ON THE WEB PAGE, SO FOR EXAMPLE A STATE OF THE CITY, WOULD THAT THEN TOO BECAUSE YOU KNOW AGAIN, THE CHARTER SAYS THE MAYOR SHALL DELIVER A STATE OF THE CITY ANNUALLY, DOESN'T SPECIFY THE MANNER. OR THE WAY IT IS DELIVERED.

AND SO, THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR, IT SEEMS TO ME SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED UNLESS APPROVED BY

THE COUNCIL. >> AND IT APPLIES TO ALL TELEVISION PROGRAMS OR VIDEOS HOSTED ON CITY WEBSITES.

SO IT ENCOMPASSES ANY VIDEO. >> THAT'S MY READING OF IT.

SO AGAIN, WANTING -- I DON'T HAVE A AN OPINION BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT SO WE DON'T UNINTENTIONALLY VIOLATE

IT. >> I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE 11.3 GO AWAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM THAT'S ACTIVELY DOING A LOT OF THIS.

AND, THE CONCERN IS THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS GONE OUTSIDE THEIR JURISDICTION I WOULD HOPE THAT STAFF WOULD STAFF WOULD

NEVER RAISE THE QUESTION? >> NO SIR.

WE ARE NOT THE JUDGE OF THE COUNCIL IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR

FORM. >> I TRY TO PROHIBIT YOU INTEREST DOING THINGS OR ADVICE FROM DOING THINGS THAT WHYR ILLEGAL THE ONLY THING I CAN STOP IS YOU HAVING US DO THINGS

THAT ARE ILLEGAL. >> I DON'T SEE THE USE OF THAT

PARAGRAPH ANYMORE TO BE HONEST. >> I AGREE ALSO.

I DON'T THINK IT -- NEEDS TO BE THERE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER REAVES. COUNCIL MEMBER BOWERS.

>> TAKE IT AWAY. >> I THINK IT'S FINE TO TAKE IT

AWAY. >> WE WILL MOVE IT.

>> YOU CAN MAKE ANY VIDEOS AND TV PROGRAMS YOU WANT.

>> WELL, AND THERE BECOMES MY QUESTION.

I WOULD THEN FALL BACK TO THE CHARTER BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER, THE MAYOR IS THE CEREMONIAL HEAD OF THE CITY.

AND THUS IN MY MIND, THE ONLY PERSON IN POWER TO DIRECTLY REPRESENT THE CITY IN THOSE MANNERS.

THAT SAID YOU HAVE BUDGETS AND OTHER THINGS FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND WE WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP YOU BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD NEON A CITY YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REDESIGN OF THE WEB PAGE, WE CAN CREATE MOREAU BEST INTERACTIVE SPACES FOR YOU.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET, SO IT OPEN UP A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS. AND I CERTAINLY ALWAYS TRY TO KEEP US FROM BEING PLACED IN POSITION OF ARBITER FOR YOUR ACTIVITIES BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR

US. >> WELL, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN -- LIKE, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DID HOST, LIKE THE WHAT WAS IT CALLED? CITIZEN IS THE WEEK OR THE MONTH OR WHATEVER. SO, YES, COUNCIL MEMBERS DID IN

FACT HOST -- SO. >> SO HE WOULD ASK THE BODY TO CONSIDER SOME DEGREE OF REGULATING HOW YOU WISH TO BE PROMOTED OR ENGAGED UTILIZING THE SERVICES.

YOU CAN HOST YOUR MEETINGS AND DO ALL THE THINGS WHEN YOU ON YOUR OWN BUT IF THERE'S A NEED FOR OUR SERVICES, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER DEFINING OR PUTTING SCOPE OR LIMITATIONS OR PROVIDING A GREAT DEAL MORE CLARITY ON WHEN THAT'S

APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ENGAGE. >> MAYBE ANOTHER ONE WE WANT TO

FLAG AND THINK ABOUT. >> SPIRIT ARE ROWLETT.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CALLED. >> ANYMORE COMMENTS ON PAGE 14?

>> HERE ENDS THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE REVIEW.

>> I HAVE COMMENTS ON 15. >> DO YOU?

>> NOT REALLY. >> I WAS LIKE REALLY WHAT?

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COUNCIL ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS COMMENTS ON ITEM 4 C?

>> I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S HARD WORK ON THIS.

I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE, AND WE DID A LOT OF HARD WORK ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE, TOO. AND THIS WAS THE NEXT STEP THIS WAS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WASED COUNCIL INPUT, AND I APPRECIATE IT. YOU HAD FEWER COMMENTS AND

COMPLAINTS THAT I EXPECTED. >> ACTUALLY, JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SHINDER I AM JUST THE --

[5. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR FEBRUARY 4, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING]

>> I WANT TO. >> DA WRAPS UP ITEM 4 C AND 5 DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR FEBRUARY 4TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. DO WE WISH TO PULL CONSENT AND AGENDA ITEMS?

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