May 20, 2025 City Council Meetings

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[4A. Presentation of Proclamation for recognizing the month of May 2025, as Jewish American Heritage Month.]

[4B. Presentation of Proclamation for recognizing the week of May 18-24, 2025, as National Public Works Week.]

[4C. Presentation of Proclamation for recognizing the month of May 2025, as Small Business Appreciation Month.]

[4D. Presentation of Winners of the Arts and Humanities Commission's Annual Young Artist Contest.]

[4E. Update from the City Council and Management: Financial Position, Major Projects, Operational Issues, Upcoming Dates of Interest and Items of Community Interest.]

[5. CITIZENS' INPUT]

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

[7A. Consider action to approve a Tree Removal Permit by Mickey Garner, LJA Engineering, P.E, on behalf of property owner Stephen L. Sallman for approval of a Tree Removal Permit application on property zoned Planned Development (PD) District with Form-Based New Neighborhood (FB-NN) Uses. The approximately 41.871-acre site is situated within the Williams Blevins Survey, Abstract No. 8, and the M. L. Price Survey, Abstract No. 257, east of Vinson Road and Cottonwood Creek Trail in the City of Rowlett and Garland, Dallas County, Texas.]

[7B. Conduct a public hearing on adoption of an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending Chapter 77-300 to add Unmanned Aircraft System Hub and Unmanned Aircraft System Kiosk as new uses to the Table of Allowed Uses and to establish use-specific standards.]

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THIS MAP IS NOT EXACTLY REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR LOCATIONS BUT WE HAVE 10 APPROVED PERMITS ALREADY TO OPERATE AND WE HAVE SEVEN SITES UNDER CONSTRUCTION SO THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT GIVES YOU AN IDEA WHAT OPERATIONS LOOK LIKE AND I'LL SHARE MORE ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN A MINUTE HERE IN THE PRESENTATION. SO WHY DRONE DELIVERY? A STATISTIC IS THAT THIS YEAR ALONE THERE WILL BE 5 BILLION INSTANT DELIVERIES FROM ON-DEMAND APPS IN THE U.S.

ALONE AND IS 5 BILLION DELIVERIES RELY ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD, SELECT ROADS, THAT'S TRAGIC, THAT'S CONGESTION, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE INVENTED THAT FORM TO. WE DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE PRIVATE TAXIS FOR ROTISSERIE CHICKEN SO WE INVENTED PLATFORM 2 IN ORDER TO REDUCE TRAFFIC, MAKE ROADS SAFER AND REALLY SAVE TIME FOR THE RESIDENCE. WE ARE ALSO EXCITED FOR THE IMPROVED ACCESS AND SOME OF THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES. I RECENTLY HEARD ONE OF OUR DELIVERIES THAT WAS MADE FROM OUR SITE IN MESQUITE, AN ORDER WAS PLACED AT ABOUT 8:00 A.M.

FOR A HOT WHEELS CAR. IT ARRIVED IN UNDER 30 MINUTES AND THE PARENT WAS VERY EXCITED. SO WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT USE CASES. ALSO HEARING FROM ELDERLY FOLKS WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A CAR AND THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED TO ALSO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE ITEMS IN UNDER 30 MINUTES DOOR TO DOOR.

SO WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? HERE IS A VIDEO KIND OF SHOWING THE PROCESS FROM BEGINNING TO END. AN ORDER WILL BE PLACED. THIS IS OUR SITE IN P RIDGE AND A PACKAGE WILL BE LOADED BY A FULFILLMENT OPERATOR. THEY WILL LIVE THE PACKAGE INTO THE ZIP.

THE SHIP WILL THEN GO UP ON A WINCH COME INTO THE AIRCRAFT, AND THE AIRCRAFT WILL TAKE OFF IN WHAT WE CALL A C SHAPED PATTERN, SO IT DOESN'T FLY OVER THE PARKING LOT. IT GO STRAIGHT UP TO 300 FEET ALTITUDE. IT STAYS ABOVE 300 FEET AT ALL TIMES WHEN MAKING THAT DELIVERY SO IT WILL RELEASE THE ZIP ON A WINCH, SO IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE MAGIC BUT IT IS ATTACHED TO A WINCH AND THEN WE CAN DELIVER WITH DINNER PLATE ACCURACY. SO THE CUSTOMER CAN CHOOSE WHETHER IT'S THE FRONT YARD, BACKYARD.

WE WERE ABLE TO DELIVER AT THE LOCATION OF THEIR CHOOSING AND THEN THE ZIP WILL GO BACK UP TO THE AIRCRAFT AND THE AIRCRAFT WILL SEEK AT 300 FEET AND FLY BACK TO THE DOCK AREA. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE'S A KIND OF SUMMARY OF OUR ZIP PLATFORM, AS WE LIKE TO CALL IT. THE SYSTEM IS REALLY HYPER PRECISE AND THAT'S DESIGNED FOR HOME DELIVERY. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER TO A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, FRONT YARDS AND LOCATIONS. WE CAN CARRY UP TO EIGHT POUNDS AND I'LL DIVE INTO WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEANS IN A SECOND HERE. OUR SERVICE. USES UP TO 10 MILES BUT WE'LL LIKELY BE STARTING WITH A SMALLER RADIUS IN ROWLETT AS WE START OUR DELIVERIES. WE TYPICALLY START SOMEWHERE AROUND A MILE AND A HALF TO NO MILES AND EXPAND AS WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE FAA FOR ALL OF OUR AUTHORIZATIONS, AND WE ALSO BUILD UP OUR CUSTOMER BASE IS.

SO WHAT FITS INSIDE THE ZIP? WE LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU CAN FIT DINNER FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY. SO WE ARE NOT REPLACING PEOPLES WEEKLY GROCERY RUNS, WITH TOP UP ITEMS, YOU CAN FIT 12 SANDWICHES, 24 DONUTS OR EIGHT POUNDS OF BEEF BRISKET THAT'S ENOUGH FOR A GOOD BARBECUE. SO BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT COME UP AND QUESTIONS RELATED TO OUR TECHNOLOGY. THOSE ARE AROUND SOUND, SAFETY, AND PRIVACY. STARTING WITH SOUND, WE HAVE SPENT ALMOST A DECADE ENGINEERING A SYSTEM THAT WE WANTED TO BE QUIET AND COULD BLEND INTO THE BACKGROUND OF EVERYDAY LIVES. WE UNDERSTAND HOW CRITICAL IT IS THAT WE DESIGNED A SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE WANTED IN THEIR OWN BACKYARDS, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. RECENTLY WE WERE DOING A DELIVERY FOR A CUSTOMER FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THEY WERE ALREADY WITH THEIR PHONE, TAKING OUT, AND AS WE WERE CHATTING, COMPLETELY MISSED THE DELIVERY SO WE HAD TO ORDER ANOTHER DELIVERY. THAT'S KIND OF HOW QUIET THE SYSTEM IS. SO NOT ONLY HAVE WE WORKED ON THE SOUND INTENSITY OF THE PROPELLERS, BUT ALSO THE SOUND PROFILE, SO IT SOUNDS SOMETHING MORE LIKE A FAN AND IT REALLY BLENDS INTO THE BACKGROUND. WE ALSO RANDOMIZE OUR FLIGHT PATTERNS SO WE ARE NOT REPEATEDLY KIND OF EXPOSING THE SAME NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SAME SOUND PATTERNS. SO THE NUMBERS KIND OF READ FOR THEMSELVES BUT WHERE WE ARE DELIVERING OR DOCKING, OUR SOUND IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 53 TO 64 DECIBELS, WHICH IS COMPARABLE TO CAR TRAFFIC AT 300 FEET. TO DATE WE'VE SAFELY FLOWN OVER 100 MILLION MILES, AND THAT IS THANKS TO HOW WE DESIGNED THE SYSTEM. WE HAVE CRITICAL SYSTEM REDUNDANCIES, SO IF ONE OF THE PROPELLERS WERE TO FAIL FOR SOME REASON, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE TO BACK IT UP.

SIMILARLY, WE TESTING REALLY RIGOROUS ENVIRONMENTS. WE HAVE RANGES ACROSS THE U.S. WHERE WE ARE TESTING REALLY COOL CONDITIONS, REALLY HUMID CONDITIONS, REALLY WINDY CONDITIONS. REGARDLESS, THOUGH, WE DO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S FULLY AUTONOMOUS. WE HAVE AN EXPERT TEAM THAT TRACKS AND

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IT'S STANDALONE, REQUIRES NO INSTRUCTION, AND IS DESIGNED TO BE TAMPERPROOF, VANDALISM PROOF, AND CAN REALLY BE PLACED IN SUCH A WAY THAT PACKAGES CAN BE PUT IN IT , AND THEN THE KIOSK WILL CLOSE ITSELF AND THE ZIP CAN COME AND COLLECT IT FOR DELIVERY. AND I WILL EXPLAIN THE METHOD IN A SECOND HERE. ONE OTHER THING I LIKED ABOUT THE KIOSK IS IF WE WERE TO PLACE IT IN A PARKING STALL WE WOULD PLACE A BOLLARD IN FRONT OF IT FOR CAR PROTECTION PURPOSES. ON THE RIGHT IS A YOU A S HOBE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A PHOTO FROM OUR SITE IN MESQUITE AND THE PICTURE THERE IS NINE DOUBLETALK CHARGING STRUCTURES AND TWO SINGLE DOCS KIND OF AT THE END. WHAT WE BE LOOKING TO DO IN ROWLETT IS SOMETHING SIMILAR, IS KIND OF HAVE AS DESCRIBED, THAT YOU A S HOBE SO WE CAN HONE WHERE THE AIRCRAFT SIT AND WHERE THEY RECHARGE AND WHEN A CUSTOMER PLACES AN ORDER REQUEST THE AIRCRAFT WOULD FLY UP FROM THE HUB, UP TO 300 FEET. STAYS AT THAT 300 FEET, FLIES OVER TO ONE OF WHERE OUR KIOSKS ARE LOCATED, RELEASES THE ZIP ON THE WINCH TO PICK UP THE PACKAGE, THEN TAKES THE ZIP BACKUP INTO ITS BELLY AND FLIES OFF TO MEET THE DELIVERY POINT IS A REALLY THE VISION OF THIS IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SERVE NOT ONLY LARGE BUSINESSES BUT ALSO SMALL BUSINESSES, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE VISION BEHIND THIS UAS KIOSK. ONE ITEM I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT NEVILLE NEEDED A MODIFICATION FOR AND WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS FURTHER IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON THE COVER WAS RESPECTFULLY ASKED IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR THE UAS KIOSKS TO BE EXEMPT FROM THAT REQUIREMENT OF NOT BEING PASSED THE FRONT OF THE STORE. I TRIED TO ILLUSTRATE HERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE KIOSK AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN. DEFAULT SOMETIMES, IF IT WAS FRONT OF STORE VERSUS BACKUP STORE AND I THINK THE INTENT BEHIND THAT WAS MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T BLOCK THE MAIN ENTRANCE OR RIGHT-OF-WAY.

AND I BELIEVE ITEM 7 IN THE TAX AMENDMENT ALREADY ADDRESSES THAT AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY WANTING TO COMPLY WITH. THAT WAS ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE. AND THEN LAST SLIDE FOR TONIGHT BUT NOT LEAST IS TO HIGHLIGHT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. I MENTIONED OUTREACH WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR OPERATORS ARE TRAINED WITH THE LOCAL FOLKS THERE. WE ALSO LIKE TO DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF WHAT'S COMING, THAT PEOPLE ARE EXCITED. SO YOU MIGHT BE TRYING TO READ WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN. IT SAYS THANK YOU FOR COMING IN, I LIKE HOW YOU'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD BUT ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE WORLD.

WE TAKE S.T.E.M. ENGAGEMENT RELEASERS, WE DO A LOT OF OUTREACH FOR SCHOOLS BUT THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS EXCITED AND THAT THEY FEEL THAT THEIR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL. QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? WHERE IS OUR COMMENTS FOR AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR ENDING HERE. ALL NEW STUFF SO WE GET A LITTLE SHAKY. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE MAX SIZE OF THE PAYLOAD?

>> IT'S UP TO EIGHT POUNDS POINT

>> UP TO EIGHT POUNDS, OKAY. AND WHEN YOU HAD THE GRAPH GOING EARLIER, SO ARE MOST OF YOUR DEPLOYMENTS RIGHT NOW IN CONTINENTAL AFRICA OR NOT IN THE U.S., OR DO YOU HAVE FULL U.S.

SYSTEMS ALREADY SET UP? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I SAW THAT.

>> YEAH WE DO SO I'LL GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE IS MOST HELPFUL.

SO WE HAVE OPERATIONS IN THE U.S. I'LL GO BACK TO THIS FIRST SLIDE TO THIS WAS A MAP BUT COLORS GOT A LITTLE BLURRED OUT.'S ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU CAN SEE OPERATING SINCE 2021 AND THEN IN DFW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SITES UNDER DEVELOPMENT , FIVE SITES UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND TWO SITES WILL BE LOST ALREADY, AND ARE ACTUALLY SERVING REAL CUSTOMERS, AND THAT'S IN

MESQUITE AND WAXAHACHIE. >> I'M SORRY, YOU WENT A LITTLE FAST. HOW MANY ON CONSTRUCTION AND HOW MANY OPEN?

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>> WE HAVE SEVEN SITES UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WE HAVE TWO

THAT ARE OPERATIONAL. >> OKAY, AND THESE ARE AS PART OF THIS 10-PLUS APPROVED PERMITS?

>> CORRECT. >> AND IS THIS AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY OR IS THIS IMPORTED OR CHINESE TECHNOLOGY?

>> WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF BEING DESIGNED, BUILT, MANUFACTURED IN THE U.S. SO ACTUALLY IN SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, THAT'S WHERE WE ASSEMBLE ALL OF OUR AIRCRAFT AND THAT'S WHERE WE DO ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS, SO EVERYTHING IS U.S.-BASED.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL, OTHER QUESTIONS?

COUNCILMEMBER REAVES. >> DO YOU WANT TO OPEN THE

PUBLIC HEARING FIRST? >> I'D SAY CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS. IT MIGHT ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COME UP

DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. WE ARE IN THE CONVENIENCE ECONOMY AND THIS IS THE NEXT ITERATION SO I THINK THIS IS -- AS A KID I WATCHED THE JETSONS AND I FEEL LIKE I'M ACTUALLY STARTING TO LIVE IT, WHICH IS CRAZY. WESTON'S ON JUST WHAT PNZ WANTED TO CHANGE.

THEY WANTED TO CHANGE FROM 150 FEET TO 200 FEET. IS THAT GOING TO CREATE ANY ISSUES FOR OPERATIONS AT ALL?

>> THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. WE DISCUSSED IT A LOT WITH TMZ.

ALTHOUGH WE FEEL WE CAN DEFINITELY OPERATE AT 150 FEET SAFELY AND COMFORTABLY, ACTUALLY THE SITE IN MESQUITE IS 158 FEET I BELIEVE FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL AND WE'VE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO COMPLAINTS. WE BELIEVE 150 FEET IS FINE. ALSO 200 FEET IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH.

>> JUST A COMMENT ON THAT FOR COUNCIL. I JUST DID A LITTLE RESEARCH, AND AT THE LEVEL THEY'RE AT, THE SOUND OF THE HUM OF A REFRIGERATOR, AT 150 FEET . TO GO DOWN BY SIX DECIBELS YOU'D HAVE TO DOUBLE TO 300 FEET. SO THAT 50 FEET EXTRA PNZ REQUESTED IS NEGLIGIBLE IN TERMS OF SOUND. SO I WOULD PREFER JUST TO GIVE THE 150 FEET , WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THAT'S JUST A COMMENT. I'LL LET YOU ALL DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ON THAT. ANOTHER QUESTION, THE OTHER AMENDMENT THAT THEY MADE ON PNZ WAS AGAIN MOVING -- IT HAD TO BE ON THE SIDE OR REAR. FOR THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE A KIOSK, I WOULD ASSUME TO LET THEM CHOOSE WHERE THEY WANT IT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR TRAFFIC IS FLOWING TO AND FROM, AND WHAT THEIR OPERATION IS LIKE. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON OPERATIONS FOR THAT, AS WELL?

>> COUNCILMEMBER REAVES, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ALLUDE TO A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT SO WELL. REALLY WHAT WE ARE HOPING IS THAT IDEALLY THE CUSTOMERS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE SERVING, OR THE BUSINESSES THAT WERE GOING TO BE SERVING, THEY DON'T WANT OUR U.S. KIOSK TO BE BLOCKING THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS SO WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR THEM. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR. IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE UAS HUBS AND I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AND WE ARE ASKING IF POSSIBLE THE UAS KIOSK COULD BE EXEMPT FROM THAT

REQUIREMENT. >> THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS REALLY JUST A CONCERN OF PRIVACY. IS THERE ANY DATA COLLECTION OR DATA RETENTION? I KNOW THERE'S CAMERAS AND ALL THAT STUFF. THEY GOT TO HAVE THAT TO FLY AND FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S GOING, AND MAPPING AND ALL THAT. BUT JUST FROM ANY TYPE OF DATA COLLECTION THAT WOULD BE SOLD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING, PLANS TO DO THAT, OR ANY OF THAT TYPE OF

TECHNOLOGY CURRENTLY? >> GOOD QUESTION AND I THINK HISTORICALLY DRONES HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. OUR AIRCRAFT AND SHIPS ARE REALLY DESIGNED FOR DELIVERY SO REALLY THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF DATA THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO SAFELY FLY AND SAFELY DELIVER, AND ALL THAT DATA IS ENCRYPTED AND WE STORE

IT ON SECURE SERVERS. >> GREAT, THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP. >> BACK AGAIN . JUST TWO OTHER QUESTIONS. ONE, SO THE KIOSK, LET'S START WITH THE KIOSK. ARE YOU LEASING THE SPACE? LET'S SAY IT'S A WALMART, JUST ILLUSTRATION. WALMART WANTS TO HAVE THIS ADDED IN TO THEIR SERVICES. ARE YOU RENTING OR LEASING GROUND SPACE FROM WALMART OR ARE THEY PAYING YOU? HOW ARE YOU INTEGRATED WITH THE BUSINESSES SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU'RE DELIVERING FROM? AND THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WE GO UP TO THE HUBS, WHICH ARE -- YOU'VE SHOWN SOME PICTURES. THEY'RE STRUCTURES. I MEAN THEY'RE NOT LITTLE, TINY PHOTO BOOTHS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO BE WALKED OVER. SO AGAIN, ARE YOU BUYING -- ARE YOU BUYING THAT PROPERTY TO PUT THOSE ON OR IS THIS SOME OTHER SORT OF SECONDARY DEAL THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND PROPERTY WITH MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT HAS PROPERTY, OR INTERESTED IN JUST DOING SOME SORT OF LEASE? GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT THESE LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THEM PUT IN?

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IN GENERAL WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE UAS HUBS WOULD BE MORE LIKELY ON LEASED LAND. IT'S LIKELY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT. AND THEN UAS KIOSKS, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON LIKELY IF WE ARE SERVING A PARTNER, THEN IT WILL JUST BE STRUCTURED DEPENDING ON THE DEAL WITH THAT PARTNER. SO YEAH, IT KIND OF JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WILL BE FOR THE PARTNER BUT THE UAS HUBS, SEEING AS WE'RE GOING TO BE SERVING MULTIPLE PARTNERS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ZIP LINE WILL OPERATE AND WE ARE LOOKING AT LEASING THAT, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY CONNECTIONS -- KIDDING, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE MODEL IS MORE LOOKING AT LEASING FOR THE UAS HUBS AND THEN THE KIOSKS ARE REALLY SIMILAR TO KIND OF MAILBOXES OR DONATION BOXES, WHERE THEY'RE SERVING THAT PARTNER, SO WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THAT SORT OF MIDDLE.

>> COUNCIL, OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I HAVE A FEW. OKAY. WITH REGARD TO THE KIOSKS, SO THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN DRAFTED, BOTH VERSIONS OF IT WOULD ALLOW THE KIOSKS BY RIGHT . IN OTHER WORDS, NO SUB FOR THE KIOSKS THEMSELVES. SO I THINK WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OR CURIOUS ABOUT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A PROLIFERATION OF THOSE. SO WHEN I HEARD YOUR PRESENTATION, THERE WAS TALK OF, WITHIN A SPECIFIC SHOPPING CENTER OR SHOPPING AREA, PUTTING IN ONE KIOSK THAT SERVES MULTIPLE PARTNERS, RIGHT? SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE LOCAL, YOU MIGHT THINK OF OVERBUY THE CHICK-FIL-A ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, IT MIGHT SERVE CHICK-FIL-A, AND ARBY'S, AND TRIPOLI, AND THE OTHER STUFF, BLAZE PIZZA, THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE KIND OF IN THAT AREA, AND THOSE BUSINESSES WOULD TRANSPORT THEIR GOODS TO THAT SINGLE KIOSK, WHERE IT WOULD BE COLLECTED AND TAKEN AWAY. IS THAT THE IDEA BEHIND A KIOSK OR DOES CHICK-FIL-A GET A KIOSK AND BLAZE PIZZA GETS A KIOSK, AND ARBY'S GETS A KIOSK

HE'LL TALK TO US ABOUT THAT. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I THINK IT REALLY IS GOING TO DEPEND ON SHOPPING CENTER CONFIGURATION AND LAYOUT. I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT A SCENARIO WHERE SOME OF OUR PARTNERS SIMPLY DON'T HAVE SPACE OR DON'T HAVE A GOOD LOCATION FOR THE KIOSK, SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE ONE KIOSK THAT WOULD SERVE MULTIPLE PARTNERS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ONE KIOSK PER PARTNER.

>> WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT FOR THE KIOSKS, AS WELL AS THE HUB?

>> I THINK FOR US THAT WILL POSE MORE CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF OUR BUSINESS PLAN AND LAUNCH. I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WE REALLY HAVE LOOKED THAT FOR THE KIOSK IS THE PRECEDENT FOR LIKE MAILBOXES OR DONATION BOXES OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IS THAT SQ PS ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR THOSE. AND IN A SENSE THE SEP FOR THE UIS HUB GIVES COUNCIL AND PNZ VISIBILITY INTO WHERE OPERATIONS WILL BE OCCURRING AND WHICH AREA WE WOULD BE SERVING.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. I THINK THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THE NOISE COMPONENT, BUT I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS WITH PNZ'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE NOISE RDINANCE AND A HEARING TO THAT, THAT LANGUAGE BEING IN THE ZONING AMENDMENT. IS THERE CONCERN WITH THAT?

>> I THINK IN WORKING THAT LANGUAGE AND WHAT WE DISCUSSED DURING PNZ IS THAT IS LANGUAGE WE WOULD HAVE REGARDLESS. I THINK THAT'S THE CITY CODE AND WE ADHERE TO ANY CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS OUTSIDE OF THIS TAX AMENDMENT, WE WOULD HAVE TO, WHETHER IT'S NOISE OR

>> PERFECT . THANK YOU. ONE THING THAT OCCURS TO ME IS WHEN WE APPROVE A ZONING ORDINANCE WE'RE NOT JUST APPROVING IT FOR ZIPLINE, WE ARE PROVING IT FOR EVERYONE. SO I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE UNORTHODOX BUT TALK TO ME ABOUT THE MARKET AND COMPETITION THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE, AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF A COMPETITOR TRYING TO LOCATE HERE AS WELL AND US ENDING UP WITH POTENTIALLY MULTIPLE HUBS OR MULTIPLE KIOSKS THAT SERVE MULTIPLE VENDORS WITHIN THE CITY.

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THAT IS A HYPOTHETICAL THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD FULLY ANSWER. I CAN SPEAK TO KIND OF OUR PLANS RIGHT NOW, AND OUR PLANS FOR ROWLETT'S WE HAVE -- I HOPE WE WILL BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ONE SPECIFIC SITE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND OUR GOALS FOR ROWLETT IS TO LAUNCH ONE UAS HUB THAT CAN SERVE ONE COMMERCIAL AREA. SO I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE COMPETITORS, BUT THAT'S AT LEAST OUR GOALS FOR ROWLETT, IS THAT IT'S REALLY -- THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO SELECTING A LOCATION THAT WORKS, TO SET UP THE UAS HUB, FIT WITHIN THE TAX AMENDMENT PURPOSE OF FROM OUR END WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT ONE LOCATION, WHICH IS KIND OF A PERFECT MIX OF ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE'VE HAD. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT

RIGHT NOW. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THE AMENDMENT AS WELL, ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HEARD MUCH ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE OTHER PRESENTATION. MAYBE I MISSED IT.

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>> THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ALL THE USES WITHIN THE CITY HAVE A MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS, BY SQUARE FOOTAGE, BY THE NUMBER OF SEATS WITHIN THE CHAPEL, FOR INSTANCE. BUT THERE IS SOME KIND OF MINIMUM PARKING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR OUR CRUDE FOREVER USE WITHIN THE CITY AND WITHIN THE ROWLETT DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING UNDERSTANDING IS A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE EXISTING WHERE THE HUB WILL BE ACCESSORY USE RATHER THAN A PRIMARY USE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING EXISTING PARKING SPACES. SO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTNG IS THAT PART OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, THEY CAN REQUEST THAT THE PARKING MINIMUMS FOR A SITE BE REDUCED BY UP TO 10% TO ACCOMMODATE THAT HUB. OF COURSE IT STILL THE DISCRETION OF CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT HUB AND ACCOMMODATE THE REDUCTION OF PARKING COMPLETELY AT YOUR DISCRETION TO DENY. SO PARKING MAY BE AN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR SOME OF THESE HUBS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE FOR EXISTING SITES REDUCING THE

PARKING. >> THANK YOU, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER REAVES?

>> QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR WINGET, ON SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR KIOSKS, A HUB WHICH DOES REQUIRE AN SUB, HOW MANY KIOSKS AS A HUB SERVE? BECAUSE THAT MAY LIMIT HOW MANY KIOSKS, THEREFORE ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN THERE. SO HOW MANY KIOSKS DOES A HUB SERVE? DID YOU ALREADY MENTIONED

THAT IN THE PRESENTATION? >> IT WILL REALLY DEPEND -- THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT I COULD GIVE RIGHT NOW. BUT I WILL SAY THAT FOR THE UAS HUB THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN ROWLETT, WE'D BE LOOKING AT 10 DOUBLE.TOWERS SO EACH OF THOSE DOUBLETALK TOWERS WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE TWO AIRCRAFT. AND SO IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE BASED ON THE CAPACITY OF WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DELIVER TO AND FROM. SO I DON'T KNOW JUST A SPECIFIC NUMBER. RIGHT NOW OUR PLANS FOR ROWLETT'S WE WOULD HAVE ONE UAS HUB AND PROBABLY A HANDFUL OF YOU A.S. KIOSKS. THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF PARTNERS THAT WE WOULD HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO LAUNCH WITH AND TOO MANY POINTS, TO BE ABLE TO SERVE, WE COULD POSSIBLY SERVE MULTIPLE PARTNERS WITH ONE

KIOSK. >> GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE, A DOZEN KIOSKS BY ONE HUB, WHAT IS THAT?

>> THE MOST POSSIBLY, YEAH. >> THANK YOU.

>> LET ME ASK THE QUESTION I ASKED A SECOND AGO, MAYBE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY. IN THE MARKETS WHERE YOU CURRENTLY OPERATE, DO YOU HAVE A COMPETITOR THAT HAS COME IN AND OPENED UP SHOP, SO TO SPEAK, AS WELL?

>> SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CITIES WHERE WE ARE OPERATING IN PARALLEL TO COMPETITORS. WE CALL THEM COMPETITORS UT ALSO COLLABORATORS BECAUSE WE ARE ALL WORKING IN THE SAME INDUSTRY, SIMILAR TO HOW YOU KNOW THERE'S DOOR DASH AND CAVIAR, AND THEIR SZUBER AND LIFT. WE THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE IN THE MARKET FOR MULTIPLE COMPETITORS. SO WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A COUPLE CITIES RIGHT NOW THAT I'M WORKING WITH WHERE WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR COMPETITORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE, FOR EXAMPLE IN THIS TEXT AMENDMENT, IS OPERATOR NEUTRAL. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DUCEY AND WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY OPERATED WITH OTHER OPERATORS IN THE SAME CITY, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT IN MESQUITE RIGHT NOW OUR AREAS OF OPERATION ARE OVERLAPPING WITH A COMPETITOR AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS US TO THE

CONFLICT AIRCRAFT. >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS. >> I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND, WHAT IS THE CONCERN WITH THE NUMBER OF KIOSKS? WHY IS THAT -- WHY ARE Y'ALL CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MANY KIOSKS ARE AROUND ?

>> SO LET'S KEEP OUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION HERE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. SORRY, THANK YOU. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, IT IS 8:24 P.M. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AT THIS TIME. DO WE HAVE ANY REQUEST FROM THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK? SEE NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT

[7C. Consider action to adopt an ordinance amending the Zoning Ordinance by amending Table 3.1-1 "Table of Allowed Uses" in Chapter 77-300 and Section 77-302 to add Unmanned Aircraft System Hub and Unmanned Aircraft System Kiosk as new uses to the Table of Allowed Uses and to establish use-specific standards.]

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S AESTHETIC. IT IS PARKING. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HOW MANY

KIOSKS IS A CONCERN. >> I THINK FOR ME IT'S A FOCUS ON EFFICIENCY WITHIN A SPECIFIC AREA. I MEAN, THINK OF ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF ROWLETT, WE ARE ABOUT TO HAVE A CHIPOTLE NEXT TO A STARBUCKS, NEXT TO A SMALL SHOPPING CENTER WHERE CHEF CHAN IS, AND UPS STORE AND THOSE BUSINESSES. IF WE COULD LOCATE ONE KIOSK IN THAT AREA VERSUS THREE OR FOUR, TO ME, THAT IS -- NOT ONLY FAR MORE EFFICIENT BUT FAR LESS INTRUSIVE. AND ONE THING I DIDN'T ASK, THAT I SHOULD HAVE, WAS WITH REGARD TO THE FRONT OF THE BUSINESS, IF WE ARE LOCATING IN A SHOPPING CENTER OR SHOPPING AREA, WHAT DESIGNATES THE FRONT OF THE BUSINESS? IF IT'S A SHARED PARKING LOT, I SUPPOSE IT

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THEY DO IT. >> THAT'S FINE. JUST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAD MENTIONED, THAT JUST SEEMED LIKE A BIG CONCERN AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS MISSING. I JUST FEEL LIKE I WOULD ASSUME THAT THESE ARE PRIVATE BUSINES DEALS, SO THESE ZIP LINE AND THE BUSINESSES WILL NEGOTIATE THE BEST DEAL THAT THEY CAN FOR THEMSELVES. AND SO I'M JUST NOT TERRIBLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF KIOSKS THAT ARE AROUND.

>> TOTALLY FAIR. COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP?

>> YEAH, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY WE NEED TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, AND ESPECIALLY NEW TECHNOLOGY FRIENDLY. I THINK THAT, AS A CITY, SERVES US WELL, BUT THERE IS ONE PART OF THIS, AND PART OF IT IS JUST SORT OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OR FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN. I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE IDEA OF BY RIGHT. THIS IS BRAND-NEW AND TO JUST SORT OF, AT LEAST THIS EARLY ON, FOR ME TO JUST SORT OF SAY, OKAY, Y'ALL ARE GOOD AND BY RIGHT YOU CAN GO IN AND DO THESE. I STILL THINK THAT FOR ME, PERSONALLY, RIGHT NOW I WOULD PREFER, EVEN FOR THE KIOSK TO HAVE AS AN SUV, THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE, SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

>> SO THE SUP WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE HUB. THERE WOULD NEVER

BE A KIOSK WITHOUT A HUB. >> I GET THAT, BUT IF I'M READING THIS OR ASKING FR A KIOSK ALLOWED BY RIGHT, IN ALL NONRESIDENTIAL ZONES, THE PRIMARY ACCESSORY USE ONLY IF IT APPLIES WITH STANDARDS OF THE SUBSECTION. SO THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT KIOSKS INPUT IN AND SORT OF TO COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS, MAYBE I'M OVERTHINKING IT AND MAYBE IT'S NOT GOING TO TURN INTO A FREE FOR ALL, WHICH IT PROBABLY IS NOT . BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE START BRINGING IN OTHER COMPETITORS AND NOW WE'VE GOT THREE COMPANIES, AND NOW WE'VE GOT THEM ALL AT THE ABILITY TO PUT IN KIOSKS I RIGHT. NOW WE'VE GOT KIOSKS JUST ABSOLUTELY BEING ERECTED ALL OVER THE CITY. MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD THING. I DON'T KNOW. BUT JUST FOR THE OPENING ORDINANCE, AT LEAST AS WE ARE TRYING SOMETHING NEW, IT IS SOMETHING NEW, AND I'M EMBRACING IT. I'M NOT FIGHTING AGAINST IT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT FEELING OF A LITTLE BIT OF CHECK AND BALANCE, SO WE CAN SORT OF CONTROL WHAT'S GOING ON, FOR SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE DON'T ALL HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF EXPERIENCE ON WHAT THE DAY TO DAY REALITIES OF HAVING THIS, SO THAT'S SORT OF MY TWO CENTS ON IT .

>> COUNCILMEMBER REAVES? >> APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I KIND OF HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE ON THAT. THE SUP FOR THE HUB IS OUR CONTROL, AND THEN THE KIOSK IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY MARKET DEMAND, IS MY OPINION. AND AT THAT POINT, WILL IT PROLIFERATE? IT COULD. BUT IF THIS IS -- IF WE ARE HITTING INTO THE CONVENIENCE ECONOMY 2.0, WHICH THIS IS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BENEFIT RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, I THINK INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SOLVE FOR A PROBLEM WE DON'T KNOW EXISTS YET, PERHAPS WE LET THIS GO DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THAT CONTROL WITH THE SUP ON THE HUB. BUT THIS COMMAND. THE MARKET DEMAND WILL DRIVE WHERE THE KIOSKS ARE GOING AND IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM AT THAT POINT THEN WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE CHANGES AT THAT TIME. SO I THINK THAT WE DON'T WANT TO PROHIBIT THIS. I THINK THAT BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT STATED, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE PROHIBITIVE, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE PROHIBITIVE TOWARDS THAT. SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY TAKE WITH YOU AS WELL POINT

>> COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS. >> I ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR POINT OF VIEW. MY CONCERN WOULD BE ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR WORK AS A COUNCIL . ARE YOU SAYING YOU WOULD WANT TO APPROVE EVERY KIOSK? HOW MANY -- LIKE OKAY, HOW MANY -- HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO TAKE ON EVERY AGENDA? I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT COULD CLOG THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT.

>> COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP. >> I APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S COMMENTS. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A LINE IN THE SAND SAYING WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO IT BUT I AT LEAST WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD AS THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND YOUR POINTS ARE VALID, AND I'M PROBABLY BEING OVERLY CAUTIOUS ON IT. CERTAINLY

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>> COUNCILMEMBER REAVES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. I'M SURE THAT ZIPLINE AND ANYBODY ELSE, AMAZON , IS GOING TO HAVE ALL SORTS OF INSURANCE FOR MISHAPS, LIABILITY, PROPERTY DAMAGE. DO WE NEED TO ADD AN AMENDMENT FOR THE CITY, AND I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL LANGUAGE BUT A HOLD HARMLESS TO THE CITY? IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WE THINK THROUGH THIS? TO ADD TO THE RESOLUTION OR THE ORDINANCE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO. NOT FOR WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT, JUST THE TEXT AMENDMENT. YOU MAY WANT TO, WHEN YOU GRANT A SPECIFIC SUP, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS.

>> ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER REQUEST TO SPEAK. I'LL SHARE A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT HAVEN'T GONE AROUND THE TABLE JUST YET. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THIS IS A TREMENDOUS VALUE FOR US. YOU SAW THE MAP THAT SHE PLACED UP AND IT HAS A 10 MILE DELIVERY RADIUS. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT ALLOWS OUR BUSINESSES TO DELIVER OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS. THAT SALES TAX DOLLARS THAT WE COULD AND IF IT FROM, THAT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES COULD IF IT FROM AS WELL AND I THINK THERE'S TREMENDOUS VALUE THERE.

SECOND THING IS THESE ARE DELIVERIES NOW THAT ARE NOT BEING HANDLED ALONG OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY'RE NOT INGESTING OUR STREETS. THEY'RE NOT CAUSING WHERE ON OUR ROADS, ALBEIT EXTREMELY SMALL, BUT OVER TIME THAT IS WHERE THAT WE ARE INCURRING AS A CITY. I THINK THOSE TWO BENEFITS ARE PRETTY TREMENDOUS. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THAT, IF EITHER GARLAND OR ROCKWELL ARE. BUT IF WE CAN PULL SOME SALES TAX DOLLARS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS INTO OUR BUSINESSES HERE IN ROWLETT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PRETTY FANTASTIC . SO COUNCIL, AT THIS TIME I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BENEFICIAL TO CONSIDER A MOTION, AND I DO SEE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER REAVES. I WOULD ASK THAT WHATEVER MOTION YOU PUT FORTH IS VERY SPECIFIC ON WHICH VERSION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING, EITHER ATTACHMENT ONE OR ATTACHMENT TWO, ATTACHMENT ONE BEING THE ONE REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT AND NUMBER TWO BEING THE ONE THAT PLANNING AND ZONING REQUESTED. AND THEN IF YOU ARE MAKING ANY ADJUSTMENTS, WITH THOSE ADJUSTMENTS WOULD BE SO OUR CITY ATTORNEY CAN KEEP TRACK OF THAT. I KNOW I'VE PLACED A LOT AT YOUR FEET NOW THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUSHED THE MOTION BUTTON BUT I'M GOING TO TURN YOU ON SO YOU CAN GO. COUNCILMEMBER REAVES.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS ATTACHMENT ONE , WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO IT. SINCE THIS IS PROBABLY AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL IMPACT FUTURE -- AGAIN, THE APPLICANT DELAYED MY CONCERNS FOR PRIVACY DATA, BUT FOR FUTURE I WOULD LIKE ANY DELIVERY DRONES TO NOT BE SURVEILLANCE DRONES AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACTUALLY SAY THAT FOR AN ORDINANCE. BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY ISSUES GOING FORWARD FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE AS PART OF THIS DOES INCLUDE SOME PRIVACY LANGUAGE IN

IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ATTACHMENT 1 OPTION, WHICH WAS THE APPLICANT'S, AND TO ADD A COMPONENT WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD ADD A PRIVACY FEATURE. MS. THOMAS, ARE YOU FAIRLY CLEAR ON THAT?

>> LET ME GET A LITTLE CLARIFICATION FROM YOU ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY A SURVEILLANCE DRONE. DOES IT HAVE TO RECORD?

>> IT'S SORT OF HARD FOR ME TO SAY EXACTLY. WE ARE TRACKED EVERY DAY WITH ALL THE APPS WE USE, EVERYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? SO I JUST DON'T WANT SOME OTHER COMPETITOR. I KNOW ZIPLINE IS NOT DOING THIS BUT SAY SOME OTHER COMPETITOR COMES IN, THEY START DELIVERING PRODUCTS AND THEN THEY REALIZE THAT THEY CAN START CAPTURING ALL SORTS OF DATA AND START SELLING DATA, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS BEING SOLD, AND IT'S NOT PRIVATE. AND I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD WITHOUT US F1 KNOWING. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR ME TO SAY THAT. SO SURVEILLANCE DRONE IS THE WRONG THING BUT THAT'S MY INTENT, IS JUST FOR PRIVACY.

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>> IF I COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION --

>> IF I CAN PAUSE FOR JUST ONE MOMENT, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET A SECOND ON THAT MOTION. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE NATURE OF THAT. COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS, ARE YOU SECONDING THIS MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS. IF WE COULD GET THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP AND

ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONCERN IS MAKING SURE THAT THE DRONES ARE MAKING DELIVERIES, SO PERHAPS THAT COULD BE PART OF THE DEFINITION, THAT THESE ARE AIRCRAFT OR AS PART OF THE U.S. DEFINITION THAT THEY ARE FOR DELIVERY PURPOSES. THAT MAY BE A SIMPLER WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

>> SO BETTER LANGUAGE WOULD BE PRIVACY, VIDEO, AND IDENTIFICATION DATA NOT SHARED OR STORED. PRIVACY, VIDEO AND IDENTIFICATION DATA, NOT SHARED OR STORED. THAT HITS THE HEART OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. THANK YOU.

>> MS. THOMAS. >> WILL THAT MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T STORE DELIVERY INFORMATION ?

>> I'M GOING TO MOVE US TO DISCUSSION MODE. WHENEVER YOU HIT YOUR REQUEST TO SPEAK, IT WILL BE LIVE, SO JUST KNOW THAT.

>> I OPENED A CAN OF WORMS, DIDN'T I? THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE ALL NEVER FULLY DEALT WITH SO I KNOW ON APPS IT'S VERY HELPFUL, ORDER AGAIN, BOOM, AND SO THE APP STORES THAT DATA.

SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. I THINK WITHIN THE SERVICE AGREEMENT OF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN SERVICE AGREEMENTS FOR CUSTOMERS THAT USE THEIR APPLICATIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF, THAT'S FINE. THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH CUSTOMERS THAT SIGN THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN NECESSARILY DICTATE THE TERMS OF THAT. I GUESS MAYBE I'M GOING DOWN A ROAD THAT WE CAN'T FULLY GO DOWN AND DEFINE.

SO MAYBE I'M OUT OF TURN HERE BUT AGAIN MY CONCERN IS JUST PRIVACY. THE GENERAL POPULATION PRIVACY OF DATA COLLECTION AND SELLING THAT COLLECTION TO OUTSIDE PARTIES.

>> THEY LIKELY ALSO DO JUST LIKE AMAZON. YOU KNOW AMAZON SENDS ME A PICTURE OF MY FRONT PORCH LIKE AT LEAST ONCE A DAY, WITH A PACKAGE ON IT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF THING. SO IF WE PROHIBIT THEIR DRONE FROM DOING THAT, THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC ALSO. SO MAYBE WE JUST -- I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS A PLACE IN THIS ORDINANCE, BUT MAYBE WHO WE GRANT AN SUP, WE REQUIRE THAT INDIVIDUAL COMPANY THAT'S RECEIVING THE SUP TO ADDRESS THOSE FEATURES WITH CLIENTELE.

>> AND THE NATURE OF A ZONING ORDINANCE, WOULD THAT EVEN ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF A REQUIREMENT IN PLACE? THAT'S

VERY SPECIFIC. >> WE DO IT SOMEHOW WITHIN THE DEFINITION BUT WE REALLY, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO TRIP US UP MORE THAN IT HELPS US. I THINK THE RIGHT PLACE TO ADDRESS IT IS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SUP.

>> THAT MAKE SENSE. >> MAYBE COUNCILMEMBER REAVES, WHEN WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS WITH A PARTICULAR SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST , IT CAN BE FACIAL OR OTHER INDIVIDUALLY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION, THINGS THAT COULD IDENTIFY AN INDIVIDUAL. THAT MIGHT STILL BE A LITTLE BIT TOO DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH BUT IT MIGHT GIVE US A STARTING POINT. I'M SAYING THAT

AS MUCH FOR US IN THE FUTURE. >> WHAT IS THE RESEARCH BEFORE THE SUP COMES ACROSS AND I COULD HAVE THAT A LITTLE MORE DIALED

IN? >> THANK YOU FOR HUMORING ME REGARDLESS. I WILL GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL MOTION. CAN I DO THAT NOW, MINUS THE FRIENDLY HUMAN IN? I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS THE APPLICANT REQUESTED , ATTACHMENT ONE, AND

THAT'S MY MOTION. >> HE HAS RESTATED HIS MOTION, JUST TO CLARIFY, COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE ATTACHMENT ONE, WHICH AGAIN IS THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE. COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE

ON THIS ITEM? >> GIVING THAT A MOMENT TO FERMENT. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM. I SAW THIS PRESENTATION BACK IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY COOL. I THINK IT HAS TREMENDOUS BENEFITS THAT WE PROBABLY HVEN'T EVEN RECOGNIZED YET , BECAUSE IT IS SO NEW AND IT IS SUCH NEW TECHNOLOGY. I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE NATURE OF HOW THE DELIVERY WORKS, THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A DRONE LANDING IN YOUR BACKYARD. YOU KIND OF HAVE THIS LITTLE MINIVAN THING THAT DROPS OUT OF THE MOTHERSHIP, IF YOU WILL, AND LANES IN YOUR BACKYARD, DROPS OFF A PACKAGE AND THEN GET SUCKED BACK UP. I DID ASK

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CALL THE VOTE , PLEASE. >> ALL RIGHT, THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 6-0. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE STAFF FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A TON OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS AND THIS IS UNCHARTED TERRITORY.

WHEN WE GET INTO UNCHARTED TERRITORY THINGS GET A LITTLE ENIGMATIC IF YOU WILL SO I WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR COMMUNITY TEAM

[7D. Conduct a public hearing regarding proposed Standards of Care for Youth Programs offered by the Rowlett Parks and Recreation Department.]

>> THROUGH THIS LAST YEAR, AS YOU MAY RECALL. IT WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT THE CITY ADOPTED STANDARDS OF CARE FOR OUR YOUTH SUMMER CAMP SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW. YAY US BUT I'M BACK HERE YET AGAIN BECAUSE IT DOES REQUIRE IT EVERY YEAR. SO BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THE TEXAS HUMAN RESOURCES CODE EXEMPTS CERTAIN MUNICIPALITIES FROM BEING REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO CERTAIN STATE CHILDCARE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS . TO QUALIFY FOR THAT EXEMPTION, WE HAVE TO ADOPT STANDARDS OF CARE, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WHY THIS ISN'T ON CONSENT. STATE CARE INCLUDE A COUPLE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE STAFFING RATIOS, QUALIFICATIONS.

THE HEALTH OF THE FACILITY, SAFETY, AND THE MECHANISMS FOR MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT. AND THEN PARENTS MUST BE INFORMED, PREFERABLY BEFORE THE START OF CAMP, THAT THIS IS NOT A LICENSED CHILDCARE FACILITY BY THE STATE AND WE CANNOT ADVERTISE IT AS SUCH AND THAT ALLOWS US TO SIDESTEP THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR MOST HEALTHCARE FACILITIES. SO THE STANDARDS OF CARE ARE NOT MATERIALLY CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR. WE DID CLEAN IT UP, WE WERE IN A LITTLE BIT OF RUSH LAST YEAR. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME TYPOS AND FORMATTING ISSUES SO THE PARKS AND REC STAFF TOOK SOME TIME TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH, CLEAN IT UP. YOU HAVE THE STANDARDS OF CARE IN FRONT OF YOU. THEY'RE BROKEN INTO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. IT'S A RELATIVELY LONG DOCUMENT THAT THIS IS PRIMARILY WHAT IT SAYS IN EACH BOX. WE DO HAVE EVERYTHING TO FIND. WE DO HAVE THE ORGANIZATION, WHICH THIS ADHERES TO BOTH OUR ROWLETT RANGERS AND OUR SUMMER CAMPS AS WELL AS ANY OTHER CAMP THAT WE PUT ON THAT EXISTS FOR 5 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. WE DO SPEAK TO THE MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHECK SO EVERY MEMBER OF THE CAMP GOES THROUGH THE SAME OR STAFF MEMBER OF THE CAMP GOES TO THE SAME ON BOARDING AS A REGULAR ROWLETT EMPLOYEE. THAT INCLUDES CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK AND A DRUG SCREEN. WE RUN FOR SEXUAL OFFENSES AND THERE'S A LIST OF CRIMES AND VIOLATIONS IN YOUR STANDARDS OF CARE THAT ARE AN AUTOMATIC NO GO FOR US. WE ALSO TALKED TO OUR FINANCIAL AND FISCAL MANAGEMENT POLICIES. WE TALK ABOUT STAFFING, PRIMARILY FOR OUR RECREATION PROGRAM OR IN THE REC AIDS WE HIRED TO RUN OUR CAMPS, THEIR ROLES, THEIR CALL THRACIANS, THEIR REQUIREMENTS WERE TRAINING. WE TALK ABOUT STAFFING RATIOS, THE STANDARD RATIO BEING 15 TO ONE WITH SOME LEEWAY FOR SOME HIGHER RISK ACTIVITIES LIKE FIELD TRIPS AND SWIMMING ACTIVITIES. WE GO OVER THE PROGRAM OPERATIONS, INCLUDING THE REGISTRATION PROCESS, WHAT TO PUT DOWN FOR EMERGENCY CONTACTS, AUTHORIZATIONS, LIABILITY WAIVERS , TALK ABOUT OUR COMMITMENT TO ADHERE TO THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AND MAKING REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THAT. WE OUTLINE OUR PROCEDURES FOR FIELD TRIPS AND TRANSPORTATION, AND WHAT'S REQUIRED FROM THE PARENTS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A CHILD OFF-SITE, WHAT WE DO IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, FIRST AID, CPR, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARTICIPANT PICKUP AND DROP OFF INCLUDING THE NEED FOR I.D. TO PICK UP A CHILD FOR LATE FEES, WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T COME TO PICK UP THEIR KIDDO AFTER 30 MINUTES, POLICE ARE NOTIFIED, HOW WE GO THROUGH DISCIPLINE WITH CHILDREN, INCLUDING A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS NOT TO DO FOR PUNISHMENT, AS WELL AS THE DIFFERENT STEPS FOR WHAT HAPPENS WHEN RULES ARE VIOLATED AND WE HAVE TO DISCIPLINE SOME OF OUR CAMP GOERS. THAN THE FACILITY STANDARDS, THE INSPECTIONS, THE COMPLIANCE. THERE'S A SECTION ABOUT HAVING THE RIGHT NUMBER OF TOILETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

TALK ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS. OUR DIFFERENT EMERGENCY PROTOCOLS, EVERYTHING RANGING FROM FIRE EVACUATIONS, INCLEMENT WEATHER TO WHAT HAPPENS IF A CHILD GOES MISSING, HOW WE COMMUNIATE, SO ACCESS TO CELL PHONES AND EMERGENCY NUMBERS AND THE EXCESS THAT STAFF WILL HAVE FOR THAT. AND

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HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, REALLY. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> OKAY, LET'S TRY AGAIN. SEEING THE QUESTIONS FROM

[7E. Consider action to adopt an ordinance adopting Standards of Care for Youth Programs offered by the Rowlett Parks and Recreation Department.]

AND MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA ITEM THAT ACCOMPANIES THIS ITEM , ITEM 7 E, CONSIDER ACTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS BY THE ROWLETT PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND I WILL APPROVE A MOTION TO THIS ITEM. MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE ROWLETT PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

>> YOU HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER REAVES, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM ? LET'S

[7F. Consider action to adopt a resolution adopting a Wet Zone Cooler Policy and amending the Master Fee Schedule by implementing Cooler Pass Fees at Wet Zone Waterpark.]

BRITNEY FAR. >> AS PROMISED FROM OUR LAST WORK SESSION,

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>> THE RESTRICTIONS ARE PRETTY STANDARD, NO GLASS, NO ALCOHOL, NO KNIVES, NO RESTAURANT FOOD . SO WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING AS THIS COUNCIL RECOMMENDED? WE BROUGHT BACK SOME REVISED FEES. FIVE DOLLAR DAY PASS FOR ROWLETT RESIDENCE, $25 SEASON PASS FOR NONRESIDENTS, THAT WOULD BE $10 PER DAY OR $50 SEASON PASS OR THE EQUIVALENT OF FIVE VISITS. THE SIZE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE 48 QUART MAXIMUM AND SIMILAR RESTRICTIONS, NO GLASS, NO ALCOHOL, NO REAL FOOD OR RESTAURANT PREPARED FOOD. I DID FIND OUT THAT QUESTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS, IT'S BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T BRING A BURGER KING BAG TO MCDONALD'S.

IS JUST A COMPETITION THING TO NOT RING IN RESTAURANT FOOD.

COOLER MUST CLOSE COMPLETELY AND THEN ONE ENTRY PER DAY. SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW A RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION IMPLEMENTING THE WETS OF COOLER POLICY AND FEE, AMENDING THE MASTER SCHEDULE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS?

>> WHAT IF MY COOLER IS 60 QUARTS? DO I JUST PAY TWO? DO I

JUST DO $10? >> YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BRING IT IN. THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS 48.

>> DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP?

>> I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS AND I REALLY WANT TO THANK STAFF, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE THAT HAVE JUST ABSOLUTELY BEEN JUST KILLING IT OUT THERE, SHOULD KIND OF BE ABLE TO WATCH IT AND IN PARTICULAR THE KITCHEN AREA.

THIS IS NOT JUST A MINOR UPGRADE FOR JUST KIND OF GETTING CHIPS OUT OF BOTH WINDOWS INSTEAD OF ONE WINDOW. THIS IS A MAJOR UP GRADE AND A MAJOR AMENITY UPGRADE TO THE PARK. AND TO MAKE THAT WORK, IT DOES HAVE TO BE SUPPORTED. ONE OF THE REASONS I FEEL THAT THE PARK HAS FALLEN INTO SUCH DISREPAIR, IS NOBODY EVER TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO RUN A PARK. AND I THINK THE ESTIMATES AND THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN USED HAVE BEEN WOEFULLY, WOEFULLY LOW. THIS IS NOT AN ONEROUS AMOUNT OF MONEY. I THINK IT TAKES COMPLETE SENSE AND PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF HOW MUCH MONEY, EFFORT, HOW MUCH UPGRADED THE WHOLE PARK WILL BE WHEN IT OPENS, PARTICULARLY THE FOOD SERVICE.

SO GIVEN THAT THE FOOD SERVICE IS BEING EXPANDED AND BE IN A MUCH BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR VISITORS, I'LL CERTAINLY BE SUPPORTING THIS AND THINKING EVERYBODY INVOLVED FOR WHAT YOU'VE GOT BECAUSE THIS IS YEOMAN'S WORK.

>> BRITNEY, DOES THIS PROVIDE ANY LIMITATION ON BRINGING IN WATER BOTTLES, STANDALONE, REFILLABLE WATER BOTTLES?

>> WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THAT. I WOULD NOT BELIEVE SO, AS IN THE DEFINITION OF A COOLER. WE DO HAVE A WATER FOUNTAIN ON SITE BUT REFILLABLE BOTTLED WATER SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. LIKE IF YOU'RE BRINGING YOUR STANLEY CUP.

>> I MEAN I LOOK AT A 48 QUART COOLER AND IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE. I MEAN IN TERMS OF WHAT A FAMILY MIGHT USE, I THINK THAT'S LIKELY ENOUGH FOR -- I MEAN I WOULD SAY AT LEAST HALF A DAY FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR OR SIX. IT'S PRETTY GOOD-SIZED COOLER WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DRINKS, AND ICE, AND FOOD.

COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OP

>> I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION IMPLEMENTING A WET

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SCHEDULE. >> DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP? SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER REAVES. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? SEEN ON, LET'S CALL THE VOTE , PLEASE. THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 6-0.

>> IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE.

>> BEFORE YOU LEAVE, YOU'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT A YEAR AND A

HALF NOW. >> 10 YEARS IN DOG YEARS, SIR.

>> 10 YEARS IN DOG YEARS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YOU'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB AND WE WILL CERTAINLY MISS YOU AROUND HERE. IT OCCURRED TO ME DURING THE LAST ITEM THAT THIS WOULD BE THE ITEM THAT YOU'RE LAST PRESENTING WITH THE COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORT THAT YOU PUT INTO OUR CITY. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. I'M LIKE A BAD PENNY. I'LL STILL SHOW UP

EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. >> COUNCIL, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I'M GOING TO CALL A VERY BRIEF RECESS. WE'LL RECONVENE AT 9:00 P.M. JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE BEFORE THIS NEXT ITEM.

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>> ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL. LET'S WORK ON RECONVENING, PLEASE .

>> COUNCILMEMBER GIBBS. >> IT IS 9:01 P.M. WE ARE GOING

[7G. Consider action to adopt a resolution directing publication of Notice of Intent to Issue Certificates of Obligation.]

MICHAEL KUHN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL . IN 2024, STAFF SHARED A THREE-YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET PLAN DEVELOPED ON A STRATEGY OF CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FROM LEASES AND SIMILAR DEBT INSTRUMENT SUPPORTED BY THE CITY'S MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION TAX RESOURCES TO PUBLIC THAT INSTRUMENTS REPORTED BY THE CITY'S INTERESTING SINKING TAX RESOURCES. DURING THE 2025 BUDGET PROCESS COUNCIL PRIORITIZED THE PROPOSED CAPITAL INVESTMENTS BE FUNDED IN THE PLANT ACCOMMODATION OF $26 MILLION OF CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND 12 .6 MILLION DOLLARS IN TAXES. THE POTVIN PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT INITIATIVES SUCH AS POLICE AND PUBLIC WORKS COMPENSATION AND CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THE CITY'S EXPENDITURE ON INFRASTRUCTURE. CAPITAL INVESTMENTS OUTLINED IN THE THREE-YEAR PLAN ARE SCHEDULED TO BE FUNDED EACH YEAR ALONGSIDE THE VOTER APPROVED 2023 AND 2024 PROJECTS. LAST SUMMER THE FIRST TRANCHE OF 10.7 MILLION COS AND $6.1 MILLION IN TAX NOTES WERE ISSUED. DUE TO CURRENT BILLS FILED IN THE STATE'S ATTORNEY NINTH LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WOULD MODIFY HOW THE CITY CAN ISSUE DEBT , IN PARTICULAR COS AND TAX NOTES AFTER SEPTEMBER 1, 2025, STAFF IS PROPOSING ISSUING THE REMAINING TWO YEARS OF PLANNED COS AND TAX NOTES TOTALING $25.1 MILLION WITHIN THE CURRENT YOUR. THIS APPROACH WILL ENABLE THE CITY TO FULLY FUND THE PRIORITIZED CAPITAL INVESTMENTS WITHIN THE CURRENT PLAN WHILE ALLOWING TIME TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING STRATEGIES FOR FUTURE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. IF COUNCIL WISHES TO PROCEED WITH ISSUING CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION TO SUPPORT THE ITEM AND CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THEY MUST IMPROVE A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THAT A NOTICE OF INTENT, WHICH IS A NEWSPAPER NOTICE, TO ISSUE THE COS BE PUBLISHED FOR AT LEAST 45 DAYS IN THE PAPER OF RECORD PRIOR TO COUNCIL POTENTIALLY AUTHORIZING AND ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS AUTHORIZATION PUBLISHED AN AMOUNT OF UP TO $15.05 MILLION TO SUPPORT THE REMAINDER OF THE CO FUNDED INVESTMENTS WITHIN THE CURRENT PLAN. TONIGHT RESOLUTION DOES NOT COMMIT THE CITY TO ISSUE THE PROPOSED CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. IT ONLY SETS A MAXIMUM PARR AMOUNT BY WHICH THE COUNCIL MAY CONSIDER AND ALLOWS THE COUNCIL TO ISSUE THAT AMOUNT WHICH WOULD COME BEFORE THEM ON JULY 15TH, 2025. THE FINAL AMOUNT CO S THAT STUFF WILL RECOMMEND FOR SALE WILL DEPEND UPON THE OUTCOME OF THE 29TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON THE JULY 15TH DATE . AS A REMINDER, THIS IS TO PUBLISH A NEWSPAPER NOTICE, IT'S NOT TO AUTHORIZE A DEBT ISSUANCE OF COS. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF -- THANK YOU MIKE AND FINANCE FOR WORKING ON THIS. A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT TO THIS CONVERSATION. I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT'S HAPPENING. AS MIKE SAID, IT ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO LATE 2023 WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS CONVERSATION TO THE COUNCIL. BUT IT ACTUALLY GOES BACK EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT . WHEN YOU HIRED ME IN JUNE OF 2023, IN MY FIRST BUDGET CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU I MENTIONED TO YOU AT THAT TIME -- AND IT'S ON THE RECORD, YOU REMEMBER -- THE CITY OF ROWLETT BUDGET PROJECTIONS SHOW GENERAL FUND BALANCE OF $2.65 MILLION PROJECTED FOR FISCAL YEAR 28, RIGHT ? THAT WAS THE FINANCIAL CLIFF THAT WE WERE STARING AT.

SO WHILE WE WERE GOOD FOR FISCAL YEAR '24, WE HAD A FUTURE IN FRONT OF US THAT YOU COULD ARGUE PROJECTIONS ARE FLUID BUT WE CERTAINLY WERE NOT IN A POSITION LOOKING FORWARD THAT WE WANTED TO BE IN, AND I MENTIONED TO YOU THEN THAT I WOULD BRING FORTH TO YOU A WAY TO RESTRUCTURE HOW WE OPERATED FINANCIALLY. AND SO

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AND SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TODAY TO ISSUE A NOTICE, NOTHING MORE, THIS WILL NOT GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO A NEW ANYTHING ELSE. HOWEVER, IF WE ARE NOT GRANTED THE AUTHORITY TO POST THIS NOTICE AND THAT LEGISLATION PASSES, ALL OF THESE PLANS THAT WE HAVE MADE, RATHER NOT YOU DECIDE TO GO FORTH WITH THEM OR NOT, WE WOULD BE PREEMPTED FROM DOING SO. SO THIS IS NOT A DECISION TODAY TO ISSUE THE DEBT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE PLAN YOU APPROVED BEFORE. IT IS SIMPLY A NOTICE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT IF THAT LEGISLATION PASSED AND YOU STILL DECIDED YOU WANTED TO ISSUE THE DEBT, YOU COULD.

HOWEVER, IF YOU DO NOT AUTHORIZE US TONIGHT, AND THAT LEGISLATION PASSES, WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO ISSUE THAT THAT. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CLEAR FOR ALL ON THE RECORD THAT THAT IS ALL THE AUTHORITY WE ARE SEEKING TONIGHT, SIMPLY THE ABILITY TO ISSUE A NOTICE THAT YOU COULD ARGUE IS PERFUNCTORY, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT DEBT, RIGHTFULLY SO, IS A VERY SERIOUS AND IMPORTANT TOPIC. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CLEAR THAT THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE SEEKING TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU MR. HALL. COUNCIL, QUESTIONS, NOT COMMENTS BUT QUESTIONS FOR EITHER MR. HALL OR MR. KUHN WITH REGARD TO THIS

ITEM? COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON? >> THANKS, MAYOR. AND YES MR. HALL, I DO RECALL ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD BACK IN '23.

SO MY QUESTION IS, AND I THINK I WANT TO REHEAR IT FROM YOU OR RESTATE IT, ALL WE'RE DOING IS ISSUING THE NOTICE OF THE INTENT. IF WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE LEGISLATURE, IF WE NEED TO ISSUE THE DEBT, THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, RIGHT?

>> YES. >> YES SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.

>> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT SEEN ANY QUESTIONS. SO I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE REMARKS AS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, KIND OF

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>> I DON'T HAVE THAT LIST IN FRONT OF ME TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A LIST OF WHAT WAS FUNDED FROM 2024. NOT THE

FUTURE. DO YOU HAVE THAT? GREAT. >> SO IN YOUR PACKET IS A LIST.

I THINK THIS WAS IN THE PACKET, WASN'T IT? THANK YOU. SECOND EXHIBIT. WE'VE GOT A LIST . CONCRETE PANEL REPLACEMENT, ASPHALT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, SIDEWALK CONDUCTIVITY. AND AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERWEIGHT.

SCREEN WALL REPAIR, AS WE HAVE NOT FUNDED. PART OF A FUTURE COUNCIL DISCUSSION COMING THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE. STREET AND ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERWEIGHT. A FIRE TRUCK, FIRE APPARATUS , LIGHT AND AIR TRUCK AND THE SPARTAN LETTER TOW TRUCK WHICH WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD MOST RECENTLY. THANKS FOR REIMAGINING THAT. THOSE WERE THE ITEMS THAT WERE PART OF THAT MOST RECENT FUNDING.

>> SO WHAT FUNDING SOURCES ARE BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND/OR THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS?

>> THOSE WERE CONTEMPLATED SCOS IN THE FUTURE. THOSE WERE NOT

PART OF THE '24 ISSUANCE. >> AND SO, WITH REGARD TO THE VOTER APPROVED BONDS, CAN YOU TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE VOTER APPROVED BOND DOLLARS VERSUS CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION DOLLARS?

>> I CAN, AND AGAIN, I WILL STRESS THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE ARE NOT RAISING TAX RATES AT ALL, SO WHEN THE GEO BONDS ARE APPROVED, THAT'S AN UP TO, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT. WHAT IT DOES, IT CREATES CAPACITY, AND SO, WHAT WE DID IS WE CARVED OUT SOME OF THE CAPACITY AND SAID, OKAY, WE RECOGNIZE WHEN THE ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING WAS DONE FOR THE POLICE STATION OR PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, AS IT WAS CALLED, CERTAINLY AT THAT TIME IT WAS A BIT INFLATED . RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR ANY OF THE PROGRAMMATIC ASSUMPTIONS OR EVEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF ASSUMPTIONS. SO WE WERE ABLE TO CARVE OUT A $20 MILLION ALLOWANCE FROM THAT, WHICH WE PRESENTED TO YOU. NOT RAISING THE DEBT. SIMPLY CARVEOUT IN THE POSSIBLE DEBT ISSUANCE. IS THAT --

>> I THINK THAT HELPS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY COMMENTS REALLY ARE AROUND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD ON THIS ISSUE. I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR THAT WHEN WE OUTLINED THE DEBT PLAN, YOU SAID ALL THE WAY BACK IN JUNE OF 2023 IS WHEN WE HAD THAT FIRST BUDGET PRESENTATION, AND I REMEMBER SITTING IN THAT MEETING, AND WE ULTIMATELY CALLED THE MEETING BECAUSE WE REALIZED THE NATURE OF THE REPORTS THAT WE WERE GETTING, AND THOSE WERE REPORTS THAT WERE PREPARED BY A PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, PREVIOUS CITY ADMINISTRATIONS. SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT DAVID COOK THE BOOKS, SO TO SPEAK, TO PAINT A REALLY POOR PICTURE AND THEN MOVE US INTO A BETTER POSITION WHERE HE SWEEP IN AND WAS ABLE TO SAVE US. THAT'S SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. SO WHAT DAVID DID AS HE WENT BACK AND HE WORKED WITH OUR FINANCE STAFF AND CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION, WHICH WAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DYNAMIC WITH HOW WE ARE FUNDING THINGS, AND THAT DID INVOLVE THE MODIFICATION OF SOME OF OUR DEBT INSTRUMENTS AS A WAY THAT WORKS. SO DAVID ALSO MENTIONED -- SO WE DISCUSSED THAT IN THE JANUARY 25TH 2024 COUNCIL MEETING. THE COUNCIL PACKET FOR THAT MEETING, JUST FOR THAT AGENDA ITEM, WAS EXTENSIVE, AND I THINK WE SPOKE FOR OVER AN HOUR, IF I RECALL. IT WAS PRETTY IN-DEPTH. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DISCUSS IT AGAIN ON FEBRUARY 5TH, 2024, AND THEN AGAIN AT THE FEBRUARY 24TH MEETING ALTHOUGH THERE WERE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE COVERED THERE, AS WELL. AND THAT JANUARY 25TH MEETING WAS A CHANGE IN OUR OVERALL DEBT STRATEGY TO TRANSITION CAPITAL EXPENSE ITEMS , CAPITAL EXPENSE ITEMS AWAY FROM OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS BUDGET. SO OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS BUDGET IS WHAT WE USED TO PAY SALARIES, TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON, SO TO SPEAK. DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS. NOT CAPITAL EXPENSE ITEMS. THAT'S NOT WHERE THAT SHOULD COME FROM BUT FOR A LONG TIME, AND I REMEMBER IN THE YEARS LEADING UP TO MY TIME ON COUNCIL, THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS CONCEPT OF CASH CIP. WE HAD CIP DOLLARS WHICH WE WERE FUNDING OUT OF OUR CASH OR OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS

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>> YES, THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER HALL, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FUND BALANCE, THE RESERVE? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHY $2 MILLION IS

SCRAPING THE BOTTOM. >> YES MA'AM. FIRSTLY, WE WOULDN'T BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR OWN -- FISCAL YEAR 28 WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR OWN FINANCIAL POLICIES, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK OF IT AS A RAINY DAY FUND, A SAVINGS ACCOUNT. SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND THINGS HAPPEN, ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE, TAXES, THINGS HAPPEN. THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD MAKE YOUR PAYMENTS, AND IF YOU HAD $2 MILLION IN PAYMENTS, THINK ABOUT OUR GENERAL FUND MANAGERS ABOUT WHAT, $60 MILLION A YEAR? THERE YOU GO. YOU DON'T EVEN COVER A MONTH. SO IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT POINT. IT'S HOW WE WOULD SURVIVE IN THE EVENT SOMETHING GOES WRONG, AND INEVITABLY SOMETHING ALWAYS GOES WRONG. YOU JUST MAY NOT FEEL IT.

>> AND I KNOW WE SEE THE FUND BALANCES THAT WENDY PRESENTS EVERY QUARTER. WE GET TO SEE THAT MOVEMENT OF THE UP AND DOWN . REVENUE-WISE THE CITY GOES THROUGH A SEASONAL, VERY MUCH LIKE A SEASONAL BUSINESS. WALMART HAS BLACK FRIDAY, RIGHT? TONS OF BUSINESS ON BLACK FRIDAY. REGULAR BUSINESS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE YEAR. EVEN MORE SO WITH THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY TAX IMPACT. WE GET PROPERTY TAXES REALLY OVER THE COURSE OF A THREE OR FOUR MONTH WINDOW, ROUGHLY, AND THAT BOLSTERS OUR FUND BALANCE BUT THE REST OF THE YEAR WE ARE DRAWING DOWN THAT BALANCE AS WE PAY OUR

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WILL, THANK YOU. >> I'M IF WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION DIRECTING PUBLICATION OF NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE

CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. >> A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP AND I SEE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP. SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMEMBER

BRITTON . >> THANKS, MAYOR. I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED. I WAS PART OF THAT LAST YEAR AND I AGREED TO THAT. AND I'M NOT GOING TO FORECAST MY VOTE IN THE FUTURE. I WILL GO ALONG WITH THE INTENT BUT I'M GOING TO BE HARD-PRESSED IF WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THE CITY HALL. I'M GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH TIME.

I'LL HAVE TO JUST WAY THAT WHEN IT COMES BECAUSE I'VE KIND OF GROWN OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO, JUST KIND OF FUNDAMENTALLY BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH, IF YOU WILL, ON COS, AND I KNOW, I GET WHY WE DID THEM. I GET WHY WE HAD TO DO THE 140 FIRE STATION IN SAFIRE BAY. IT WAS CONSIDERED KIND OF AN EMERGENCY. I GET WHY WE HAVE TO DO IT. I'M JUST NOT -- I'M GROWING A LITTLE UNHAPPY WITH HAVING TO DO IT BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THE ISSUANCE OF IT AND WE'LL SEE HOW WE ARE IN THE FUTURE.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WILL MAKE ONE COMMENT . I APPRECIATE THOSE REMARKS. WHEN WE HAD THAT GENERAL MEETING I WENT BACK AND WATCHED IT EARLIER TODAY. AND WHAT I THINK WAS REALLY VALUABLE OUT OF THAT MEETING WAS YOU AND THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATING THE PUBLIC. AND I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHERE WE'VE FALLEN SHORT AS A COUNCIL. WE HAVE NOT DONE A GOOD JOB EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF THESE, AND THE PURPOSE AND INTENT, AND WHY WE ARE GOING FORWARD WITH IT. AND NOT GOING FORWARD WITH ISSUING, TO BE CLEAR, GOING FORWARD WITH THE NOTICING. BUT WHY THAT WAS OUR PLAN TO BEGIN WITH, WHY WE HAD KIND OF OUTLINED THAT AS A DEBT STRATEGY. SO I ASSUME SOME RESPONSE ABILITY FOR THAT. I THINK WE ALL DO, THAT HAVE BEEN HERE. OBVIOUSLY COUNCILMEMBER GIBBS, YOU DON'T BEAR ANY OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT GOING FORWARD, IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS DEBT MANAGEMENT STRATEGY, EDUCATION IS GOING TO BE REALLY KEY.

>> COUNCIL, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE VAPED PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. THAT

[7H. Consider action to approve the appointment of committee member(s) to the Recode Rowlett Committee to review and make recommendations to the City Council regarding revisions to the City's zoning and development code.]

>> WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE RECODE ROWLETT COMMITTEE IT HAD A CERTAIN COMPOSITION . IT HAD TWO COUNCILMEMBERS, OF COURSE TWO DNC MEMBERS, TWO DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS, TWO NONPROFIT POSITIONS AND TWO CITIZENS OR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF APPOINTING THEM YOU ACTUALLY SAW A NUMBER OF APPLICANTS FOR SOME POSITIONS SO YOU ADDED A THIRD.

WE HAVE HAD TWO PEOPLE WHO FELT LIKE THERE'S A CONFLICT, THEY COULDN'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE MEETINGS WORK SO THEY DROPPED OFF. ONE OF THEM WAS THAT NONPROFIT POSITION AND ANOTHER ONE WAS OUR THIRD POSITION FOR A CITIZEN. WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER TONIGHT FOR THE NONPROFIT POSITION AND A NUMBER OF APPLICANTS IF YOU WANT TO PLACE A THIRD CITIZEN BACK ON THE COMMITTEE OR YOU COULD EVEN ADD TWO AT YOUR OPTION. YOU COULD NOMINATE JUST ONE POSITION FROM A NONPROFIT OR IF YOU WANT TO SELECT ONE OF THE APPLICANTS FOR THE CITIZEN POSITION THAT CERTAINLY IS AVAILABLE AT YOUR DISCRETION, TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSING THE CANDIDATES FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE? SEE NONE, IN LOOKING THROUGH THE NAMES , WE OBVIOUSLY ONLY HAVE ONE NONPROFIT CANDIDATE. I KNOW CARTER, HAVE WORKED WITH CARTER ON THE HFC. HE'S A TREMENDOUS ASSET. I THINK WE WOULD BE WISE TO APPOINT HIM. INCREDIBLY BRIGHT AND HE ALSO SERVES ON THE GULF ADVISORY BOARD, SO I THINK HE BRINGS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA KNOWLEDGE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, I'M KIND OF TORN INITIALLY WHEN OUR CITY SECRETARY REACHED OUT, I SAID

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>> YES. I REALLY CERTAINLY AGREE WITH MISSY. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ALYSSA DELACROIX AT. SHE DOES HAVE HER MASTERS IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION. I KNOW SHE'S VERY INTERESTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY, HOW IT IS MOVING FORWARD. SO I WOULD

SUPPORT MISSY AND ALYSSA. >> TO CLARIFY, YOU WANT MISSY FOR THE -- SO MISSY AND ALYSSA HAVE BOTH REQUESTED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ONLY HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD SLOT OPEN, UNLESS WE ARE GOING TO EXPAND THE COMMITTEE EVEN BETTER.

>> I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WE WERE FILLING THREE POINT

>> NO, JUST TWO. ONE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE AND ONE FOR THE NONPROFIT REPRESENTATIVE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALYSSA BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONE. I WILL SAY, HOWEVER, THAT I DID REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND MISSY TIDWELL ALSO APPLIED AS A NONPROFIT LEADER. SHE'S PART OF

THE RDE I SEE. >>

COMMUNITY PROJECT. >> YOU'RE CORRECT. MY MISTAKE.

>> OKAY. CHRISTOPH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHE WAS LISTED IN THE PACKET UNDER THE -- IN THE STAFF REPORT, MORE SPECIFICALLY UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPOINTEE, CORRECT?

>> YES, THAT'S WHERE WE DID LIST THEM.

>> IF YOU GO TO PAGE TWO OF FIVE , WHICH ORGANIZATION ARE YOU A MEMBER OF, SHE SAYS NONPROFIT OR CITIZEN OR NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER.

>> I SEE. VERY GOOD. IN THAT CASE SHE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO BE

FOR EITHER SEAT. >> I WOULD LIKE HER TO BE THE NONPROFIT. I REALLY CERTAINLY APPRECIATE CARTER'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO TWO OF OUR COMMITTEES ALREADY, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE DIFFERENT BE AVAILABLE.

>> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER FEEDBACK ? AND WE WILL HAVE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO SOMEONE IS GOING TO PUT FORTH NAMES. ALL RIGHT.

SEAMEN, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP, IF YOU CAN --

>> APPROVE A RESOLUTION, I BELIEVE. THERE IS NO RESOLUTION. SO THERE WILL BE A MOTION TO APPOINT TWO APPLICANTS TO THEIR RESPECTIVE POSITIONS. THAT WILL SIMPLY BE THE ACTION OF THIS ITEM.

>> LET ME MAKE SURE IT'S NAMED RIGHT. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT CARTER HOLSTON AS THE NONPROFIT MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE AND I WOULD ALSO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ALYSSA WANT AS

THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN MEMBER. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE CARTER AND ALYSSA AS THE TWO APPOINTEES. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMMBER REAVES . WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE CARTER HOLSTON AND ALYSSA WANT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE POSITIONS. ANY DISCUSSIONS? SEE NONE, LET'S CALL THE BOAT PLEASE.

>> THAT ITEM CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY, 6-0. GOOD, THANK YOU. NEXT WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 7 LETTER I. BEFORE I MOVE

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CONSEQUENTLY, I MISSED THE FIRST MAY WORK SESSION, THE REGULAR MEETING THE NEXT DAY AND THE SPECIAL MEETING TO CANVAS THE ELECTION. THE CITY MANAGER NOTIFIED ME THAT HE WAS REQUIRED TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO CONSIDER MY REMOVAL.

APPARENTLY THIS AGENDA ITEM REIGNITED SOME OF THE VITRIOL AMONG SOME CITIZENS WHICH RAN RAMPANT DURING EARLY VOTING.

THIS ELECTION WAS EXTREMELY DIVISIVE FOR OUR CITY. AFTER MUCH THOUGHT I BELIEVE THE HEALING CAN START TO TAKE PLACE SOONER WITHOUT ME ON THE COUNCIL SO I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL NOT TO EXCUSE THE ABSENCES AND TO INVOKE CHARTER PROVISION 3.09 SUBSECTION 2 TO REMOVE ME FROM THE COUNCIL, EFFECTIVE MAY 20TH, 2025. SOME VERY EXCITING THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN MY LIFE THIS PAST WEEK . PLAN B IS FALLING INTO PLACE MUCH MORE QUICKLY THAN ANTICIPATED. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE READY TO BEGIN A NEW CHAPTER IN OUR LIVES AND LET THE CURRENT COUNCIL GET ON WITH ITS BUSINESS. I WISH ALL OF YOU THE BEST AS YOU MAKE THE HARD

[7I. Consider action to excuse Councilmember Debra Shinder's absences from Council meetings on May 5, 2025, May 6, 2025, and May 12, 2025.]

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 7 I, ABSENCES FROM COUNCIL MEETINGS ON MAY 5TH, 2025, MAY 6TH, 2025, AND MAY 12, 2025.

COUNCIL, I THINK YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED FOR THIS ITEM FROM THE PACKET. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER ME, OUR CITY SECRETARY, OR OUR CITY MANAGER, YOU CAN REQUEST TO SPEAK. OTHERWISE I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THERE IS ONE TO BE MADE. COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON.

>> THANKS, MAYOR. I DO HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO EXCUSED ABSENCE. DID DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SHINDER, DID SHE SEEK PERMISSION TO BE ADVISED THAT SHE WASN'T GOING TO BE AT ONE

OF THOSE TWO MEETINGS? >> CITY MANAGER WHOLE?

>> SO I DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXCUSE HER ABSENCE, EVEN IF YOU WERE TO NOTIFY US. I THINK IN SOME INSTANCES MAYBE SHE DID.

THAT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN EXCUSE, WHICH IS WHERE THIS ACTION PRIOR WOULD'VE ALLOWED YOU, THE COUNCIL, TO DETERMINE IF THOSE ABSENCES WERE EXCUSED.

>> I'M GOING TO MOVE US INTO DISCUSSION MODE, SO IF YOU COULD

HIT RTS. >> LET ME REPHRASE THAT. YEAH, I'M AWARE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO SEEK PERMISSION BUT WAS THERE NOTIFICATION? DID SHE MAKE NOTIFICATION?

>> SHE WOULD BE ABSENT HE'LL SOMETIMES TO ME, I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE SOMETIMES TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SO I BELIEVE SO. I COULDN'T SEE ON EVERY INSTANCE, NO. I DON'TKNOW FOR SURE.

>> SHE DID FOR THE WORK SESSION ON MAY 5TH, STATED THAT SHE WAS

ILL. >> OKAY.

>> I'LL CHIME IN HERE. I PUT THIS IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE CODE OF ORDINANCES REQUIRES THAT IN ORDER FOR AN ABSENCE TO BE CONSIDERED EXCUSED, AN OFFICER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOTIFYING THE MAYOR OR THE CHAIRPERSON IN THE EVENT OF AN

ABSENCE PRIOR TO THE EVENING. >> AND TO BE CLEAR, I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NEW COMMUNICATIONS THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE ABSENT.

I FIND OUT FOR THE MEETING ONLY AFTER ASKING OUR CITY MANAGER IF SHE WAS GOING TO ATTEND AND HE TOLD ME THAT -- OR MAYBE IT WAS A MEMBER OF STAFF THAT TOLD ME SHE WAS GOING TO BE UNABLE TO

ATTEND THE. >> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, IF THERE IS ONE TO BE MADE. ALL RIGHT. SEE NO MOTION, WE WILL LEAVE THIS ITEM ON THE

[7J. Discuss and consider action to remove Councilmember Debra Shinder from office and declare vacancy in Place 6 for violation of Section 3.09(2), of the Rowlett City Charter.]

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>> OKAY, THANKS. SO NOW WE ARE IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT REALM HERE. SO THE CHARTER SAYS THE COUNCIL SHALL REMOVE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE PROPER VERBIAGE. SO WE DON'T REALLY -- I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE THIS VOICE IN HOW THEY CAN VOTE. BUT WHAT'S THE PROPER METHOD FOR VOTING ON THIS?

>> WELL DO YOU MEAN LIKE SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> NO, NO, NO. SINCE THE CHARTER SAYS SHALL, IF YOU VOTE AGAINST THAT, ARE WE IN VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER?

>> THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER IF A MAJORITY VOTE DID HE REMOVE THE MEMBER.

>> FAIR ENOUGH. >> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP? >> I'M GOING TO TRY AND SEE IF I GET THIS OUT THERE RIGHT. I MOVE -- LET'S SEE. I MOVE THAT WE REMOVE DEPUTY PRO TEM SHINDER AS AUTHORIZED BY CITY PROVISION SECTION 3.09 2 DUE TO THE FAILURE TO FULFILL THE FUNDAMENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF ATTENDANCE. DOES THAT WORK?

>> YES. >> AND DECLARE A VACANCY IN

PLACE SIX. >> NEXT WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP. SEE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS . WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER SCHUPP TO APPROVE THE ITEM AS PRESENTED AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER BOWERS.

ANY DISCUSSION? AND IF YOU HAVE DISCUSSION, JUST GO AHEAD AND

SHARE. >> OKAY. I'M GOING TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING DEB SHINDER IS A FRIEND OF MINE BUT I DON'T LIKE DOING THIS AT ALL. I DON'T LIKE USING THE CHARTER IN THIS MANNER. I WOULD'VE PREFERRED FOR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SHINDER JUST TO SERVE OUT THE REST OF HER TERM. WE'RE TALKING WHAT, THREE WEEKS AT THE MOST? SO I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD BOOK AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST ABOUT IT. AND I SAY THAT, SHE IS MY FRIEND BUT I WOULD SAY TO HER IF WE WERE TALKING. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD BOOK. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER

COMMENTS? >> I SECONDED IT BECAUSE DEB HAS REQUESTED SO I WILL COMPLY WITH HER REQUEST.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL MAKE ONE LAST REMARK. I HAVE APPRECIATED SERVING WITH DEB ON THE COUNCIL.

IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT TO HAVE SOMEONE TO BOUNCE IDEAS OFF OF, SOMEONE WHO IS INCREDIBLY BRIGHT AND DETAIL ORIENTED. THERE WERE TIMES WHERE WE DIFFERED THERE WERE MANY, MANY TIMES WHERE WE WERE IN ALIGNMENT AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT SHE'S PUT IN OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY EARLIER TODAY TO FIND OUT IF THERE WAS A WAY I COULD ABSTAIN FROM THIS VOTE, BECAUSE I REALLY DID NOT WANT TO MAKE A VOTE HERE, AND SHE INFORMED ME THAT THERE WAS NOT, WHICH IS FRUSTRATING, TO SAY THE LEAST. BUT IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO VOTE ON EVERY AGENDA ITEM WHERE THERE IS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THERE IS NOT WITH THIS ONE. I DO HOPE THAT WE WILL MAKE TIME AT A FUTURE MEETING TO RECOGNIZE DEB FOR HER TIME SERVED ON THE COUNCIL AND THE WORK THAT SHE PUT IN. AND TO HAVE HER BACK WITH US AT LEAST ONE LAST TIME, TO BID HER A FAREWELL AND BEST WISHES FOR THE FUTURE. THIS IS NOT A VOTE I WANT TO CALL BUT I WILL DO IT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S CALL THE VOTE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM CARRIES BY THE VOTE OF 6-0. COUNCIL, WITH THAT, MEMBERS OF THE CITY

[MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL MAY REQUEST TOPICS TO BE PLACED ON AN AGENDA FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING. ANY DELIBERATION OR DECISION SHALL BE LIMITED TO A PROPOSAL TO PLACE TOPIC ON THE AGENDA FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.]

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ITEMS TO REQUEST? >> I DO. I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT DISCUSSES THE PROCESS FOR NOTIFYING THE MAYOR OR WHAT IS THE CORRECT PROCEDURE AND PROCESS SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IF THEY ARE ILL OR WHATEVER THEIR ABSENCE IS, I WOULD LIKE CLARITY ON HOW THAT IS NOTIFIED .

>> CAN I GET A SECOND ON THAT REQUEST? I THINK WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON, RIGHT? WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON. I'M SORRY

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