[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:08] >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. TODAY IS FEBRUARY 17TH, 2025, AT 6:00 P.M. THIS IS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 551 IN THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, THIS MEETING MAY BE CONVENED INTO CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE ON THE CITY ATTORNEY. THE CITY COUNCIL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO RECONVENE, RECESS, OR REALIGN THE WORK SESSION OR HALT EXECUTIVE SESSION IN AN ORDER OF BUSINESS ANY PRIOR TIME TO ATTORNEY. FOR PRIOR MINISTRATION FORMS, INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE THE DOOR THERE , AND GIVE IT TO BE SECRETARY OR MYSELF, AND WE WILL GET YOU INTO THE QUEUE. AGAIN, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE [3. CITIZENS INPUT ] MEETING TO ORDER. THE FIRST ITEM IS EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING. ITEM THREE IS CITIZENS INPUT. AT THIS TIME, COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE AUDIENCE ON ANY TOPIC. NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL DURING CITIZENS INPUT. I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK FOR HIM. SHE IS SPEAKING ON ITEM 4B. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> I HAVE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. DO I JUST READ MY LITTLE -- OKAY. OKAY. MARTHA -- ROWLETT, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING . MY NAME IS MARTHA. DOWNTOWN FIVE YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN IT. I AM HERE TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF BRINGING MORE VOICES TO THE TABLE TO SUPPORT OUR DOWNTOWN, A DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN STRUCTURED PROPERLY TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE , IMPROVEMENTS, AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THIS INITIATIVE MUST BE DRIVEN BY COLLABORATION AND GENUINE DESIRE TO ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY. NOT BY PERSONAL AGENDAS OR UNDERMINING THE CITY. I WANT TO SEE DOWNTOWN RELATIVE THRIVE. AND I AM PROUD TO BE PART OF THESE POSITIVE CHANGES. HOWEVER, I REFUSE TO ENGAGE IN EFFORTS FUELED BY PERSONAL GRIEVANCES OR MISINFORMATION. FOR THIS REASON, I HAVE DECIDED NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD AT THIS TIME. MY FOCUS REMAINS ON RUNNING MY BUSINESS , SERVING MY CUSTOMERS, AND PROVIDING A POSITIVE AND SUCCESSFUL FUTURE FOR OUR DOWNTOWN. I KNOW THAT OTHER DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENT , AND ARE ALSO LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE AND OPPORTUNITIES TO EXIST FOR OUR DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER REQUESTS TO SPEAK THIS [4A. Discuss streetlighting for Lakeview Parkway and other major arterials and the Oncor LED conversion program. The Government Community Achievement Award (GCAA) grant for Lakeview Parkway median enhancement will also be discussed.] EVENING? ALL RIGHT. I AM SEEING NONE. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. ITEM FOUR A, DISCUSS STREETLIGHTING FOR LAKEVIEW PARKWAY AND OTHER MAJOR ARTERIALS FOR THE L.E.D. CONSERVATION PROGRAM. THE GOVERNMENT COMMUNITY ACHIEVEMENT AWARD , GC AA, GRANT WILL ALSO BE DISCUSSED. WE WILL GIVE THIS -- >> TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIGHT , IF YOU WANT TO LOOK TO THE PROCESS. WHAT YOU WANT TO MOVE TO IS ANY KIND OF PROACTIVE CONVERSION WITH THEM, AND WE HAVE A PROPOSAL ON LAKEVIEW PARKWAY ABOUT USING SOLAR , AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE IN THE MEDIAN DESIGN PRODUCT PROCESS. SO, ONCOR IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF HER PLACING FIXTURES THAT FAIL WITH L.E.D. AS THEY FAIL, THEY REPLACE THEM. THAT CHART OVER THERE RUNS THROUGH ALL OF THE INVENTORY OF ONCOR LIGHTS IN THE CITY . THE ONE IN YELLOW ARE ALREADY L.E.D.S . SO, WE STILL HAVE 8570 THAT ARE NOT L.E.D. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE FASTER. I HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT I NEED YOU TO SIGN. THAT JUST REAUTHORIZES THEM TO CLEAN AND [00:05:04] L.E.D. LIGHT WHEN A CURRENT LIGHT FAILS. NORMALLY THEY NEED TO GET SOME PERMISSION FROM US TO CHANGE THE FIXTURE. THIS PROCESS SHOULD MAKE IT GO A LITTLE BIT FASTER. WE ALSO HAVE MAINSTREAM LIGHTS TO CONSIDER. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE A LITTLE FASTER . YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE LOOKING AT GETTING A COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT. WE WILL LOOK AT AGE, TYPE OF FIXTURE, AND WATTAGE. AS AN EXAMPLE, WE HAVE 86 LIGHTS THAT WE LOOKED AT. IT WOULD BE ABOUT $83,000.00 TO COVER THE COST OF THOSE LIGHTS. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE THEY WILL ACTUALLY ANALYZE THE PICTURE . BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE MONTHLY FEE BY ABOUT 10%. SO, IT WILL BE A POTENTIAL FOR A PAYBACK TO FIGURE OUT THAT ANALYSIS FOR THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT. BASICALLY, WHAT COLOR LIGHT WOULD YOU LIKE? THEY CALLED IT 3000 K , AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE YELLOW , LIT UP BY CURRENT FIXTURES THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO, ONE POSITIVE FOR THAT ONE IS IT IS ONE THAT WE DON'T NOTICE AS MUCH. IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK AS INCONSISTENT. OPTION B IS THE NEW ONCOR STANDARD. SO CERTAINLY, IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE HERE , THERE IS A STANDARD IN THE AGREEMENT. AS THEY REPLACE FIXTURES, WE WILL STICK WITH THE 3000 OR 4000. THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS. HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PICK A STANDING FOR ONCOR LIGHTS. DOES ANYONE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT OPTION A VERSUS OPTION B? >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT DARK SKY IS? >> YES. DARK SKY IS A NATIONAL STANDARD THAT TRIES TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT BLEEDS INTO THE SKY. IT IS SUPPOSED TO PRESERVE THE LIGHT THAT GOES BACK UP. >> IT IS ALSO A WARMER LIGHT. I LIKE THE WARMER BETTER. >> THIS IS FOR ALL LIGHTS ACROSS THE CITY. THESE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD FIXTURES. WITH OPTION B , THEY WOULD BE BRIGHTER WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO SLEEP AT NIGHT. >> I NO OTHER LIGHTS ARE CUT OFF. BUT IT CERTAINLY IS A MORE NOTICEABLE LATE . FOR SOME PEOPLE, IT IS LIKE, OKAY , AND A CERTAIN WAY, YOU WANT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK GOOD. IS A VERY DARK STREET. IT'S GOT SOME LIGHT, BUT IT IS A DARK STREET. THIS WOULD AT LEAST PROVIDE MORE VISIBILITY. SO, IT IS WHATEVER YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. >> >> . WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIGHTING. >> MAYBE I CAN LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, BECAUSE OPTION A IS A RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT. HOWEVER, IF WE ARE TALKING -- I THINK FOR ME AND ANYBODY THAT HAS EXPERIENCE IN MUNICIPAL LIGHTING , IT WOULD SEEM THAT AT LEAST ON THOROUGH FARE TYPE AREAS THAT ARE I DON'T WANT TO SAY MORE COMMERCIAL , BUT THE THOROUGH FAIRS ARE HIGH-TRAFFIC , IT SEEMS THAT NOT HAVING THE SAME LIGHTS WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION. I DON'T LIKE THE HIGH SODIUM WHITE LIGHT THAT YOU GET. THERE IS STILL THAT BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT THAT YOU GET. I DON'T REALLY WANT THAT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK IT WOULD PARTICULARLY LIKE DARK SKY VERSIONS OF THEM IN MAJOR THOROUGHFARES . SO, IT WOULD NOT SEEM TO LIKE THAT IS A TERRIBLY BIG TRANSITION TO GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS MIGHT BE [00:10:02] SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER. THEY WILL BE BRIGHTER IN THESE AREAS. TO CONSIDER. I AM NOT SURE. MAYBE THE BRIGHT WHITES DON'T HAVE A PLACE, BUT THEY MIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. >> I THINK THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE WITH THE BRIGHTER LIGHTS BEING IN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES IS THAT SO MANY MAJOR THOROUGHFARES ARE BORDERED BY HOUSING . YOU MIGHT END UP WITH SOME OF THAT . IT IS SPILLING OVER INTO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND THE WINDOWS OF THEIR HOME JUST BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL BRIGHTNESS. I PERSONALLY LIKE OPTION A JUST IN TERMS OF THE COLOR IN PARTICULAR. >> WELL, I CARE ABOUT THE SKY . THE VISIBILITY OF THE SKY. BECAUSE WE ARE IN A SITUATION NOW THESE DAYS WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE THE STARS, AND THE LESS LIGHTS GOING UP AND BLOCKING THE START I THINK WILL BE GOOD. >> I ALSO PREFER OPTION A, BUT I HAVE A PERSONAL REASON FOR THAT. I THINK THE BRIGHTNESS OF OPTION B , YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD REACTION TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIGHTS AND START . LIKE, IF IT TAKES TIME FOR YOUR VISION , I COULD SEE MYSELF IF I WAS AN OPTION B, IT MAY TAKE ME A MINUTE TO REFOCUS, BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY BRIGHT. AND THEN I GO INTO A DARK AREA? IT WILL BE REALLY DARK. >> >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS FOR OPTION A. >> SO, THAT GIVES US AN ANSWER TO QUESTION NUMBER ONE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE AGREEMENT? WOULD YOU LIKE US TO EXPLORE SOME FUNDING OPTIONS PERHAPS FOR MOVING FORWARD A LITTLE FASTER WITH THE L.E.D.? >> I KNOW IT IS ROUGHLY $434.00 FOR A REPLACEMENT. >> GOOD MATH. >> ACTUALLY, THEY SAID 86 IN THE PACKET, NOT 87. IF WE CAN BURN IT ALL AT 2400 , THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE. I AM ASSUMING WE DON'T WANT TO CONVERT $1,000,000.00 FOR FREE. HOW FAST WITH THESE LIGHT BULBS GO OUT? HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE FULL CYCLE TO GET DONE? >> ROUGHLY 15 TO 20 YEARS. THEY COULD ALL GO OUT TOMORROW OR BE THERE FOR THE NEXT 10 OR 20 YEARS. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME POTENTIAL AREAS YOU MIGHT WANT TO FOCUS ON, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT HERE SHORTLY AND ADDRESS THE MAJOR ARTERIAL IS HERE QUICKLY. AND THEN WE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE WE CAN ANALYZE AND SEE WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. >> SO TO THAT POINT, DO WE HAVE A WAY TO HAVE THIS IN SUCH A WAY WHERE IT CAPS OUT? >> YOU MEAN ON PREAUTHORIZATION? >> YES. >> BASICALLY IT IS ONE PAGE. NOW THE THING IS THE LIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH OUR ASK. WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE THE FIXTURE AGAIN. IT WOULD SAVE US TIME IF WE REPLACED THEM IN ADVANCE. >> TO THE PROPOSAL CALL FOR NEW LIGHTS? >> THE NEW LIGHTS WE ARE PUTTING IN OUR ALL L.E.D.S. ALL RIGHT , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THIS. >> >> OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT STREETLIGHTING ON LANGLEY PARK WAY. WHEN WE FIRST BRACED THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO RACES ALL THE WAY DOWN LAKEVIEW PARKWAY TO WORK WITH THE LIGHTS. THERE [00:15:04] WOULD HAVE BEEN A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE PLANTING OF THE MEDIANS. THAT IS WHAT HELD OFF ON RECONDITIONING , BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE FROM THIS PROJECT. SO, THEY ARE OVERHEAD CENTERED VERSUS ON THE EDGE. ON THE EDGE, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE ACCESS COMING IN AND OUT WITH PROPERTY ISSUES IN THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. THAT IS MORE COMPLEX AS WELL. HERE, YOU ARE LOOKING AT SIGNIFICANT DESIGNS AND CANCELLATION IMPACT THAT WE WANTED TO SEE AN OPTION. WE DID FIND AN OPTION, WHICH WAS A SOLAR OPTION. THIS IS NOT QUITE WHAT THE PICTURE LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS THERE SMALLER FIXTURE, AND KIND OF THE FIXTURE WE ACTUALLY PRICED. THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BIGGER SOLAR PACKAGE ON TOP , BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BRIGHTER LIGHT. THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT HAS A LIGHTING PROFILE. IT CAN GIVE THE SAME QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE ENTIRE DARK PERIOD. IT MOVES BASED ON SEASONALITY. YOU HAVE A COST RATE ON THE EARLY EVENING HOURS OR MORNING HOURS OR NO HOURS. THAT ALLOWS YOU TO PROGRAM WHEN THAT BRIGHT LIGHT -- THERE WILL BE A FLUCTUATION WHERE IT DIMS DOWN TO MAKE SURE IT HAS ENOUGH POWER IN THE BATTERY TO GO BACK TO FULL BRIGHTNESS WHEN YOU WANT TO TURN IT BACK ON. SO, IT GIVES US SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE. THERE ARE A TWO YEAR WARRANTY. THEY ARE EXPECTING 10 YEARS NO MAINTENANCE. OF COURSE, I HAVE RIGHT BEHIND ME JESSICA ALLISON. AND NINA LOPEZ . IF YOU GET ASK ME A QUESTION THAT I CAN'T ANSWER, I WILL PASS IT OVER TO THEM. AND IF I SEE ANYTHING WRONG, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO TELL ME. >> SO FAR, SO GOOD. >> SO FAR, SO GOOD. >> I HAD ONE QUESTION. SO, WE ARE USING BATTERIES . OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL ONLY HOLD A CHARGE FOR SO LONG. HOW MANY DARK DAYS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM , WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS FUNCTION? YOU CAN GET FIVE, SIX DAYS IN THE DARK OR ANYTHING. WHAT HAPPENS? >> YEAH, THE WAY THAT IT WORKS IS WE SET CERTAIN PARAMETERS WITH THE BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. WITH THAT, WE SET THE DISCHARGE TO 40%. SO, ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT, LET'S SAY THE BATTERY IS FULLY CHARGED TO ADD 100% TO ONLY USE 40% OF THAT BATTERY. IF IT GOES TO A 40% CHARGE, YOU WILL ONLY USE 40% OF 80%, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. IF YOU CONTINUOUSLY HAVE CLOUDY DAYS , IT WILL CONTINUE TO USE 40%, 50, 60, ET CETERA. WITH THE PANELS, IT TAKES ABOUT TWO HOURS OF DIRECT SUNLIGHT TO CHARGE THE BATTERY COMPLETELY. WHEN IT IS CLOUDY OUTSIDE , THE BATTERIES ARE STILL CHARGING. IT IS DEFUSED SUNLIGHT . THERE IS REALLY NO SCENARIO IN WHERE THE BATTERIES DON'T RECHARGE, EVEN IF IT IS CLOUDY OUTSIDE. WITH DEFUSED SUNLIGHT, YOU NEED ABOUT FOUR TO SIX HOURS OF DIRECT SUNLIGHT. THAT IS WITH NO OBSTRUCTIONS, SHADING, THINGS LIKE THAT. >> I PROBABLY WON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT I WILL ASK IT ANYWAYS. IF WE DO 40% , IS THE LIGHT PROFILE GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIMINISHED FROM WHAT YOU ARE USED TO SEEING? BECAUSE WE ARE DOING 40% ON A BASIS. >> SO, IF THERE WERE AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE IT IS JUST CLOUDY FOR SEVERAL WEEKS , IT IS NOT THAT THE PROFILE WOULD CHANGE, BUT THE LIGHT OUTPUT WOULD CHANGE . IT WOULD REDUCE. THE WATTAGE WOULD REDUCE. BUT THE PANELS , THEY ARE OVERSIZED. SO, WE TAKE THE LAST 10 YEARS OF RADIATION IN ROWLETT, AND WE TAKE THE WORST YEARS OF OUR RADIATION SUNLIGHT , AND FORCE THEM UP. TYPICALLY IN DECEMBER, YOU HAVE 13 HOUR NIGHTS , AND CLOUDY DAYS SEVERAL WEEKS AT A TIME. SO, WE SIZE OUR PANEL AND BATTERY AS IF IT WERE WITHOUT [00:20:01] WEATHER EVERY DAY. YES. >> SO, YOU DESIGN FOR THE WORST SCENARIO ? >> AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT. THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PANELS ARE A BIT LARGER THAN SOME OTHERS , BECAUSE THEY ARE EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE FOR THE AMOUNT OF SUNLIGHT FOR IT NEEDS. >> THANK YOU. >> THE BATTERIES LAST 10 YEARS? AND THEN WHAT IS THE REPLACEMENT COST TYPICALLY? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE APPLICATION. AS WE MENTIONED, WE DO SIZE OUR BATTERIES BASED ON RADIATION IN THE LIGHT OUTPUT NEEDED. FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL UNIT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AROUND $400.00 ON A BATTERY REPLACEMENT , AND THEN FOR A HIGHWAY UNIT, THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, IS CLOSE TO $8500.00. >> SO, THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT IT. THERE ARE DIFFERENT COLORS. ] THE SPACE IS ABOUT 190 FEET. OR, ONE $200,000.00. AS YOU CAN SEE , ALL IT TAKES IS A BASE , AND OF COURSE, A BREAKAWAY CONNECTION. YOU CAN MAKE SURE IT IS A BREAKAWAY. JESSICA HAS INFORMED ME THAT WE WILL MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> CORRECT. AND WE DO FACE THEM TO THE START SOUTH. . >> FOR THE AUDIENCE AT HOME, THIS WOULD COME OUT OF THE BOND. >> ABSOLUTELY. COMING OUT OF THAT THREE-POINT 15. SO, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A CONSTRUCTIVE, POSITIVE OPTION? >> YOU. >> SURE. >> I MET WITH -- , AND THEY HAD THE FIXTURES OUT SHOWING EVERYTHING GOING ON. I WAS TREMENDOUSLY SUPPORTIVE OF NOT HAVING TO TUNNEL OR BURY CABLES AND THAT SORT OF THING. IT'S KIND OF THE SUSTAINABILITY ASPECT OF IT AS WELL , BECAUSE IT'S NOT HAVING A DRAIN , SO TO SPEAK, ALL THE TIME THAT THOSE LIGHTS ARE ON. ONE THING THAT CAME UP DURING MY QUESTION AND ANSWER WITH THEM WAS ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE PANEL COULD BE COVERED? BIRDS OBVIOUSLY DO THEIR THING. HOW MUCH OF THE PANEL CAN BE COVERED AND STILL GENERATE ENOUGH OUTPUT TO RECHARGE AND THAT TWO-HOUR TIME WINDOW? >> THE SOLAR PANELS ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY ADVANCED IN TECHNOLOGY. SO, THERE ARE FOUR CELL SECTIONS. IF ONE CELL SECTION IS OBSTRUCTED , THE OTHER THREE ARE GOING TO CHARGE. OR IF TWO OR OBSTRUCTED, THAN THE OTHER TWO WILL CHARGE. SEE YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF TREE SHADING , AND IT CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE DAY BASED ON WHERE THE SUN IS. THE TWO CELL SECTIONS WILL CHARGE , AND THEN THE OTHER TWO WILL CHARGE WITH THE SHADE HAS PASSED. WITH THE FOUR DIFFERENT CELL SECTIONS, WE ARE ABLE TO MITIGATE THE OBSTRUCTION CONVERSATION. THE PANELS ARE ALSO HYDROPHOBIC, SO WITH THAT, YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS WAX ON YOUR CAR. IT CAN SLIP OFF. WITH THE FIRST RAIN, EVERYTHING WASHES OFF. SEE NEVER HAVE TO HOSE DOWN ANYTHING FROM ANIMALS OR CLEAN IT OFF. WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOLAR LIGHTS OUT IN TEXAS WHERE IT IS JUST DIRT. RIGHT? THERE IS A LOT OF DIRT . WE'VE HAD THEM FOR OVER TWO YEARS NOW, AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH LIGHT OUTPUT. >> THAT'S GREAT. YEAH, I THINK THESE FIXTURES ARE FANTASTIC. I LOVE THE CONCEPT, I LOVE THE IDEA, AND I REALLY LIKE THE PRICE. >> MAY I ASK YOU, HAVING SEEN THEM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THEM ATTRACTIVE? >> AS ATTRACTIVE A LIGHT POLE CAN BE. YES, SURE. SO, THEY HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT DESIGNS THAT THEY HAVE ON DISPLAY THERE. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THESE OPTIONS WOULD WORK NECESSARILY FOR OUR APPLICATION , BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A POLL AT A SPECIFIC HEIGHT.IT HAS TO EXTEND A CERTAIN DISTANCE IN ORDER TO GET LIGHT COVERAGE. I MEAN, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. >> WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE WOULD BE A BLACK FIXTURE IN ON A LIGHT FIXTURE. IT DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LARGER PANEL ON THAT . [00:25:05] >> COMPARED TO TRADITIONAL LIGHTS , WHAT IS THE IMPACT? AS ARE THEY AS BRIGHT? >> YES. WE DO A PHOTOMETRIC REPORT, WHICH WE HAVE PREPARED. I THINK IT IS ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? LET'S SEE. THERE IT IS. YES. YEAH, SO, BASICALLY, WE DO OUR STANDARDS BASED ON -- REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE TYPICAL FOR -- AS WELL. WE MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE DESIGN. SO, THAT IS BASED ON SPACING, SYSTEM SIZE, YOU KNOW , AND WATTAGE FOR THE LIGHTS. >> >> CORRECT. >> >> ORDER TO BORDER. >> COMPLETELY UNIFORM. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS WITH REGARD TO THE TIMING OF WHEN THE LIGHTS COME ON. THEY CAN INDICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER SO THE ENTIRE STRIP COMES ON AT ONE TIME? OTHERWISE THERE CAN BE SLIGHT VARIATIONS IN THE SENSITIVITY AND WHEN THE LIGHTS GO ON. >> THERE CAN BE VARIATIONS. THE SOLAR PANEL ACTS AS A CLOCK. IF YOU GO TO THE PANEL AND PUT A BLANKET OVER IT, THE LIGHT WOULD TURN ON. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY ACTIVATE . CERTAIN SECTIONS WILL PROBABLY TURN ON TOGETHER COMPARED TO OTHER SECTIONS, BUT IT IS JUST BASED ON EACH SOLAR PANEL AND WHAT IT IS READING. THEY DO TALK TO EACH OTHER. WE DO HAVE A MONITORING SYSTEM THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE PROJECT , SO WITH THAT, YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE HOW THE LIGHTS ARE DOING, HOW MUCH BATTERY STORAGE THEY HAVE, HOW MUCH CARBON EMISSIONS YOU ARE OFFSETTING , AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE PROFILE AS WELL . >> FANTASTIC. IT HAS HEALTH MONITORING I ASSUME WITH THE BATTERIES TO NOTE THAT WHEN THEY START TO FAIL, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT? >> YES. YOU CAN DO PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE LIGHTS OFF BEFORE CITIZENS WERE TO NOTICE THEM. YOU CAN GO AHEAD ANSWER TO REPLACE THEM AFTER. >> THE FIXTURE THAT YOU SHOWED BEFORE , YOU KNOW, THIS ONE , HAS THE CROSSBAR THERE . THE ONES THAT WE GOT -- >> DO WE HAVE PRICES OF SUPPORT AT THIS POINT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT JUST CAME WITH IT SINCE YOU SAID THIS WAS SIMILAR TO THAT. >> THEY DON'T COME WITH THAT. I GUESS AN AFTERMARKET ADDITION , SO, WE USE AN EXTERNAL VENDOR , SO IT IS GENEROUS ENOUGH TO ACCEPT ATTACHMENTS THAT WOULD BE PUT IN, AND STREET SIGNS ON THE POLES. >> OKAY. IF IT'S AFTERMARKET, YOU CAN PUT THOSE ON SOME BUT NOT ALL? >> YEP. >> THIS MAY BE A DUMB QUESTION TO ASK. IT WILL BE A MIDDLE INTERSECTION? SO, HOW CAN THEY WITHSTAND CAR WRECKS? WOULD THEY JUST POP OVER? >> THAT'S WITH A BREAKAWAY. THAT SHOULD JUST BE A STANDARD STREETLIGHT TYPICAL TO LIGHTS. THAT'S JUST THE TYPICAL BREAKAWAY BASE THAT ALLOWS IT TO FOLLOW. >> >> BASICALLY THE SAME AS ANOTHER POLL? >> YES, THERE IS A BREAKAWAY FEATURE. >> >> THEY ARE STEEL. INTERESTING. >> THAT WARRANTY IS NOT PRORATED. THAT DOES INCLUDE LABOR AS WELL. YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO HAVE YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT BE SPREAD ANY FURTHER THAN THEY NEED TO BE. WE WILL DO THE REPLACEMENT STRING THE EIGHT YEAR PERIOD. >> >> I'M SORRY? >> >> THE POLES ARE POWDER COATED, YES. YES, THE POLES ARE POWDER COATED. >> FIRST OFF, AS FAR AS THE COLOR OPTIONS , DO WE HAVE A CHOICE THERE? IS IT JUST 3000? >> CONSIDERING WE DO HAVE A CHOICE -- >> THAT'S NOT IN INTENSITY READING. I WOULD AGREE WITH THE [00:30:05] 3000 AS WELL. >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. DO YOU SHUT LINKS DOWN AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? >> PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT. THAT INCLUDES TRAFFIC CONTROL ON INSTALLATION. AS FAR AS TIMELINES GO , OUR STANDARD LEAD TIMES ARE FOUR TO SIX WEEKS . THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE INSTALLATION. THAT WOULD BE FOR MATERIAL. WE CAN COORDINATE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH AS SOON AS YOU GUYS ARE READY. >> ONCE YOU START A PROJECT , THERE ARE WEATHER DELAYS AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. WILL THAT BE A MONTH OF LANES SHUT DOWN? OR WILL THAT BE LONGER THAN THAT? OR THAN THAT? >> YEAH, JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE ON HOW FAST THEY CAN BE PUT UP, THE CITY OF FORT WORTH PUTS UP ROUGHLY 10 A DAY. THEY WERE THEN ABLE TO INSTALL SIX IN TWO MONTHS. SO, THEY ARE PRETTY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THE PRODUCT AT THIS POINT. SO, THEY ARE ABLE TO MOVE QUITE FASTER. THE FASTEST THEY HAVE DONE IS 30 IN ONE WEEKEND. SO, IT WOULD BE OUR CRUISE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH PRODUCTS. WE WOULD EXPECT THAT SAME RATE. >> AND ALL THE LANE CLOSURES WOULD BE ROLLING? >> WHAT PART OF THE SYSTEM DO YOU ALL MANUFACTURE? >> SO, WE ARE THE MANUFACTURER OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. OUR POWER CENTERS ARE FROM FRANCE. WE ARE A FRENCH COMMUNITY INTERNATIONALLY , BUT OUR LOCAL HEADQUARTERS IS IN BROOKLYN. >> I AM SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR CHINA OR ANYTHING WHERE HE MIGHT HAVE SUPPLY ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. ] >> IT'S NOT A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. WE DO HAVE A FORECAST IN COLD STOCK BASED ON BUSINESS PROJECTS. THAT IS HOW WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP IT UNDER SIX WEEKS. >> LET'S GO OVER OUR NEXT STEPS IN A MOMENT. LET'S GO OVER THE MEDIAN. TO ADD $270,000.00 IN 2022 , THEY DID THREE DIFFERENT NIGHTS FOR US. THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS DOING THIS FOR US. WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP , SO I AM NOT SURE OF ALL OF THAT CONVERSATION. BUT HE HAD SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT WHETHER THIS WAS TO GO. YOU CAN SEE THE COST ED - ESTIMATES, AND THOSE OF THE COST ESTIMATES THAT ARE A COUPLE OF YEARS OLD. BUT THAT'S JUST FOR ONE STRETCH. IT REALLY IS A CHALLENGE. THERE IS NO WAY $270,000.00 IS GETTING FAR. ONE OF THE BIGGER COSTS TO IDENTIFY -- SO, ONE OF THE OPTIONS I WAS TALKING THROUGH WITH THEM RECENTLY IS BEING BACK AT THIS PROJECT. YOU COULD LOOK AT TRYING TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING. THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO DO SOME SPOT REPAIRS AND GET SOME MORE HELP. WHETHER THAT IS ADDITIONAL IRRIGATION OR REPLACEMENTS , OR A SPECIFIC PLANT MATERIAL THAT SHOULD BE REPLACED. THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL FOR IMPACTING A SMALL AREA WITH THIS INSTALLATION THAT WE LOSE SOME OF THE STREETLIGHT FUNDING IN THAT AREA. ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO FOCUS ON THE WEST END OR THE EAST END, AND USE THIS AS A GATEWAY THAT WE HAVE DUE TO THE ENTRANCE MEDIANS , AND REALLY LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE. WE WILL HAVE MORE THAN SIMPLY THESE DESIGNS WE HAVE HERE. SO, LET'S KIND OF FOCUS THE FUNDING OR USE THE FUNDING TO SPREAD IT OUT TO DEAL WITH THE AREAS -- THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS ABOUT TODAY. [00:35:06] >> THERE BE ANY NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE IF WE SPREAD IT SPORADICALLY THROUGHOUT EVERY AREA? >> AND STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT. BUT AGAIN, THIS WILL TAKE SOMEBODY TO GIVE YOU A STRONG SUGGESTION ON EXACTLY WHERE THAT GOES. >> I BLOCKED THE GATEWAY ON HERE. INSTEAD OF SPREADING IT OUT , I HEARD THEM DO LESS AND DO IT RIGHT. THEY CAN MAKE IT LOOK REALLY, REALLY NICE TO JUST SPREAD IT OUT IN A WAY I PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE -- >> I HAVE FOLLOWED THE GCA GRANT FOR A LONG TIME. I MET WITH STAFF A COUPLE OF TIMES ON IT. I MET WITH -- ON IT. IT'S BEEN THIS BIG ENIGMA OF A CONVERSATION. AND UNFORTUNATELY , I HAVE AN EMAIL HEAR FROM YOU, CHRISTOPH , THAT WHEN WE WERE GIVEN AN ASSESSMENT , IRRIGATION HAS TO BE THE PLAN OF ANY NEW MATERIAL. SO, THAT IS COMPLICATE THINGS FURTHER, BECAUSE NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING IRRIGATION NETWORKS IN TALKING WITH MARTHA. SHE SAID THAT THE WAY THE MEDIA AND IS DESIGNED IS ESSENTIALLY UNDERNEATH THAT LITTLE BIT OF SOIL THAT IS ON TOP, THERE IS PAYMENT. THAT BRINGS A LOT TO TERMS IN A SWIMMING POOL. WHEN IT DRIES OUT, THERE IS NO WATER THERE, BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING FOR THE SOIL TO REABSORB FROM THE GROUND. IN THE ROOTS AND PLANTINGS THAT ARE THERE ASIDE FROM SOME OF THE TREES NEED TO GO DEEPER. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DRILLED THROUGH THE PAVEMENT THERE. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT IS REALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SUBSTANCE TO GROW. IT IS JUST NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT. I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I TOTALLY FEEL THE SAME WAY. >> WE SHOULD OF HAD A LITTLE BIT OF FORETHOUGHT THERE. >> IT'S CRAZY. THERE ARE STORIES ABOUT THE WAY YOUR ISSUE WAS DONE THAT THE LINES, CONNECTORS, AND MACHINES WERE NOT ALL THE SAME MANUFACTURERS AND INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER VERY WELL. THERE IS NO ABILITY TO REPAIR THE SYSTEM. ALL OF THAT TO SAY I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A PREFERENCE , BUT BASED ON WHAT I KNOW ABOUT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WILL BE A STRUGGLE TO GET ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE DONE. I THINK I WILL DEFER TO THE GATEWAYS JUST BECAUSE THAT WILL HAVE MOST IMPACT ON THE EAST AND WEST END OF THE CITY, BUT WITHOUT THAT, WE WILL JUST DO IT WE CAN WITH THE REST OF IT TO ALLOCATE FUNDING AT THE DIFFERENT TIMES TO REPLACE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN RUN OVER. SO, ALL OF THAT NEEDS ATTENTION , BUT AT LEAST IT IS AN INTENTIONAL EFFORT SINCE THE GATEWAY IS TAKEN CARE OF. >> >> I AM JUST TRYING TO COME TO GRIPS WITH TWO INCHES OF SOIL. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM. >> I WILL ADMIT, I HAVE NOT BEEN OUT THERE WITH A SHOVEL TODAY. BUT I WILL CHECK IT OUT. >> IT HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY A PUBLIC WORKS GROUP. I DON'T KNOW . >> THAT BRINGS TO MIND THE CONVERSATION ABOUT DOWNTOWN FAKE PLANTS. >> YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE -- IT WASN'T WELL, WHERE THE ROCKS LOOKED LIKE WATER , YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT DON'T HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PLANNED. [00:40:04] >> ISN'T THERE A DRIVING REASON THAT THE PLANTS ARE THERE? I THOUGHT THERE WAS A REASON THE PLANTINGS ARE THERE TOO, I DON'T KNOW, BLOCK THE VIEW OR SOMETHING . THERE WAS A REASON THEY WERE THERE. THAT IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DID THIS ON TWO INCHES OF SOIL. >> AND IN THE EMAIL YOU HAD SENT ME PREVIOUSLY , -- WAS AS POSSIBLE TO DO THE WORK. WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THEM TO IDENTIFY THE AREAS . THEY WILL STILL BE DOING WORK. BUT THEY ALSO DON'T HAVE AN EIGHT YEAR WARRANTY EITHER. >> SO, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SOME INTEREST LOOKING AT EAST AND WEST END. WE WILL COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT -- LIGHTS AT 200 FEET ALL THE WAY ALONG. SO, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN THAT. SO, WE DO HAVE SOME WORK TO REALLY ENGINEER THAT DESIGN . WE HAVE DIFFERENT FIXTURES ALONG THOSE STREETS. IT'S BASED ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. THERE WERE 10 LIGHTS IN 10 FEET, WHICH WAS KIND OF ODD. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DESIGN. LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHTS, ENGINEERING, OR DESIGN , AND WE CAN BE CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY DOWN. BUT THOSE COSTS, THIS IS SORT OF A HIGH-END ESTIMATE. WITH THE FUNDING WE HAVE AVAILABLE , WE CAN DO WORK ORDER ON ROWLETT ROAD -- LOW VOLUME ] DOES THAT MEET COUNSEL EXPECTATIONS? >> IT EXCEEDS. >> THAT IS STILL -- LIGHTING? WOULD THEY BE BREAKAWAY BASES? THEY WOULD BE? OKAY. >> THE MEDIANS IN SOME PLACES ARE MUCH WIDER. >> WITH THE STILL BE THE DOUBLE-SIDED FIXTURES ? >> DOUBLE-SIDED FEATURES ARE ADDED INTO THE COST, BUT WE HAVE NOT DESIGNED IT YET. IT CAN BE ONE DIRECTIONAL , SO THE STREETS ARE MUCH MORE DYNAMIC THAN LAKEVIEW PARKWAY. OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE WE HAVE A CONTRACT PUT TOGETHER TO FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> I WANT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT DULL ROCK . BECAUSE THE BULK OF THE TRAFFIC THERE CONTINUES ON PRINCETON. MOST TRAFFIC DOES NOT CONTINUE UP DULL ROCK BEYOND THAT SPLIT TOWARDS THE COAST. >> RIGHT THERE, YES. I AM THINKING MAYBE THERE, WE TAKE PRINCETON UP. THERE IS ALREADY STREETLIGHTING THERE. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS STREETLIGHTING UP DULL ROCK. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THE WORST IDEA , BECAUSE THE STRETCH OF ROAD IS TREACHEROUS, HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT EXIST TODAY, AND IT MAY BE A PRETTY MAJOR CHANGE BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMES THAT, AGAIN, FROM THAT ROADWAY THAT HAVE NOT BEEN LIGHTING UP THIS POINT. >> WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AND BRING THAT TO YOU. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. RIGHT. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS THINK IF WE CAN ARRANGE THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REPLACEMENT GO A PRINCETON, THOUGH, JUST BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A MEDIAN ALL THE [00:45:02] WAY UP UNTIL RIVER GROVE. THERE IS LIGHTING THERE CURRENTLY , AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO JUST REPLACE IT AS WELL. SO, MAYBE SOME OPTIONS THERE ON PRINCETON ONLY , THE DALROCK SIDE ONLY , AND THEN BOTH. >> OKAY. I THINK YOU HAVE GIVEN US EVERYTHING WE NEED. >> TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DESIGN OF LANDSCAPE. WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE TEXTILE OPTIONS AND WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE . ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT YOU USED -- I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE BOULDERS IN DESIGN IN A HIGH-SPEED AREA. I THINK IT IS DANGEROUS . YOU CAN MAKE THE CASE THAT ALSO KEEPS PEOPLE FROM GOING ACROSS THE MEDIAN. THAT IS KIND OF A MAJOR DESIGN CONSIDERATION. THE PLANT MATERIAL ON ALL THAT STUFF WORKS OUT , BUT GET SOME THOUGHT AND SEE WHERE SOME OF THOSE BOULDERS ARE PLACED. JUST THINK THROUGH IT IN YOUR MIND. IS THAT A GOOD IDEA OR BAD IDEA? IT DOES NOT MAKE A CASE EITHER WAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT WILL REALLY COME INTO PLAY. >> WE HAVE ALSO HEARD FROM D.O.T. IN THE PAST THAT THEY DON'T LIKE BOULDERS. AS YOU LOOK AT THE GATEWAY, AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, IF YOU PUT -- IT MAY LOOK LIKE A ROCK, BUT IF YOU HIT IT, IT WILL BE OBLITERATED. >> LIKE STYROFOAM? >> THEY ARE REALLY REALISTIC LOOKING. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. [4B. Review proposed ordinance establishing a Downtown Advisory Board.] >> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO OUR AGENDA ITEM 4B , REVIEW PROPOSED ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING A DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD. THAT ITEM WILL BE PRESENTED, BUT FIRST, I WANT TO READ A STATEMENT THAT I PREPARED. AT THE WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY 3RD, I EXPRESSED HESITATION AND RESERVATION ABOUT THE SUPPLEMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD, BUT ULTIMATELY AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEMS PRESENTED. AFTER MUCH REFLECT IN AND FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE BOARD, I MAINTAIN THOSE RESERVATIONS AND AM EVEN MORE HESITANT THAN I WAS TWO WEEKS AGO. IT WAS MADE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR IN THE STATEMENT REVIEW THAT THE EXISTENCE OF A BOARD THAT WAS LIKELY TO CONTAIN CERTAIN LEVEL OF SPECIAL INTEREST IN WHICH WAS LIKELY TO EXIST IN A STATE OF CONTROVERSY WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. GIVEN THAT THOUGHT, I VISITED THREE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES OVER THE WEEKEND TO GET THEIR TAKE ON THE SITUATION, AND THE FEEDBACK I RECEIVED THAT THESE BUSINESSES HAD SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONTROVERSY THAT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED IN LIGHT OF SIMPLY CREATING AN ADVISORY BOARD , AND AN UNWILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE SHOULD, ONE, BE NOTED. TO ME, THAT IS THE WRONG FOOT IN WHICH TO BEGIN A BOARD, AND I APPLAUD THE BOARD FOR ITS PROPOSAL. I DELETED THE ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE REVIEWING IN THIS WORK SESSION IF WE FORM A BOARD, BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT THE CREATION OF THE BOARD FOR THOSE REASONS. WITH THAT SAID, I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK ON THAT SUBJECT. AND IF NOT, WE WILL PROCEED WITH PRESENTING THE ITEM. >> I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. >> PLEASE. >> I HAVE GIVEN THIS SOME THOUGHT AS WELL, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I APPRECIATE THE DEPUTY MAYOR FOR BRINGING THAT TO CONVERSATION. WE HAVE SEEN WHERE SOMETIMES BOARDS AND CONDITIONS CAN SOMETIMES SPIRAL BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL INTENT WAS. THESE CAN SPIRAL OUT OF WHATEVER. IT IS INCUMBENT ABOUT CITY COUNCIL TO STICK THEIR IT. I JUST THOUGHT THROUGH IT SINCE THAT TIME, AND I AM REALLY NOT FOR IT AT THIS TIME. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PROPER SCOPE , AND WHAT YOU PRESENTED WAS GOOD. SO, I AM NOT TRYING TO GET IT AGAINST WHAT YOU PRESENTED. THE CHALLENGE IS TOO MUCH NOISE CREATED THAT WILL DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD. NOT BECAUSE OF HOW THE SCOPE IS , BUT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE NOISE THAT SURROUNDED IT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR [00:50:02] CITY. >> I RESPECT YOUR OPINION. I HAVE TALKED TO SOME CITIZENS AND DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS. JUST REGULAR CITIZENS AND THE USERS OF DOWNTOWN WHO WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE BOARD AND WANTED TO BE ON THE BOARD. AS I SAID THEN, THE NOISE OUT THERE WAS NOT THE SAME NOISE IS WHAT I WAS PROPOSING. AND I WAS NOT EVEN -- WE ENDED UP WITH MORE BUSINESS ALLOCATIONS THAN I WAS EVEN PROPOSING. BUT I THINK THAT, SURE, ANY BOARD CAN SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ADD A FEAR OF THAT TO KEEP THE CITIZENS OUT OF SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS THIS. AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO GET CITIZENS INVOLVED. I KNOW TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT, YOU ALL KNOW THAT IT IS SORT OF A HIT OR MISS THING COMING OUT. AND IF WE WANT TO SAY NO BUSINESS PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, I AM OKAY WITH THAT. YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE BOARD. I AM OKAY WITH THAT. THAT WAS A MATTER OF COMPROMISE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AT THE BOARD SESSION. WE KNOW OUR BEST. WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS. WE WILL DECIDE FOR YOU. AND THAT IS IS NOT THE DIRECTION I WILL GO. >> >> I THINK WE WERE KIND OF INSISTENT WITH THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD BEING CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES. I KNOW WE COMPROMISED OUR BUSINESSES IN ROWLETT. I DON'T HAVE ANY FEARS. IT IS PROPER FOR US TO PUT UP THE PROPER GUARDRAILS , SO WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON. CHANCE. >> I AGREE WITH YOU ALL. IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, I HAVE NOT GAINED ANY ENTREPRENEUR INFORMATION. I HAVE LEARNED WHAT RUNNING A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OR EVENT IS LIKE. I WOULD DEFER TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ARE INTERESTED WHO WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME DOWNTOWN TRAININGS FOR CONFERENCES. IT IS THE GRASSROOTS PEOPLE THAT ARE EXCITED TO GET OUT THERE AND ARE EXCITED TO REALLY BE IN THE DOWNTOWN. FOR ME, IT IS THAT HOMETOWN FEELING. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONTINUALLY HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS . THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE STILL WANT THAT SAME SMALL TOWN FEELING. FOR ME, THAT IS THE WAY THAT YOU MAINTAIN THAT. YOU HAVE THESE CONNECTIONS , YOU HAVE THE STANDING MEETINGS, EVEN, THAT THAT IS HOW YOU MAINTAIN THOSE CONNECTIONS. SO FOR ME , I STILL SUPPORT THE DOWNTOWN BOARD FOR THOSE REASONS. I AM CERTAINLY WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON MEMBERSHIPS, HOWEVER, WE HAVE GOT TO DO THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ROTATE SOME BUSINESS MEMBERS THROUGH THE BOARD , BUT IF WE WANT IT TO BE , YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITHOUT AN INTEREST IN THE DOWNTOWN , THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME AS WELL. BUT I FEEL LIKE IT IS IMPORTANT. I WANT THE DOWNTOWN -- I WANT DOWNTOWN TO BE SOMEWHERE WHERE FAMILIES CAN GATHER. WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE ON A BOARD THAT HAVE FAMILIES. YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT A MOM WITH A FOUR-YEAR-OLD NEEDS. SO, I NEED [00:55:02] TO TALK TO PEOPLE , THEY NEED TO COME TALK TO ME, OR I NEED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM. I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE . THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT WAYS THAT WE CREATE COMMUNITY. >> AND IN THAT ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, A LOT OF CITIES HAVE THOSE , AND THEY DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THOSE BOARDS BECOMING POLITICAL OR HAVING A SPECIAL INTEREST. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID, AND WE HAVE ALL GOTTEN THE EMAILS, THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL SPECIAL INTEREST THAN THE SENIORS BOARD IS A SPECIAL INTEREST FOR SENIORS. IT IS NO MORE SPECIAL INTEREST THAN A PARK SPORT A SPECIAL INTEREST TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PARKS. YES, PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN INTEREST, AND THAT IS REALLY ONE OF THE STRENGTH OF THE WHOLE BOARD IDEA OR CONCEPT. WE, AS A COUNCIL, WE HAVE SO MANY, MANY TOPICS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON. WE CAN FOCUS EVERYTHING AND ALL OF OUR ENERGY ON JUST ONE OF THEM, WHEREAS F1 THESE BOARD MEMBERS, THAT IS THERE SPECIAL INTEREST. AND THAT MEANS THAT THEY WILL BE REALLY DEDICATED TO THIS, AND THAT THEY WILL PUT A LOT INTO THIS . THAT IS WHY I AM INTERESTED IN IT. IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE OUT OF TIME. >> WELL, I HAVEN'T SPOKE, SO YOU DON'T KNOW, DO YOU? LAUGHTER ] >> YOU ARE THE TIEBREAKER. >> SO, OBVIOUSY, YOU KNOW MY POSITION. SO, WE WON'T REHASH THAT. AND I MADE IT CLEAR FROM THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING THAT DIRECTIONALLY, I DID NOT HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH SOME KIND OF DOWNTOWN BOARD. I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE. HAVING SAID THAT, I HAVE DONE A COUPLE OF THINGS. I TALKED TO MOST DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS. THEY DON'T KNOW THERE IS A BOARD. THEY WILL NOT SERVE. THEY WILL NOT SERVE ON A BOARD IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR IT. SO, I DON'T KNOW. THAT IS PRETTY SALTY IF THE PEOPLE MOST AFFECTED BY IT , THAT WOULD HAVE THE MOST INPUT INTO IT OR TAKE OUT OF IT, DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT , HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CHARACTERIZE IT. BUT BE COMFORTABLE WITH A BOARD , EVEN AT HIS AS IT IS NOW, MAY BE THEY DON'T WANT TO SERVE ON IT. MAYBE TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR HAND AND PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF THE CITIZENS. THAT'S APPROPRIATE. THE ONE THING ABOUT A BOARD , AND JOHN I THINK KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT, REGARDLESS , YOU KNOW, WE CAN COMPARE IT TO THE PARK SPORT. THERE IS A LOT OF POLITICAL BAGGAGE AND EMOTION THAT IS ATTACHED TO THIS. SO, I THINK THAT DOES CHANGE IT. YEAH. I WOULD PROBABLY PREFER MORE OF A ROBUST CITIZENS INPUT FROM A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS . I KNOW THAT WILL PUT A LOAD ON PEOPLE TO DO THAT TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS , BUT IT JUST SEEMS MORE IMPACTFUL TO ME TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR RCC. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? I AM LOOKING AT YOU, INVESTOR DOWNTOWN . THIS IS A PART THAT HAS BOTHERED ME . WE KEEP SAYING THIS IS THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN. RIGHT? AND I AM NOT SURE THAT EVEN WITH THE BOARD, I AM SURE THAT THEY ARE BEING COMPLETELY REPRESENTED. THE PEOPLE ARE. PEOPLE WHO LIKE PARKS WILL GO TO THE PARKS? I THINK IT'S OKAY, AND MOST PEOPLE WHO ATTEND THINGS LIKE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS , I THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US COMMIT TO DOING THOSE RATHER THAN DOING A BOARD. >> I WILL JUST ADD THAT THIS IS A NONPROFIT ENTITY. WHILE WE COULD MAKE IT NO BUSINESS OWNER , THERE IS STILL FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY WHAT OUR BOARD WOULD BE. AND [01:00:04] AFTER WE HAD THAT MEETING, I HAVE BUYERS REMORSE AFTER THE MEETING. I PERSONALLY THOUGHT I MADE A MISTAKE. ONCE YOU HAVE MONEY ON THE LINE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE IS A LOT MORE HYPE AROUND IT. WE WANT BUSINESSES TO DO WELL. WE WANT BUSINESSES TO COME AND INVEST HERE. BUT I THINK HAVING A BOARD, THAT IS OUR JOB. WE CAN TALK TO CITIZENS ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND ULTIMATELY WE CAN STICK TO IT AND GET THINGS DONE. THE DOWNTOWN PLAN IS AMAZING IF WE COULD ACTUALLY DO IT. THAT'S NOT A FIVE-YEAR PROJECT . THAT'S A DECADES LONG PROJECT . I MEAN, TO GET ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO TAKE SO MUCH COORDINATED EFFORT AND TIME. IN MY OPINION, THE BEST THING WE CAN DO AS THE COUNCIL IS TAKE THE DIRECTION AND STICK TO IT. AND BY THAT, I MEAN WE TALK TO THE CITY MANAGEMENT AND MAKE SURE ALL THE CODES AND ORDINANCES ARE DEVELOPED. WE WILL DO THE LIGHTING AND THE ARTWORK AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT , AND HOPEFULLY, BUSINESSES WILL SEE THAT AND SAY OH , THERE IS A CHANCE FOR ME TO EARN A PROFIT HERE IN THIS BUSINESS. THAT IS THE ULTIMATE. BUT I THINK OUR JOB IS TO TILL THE SOIL FOR BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO COME AND PLAY HERE. I THINK THAT WE CAN LET THE WATERS UP IN MY OPINION, AND THAT MIGHT CAUSE US TO CHASE SQUIRRELS . BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, WE HAVE TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN , AND HE CAN REALLY CAUSE US TO NOT STICK TO OUR VISION. >> AND I AGREE WITH OUR JOB, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT US DOING THAT JOB IS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE WITH HAVING A BOARD TO GIVE CITIZEN INPUT AND INVOLVEMENT. I DON'T SEE HOW THE LIBRARY BOARD MUCKS UP THE WATER OF THE LIBRARY . >> THERE IS NOT A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY INVOLVED IN THAT. THERE IS NOBODY WILL COME TO THE LIBRARY AS A FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS THAT CAN CAUSE HYPE AROUND IT. >> THERE ARE VENDORS THAT SELL BOOKS TO THE LIBRARY. I WON'T GET INTO AN ARGUMENT. WE JUST DISAGREE. >> IF WE CREATE THIS BOARD, WE ARE NOT DELEGATING RESPONSIBILITIES. I DON'T WANT TO FORGET THAT KEY BRICK IN THEIR ADVISORY. WE STILL RETAIN THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE OBLIGATION TO MAKE DECISIONS. WE ARE SIMPLY GETTING THEIR THOUGHTS. AND I WOULD BE FINE IF WE ELIMINATED BUSINESSES. >> WHAT IF WE HAD A DOWNTOWN SUBCOMMITTEE AND HAD A REGULAR SESSION WITH PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN, AND IT THAT GETS ALL THE VOICES YOU E - WANT TO GET FROM THE BOARD ANYWAYS, BECAUSE IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. THEY WILL COME DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT. >> WE ALWAYS SAY WE WANT TO GET ENGAGEMENT FROM OUR CITIZENS, AND THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GET ENGAGEMENT FROM OUR CITIZENS. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD ARGUMENTS GOING AROUND. >> I THINK IT IS GOOD IF WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION , BECAUSE I HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM THAT THINKING WELL, WE STILL HAVE MORE BUSINESS INVOLVEMENT THAN WHAT I ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED. SO I THINK THIS DISCUSSION IS GOOD TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT FINE-TUNING THEM AND TWEAKING THAT , WHICH MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IMMUTABLE TO SOME OF YOU, BUT I THINK IT IS ACTUALLY A BENEFIT. >> MAYBE I CAN TAKE THE OTHER POSITION , BECAUSE A LOT OF BOARDS THEMSELVES GET MAD ABOUT IT, AND THEY CAN'T DECIDE WHAT THEY THINK. I THINK THE WAY THIS IS BEING SET UP , AND IF THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING , DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE BOARD TO DO ANYTHING? BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP NUMEROUS TIMES , THIS IS WHAT THE NEW ITERATION OF THE DOWNTOWN PLAN IS. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HAD HAS PROBABLY BEEN GOOD PLANS, BUT NOBODY TOOK THE PLAN AND SAID WE, AS LEADERS OF THE CITY, ARE GOING TO DRIVE THIS PLAN. WE WILL GET THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT IS IMPORTANT, BUT THIS IS VERY MUCH A CAPITAL PROJECT. IT IS A PROJECT. THAT'S THE THING. IT IS A PROJECT, AND WHEN I THINK OF ADVISORY BOARDS , THIS IS GOING TO SOUND BAD. I DON'T MEAN FOR IT TO. BEFORE A PROJECT LIKE THIS, A CAPITAL PROJECT, I LOOK [01:05:03] AT MY ADVISORY BOARD FOR PICKING UP THE COLOR OF A LAMPPOST , YOU KNOW? OR SOME OF THE AESTHETIC THINGS, WHICH I THINK ARE IMPORTANT , BUT I THINK THOSE CAN BE DONE, AGAIN, THROUGH TOWN HALL MEETINGS. YOU ARE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. >> NO. I AM SORRY. I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY AT ALL. I DON'T SEE IT AS DRIVING OR CERTAINLY BEING SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT THE CAPITAL PROJECT. BUT I DO NOT SEE THEM DRIVING THAT AT ALL. THAT IS A COUNCIL AND STAFF -- >> WE ARE COMPARING IT TO THE HISTORICAL WHAT WE HAVE GOT. WE HAVE ONE THING, AND NOTHING HAPPENED BECAUSE NOBODY TOOK IT. WE HAD A SECOND PLANE THAT DID NOT GO ANYWHERE FOR WHATEVER REASON. >> THAT HAPPENED WITHOUT A BOARD! >> THAT IS MY POINT. >> I DON'T THINK THEY HAD A PLAN WHERE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND STAFF WAS ALREADY -- WE ARE PICKING OUT TRAITS. YOU KNOW? WE HAVE GOT INTO ACTIONABLE ITEMS, WHICH I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF ANYBODY EVER GOT TO AN ACTIONABLE ITEM BEFORE. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE ACTIONABLE ITEMS . I DON'T WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS A LOT HOLDING US BACK ONCE WE GET PAST THIS. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE , YOU KNOW, TOWNHALL LIKE MEETINGS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE FIVE OR SEVEN PEOPLE ON A BOARD . ] >> TO HELP DRIVE ATTENDANCE TO IT. THEY PROMOTE AND GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE PEOPLE AWARE. >> AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE MAKING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PROGRESS HERE. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A SPLIT DECISION IN THE ABSENCE OF THE MAJORITY , AND NOTHING CHANGES. UNLESS THERE IS A DESIRE TO GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE LOOKS LIKE ON A FUTURE DATE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A REASON TO HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY. THOUGHTS ON THAT FEEDBACK? DOESN'T MEAN NOT EVER. I SAID IN THE LAST WORK SESSION WE HAVE THAT I DON'T THINK NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME, AND IN RETROSPECT, I HAD SOME OF THE SAME FEELINGS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN NEVER, BUT I THINK NOW IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME. WE HAD A TREMENDOUS PRESENTATION THAT WAS VERY IN DEPTH. A LOT OF OPTIONS WERE PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. LET'S SEE WHERE THAT GOES. WE ONLY PASSED IT IN OCTOBER. THAT IS WHEN WE ADOPTED THE PLAN. SO, LET'S GIVE IT SOME TIME TO FERMENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BOARD MEETING? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 4C, PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND TIMELINE FOR PURCHASING AND IMPLEMENTING SPIDR TECH INAUDIBLE - OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] [4C. Provide an update and timeline for purchasing and implementing SPIDR Tech communication software services from Versaterm Public Safety US, Inc. (Versaterm). ] >> ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL. LET'S RECONVENE. WE WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND TIMELINE FOR PURCHASING AND IMPLEMENT TRAINING SPIDR TECH FOR PUBLIC SAFETY U.S. CHIEFTAIN? >> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME IN AND PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE TO THE FORMERLY CALLED SPIDER TECH COMMUNICATION SYSTEM. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO -- WE ARE TAG TEAMING THIS. HE IS ACTUALLY HEADING UP THE TEAM THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE VENDOR . WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE TESTING PHASE. >> I WILL GET KICKED OFF. >> A LITTLE BIT OF AKRON INFORMATION, WE HAD 2024 MASTER SOFTWARE SERVICES THAT WERE APPROVED AND SIGNED BETWEEN THE CITY OF ROWLETT AND PUBLIC SAFETY. SO, AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH, AS YOU RECALL OUR BUDGETING PROCESS , WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT I LEARNED ABOUT THEIR VARIOUS COMPASSES AND THINGS AND TALKING ABOUT OTHER CHIEFS OF POLICE IN CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN TEXAS AND UTILIZE THE SYSTEM AND [01:10:03] WE RECEIVED FROM IT IS FEEDBACK FROM THEM. WE THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY GOOD FIT FOR US HERE IN THE CITY OF ROWLETT. SO, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS A SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT WILL FULLY INTEGRATE INTO OUR EXISTING RMS THE STUMP, AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT PROVIDES UPDATES TO 911 CALLERS, RECORDING PARTIES , AND PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO GIVE FEEDBACK FOR A SURVEY SYSTEM VIA TEXT AND EMAILS ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES AND SERVICE LEVELS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE PRESENTATION GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE COMMITTEE CONNECT SYSTEM, AND WILL WALK YOU THROUGH A TENTATIVE START DATE. >> IS THE CHIEF SAID, WE PUT TOGETHER AN INTERNAL TEAM . WE STARTED OUT WITH MONTHLY MEETINGS BACK IN OCTOBER WHEN THIS KICKED OFF, AND THEN AS WE GOT INTO DECEMBER, WE STARTED TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT AND START GETTING MORE COMFORTABLE AND START HAVING WEEKLY MEETINGS, ANSWER RAMPING THIS UP. SO FAR, IT HAS BEEN VERY GOOD. WE WORKED WITH AND DEVELOPING THE MESSAGE TEMPLATES THAT WE HAVE , THE SURVEY QUESTIONNAIRES , MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE EMPLOYEE INFORMATION AND OTHER RESOURCE INFORMATION SO THEY CAN USE TO PROVIDE LINKS TO OUR COLLARS. LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, CURRENTLY , WE HAVE A TESTING PHASE. THERE ARE THREE AREAS TO FOCUS ON AND THREE MODULES IN THE SYSTEM. THERE IS THE C.A.T. MODULE THAT IS FOR PATROL , THERE IS AN INVESTIGATIVE MODULE, AND THERE IS AN INSIDE MODULE. THIS IS WHERE YOUR SURVEYS COME FROM. EVERY CALL THAT COMES IN WILL SEE THREE PHASES. IT WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE CALL, ANY TYPE OF UPDATE UP TO AND INCLUDING THE CLOSING OF THE CALL , AND THEN THE FEEDBACK PHASE. THAT IS THE MAIN COMPANY, AND THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE WORKFLOW OF HOW IT STARTS, FROM THE INCIDENT THAT BEGINS TO THE 911 CALL TO A C.A.T. EVENT BEING CREATED. THE REPORT IS MADE AND IS ON INTO INVESTIGATIONS, AND WILL NOW GO INTO THE OTHER MODULE , AND THEY WILL BE GETTING ACKNOWLEDGMENTS AND CHANGES AND UPDATES THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS UNTIL THE FINAL DISPOSITION WHERE THERE IS AN ARREST MADE OR SENT ON TO THE COUNTY. IF A CALL COMES IN AND IF IT IS CLEARED OUT WITH THAT MUCH MORE BEING DONE, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SURVEY. IF A BEDROOM AND GOES OUT THERE , THEY TAKE AND ARREST REPORTS, SAME THING. SAME THING FROM THE INVESTIGATIVE MODULE. I KNOW A SURVEY CAN BE TRIGGERED. IT'S NOT LIKELY TO RECEIVE ALL THREE SURVEYS . AFTER A CALL COMES IN IMMEDIATELY , A SYSTEM COMES INTO PUT TOGETHER THIS ACKNOWLEDGMENT MESSAGE . THIS IS JUST A GENERIC ONE PROVIDED BY PERSONAL TERMS, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT DOES TRIGGER THIS INFORMATION AND CAN GIVE THEM A RESOURCE. I CAN SHOW YOU THAT IN JUST A MOMENT WITH WHAT OURS IS LOOKING RIGHT NOW. THIS COULD BE A DELAYED RESPONSE . WE HAVE A HIGH CALL VOLUME IN THE QUEUE. WE WILL LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING HIGH CALL VOLUME AND THAT THEIR CALL IS STILL THERE, AND IT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO CALL US IN AND UPDATE US. MAYBE THEY WANT TO CHANGE , AND WE CAN DO IT AGAIN TOMORROW. IT PROVIDES THEM A NUMBER SO THAT THEY CAN CALL. THE 40% REDUCTION TO THE CALLERS AND DISPATCHERS, THIS IS PROVIDED IN PERSONAL TERMS, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR. BUT THE IDEA BEHIND THEM SERVING THEMSELVES TO THIS MESSAGING SYSTEM SHOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT WE ARE DOING. SO, IF A REPORT IS GENERATED AND THEY ARE A VICTIM OF CRIME , THEY WOULD ALSO GET A VICTIM ACKNOWLEDGMENT MESSAGE LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO ANOTHER MODULE , AND IT IS GIVING THEM MORE RESOURCES TO LOOK AT. AGAIN, [01:15:03] MORE NOTIFICATION AND MORE CONNECTION WITH THEM. AS IT SAYS , MULTIPLE CAN INDICATION IS IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES , AND WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO PUT OUR MESSAGING IN SPANISH AND IN ENGLISH. WE ARE DOING THE TESTING, AND THIS IS THE MESSAGE THEY SENT TO MY PHONE THAT SHOWS YOU HOW IT COMES THROUGH. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE PROVIDED WITH THE TIME AND DATE OF THE CALL , AND THEN THE HYPERLINKS. THIS IS JUST A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE GOT YOUR CALL AND THAT WE ARE ON THE WAY. IF YOU CLICK ON THE HYPERLINK, IT WILL TAKE THEM TO A MESSAGE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS WHERE AGAIN, THIS IS A PHONE NUMBER. YOU CAN SEE IT TAKES THEM TO OUR DEPARTMENT WEBSITE. THEY CAN CLICK ON THE HYPERLINK FOR THE ONLINE SERVICES AND FORUMS , CRIME VICTIM ASSISTANCE, OR IF THEY JUST NEED TO GET A REPORT WHICH -- SO AGAIN, THEY ARE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THINGS WITH THIS MESSAGING SYSTEM, AND IT SHOULD SAVE US SOME CALLS. SO, IF YOU SEE AT THE TOP, IF THEY CLICK THE WRONG ONE AND NEED IT IN SPANISH, AT THE VERY TOP, AND TELL THEM IF YOU NEED IT IN SPANISH, CLICK THIS, AND IT WILL TAKE THEM TO THE SPANISH PORTION. THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS IN SPANISH, AND THE SAME IS REVERSED. WE CAN GO BACK AND GET IT IN ENGLISH IF YOU CLICK ON IT ON ACCIDENT. THIS HAS THE HYPERLINKS IN IT. THE REQUEST IS ALREADY BEEN PUT IN, SO PLEASE UPDATE THAT AS WELL. SO, FROM A HIGH LEVEL PATROL WORKFLOW, THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS. THIS COMES IN, THEY GET THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT, THE CALL GETS CLOSED OUT , AND PENDING ON THE CALL TYPE, IT TRIGGERS THE CIRCUIT. THIS ACKNOWLEDGMENT GETS INTO ALL THE STUFF I JUST SHOWED YOU, AND THEN THE CALL MUST BE COMPLETED AND CLEARED BEFORE A SURVEY IS TRIGGERED. FROM AN INVESTIGATIVE MODULE, IT IF IT ENDS UP GOES -- IF THE REPORT GETS MADE, A DETECTIVE GETS ASSIGNS, IT WILL TELL THEM WHO THEIR DETECTIVE IS , ANY CHANGES WITHIN THAT CASE WILL ALSO GO UP TO THEM, AND THEY WILL GET THOSE NOTIFICATIONS, AND THEN IT GIVES THEM UPDATES ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THEIR CASE . AND THEN AT THE COMPLETE CLOSURE OF THE ENTIRE EVENT, IT TRIGGERS ANOTHER SURVEY. EACH ONE OF THESE IS DESIGNED. IF IT IS JUST FROM THE CALL, THEN THE SURVEY IS, LIKE, HOW DID OUR CALL DO? IF IT GOES TO THE PATROL MODULE, SAME THING . SO, THESE ARE THE THINGS WORKING OUT THERE. AND I JUST EXPLAINED SOME OF THE UPDATED MESSAGES. WHO THEIR DETECTIVE IS, THE FACT THAT THERE ARE RESOURCES OUT THERE , THEY ARE TYPICALLY UNDER ARREST OR A CASE GETS FILED. IN THIS HERE, THIS SHOWS A MESSAGE FROM THE VICTIMS MODULE. YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS YOUR REPORT NUMBER , THE OFFENSE, TIME AND DATE, AND SHOWS THE CURRENT CASE STATUS IS OPEN OR ACTIVE. IT SHOWS THEM WHO YOUR DETECTIVE IS, AND WE HAVE IT SET UP TO WHERE IT WILL PROVIDE THEM WITH THE DETECTIVE'S PHONE NUMBER. SO THERE IS NO LONGER A CALL ON A GENERIC NUMBER TO SAY I AM LOOKING FOR DETECTIVE SO AND SO. IT GIVES THEM THE NUMBER AND THEIR NAME AND THEIR EMAIL. CLICK ON THAT, AND IT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE DETECTIVE WORKING THEIR CASE. SO, IN ADDITION, IF THEY ARE A VICTIM OF CRIME, AND A REPORT HAS GONE THROUGH AND THEY ARE WORKING IT, IT IS ALSO GOING TO GIVE THEM ACCESS TO A VICTIMS REPORT. SO, ASIDE FROM THE MESSAGING, THEY CAN GO INTO THE PORTAL THEMSELVES AND ACCESS IT TO THEMSELVES, AND SEE WHAT THE STATUS OF THE CASE IS. SO, IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE WINDOW. IT'S NOT A TWO WAY COMMUNICATION, IT IS JUST TO LOOK AND SEE HOW THINGS ARE GOING. >> WE KEEP USING THE WORD VICTIM. SO, THESE ARE ACTUALLY DESIGNED FOR VICTIMS OF CRIMINAL OFFENSE, NOT NECESSARILY THERE IS A SHIFTY LOOKING GUY ON THE COURT ORDER. CORRECT? >> CORRECT. THE SURVEYS ARE CALLED , AND WILL BE GIVEN TO THE VICTIM. WE CAN STILL HAVE -- [01:20:07] THEY WILL STILL GET AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE CALL , AND DEPENDING ON THE CALL, WE CAN STILL ACTIVATE THE SURVEY BASED ON THAT ALONE. SOME OF THAT SMALL DETAILS WE ARE STILL MAPPING OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY CAN STILL DISCERN THAT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION TWO. IT SHOWED 911 CALLS THAT COME IN. IS IT ONLY 911? OR WHAT ABOUT NONEMERGENCY OVER THE PHONE? >> YES. THE NONEMERGENCIES, IT HANDLES ALL OF THEM. >> NOW, THERE WILL BE SOME CALLS , BECAUSE WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THE NOTIFICATION THAT WE WANT TO BE SENT FOR. SOMETHING LIKE A FAMILY VIOLENCE IN PROGRESS, WE WILL NOT -- WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE OR VICTIMS RECEIVING TEXT MESSAGES THAT COULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE. >> YEAH. SOME OF THE CALLS ARE MUTE. SO, YOU HAVE THE PORTAL THERE. THE INSIDE MODULE IS DESIGNED TO GIVE US FEEDBACK AT A COMMAND LEVEL. HOPEFULLY THIS IDENTIFIES SOME POTENTIAL COACHING ISSUES AND WHAT POTENTIAL TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES COULD BE. THE OPTIONS ARE OUT, AND ENCOURAGE GOOD BEHAVIOR THROUGH THE FEEDBACK WE GET , AND COMMAND POSITIVE COMMUNITY RESPONSES AND FEEDBACK. SO, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE PROJECTED TO GO LIVE IN MARCH. IT COULD BE MID TO LATE MARCH , AND OUR IDEA RIGHT NOW IS TO USE OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM TO BLAST OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT IS COMING. GOOD SIR, YOU ARE UP. >> THANK YOU. SO, JUST CLOSING THIS OUT, REALLY THE OVERALL BENEFIT , YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY ALIGNS WITH OUR MISSION, WHICH IS TO WRITE -- OUR GOAL IS TO CONNECT TO COMMUNITIES THE EVENTS AND COLLABORATION. THE KEY WORD IS CONNECT. I'VE TALKED TO NUMEROUS CHIEFS ABOUT THE SYSTEM. ONE OF THEM WORKS IN THE TECH DEPARTMENT. THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OR HAVE TESTED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THERE IS. AND HE SAID OF ANY SYSTEMS WE HAVE, THIS WOULD BE THE ONE THEY RECOMMEND. THAT WAS PRETTY POWERFUL. I HAVE HAD SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER CHIEFS IN THE SYSTEM. WE ARE USING THE BEST TECHNOLOGY TO BETTER CONNECT WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND FIGHT THESE REAL-TIME NOTIFICATIONS. WE WRITE TEXT AND EMAIL VERY PROFESSIONALLY. WE HAVE CASE STATUS UPDATES AND SURVEY SO WE CAN ASSESS OUR SERVICE LEVELS. THEY ALSO ALLOW US TO COLLECT ALL THE ANALYTICS FROM SURVEYS. IN TIME, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WE HAVE A 97% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SERVICE LEVEL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THEN FINALLY, IT ENSURES THAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED MORE EFFICIENTLY TO VICTIMS OF CRIME INTO PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED OUR KEY MEDICATION SYSTEM AND POLICE RESPONSE. OUR DISPATCH CENTER, WE HAVE A CROSS-SECTION COMMITTEE IN THE PROCEEDING. ESPECIALLY DISPATCH, BUT ALSO OUR DETECTIVES , THEY ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE HE RECEIVED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CALLS THAT ARE UNRELATED TO POLICE RESPONSES. PEOPLE CALL THE COMMUNICATION CENTER FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING TO INCLUDE , HEY, I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM A DETECTIVE YET, HAS MY CASE AND SET ASIDE? AND I HAVE TO SEND THEM TO A GENERAL NUMBER TO GET A VOICEMAIL, AND THAT DETECTIVE IS ON VACATION , THEN IT TAKES ANOTHER WEEK, AND THEY ARE FRUSTRATED. WE ARE REALLY THINKING FROM A SERVICE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS SUCH A GOOD FIT TO LINE WITH OUR EMISSION. A CALL. NEW HAMPSHIRE GETS PATCHED UP. >> TAKEN AWAY. >> I LOVE THIS. I WISH WE HAD THIS. I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE [01:25:05] WANT TO HELP OUR CUSTOMERS, THEY DEFINITELY DO THAT, IT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL LIKE, I HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE TELL ME, I CALLED, WHEN IT WAS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SOME OTHER DEPARTMENT , I CALLED, THEY SAID THEY WOULD GET BACK TO ME. NOBODY EVER DID. THIS AUTOMATES THE GETTING BACK TO ME PROCESS. AND I THINK IT WILL DEFINITELY RESULT IN BETTER POLICE COMMUNITY INTERACTION. YEAH. I LIKE IT. GOOD JOB. >> THANK YOU. AS FAR AS THE PORTAL GOES, WE SHOW THE TEXT MESSAGE THAT YOU GET WHEN IT IS INITIATED. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY CLICK THAT LINK LATER ON? DOES THAT DISPLAY THE SAME MESSAGE? DOES IT DISPLAY OVERTIME AT THE STATUS OF THE CALLS? ABSURD DISPATCH TO THE CALL THAT HAS BEEN ENTERED OR WHATEVER? >> THEY MIGHT TAKE SOME RESOURCES THERE. AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, THEY WILL GET A NEW LINK TO GO THROUGH. SO, THE VICTIM, THE PAIR WORK FROM THE CALL TO THE VICTIM MODULE TO THE INVESTIGATION MODULE, EACH OF THOSE FOUR, THEY WILL ALL BE CONNECTED. >> WE ARE GUIDING ALL OF THIS PROCESS FOR HOW ALL THESE THINGS ARE MAPPED OUT? >> COOL, THAT'S GREAT. ON ONE OF THE SCREENSHOTS THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THIS COMPANY, THEY HAVE A LINK FOR DOING ONLINE REPORTING, IT DOES NOT HAVE EVIDENCE OR A SUSPECT. DO WE HAVE A ROLL IN ANYTHING LIKE THAT? >> WE DO HAVE SOME ONLINE REPORTING THAT CAN BE DONE. IT JUST DEPENDS. YES, WE DO HAVE LINKS FOR THAT. TO GET THEM TO OUR WEBSITE. >> IN THE EVENT SOMEBODY CALLS AND IS BEING STUPID, IT'S NOT HERE TODAY. MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT. >> I DID NOT KNOW THAT EXISTED, THAT IS FANTASTIC. >> MY ONE BIG QUESTION, GOING OUT TO THE FIELD BEFORE, YOU CAN SAY THE DEPARTMENT IS VERY RECEPTIVE TO THIS IF IT IS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. MAYBE THIS LEAVES MY SECOND QUESTION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS JUST VERY AUTOMATED. THERE STILL HAS TO BE SOMETHING GOING IN AND SOMETHING GOING OUT, JUST FROM A WORKFLOW TIME POINT, PARTICULARLY FOR OFFICERS IN THE FIELD, IS THIS A RATHER QUICK PROCESS? DO THEY HAVE TO DO A LOT OF EXTRA STEPS? >> THIS IS ALL AUTOMATED. WHEN THE CALL COMES IN, IF THEY JUST WANT TO SHOOT IT OUT TO THE PERSON THAT IS OUT THERE, THAT ACKNOWLEDGMENT WILL GO OUT WITHIN FIVE MINUTES. IT IS ALREADY DOING WORK AND SETTING IT UP. >> THE OFFICER DOES NOTHING? NOTHING AT ALL? THEY DON'T HAVE TO INTERACT WITH THE SYSTEM AT ALL? >> WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, PRIOR TO THE TRADITIONAL LAUNCHES, WE ARE TRAINING ALL OF OUR OFFICERS SO THEY KNOW HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION. ALSO SO THEY ARE AWARE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE SURVEYED ON A LOT OF CALLS. AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO THIS BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, JUST LIKE THE BODY WORN CAMERAS. BEFORE BODY WORN CAMERAS EXISTED, IT WAS A CULTURE SHIFT. WE ARE AFRAID OF IT AT FIRST AND NOW EVERYONE IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA. WE DO NOT EXPECT THAT TO BE A PROBLEM AT ALL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE TRAINED BEFORE THEY ARE LAUNCHED. IT IS THE FIRST TIME THEY ARE ON THE CALL WITH SOMEONE IN THE DISPATCH PROCESS AND THEY ASK THEM THE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. >> THE ONLY THING THAT DISPATCH HAS TO DO IS TO -- THIS IS A TRAINING PORTION. WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE MANUAL MUTING OF THE CALLS. OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING ELSE. >> COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING BACK FROM US? IS THAT JUST INFORMATIONAL? >> JUST AN UPDATE AS WE FINISH OUT THE TESTING PROCESS AND DO THAT. WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT. >> DO ANYTHING FOR THE TIMELINE? [01:30:01] >> WE ARE LOOKING AT EARLY MARCH, MID MARCH. >> FULLY IN PLACE, FULL ROLLOUT? >> YES. THAT IS THE ONLY THING ON OUR END, IT IS AUTOMATED FOR THE SYSTEM. WE HAVE OUR STAFF ON IT, THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT A [4D. Project to revise Rowlett Zoning and Development Code Update. ] CERTAIN CALL. SETTING IT OUT THIS ONE. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, BOTH. >> THANK YOU. TO BE WITH THAT, COUNSEL, WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 4D FROM A PROJECT TO REVISE ROWLETT ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. THAT WAS A LENGTHY ONE. DEPUTY MANAGER CHRISTOPH BAUER. >> CONTINUING THAT THEME OF TAG TEAMING THESE PROJECTS. COUNSEL, YOU MAY RECALL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE CITY TOOK AN EFFORT TO REROUTE ROWLETT. AND IT KIND OF HIT A PAUSE, SHORTLY AFTER I ARRIVED, WE HAD ONE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. AT THE TIME, THE FEEDBACK SEEMED, YOU DID NOT SEEM VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED. IT DID NOT SEEM AS THOUGH IT HIT THE MARK. WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE STAND WITH THIS PROJECT. PART OF IT, AGAIN, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WHAT WE WANT TO DO, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE WILL READ YOU THROUGH THE TECHNICAL STUFF WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON. WE NEED SOME POLICY DIRECTION. REALLY CUP, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT ZONING. AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER METHOD THAT IS EQUALLY USED WHERE YOU HAVE A DENSITY BASE SYSTEM. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE AND REALLY GET A SENSE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO GOING FORWARD. YOU MIGHT RECALL, THERE WERE A LENGTHY NUMBER OF GOALS WITH THE PROJECT AT THAT TIME. AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN I AM HEARD FEEDBACK FROM THIS, THESE GOALS, PROVIDING THE BEST EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF THESE CODES INTO A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT CODE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS STILL RELEVANT FOR THE FEEDBACK I'VE HEARD. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY OF YOU EXPRESS OR ARTICULATE THAT YOU REALLY LOVE AND WANT TO KEEP ELEMENTS OF THE FORM-BASED CODE. THAT IS WHAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. LISTENING TO THAT, IT DID NOT SEEM LIKE WE'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. MAYBE NOT FOR THIS COUNSEL. AND SO, WE HAVE X THROUGH THAT, THE GOAL IS TO ELIMINATE THE FORM-BASED CODES AND REGULATIONS. AND PERSONALLY CREATE A FUNCTIONAL COMMUNITY WHICH CAN EASILY BE ENHANCED IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT? FORM-BASED CODE IS VERY DIFFERENT IN THAT RESPECT BUT ALSO TO ESTABLISH A BASIC ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THAT DOES NOT CREATE OBSTACLES FOR COMPETITIVE AND COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT. MAKE SOMETHING THAT IS SOMEWHAT USER-FRIENDLY. SO WE HOPE THAT THESE GOALS ALIGN WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO SOMEONE INFORMALLY, BUT LISTENING TO FROM YOU AND FROM THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS WHERE WE ARE HEADED, LET US KNOW. SO, WE HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, A DRAFT, IT REALLY IS A DRAFT. WE TOOK A STAB GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE LIMITING OF FORM-BASED CODE AND STAYING WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE LAW-BASED ZONING METHODOLOGY. THE FORM-BASED CODE AS IT EXISTED A DOES HAVE THE 29 DISTRICTS OVERALL. WHAT WE ARE GIVING YOU IS A PROPOSAL TO BRING IT DOWN TO 15 ZONING DISTRICTS. WHAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY? ALL FORM-BASED DISTRICTS, RESIDENTIAL, TOWNHOME, MULTI FAMILY. FIVE COMMERCIAL ZONES REDUCED DOWN TO TWO. PLAN TO DEVELOPMENT OVERLAYS REMAIN BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS A BIT MORE STRINGENT IN THAT RESPECT. NOW, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS RIGHT NOW. AND WE WILL TELL YOU WHY. PART OF IT IS BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR ANSWERS WILL BE TO THIS IMPORTANT POLICY QUESTION. WHICH IS METHOD A OR METHOD B. WE GAVE YOU SOMETHING BECAUSE HE WANTED TO TRY AND TAKE A STAB AT AS WE GOT THIS THING MOVING AGAIN. SO, WHAT WE WILL ASK YOU, FIRSTLY, IS, DO YOU WANT TO RECONSTITUTE THE COMMITTEE, YOU CAN SEE HOW HE WAS IMPOSED. CHRISTOPH WILL LEAD MEETINGS IF THIS IS WHAT YOU SAY YOU WANT TO DO. WE WANT A VERY AGGRESSIVE STANDPOINT ON THIS. WE ARE WILLING TO ENGAGE THEM PRETTY MUCH EVERY OTHER WEEK. IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THE CURRENT PATH, WE SUSPECT FORM AND THE SIX MEETINGS. WE'LL ALSO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH [01:35:02] YOU AND THE AND I WILL GO WITH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THIS PATH, WE CAN RETURN TO YOU AS QUICKLY AS THE NEXT MEETING TO HAVE YOU RECOMMEND APPOINTMENTS TO THOSE VACANCIES. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VACANCIES OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OTHERS THAT NO LONGER OCCUPY THE SPACES ON THIS BOARD. >> FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOMINATED PREVIOUSLY , IS THERE AN EMAIL BACK FROM A COUPLE OF THEM SAYING, OKAY. A LOT OF BOUNCE BACKS AND THOSE EMAILS ARE NO LONGER GOOD. THERE IS STILL SOME WORK TO DO. >> I HAVE HEARD FROM A COUPLE WHO PROBABLY RESPONDD TO YOU I'D ASKED ME, WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS COMMITTEE? I NEVER GOT ANY NOTICE THAT IT WAS GOING AWAY. IT JUST KIND OF DISAPPEARED. AND AS YOU MIGHT GUESS, -- >> HERE WE GO. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT METHODOLOGIES. WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE CAN TAKE, CHRISTOPH WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THEM. >> BASED ON OUR CURRENT ZONING, IT'S REALLY ABOUT LOT SIZE. IT IS 48,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. ANOTHER ONE IS BASED OFF DENSITY. HOW MANY UNITS PER ACRE. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME PROS AND CONS HERE. THERE IS NOT ANY PRO THAT CAN BE HIGHLIGHTED OR ANY CON THAT TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES. AND IT CAN HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACTS ON THE COMMUNITY. AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT OVER THE PROCESS AND SAY, ARE YOU CONSIDERING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SO, CURRENT ZONING, PROSE, THIS IS FAMILIAR. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN USING FOR A LONG TIME. PEOPLE ARE USED TO SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY. IT GIVES YOU CONSISTENTLY IF YOU HAVE 45,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, YOU HAVE 45,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. PART OF THE CHALLENGE YOU SEE, IS THAT IT HAS INFLEXIBILITY. BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS A DEFINED RECTANGLE AND SOMETIMES IT IS HARD FOR THAT DEFINED RECTANGLE TO FIT AND BOTH WAYS THAT WE LOOK AT THIS MAP, 32%, THAT IS INCLUDING ALL STREETS. THAT IS AN UNUSUALLY HIGH NUMBER. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF VARIANCES AND OTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO TRY AND MAKE THIS CURRENT SYSTEM FIT WHAT THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY HAS APPROVED. >> WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE AGAIN? TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. >> ACRES OF THE CITY AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY. >> PLACES WHERE YOU BAKE CHILI SAID THAT THAT YOU WANT TO DEFINE THAT. DO NOT USE THAT TERM. WE WANT TO DEFY THE SPECIFIC ZONING THAT WILL APPLY TO THIS AREA. THE CHALLENGE OF COURSE, FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, STAFF HAS TO MAINTAIN THE RECORDS REGARDING THAT SPECIFIC AREA AND GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC AREA RATHER THAN HAVING A GENERAL DEFINITION OF ZONING CONSISTENTLY. >> LET ME ADD A LITTLE BAY HERE. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS. TRYING TO ARTICULATE ALL OF YOU, WHAT DOES THIS REALLY MEAN? THIS MEANS THAT YOU HAVE ZONING REGULATIONS. THIS VERSION AND THE ITERATION BEFORE THAT ARE INCOMPATIBLE AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOUND ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE YOU, THE GOVERNING BODY HAVE APPROVED THESE. THE ZONING REGULATIONS ARE NOT MATCHING WHAT YOU WANT. OR WHAT YOU FIND ACCEPTABLE. >> THAT IS KIND OF OUR JOB TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT DOES JUST THAT. WE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER AT THIS POINT WHETHER WE SHOULD CONSIDER OPTION B. THAT IS THE DENSITY-BASED SYSTEM. SAYING WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT THE DENSITY HERE OR WHAT HAVE YOU. IT CAN PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY. YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME SMALLER LOTS AND SOME BIGGER LOTS, SOME OPEN SPACE. A NUMBER OF THESE MIGHT PROVIDE A DENSITY INCENTIVE. YOU CAN HALF PER UNIT PER ACRE IF YOU GIVE US ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE OR PROVIDE A WALKING TRAIL. IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS WHAT YOU WANT. THE PD COMES TO YOU AND [01:40:07] THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT REALLY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK UNTIL THEY PUT IN FRONT OF YOU. AND THEN , YOU BASICALLY HAVE UP OR DOWN. IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT DATA LAW. IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIST SOME THINGS THAT SAY, IF YOU LISTEN THIS, YOU WILL COME BEFORE US. THE CONS ARE THAT EVERYTHING HAS A DOUBLE EDGE SWORD. WITH THAT FLEXIBILITY, YOU MIGHT SEE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT QUITE NEXT TO IT. MAYBE SOME MIXTURE OF TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WITH OPEN SPACE. TO GIVE YOU A COMBINATION. YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE INCENTIVES AND OTHER PIECES, THE DETAILS IN BOLD FOR THE SITUATIONS MATTER. IT GIVES YOU THE DENSITY, THE FLEXIBILITY, IT CAN PROVIDE DENSITY INCENTIVES. IT CAN ALSO PROVIDE SOME TRANSITIONAL USE. THIS CAN INCREASE THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT. IT CAN INCREASE THE SET. IT CAN REDUCE THE BUILDING HEIGHT. YOU CAN DO THINGS LIKE THAT TO INSURE OR MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF HAVING USES THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. HERE IS THE GOAL, REGARDLESS OF WHICH METHODOLOGY, WILL TRY AND GET THE INTERESTS THAT YOU FIND ATTRACTIVE AND TRY AND MITIGATE THOSE THAT YOU DO NOT. LONG-TERM, WE WANT TO ENSURE THE FISCAL HEALTH OF THE CITY. AND GET GOOD QUALITY. AND COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT KIND OF THINGS YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO SAY YES TO AND WHAT YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO SAY NO TO. PLAN B IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX, IT IS DIFFERENT, IT WILL TAKE LONGER. WE HAD 4-6 MEETINGS ON THE PREVIOUS ONE, DOUBLE THAT, WORST-CASE SCENARIO. IT DEPENDS ON HOW AGGRESSIVE THE COMMITTEE IS AND HOW FAST WE CAN MOVE TO THE SAMPLES. ASSUMING THAT WE RECOMMEND AND WE CHECK OUT THESE ONES WITH YOU. >> LET ME ADD, YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN US ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN PAST A WHICH IS REALLY TRADITIONALLY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. WE HAVE PRINTED THAT IN THE DRAFT FORM THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET. OR THE NEW CONCEPT TO US OF DENSITY BASED ZONING REGULATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAD CASE STUDIES AND ALL KIND OF THINGS THAT WE WORKED UP THAT WE WANT TO BRING YOU. THE REALITY IS THAT IT WOULD BE TOO MUCH TOO SOON. THE FIRST THING WE NEEDED TO KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE CONCEPT? ARE YOU OPEN TO A? WE'LL BRING YOU BACK IN CONVERSATION TO YOU, TO RECONSTITUTE, WE CAN TAKE THEM TWO PATHS. WE DON'T RECOMMEND DOING THAT TOO LONG, WE COULD. WE KNOW WE DID NOT GIVE YOU A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DETAILED SITUATIONS, WE ARE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU WHAT WE THOUGHT OF THE CONCEPT THAT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. >> I APPRECIATE THAT, I REALLY DO. I WOULD BE SLAMMED IF WE GO TO PLAN B BUT I LIKE THAT IT IS FLEXIBLE. I LIKE TO SEE THE SHRINK AND ZONES. >> WOULD BE 15 UNDER A. BOTH COULD SHRINK. >> WHEREVER WE GO, I WANT TO SHRINK THAT. LESS IS MORE. SO IF I AM BOILING THIS DOWN TO THE ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS, PLAN A OR PLAN B BEING MORE FLEXIBLE. AND UNIQUE. IN POTENTIAL. >> THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT IN SOME WAYS. WITHOUT WANTING TO SOUND OVERLY SLANTED, WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION A LOT WORDS DENSITY BASE, THEY BOTH HAVE PROS AND CONS. YOU CAN CREATE THE TRANSITIONAL ZONES AND YOU CAN ALSO HAVE ADJACENCIES. RIGHT? GETTING A MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES WITHIN DEVELOPMENT. IT IS HARD TO DO [01:45:05] UNDER A BUT LESS DIFFICULT TO DO UNDER B. >> I KIND OF LEAN TOWARDS B IN THE INITIAL PERIOD >> UNDER B, WE WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, RIGHT? NEXT TO LARGER LOTS? >> THERE ARE TWO DECISIONS TO MAKE. HOW YOUR ZONING SYSTEM WORKS, THE OTHER IS THE ZONING YOU APPLY TO A SPECIFIC AREA. YOU HAVE THE DECISION TO SAY, WE ARE GOING TO ZONE THIS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND IT CAN BE FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. >> THAT WOULD NOT BE INDIVIDUAL? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> MAYBE 10 ACRES THAT IS TWO YEARS GREATER, THEY GET 20%. IF THEY MAKE 20 TOWNHOUSES, YOU WILL HAVE A LOT WITH THIS. THOSE ARE CERTAINLY RESTRICTORS YOU CAN PUT ON AS WELL. YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE FULL FLEXIBILITY. >> THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SEE, HOW FLEXIBLE IT IS, AND HOW MUCH CONTROL I REALLY HAVE. PLAN A, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES, IT SAYS CONTROL. I WOULD LIKE IT TO HAVE THE CONTROL WHEN FINDING SU P, WE WILL STILL HAVE THE SUB REMOVAL. >> UP TO YOU. >> LET ME OFFER THIS ALSO. >> THIS PROCESS GOING BACK YEARS AGO , THIS REALLY SHOULD BE GUIDED BY THE CONFIDENCE OF THE PLAN. I CANNOT ANSWER WHY AT THE TIME WE DID NOT DO A LEGITIMATE PLAN UPDATE, THAT WILL GUIDE EVERYTHING WE HAVE BEEN DOING WHEN WE COULD HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU AND HAVE SAID, FOLLOW THESE LEADS. THIS EFFORT IS UNDERWAY, GO FORWARD WITH IT. WHILE WE RECOGNIZE, TO SOME DEGREE, EVEN IF YOU WERE ASKING, WE KNOW IT, WE NEED TO MAKE THE BEST OF THIS ENDEAVOR AND GIVE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION. >> NOBODY THAT IS ON THE COUNCIL RIGHT NOW WAS AT THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME? >> YOU ARE CLEAR, WE ARE GIVING YOU SOME VARIANCES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO. >> THIS IS A TOOLBOX THAT YOU APPLY TO THE COMMUNITY. THE APPLICATION IS JUST AS FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT AS A TOOL AS I YOU CHOOSE DRUG USE. >> MY QUESTION GETTING DOWN TO THE NITTY-GRITTY, WILL WE STILL HAVE AS MUCH CONTROL? >> LET ME HELP, I THINK IT IS GOING TO DEPEND. IT IS NOT THE METHODOLOGY, NECESSARILY. THIS GIVES YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY. WHAT IT IS, YOU WILL HAVE MORE CONTROL ON THE FRONT END. THAT IS HOW IT IS ALWAYS BACK TO THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. CHRISTOPH WAS SAYING THIS EARLIER, IF YOU PUT HIGH-DENSITY HERE, THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. YOU DETERMINE WHERE YOU GET HIGH DENSITY AND TO WHAT DEGREE OF DENSITY YOU WANT. WHAT IT ALLOWS US IS TO RECOMMEND AND AGAIN, MAKE THIS POINT VERY ACUTELY, THIS IS WHY WE HAVE SO MANY, TOPOGRAPHICAL LIMITATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THE DEVELOPMENT IS DIFFICULT AT SOMETIMES, THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE OFFSETS AND OTHER THINGS THAT MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T UNDER THE TRADITIONAL METHOD. AGAIN, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTE CONTROL AND WILL HAVE IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY. >> YOU CAN AND SEND THINGS THAT YOU WANT, DISINCENTIVE THINGS YOU DON'T WANT. HEY, YOU HAVE THIS ON TRANSITIONAL STANDARDS TO MITIGATE IMPACTS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> YOU CONTROL THE DENSITY. LET ME OFFER THIS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONTROL. FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, FIVE, 10, IF THAT IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU, THAT IS WHAT YOU GET TO DECIDE. >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LONG-TERM IMPACT, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, COUNSEL IS SITTING AT THE TABLE SAYING THAT THEY DID A GREAT JOB. WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM? >> WHAT IS THE BASIS UPON YOU ARE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION? >> WHAT DO YOU SEE AS EXCESS? WHAT IS THAT CHALLENGING QUESTION? >> WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT TAX [01:50:04] BASE? >> WE MIGHT SHOW YOU BUT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO HEAR. >> I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. >> THERE IS A WHOLE ANALYSIS THAT WE SPRUNG UP. SHOULD WE SHOW THEM NOW? WE CAN SHOW YOU NOW IF YOU WANT, IT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL. THEY BOTH HAVE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES. IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE WAY TO ENHANCE THE TAX BASE WOULD BE X, THERE IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE PAST DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS WOULD PROBABLY BE BECAUSE IT WILL CREATE A HIGHER TAXING VALUE FOR YOU. >> WILL BE BETTER PRODUCT BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY. IT IS PROBABLY WORTH MORE. >> I THINK THE STRENGTH IS IN THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WHAT YOU WANT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING, LOOKING AT OUR SYSTEM, THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP A PD AND THAT CAUSE $100,000 AND NINE MONTHS AND THEN THEY WALK AWAY. I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK, YOU KNOW. YOU'VE SEEN THE PERSON COME BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN ON THE PARCEL TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK AND FAILING. IF YOU ARE MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE, THAT IS A STATEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR THEM TO INVEST AND IT IS MORE LIKELY YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU WANT. THAT IS THE POTENTIAL UNDER PLAN B, YOU GET MORE FLEXIBILITY AND NOT AS MANY VARIANCES. >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS IF I CAN, FOR YOU OR ANYONE LISTENING, WE USE THIS TERM, DENSITY BASED SYSTEM, THAT IS THE UNIT OF MEASUREMENT AND THE BASIS ON WHICH YOU ARE ADDRESSING THE ZONING. I WANT YOU TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU WANT 10 UNITS PER ACRE, THAT IS WHAT YOU GET TO DETERMINE. IF YOU WANT TWO UNITS PER ACRE, YOU GET TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WOULD YOU ALSO GET THE FLEX ABILITY THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN COME IN I KNOW THAT BASED ON WHERE THE PARCEL IS, DESIGNED TO THAT WHERE THEY ARE MEETING THAT THRESHOLD. I HAVE TWO UNITS, FIVE UNITS, WHATEVER YOUR DESIGNATION IS, THERE IS MORE FLEXIBILITY, THEY MET THE ACCEPTABLE THRESHOLD BASED UPON THE LIMITATIONS AND RIGHT NOW THAT IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO. THAT IS THE ADVANTAGE. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT PUSHING YOU TO IT, THIS IS THE ADVANTAGE. >> THEY KIND OF WENT AROUND IT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE. ONE IS IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS AT THIS, FEWER VARIANCES? >> I KNOW AS A COUNCILMEMBER, WE GET BOGGED DOWN WITH VARIANCES AND WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND COME BACK. IT IS TEDIOUS. AS COUNCILMEMBER REEVES SAID, OUR REPUTATION IS NOT GREAT AND I THINK PART OF IT IS THE WAY THAT WE MAKE PEOPLE DO BUSINESS. WHEN I REMEMBER WHERE THE GUY CAME IN, WANTING TO KNOW, DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE OKAY? AND NOW HE HAS BEEN PUSHED ASIDE. THAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITH THE OTHER THING, THIS IDEA IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GO IN, WE WILL HAVE FEWER VARIANCES TO GET THROUGH THE PROJECT WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY POSITIVE THING. THAT IS NUMBER ONE. AGAIN, THE WHOLE THING ABOUT OUR REPUTATION, THAT IS MORE THAN A SMALL POINT. IF WE CAN BE A BUSINESS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. WE WANT IT. WE JUST HAVE TO GET THERE. NO ONE HAS BROUGHT US AN OPTION THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY CITY. I'M NOT SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO KNOW ALL OF THE DOWNFALLS ARE FOR IT, ANECDOTALLY, PEOPLE TELL ME THIS IS A HARD PLACE TO DO BUSINESS, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A HARD PLACE TO DO BUSINESS, I WANT THIS TO BE A GREAT RACE TO DO BUSINESS, IF THIS ENHANCES THAT AND LOWERS VARIANCES, AND ALL FOR IT. >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADDRESS, THE LOWERING OF VARIANCES. WE WILL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEHOW WE GET IT RIGHT AND UNDER PLAN A, WE GET THE ZONING DESIGNATIONS IN THE [01:55:03] RIGHT PLACES WHERE YOU WANT THEM, THAT WILL REDUCE IT. THERE IS A GREATER DEAL OF FLEXIBILITY IN B AND A BIT MORE UP FRONT KNOWLEDGE FOR THE DEVELOPER THAT WOULD SERVE IT BY A SLIGHT BIT TO REDUCE THE VARIANCES. >> THAT MIGHT BE PUTTING TOO MUCH INTO IT. FOR ME, AND THE VARIANCES GO TO LETTING PEOPLE COME IN AND DO BUSINESS AND BUILD THINGS AND THEY ARE NOT A YEAR AND A HALF INTO IT AND THEN THEY GET THE INFORMATION THEY DID NOT SEE IT. WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO PUT AN END TO THAT. I THINK THAT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FROM THE MACRO VIEW OF THE CITY. >> AS A DEVELOPER YOU ARE LOOKING FOR CAPITAL. YOU KNOW, YOU WILL HAVE A HIGHER SUCCESS RATE. >> YOU WANT TO BE WELCOMING. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE HAD THAT. I DON'T THINK IT IS NECESSARY THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT THEM THERE, THAT IS A PROCESS THAT WE DEAL WITH IN THAT SITUATION. >> ON PLAN B, DO WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY REDO THE ZONING MAP? >> THE MATH IS DIFFERENT. CERTAINLY, WHICHEVER ONE YOU DO, YOU HAVE TO REZONE. WE ARE CHANGING THE ZONING REGULATIONS EITHER WAY. I HAVE A SLIDE THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT PROCESS IS NOT POSSIBLE. GOES TO A, OR B, EITHER WAY, WE WILL NOTIFY EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY HOW THIS IMPACTS THEM. >> SHOULD WE DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW FIRST? >> IN THE PERFECT WORLD, WE WOULD'VE DONE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE 3-4 YEARS AGO. NOW WE ARE FACED WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT COMPLICATIONS. WE DON'T HAVE PROCESSES BUT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH A PERIOD THE VARIANCE TO STAFF, THESE REGULATIONS ARE BARE. YOU SEE THREE PEOPLE WITH LAW DEGREES GOING, YEAH. THEY ARE DIFFICULT. MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THEY ARE INCONSISTENT. ALL OF THAT TO SAY, YEAH, WE SHOULD IN A PERFECT WORLD. NOW WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD IN ONE OF THESE METHODS WILL BE A. >> WE WILL EVENTUALLY COME BACK. >> WE HAVE TO. >> OTHERWISE WE ARE CITIZENS AND THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. >> THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION. IT WAS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> AM GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED THE VEGAN STATION BECAUSE THAT IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP AND YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PDS AND IT IS WHERE THERE ARE WATERSHEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT CAUSES THOSE. THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF THAT. I THINK WITH OPTION B THE PRO IS FLEXIBILITY AND THE CON IS FLEXIBILITY. I THINK THAT IS REALLY AN INTERESTING COMPONENT OF IT. PDS FOR ME ARE VERY FRUSTRATING. THERE IS ALWAYS THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN THE RULE THAT WE ARE ASKED TO CONSIDER. WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO US WITH A PD, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO. WE ARE GIVING, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ASKED FOR. HERE IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AND UNLESS THERE IS MAJOR OBJECTIONS, WE KIND OF END UP SAYING YES A LOT OF THE TIME AND THAT IS FRUSTRATING, THAT IS NOT HOW THAT SHOULD BE. THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT THESE ARE THE STANDARDS WE NEED TO COME UP TO NOT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO OFFER AND WE HAVE TO DRAG THEM UP TO WHATEVER STANDARDS WE ARE EXPECTING FROM THIS SITE. THIS IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE APPROACH. I LOVE BEING ABLE TO SET THE HIGHER STANDARDS. THE ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE, TWEEN THESE TWO OPTIONS, DO EITHER OF THEM HAVE ANY POTENTIAL TO BE, MAYBE THIS IS A PERSONAL GOAL, AND THE IMPACT FROM LEGISLATIVE ACTION FROM THE STATE WHERE THE STATE MIGHT SAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT COMPLETELY OUTLYING DENSITY BASED ZONING OR LARGE REZONING. IS IT BOTH METHODOLOGIES THAT ARE CLEAR AND ABLE TO BE USED. >> YOU SAID AS MUCH CHANCE OF ZONING THEMSELVES. MAYBE THAT IS WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR >> I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE A QUESTION OF THE METHODOLOGY. MAYBE THAT IS THE REDEVELOPMENT STANDARDS I YOU ARE RECOMMENDING. ESPECIALLY WITH THESE BUILDINGS. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR >> I DON'T THINK THIS WILL [02:00:01] IMPACT THE DECISION. >> DID YOU WANT TO SEE KRISTOF'S TEXTS? >> I AM SOLD ON PLAN B. >> EVERYBODY GOOD? MAYBE I'M KIND OF WATCHING TO SEE IF YOU NOT. >> IT'S NOT LIKE I AM THE DECIDING FACTOR. >> YOU ARE NOT. >> I AM NOT OPPOSED TO TO PLAN B. I JUST FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. THAT IS HOW I CAN SAY EITHER WAY, ONE OR THE OTHER. EVERYONE ELSE THINKS THAT WE SHOULD GO WITH PLAN B. LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PLAN B. >> PLAN B BUT WITH CONTROLS. >> ONCE WE GET THERE. I'M GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH. >> WE DO KNOW WANT TO JUST COMPLETELY -- >> I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE CONTROL. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE BEGINNING SO THAT THE DEVELOPER KNOWS. >> IT IS THE WORD FLEXIBILITY THAT SCARED ME. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT IS LESS FLEXIBILITY HERE BECAUSE YOU ARE SETTING THOSE STANDARDS AND THEY ARE NOT SO FLEXIBLE. LIKE YOU SAID, THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. >> FLEXIBILITY IN DEVELOPING THE LAND. >> THAT IS MY PRIMARY HOPE THAT WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND BY THE DEVELOPERS. WE HAVE DEVELOPERS I HAVE A LOT OF MONEY. >> I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO GET RID OF THE FORM-BASED CODE. >> DO WE HAVE THE ANSWERS WE NEED? >> I THINK WE DO. >> WE WILL TAKE LONGER, WE WILL TAKE LONGER. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [5. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR FEBRUARY 18, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.] >> ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL THAT WRAPS UP ITEM DRINK BASIC NESTS WE HAVE ITEM 5, DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR FEBRUARY 18, TWEEN 25 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ANY AGENDA ITEMS WE WANT TO PULL? I AM ALLOWING FOR THE PAUSE. >> WE HAVE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS TO REACH * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.