ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. TODAY IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025 AT 6:30 P.M..
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AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A QUORUM PRESENT AT THE EOC.[2. Call to Order of the Planning & Zoning Commission]
AND WITH THAT, I WILL LET MR. COTE CALL HIS COMMISSION TO ORDER.[3. Citizens’ Input]
COUNCIL DURING CITIZENS INPUT. I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM FROM MR. DAVE HALL. IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE GRAB A FORM.AND DAVE. YEAH, ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANT TO STEP JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, THAT WAY WE CAN BE SURE THE MICS PICK YOU UP. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOT IT. THANKS FOR ALL THAT.
PREVIOUSLY, I BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION THE RETAINING WALL.
YOU APPROVED, PERMITTED AND INSPECTED THE ONE WHICH YOU ALLOWED TO BE BUILT IN THE ACCESS EASEMENT TO MY HOUSE AT 6809 AND 6811 CHARDONNAY, SOMETIMES CONFUSED WITH 6809 AND 6811 MILLER.
PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT ONE THAT SHOULD BE PASSED AROUND TO ME NOW.
THAT'S THE SEALED SURVEY. YOUR RESEARCH HAS BEEN INACCURATE.
IT IS ALSO AN INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT. PLEASE SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA OF EXHIBIT TWO.
THE WARRANTY DEED REGISTERED IN DALLAS COUNTY.
IT CLEARLY STATES INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT.
PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT THREE. THIS CAME FROM THE ACTUAL EASEMENT RECORDED IN DALLAS COUNTY.
IT CLEARLY STATES THERE ARE TWO EASEMENTS. FIRST AND HIGHLIGHTED THAT INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT.
SECOND, THE UTILITY EASEMENT. THIS PIECE OF REAL ESTATE SERVED AS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT FOR KAY ROWAN, HIS DESCENDANTS AND ME FOR OVER 40 YEARS TO 6809 AND 6811.
MILLER. PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT FOUR FROM THE APPROVED MILLER ROAD WIDENING PROJECT, SEALED AND RELEASED BY ROULETTE, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY CONSTRUCTING THE DRIVE ENTRANCE TO THIS INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT.
BY USING THIS INGRESS EGRESS EASEMENT. HOW DO I DO THIS WITH THE RETAINING WALL BUILDING THIS EASEMENT AND LEFT BY THE DEVELOPER? AS STATED EARLIER, YOUR RESEARCH HAS BEEN INACCURATE.
IF YOU ALL WISH ALL OF YOU SHARE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS MESS.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AND THE RESIDENTS AND STAFF.
THANK YOU, MR. HOLT. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? YEP. OOPS. YEP. IF YOU CAN BRING THAT TO TO DEBBIE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER.
IT'S SARAH HERON. HERON, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
DO YOU WANT TO? YEAH. JUST STEP BACK OVER HERE.
THAT WAY THE MIC CAN PICK YOU UP, IF YOU DON'T MIND. THANK YOU. YEAH.
MY NAME IS JERRY HERON. MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 3409 SUMMER SOLSTICE.
AND WE ALSO OWN A PROPERTY AT 3609 DENMAN STREET.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THE COMPLEX WAS BUILT AT MAIN STREET AND OLIVER, I THINK IT'S NOW CALLED THE OASIS, THAT THE COMPLEX WAS BUILT FOR CONDOS FOR PURCHASE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE DECISION BECAUSE THE COMPLEX WAS APPROVED.
NOW THAT THE COMPLEX IS COMPLETE, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PRIVACY IN OUR BACKYARD.
THE APARTMENTS ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR LOOK DIRECTLY INTO OUR BACKYARD, AND WE ALSO NOTE THAT THE COMPLEX IS LEASED AS APARTMENTS RATHER THAN THE. THE COMPLEX IS BEING SOLD AS CONDOS.
IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY FIRST APPROVED A COMPLEX FOR SKYVIEW AT ROULETTE LLC AS CONDOS.
THEN POSSIBLY, IF MY ANALYSIS IS CORRECT, AS SKY 110 AT ROULETTE SPV, LLC PURCHASED THE 28 CONDOS, AND I'M NOW GUESSING THAT SINCE THEY HAVE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEASE THE SPACES AS APARTMENTS RATHER THAN SELLING THEM AS CONDOS. I'M WONDERING, IS THIS CORRECT? IS MY ANALYSIS CORRECT, AND IF SO, IS THIS HAPPENING TO ALL OF THE CONDOS AND APARTMENTS IN ROWLETT? AND AGAIN, IF SO, KANSAS CITY ARE THE PNC AND STIPULATIONS TO THE CONTRACT.
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SO WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS COME IN AND SELL US WITH CONDOS THAT THEY CAN'T TURN AROUND AND SELL THAT PROPERTY AND THEN LEASE IT OUT AS APARTMENTS.SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS ON THAT.
AGAIN IT'S JUST KIND OF DISAPPOINTING THAT WE KEEP HAVING RENTAL PROPERTY COME INTO THE TOWN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MISS SHARON.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR WORK SESSION THIS EVENING.
[4.A. Receive an update regarding Planning & Zoning Commission's statistics of cases heard, hearings held, plats considered, and related information.]
HEARINGS HELD, PLATS CONSIDERED AND RELATED INFORMATION.AND I KNOW MR. HALL HAS A PRESENTATION I THINK, THAT HE WANTS TO SHARE.
OH, BY THE WAY OUR CITY MANAGER, DAVID HALL, IS SICK THIS EVENING.
NOT A PROBLEM. WE'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THESE TOGETHER.
SOME OF THESE ARE A LITTLE SHORT. SOME OF THEM ARE A LITTLE LONGER THAN OTHERS.
SO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS FORAY, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATISTICS OF CASES HEARD, HEARINGS HELD, PLATS CONSIDERED, AND RELATED INFORMATION.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T. BEFORE I BEGIN THE PRESENTATION, ACKNOWLEDGE THE CITY CITY SECRETARY.
SO I HAD A LITTLE CHEAT SHEET TO GET US THROUGH THIS.
SO AS IT RELATES TO THE STATISTICS, WE'VE BROKEN THEM UP INTO TWO SLIDES.
THIS FIRST SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN OCTOBER 2024, WHICH IS THE BEGINNING OF THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH ENDS TODAY THROUGH APRIL 2025. AND THEN AS YOU WILL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE THERE'S A CONTINUATION OF CASES THAT ARE HEARD FROM MAY 2025. AND THEN PNC CONCLUDED ITS FINAL MEETING THIS FISCAL YEAR ON LAST TUESDAY.
SO IN TOTAL THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWED AND HEARD WELL REVIEWED, 54 CASES.
OF THAT NUMBER, APPROXIMATELY 34 OF THOSE REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IF I GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THE TRADITIONAL CASES THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL HEAR WILL BE THE PRELIMINARY PLATS, THE RE PLATS, THE FINAL PLATS, AND THOSE ARE ALL, AS YOU WILL SEE IN A FORTHCOMING SLIDE, THOSE ARE ALL MINISTERIAL ACTIONS, MEANING THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS, THROUGH ITS LEGISLATURE, HAS DECIDED THAT IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET WITH THE PLAT THERE IS NO DISCRETIONARY ACTIVITY FOR THE PLANT.
IT IN ESSENCE HAS TO BE APPROVED WHERE IT IS.
MAJOR WARRANTS. THERE WERE NO FRAMEWORK PLANS THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION.
THEY ALSO REVIEWED SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND REGULATING PLANS.
TREE REMOVAL PERMITS AND TEXT AMENDMENTS. THOSE REMAINING ITEMS, AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
SORRY, I'LL GET TO IT. ARE. RECOMMENDED ITEMS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO AGAIN REZONING SPECIAL USE PERMITS, FORM BASED CODE, MAJOR WARRANTS, TREE REMOVAL PERMITS, ALTERNATIVE LANDSCAPE PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FORM BASED CODE.
AMENDMENTS ARE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL DECISION.
PLANNING AND ZONING ONI IS THE RECOMMENDING BODY, AS IS ILLUSTRATED HERE.
ALL OF THE PLATS, INCLUDING VACATION PLATS AND PLATS, ALTHOUGH PLATS DO REQUIRE A NOTICE, ARE ALL MINISTERIAL ACTIONS BY P AND Z, AND THEN ALTERNATIVE LANDSCAPE PLANS AND SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS WITH NO MORE THAN 25,000FT² OF BUILDING AREA
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AND VARIANCES TO THE ZONING SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.SO IF I GO BACK A LITTLE BIT AGAIN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE JUST THE GENERAL STATISTICS AND THE SUMMARIES OF ALL CASES REVIEWED BY PNC, A TOTAL OF 54. AND OF THAT NUMBER 34 OF THEM WERE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ANY QUESTIONS? SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS WHEN YOU SHOWED ON THE OTHER ONE THE PNC HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS. IS THAT ALSO A STATE MANDATED APPROVAL OR IS THAT THE WAY WE DO IT? SO IT'S SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS WITH MORE THAN 25,000FT², RIGHT? YES. SO ANYTHING THAT IS ABOVE THAT NUMBER WILL THEN HAVE TO BE REFERRED TO CITY COUNCIL.
OKAY. I WASN'T READING IT THAT WAY. OKAY. SO ANYTHING MORE THAN 25,000FT² HAS TO BE GO TO CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? IT'S CONSIDERED A DISCRETIONARY ITEM, BUT LESS THAN.
AND IS THAT AGAIN IS THAT THE WAY THAT WE DO IT OR IS THAT IS THAT BY STATE MANDATE? NO. BY MANDATE THAT IS OUTLINED? MORE THAN LIKELY IN OUR ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. OKAY.
THANK YOU. SO THAT VERY LAST BULLET POINT ON HERE SHOULD SAY LESS THAN.
YEAH. REALLY? YEAH. SORRY. YEAH. SAY MORE THAN.
YES. LESS THAN 25,000FT². CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
COUNCIL OR COMMISSION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS PRESENTATION? STATISTICS. ANY FEEDBACK? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL BEEN BUSY.
I APOLOGIZE FOR MY TARDINESS TO YOU GUYS IN THE COUNCIL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL HAVE BEEN BUSY.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORT.
THESE ARE NOT ALWAYS EASY THINGS TO FIGURE OUT, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR VERY BEGINNING, AND I'LL PROBABLY WRAP IT UP WITH ONE MORE. DO WE HAVE A LIST OF THE 24 SUB ZONING WARRANTS? JUST BY BY PROJECT, BY APPROVAL OR DENIAL? YES.
SO PART OF WHAT WE DO AFTER WE HAVE THE FINAL DECISION FROM CITY COUNCIL AND ACTUALLY PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE WE NORMALLY WILL MAP ALL OF THE CASES. AND SO THE PUBLIC CAN GO ON TO OUR WEBSITE AND LOOK AT WHERE ALL OF THE CASES ARE THAT ARE EITHER UP FOR CONSIDERATION, OR WHERE THERE IS AN ACTION THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY APPROVED.
OR WHERE WOULD I ACTUALLY FIND THAT? YES, THERE'S A MAP.
NOW, I WILL SAY THAT IT'S NOT CATEGORIZED BY APPLICATION TYPE.
IT IS A GENERALIZATION OF ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS WHERE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
SO THEY WILL HAVE YOU WILL HAVE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A PROJECT ADA OKAY.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO FOUR B BEFORE YOU START YOUR PRESENTATION ON FOUR B, I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT YOU ALL'S PERFORMANCE,
[4.B. Discussion regarding Planning & Zoning Commission's performance, objectives, and responsibilities.]
IDENTIFY SOME OBJECTIVES. LOOK AT YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES, THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, MUCH OF WHICH WE'VE ALREADY DONE, KIND OF AS A PART OF FORAY. BUT I WANTED TO REALLY GET A CHANCE TO KIND OF HAVE SOME FACE TIME WITH THE COMMISSION BECAUSE WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THIS OPPORTUNITY RIGHT. AND IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL, IT'S ONLY HAPPENED ONCE BEFORE. AND I THINK THAT WAS IN 2022.SO I REALLY WANTED TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU ALL AND KIND OF, AGAIN, GET IN FRONT OF YOU AND JUST HAVE A DIALOG BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION. SO WE'LL LET MR. HULL DO HIS PRESENTATION.
BUT AFTER THAT, I DO WANT TO KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU ALL AS WELL.
AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I THIS IS PROBABLY MY FIFTH OR SIXTH JURISDICTION WHERE I WORKED, WHERE I'VE HAD TO WORK CLOSELY WITH BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL. AND I'VE ALWAYS SHARED WITH BOTH HEARING BODIES THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS THINK OF PNC AS YOUR FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE, KIND OF TO THE POINT THAT WAS SAID EARLIER. AND SO THEY'RE THE FIRST EYES ON THESE PARTICULAR TYPES OF PROJECTS.
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THEY'RE NOT AFRAID TO ASK STAFF QUESTIONS. THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT AFRAID TO ASK THE APPLICANTS QUESTIONS.AND THEY DO DRILL DOWN ON THAT, ON THE ISSUES THAT ARE GERMANE TO LAND USE.
SO WITH THAT, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE KIND OF CRITICAL TO TO COVER SOME BASIC UNDERSTANDING.
THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE COMMITTEE IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THERE ARE SEVEN MEMBERS WITH TWO ALTERNATES, AND THEY'RE ALL APPOINTED BY COUNCIL.
THEY'RE TEN YEAR STAGGERS, TWO YEARS. SO EVERY OTHER COMMISSIONER WILL HAVE STAGGERED TERMS. THE QUORUM I JUST LEARNED IS ACTUALLY NOT FOUR MEMBERS, BUT IT'S FOUR MEMBERS PLUS ONE.
SO IT'S FIVE MEMBERS. I BELIEVE, MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE MEETING DATES ARE THE SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAY AND WHENEVER SPECIAL MEETINGS ARE REQUIRED, AND THEY MEET AT CITY HALL AT 7 P.M.. SO HERE WE HAVE A LIST OF OUR CURRENT MEMBERS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE TERMS IN WHICH THEY EXPIRE.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS IS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION.
RIGHT. WE CALL IT VICE CHAIR. RIGHT. I THINK LARRY TUCKER IS A COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER TUCKER, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, COMMISSIONER WILSON, AND THEN CHAIR COTY.
WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WEISS, COMMISSIONER POLLARD, COMMISSIONER WHITE, AND COMMISSIONER FASSETT.
YEAH. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO VACANT ALTERNATE. POSITIONS RIGHT NOW.
SO AND WORKING WITH THE CITY SECRETARY WE HAD ALREADY BEGUN TO TALK ABOUT AS WE ENTER INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, PUTTING OUT OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR RECRUITING MEMBERS WHO ARE EITHER GOING TO BE RETIRING AND OR FOR THE VACANT POSITIONS.
AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE KIND OF HELPFUL.
HE WANTS THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE INPUT. HE GIVES THEM A GREAT DEAL OF TIME TO PROVIDE INPUT.
AND I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS FROM OUR PUBLIC, THOSE THAT WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY ANY OF THE POTENTIAL PROJECTS.
SO FOR THE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, THAT YOUR APPLICATION OR THAT YOUR TERM IS UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR? IF YOU INTEND TO REAPPLY, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR REAPPLICATION IN COMPLETELY THRILLED.
RIGHT. WHAT'S THAT WHOLE APPLICATION? ALL THE WAY RIGHT? YES. YES, SIR. IS IS THERE A TERM LIMIT LIKE THREE, TWO YEAR TERMS? AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SIT OUT ONE OR IS IT AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO STRING THEM TOGETHER.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW? YEAH. I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW.
OH EXCELLENT QUESTION. THANK YOU. WE DO RESUBMIT OUR APPLICATION, WHICH I WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE DO NOW AT THE END OF THE TERM, LIKE DECEMBER 31ST TOMORROW? YES. SO COUNCIL WILL GO THROUGH THE THE REAPPOINTMENT PROCESS AND THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS FOR NEW APPLICATIONS AS WELL.
WE'LL DO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS AND ALL OF THAT FOR REAPPOINTMENTS.
I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY MAYBE SPEAK TO YOU BRIEFLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY IN-DEPTH INTERVIEW AS MAYBE AS IT HAS BEEN THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU CAME ON BOARD. BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT REAPPOINTMENT PROCESS JUST LIKE THE FIRST ROUND.
OKAY. SO, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND TO THE COMMISSION, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS WHOSE TERMS WILL END DECEMBER 31ST.
WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS HERE WITH US TODAY. COMMISSIONER WEISS IS NOT HERE. THERE ARE TWO ALTERNATE MEMBERS ARE NOT HERE, OBVIOUSLY. SO AS IT RELATES TO THE SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES, AND THIS IS OUTLINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION INCLUDE PROCESSING AND INITIATING ZONING CASES AT THE REQUEST OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES WITH RESPECT TO INDIVIDUAL ZONING CASES. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL INITIATING ZONING CASES AT THE REQUEST OR
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APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL. THAT WOULD BE CITY INITIATED ZONING CHANGES IF WE HAD ANY REZONINGS THAT ARE CITY INITIATED HEARINGS, RECOMMENDING AND OR DETERMINING ANY MATTER RELATED TO PLANNING AND SUBDIVISION CONTROL MAY BE SPECIFIED BY THE SPECIFIC BY THIS ZONING ORDINANCE OR OTHER APPLICABLE LAW. AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO THE MATTERS OF LOOKING AT PLANNING AND ANYTHING THAT'S CONTAINED WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, WHICH IS A SUBSET OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THEN PERFORMING OTHER SUCH DUTIES AS MAY FROM TIME TO TIME BE ASSIGNED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.ROWLETT. THEY WERE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF OTHER SUCH DUTIES AS ASSIGNED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AND WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE EARLIER.
SO CONSIDER THE FIRST ITEMS RECOMMENDED BODY TO CITY COUNCIL.
THESE ARE ALL DISCRETIONARY ITEMS WHERE THE ULTIMATE DECISION IS MADE BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO REZONING SPECIAL USE PERMITS FORM BASED CODE CURRENTLY IN OUR FORM BASED CODE.
MAJOR WARRANTS. MINOR WARRANTS MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY MANAGER IF HE SO CHOOSES.
IF HE DEFERS, THEN THOSE MINOR WARRANTS WILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
ALL MAJOR WARRANTS, HOWEVER, AND THEY ARE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE FORM BASED CODE IN TERMS OF WHAT CONSTITUTES A MAJOR WARRANT MUST BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL AS THE FINAL DECISION MAKER. TREE REMOVAL PERMITS ALTERNATIVE LANDSCAPE PLANS AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FORM BASED CODE AMENDMENTS.
SO ANY AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO TO RDC AND FORM BASED CODE WILL REQUIRE FINAL DECISION WITH COUNCIL. WHAT IS NOT ON HERE AS I LOOK RPDS.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS ARE A FORM OF ZONING.
SPECIALTY ZONING TYPE. THOSE ARE ALSO HEARD AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BUT THEY'RE RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL DECISION. THEY HAVE A APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR ALL PLAT TYPES, ALTERNATIVE LANDSCAPING PLANS, PROPERTIES LESS THAN AN ACRE. AND THEN SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS LESS THAN 20,000FT².
THANK YOU FOR THAT CATCH. AND THEN VARIANCES TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO THIS KIND OF SUMMARIZES WHAT THEIR SPECIFIC ROLES ARE AS IT RELATES TO AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION.
STOP THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU, MR. HALL.
APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS KIND OF ON THAT BEFORE WE HAVE A DIALOG HEAR FROM ANYBODY? OKAY. SO I'D LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT ANY NEEDS THAT YOU ALL HAVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL ON HOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON WHY SOMETHING MIGHT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, WHY SOMETHING MIGHT HAVE BEEN DENIED, WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT CONDITIONS ON THINGS. I WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT IF POSSIBLE.
SO IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT FROM A HIGH LEVEL HOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN PERFORMING.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT PLACE TO START.
SO LET ME START BY ASKING WHEN YOU ALL HAVE A MEETING AND YOU'RE HEARING A ZONING CASE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WELL PREPARED TO HEAR THAT CASE, OR ARE YOU GETTING WHAT YOU NEED IN YOUR PACKET? ARE YOU GETTING THE INFORMATION YOU NEED FROM STAFF? IS THE MEETING FLOWING WELL? HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT? I THINK, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK GETTING THE GETTING THE PACKAGE IS I THINK IT'S AT THE POINT WHERE IF WE ASK IT FOR ANY EARLIER SO THAT WE HAVE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, THEN STAFF IS KIND OF SHORTCHANGED ON IT. SO, WE USUALLY RECEIVE IT 4 TO 5 DAYS BEFORE HEARINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR MOST PEOPLE, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE THINKS SO, THAT'S ENOUGH TIME.
AND THERE WAS A RECENT CHANGE TO STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES AGENDAS TO BE POSTED FIVE, THREE, THREE, THREE BUSINESS DAYS IN ADVANCE. SO NO LONGER IS THE THURSDAY EVENING FOR A TUESDAY MEETING POSTING GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT HAS TO HAPPEN. WHAT, BY WEDNESDAY ESSENTIALLY.
SO YOU'RE GETTING MORE OF A LEAD TIME NOW THAN YOU WOULD HAVE EVER GOTTEN BEFORE, WHICH WILL HELP, I THINK. SO YOU KNOW, THE I FEEL THAT THE PACKAGE IS PREPPED FAIRLY WELL.
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VISIT THE SITE IF NECESSARY, LOOK AROUND, TAKE PICTURES IF WE NEED TO.COMMISSIONERS ANY OTHER FEEDBACK I. I WOULD AGREE WITH MR. COTE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON BACK ON PNC SINCE JANUARY.
BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF, IF WE HAD 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT ITEMS REQUIRING SPECIALLY PUBLIC HEARINGS, IF YOU HAD FIVE OR MORE, THEN I'D LIKE TO HAVE A PACKET A LITTLE LONGER.
OUT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT TYPICALLY WE, WE HAVE THREE, MAYBE FOUR AT THE MOST.
SO IT IS PLENTY OF TIME. BUT IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE NICE.
ONE OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE USED TO HAVE ACCESS TO, WHICH WE NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO AND I'M NOT SURE WHO TURNED THAT OFF OR IF IT WAS JUST NOT PASSED ON.
BUT WE USED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WHAT IS THE BLUE? WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE BLUE BEAM? BLUE BEAM. OKAY.
ACCESS TO BLUE BEAM, WHICH ALLOWED US TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE STREAM, YOU KNOW? AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT LETS US EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE WE NEED TO READ IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE FINAL PACKAGE OR THE FINAL DEAL, BUT AT LEAST IT GETS US STARTING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S COMING.
IT'S A DRAFT VERSION OF THE PACKET. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S WELL IT'S WELL, WELL BEFORE THAT IT'S WHEN AN ITEM GETS SUBMITTED, IT GETS INTO BLUE BEAM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OFFICES USE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND DEVELOPERS AND THAT TO, YOU KNOW, FOR INFORMATION AND WHATNOT. SO YOU KIND OF SEE THE PACKAGE IN ITS DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
AND WHEN DID THAT STOP HAPPENING? I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOG ON.
OKAY. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE ACCESS? YEAH, I THINK, CHRISTOPH. IS THAT IS THAT THIS CHANGE THAT WE MADE OR NOT, THAT I'M AWARE OF? OKAY. YOU KNOW, BLUEBEAM IS IS WHAT PEOPLE PUT IN CIVIL PLANS OR THOSE PLANS, THEY GO INTO BLUEBEAM SO THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH REVIEW.
THEY ARE JUST THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH REVIEW.
SO THEY ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND DO OFTEN CHANGE.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.
THERE ARE LICENSES THAT ARE RESTRICTED ON THAT AND CERTAINLY COULD BE A LIMITER.
AND HOW MANY LICENSES WE HAVE AVAILABLE IS IS A QUESTION MARK THAT I'LL CHECK ON.
OKAY. THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK STAFF IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB IN PROVIDING US VERY COMPLETE PACKAGES.
I APPRECIATE ALL THEIR HARD WORK. GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
ONE THING WE ARE GOING TO START DOING IS WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ZONING CASES.
IN PARTICULAR, WE'VE ASKED OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MISS THOMAS, TO START ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH A LITTLE EXTRA LEGAL SUPPORT. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS DURING SOME OF THE CASES ABOUT WHAT CAN WE ASK, WHAT CAN WE ASK? WHAT TYPE OF THINGS CAN WE ASK OF THE DEVELOPER? AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GREAT TO HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON SITE RATHER THAN RELYING ON STAFF'S OPINION, WHICH IS NOT A LEGAL OPINION IN THE MOMENT. TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME GUIDANCE AND SOME ADVICE TO YOU ALL, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ASSURANCE IN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AND WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AS YOU'RE CONDUCTING BUSINESS. AND I'D LIKE TO ECHO THAT, BECAUSE CITY STAFF AND PLANNING STAFF, THEY HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON PMC.
THEY'RE GOOD WITH INFORM US FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
IF THERE'S BEEN ANY AMENDMENTS ON AN ITEM. MAKES IT MORE STATISTICAL.
WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT HELPS US ON DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE.
SO THAT CAN BE APPRECIATED. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US.
SO BY PROVIDING US THE INFORMATION THAT MATTERS, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. I WOULD HAVE ONE CRITICISM AND IT'S NOT TOWARDS STAFF PER SE, BUT STAFF HAS BEEN SO SHORT IN IN PERSONNEL.
BUT THEY'RE ADDING AND AND THEY, THEY'VE HAD PEOPLE MOVE IN AND OUT TO BE QUITE CANDID.
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SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE JUST INUNDATED AT TIMES WITH NEW STUFF COMING IN THE DOOR.AND SO IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO GET A HOLD OF SOMEBODY AND AND AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS TO DO WITH STAFF, PER SE. IT'S THE SHORTAGE OF STAFF. THANK YOU.
AND YOU GO. I JUST TALKED TO THE. I WAS IN A MEETING TWO DAYS AGO.
WHAT? SO MR. HOLT DOES. DOES PNC HAVE A PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT WITHIN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? IT'S SHARED RESPONSIBILITIES. PARTLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH HAVING A FOUR DAY WORK WEEK, WE HAVE TO KIND OF STAGGER WHEN WE'RE INTERACTING WITH NOT ONLY PNC, BUT ALSO WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN IT'S KIND OF A REVOLVING TARGET, IF YOU WILL, WHERE? PROCESSING APPLICATIONS. WE'RE READYING APPLICATIONS TO GET ONTO THE AGENDAS.
AND FOR US, PARTICULARLY FOR THE PLANNING DIVISION, WE'RE CONSTANTLY EITHER TURNING AND PREPARING STAFF REPORTS FOR PNC OR PREPARING STAFF REPORTS FOR CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF REVISIONS ONCE WE GET TO PNC TO INCORPORATE THEIR COMMENTS.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE PUT IN AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TARGET IT, WE'VE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES WITH THE NEW STATE LAW, WE'VE HAD TO KIND OF BACK UP OUR PROCESS BECAUSE AFTER LET'S SAY, FOR INSTANCE, AFTER WE HAVE A PNC DECISION, THE AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL IS ALREADY DUE THE NEXT DAY.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO KIND OF PUSH OUT ANY OF OUR DECISIONS BY ABOUT.
A MONTH OR SO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET ONTO THAT AGENDA BECAUSE WE JUST CONCLUDED THE DAY BEFORE THE AGENDA WHEN THE AGENDA ITEMS ARE DUE, OUR ITEMS OF PNC. WOW.
SO IT'S IT'S KIND OF THE VICTORIA AND I TALKED ABOUT IT.
SOMETIMES WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE IN AUSTIN, THOSE FOLKS MAKING THE DECISIONS DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT PLAYS OUT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, BUT IT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON HOW WE CONDUCT BUSINESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO JUST EXPLAIN TO THE APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO GET YOUR PROJECT TO CITY COUNCIL AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURED ALL OF THE COMMENTS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET PLACED ON FOR THE NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA.
SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF WAIT TO TO TO CYCLE TWO CYCLES.
YEAH FOUR WEEKS. SO STAFF FEELS RUSHED, YOU WOULD SAY SINCE THEY ARE SHORT, IT APPEARS TO BE SHORTER STAFF LIKE OUR PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE JUST HELD, IT WAS ERRORS AND ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, OCCURRED ON OUR LAST AGENDA THAT I, I RECOGNIZED. BUT OVERALL, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, IT'S BEEN PRETTY GOOD.
BUT THAT PROBABLY ATTRIBUTED TO IT, YOU KNOW, BY BEING DIFFERENT STAFFING, NOT AN ACTUAL POINT PERSON FOR US TO REACH OUT TO, FOR REACHING. SO. SO WERE THOSE MATERIAL ERRORS LIKE YOU HAD TO YOU HAD TO TABLE THE TABLE THE ITEM OR I THINK WE SENT THEM BACK.
OKAY. YEAH. FOR CORRECTION. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY.
I'D BE PRETTY UPSET TOO. SO I'D LIKE TO GET THAT TO GET TIGHTENED UP.
IF WE CAN GET THAT TIGHTENED UP. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S EMAIL WHERE IT GOES AFTER THREE PEOPLE, ONE OF THEM'S GOING TO ANSWER, WHO'S GOING TO ANSWER IT? SOMEBODY NEEDS TO ANSWER. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE WAITING AROUND FOR THAT? AND I'M SORRY.
I'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT STUFF. DO YOU ALL THINK IT WOULD HELP IF YOU HAD CITY ISSUED EMAIL ACCOUNTS OR J COM T WILLIAMS AT COM? WOULD THAT HELP STREAMLINE THINGS A BIT OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE USING YOUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT? I DON'T KNOW DO YOU GUYS ANSWER THOSE. NO, NO I MEAN I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD REALLY I MEAN, FROM A RECORDS RETENTION.
RECORDS RETENTION STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT PROBABLY IS A SAFER WAY TO GO.
THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE. I USE MY PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNT AND A FOLDER JUST FOR PNC ITEMS. AND WHETHER THAT'S I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE AS SIMPLE AS, AS PLACEHOLDER TYPE EMAILS.
COMMISSIONER ONE AT COM COMMISSIONER TWO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THERE'S PLACEHOLDERS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THOSE EMAIL ADDRESSES AND HISTORICAL STUFF CAN BE THERE. WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT LIST AND LOOK AND SEE WHO THAT PERSON IS.
HE MAY STILL HAVE. HE STILL KNOWS COMMISSIONER ONE.
THAT'S FAIR. MR.. FORGIVE ME. I'M. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATION COMING TO US OR US?
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OUR COMMUNICATION COMING BACK TO STAFF? EITHER WAY, I THINK BOTH.RIGHT. THE IDEA BEING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE TOLD ESSENTIALLY YOU NEED TO KEEP ALL OF YOUR EMAILS FOR X PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE OF OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS AND PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS THAT CAN COME THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S IN YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL BOX, RIGHT? I, YOU KNOW, HAVING SERVED ON A COMMISSION MYSELF IN THE PAST, I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE BEEN APPRECIATIVE OF HAVING A CITY ISSUED EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE I COULD AT THE END OF MY SERVICE PART WAYS WITH THAT EMAIL ADDRESS AND NOT EVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AGAIN. AND IT RETAINS AN OWNERSHIP OF THE CITY, CUSTODY OF THE CITY, AND THEY GET TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO.
RECORDS REQUESTS TO PULL. OKAY. LET ME CHECK.
WE COULD ADD IT TO THE LIST OF SEVEN EMAIL ADDRESSES I CURRENTLY HAVE.
SO. OH, HEY, I HEAR YOU, I HEAR YOU. OH, WE'LL GIVE YOU A CARD WITH.
ONE. TWO. THREE. FOUR. FIVE. OH, I ONLY HAVE SIX, SO I DO HAVE ROOM FOR ONE MORE.
ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING FOR STAFF TO LOOK INTO, IF THAT'S.
I DON'T IMAGINE IT'D BE TERRIBLY, TERRIBLY DIFFICULT.
SO NOT COMPLEX. OKAY. COUNCIL. I DON'T WANT TO MONOPOLIZE THE TIME WITH MY QUESTIONS.
SO WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR THE COMMISSION, ALISA? SO LAST YEAR, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE DID, LIKE, A GROUP TRAINING SESSION FOR ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
WE DID IT LAST JANUARY AND I JUST WANTED FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS.
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT TRAINING THAT WE DID WAS USEFUL? DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU LEARNED SOMETHING? WAS IT A WERE YOU ABLE THE THE COUPLE HOURS ON A SATURDAY MORNING? WAS IT WAS IT USEFUL FOR YOU? DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT MADE YOUR JOB AS A COMMISSIONER CLEARER? YOU UNDERSTOOD YOUR ROLE BETTER? I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT DEFINITELY DID WAS, YOU KNOW, RE GO AHEAD AND REFRESH THE INFORMATION FOR THOSE OF US WHO STILL ARE ON BOARDS OR HAVE BEEN ON BOARDS, BUT IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S ON A BOARD, OKAY, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY. AND AGAIN, ALLOWS US TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE OF US.
BUT AND I THINK THE MATERIAL THAT WAS PUT OUT WAS GOOD.
I MEAN, GOOD SOLID FOUNDATION, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST STARTING OFF.
OTHER FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION. JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
NOW, GOING FORWARD, IT THAT WILL JUST BE REQUIRED FOR NEW MEMBERS.
LAST YEAR WAS SORT OF THE CATCH UP FOR EVERYBODY.
OH OKAY. WELL I JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND FOR Y'ALL THEY'RE GOING I GOT, I GOTTA, I GOTTA READ YOU KNOW SIGN UP I GOTTA REDO THIS. SO, ANYWAY. YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE FIRST ONE WAS FOR EVERYONE. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD TURN YOU AWAY IF YOU WANTED TO COME BACK.
YEAH, I THINK I MISSED THIS. BUT, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS IT WAS A VALUABLE RESOURCE THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO FOR NEW MEMBERS. MR. HERNANDEZ, THE ONLY IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK THIS MEETING WAS RESCHEDULED ONCE.
THAT TRAINING WAS RESCHEDULED ONE TIME, SO I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND IT.
IT ENDED UP BECOMING WHERE I WAS OUT OF TOWN THAT DAY.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE HAD THAT ONLINE OR SOMEWHERE WE COULD HAVE ACCESSED IT AGAIN, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY REALLY WANTED TO TO HEAR WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED.
AND I I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH THAT.
I THINK WE HAD INTENDED TO RECORD IT AND I THOUGHT IT WAS RECORDED.
YEAH. SO THAT WAS THE INTENT. IT JUST WORKED OUT.
BUT YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THIS CHURCH.
YEAH. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DID RESCHEDULE IT BECAUSE OF THE ICE STORM.
THAT'S RIGHT, MR. POLLARD. YEAH. I WILL GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE FROM AN OLD COMMISSIONER THAT THAT CAME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GOOD. THERE WAS SOME CATCH UPS, THINGS THAT IN THE YEARS THAT I HAD BEEN OFF THE COMMISSION THAT MISS THOMAS BROUGHT UP, THAT HAD CHANGED IN THE LAW AND THINGS THAT THAT THAT WAS A GOOD REFRESHER.
IT WAS. JOHN SAYS. THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. COUNCIL OTHER QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE A REAL QUICK COMMENT. YOU KNOW, I'M WE'RE A FRESHMAN HERE, BUT WATCHING AND I WATCHED SOME OF Y'ALL STUFF AND WE'VE HAD MEETINGS TO SEE WHAT Y'ALL DONE ON HOW THAT WENT AND EVERYTHING.
I'VE BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED. I THINK Y'ALL DO A VERY GOOD JOB, VERY PROFESSIONAL.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING.
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AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE IT MAKES OUR JOB EASIER WHEN IT COMES TO US, TOO.AND I WAS GOING TO DEFINITELY ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF COUNCILMEMBER GIBBS BEING A NEW COUNCIL PERSON, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE OBJECTIVE NATURE OF HOW YOU GUYS LOOK AT THINGS DEFINITELY HAS MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR ME TO GO THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS AND UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE GOING TO COLLECTIVELY MOVE THE CITY FORWARD. SO I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO. VERY GOOD JOB. AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
I CERTAINLY HAVE NO PROBLEMS IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED TO CALL ME UP.
SO, CHIEF, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? WHAT WHAT DID YOU DO? WHY DID YOU DO THIS? WHY DID YOU DO THAT? AND YOU'VE NEVER SHIED AWAY FROM SHARING YOUR OPINION, WHICH WE APPRECIATE. WE APPRECIATE THE KIND OF ON THAT NOTE THEN SORT OF THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK RECENTLY WE'VE HAD A COUPLE ITEMS THAT HAVE COME TO COUNCIL WHERE PNC APPROVED, AND THEN THEY WERE NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
IS THERE ANY VALUE IN REVIEWING THOSE OR LOOKING AT THAT, OR IS THAT NOT REALLY HOW THE PROCESS GOES? I, I WAS THIS IS KIND OF I KNOW YEAH I ACTUALLY UNDERLINED PERFORMANCE JUST BECAUSE I WAS THINKING, SO WHAT IS OUR SCORE. WHAT IS OUR GRADE. YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN HAVE WE MADE THE RIGHT CALL? WELL, NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT CALL OR WRONG CALL, BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, THE BUT YEAH. IS THERE VALUE IN IN DOING A POSTMORTEM OR.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE KNOW, BUT IT'S IT'S KIND OF OUR PERSPECTIVE AND OUR VIEWPOINT.
BUT NO, NO, RIGHT OR WRONG, I WANT YOU I WANT YOU TO DELIBERATE AND VOTE AS YOU SEE IT.
WELL, ON THAT NOTE, THOUGH, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL JUST WHEN WE DELIBERATE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'VE HAD DOWNTOWN DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT IF YOU'VE WATCHED COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU'VE SEEN IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T WATCH IT, THEN YOU WOULDN'T SEE WHAT THAT IS.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU ALL TO KIND OF SEE THE PRIORITIES OF WHAT WE WANT, AND SORT OF THE VISION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING? NOT TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO ALONG. EVERYONE NEEDS THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR.
BUT AT LEAST TO KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF SORT OF THE NORTH STAR OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET, GET TO SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS COMING IN, YOU KIND OF HAVE CONTEXT FOR HOW THAT FITS IN WITH THE OVERALL FUTURE OF ROWLETT. WOULD THAT WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? I THINK THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE AND WE'VE HAD, IN FACT, JUST RECENTLY, ONE WHERE PNC WAS PRETTY MUCH SPLIT ON IT.
IT WAS THE IN FACT, MR. GIBBS WASN'T REAL HAPPY WITH IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ROAD WENT THROUGH THE THE COMPLEX ON KIRBY. YEAH, LET'S LET'S NOT GET TOO MUCH INTO SPECIFICS.
WHAT? BUT WHAT? THAT WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT TYPE OF.
NOW, HOW CAN HOW CAN I PULL THAT BACK? BUT A CASE LIKE THAT, A CASE A CASE THAT FITS WHAT IS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, OKAY. THAT MAY HAVE SOME NEED TO POLISH.
OKAY. TO HAVE YOUR IDEAS ON WHAT THAT IS, WOULD HELP US TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF GUIDE THAT TO THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITHOUT WITHOUT GETTING INTO DETAIL. BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, IF I CAN ONE THAT RECENTLY CAME UP WAS THE BRAKES PLUS.
LOOK AT THE LAWYER. LOOK AT THE LAWYER. STRATEGIC STRATEGIC PLAN.
IT MAY HAVE MADE SENSE ON ONE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT AT LAKEVIEW DEVELOPMENT FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, WRIT LARGE IS WHAT I'M SAYING, NOT A SPECIFIC PLAN.
WELL, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT JONATHAN'S TALKING ABOUT.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THAT I WAS LIKE, WELL.
BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A POCKET FULL OF MONEY.
SURE. YEAH. OKAY, I GET IT. AND THEY DO THEIR RESEARCH AND THEY, THEY LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE OR WHAT THEY CAN DO OR WHAT THEY CAN'T DO, AND TO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, I WANT TO PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE.
OKAY. OKAY. ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND FOR FOR US TO SHOOT HIM DOWN AND SAY, WELL, NO, YOU CAN'T DO A CONVENIENCE STORE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE 3 OR 4.
HIS BUSINESS PLAN. I WOULD HOPE. IF NOT, I GUESS, YOU KNOW HE'S GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT HIS BUSINESS PLAN HAD ALREADY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE DISTANCE AND THE VOLUME OF BUSINESS AND ALL THE REST OF
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THAT. SO I HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING, NO, YOU CAN'T.I ABSOLUTELY GET IT. BUT IT KIND OF GOES WITH JONATHAN WAS TALKING ABOUT OF SORT OF THAT MORE STRATEGIC VISIONARY, YOU KNOW WHAT AS A CITY WE WANT AND HOW HOW P AND Z, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
I MEAN, I EXACTLY YOU KNOW, I GET IT. THEY, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS WANTS TO MOVE HERE.
THEY GOT MONEY. IT'S A IT'S A GOING CONCERN. I CERTAINLY GET IT.
BUT THAT LOOKING AT IT MORE IN THAT HOLISTIC SORT OF SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY, AS YOU SAY, LAKEVIEW PARKWAY FROM END TO END, WHICH I CONSIDER REALLY PRIME REAL ESTATE.
WELL, LET'S YEAH, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S SEPARATE THE CONCEPT HERE BECAUSE WHAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, YOU ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY IS, IS THE OBJECTIVE LENS THROUGH WHICH YOU HAVE TO LOOK.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING FROM YOU ALL, AND WHAT MY ASK SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE OF THIS GROUP IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THINGS REALLY THROUGH THAT OBJECTIVE LENS, RIGHT.
LOOK AT THE REQUEST ON ITS FACE. DON'T PUSH BACK SO MUCH ON INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS AND TRY TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. IF IT IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, GREAT. TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THE NEGOTIATION, IF AT ALL YOU CAN, BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AN OPINION THAT'S UNADULTERATED BY A DEVELOPER'S FEEDING INTO WHATEVER YOUR OPINION MIGHT BE, LET US HANDLE AND DEAL WITH THEIR THE WAY THAT THEY MASSAGE DEVELOPMENTS TO GET THEM PUSHED THROUGH.
RIGHT. LET US LET US DEAL WITH THAT. WE WOULD REALLY, I THINK AT LEAST I WOULD REALLY PREFER TO HEAR YOUR UNFILTERED OPINION ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT. THE ANSWER IS NO. JUST SAY NO.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY NO, BECAUSE I MEAN, THE THING ABOUT THE THING ABOUT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE EXISTING ZONING ON A SITE MEANS THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE CITY'S PAST, ONE CITY COUNCIL OR ANOTHER DECIDED THAT ZONING IS THE BEST USE FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY WHY YOU THINK IT'S NOT RIGHT.
YOU CAN SIMPLY SAY NO, AND THAT'S OKAY. NOW, IF YOU CHOOSE TO SAY YES OR YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE ZONING GET CHANGED OR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT GET CHANGED, CHANGE. FEEL FREE TO ADD YOU KNOW CHARACTER INTO WHY YOU THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE WOULD LOVE THAT OPINION. WE WOULD LOVE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF A PARTICULAR SITE.
IT MIGHT NOT BE THE EXISTING ZONING OF A C2, IT MIGHT BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THAT MIGHT BE WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. BUT FEEL FREE WHEN YOU'RE READY TO SAY NO, TO JUST SAY NO, NOT BACK IT UP WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF COMMENTARY.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE DEVELOPERS IN PARTICULAR, THAT THOSE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEEP POCKETS THAT WANT TO COME AFTER A CITY LIKE US WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SAY, WELL, THEY'RE JUST DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ME FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
IF IT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN THE WITHIN THE TOPICS OF REASONS THAT WE CAN DENY SOMETHING INCONSISTENCY WITH OUR COMP PLAN, ADVERSE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, INFRASTRUCTURE LIMITATIONS, FAILURE TO PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE IF IT IF IT APPEARS TO BE SPOT ZONING, OR IF IT'S NONCOMPLIANCE WITH ZONING STANDARDS.
IF IT DOESN'T REALLY MEET ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THEN YOU CAN JUST SIMPLY SAY NO IF IT'S YOUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION THAT YOU DON'T THINK IT WORKS FOR FOR A FOR A SITE, BUT ALSO IN SAYING THOSE THINGS, WHEN A BUSINESS OWNER, A DEVELOPER COMES, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED THAT BEING AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THAT APPROPRIATE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET INTO A STICKY SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE INCONSISTENCY.
AND I MEAN, I KNOW MOST CITIES FACE THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY WHEN YOU SAY, WELL, WE COULD JUST SAY NO OR JUST SAY YES, BUT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES AND AT LEAST THEY DOCUMENT IT AND THEY'VE TAKEN THE APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO COME BEFORE A PNC.
TO ME WE SHOULD EXPLAIN, BECAUSE IF THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T, THEY, YOU KNOW, DON'T COME WITH PRESENTATIONS AND IT'S KIND OF SLOPPY.
I WOULDN'T ADVOCATE FOR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. BUT IF THEY TAKE UP THE TIME AND WE'VE ACTUALLY SAID, WELL, HEY, THIS IS R2 OR WHATEVER THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY ZONE IS, IT SHOULD BE TAKEN, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, BUT SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS AND CONSIDER CONSIDERED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TAKEN APPROPRIATE MEASURES TO BE ZONED IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA AND HAVE TAKEN ALL THE TIME TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THOSE PROTOCOLS OR WHATEVER THOSE MEASURES MAY BE.
YOU KNOW, IN BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH.
AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR.
AND I WOULD NEVER TELL YOU TO NOT SHARE YOUR OPINION.
TO A DEVELOPER OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO WHILE YOU'RE SITTING AT THE DAIS.
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AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT I HEARD FROM ANOTHER MAYOR. HIS PLANNING AND ZONING.ACTUALLY, IT WAS SOMEONE ON A CITY COUNCIL. EXCUSE ME. THERE WAS A ZONING REQUEST FOR A DAYCARE.
THIS IS IN ANOTHER CITY. TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR, THERE WAS A ZONING REQUEST FOR DAYCARE. NOW, THERE'S ALREADY A SERIES OF DAYCARES IN THIS TOWN. BUT THIS PARTICULAR DAYCARE HAD COME FORTH.
AND WHAT DO DEVELOPERS DO? THEY LOVE TO TALK ABOUT NOT JUST WE WANT TO REZONE TO A DAYCARE.
AND HERE'S THE SPECS OF THE BUILDING AND THAT KIND OF THING. THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THEY BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WHAT THIS PARTICULAR DAYCARE WOULD BRING TO THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE THIS LEARNING CURRICULUM THAT'S AMAZING AND SPECIAL.
AND IT'S IN SPANISH AND IT CATERS TO A DIFFERENT KIND OF CLIENTELE.
AND ONE OF THE COUNCIL, MEMBERS SAID, THIS IS GOING TO BE A SPANISH SPEAKING DAYCARE.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THE THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS NOT CONSISTENT, DOESN'T ALLOW FOR PROPER TURNING, FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS, ESPECIALLY AT PEAK TIMES.
IT'S WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT VERY GRAY AREA AND YOU START TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE VERY MUCH OUT OF BOUNDS, YOU CAN REALLY STEP INTO IT. YEAH, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT.
YES, MA'AM. AND TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I THINK SOME OF US HAVE HAD TO LEARN THAT WITH GOOD, WISE LEGAL COUNSEL, SOMETIMES THE BEST THE BEST RESPONSE IS SIMPLY LET YOUR YES BE YES AND YOUR NO NO WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ARTICULATION.
YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE, THAT SIDE OF THE TABLE AND YOUR RESPONSE THERE THAT WHAT ABOUT THIS SIDE. BUT BUT YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE BECAUSE OF THE STRATEGIC PART OF IT BECAUSE ALTHOUGH WE'RE TWO INDEPENDENT BODIES TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WHAT WE LOOK AT IS NOT DEPENDENT ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO, BUT IT IS NICE TO KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF WHY DID THAT? WHY DID WE UNANIMOUSLY SAY THIS? AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY SAID, YEAH, NO.
RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, AND AGAIN, IT IS THE VISION FOR THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, SO WE WE ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
AND IT MIGHT BE TIME FOR A COMP PLAN UPDATE. OUR COMP PLAN MAYBE NEEDS SOME TWEAKING.
SO I WOULD SAY SO 20 2018. YEAH WE'RE SEVEN YEARS IN.
SO SORRY 19 I THINK STANLEY'S BROUGHT THAT UP RECENTLY ACTUALLY.
SO THERE'S WE CERTAINLY LIVE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD POST PANDEMIC.
I THINK THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE DRAMATICALLY CHANGED.
AND IT MIGHT BE TIME FOR AN UPDATE. THERE IS A LOT TO COUNCIL.
WOW. REALLY? AND MAYOR, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU GUYS WERE ARE FINE WITH JUST SAYING THOUGH, BECAUSE SOMETIMES I DO SAY NO. BUT IT'S ALL RIGHT.
YEAH. YEAH. AND WE WANT YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO. WE HAVE UNOFFICIAL BETTING ON HOW LONG OUR MEETINGS WILL GO, RIGHT? NOT NONMONETARY BETTING AS FAR AS HOW OUR MEETINGS WILL GO.
GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT. THINK ABOUT THAT. IT'S YOUR TIME.
YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO INVEST AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE AS YOU CHOOSE.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT COMMISSIONER WHITE ALSO ARRIVED KIND OF DURING THAT DIALOG AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THE ONE THING Y'ALL DID BRING UP, AND I AND I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE, AND IT'S CERTAINLY THE FOR ME, THE HARD PART OF IT IS THERE DOES HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN OBJECTIVITY FROM YOUR SIDE OF IT THAT THAT MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT OBJECTIVE. AND SO FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID, I THINK IT'S STILL IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THAT OBJECTIVITY BECAUSE THAT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, REALLY WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF TASKED WITH. SO WHEN WE SAY NO, IT'S 99% CHANCE IT'S GOING TO WIND UP IN YOUR LAP, BUT YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING. WE DON'T HAVE TO. YOU HAVE THE ONE FINAL AUTHORITY, OF COURSE, BUT THE POLITICAL YOU ALSO KNOW OTHER THINGS THAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND FINANCIALLY AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT PRIVY TO.
YEAH. I DO WANT TO MENTION ONE THING ALSO KIND OF A SPECIAL POWER THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IS THAT IN ZONING CASES, IF YOU DENY A REQUEST, REQUIRES A SUPERMAJORITY BY THE COUNCIL TO OVERTURN THAT REQUEST.
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SO YOU DO HAVE THAT KIND OF UNIQUE SORRY IF THEY DENIED BY THREE FOURTHS.SO THREE QUARTERS, THREE QUARTERS. AND NOW IF THEY APPROVE AND WE IF THEY APPROVE BY SIMPLE MAJORITY AND WE WANT TO DENY, DO WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE SUPERMAJORITY? NO. OKAY.
THAT THAT WAS JUST GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS STILL A LITTLE UNCLEAR. IT'S JUST AN OVERTURNING THEIR DECISION. OKAY. THEIR RECOMMENDATION, I SHOULD SAY SO WHEN WE GET OUR PACKETS AND STUFF AND WE GOT SOME THAT'S COMING FOR US WITH Y'ALL Y'ALL'S.
THERE'S A LINK ALWAYS TO THAT THAT THAT MEETING.
SO I'LL WATCH THAT AND I'M LISTENING. WHAT ALL Y'ALL GOT TO SAY.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT OPINIONS UP HERE TOO. AND WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE EITHER.
BUT Y'ALL BRING A GOOD PERSPECTIVE TO THE THING.
Y'ALL ARE DOING A GOOD JOB. I MEAN ABSOLUTELY ALL THE WAY.
THEY DID REALLY GOOD THERE. SO YEAH I LISTEN TO YOUR MEETINGS AS WELL.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYONE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR C.
ALL RIGHT, MR. HALL, IF YOU'LL TAKE US THROUGH ITEM 4CA RECORD REPORT UPDATE.
[4.C. Receive an update on the Recode Rowlett Committee's progress, next steps, and anticipated completion of work.]
AND I ACTUALLY LET ME GO AHEAD AND SORRY, LET ME READ ALL THESE ITEMS INTO THE RECORD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE DID THAT. SO ITEM FOUR B WAS DISCUSSION REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. ITEM FOUR C IS TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON THE COMMITTEE'S PROGRESS, NEXT STEPS, AND ANTICIPATED COMPLETION OF WORK.ITEM FOUR D WILL BE TO UPDATE FROM STAFF REGARDING CONTINUING EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMISSIONERS, AS WELL AS REQUIRED ATTENDANCE AT SUCH OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN OUR LAST ITEM WILL BE ITEM FOUR E LEGISLATIVE UPDATE ON HB 24 AND LAND USE.
SO LET ME FIRST BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING COUNCIL MEMBER REEVES MAYOR PRO TEM CHEF.
AND WHO IS THE OTHER MEMBER? WAS IT JUST TWO, TWO ON TWO FROM CITY COUNCIL? CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER POLLARD AND COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, AND THEN, OF COURSE, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER BAUER.
AND ALSO SITTING BACK HERE. OH. I'M SORRY. YES.
AND TWO, I'M SORRY. AND WE HAVE TWO OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
I DON'T HAVE THE NAMES IN FRONT OF ME, SO I CAN'T READ THEM.
YOU GUYS GOT TO GIVE YOUR NAMES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER AND MARK DAMRON.
OKAY, SO THERE WE GO. SO HOW MANY IS THAT NOW? EIGHT PEOPLE POTENTIALLY THAT COULD GIVE THIS PRESENTATION AFTER THIS BREAK.
SO JUST BY WAY OF A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND THIS PROCESS WAS INITIATED RICO ROULETTE, WHICH WAS THE VISION OF CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME TO INITIATE A PROCESS TO REVIEW THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IN 2022.
IN SHORT, AND FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE TWO ORDINANCES THAT GOVERNS ZONING IN THE CITY.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN 2000, PROBABLY THE LATTER PART OF PAST 2010 OR SO THE CITY ENGAGED IN A FORM BASED CODE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT KIND OF LOOKED AT MORE DENSITY BASED ZONING AS OPPOSED TO THE TRADITIONAL TYPE ZONING THAT WE HAVE. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THIS, AS WE BEGAN TO TRY AND IMPLEMENT TWO CONFLICTING AT TIMES ORDINANCES WE BEGAN TO HEAR COMPLAINTS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WE OURSELVES, MEANING STAFF PLANNING AND ZONING.
CITY COUNCIL WAS CONFUSED IN TERMS OF WHICH TO LISTEN, WHAT TO FOLLOW? HOW DO WE APPLY? AND SO KIND OF BORN FROM THE FROM THOSE ISSUES.
WAS THIS NEED TO TRY AND PROVIDE SOME CLARITY TO WHAT IS GOING TO GOVERN AS IT RELATES TO ZONING.
SO AS IT RELATES TO THE INITIAL TASK THAT WAS COMPLETED BY CLARION, THE ASSESSMENT AND RECOMMENDATIONS WERE NOT NECESSARILY ALIGNED WITH, AT THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL'S POLICY DECISION. AND SO THERE WAS A SECOND EFFORT WHICH OCCURRED FEBRUARY 2015 OR 2025 THAT PROVIDED SPECIFIC AND ADDITIONAL DIRECTION ON THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING THE PROPOSED ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS AND THE SCOPE OF WORK.
I THINK THAT WAS CRITICAL FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S PERSPECTIVE, MAKING SURE THAT WE COULD THE STAFF,
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THE MANAGEMENT TEAM COULD DRILL DOWN ON WHAT THE REAL CRITICAL ISSUES WERE AND TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE DIRECTIVE WAS FROM CITY COUNCIL.FROM THERE, FROM THERE RICO CONVENED ITS FIRST MEETING APRIL 22ND, 2025, PRIMARILY TO ESTABLISH THE OBJECTIVES, THE GOALS, THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES, AND TO OFFER COMPARISON OF DENSITY BASED ZONING VERSUS THE CURRENT ZONING PRACTICES, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. SINCE THAT FIRST MEETING, WE'VE HAD EIGHT MEETINGS.
AND PRIMARILY WE'VE CONDUCTED THESE MEETINGS BY EXAMINING AND OFFERING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. CRITICAL TO THIS EXERCISE IS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A PURPOSE STATEMENT IN ANY ZONING ORDINANCE.
WHENEVER YOU'RE INTRODUCING A ZONING DISTRICT, YOU ALWAYS HAVE AN INTENT OR PURPOSE STATEMENT.
AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, AS YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THE PRECEDING SLIDES THAT WE WERE INTENTIONAL IN TERMS OF REALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IS BY CREATING A PURPOSE STATEMENT.
SO THERE WERE CLEAR OBJECTIVES, THE PROJECT GOALS PRIMARILY TO ELIMINATE FORM BASED CODE ZONING AND RELATED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND CREATE A FUNCTIONAL CODE WHICH CAN EASILY BE ENHANCED IN THE FUTURE, MEANING WE CAN EXPAND UPON IT LATER ON.
BUT AT LEAST TRY TO CORRECT THIS INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN TWO CODES, AND THEN ESTABLISH A BASIC ZONING ORDINANCE THAT IS SIMPLE TO ENFORCE AND DOES NOT CREATE OBSTACLES TO REALIZE COMPATIBLE AND COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I CAN'T STATE THIS ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING AS DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, SO I ALSO OVERSEE CODE ENFORCEMENT. CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION IS PROBABLY THE MOST VISIBLE DIVISION WITHIN ALL OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING AFTER THEY'RE APPROVED, AND THEN WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE CODES BECAUSE WE HAVE FORM BASED CODE AND WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE OFTENTIMES IN A QUANDARY BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT AND GO THROUGH AND APPLY WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE APPLICABLE TO THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, AND IT CAN BE VERY CONFUSING.
SOME THINGS ARE LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET. THEY MAY BE IN FORM BASED CODE VERSUS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND SO THIS OVERALL OBJECTIVE HELPS WILL HELP US TO ACHIEVE A UNIFIED ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, BUILT THAT ARE EXISTING, AND THEN THOSE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME THAT ARE GOING TO ENHANCE OUR FUTURE.
SO THIS THIS RECORD OBJECTIVE IS KIND OF WHAT GUIDES US EVERY TIME THE CODE COMMITTEE MEETS.
AND WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS AS A MEANS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ON TASK.
THIS IS CHRISTOPHE'S FAVORITE SLIDE. IT'S CALLED THE PLANNING PROCESS.
HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN PULL FROM. AND THEN IF ALL ELSE FAILS, YOU HAVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE TOOLBOX, WHICH IS GOING TO GUIDE YOU AND GUIDE THE CITY AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR CITY.
WE HAVE TO ALWAYS DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF NONCONFORMING USES.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S ROWLETT, IF IT'S DALLAS, IF IT'S NORTH FORT WORTH, IF IT'S AUSTIN.
EVERY JURISDICTION IS GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE NONCONFORMING USES.
IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THAT THEY'VE WRITTEN A ZONING ORDINANCE WHERE THEY'VE DEALT WITH ALL NONCONFORMING USES, THEY HAVE TOLD YOU WRONG BECAUSE THAT CANNOT BE ACHIEVED.
YOU'RE GOING TO ALWAYS, BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE NONCONFORMING USES.
BUT APPLYING THE TOOLBOX TO EXISTING USES HELPS THIS MISMATCH.
AND THEN THIS LEGAL NONCONFORMING USES SO USES CONTINUE.
IF THEY WERE LEGAL AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE ESTABLISHED THEY HAVE A LEGAL NONCONFORMING STATUS.
HOWEVER THEY CAN'T BE EXPANDED. THEY CAN'T BE INTENSIFIED.
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THEY CAN'T. THEY CAN BE REBUILT IF INITIATED WITHIN ONE YEAR.AND THEN THE VESTING EXPIRES BECAUSE TYPICALLY FOR A PARTICULAR TYPE OF NONCONFORMING USE, THERE'S A VESTING PERIOD FOR WHICH THE DISCONTINUED USE WILL COME TO COME TO PASS.
SO THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO MINIMIZE LEGAL NONCONFORMING USES.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO THIS RECODE ROULETTE PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE LEGAL, NONCONFORMING USES WHERE WE CAN.
BUT THIS THIS SLIDE KIND OF GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE.
SO IN THE ROWLETT DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF WE JUST LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THE CITY HAS 12.
NOW I DON'T HAVE IT ON THIS SLIDE. YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE WHEN WE GET TO NONRESIDENTIAL.
BUT IN SOME OF THESE CASES WE HAVE SOMETIMES FIVE AND TEN PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A SINGLE ZONING OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE IN RESIDENTIAL, BUT CERTAINLY IN NONRESIDENTIAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF ASK YOURSELF, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS FOR AN ARRAY OF DIFFERENT PROPERTY TYPES, PROPERTY SIZES. YOU SEE SF 41 ACRE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MULTIFAMILY YOU, WHICH IS FOR DOWNTOWN ONLY. SO THAT'S JUST 12 RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE RDC.
SO YOU CAN BEGIN TO SEE KIND OF THE COMPLEXITY OF WHAT DEVELOPERS GO THROUGH AS THEY'RE THINKING THROUGH, OR MAYBE EVEN A SIMPLE MOM AND POP THAT WANTS TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR ONE ACRE LOT INTO MAYBE HALF ACRES.
IT'S NOT KIND OF CUT AND DRY FOR THEM TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
MOVING ON TO OUR NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO WE JUST DISCUSSED 12 RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE 13 NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO IF YOU'RE KEEPING COUNT THAT'S 25. NOW MIND YOU OUR CITY IS JUST OVER 20MI² ALMOST 21MI².
SO WE HAVE 25 ZONING DISTRICTS FOR A CITY OUR SIZE PLUS AN ADDITIONAL FIVE.
WE HAVE THREE NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND FORM BASED CODE.
NOW IN THIS SLIDE YOU SEE WE'VE TRIED TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE TO YOU FOR INSTANCE FOR IN IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AS IT RELATES TO LIMITED OFFICE WE IDENTIFIED FOUR PROPERTIES THAT HAD ZONING DISTRICT FOR OH TWO.
WE IDENTIFIED ONE PROPERTY. IT WAS A CHURCH. THIS IS GENERAL OFFICE.
SO AS THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN ENGAGED IN THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND KIND OF LOOKING AT HISTORICALLY WHAT WE HAVE, THEY'VE KIND OF CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS? AND SO THEY'VE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THEY'VE REWORKED THE PURPOSE STATEMENTS.
AND WE'LL GET INTO A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES NOW. SO THIS IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
STAFF WILL LOOK THROUGH WHAT'S CURRENTLY EITHER IN THE RDC OR THE FORM BASED CODE.
AND THEN WE WILL DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, A PURPOSE STATEMENT THAT KIND OF DERIVES FROM BOTH OF THEM.
AND IT'S THE INTENT. SO FOR AN EXAMPLE WE LOOKED AT LOW LOW LOW MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THIS IS COMPRISED OF. WE'RE PROPOSING IT TO BE COMPRISED OF THREE ZONING DISTRICTS, CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT AND SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN, AND THE RDC AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE FORM BASED CODE.
AND BASICALLY THE INTENT STATES THE STATEMENT SAYS THE DISTRICT IS INTENDED FOR LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ACCOMMODATES SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED AND ATTACHED DWELLING CLUSTERS AROUND COMMON OPEN SPACE USES BUFFERS BETWEEN DISTRICTS AND HOUSING TYPES.
WE INCLUDE LOT DIMENSIONS, WE INCLUDE SETBACKS, AND WE INCLUDE BUILDING STANDARDS.
AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE A DEVELOPER, I WOULD BE INTIMIDATED HEARING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THESE, THESE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN SAY IN THE MEETING.
THEY'RE ON POINT IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT EXISTS WHAT THEY WANT THIS COMMUNITY TO HAVE.
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WANT TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE. I THINK. GO AHEAD SIR.I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE R5 IS TAKING THOSE 12, 13, 14 DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS AND WINDLE THAT DOWN TO FIVE.
OKAY. SO IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SAY, OKAY, I WANT TO CHOOSE THIS ONE VERSUS WHO KNOWS WHAT.
REALLY. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S GOT TO FIT SOMEWHERE.
YOU HEAR IT AS APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS. YOU HEAR IT.
YOU KNOW, THE THE DISCUSSION AROUND DENSITY OR AS I CALL IT, RESIDENTIAL INTENSITY.
HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT IT, THE INTENT IS WE HAVE IT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT ACCOMMODATES IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, IS LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS AND WHITTLING THEM DOWN, CONSOLIDATING THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN STILL CAPTURE THE ESSENCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OF THAT BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE. AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
SO WHERE ARE WE GOING? SO IN ADDITION TO GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN BOTH CODES WE'RE ALSO WE'VE BEEN WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHARGE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
IF YOU RECALL, THERE ARE AREAS OF CONFLICTING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND SINCE WE'RE COLLAPSING AND COMBINING AND BASICALLY TRYING TO DO AWAY WITH FORM BASED CODE, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THESE AREAS OF CONFLICT AS IT RELATES TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A TASK THAT WE'LL BE TAKING ON IN ANOTHER MONTH OR SO.
AND THEN THE TRADITIONAL OR THE TRANSITIONAL USE STANDARDS.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE RESPECT WE KIND OF HEARD SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PERSON BEFORE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND IF THERE IS SOME ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT, IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME COMPROMISE IN THEM ENJOYING THEIR PROPERTIES BECAUSE NOW SOMEONE IS ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTIES? AND SO JUST UNDERSTANDING THE APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONAL USES WITH THE EXISTING BUILT ENVIRONMENT VERSUS THOSE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME MOVING FORWARD. THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO COME TO THE CITY.
SO I'LL WRAP THIS UP BY TALKING ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
SO IMMEDIATELY WE'RE GOING TO START REVIEWING THE REMAINING DISTRICTS.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
SO WHAT WE HAVE FOR DEVELOPMENT CODE INCLUDES OUR INSTITUTIONAL USES, OUR SPECIAL USE PERMITS, OUR PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS. AND THEN IN THE FORM BASED CODE, WE HAVE URBAN VILLAGE AND COMMERCIAL CENTER.
THAT'S A CRITICAL PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SO LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE PROPOSED CHANGES AS NEEDED.
BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO LOOK AT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE USE TABLE.
SO IT'S KIND OF A12 PROCESS. YOU HAVE YOUR ZONING OR 123 PROCESS.
YOU HAVE YOUR ZONING DISTRICT. YOU HAVE YOUR ZONING MAP, AND YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR USE TABLE.
THAT KIND OF PROVIDES YOU WITH GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF THOSE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY.
RIGHT OR PERMITTED MAYBE THROUGH A SGP OR THROUGH SOME OTHER MECHANISM.
WE MENTIONED TRANSITIONAL STANDARDS AND THEN AREAS OF CONFLICTING DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT WILL WRAP UP KIND OF MOST OF THE REMAINING ACTIVITIES, ALONG WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AND THOSE ACTIVITIES BY STATE LAW, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE ZONING, WE HAVE TO HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WE TRY TO BAKE THAT INTO THE PROCESS.
SO TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, WE WILL BE ROLLING THIS OUT.
AND WHENEVER YOU'RE UNDERTAKING THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY, EVEN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S ALWAYS ADVISABLE TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY FIRST. YOU KNOW, IF IF I COME KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR, YOU GET A NOTICE FROM ME SAYING, WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE YOUR ZONING.
I'M GOING TO GET A CALL. CHRISTOPH IS GOING TO GET A CALL.
VICTORIA'S GOING TO GET A CALL. THE MAYOR'S GOING TO GET A CALL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO IS TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
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YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO CONFLICTING ORDINANCES.WE'RE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THINGS NOT ONLY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENT, BUT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS WELL, AND FOR THE GENERAL AND FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL.
JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN KIND OF CLEARLY UNDERSTAND HOW TO APPLY THE ORDINANCE IN THAT MANNER.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE WILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING IN VICTORIA.
SO THIS MEETING, MR. MAYOR, IS APROPOS BECAUSE WE WILL NEED TO BRING THE RECODE RECOMMENDATIONS TO PNC FIRST BEFORE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL. IS THE END OF 2025 A SELF-IMPOSED DEADLINE, OR DOES THAT HAVE STATUTORY, SELF-IMPOSED? SELF-IMPOSED? YEAH, BUT IT HELPS US TO STAY ON TRACK, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, DAVID HAS GIVEN THE CHARGE TO CHRISTOPHE.
CHRISTOPHE HAS GIVEN THE CHARGE TO ME. AND SO WE ARE ADAMANT ABOUT WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE FLOW OF THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN GOING GREAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THE MOST DIFFICULT PART IN TERMS OF TACKLING MOST OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START TO TALK THROUGH SOME TRANSITIONAL STANDARDS AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A LENGTHY DISCUSSION. BUT WE CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW MANAGE THAT APPROPRIATELY.
BUT THIS THIS SLIDE PROVIDES YOU KIND OF WITH THE SCHEDULE.
SO PROJECT INITIATION WAS IN, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE SHOULD SAY RECODE ROULETTE TWO, SECOND EDITION STARTED APRIL 2025. GOING THROUGH OUR OUR ZONING DISTRICT BASED BASELINES AND OUR ZONING CONSIDERATIONS.
THEN, YOU KNOW, REFINE IT THROUGH OUR PURPOSE STATEMENTS, OUR DESIGN AND DIMENSION STANDARDS, OUR ZONING MAP ANALYSIS, AND OUR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER ACTIVITIES WE DISCUSSED.
OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ORDINANCE REFINEMENT.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY, OKAY, WE'VE HAD YOU HERE FOR ALMOST NINE MONTHS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE ANY HEARTBURN WITH ANY OF THIS BEFORE WE START TO REALLY TAKE THIS OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, BEFORE WE HEAR IT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING BODIES? AND THAT'S THAT INTERNAL DELIBERATION THAT I IMAGINE THAT RECORD IS GOING TO DO.
AND THEN THAT'LL TAKE US INTO OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THEN OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. MR. OWL? YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOUR PRESENTATION SLIDES.
CAN YOU SEND THOSE ELECTRONICALLY CHRONICALLY TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF RECODE.
ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO DO SO. OKAY, SO THAT CONCLUDES THAT DISCUSSION.
I'LL PAUSE THERE. YEAH. SO COUNCIL OR THE COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS ON RECODE IN PARTICULAR? NOT TOO MUCH DOWN INTO THE DETAIL OF THE SPECIFICS OF RECODE BECAUSE WE HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT'S WORKING ON THAT. BUT IF THERE'S ANY HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS OR WHAT WE MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE, I THINK THOSE WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE. ANYBODY I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS FROM A COUPLE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT I'VE SEEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING AS IT RELATES TO MULTIFAMILY.
WE CAN'T JUST IGNORE ONE BECAUSE WE THINK THAT MAYBE SHOULDN'T BE HERE.
EACH EACH OF THOSE ZONING TYPES NEEDS TO EXIST IN SOME CAPACITY.
AND SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT ZONING EVER GETS USED IS KIND OF IRRELEVANT.
AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL WORKED THROUGH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE THE DRONE DELIVERY SITUATION RIGHT THERE WAS THE, THE THE DRONE HUB. THAT WAS A TOTALLY NEW SELF-INITIATED ZONING CLASS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND RAN THROUGH BOTH THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL. AND SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF CODE REFINEMENTS THAT HAPPEN OVER TIME.
SO YOU'VE MENTIONED WHAT YOU DID. I THINK FIRST OFF CAME UP WITH THE TOOLBOX.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE TOOLBOX IS FOR IS THROW ALL THAT IN THERE.
YEAH. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE USING A WRENCH AS YOUR HAMMER.
ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT RE CODE? LET ME JUST I JUST WANTED TO ONE THING ON THE POINT THAT YOU MADE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO HAVE A MULTIFAMILY ZONE, AND THAT'S ABOUT THAT NONCONFORMITY NON-CONFORMITY ISSUE, RIGHT? WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S WE HAVE TO WE REALLY SHOULD ZONE IT AS IT IS SO THAT IT IS A CONFORMING USE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE TOOLS TO APPLY TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT THERE.
AND THE RECODE PROCESS IS NOT A REVISION OF THE COMP PLAN.
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THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING UNDERTAKEN. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COMP COMP PLAN IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THOSE ARE PROCESSES THAT ARE UNDERTAKEN TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM WHAT YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON. AND I DO WANT TO COMMEND EVERYBODY WHO IS SERVING ON THE RECODE COMMITTEE, MR. REEVES, MR. SHOUP MISS WILLIAMS, MR. COTE, MR. POLLARD, MISS MCKEE, MR. DAMERON, YOU ALL ARE DOING TREMENDOUS WORK, AND IT'S A THANKLESS JOB AND WE APPRECIATE YOU.SO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE. ANYTHING ELSE ON RECODE? ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO. WHERE ARE WE AT 4D?
[4.D. Update from staff regarding continuing education opportunities for Commissioners, as well as required attendance at such opportunities.]
YES. SO EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. MR. HALL. ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THIS ONE? YES. PERFECT. THANK YOU. SO UPDATE FROM STAFF REGARDING CONTINUING EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS REQUIRED ATTENDANCE AT SUCH OPPORTUNITIES.SO I WOULD SAY FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T NORMALLY LIKE TO SHOUT OUT CITY COUNCIL, BUT I WILL SAY I WAS VERY IMPRESSED AS A NEW EMPLOYEE, WHEN YOU RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSION THEIR REQUEST FOR $15,000.
AGAIN, I'VE WORKED. IT'S PROBABLY MY FIFTH OR SIXTH COMMUNITY.
AND WITHOUT ANY HESITATION, THIS COUNCIL, THIS COUNCIL BEFORE ME WAS HAPPY FIRST THAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER THAT THE COMMISSION HAD COME FORWARD WITH A REQUEST FOR $15,000 AND EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO ATTEND SOME TRAINING.
BUT WAS ALSO HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO KUDOS TO YOU. CITY COUNCIL. I'VE WORKED WITH MANY AND NOT MANY HAVE HAVE WOULD HAVE BEEN AS GENEROUS, SHALL I SAY, AS YOU. SO WITH THAT SAID, WE WERE ABLE TO RIGHT AWAY, BASED UPON THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR'S BUDGET, WE WERE ABLE TO SEND THREE OF OUR MEMBERS TO THE 2025 ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS WORKSHOP.
SO THIS OCCURRED IN JULY OF THIS YEAR. IT WAS IN NORTH RICHLAND HILLS.
I'M NOT SURE. COMMISSIONERS CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU ATTENDED? I KNOW THERE WAS AT LEAST THREE OF YOU ALL. PROBABLY ONE MORE.
BUT AND YES, OUR RICO ROWLETT MEMBER WAS ALSO THERE.
AND SO GREAT INFORMATION, I, I WASN'T THERE, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BETTER.
IT WAS VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. AND SO THEN MOVING INTO THE NEXT TRAINING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, THE ANNUAL AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION TEXAS CHAPTER CONFERENCE, IT'S GOING TO BE OCCURRING IN COLLEGE STATION.
SHE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. COMMISSIONER WISE VOICE.
YES. WEISS WILL ACTUALLY BE A PRESENTER AT THE CONFERENCE.
AND WE'VE EXTENDED I THINK A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS HAVE MENTIONED THAT THIS TIME FRAME CONFLICTS, THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME TRAVEL PLANNED, SO WE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE TO ATTEND.
BUT WE DO HAVE ONE THAT'S CONFIRMED. AND THEN I FOUND SOME ADDITIONAL TRAINING FROM OUR COG.
BUT IT'S JUST TRADITIONAL ONE ON ONE PLANNING AND ZONING TRAINING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
IT'S $250. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO SEND AS MANY WANT TO ATTEND AS POSSIBLE.
I THINK I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND ONE EXAMPLE IS KIND OF WHAT YOU HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENT THAT MENTIONED EARLIER.
AND VICTORIA AND I JOKE ABOUT THIS A LOT IN OUR LAND USE SIDEBARS THAT WE HAVE.
OFTENTIMES STAFF MAY BE ASKED BY THE COMMISSION, BY THE COUNCIL, BY THE PUBLIC, EVEN IF A PARTICULAR PROJECT IS RENTAL OR FOR SALE, IF IT'S MARKET RATE AND THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IS, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY, MR., MAYOR OR COUNCIL OR COMMISSIONER, THAT IS NOT A LAND USE CONSIDERATION.
SO AS IT RELATES TO LAND USE, WE HAVE NO OPINION OF THAT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT.
THAT IS NOT FOR ANY LAND USE CONSIDERATION. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THE BOTTOM LINE.
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DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN NOW IT'S RENTAL THAT HAS NO CONTROL AS IT RELATES TO LAND USE.IT'S NOT CODIFIED IN ANY STATE LAW. AND SO IN ESSENCE, IT SHOULD NOT BE A DECISION.
IT SHOULD NOT BE A FACTOR IN CONSIDERING YOUR DECISION.
AND SO IF YOU HEAR STAFF PROBABLY NOT PROVIDING AN OPINION ON IT, IT'S BECAUSE WE CAN'T.
QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S NOT CODIFIED IN OUR ORDINANCE, NOR IS IT CODIFIED IN LAW.
BUT THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM A TRAINING PERSPECTIVE.
AND I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS KIND OF KNOW THAT.
BUT WE CAN ALSO TALK THROUGH THOSE ITEMS, WHAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.
WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON PLANNING AND ZONING, WE USED TO HAVE WORK SESSIONS PRIOR TO OUR PNC HEARINGS, AND DURING THOSE WORK SESSIONS, WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TRAINING, WHICH HAS GONE BY THE WAYSIDE, AND I THINK THAT'S A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT. AT LEAST I FEEL IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING BACK INTO.
MR. HOWELL? YES. WASN'T THERE SOME TRAINING THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE.
PROBABLY WITHIN ANOTHER TWO MONTHS IT'LL BE AVAILABLE.
THAT'LL BE ONLINE. AND THAT'S. I PROBABLY WILL DO THAT.
YES. SO, MR. COTE, AS CHAIR, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU FEEL THERE'S VALUE IN THAT, HAVING THOSE WORK SESSIONS WHERE THERE'S TRAINING WORK WITH STAFF AND, AND REQUEST THOSE SPECIAL MEETINGS THAT YOU ALL CAN EITHER COME EARLY BEFORE A MEETING AN HOUR EARLY AND HAVE A SIT DOWN WITH STAFF, OR THE DAY BEFORE OR OFF WEEK OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER MAKES SENSE.
USUALLY 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING, WE'D SIT DOWN AND HAVE A WORK SESSION.
I THINK THAT'S VERY APPROPRIATE. AND AND THE TRAINING THAT THEY ARE PLANNING MIGHT EITHER SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, THAT THE IN-HOUSE TRAINING. BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU CAN WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS RATHER THAN OPERATING BLIND OR IN A VACUUM OF INFORMATION. I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THE COUNCIL SUGGESTED THAT THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING WAS ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE TO ENSURE THAT YOU ALL ARE EDUCATED, EMPOWERED US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN DISAPPOINTED IN ANY OF THE TRAINING THAT I'VE GONE TO SO FAR, SO THAT'S GOOD.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU WENT TO.
THERE'S A REASON WE'RE A PART OF TML AND THE NCT COG AND NORTH TEXAS COMMISSION.
MR. HOLMAN, ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT.
I THINK IN THE HANDBOOK THAT ALSO REVISED, IT'S MANDATED THAT WE HAVE TRAINING.
YEAH, THAT'S THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. TRAINING IN PARTICULAR RIGHT NOW IS DO YOU REMEMBER IF IT HAS SPECIFIC TRAINING FOR PLANNING AND ZONING OR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS? OH, DEFINITELY. IT DOES NOT. OKAY. SO NO SPECIFIC TRAINING THERE, BUT THERE IS A BOARD OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TRAINING THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAPPENED BACK IN FEBRUARY I THINK IT WAS.
AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE. BUT IF YOU'VE ALREADY ATTENDED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RE-ATTEND OKAY. ONLY FOR NEW APPOINTMENTS OR IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE ORIGINAL ONE. MR. HERNANDEZ, OR IF YOU JUST WANT BREAKFAST.
THERE YOU GO. IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO NETWORK WITH OTHER VOLUNTEERS IN THE CITY.
I WILL SAY THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE?
[4.E. Legislative Update: H.B. 24 and Land Use.]
ALL RIGHT. OUR LAST ITEM, ITEM 40, IS TO TALK ABOUT HB 24 AND LAND USE.VICTORIA. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS MOSTLY STUFF THAT STAFF WILL HANDLE, BUT I STILL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA JUST FOR COUNCIL AND P AND Z TO JUST KIND OF HEAR, YOU KNOW, HOW THE LAW HAS CHANGED RECENTLY, SO YOU'LL KIND OF KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT STAFF IS DOING DIFFERENTLY AND HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT YOUR WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING.
SO HOUSE BILL 22 MADE A LOT OF CHANGES IN CHAPTER 211 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
FOR ONE THING, IT ADDED A DEFINITION OF A PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CHANGE.
AND THAT MEANS IT CAN BE ONE OF THREE THINGS.
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AND THERE HERE I'M JUST GOING TO READ THEM. IT MEANS IT'S A CITY PROPOSAL TO DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, CHANGE AN EXISTING ZONING REGULATION THAT WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF ALLOWING MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND WILL APPLY UNIFORMLY TO EACH PARCEL IN AT LEAST ONE DISTRICT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD CALL A PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CHANGE.SO AS AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GEARING UP TO DO A PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CHANGE UNDER NUMBER TWO.
AND THE LAST THING THAT WOULD QUALIFY WOULD BE A CITY PROPOSAL TO ADOPT A ZONING OVERLAP OR OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF ALLOWING MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAN PREVIOUSLY, AND WILL INCLUDE AN AREA ALONG A MAJOR ROADWAY, HIGHWAY OR TRANSIT CORRIDOR. AND YOU'LL SEE HERE THE LEGISLATURE IS MAKING ADJUSTMENTS IN THE LAW FOR ALLOWING MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, DENSER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUCKLE IN AND GET USED TO IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY.
I THINK THE LEGISLATURE IS JUST KIND OF IMPLEMENTING IT A LITTLE AT A TIME.
CAN I COMMENT ON OR OPINE ON THAT BRIEFLY? SO THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT WE WERE WATCHING REALLY CLOSELY WITH THE LEGISLATURE, PARTICULARLY IN MY MEETINGS WITH THE MAYORS FROM ROCKWALL COUNTY, ROCKWALL COUNTY.
AS YOU KNOW, HAS MANY LARGE TRACTS OF LAND THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED.
AND SPEAKING TO THE MAYORS OVER THERE, THERE IS A DESIRE BY THE RESIDENTS AND CITY LEADERSHIP.
IN FACT, SOME CITY LEADERS CAMPAIGNED ON NO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, NO LOW, NO HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, NONE OF THAT. RIGHT. THEY WANT THESE ONE ACRE LOTS, BIG TRACTS OF LAND FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THEIR HOME AND THEIR THEIR PROPERTY.
AND IT'S CLEAR THAT WHAT'S COMING FROM THE STATE IS IN STARK CONTRAST TO THAT.
THE STATE IS VERY FOCUSED ON MORE DENSITY, BRINGING DOWN THE COST OF HOME VALUES OR NOT HOME VALUES, BUT BRINGING DOWN THE COST OF HOME OWNERSHIP SO THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO BE IN HOMES.
AND RIGHT NOW, AS VICTORIA SAID, IT'S WE'RE BRACKETED OUT OF THAT, BEING THAT OUR CITY IS ONLY ABOUT 70,000 RESIDENTS, IT'S 150,000 OR GREATER. SO REALLY RIGHT NOW IS ONLY IMPACTING THE BIGGER METRO AREAS OR BIGGER CITIES.
BUT ONCE THAT FIRST DOMINO FALLS THAT THE LEGISLATURE MAKES A CHANGE LIKE THAT, IT IS FAR EASIER TO COME BACK IN A FUTURE LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND THEN CHANGE THAT BRACKET, BECAUSE NOW IT'S NOT THIS MASSIVE LEGISLATION ABOUT CHANGING DENSITY REQUIREMENTS, IT'S SIMPLY A MINOR ADJUSTMENT IN TERMS OF THE BRACKETS.
AND SO AS A CITY AND AS CITY LEADERS, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A CLOSE EYE ON THAT.
WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS SUBCOMMITTEE WITH THE COUNCIL THAT WATCHES THIS STUFF.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS FORCING THIS UPON US IN A LOT OF WAYS, PUSHING THIS UPON US, THAT THEY WANT DENSER SUBDIVISIONS, DENSER AREAS, THE ADDITION OF THINGS LIKE MULTIFAMILY.
JUST BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM OUR LEGISLATURE AND WHAT I'VE HEARD, MR. COTY. YEAH. AND I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER DRIVING FORCES OF THAT IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE LOSING AGRICULTURAL LAND.
SO THE WHOLE POINT IS, IF YOU'RE ALLOWING YOUR POPULATION TO SPREAD OUT AND YOU CAN'T GROW FOOD ANYWHERE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FEED THAT POPULATION? SO THERE THEY'RE REALLY, I THINK, TRYING TO FORCE MORE DENSE AREAS TO TRY TO SAVE THAT FOR AGRICULTURE.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE ALL THE ADDITIONAL WATER? YEAH.
MR. WHITE. SO ISN'T THAT UP TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE TO SAY IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN WITH THAT PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE CAN SAY, I WANT HIGH DENSITY, IS IT STILL THE PREROGATIVE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO SAY THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY? WE DON'T WANT THAT TO GO THERE OR SO. SO WHAT THE STATE CAN DO IS PREEMPT LOCAL REGULATION AND MAKE IT SO THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE A CHOICE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT CAN HAPPEN. THE WE ARE DISALLOWED FROM DISAPPROVING A CERTAIN ZONING REGULATION.
NOW, IS THAT ACCURATE STATEMENT, TORI? IT IS.
AND AND WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE'RE NOT. CORRECT.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE STILL BRACKETED OUT OF THIS.
BUT ASSUMING THAT YOU COULD, WE COULD STILL NOT SAY YOU CAN'T DISAVOW FOR HIGH DENSITY.
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BUT JUST THE SAME WAY YOU USE THE EXAMPLE OF THE DAYCARE.TURNING TURNING LANES OR ANY OF THE OTHER ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, YOUR DISAPPROVAL WITH THAT BUILDING OR THAT ESTABLISHMENT THERE? YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THOSE SPECIFICS.
THERE. I THINK EVERYBODY'S KIND OF HIT ALL THE HIGH POINTS THERE, REALLY TRYING TO MAKE HOMEOWNERSHIP MORE AFFORDABLE, TRYING TO PRESERVE AGRICULTURAL LAND AND REALLY PUSH HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL YOU KNOW, TO AND I'LL JUST SAY, IN EVERY PLANNING AND ZONING CITY ATTORNEY WORKSHOP THAT WE'VE BEEN TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HEAR A LOT OF LIKE URBAN PLANNERS AND, AND THAT'S ALL THEY TALK ABOUT.
IS THAT IT? IT'S COMING THERE, YOU KNOW, SAY GOODBYE TO ESTATE LIGHTS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT HIGHER DENSITY IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
AND AND OUR LEGISLATURE MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THAT IS THAT THEY THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT.
BUT ANYWAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S LET'S CONTINUE.
OKAY. SO SO THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CHANGE WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT FOR US? BECAUSE WE ARE BRACKETED OUT. IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE NOTICE.
THE NOTICE REQUIRED FOR PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CHANGE IS VERY SIMPLE.
YOU JUST PUBLISH IT IN THE NEWSPAPER 15 DAYS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH IT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND NOTICES TO PEOPLE IN A 200 FOOT RADIUS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THE ONLY NOTICES YOU DO HAVE TO MAIL ARE TO OWNERS OF PROPERTIES THAT IF THAT ZONING IS GRANTED, THAT REZONING IS GRANTED, THEY WOULD BECOME LEGALLY NONCONFORMING.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON FOR THAT GOAL OF MINIMIZING LEGAL, NONCONFORMING USES THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND I'LL SAY IT SORT OF LIKE IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR, LIKE WITH THE THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE TO USE TO PASS THE TAX RATE, HOW IT DOESN'T REALLY SOMETIMES BEAR A LOT OF RESEMBLANCE TO WHAT OUR RATE REALLY IS.
DOING THAT LANGUAGE IN THE STATUTE ABOUT THE NONCONFORMITY IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
SO WE ALWAYS PUT A A NUMBER THERE FOR THEM TO CALL WITH QUESTIONS.
AND CHRIS DAWSON YEAH, YEAH. THEY'LL FIND IT.
OKAY, SO I'M SORRY, JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO AS AN EXAMPLE. SO IF I OWN A HOME, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN AN AREA THAT GETS THIS COMPREHENSIVE CHANGE FOR MULTI-FAMILY, I'LL GET A NOTICE THAT SAYS I'M LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING IN MY HOME.
YES, YOU WOULD GET THAT THAT NOTICE THAT SAYS IF THIS PASSES, YOU'LL BE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING.
YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO USE IT LIKE THAT. YEAH, BUT IT'LL BE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING.
BUT IN THE CASE WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING LIKE FROM SF FIVE, 679 TO R ONE, WHICH INCLUDED ALL THOSE, THEN YOU WOULD BE LEGALLY CONFORMING? SURE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T SEND YOU AN INDIVIDUAL NOTICE.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO TELL YOU ON THE WEBSITE AND THE NEWSPAPER THAT WE JUST CHANGED THE NAME OF IT, JUST CONDENSED IT. YEAH. AND THEN DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF WHEN IT GETS CHANGED THAT MULTIFAMILY CAN BUILD BY.
RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A COMPREHENSIVE CHANGE IN THE ZONING.
IT IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE ZONING IS CHANGED TO.
NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR OTHER PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES, NOT THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CHANGE, BUT ANY OTHERS. OKAY, AND THAT'S BEFORE THE 15TH DAY BEFORE THE DATE OF THE HEARING.
THEY YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH IT IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ON THE CITY'S OFFICIAL WEBSITE, AND ALSO MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FOOT RADIUS. AND AGAIN TO PROPERTY OWNERS WHOSE PROPERTIES WOULD BECOME LEGAL NONCONFORMING IF THERE ARE ANY.
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SO IT'S THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WHEN IT'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE CHANGE, THEY WE HAVE THESE INDIVIDUAL NOTICES THAT GET MAILED OUT IN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS. AND AND OUR CITY DOES A 500 FOOT.THAT'S JUST A COURTESY. BUT THAT THOSE PEOPLE IN THE 500 WILL FROM 200 TO 500 ARE NOT COUNTED.
IN THE PROTEST CALCULATION FOR PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE, THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE WHOLE CITY.
THE PNC ALSO NOW MUST POST A NOTICE SIGN NOT LATER THAN THE 10TH DAY BEFORE THE DATE OF THE PNC HEARING, AND THAT SIGN HAS TO REMAIN POSTED ON THAT PROPERTY UNTIL AFTER THE COUNCIL CONSIDERS THE MATTER.
NOW THE SIGN HAS TO BE AT LEAST 24IN LONG BY 48IN WIDE.
IT MUST BE SIZE. IT MUST BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S AFFECTED BY THE CHANGE, OR FOR A CHANGE THAT'S INITIATED BY THE CITY THAT MIGHT AFFECT MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. IT CAN BE ON A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE SIGN MUST PROVIDE THE DATE, TIME AND PLACE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO, MR. HALL, OUR OUR SIGNS CURRENTLY ARE 4X4.
CORRECT. I HAVE TO LOOK AT STAFF. YES, THERE ARE 4X4, AND THEY INCLUDE A QR CODE.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SIGN ACTUALLY HAS TO LIST TO BE 24 BY 48? QR CODE IS NOT SUFFICIENT. WE CAN STILL HAVE.
YOU CAN STILL HAVE IT. AND ACTUALLY THIS THAT LAST SENTENCE THAT SAYS THE SIGN MUST PROVIDE DATE, TIME AND PLACE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S JUST VICTORIA BECAUSE ACTUALLY THE STATUTE DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING.
OKAY. ABOUT WHAT THE SIGN HAS ALREADY COMPLIANT WITH THIS FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.
OKAY. BUT YOU'RE 24, 44 FOOT BY FOUR FOOT. REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID.
YEAH. THIS IS IS EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM. SO WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE GOOD.
OUR CURRENT SIGNAGE IS GOOD. VICTORIA, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE FOR THE BENEFIT OF CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION? VICTORIA AND I HAD A CONVERSATION. DEBORAH AND I HAD A CONVERSATION.
MAYBE GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE. WE WHEN WE PUT OUR NOTICES IN FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE USE DALLAS MORNING NEWS BECAUSE THAT'S THE LOCAL CIRCULAR AND THAT'S WHAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY I THINK IN FEBRUARY. IT'S BEEN DESIGNATED.
YEAH, IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE, EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
AND I JUST SAY THAT TO SAY IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
TEN GRAND FOR A SINGLE ONE AND I THINK IS ABOUT ALMOST $500.
OH, 500. OKAY. YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE SOME OTHER CITIES IN DALLAS COUNTY AND THEY USE OTHER PAPERS THAT THEY HAVE FOUND BECAUSE DALLAS MORNING NEWS IS SO EXPENSIVE. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOCAL PUBLICATION HERE IN THE CITY OF ROWLETT.
WHAT, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING PERHAPS A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY MIGHT BE WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE.
DEBBIE, IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT. SOMETHING THAT'S THROWN ON MY SIDEWALK.
EVERY SOURCE. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S. THAT'S ADVERTISEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT POINT UP BECAUSE YOU MAY BE HEARING THAT ITEM IN THE FUTURE THAT I'LL DISCUSS THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND YOU CAN ALSO DESIGNATE MORE THAN ONE OFFICIAL PAPER, ACTUALLY.
OKAY. AND THE LAST THING ABOUT THE SIGN, THE P AND Z, ACTUALLY CAN ELECT TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE, MAINTAIN AND PAY FOR THE SIGN. THAT'S WHAT WE USUALLY DO.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOW. THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.
YEAH. YEAH. SO PROTEST PROCEDURES. FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO PROTEST PROCEDURE FOR A PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CHANGE. NO, NO.
NO PROTEST. YOU CAN STILL COME UP AND HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU CAN STILL EMAIL YOUR COUNCIL OR PNC COMMISSIONERS, BUT THERE'S NO FORMAL PROTEST PROCEDURE.
FOR OTHER ZONING CHANGES. IT HAS TO BE IN WRITING.
IT HAS TO BE SIGNED BY THE OWNERS OF. AND THERE'S THREE OPTIONS HERE.
USUALLY WHEN WE GET A REZONING REQUEST, IT IS BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'LL BE A LARGER AREA AND IT WILL INCLUDE FOLKS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT CHANGE. SO IN THAT CASE, THOSE 20% THAT WERE GOING TO BE COVERED BY THE CHANGE COULD COULD AMOUNT TO A PROTEST.
THE ANOTHER IS EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN THREE, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE.
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AT LEAST 20% OF THE AREA OF THE LOTS ARE LAND THAT ARE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS.AND THEN ANOTHER WAY TO GET THE PROTEST IS 60%.
AT LEAST 60% OF THE LOTS ARE LAND WITHIN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS.
IF THE PROPOSED CHANGE HAS THE EFFECT OF ALLOWING MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND DOESN'T HAVE THE EFFECT OF ALLOWING ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USES UNLESS THE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEY DON'T EXCEED 03,535% OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. SO HERE AGAIN, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS FAVORING THAT MORE DENSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE TO TO SUCCESSFULLY LODGE A PROTEST, IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE EFFECT OF ALLOWING MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND DOESN'T ALLOW MORE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, IT WILL TAKE 60% OF THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS IN ORDER TO TO TRIGGER SUPERMAJORITY AND MORE ON THAT IN JUST A SECOND. SO IN COMPUTING THE PERCENTAGES OF THE LAND, THE NEW LAW MAKES CLEAR THAT THE AREA OF THE STREETS AND ALLEYS ARE INCLUDED IN, IN CALCULATING THE PERCENTAGES, AND THE LAND AREA IS NOT CALCULATED INDIVIDUALLY OR BY TRACT, BUT IN THE AGGREGATE FOR ALL OF THE LAND THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE CHANGE.
NOW HERE'S THE THE PART THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING FOR THE FIRST TWO CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, 20% OF THE OWNERS OF THE ACTUAL LAND THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE CHANGE, OR 20%.
IF IT DOESN'T FALL IN CATEGORY THREE IN OTHER WORDS, DOESN'T MAKE IT MORE DENSE RESIDENTIALLY.
IF YOU GET THAT 20%, THEN IN ORDER FOR THE ZONING TO TAKE EFFECT, THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE MUST RECEIVE THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF AT LEAST THREE FOURTHS OF ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. SO IT TRIGGERS YOUR SUPERMAJORITY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO, RIGHT? BUT IF IT'S IN NUMBER THREE WHERE WE HAD TO GET 60%, THEN IN THAT IN ORDER TO TAKE EFFECT, IT ONLY HAS TO RECEIVE THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF A MAJORITY OF ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING BODY.
SO THAT WOULD BE FOUR OF YOU WOULD BE ALL THAT HAD TO VOTE FOR IT.
SO IT'S IN OTHER WORDS. SO THE PROTEST HAS ALMOST ZERO EFFECT.
IT IT IT REALLY DOES. AND THAT'S I HESITATE TO SAY THAT BUT IT IT REALLY DOES.
IT MAKES IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE ANY EFFECT.
DO YOU KNOW IF THAT IS THAT LANGUAGE SPECIFIC? A MAJORITY OF ALL MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING BODY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S 4/7, EVEN IF THERE'S ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AT A MEETING.
YES. THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT IT DOES ADD A SLIGHTLY HIGHER.
YEAH. IT IS IT IS A LITTLE MUCH. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, JUST A MAJORITY.
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T MOVE TO ANNUL OR INVALIDATE IT BY THE 60TH DAY AFTER IT'S APPROVED.
SO BASICALLY AFTER THAT 60TH DAY, IT'S PRESUMED VALID.
AND THAT'S A BIG HURDLE TO OVERCOME IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CHALLENGE IT.
SO ANYBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THE DEVELOPER THAT DIDN'T LIKE THE DECISION OR THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS THAT DON'T LIKE THE DECISION, NOW, IF IT'S FALLS WITHIN THAT CATEGORY THREE, BASICALLY THEY'VE GOT 60 DAYS, AND AFTER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A PRESUMPTION OF VALIDITY. AND I THREW THIS ONE IN HERE. ALTHOUGH I, I REALLY THINK IT'S KIND OF USELESS. BUT THE THEY HAVE THE LEGISLATURE HAS TAKEN A STEP IN THE DIRECTION OF ALLOWING ELECTRONIC NOTICE.
SO THE CITY CAN ESTABLISH AN ONLINE PORTAL WHERE PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP TO RECEIVE THEIR NOTICES ELECTRONICALLY, WHICH WE HAVE. WE STILL HAVE TO REQUIRE THAT, YOU KNOW, AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT IT.
AND IF THEY DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THE RECEIPT, THEN WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO STILL DELIVER IT IN TIME.
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YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF USELESS, BUT IT'S A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.I THINK THAT'S IT. THAT'S A NICE THOUGHT, BUT I THINK WE ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.
YEAH I AGREE. MAILING NOTICES. YEP. COUNCIL OR COMMISSION? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS THOMAS? I DO HAVE ONE REAL QUICK GOING BACK TO A PLAT AND REPLAT.
WE HAVE TO APPROVE ITS REPLAT REQUESTED BY THE SAME OWNER THAT HAD THE PLAT.
IS IT REQUIRED? BECAUSE WHATEVER ENGINEERING THINGS ARE REQUIRED THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE? YES. IF IT MEETS ALL OF OUR LOCAL REGULATIONS, WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THEIR REPLAT MEETS ALL OUR REGULATIONS.
IT'S JUST A MINISTERIAL FUNCTION EVEN. OH, OKAY.
AND INTERESTINGLY, VICTORIA, OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT A REPLAT BE NOTICED.
YEAH, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT IT BE NOTICED AND THAT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY. RIGHT. BUT IT DOES. IT'S STILL MINISTERIAL APPROVAL.
JUST RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. NOT ONLY FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
IT'S A THANKLESS JOB, AND THERE MIGHT BE TIMES WHERE YOU GET YELLED AT BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
COUNCIL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT. I'M. I'M CHATTING.
I'D LOVE TO CHAT WITH CHAT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT. THE CITY COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED AT 8:22 P.M..
THANKS, EVERYBODY. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. AWESOME.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.