Oct 01, 2025 City Council Meetings

THANKS EVERYBODY. TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 1ST, 2025.

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[2. Citizens’ Input]

AT THIS TIME, COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE AUDIENCE ON ANY TOPIC. NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL DURING CITIZENS INPUT.

DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN INPUT REQUEST FORMS? OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEM, OUR WORK SESSION ITEM THIS EVENING. ITEM THREE A DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON DESIGN OPTIONS

[3.A. Discuss and take action on design options by Architects (Hoefer Welker & Westwood) and CMaR (Swinerton) for the Municipal Complex Project at Herfurth Park.]

WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY OUR CITY MANAGER, DAVID HALL.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BOWERS LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ALISA BOWERS LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE THAT SHE WAS LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE TONIGHT'S MEETING DUE TO SOME PERSONAL COMMITMENTS THAT SHE HAD.

SO SHE IS NOT HERE WITH US THIS EVENING, MR. HALL? THANKS, MAYOR. I CAME UP HERE BECAUSE IT WAS JUST KIND OF ODD TO TRY TO TALK TO ALL OF YOU RESPECTFULLY FROM SITTING OVER THERE.

I WANTED TO SET THE STAGE FOR WHAT WE'RE HERE DOING TONIGHT.

AND WE'RE AT A VERY CRITICAL POINT WITH THIS PROJECT.

HERETOFORE, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS. YOU'VE GIVEN US SIGNIFICANT INPUT ON THE ALIGNMENT OF THE SITE ITSELF.

BUT WE'RE AT A STAGE WHERE THE CHOICES YOU MAKE WILL INFORM BOTH BUDGET AND DESIGN IMPACTS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO START IN A VERY MACRO FASHION, REALLY HIGH LEVEL.

AND THERE ARE REALLY TWO DESIGN OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO.

ONE HAS A ROUNDABOUT IN IT. THE OTHER FOUR WAY STOP.

WE'VE ALSO GIVEN YOU SOME OTHER DESIGN OPTIONS WITHIN EACH OF THOSE PATHWAYS.

BUT FIRSTLY, WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO CHOOSE WHICH OF THOSE PATHS YOU WANT TO GO DOWN.

ROUNDABOUT FOUR WAY STOP. THERE'S SOME OTHER ELEMENTS THAT YOU MAY SEE, BUT THOSE ARE REALLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES.

ONCE YOU CHOOSE THAT, THEN YOU GET TO A BIT MORE MICRO DISCUSSION, AND THERE ARE FOUR OPTIONS CONTAINED WITHIN EACH OF THOSE RESPECTIVE CHOICES.

AND SO IF YOU CHOOSE THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU'VE GOT FOUR CHOICES THERE. IF YOU CHOOSE THE FOUR WAY STOP, THERE ARE FOUR OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THERE. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THOSE HAVE SOME IMPACTS WITH RESPECT TO THE DESIGN.

AND OF COURSE THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TEAM ARE HERE AND THEY WILL TALK YOU THROUGH THOSE THINGS.

ONCE YOU CHOOSE WHICH OF THOSE YOU LIKE, THEN YOU'LL BEGIN ANOTHER DESIGN EXERCISE LED BY H.W..

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF PLACEMENT OF OPTIONS OR ALIGNMENT OF THE, THE AMENITIES AS YOU WANT THEM TO BE PLACED.

AND THEY'VE GOT LITTLE CUTOUTS HERE, WHICH ARE TO SCALE THAT YOU WILL, AS A GROUP, PLACE TO OPTIMIZE THE USE OF THE PARK.

WE'LL ALSO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OPTIONS. THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT MAY NOT BE HERE THAT WERE PRESENTED FROM SOME OF YOUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

AND WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THOSE. AT THE END OF IT ALL, WHAT WE HOPE TO GET FROM YOU IS KIND OF A GENERAL SITE LAYOUT.

OUT AND PRIORITIZATION OF OPTIONS. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET OF THIS THING JUST VERY BRIEFLY, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO FOCUS IN ON THE MONEY JUST YET. WE'VE GOT THE FUNDING AVAILABLE.

WE'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE FUNDING BEFORE. BUT WE'VE DONE SOME THINGS TO ENHANCE AVAILABLE RESOURCES.

AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS WHEN YOU START THESE DESIGN PROJECTS, YOU'VE GOT A REALLY LARGE CONTINGENCY.

AND WE'VE ASKED THE TEAM TO REDUCE THAT CONTINGENCY JUST A LITTLE BIT TO ALLOW YOU SOME, SOME ROOM TO HAVE THESE OPTIONS.

AND SO WE'VE DONE THAT. AND AS THIS PROJECT PROCEEDS ALONG, THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR REDUCTIONS IN THAT CONTINGENCY.

AND THUS THINGS THAT MAYBE DON'T MAKE THIS CUT CAN BE ADDED IN LATER ON.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING IN ON YOUR CHOICES AND THE PRIORITIZATION OF THOSE CHOICES AS MUCH AS COST AND THOSE THINGS.

NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, SWINERTON CHRIS FROM SWINERTON WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE RESPECTIVE COSTS ARE FOR THE OPTIONS THAT YOU SELECT OR ARE INTERESTED IN.

SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS STAGE, AND WE'LL TURN IT OVER. I THINK, JAMES, YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP AND LEAD THIS EXERCISE FOR US THROUGH OPTIONS ONE AND TWO, RIGHT? SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR ME, WE'LL TURN OVER JAMES BEERS WITH H.W.. I WANT TO BRING STEVE AND I ARE GOING TO GET TOGETHER.

THANK YOU DAVID. THANK YOU SIR. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

MAYOR RATS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND YOU ALL BEING HERE IN NEW COUNCIL COUNCILMAN.

AND SORRY SHE CAN'T MAKE IT HERE TODAY AT LEAST.

RIGHT? THE LICENSE PLATE SAYS ELISE. SO, AS DAVID SAID, VERY WIDE.

I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO, I WANT TO JUST PIGGYBACK ON WHAT DAVID SAID. EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT MAKE THE CUT, IT'LL ALWAYS BE EFFECTIVELY AN ALTERNATE. SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT YET TODAY. SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST EXPLAIN OPTION ONE AND THEN WHAT THE VARIATIONS ARE.

SO IF WE COULD PULL UP ONE A, B, C AND D. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO IS SHOW YOU THE OPTIONS AND VARIANTS.

BUT LET'S JUST TALK HIGH LEVEL CITY HALL AND EXISTING CHAMBERS OUT TOWARDS MAIN STREET.

JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR. NORTH IS THIS WAY. OKAY.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR PARK. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ANIMAL SHELTER.

PUBLIC SAFETY WITH THE ACID SUPPORT. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, STEVE AND I ARE BOTH TALKING ON OPTION ONE.

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SO THE COMMON THREAD OF ALL THIS IS THAT THE RETENTION AREA THE DETENTION AREA ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO THIS IS JUST THE DOTTED AREA. THAT IS WHERE THE WATER THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LAND IS HERE.

ONE OF THE CONCEPTS EARLY ON WE HAD TO SPLIT POND AND THE BRIDGE THAT SUBSEQUENTLY COME OUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT SWINERTON IS DOING A GREAT JOB ON THE PRICING. SO YOU'LL SEE THE SAME KIND OF COMPONENT HERE AND THE SAME.

SO EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT FOR THE FOUR WAY STOP AND THE ROUNDABOUT ARE HERE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO. SO THAT ESTABLISHES EFFECTIVELY A BASELINE.

AND THEN FROM THAT BASELINE WE MODIFY WITH THE OPTIONS THAT COME NEXT.

SO TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT DAVID SAID SO WELL ONCE THESE ARE STACKED AT THE SAME OPTIONS.

SO WE HAVE OPTION ONE. OPTION TWO ONCE YOU GUYS DIRECT US TO THAT OPTION.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION DAVID, IF YOU WANT TO PULL VERSUS A ROUNDABOUT VERSUS A FOUR WAY STOP.

YEAH, I LIKE TO PAUSE HERE AND LET THE COUNCIL GIVE US FEEDBACK.

OR IF THEY WANT TO GO UP AND LOOK, SOME PEOPLE MAY BE MORE TACTILE AND WANT TO TOUCH THE DOCUMENT, BUT THIS IS TWICE AS BIG AS THAT. SO YOU REALLY NEED TO KIND OF SEE HOW THINGS MOVE.

SO SO LET'S LET'S ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE.

YEAH OKAY. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER OKAY. YEAH.

I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. SO JUST FROM A TRAFFIC MOVEMENT POINT OF VIEW IN A, IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS IS A ROUNDABOUT, A MORE EFFICIENT OR LESS EFFICIENT IT'S IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY EFFICIENCY.

WELL, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY EFFICIENT.

PROBABLY SO. SO BECAUSE WE'VE GOT POLICE COMING, YOU KNOW, A LOT GOING ON THERE AND I JUST I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO KNOW.

SO YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH ROUNDABOUTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEVERAL WE HAVE ROUNDABOUTS. SO WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS TRAFFIC TO CONTINUE TO FLOW.

SO IN TERMS OF PEOPLE MOVING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, IT'S A LOT QUICKER FOR THEM TO DO IT.

IT DOES REPRESENT SOME RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW TO YIELD TO SOMEBODY AND WHICH LANE TO BE IN, ETC. SO FAMILIARITY IS GREAT FOR THAT. WHEN YOU GET SOMEBODY WHO'S UNFAMILIAR WITH A ROUNDABOUT AND HOW TO NEGOTIATE IT.

SOMETIMES IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT TRICKY. SO IT DOES ALLOW CONTINUOUS FLOW OF TRAFFIC.

THE COMPLAINT THAT WE HEARD WAS THAT SOME PEOPLE FELT THAT PEDESTRIANS WEREN'T FAVORED IN THE ROUNDABOUT.

AND IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN EFFICIENCY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FOUR WAY STOP AND A ROUNDABOUT IN THAT SENSE, BUT THERE'S PERCEIVED DIFFERENCE THAT'S THERE.

AND IT COULD BE THAT WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT TO DO THE SAME WITH THE ROUNDABOUT IS CREATE TRAFFIC CALMING SO THAT THERE'S ROUGH PAVING THERE THAT SOMEONE'S PULLING UP TO IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TENDENCY TO WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEDESTRIANS TO ENGAGE IN THAT SPACE.

THAT'S A TYPICAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERS SOLUTION TO TRYING TO DO THAT FOUR WAY STOP.

WE MAY WANT TO DO THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A STOP SIGN THERE, PEOPLE TEND TO RUN THEM.

AND SO BY HAVING SOMETHING THERE THAT'S AN OBJECT IN THE, IN THE GROUND WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I GOTTA SLOW DOWN. LET ME INTERJECT NO DISRESPECT, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S YEAH, PEOPLE DO TEND TO RUN STOP SIGNS, BUT THERE IS IN FRONT OF A POLICE. RIGHT. BUT BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE TOO, YOU KNOW, TOO COMPELLING. BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A YIELD AND A STOP. RIGHT. SO, SO I THINK IF YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION OBJECTIVELY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A SLOWER, A CALMER TRAFFIC FLOW WITH A FOUR WAY STOP THAN YOU WOULD WITH A ROUNDABOUT.

AND SO THERE IS SOME PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENT WITH THE FOUR WAY STOP.

I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE TO SAY THAT.

I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT OBJECTIVE WHEN YOU RECOGNIZE THAT.

I THINK THE OTHER THING I THINK WE NEED TO BE FAIR TO REPRESENT THE PARKS BOARD SPOKE AGAINST THE ROUNDABOUT.

OKAY. THEY FELT AS IF IT MADE IT MORE OF A ROAD THOROUGHFARE, IF YOU WILL, THAN A PARK.

AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE, YOU KNOW, PROPER RESPECT TO THEIR INPUT WITH RESPECT TO THAT BECAUSE YOU DID ASK THAT QUESTION.

OKAY. YEAH. NO, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. MR. BRITTON. YEAH. I HAD ONE QUESTION.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO COST, BUT JUST JUST FOR THE HIGH LEVEL, IS THERE A COST DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN A ROUNDABOUT AND A FOUR WAY.

YEAH THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NO, IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT.

IT'S ABOUT $117,000 DIFFERENCE. CHRIS, WOULD YOU DO YOU DO ME A FAVOR.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE? SORRY.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ONE MORE THING. MAKE SURE WE GOT. WE GOT CODY IN THE BACK.

CODY. AND WE HAVE DOROTHY WHITMIRE FROM WESTWOOD WHO HAS HELPED FACILITATE THIS TOO.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THIS IN A MINUTE TO CIVIL ENGINEERING. CIVIL ENGINEERING LANDSCAPE. I'M ASSUMING ROUNDABOUTS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE. YEAH, I WAS MORE SO ABOUT 100 MORE. YEAH. AND NO, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY SORT OF FEATURE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUNDABOUT MONUMENT FEATURE OR ART FEATURE OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

OKAY, THANKS. I THINK IT DOESN'T. IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW THAT'S JUST THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

YEAH. JUST FROM A JUST FROM A COST STANDPOINT. YEAH.

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YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ME REALLY LEAN TOWARD A ROUNDABOUT IS JUST THE EXPECTED TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.

CONSIDERING THAT COIL SITS HERE TO THE WEST? YES, TO THE WEST, TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE PHOTO.

AND THAT'S LLANO STREET THAT'S COMING UP INTO THE ROUNDABOUT.

NOW, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TON OF TRAFFIC TRAVERSING THAT DIRECTION.

BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THERE WON'T BE A TON OF TRAFFIC GOING THAT DIRECTION.

AND ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK TIMES, THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.

BUT $170,000 IS A PRETTY, PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE IN MY MIND.

SO. WELL, AND I THINK CITY MANAGER HALL SAID ABOUT I MEAN, PART OF OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO HAVE THIS VERY ACTIVATED WITH PEDESTRIAN TYPE TRAFFIC. I MEAN, THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY AN OBJECTIVE.

AND SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, I COULD SEE THAT.

YEAH, MAYBE THE FOUR WAY STOP FACILITATES THAT A LOT BETTER WITH THAT, THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE EXPECTING, BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, PROMOTING. SO YEAH.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT. CAN I INTERJECT? AND SO YOU HAVE A YIELD ON A ROUNDABOUT, YOU HAVE A STOP ON A FOUR WAY.

SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT PERCEPTION, RIGHT. SO THE CALMING PIECE, JUST TO BE CLEAR TO DAVID'S POINT, THEY'RE STILL MOVING THROUGH IT, BUT THE SPEED GETTING INTO IT IS REDUCED.

RIGHT. SO AND WITH THE SPEED LIMIT GOING TO BE ON THAT ROAD SORRY.

WHAT'S THE SPEED LIMIT GOING TO BE ON THAT ROAD. I THINK 30 MILE AN HOUR IS THE GOAL. OKAY, WE'RE COMING 30 MILES AN HOUR, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE OVER PROBABLY 15 GOING THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT. YEAH. IT'S LIKE A SCHOOL ZONE, YOUR DISTANCE AND STOPPING.

IF YOU HAD TO SEE SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO BE WAY SHORTER. SO I MEAN I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE SPEEDS IS GOING TO BE THAT THAT BAD.

I THINK IT BRINGS GOOD VISUAL EFFECT FOR US. WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE WE'RE YOU KNOW TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE LOWEST BUDGET IN THE WORLD THAT WE DON'T HAVE, AND WE HAVE A BUDGET TO LOOK THINGS GOOD.

WE WANT OUR CITIZENS TO BE PROUD OF WHAT'S DOWN THERE AND NOT BE ASHAMED OF THEIR SEEING.

SO I'M. I'M OFF THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN I'LL ADD IN SUPPORT OF MARVINS POINT OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

JUST WHEN I WHEN WE WENT UP AND LOOKED THE FOUR WAY STOP TO WHAT MY MAN SAID UP HERE EARLIER, YOU CAN RUN THROUGH A STOP SIGN AND HAVE MORE CAR ACCIDENTS. SO THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, RIGHT? WE CAN HAVE MORE AUTOMOTIVE COLLISIONS POTENTIALLY IN THAT SPACE, WHICH WE WOULDN'T WANT TO. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT PEDESTRIANS, BUT ALSO OUR CITIZENS CARS AS WELL.

AND I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO THAT. WHEN YOU GOT A FOUR WAY STOP LIKE THAT, YOU GOT SIGHT DISTANCE.

SO SOMEBODY WILL BE LOOKING AHEAD. CAN I RUN THE STOP SIGN AND TRY TO RUN IT? AND THEY MAY NOT SEE THE PEDESTRIAN WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO RUN IT. WHEN THE PEDESTRIAN SPEEDS ARE SLOWING AS YOU'RE ENTERING BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. IF YOU TRY TO DO 30 MILES AN HOUR AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON THE OUTSIDE AND GOING IN THE GRASS.

WELL, WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH IT JUST IN OUR DOWNTOWN ROUNDABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ALL OF US TRAVERSE THAT PRETTY REGULARLY.

IT'S CALMING, KIND OF HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THAT IS GOING TO BE LIKE ONLY ON FOUR SIDES, MORE THAN JUST THE ONE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

REALLY. MR. REESE, I LIKE THE ROUNDABOUT. I JUST THINK THE LOOK IS BETTER.

BUT THIS IS A 40 YEAR DECISION. $100,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT 40 YEARS YOU KNOW WHAT THAT ACTUAL COST IS? IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SPREAD IT OUT OVER THAT TIME.

AND I JUST THINK IF YOU HAVE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PARK AND YOU'VE GOT THESE STOP SIGNS RIGHT THERE, IT'S NOT AS NICE LOOKING AS A ROUNDABOUT. MORE SIGN CLUTTER, ETC., ETC..

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I HEARD ROUNDABOUT.

ROUNDABOUT. I CAN GO ROUND ABOUT I CAN GO ROUNDABOUT.

I'M FINE WITH ROUNDABOUT. I WAS JUST I WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHAT THE COST DIFFERENCE WAS. LET'S FORGE AHEAD. YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN, IF YOU MIND, JUST SO WE CAN ESTABLISH THIS OPTION FOR A SECOND.

SO WITH THE ROUNDABOUT. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR OPTION ONE IS OUR PREFERRED CHOICE I MOVE THAT OPTION ONE BE OUR FIRST.

SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT OPTION OR THAT MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR BY A SHOW OF HANDS. AWESOME. CONGRATULATIONS.

WHOSE STATUE IS GOING TO GO IN THE MIDDLE? I KNEW SOMEONE WAS GOING TO SAY THAT, SO HOLD ON A MINUTE.

I'M KIDDING. SORRY. CAN WE THEN GO AHEAD AND PULL UP ONE A, B, C, AND D.

THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS. SO YOU ALL SEE HOW.

AND LET'S BE ALSO CLEAR BECAUSE DAVID MADE A GREAT POINT.

ALL THE AMENITIES YOU SEE HERE ARE ON THE TABLE FROM PREVIOUS.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT. EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON ON OPTION TWO IS ALSO PART OF THE AMENITIES HERE IN OPTION ONE.

IT'S JUST THE CONFIGURATION OF HOW WE GET TO POINT A TO POINT B.

SO WHAT WE WHAT WE DID HERE, AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE THE KIND OF THE NOTES IN FRONT OF YOU AND I'LL KEEP VERY HIGH LEVEL EFFICIENT IS WE TOOK THE KIND OF THE HIGH LEVEL

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JUST THIS IS THE AMENITIES. THREE TENNIS COURTS, PICKLEBALL COURTS.

WE HAVE OUR BASKETBALL AND WE HAVE OUR OUR INFORMAL SOCCER FIELD WHICH IS HERE.

SO PICKLEBALL, INFORMAL SOCCER FIELD, TENNIS AND BASKETBALL.

SO SHOW US WHERE THE DOG PARK IS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A QUESTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO IN ALL OF THE IMAGES.

CORRECT. SO YEAH I DIDN'T GET THERE YET. SO THE NEXT THING IS IS THAT IN THE BASE IMAGES THE DOG PARK IN CONNECTION TO THE POND IS IN THE SAME LOCATION.

IT'S JUST HOW DO WE TREAT THE AMENITIES TO ADDRESS THE DOG PARK IS HOW WE KIND OF NAVIGATE THROUGH THE OPTIONS.

IS THAT OKAY? MAYOR. ABSOLUTELY. SO SO, YES. SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE, WHAT YOU SEE IN SKETCH FORMAT IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN HARD LINE FORMAT.

AND IT'S ACTUAL LIKE REAL READY FOR SCALE. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST THE KIND OF NON PLAY STATIC COMPONENTS.

AGAIN CITY HALL PARKING ANIMAL SHELTER PUBLIC SAFETY AND ASSET SUPPORT.

JUST TO NOTE. SO WE'RE CLEAR HERE, THESE PRIOR OPTIONS ARE NOT AS DEVELOPED AS OUR CONNECTION WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

AS FAR AS WEST VIEW WHAT WE NEED HERE. SO THAT'S A SUPPORT FOR THE FACILITY.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. ANY QUESTIONS ON ONE. YEAH. WHAT DOES ASSET SUPPORT WAS IT. WHAT'S THAT. WHAT'S THAT. ASSET SUPPORT.

SO SO IT'S YOUR CHIEF I'LL JUST SPEAK FOR YOU.

SO IT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S BASICALLY SUPPORTED FACILITY FROM THE TRUCKS, THE COMMAND VEHICLES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE FROM A FITNESS STANDPOINT THAT'S OUT IN THAT SPACE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE PROGRAMING OF THE ASSETS FOR ABOUT 7000FT.

I CAN PULL THE PROGRAM UP AND SHOW YOU SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S IN THAT FACILITY AS WELL TOO.

WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT TODAY THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN AND WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.

BUT THIS WOULD TAKE THAT EXERCISE WAY INTO A DIRECTION.

WE'LL LOSE. WE'LL LOSE. AND IT'S IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, WE'LL WE CAN SIT DOWN.

I'LL SHOW YOU GLADLY OFFLINE. BUT PLEASE KNOW THIS, COUNCIL.

AND IF I WASN'T CLEAR. MY APOLOGIES. YOU ARE BY NO MEANS DONE LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT.

AND WE'RE MACRO NOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THESE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS THAT SOME OF YOU WANT.

WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET. AND SO IF WE GO TOO FAR INTO THAT NOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US OFF OUR FOCUS OF GETTING SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU TO GET THERE.

WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT ALL THE PROGRAMING YOU SEE HERE, WE'RE TALKING HIGH LEVEL BOX? WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY WITH ALL THE APPROVAL AND INPUT FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE DISCUSSED ONCE WE GET PAST THE SITE INSPECTIONS. I MEAN, PART OF THE LET ME GIVE YOU PART OF A CONVERSATION JUST TO TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT DONE.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ADMINISTRATION IS NOT GOING TO BE IN THE COMPLEX ANYMORE.

RIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS CLEAR. SINCE HE'S IN THE ROOM, THE FIRE CHIEF WAS NOT FORCED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

HE CHOSE TO. IT HAS HAD A BENEFICIAL IMPACT TO THE PROJECT, BUT HE'S GOING FROM BEING BASICALLY A COUSIN VISITING HIS COUSIN'S HOUSE 5000FT² OUT OF, WHAT, 50 OR 40,000 TO TO 10,000.

WHEN WE'RE DONE AND WE REPURPOSE OUR BUILDING IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE'LL GET INTO, BUT TO GO INTO THAT NOW WOULD KIND OF DERAIL THE LARGER CONVERSATION THAT WE REALLY NEED YOUR INPUT ON TODAY, WHICH IS HOW DO YOU LAY OUT YOUR PARK? HOW DO YOU LAY OUT YOUR CAMPUS? WHAT ELEMENTS ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU? DID WE PLACE THE BUILDINGS? WE PLACED THEM WHERE YOU TOLD US. ARE YOU STILL HAPPY WITH THAT? RIGHT.

WHAT'S HAPPENING INSIDE THE BUILDINGS? WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU.

MOST ASSUREDLY, JUST PREFERABLY NOT TODAY. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO.

IS THAT. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

IT'S JUST THIS IS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS. WE'RE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO GET INTO THAT WITH YOU.

JUST NOT TODAY IF THAT'S OKAY. PERFECT. OKAY.

SO LET'S GO. THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON ON ONE A YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS KIND OF BUILD AS WE GO.

AND DAVID ONE OTHER POINT. THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT TO COME UP WITH THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS. THERE'S SOME COMMON THREADS HERE? SO YOU'LL SEE SOME QUANTITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT. QUANTITY. THINK ABOUT THE ACTUAL ITEM, NOT THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW JUST TO BE REALLY CLEAR BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT TOGETHER MOMENTARILY. SO WE HAVE THREE TENNIS BALLS.

AGAIN NOW WE'RE REARRANGING WHERE THESE ARE AND WHAT HAPPENS AROUND THEM.

YEAH. HOW DO WE KIND OF NAVIGATE THE COURSE. AND I THINK DOROTHY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB KIND OF WORKING WITH WHAT THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE AND CODY WITH STEVE, OUR TEAM TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT HOW THIS IS HAPPENING.

ONE OTHER REALLY IMPORTANT POINT IN THE FEEDBACK.

WE ORIGINALLY WHEN YOU ALL SAW THIS, ORIGINALLY WE HAD A CENTER SPINE THAT IS DOTTED THAT SHOWED THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE OPTION,

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THIS LINE RIGHT HERE IS JUST DOTTED IN. KNOW THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS DOTTED LINE IS.

YEAH I UNDERSTAND. REPEAT THAT I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND IT STILL.

YEAH. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST. YEAH. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NOT.

YEAH. IT'S BY US. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. WE'RE DOING IT THOUGH.

IT'S GOING TO BE THERE, RIGHT? RIGHT. UNLESS ANY UNLESS COUNCIL TELLS US OTHERWISE, WHICH THEY COULD.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. IT'S NOT. YEAH.

IT'S THERE. JUST NOT BY JUST NOT BY. RIGHT. UNLESS YOU TELL US YOU DON'T WANT IT.

IT'S JUST A CONCRETE SIDEWALK. RIGHT? RIGHT NOW.

YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH, I GUESS I SAID THAT WRONG.

YEAH, I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT'S IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN PUT ON TO PARKS SCOPE.

WE'RE JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT YOU SEE IN HARD LINE IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. GOT IT. IS THAT A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT? SURE.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE. OKAY. SO AS WE GO THROUGH STEVE DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH OPTION THREE.

SO RECAPPING HERE WE GOT NOW A POND WAS INTRODUCED AS AN OPTION AT MAIN STREET.

CORRECT. THESE FIVE STAGE STRUCTURE I'M NOT GOING TO POINT TO ALL OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE SCATTERED HERE IN THESE BOXES THAT ARE KIND OF SCATTERED AROUND BECAUSE IT WAS FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT. DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO QUANTITY.

WE HAVE OUR PAVILIONS THAT ARE THESE BIGGER X'S THAT ARE PUT AT KEY SPOTS THAT CAN HELP COLLECT PEOPLE AND KIND OF USE THEM.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR TURF IN THE KENNELS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT CAME BACK FROM ANIMAL SHELTER.

YEAH. AND THEN AGAIN, BENCHES AND SHADE IN THE KENNEL.

YOU DON'T SEE IT. IT'S VERY GRANULAR, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THIS OPTION. WE'RE NOT GOING THAT DEEP TODAY EITHER.

OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT A WALKING PATH IN THE IN THE OTHER OPTION IS NOT IN OPTION ONE A RIGHT.

THERE'S A WALKING PATH THAT GOES THROUGH. AND THE REASON IT'S CIRCUITOUS OR IN A SNAKE LIKE IS IT GIVES YOU MORE LANES.

RIGHT, RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS. YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A CHANCE.

OKAY SO CONTINUING STEVE. SO OPTION C SAME SAME LIST RIGHT.

SAME SIMILAR LIST. THREE TENNIS COURTS SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS INFORMAL SOCCER.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THE SOCCER FIELD, THERE'S NO LINES THAT WE'RE PUTTING DOWN THERE.

IT'S A SPACE THAT WE'RE CREATING SO THAT PEOPLE CAN PLAY SOCCER AND GO ABOUT HOWEVER THEY WANT.

SO IT'S JUST IT'S A WAY OF SORT OF ESTABLISHING SCALE IN THE OPEN SPACE.

NOT THAT WE ACTUALLY INTEND TO PUT THE LINES DOWN AND BUILD A FIELD LIKE THAT.

TWO BASKETBALL COURTS, THE POND AND MAIN STREET AGAIN, WHICH HAPPENS THERE, WHICH ACTS AS SORT OF A FRONTISPIECE FOR CITY HALL WHEN YOU SEE IT FROM MAIN SEVEN SHADE STRUCTURES. WE'VE GOT FOUR PLAY AREAS WITH A WATER ELEMENT.

AND THOSE PLAY AREAS ARE SORT OF ABSTRACT ELEMENTS THAT THE KIDS CAN CLIMB ON AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND SO THEY'RE THEY SORT OF THEY'RE MORE ARTFUL RATHER THAN A PLASTIC JUNGLE GYM THING.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE SORT OF MORE, MORE ARTFULLY PLACED AND THEY'RE CLIMBING OBSTACLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

TO GIVE THE KIDS SOMETHING TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE THEM ACTIVITY SPACE, THREE PAVILIONS, A TRAIL AROUND THE POND, MONUMENT SIGNAGE, ARTIFICIAL TURF AND THE KENNELS, WHICH IS ANOTHER OPTION THAT WAS BAKED INTO THIS BENCHES WITH SHADE AT THE KENNEL AREA. THE PLAY ITEMS IN THE KENNEL AREA IN A LARGE DOG PLAY AREA.

SO WHEN YOU SAY KENNEL AREA, YOU'RE TALKING AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, NOT.

YES, YES. SO THE DOG PARK IF IF YOU WANT TO, THERE'S A LARGE DOG AND A SMALL DOG SORT OF SECTION TO THAT SO THAT THEY'RE SEGREGATED.

SO THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE THAT DIVIDED LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHY. OKAY. SO WHAT. JUST TO TOUCH ON ONE THING REAL QUICK.

YOU'VE GOT ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE KENNEL AREAS THAT'S AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, RIGHT.

FOR ME THAT THAT HAPPENS NO MATTER WHAT IN ANY OF THESE OPTIONS, WE NEED THE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE KENNEL AREAS, THE ANIMAL SHELTER. AND THAT WILL WILL INDICATE HERE. AND WE'LL PUT THAT IN WITH HIM IN A MINUTE. BUT YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS A MUST HAVE. YEAH. THAT'S GOT TO BE A MUST HAVE. UNDERSTAND I KNOW IT'S NOT IN IT'S IN EVERY BUDGET.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE SHADE AREAS IN THE ANIMAL SHELTER OR.

YEAH THE KENNEL AREA AS WELL. COOL FEATURE. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS, WHERE THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE BENCHES. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE THAT DEEP RIGHT NOW. BUT YES. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. KEEP THEM ON TRACK FOR US.

OPTION 1D. WHICH AGAIN? TENNIS COURTS. PICKLEBALL.

INFORMAL. SOCCER. BASKETBALL COURTS. SO SIMILAR SORT OF COUNT AS WHAT YOU SAW IN THE LAST OPTION FOR PLAY AREAS WITH WATER.

ELEMENT FIVE PAVILIONS. THE TRAIL AROUND THE POND.

MONUMENT SIGNAGE. WILD POLLINATED SEED AREA THAT THAT SHOWS UP.

THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM PARKS DESTINATION TRAIL WITH MILE MARKERS.

SO THE TRAIL CHANGES A BIT HERE IN SHAPE IN TERMS OF HOW IT WORKS.

AND WE ADD MILE MARKERS TO IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GAUGE HOW FAR THEY'RE GOING.

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I THINK THE ONLY REAL CAVEAT HERE IS THAT IT'S KIND OF THE CREATIVE JUICES THAT FLOW WHEN TEAMS GET TOGETHER.

AND DOROTHY, TO HER CREDIT, A LOT OF THAT MANEUVERING ALSO INCLUDES THE PAVILION IN THE DOG PARK, JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHERE THAT NEXT. SO THAT'S A VARIATION.

THESE ARE THOSE SHAPED STRUCTURES ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

WE SEE NOW THIS KIND OF QUANTITY INCREASE FROM HERE TO HERE.

AGAIN QUANTITIES ARE SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE RESULT. AND THE PATH DOES CHANGE.

ESPECIALLY THE WATER FEATURE COMPONENT I THINK DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF IDENTIFYING HOW THIS HAPPENS.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE SENSITIVE TO WHERE THE BEAK ON IT ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE SEPARATED. BUT DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. IT'S MORE JUST THE FORM CHANGES FOR THE WALKWAY FROM OPTION ONE C TO 1D. AND THE C TO DO YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE ON THE ENHANCED WALKING TRAIL WITH. IS THAT A HALF MILE? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ANY ANY MARKER, ANY DISTANCE THAT YOU TRACKED.

WE WERE DRIVING IN BETWEEN A HALF MILE AND A MILE.

WE DIDN'T GET TO A MILE, BUT I'M NOT SURE. BUT OVER HALF MILE ANYWAY.

DID WE GET TO A MILE ON THE OTHER ONE? NO. SO IF THAT'S A PRIORITY, WE CAN.

NO, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF CURIOSITY. JUST A QUESTION.

A COOL THING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. DENNIS, BEFORE AROUND OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES IS IT'S FOUR TENTS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

THREE LAPS IS YOUR MILE. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF MONITOR THAT AND MAKE THE SIGNAGE APPROPRIATE SO THAT IT'S ENGAGING.

BUT THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S INTO THE WEEDS. BUT RIGHT NOW KNOWING THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE THINKING ABOUT. YEAH. SOMETHING COOL, YOU KNOW.

YEAH I ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDENTITY CRISIS WITH WHAT WE WANT THIS PARK TO BE, BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO MAKE IT A PLAY AREA WITH ENGAGING THINGS.

IT'S KIND OF A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE WHERE WE'VE GOT PICKLEBALL, TENNIS, BASKETBALL, ETC. BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO INCORPORATE A TRAIL WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, IN MY MIND, QUIET, SOLITUDE TYPE THING.

BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT WILDFLOWERS AND POLLINATORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH REALLY DOES NOT SEEM CONGRUENT WITH PLAY AREAS AND I MEAN THOSE THINGS TO ME.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WITH THIS PARK, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT MAKES IT LOOK CONFUSION CONFUSING IS YOU'RE SEEING A BUCKET LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME TO US AS REQUESTS FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES. SO WE'RE TRYING TO REPRESENT THAT. BUT AT THE END OF THIS EXERCISE, WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS EDIT DOWN TO WHAT WE WANT THE PARK TO BE.

SO MAYBE I SAY THAT JUST AS MUCH FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT HERE IS IS THIS PARK DOESN'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY.

IT CAN BE MORE SELECTIVE THAN THAT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OTHER PARK AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE INCORPORATED A TREMENDOUSLY LARGE WALKING TRAIL THAT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM WHERE THIS IS WITH PECAN GROVE. AND SOME OF THE OTHER FEATURES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE INCORPORATED IN OTHER PARKS.

SO THIS PARK DOESN'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT I THINK IT'S TRYING TO DO IN OPTION D RIGHT NOW.

SO, MAYOR, CAN I ASK YOU JUST A QUESTION FOR THE GROUP THEN? SO LIKE LIKE STEVE SAID, WELL, WAS WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE THIS BE A LISTENING EXERCISE.

SO WE APPROACH THIS OBJECTIVELY. THERE IS NO WE'RE NOT LEANING TOWARDS ANYTHING.

THERE'S NO STEERING, THERE'S NO MOVEMENT. IT'S JUST BY THE WAY.

AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE POLLINATOR PIECE. WELL, ONCE WE GET THE ADJACENCIES WE WORK HERE, WE CAN THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT. SO IT'S NOT THIS HIEROGLYPHICS OF WHAT WE DID.

THIS IS JUST IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO MAKE SURE WE HEARD YOU.

ALL RIGHT. PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKERS.

AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE CAN DEPART FROM AND KIND OF START WORKING HERE SO WE CAN PUT THINGS IN OR OUT.

IT'S IT'S STILL PLAYING. IT'S STILL A MOLDABLE PIECE OF OBJECT FOR YOU.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET FROM OUR DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND PARTNERS AND EVERYTHING. I MEAN, THAT'S IT IS TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL TO KIND OF SEE THE WANTS AND DESIRES OF ALL THAT LAID OUT, BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP INFORM FUTURE DECISIONS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING FURTHER PARKS IN THE FUTURE, AS OPPOSED TO JUST THIS PARK TODAY.

SO IS THE IDEA WHAT IS OUR BEST APPROACH HERE? IS IT TO GO UP AND START PLAYING WITH WHERE THINGS ARE LOCATED, OR IS IT REALLY TO TRY TO HIT OUR PUNCH? FIRST OF ESTABLISH FOCUS, WHERE WE START SAY IS IT A, B, C OR D? WHERE IS WHERE IS EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION GOING TO? AND THEN WE CAN ALTER THAT AND ADD OR SUBTRACT ELEMENTS FROM IT BASED ON FURTHER CONVERSATION AND THE WAY WE TALK.

JUST TO ADD TO THAT WAS ONCE WE PICK AN OPTION, WE'LL TAKE THE PIECES THAT ARE ASSEMBLED AND WE'LL KIND OF PUT THEM HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO SIT BACK AND WATCH US TALK, AND YOU'RE GOING TO ASK US QUESTIONS, JUST LIKE THE WHO WAS AT THE WORKSHOP. JUST LIKE THAT. IT'S 100% FULL CONTACT. AND WE WE HAD THE PAPER DOLL.

THAT'S THE INTENT. CAN YOU POINT OUT AGAIN WHERE THAT POLLINATOR GARDEN WAS, THIS AREA IN HERE.

YEAH, I LOVE THE WE WANT TO SAVE THEM, BUT I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE.

SO WHERE ARE THE WATER PLAY ELEMENTS. YEAH. WHERE WERE THE TRIANGLES ARE RIGHT HERE.

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WHAT ABOUT. LET'S SEE. OH, UP IN THE UPPER. UPPER.

YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT RIGHT HERE. SO WHEN YOU TALKED TO ME ABOUT THE PLAY AREAS THAT YOU HAVE.

SO IN THAT ONE YOU HAVE FOUR PLAY AREAS. IN OPTION B YOU HAVE THREE PLAY AREAS.

WHERE ARE THOSE LOCATED AND WHAT WHEN YOU SAY PLAY AREA HOW LARGE IN SCOPE SCOPE OR SCALE ARE WE TALKING? CHRIS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO DESCRIBE BECAUSE YOU WERE REALLY WERE THINKING ABOUT THEM AS 5 OR 6 NODES IN EACH ONE.

AND REALLY WE TRY TO ADDRESS SOMETHING NATURAL THAT DIDN'T LOOK OUT OF PLACE.

IT'S NOT A PLAYGROUND NECESSARILY, BUT IT IS ITEMS THAT KIDS CAN PLAY ON.

AND IT WAS THESE WOOD OBJECTS. IT WAS A PRODUCT THAT CHRIS ACTUALLY IT'S SYNTHETIC TO.

AND SO AND WITH DOROTHY THEIR INPUT, THERE'S SOME COST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO LOOK AT THAT THAT HAVE A LITTLE MORE.

IT'S MORE OF LIKE A, A COSMETIC TO MAKE IT LOOK ORGANIC, BUT ALSO TO FIT IN WITH THE NICE DESIGN WE HAVE.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THESE RECTILINEAR ORANGE AND BLUE TENTS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. BUT MAYBE YOU WANT THE LET ME LET ME INTERJECT HERE. NO, NO. LET ME INTERJECT JUST FOR A MOMENT THOUGH. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HASN'T COME UP BEFORE. AND I THINK GOING TO THE MAYOR'S POINT ABOUT WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS PARK TO BE? RIGHT. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE TWO YEARS, I'VE HEARD ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THIS PARK IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

BUT MAYBE YOU WANT A LARGE PLAY APPARATUS THERE.

AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL PRECLUDED IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT THIS PARK TO BE. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE OFF THE TABLE TODAY.

AND THE DESIGN WILL FOLLOW WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE.

YEAH. I THINK IN MY MIND, I'M LOOKING FOR SOME FEATURES THAT REALLY SUPPLEMENT WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON OVER AT GROVE PARK AND KIDS KINGDOM AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO NOT NECESSARILY A TREMENDOUSLY LARGE PLAY STRUCTURE, NOT NECESSARILY A REALLY LONG DEDICATED WALKING TRAIL.

RIGHT. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT ALREADY EXIST A VERY SHORT DISTANCE AWAY FROM WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO I'M SAYING THAT MORE TO THE COUNCIL, I THINK AS FAR AS JUST FEEDBACK.

BUT YEAH, AND I'LL GET YOUR POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CRAM EVERYTHING INTO IT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR INTENT. I DO LIKE THE KIND OF THE COMPARTMENTALIZE, COMPARTMENTALIZE LITTLE PLAYGROUND AREA THAT I THINK THAT THAT HAS A LOT OF VALUE.

ACTUALLY, I DO LIKE THE POLLINATOR GARDEN BECAUSE I THINK IT BRINGS SOME ESTHETICS TO IT. AND I DO LIKE THE TRAIL EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A TRAIL.

BUT THIS IS IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, AND I JUST THINK IT ADDS A LOT OF VALUE, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO JUST DOWNTOWN AND THEY WALK THROUGH AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WALKING ON THE TRAIL. SO THAT'S WHO YOU THINK YOUR USER GROUP IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, OR OR IS THERE A RESIDENT USER NEARBY THAT'S GOING TO WANT TO COME AND WALK THE TRAIL EVERY DAY? AND BECAUSE YOU DO, THEN THEN THAT'S A FEATURE THAT THAT HAS VALUE.

WELL, WE'VE GOT 190 MAIN, YOU KNOW THIS THIS NOT FILLED OUT YET.

WE'VE GOT ANOTHER COUPLE DOWN THERE. COMPLEX IS GOING TO BE GOING IN.

I MEAN, WE'RE I THINK WE'LL EVENTUALLY HAVE THAT KIND OF CLIENTELE THAT WILL BE KIND OF LOCATED IN THAT AREA THAT I THINK WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONE ON TO THE NORTH OF THIS AND THAT. THAT'S A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE.

YEAH. SO LET'S MAYBE TRY TO SETTLE ON ONE OF THESE OPTIONS AND THEN GO UP AND START TO PLAY AROUND.

AND IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE DON'T LIKE THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION, WE CAN PULL THEM OUT. IF THERE'S THINGS THAT AREN'T IN THAT PARTICULAR OPTION, WE CAN ADD THEM IN. LET'S LET'S TRY TO SETTLE ON AN OPTION.

SO. WELL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND SORT OF YOUR POINT, TRYING TO DO ALL THE THINGS TO BE ALL THINGS AND CONGRUENCY.

THE ONE THAT TO ME THAT JUST FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS DOES NOT FIT IS A WATER FEATURE.

THE PLAY WATER FEATURE, A SPLASH PAD. JUST ONE.

I DON'T THINK IT FITS. WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THERE? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPLASH PAD, YOU'RE DRESSING TO GO TO THE POOL, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A SO. AND THE OTHER IS INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND MAINTENANCE COSTS OF MAINTAINING A WATER FEATURE.

THAT'S AS MUCH AS ANYTHING KIND OF AN ISSUE WITH ME.

A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS, I DON'T SAY MORE STATIC, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE PUMPS, YOU DON'T HAVE FILTERS, YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THIS STUFF TO IT. SO JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT TRYING TO BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE, WHAT MAYBE DOES NOT FIT IN QUOTATION MARKS FOR ME, I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE THE WATER FEATURE REALLY PARTICULARLY FITS.

SO FAIR COMMENT. WHAT WOULD A MAINTENANCE BE ON A SPLASH PAD? ANYBODY KNOW? WE'RE FIGURING IT OUT. WE JUST GOT OUR FIRST ONE.

I WILL SAY FOR THE RECORD. SO I WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFUL.

IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PARKS MASTER PLAN.

IT ALSO HAD IT AS A 12 ACRE GREAT LAWN. THERE WAS A SPLASH PAD AS PART OF THAT, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE PARKS MEETING WASN'T OBVIOUSLY A HIGH PRIORITY, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED SO. AND THAT WAS WELL BEFORE WE RETROFITTED KIDS KINGDOM WITH A SPLASH PAD.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. RECYCLING THE WATER, REFILTERING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

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THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT BECAUSE IT WAS A COST BASIS, BUT IT WAS MORE A FUNCTIONAL.

YEAH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH MICHAEL. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT THAT'S NEEDED.

OKAY. SO BETWEEN ONE A AND ONE D WHERE DO WE LAND AS A GROUP.

11C1C THE SPLASH PAD. LIKE ONE C WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT IT? IF YOU DON'T MIND. I LIKE THAT WE'RE WE'RE USING SPACE PRETTY GOOD THERE.

WE'RE GETTING FOLKS WHERE THEY CAN WALK AROUND, AND THEY'RE.

IF I TAKE OFF ON A WALK, I'M. IT'S PICKLEBALL COURTS.

I COURTS. I CAN SEE SOME PEOPLE DOING, AND I CAN WATCH SOME KIDS PLAYING SOCCER AND COME OVER HERE AND WATCH THE GUYS PLAY SOME BASKETBALLS. I'M COMING AROUND. I'VE GOT A LITTLE ACTIVITIES. I'M WALKING AROUND SEEING SOME SCENERY AS I COME BACK.

NOT THAT YOU WANT TO DO. ANY OF YOU JUST WANT TO WATCH THEM, RIGHT? I WANT TO WATCH THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO PLAY ANY BASKETBALL. I THINK. WELL, TOO OLD FOR THAT NOW, BUT IT'S GOOD FOR YOU BACK.

I THINK FOR ME, ONCE HE INCORPORATES A LOT OF THINGS I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE FROM A SPACE LIKE THIS, I THINK. SO IT'S A GOOD INCORPORATION. YOU AND YOU CAN SEE THE DOGS TOO AS YOU GO AROUND.

I LIKE ONE, SEE, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE PAVILION AND THE DOG PARK IS NICE, THERE'S A PRETTY STRONG CONTINGENT OF PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE DOG PARK HERE, I THINK ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND TO HAVE SOME MAYBE NOT A PAVILION, BUT SOME KIND OF SHADE.

YEAH. SOMEWHERE. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, YOU'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE.

HAVE TO BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO PUT THROUGHOUT THE PARK. YEAH. BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT. AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE KEPT HEARING WAS WATER.

WE NEED SOME WATER THERE SO WE CAN GET SOMETHING TO DRINK.

YOU KNOW THIS IS TEXAS. SO WATER FOUNTAINS MOUNTAINS, FILL UP WATER BOTTLES, WHATEVER.

I THINK THAT'S THE THING. NOW FILL YOUR WATER BOTTLE UP. AND THE SHADE SHADE FEATURES.

OR WAS SOMETHING WE HEARD PRETTY BIG IN THE PARK TONIGHT AND STUFF.

YEAH. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE. I HEAR A FEW ONE SEES.

I'M. I'M IN LINE WITH ONE. SEE AS WELL. THAT'S A GREAT STARTING POINT.

SO LET'S. IS THAT ENOUGH FEEDBACK JAMES FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 100%.

WE HAVE IT ALL CUT OUT. WE CAN COME UP HERE AND WE'LL SIT ON THIS SIDE. WE'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO COME UP AND KIND OF SEE. SO WE'LL KIND OF PLACE WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THESE THINGS KIND OF ARRANGED RIGHT NOW WITH OUR COURTS.

DO YOU NEED A MINUTE TO SET THAT UP, OR DO YOU WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND COME AROUND? AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT, I COULD GO WITH THE ONE, SEE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE AND I MEAN, I LIKE THE POLLINATOR, BUT IF WE, IF WE INCORPORATED COLOR AND STUFF INTO, YOU KNOW, INTO THE GROUND COVERS AND VEGETATION OR WHATEVER.

YEAH. DOES IT STILL HAVE A POLLINATOR? IT DOES NOT.

NO. I THINK ONLY D HAS THE POLLINATOR. I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THE POLLINATOR ONLY BECAUSE BEES AND KIDS GET STUNG.

I JUST GOTTA GROW UP SOMETIME. I WAS THINKING, EVEN IF C HAS AN ELEMENT, IF C HAS AN ELEMENT YOU DON'T LIKE, YOU CAN REMOVE IT. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S AGAIN THAT'S THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION.

DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD. DID THEY GET RID OF THAT GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A BASELINE OF ONE C.

WE CAN REMOVE AND MOVE CLOSER TO ONE B. WE CAN ADD AND MOVE CLOSER TO ONE D ANY ANY ITERATION THEREOF.

SO RIGHT AFTER THEY GET KIND OF SITUATED HERE.

THIS IS NOT YET. YEAH. AM I READY TO DRAW? JAMES HOW LONG.

HOW LONG ARE WE TALKING HERE? A COUPLE MINUTES TO GET READY OR ARE WE TWO MINUTES. OKAY, SO LET'S TAKE A COUPLE MINUTE RECESS.

WE'LL PUSH PAUSE ON THE VIDEO AND WE'LL BE BACK HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. GIVE US TWO MINUTES. IT IS 6:46 P.M..

WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH OUR AGENDA ITEM.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND THE MOCKUPS UP HERE.

THERE ARE SOME DESIGNS THAT ARE ALREADY LAID OUT AND TAKE IT AWAY.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE WE PUT THIS TOGETHER WAS BRING OPTION ONE C TO LIFE WITH THE PIECES AS YOU SAW IT.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME PIECES THAT ARE HERE WHICH WE TALKED EARLY ON ABOUT THE QUANTITIES.

THIS IS WHEN WE CAN START PLACING WHAT THEY ARE.

AND WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE. SO THIS IS YOUR YOUR PAVILION STRUCTURES, SMALL STRUCTURES, SHADE STRUCTURE.

THIS IS YOUR POLLINATORS. THIS IS YOUR WATER FEATURE, WHICH WE KNOW IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE OFF THE TABLE IN A MINUTE.

THESE ARE YOUR SMALLER SHADE STRUCTURES AND THESE ARE YOUR BENCHES.

AND THESE ARE THE NODES THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ABOUT WHAT'S IN HERE.

IT'S KID STUFF, TREES STUFF YOU KNOW STUFF THAT YOU PLAY.

SO THESE ARE HERE AGAIN IF WE NEED TO CUT OUT MORE OR MAKE MORE QUANTITIES, WE DO IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND AGAIN, MAIN STREET NORTH.

THE ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON WAS THIS IS THE REFLECTING POND IN FRONT, WHICH YOU'LL SEE OUT IN FRONT OF CITY HALL THAT ADDRESSES MAIN STREET.

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SO MAYOR, I THINK FOR YOUR POINT, THE INTENT IS, IS TO SEE AND HEAR FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE.

AND I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD KIND OF HAVE A CHANCE TO KIND OF ENGAGE THIS.

SO LET'S MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE FOUNTAIN UP FRONT.

THIS WILL NOT HAVE WATER IN IT CONSTANTLY. YOU WILL HAVE AN AERATOR WHEN IT DOES HAVE WATER, BUT IT WILL BE MORE LIKE AN OVERFLOW. BECAUSE THE, THE ACTUAL POND WAS WAY, WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.

SO WE DO HAVE A PRICE FOR IT. WE CAN PUT IT IN, BUT IT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE FOR CONTINUOUS WATERING.

SO THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL HAVE WATER CONTINUOUSLY THIS BIG ONE BACK HERE.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF IT RAINS HEAVY, IT'LL BE FILLED UP AND THEN IT WILL EVAPORATE OVER A DAY OR 2ND AUGUST.

WE CAN ALWAYS ADD A WATER SOURCE. SOURCE THAT WILL CONTINUALLY HAVE IT.

DOES THAT JUST MEAN IT WILL LOOK LIKE MUD OR DIRT? MOST OF THE TIME, YES. SO IT'S NOT A CONCRETE.

YEAH. WHY WHY WHY WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF IT? WELL, THE REASON WHY I WAS THERE WAS IT WAS GOING TO GO FROM A BIG WATER FEATURE TO A SMALLER WATER FEATURE.

SO AGAIN, IT GOES TO DAVID'S POINT. IS THIS ONE IN THE FRONT HERE? NO, WE ASKED FOR THAT TO BE WET. SO I THINK WE HAVE A MISCOMMUNICATION.

YEAH. THAT WAS YEAH. WE ASKED FOR THAT TO BE WET BY THIS NONSENSE.

YEAH I WAS GOING YEAH. LET ME MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR BECAUSE YEAH, I THINK WE GET THIS HERE WAS GOING TO BE A DETENTION POND, RIGHT? WE SAID IT. MAYBE IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE $1.1 MILLION, BUT IT NEEDED TO BE WET.

WET. AND WE TOOK IT DOWN IN PRICE. I THINK YOU HAD 250, CHRIS.

BUT I WANT TO SEE NUMBERS HERE. BUT THAT WAS I'M SAYING THIS WAS MEANT TO BE A PERMANENT WATER FEATURE.

LIKE REFLECTING. YES, EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING.

YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S CONFLATED WITH FRIDAY NIGHT MUD WRESTLING. YEAH.

YEAH. TO THE PUBLIC. SO WHAT ABOUT THIS WATER? THAT'LL BE. THAT'S A RETENTION POND. SO THAT WILL.

THAT IS REAL POND. THAT WILL ALWAYS BE. THERE WILL BE WATER THERE.

IT MAY RISE AND FALL, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO DRY UP LIKE THAT.

DAVID SAID THEY WANT THAT TO BE CONTINUOUSLY WET.

YEAH. SO? SO THE POND IN FRONT OF CITY HALL WILL BE A REFLECTING POND WITH THE SEATING AREA.

THAT'S WHAT THE HALF DONUT IS THERE. THAT POND IS A RETENTION POND.

SO JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCRETE, A LOT OF IMPERMEABLE SURFACE, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AREA TO COLLECT THE RUNOFF AND IT'S GOING TO FLUCTUATE WITH TIME.

IT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S NOT GOING TO DRY UP. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LINER OR ANYTHING.

OKAY. OKAY. NO. SO IT'S GOING TO SOAK INTO THE GROUND.

IT'S GOING TO EVAPORATE. IT'S GOING TO GO OUT. LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON TERMINOLOGY FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENT DETENTION AND RETENTION.

RETENTION IS YOU'RE ALWAYS RETAINING WATER. IT'S ALWAYS A WATER LEVEL AND YOUR STORAGE IS THE BALANCE ABOVE THE WATER.

OKAY. RIGHT. THE COMPENSATORY STORAGE. SO WE FIGURE THAT.

SO IF IT'S WET WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL.

SO BASICALLY PUT A WEIR SYSTEM IN IT TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL THEN ANYTHING OVER THAT.

YEAH. SO I'M GONNA GO IN A LITTLE DETAILS ON THE ENGINEER ON THIS.

YEP. SO THE FRONT THIS IS THE HIGH POINT OF THE SITE.

SO THIS ONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE FILLED WITH AN EXTERNAL WATER SOURCE.

SO MORE THAN LIKELY WHAT YOU DO IS YOU DO A LITTLE WATER TAP. YOU HAVE A VALVE THERE.

YOU OPEN IT UP WHEN IT GETS LOW, USUALLY IN THE SUMMER MONTHS.

IN THIS CASE, SINCE IT'S THE LOW POINT, IT'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO BE FILLED 6 TO 9 MONTHS A YEAR.

THE ONE IN BACK IS ALSO GOING TO BE WET. IT WILL BE RETENTION.

THIS IS JUST FOR LOOKS. SO THIS WILL JUST BE WET.

IT'LL BE LOW. THIS IS FUNCTIONAL. SO IT'S FUNCTIONING AS A DETENTION AND RETENTION.

IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THREE QUARTERS FULL.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO WONDER WHAT THAT TOP FOURTH IS FOR. AND THAT'S FOR THE DETENTION PURPOSES. SO IT IS A RETENTION DETENTION.

THE DEPTH I THINK AROUND WITH THAT SIZE YOU COULD PROBABLY GET AROUND EIGHT FEET. SO TO KEEP THIS CONTINUOUSLY WET, THAT'S NOT COST PROHIBITIVE, BECAUSE I JUST HEARD THAT A WHILE AGO. IT WAS TOO MUCH TO DO THAT.

IT JUST DEPENDS. IT'D BE MORE MAINTENANCE, LIKE A SWIMMING POOL.

YEAH. SO WOULD YOU TYPICALLY. IS THIS PRETTY CLAY SOIL OUT HERE.

SO IT'S GOING TO HOLD A LITTLE BIT OF WATER. BUT TO GET A PERFECTLY, I GUESS IMPERMEABLE POND YOU HAVE TO LINE THE BOTTOM CLAY.

I KNEW THAT THAT MAKES YOU FILL IT UP LESS. IF WE WANT TO CUT THAT COST BACK, WE CAN, WHICH MEANS IT'S GOING TO SOAK INTO THE SOIL MORE.

WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO FILL IT UP MORE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A CONCRETE FEATURE, YOU KNOW. WELL, THERE'LL BE A THIS THIS DONUT WILL BE A SECRET AREA.

YES. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT'S MENTIONED IS IT IS A POND AT MAIN STREET WITH SEAWALL.

MAKE ANY MOSQUITO DUNKS. CATFISH MILLER IT'S ONE GALLON PER QUARTER.

YEAH. KEMP MILLER TWO. IS THIS GOING TO HAVE LIKE A NOT A WATER FEATURE AERATOR.

YEAH. WE FROM A COST STANDPOINT. LET'S GO CODY.

WE'RE NOT WATER FEATURE RIGHT NOW. YES AT ALL.

YES. NO. YES. YEAH WE HAVE AERATORS IN THERE.

YEAH. SO YOU HAVE A BUDGET IN THERE. SO IT'S IN HERE OKAY.

IS THIS PARK SPACE HERE. RIGHT. THIS THIS HERE IS GOING TO ADJUNCT LAND TO COURTS.

SO JUST COMMUNITY PUBLIC SAFETY. BUT YEAH IT'S LANDSCAPING.

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THAT'S MORE LANDSCAPING. SO. GOT IT. WE WERE REALLY FOCUSING ON THIS BEING THE KIND OF THE PALM AND KIND OF LOOKING BACKWARDS TO SAY, THIS IS YEAH, FROM DOG PARK IN HERE FOR IT, BECAUSE THIS IS A SECURE FENCE HERE.

PAST THIS POINT YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE INSIDE THE.

YEAH. YEAH. NO, IT'S GOING TO BE. SO IS THIS WHERE Y'ALL WERE THINKING PLAY AREAS OF GO RIGHT THERE RIGHT.

OR JUST SCATTERED I WOULD SCATTER THAT MAKES SENSE.

MAYBE ONE THERE, ONE DOWN HERE HERE AND MAYBE ONE UP THERE.

YOU COULD DO A PARK LINER OR A LINER EITHER, BUT IT'LL STAY.

THOSE ARE FOR THE PLAY STRUCTURES. NOW ON THE SHADE, THE SHADE PAVILIONS, THE SHADE STRUCTURES.

WE'VE GOT FOUR SLOTS IN THERE FOR AROUND THE PARK, BUT WE PROBABLY NEED MORE.

YEAH, WE NEED WATER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER FOR THE DOG PARK IS, BUT AT LEAST ONE ON EACH ONE.

YEAH. LIKE THAT. YEAH. HOW BIG WOULD THOSE BE? THERE WILL BE ONE HERE. HOW BIG WOULD THESE BE? DO YOU REMEMBER HOW BIG THESE WE HAD THEM AT LIKE 2020? YEAH. 20FT. I WOULD THINK ONE WOULD BE ENOUGH.

YEAH YEAH YEAH. AND SO BUT BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE WE AT LEAST GOT ONE OF THOSE HERE.

THOSE ARE THE WATER FEATURES AND THOSE ARE THE. YEAH.

YEAH. OH THESE. WE HAD PLENTY OF LIKE A KID KID.

YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S LIKE. YEAH. AND AND I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT GIVING BIG KIDS.

IT'S ALL LITTLE KIDS. THAT'S ALL IT IS, RIGHT? CUZ I DON'T WANT THERE WILL BE BIG KIDS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE. THE BIG KIDS. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE.

YEAH. I MEAN, HONESTLY, IF WE'RE DOING POLLINATORS OVER THERE WHERE JONATHAN WAS JUST POINTING IS WHERE I PUT POLLINATORS.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THERE. IS THAT GOING TO BE COMING IN COMING IN COURTS AND STUFF? NOT NECESSARILY. THEY STAY PRETTY I MEAN THEY'RE PRETTY CONTAINED. YEAH I MEAN LIKE I MEAN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IT'S YEAH, IN FACT IT'S ALMOST KIND OF GOOD OF A SCENE BECAUSE IT WAS SORT OF DISCOURAGED.

YOU CAN DO LIKE A SPRING GATHERING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION, MAYBE.

YEAH. NO, THESE ARE YOUR SHADE STRUCTURES THAT CAN BE PLACED ELSEWHERE, KIND OF AS YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR NODES AND POINTS.

YEAH. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. ARE WE HAPPY WITH HOW THIS LOOKS RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW.

YOU DON'T KNOW. I MEAN I JUST HERE IT JUST LOOKS REALLY BUSY.

BUT MAYBE WHEN WHEN IT'S LIKE THESE ARE PROBABLY LOW, SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE A SWING SET THAT'S JUST OPEN GRASS THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S THAT OPEN FIELD. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE BOTTOM PICTURE.

YEAH. SO I CAN HOLD THAT UP. YEAH. THAT THAT'S THESE.

THESE ARE WHAT, THOSE ORGANIC ZONES. YEAH. THESE ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIG.

OKAY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT LIKE A PARKING SPACE, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S LIKE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S NO GRASS.

YEAH. IT'S FINE. I'M FINE WITH THAT. WELL, THE ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT THE WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE PLAY FEATURES IS IF YOU'VE GOT PARENTS WITH KIDS OR IN ASSOCIATION WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS, WITH THE TENNIS COURTS, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ONE UP FRONT WHERE PEOPLE CAN BASICALLY PARK BLANKETS.

YEAH. JUST HANG OUT. SO THERE'S THIS IS IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.

I KNOW IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A BUSY FEEL, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. LIKE, I DON'T FEEL I GOT A SERIES OF PLAYGROUNDS OR ONE BIG ONE.

YOU CAN FLIP IT OVER. YEAH. NOW WHAT WAS THIS RIGHT HERE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE EXTENDED AREA.

OKAY. FOR GREEN SPACES THEY ASK FOR. SO THEY WANTED THIS IS SECURED FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

BUT AGAIN NOT GOING GRANULAR WAS THEY WANT A LARGE DOG BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT TRIANGLE IS.

YEAH. YEAH. GREAT. AND THEN THIS IS THE OTHER AREA WHERE THEY CAN GO OUT THERE AND EXERCISE.

THIS IS THEIR JOB. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, WELL, THERE WAS AN OFFER THAT COULD BE GRAVEL, BUT I WOULD SAY CONCRETE TOO THOUGH. OH YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY'S DOING THIS PART. CORRECT. THE CITY IS.

YEAH. BUT WITH OUR CONCRETE. CONCRETE. YEAH, YEAH.

DO YOU ALL FEEL LIKE WE NEED A SHADE, A SHADE STRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH LIKE BASKETBALL COURT, PICKLEBALL COURT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS AT LEAST ONE.

YEAH. WITH EACH. I DO AGREE THAT'S ALWAYS OUR BIGGEST COMPLAINT ON ANY OF OUR.

SO THAT'S YOUR BIG ONE. THESE ARE YOUR SMALL BENCHES WITH SHADES ON THEM. OKAY. YOU COULD USE SOME SHADE.

SO MARVIN MARVIN BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT WHICH IS ABOUT THESE PLAY NODES.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF THESE MORE NATURAL OPTIONS RIGHT.

THESE THIS AND THIS AND THIS. WOULD IT BE BETTER TO DO A PLAYGROUND LIKE A MORE TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE? MAYBE TWO SMALLER ONES, LIKE HERE AND THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I THINK PERSONALLY, I, I DON'T LIKE THAT JUST BECAUSE I HAVE KIDS.

KINGDOM RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. OKAY. YEAH. IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT, I GUESS MY I WOULD SAY TUCK IT BACK HERE.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A LOT WORSE HERE. I'M SORRY.

HERE WITH THE OTHER KIND OF ASSOCIATED WITH THE BASKETBALL COURTS AND THE TENNIS COURTS AND THEN THE OTHER ONES.

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I JUST THINK VISUALLY, IT JUST MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE LESS AMUSEMENT PARK.

WELL, I WOULD I CALL THEM MY, MY TERMINOLOGY FOR THESE ARE LIKE TINY POCKET, LITTLE POCKET FOR KIDDOS TO GO TO WHILE WHILE THEY'RE OVER HERE.

MOM AND DAD ARE PLAYING. THEY'RE OVER HERE SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO WHERE MOM AND DAD'S GOING TO BE PLAYING, AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE SITTING OVER HERE. LET THE KIDS DO THIS BECAUSE MOM DON'T ALWAYS GET TO TAKE THE KID TO. YEAH, I KNOW THEIR KIDS DAY OUT OR SOMETHING. SO SOMETHING THAT THEY GET TO DO WHILE MOM'S DOING THAT OR OR DAD'S PLAYING BASKETBALL.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS THE PARKS DEPARTMENTS IN THE ACTUAL WORDS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT PARK STRUCTURES.

IS THIS THE DIRECTION THEY WERE GOING TO WITH THAT.

TRYING TO AVOID THE WE'RE DOING OKAY. SO I THINK I WANT A BIG RED THING RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS NICE. SO THIS IS LIKE THIS NATURAL. LIKE I SAID IF YOU WANTED TO DO ONE MAYBE IN THE BACK HERE, BUT THE PARK THIS WIDER SO THAT THIS IS I HAVE LITTLE KIDS ANYMORE.

SO PAST THAT POINT MAYBE I HAVE LIKE LIKE PAST DISHES.

I DO THIS. ALL RIGHT. SO WE GOT TWO POLLINATORS.

WE NEED ANOTHER. YOU GUYS HAVE A THING, RIGHT? PUT IT WHERE YOU WANT IT. CITY HALL IS THERE. THE CITY PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE CITY ARE THERE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THAT EVERY DAY. IT'S EITHER A NO GO AREA ON THE EDGES AND STUFF, BECAUSE EVEN IF IT'S KIDS CAN PLAY ON THIS. YEAH. LIKE, YEAH, ANYTHING THAT'S GOING THROUGH HERE, THERE'S SIDEWALK GOING THROUGH HERE, GOING AROUND. THERE'S POLLINATOR. YOU'RE GOING ALL THESE.

YEAH. YOU'RE JUST LIKE JONATHAN. WELL THIS IS A VERY ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN AREA.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT ME? I HEARD MY NAME. BEES, POLLINATORS.

I DIDN'T SAY THAT I WAS TAKING UP FOR HIM. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S JUST DEAL WITH IT. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE WOODEN, THIS MORE NATURAL, IT JUST REALLY FLOWS WELL WITH THE STORM FOR NOW.

AND GRANTED, I KNOW WE SAID PUSHING, BUT MILE MARKER.

SO IF WE WANTED ONE JUST FOR LIKE CITY EMPLOYEES.

SO THEY WERE ON A BREAK. THEY WANTED TO SEE LIKE, HEY, I GOT 30 MINUTES. HOW FAR WOULD I GO TO WALK A MILE? COULD WE PUT LIKE ONE MILE MARKER IN THIS? YEAH, YEAH, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER HAVING A HALF MILE AND THIS ONE HAS THE EXTRA LONG AND THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE STEVENS ELEMENTARY ONCE THE KIDS CAN PLAY.

YEAH, I'M SURE THE APARTMENTS WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PLAY, BY THE WAY.

I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? DOROTHY. DOROTHY.

DOROTHY. AROUND THE POND AND BACK WITH BACILLUS. MAYBE YOU COULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT.

I MEAN, I LOVE POLLINATOR GARDENS. I'VE SEEN ONE THAT Y'ALL DID.

IT WAS A BUFFALO TRACE HERITAGE TRACE OVER IN FORT WORTH, WHICH EVEN YEARS LATER, STILL LOOKS REALLY, REALLY NICE. WHAT IS THIS? BUT THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THAT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THAT ON THIS SIDE.

BECAUSE THE SUN IS HERE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. THIS IS I USED TO DO THIS RIGHT. SO THAT WAS ALWAYS A THING.

AND SETTING THE EXPECTATION. EVERYBODY HAS THIS IDEA IT'S GOING TO BE THIS BEAUTIFUL, ALMOST MANICURED MEADOW WHICH HERITAGE TRACE KIND OF IS.

BUT THESE PAVILIONS ARE BIGGER FOR GATHERING.

BUT I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, I JUST YEAH, I ALWAYS I ALWAYS LIKE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE HAVEN'T SEEN IT HERE FROM MAYBE SOMEBODY LIKE YOU TO KIND OF SET AN EXPECTATION OF WHAT THAT IS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. JAMES HAS A POINT HE WANTS TO MAKE.

JUST SO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND, IN THE ALLOWANCE TO THIS AREA WAS ALSO THE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S AND THE WATER FOUNTAIN.

OKAY. AS AN ALLOWANCE. SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT LITTLE NOTE.

NOW THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE PATHWAY BY THE CITY WAS SOMETHING WE HAD AN ALLOWANCE. SO JUST KNOW THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING.

YES. WE SHOULD PUT A SHADE STRUCTURE THERE. AND THEN JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT THAT'S A FIXED ELEMENT.

IT'S KIND OF CENTRAL TO THE PARK. OKAY. OKAY.

OKAY. WATER BOTTLE FILLERS. BATHROOMS. TWO STORY SHADE STRUCTURE.

NOPE. WE DON'T. IT'S A HIGH RISE. SHE'S KIDDING.

I'M KIDDING. LET ME CHECK. OKAY. OKAY, SO WHERE ARE WE? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SAY NOW? WHERE ARE WE GOING? I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT ARE UP THERE, THE ONLY THINGS I THINK WE'RE REALLY MISSING ARE THE SHADE. SORRY. THE MONUMENT SIGNS, WHICH ARE THOSE LITTLE LINES TO THESE GUYS NOW IN THE MAP, THEY HAVE ONE SITUATED INSIDE THE ROUNDABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE.

REMIND ME WHAT THE MONUMENTS ARE. IT WOULD JUST SAY UP HERE, IF YOU REMEMBER ORIGINALLY IN KIND OF OUR APPROACH, YOU GUYS HAD THE OBELISK AS YOUR ORIENTATION. WE JUST USE THAT AS A REFERENCE POINT, RIGHT? SO WE HAD AN OBELISK AS YOU ENTER, AN OBELISK AS YOU ENTER AND AN OBELISK AS YOU ENTER.

SO WE JUST SHOWED IT. AND THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS ARE.

THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE JUST SOMETHING. OKAY. PLACEHOLDERS, MARKERS UNTIL WE DEVELOP THEM. OKAY.

LIKE WHEN YOU HIT THESE SIGNAGE POINTS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN HER CROSSING THE THRESHOLD.

YOU'RE COMING INTO THE SPACE, AND WE'VE SAID NO TO THE WATER ELEMENT.

CORRECT? NO ONE'S EVEN TOUCHED THEM. SO THEY'RE KIND OF SITTING OVER HERE. ARE YOU GUYS LONELY? SPLASH PADS. LET'S PUT ONE MORE OVER THERE. RIGHT.

[00:55:02]

IT OPENS EVERY DAY. OKAY. I'LL BE CUTTING THROUGH BETWEEN 11 AND 6 SIX AT NIGHT.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE ROADWAYS ARE THERE BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC ACCESS.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO IF SOMEONE HAS TO BE PICKED UP OR SOMEONE HAS TO GO SEE A LOVED ONE, I MEAN, PUBLIC SAFETY IS GOING TO BE AN ACTIVE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO THEN AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT, THIS IS A IS A PARKWAY. IT WON'T GET TO BE 30 THEN.

THERE'S NO WAY. WELL WELL CENTENNIAL RIGHT NOW IS IT'S IT'S BASICALLY A A NON MARKED SPEED.

RIGHT. COMING IN OFF 30 OFF MAIN RIGHT. SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE POSTED THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S MAIN STREET UP TO THE NORTH. YEAH IT GOES TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE. YEAH. CENTENNIAL IS COMING DOWN HERE. RIGHT HERE. SO WHEN YOU GET INTO HERE YOU WERE IN THE PARK.

RIGHT HERE ACTUALLY IS WHERE THE PARK WAS. IT'S REALLY WEIRD RIGHT HERE. IT CUTS OFF AND DOES LIKE 90.

THERE'S A 90, BUT IT WON'T DO THAT WHEN Y'ALL GET IT GOING, RIGHT. BUT WHAT YOU SEE IS. YEAH. RIGHT.

BUT SO IT'S THE SAME THING. IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DECIDE LATER ON BECAUSE PEOPLE BACKING OUT INTO THIS I WOULD THINK YOU'RE MORE LIKE 20 MILES AN HOUR.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. IF YOU GO DOWN BY BY BY THE BREWERY AND BY, YOU KNOW, THE AREA WHERE YOU'RE BACKING OUT. AND SO IT'S DIVIDED WITH THE BOULEVARD.

THAT SPEED RIGHT THERE IS ABOUT THE SPEED YOU'RE GOING TO SEE. IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO POST IT.

BUT AGAIN THAT'S COMEDY TRAFFIC. THEY'RE NOT RACING.

YEAH. THEY DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO POSTING. NO.

SO HAVE WE PRETTY WELL LANDED ON A MAJOR PLAY OR MAJOR FEATURES THAT ARE HANGING OUT HERE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN PLACE.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT ARE THOSE AGAIN FEATURES LIKE THAT.

YOU WANT TO PUT SOME MORE BY THE TENNIS COURT? I MEAN JUST IN CASE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING TENNIS COURT, WHAT DO WE DO.

WE HAVE ENOUGH SHADE STRUCTURES BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS A COMMENT IN ALL OF OUR GREEN SPACES.

WE GOT TWO IN THE DOG PARK. YOU HAVE NOTHING ON YOUR SOCCER YET.

I MEAN, I THINK TO ME THE INTENT IS WE WANT THOSE ARE THE STRUCTURES WE'RE REALLY RELYING ON.

YOU GUYS, I THINK, TO PICK OUT EXACTLY WHERE THOSE GO. RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WE'LL COMPOSE IT ALL.

YEAH. WE CAN JUST GET A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THEM ONE MORE.

OVER HERE. OH, THERE. YEAH. YEAH. WELL. WELL, THIS IS A 20 FOOTER, ISN'T IT? THAT'S A BIG PAVILION OH, YEAH. WHERE DID YOU SAY I WAS GONNA SAY THAT? I PUT IT OVER HERE. WELL, WE TOOK AWAY YOUR TEAM. THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO HANDLE DOG PARKS, TOO. YOU COULD HAVE A SINGLE SPLIT.

BRING YOUR TEAM DOWN. OH, NO. WE'VE GOT ONE FOR BOTH.

THAT COULD WORK AGAIN. THE PATHWAY TO IT, I LIKE THAT.

I LIKE THAT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. IT WASN'T MINE.

THAT WAS THE PARK. I MEAN, THAT OR EVEN LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, IF YOU GOT THEM BOTH THAT WAY THROUGH THERE, IT'S JUST AN AREA THEY WALK THROUGH AND THERE'S ENTRIES. YEAH, IT JUST WAS THE CONNECTION TO STEVE'S POINT OF HOW THIS ALL KIND OF MAKES IT.

YEAH, I LIKE THAT. YEAH. YEAH. JUST REMEMBER THIS.

THIS SORT OF WALKWAY COMES THROUGH AND HOOKS BACK AND COMES BACK OUT.

WE GOT ONE MORE. WHERE DO Y'ALL WANT IT? THE SHADE STRUCTURE.

WHERE YOU'RE OUT IN THE WATER. YEAH. PUT IT RIGHT IN THE WATER.

RIGHT HERE. YEP. YEAH. FLOATING ON YOUR FLOATING.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. GOTTA SWIM OUT TO IT. REALLY? FOCUSING ON EVERY AMENITY HAS SOME LIKE KIND OF SUPPORT WHETHER IT'S AN ACTIVITY.

YES. AND THAT SUPPORT IS BASED ON WHAT WE BELIEVE THE USE CONFLICT.

YES. YES. WE CAN USE THAT AS A REFERENCE POINT.

YEAH. AND THEN IF IT ULTIMATELY SAYS IT'S TOO MANY OR TOO LITTLE, WE CAN KIND OF MAKE SURE LIKE WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. RIGHT.

WE HEARD SHADE STRUCTURE FOR THE THE POOL, THE WET ZONE.

WE'VE HEARD IT WHEN I WAS DOING PARK ADVISORY FOR ALL THIS STUFF.

THEY WANTED SHADE. YEP. AND YOU NAME IT, THEY WANT SHADE BECAUSE THE TREES AREN'T GOING TO MAKE IT FOR A WHILE.

YOU GUYS USE THEM ALL BUT TWO. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S TWO MORE.

SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THIS FROM HERE? BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE STILL A LITTLE BIT TORN ON WHAT THESE FEATURES LOOK LIKE.

CORRECT. IS THERE GOING TO BE A RENDERING OF THIS WITH BOTH OPTIONS PROVIDED OR.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO SKETCH OVER THIS.

HE IS GOING TO START PUTTING THIS. WE'RE GOING TO SKETCH IT. TAKE A PICTURE OF IT. LET HIM PUT TOGETHER IN REAL TIME TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN OF THE BUDGET SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHAT YOU JUST DID IN REFERENCE TO WHERE THE CONTINGENCY IS FALLING DOWN TO.

AGAIN, IT'S I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M SAYING THINGS RIGHT AND KEEPING US HIGH LEVEL WITH DAVID.

HE'S SITTING RIGHT HERE. YOU'RE DOING FINE. LET ME SHUT UP AND DO MY.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA GET IN TROUBLE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS NOW, IT'S OKAY. SO THEY'RE ASKING NEXT STEPS. SO WE'RE GOING TO SKETCH THIS AT THE SAME TIME. I DON'T EVEN NEED THE SKETCHES. CAN YOU TAKE AN EXTRA. WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF THIS. RIGHT. YEAH. YOU CAN SHOW THEM NOW RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE'LL PUT IT UP ON BOARD, GET CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT.

YEAH. BUT BEFORE YOU FINALIZE THAT, I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE REPRESENTED AND MAYBE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT.

YEAH. THAT THEY BELIEVE BELONGS IN THIS PARK.

PERFECT. JONATHAN'S POINT BECAUSE WE CAN SKETCH THAT THE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO DO STUFF. WE WANT THIS TO BE LIKE ANYWHERE, ANY ONE OF THESE DAYS. IT'S LIKE A WALK. I THINK THIS PAVILION, QUITE FRANKLY, IS LANDLOCKED.

I WOULD MAKE IT SOMETHING YOU GO TO VERSUS WALK AROUND, RIGHT?

[01:00:02]

SO I MEAN, IF YOU'RE DOING THIS AND YOU GOT THE PICKLEBALL, AGREED. THAT'S A PRETTY ACTIVE SPACE.

WHY CAN'T WE PUT IT RIGHT OFF MAIN STREET? WELL,. THIS IS WHERE DAVID HALLS WILL EAT LUNCH EVERY DAY. I KNOW, BUT. YEAH, BUT HE'S GOT A HE'S GOT A JOB.

BECAUSE I'LL BE IN THE DOGHOUSE. NO, HE'S GOTTA GET HIS STUFF.

HE'S GOTTA GET HIS STUFF. YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. AGREED.

AGREED. I THOUGHT THIS WAS WEIRD. SO TENNIS COURTS.

GOOD PICKLEBALL. GOOD SOCCER FIELDS. GOOD. BASKETBALL COURTS.

GOOD. WE'VE GOT THE POND WITH THE MAIN STREET WALL, WHICH IS REMAINING, AND IT WILL BE AERATED AND FILLED.

YEP. AND WET. THANK GOD WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SHADE STRUCTURES.

I WON'T SAY SEVEN, BUT WHATEVER WE HAVE HERE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PAVILIONS RIGHT NOW.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT ALL ACTUALLY, WE'VE GOT LIKE FIVE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE, ONE, ONE AND TWO HERE.

YEAH. OKAY. WE GOT A TRAIL AROUND THE POND. SO THE TRAIL IS JUST CONTINUING ON AND HAS TWO MONUMENT SIGNS, WHICH I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS THAT ONE THERE AND ONE HERE.

RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT AGAIN QUANTITY WE SAID IF YOU'RE COMING TO THE PARK, IF YOU WANT THESE, WE TAKE THEM OUT. BUT THAT'S. THAT WAS WHY WE. YEAH, I THINK I THINK LET THAT BE THE CENTER POINT RATHER THAN HAVING MONUMENT SIGNS ON EITHER.

I MEAN THIS IS KEY AND THAT'S KEY. ABSOLUTELY.

ONCE YOU CROSS THE THRESHOLD IN HERE THAT REALLY SIGNALS YOU HAVE DOWNTOWN NOW.

YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOT SOMETHING ELSE.

NO. PROBABLY NOT. JUST PUT A LITTLE LIKE A LITTLE LIKE A LITTLE.

IT'S ALSO AN IMPEDIMENT BECAUSE THAT'LL BE A RAISED AREA. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DRIVE OVER IT. SO WE'LL MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT'S AN ELEMENT THAT IS. SO IT WOULD GO IN HERE. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A CLOCK WOULD NOT. YEAH. RIGHT.

ANIMAL SHELTER. YEAH. YEAH. CUZ IT WASN'T UP THERE.

SO I WAS JUST LIKE OH. SO I WAS TALKING TO DAVID ABOUT THIS STUFF AND, AND PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY PICKLEBALL AND I GIVE THEM 100% I, WE, WE HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM. BUT I WAS TELLING DAVID THE OTHER DAY THAT I WAS TOLD THAT THERE'S A NEW GAME THAT'S MOVING THIS WAY, AND IT'S CALLED PADDLE BALL. YEAH, YEAH. AND ALL IT IS, IS A PADDLE WITH A TENNIS BALL.

IS IT THE SAME KIND OF PORT YOU CAN PLAY ON OR ANYBODY KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE.

ANSWER. IT'S GOT GREAT MOMENTUM. YEAH, IT'S GOT A LOT OF MOMENTUM.

IT'S GETTING REALLY BIG. TOO SMALL TO PLAY BECAUSE IT GOES INTO A BIGGER AREA.

SO YOU PUT MORE LIKE A TENNIS COURT ON THE TENNIS COURT.

SO YOU DO TWO PER TENNIS COURT. DID YOU? YEAH.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD FIX LATER FOR THAT.

RIGHT. IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT EDGE. IT'S JUST SOLID. YEAH.

THE STRAP IS WHEN YOU GO THERE, YOU CAN SEE CROSS STRIPES IN THE COURT.

WE HAVE FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL OR, YOU KNOW, VOLLEYBALL OR THERE'S INLETS.

YEAH, THE SAME THING. SO WE'LL DOUBLE STRIKE IT.

SO LET'S TRY TO SETTLE ON ON THESE. I LIKE THOSE PLAYGROUNDS OR WOODEN PLAY STRUCTURES.

I LIKE THE PLAYGROUND. HE LIKES THE WOOD. I LIKE, I LIKE I WOULD GO WOODEN UP THERE.

WOODEN PLAYGROUND BACK HERE ACTUALLY, MYSELF.

I'D SPLIT IT UP. DID YOU SAY WOODEN? WOODEN. SO YOU'RE A MIX? I'M A MIX. BOWERS. CAN WE SAY WHEN WE SAY WOODEN, SOMETHING THAT'S SYNTHETIC? WELL, YEAH. WHATEVER. NOT. NOT WOOD. WOOD WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THESE TYPE OF NATURAL VERSUS THE PLASTIC ORANGE.

JUST KNOWING THAT YOU GUYS ARE STICKING TO THE WHOLE WORLD.

YES, YES. NATURAL NATURAL STRUCTURES THAT FIT THE LOOK AND FEEL.

I LIKE THE ONE ON ONE. I THINK YOU'RE I THINK YOU'RE ON TRACK WITH THAT.

THE ONE ON ONE DOESN'T MAKE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE CONFLICTING WITH ONE ANOTHER.

BUT IF IT'S ONE ON ONE, THEN YOU'VE GOT KIND OF A MORE NATURAL PLAY FEATURE AND THEN A DEDICATED PLAYGROUND, YOU KNOW, FABRICATED PLAY FEATURE, RIGHT? YEAH.

CAN WE INTERJECT A LITTLE BIT TOO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS DUALITY GOING ON. YOU HAVE A REALLY NICE GREEN AREA. WHAT'S I MEAN, THIS COULD BE YOUR MORE NATURAL NATURAL NATURAL.

YEAH. IT KIND OF FITS IN. AND THIS IS YOUR SPECIFIC ONE BECAUSE IT'S MY BASKETBALL COURT.

YEAH. YEAH. THEY KIND OF TRY AND DIRECT IT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME GUIDANCE. THIS IS YOUR NATURAL, YOU SAID. YEAH, THAT'S THE NATURAL HERE. THIS ONE HERE.

THAT'S THE PLAYGROUND. IS THERE A FENCE ALONG THIS OR.

I MEAN, HOW CLOSE WOULD THAT BE TO THE STREET? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR OUR LANDSCAPING AND OUR TREES.

YOU DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT. OKAY. SO THIS IS WITHOUT ANY OF THAT.

GOTCHA. OKAY. SO WE'RE MEETING ALL YOUR TREE ORDINANCES AGAIN. THAT'S GETTING LOWER IN THE PLANE. SURE. YEAH, BUT THAT WOULD BE A BUFFER.

I AGREE. YEAH, IT'D BE A MIXTURE. YEAH. LET'S GO BACK AND SIT DOWN, FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS WE'RE GOING TO DO RIGHT NOW.

DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT WHERE WE CAN GET THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THIS. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO POP THIS UP. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. WE WANT YOU GUYS TO KIND OF PONDER IN YOURSELVES.

OKAY. SIMULTANEOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO THEN TAKE THIS INFORMATION WITH THE QUANTITIES THAT CHRIS IS GOING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER IN REAL TIME OVER HERE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THIS DOES TO THE DECLINATION OF THE CONTINGENCY AND WHAT YOU HAVE.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. MONEY TIME MONEY TIME TIME.

EVERYONE IN THE DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER BRIEF RECESS WHILE THEY WORK THROUGH ALL THOSE UNDULATIONS.

WE'LL COME BACK HERE AND JUST JUST SHORTLY. ALL RIGHT, WE READY? YES, SIR. OKAY, GO FOR IT. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE.

IT IS 7:26 P.M.. OUR ARCHITECTS HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO DO SOME MATH AND TAKE IT AWAY.

[01:05:06]

SO JUST A QUICK RECAP. WE WENT TO OPTION ONE C.

WE DID OUR WORK TOGETHER. WE'RE NOT REALLY DEFINING 100% OF WHAT SOME OF THESE ARE, BUT WE TOOK THOSE QUANTITIES THAT YOU HAD HERE FOR YOU.

SO YOU STILL SEE THE OPTIONS LEFT AND RIGHT. AND WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE IS IN REAL TIME.

WHAT ALL OF YOU GUYS DID, ALL THAT GREAT WORK LOOKS LIKE AS IT RELATES TO QUANTITIES AND DOLLARS.

SO WITH THAT SAID, CHRIS, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF TAKE THE FLOOR AND EXPLAIN, LET HIM GO THROUGH THE SPREADSHEET HERE SO WE CAN GO AND LIST THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE ADDED INTO IT. HERE IS THE POND IN THE FRONT HERE THE IN THE CITY HALL.

THESE ARE THE SAME SHADE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ADDED SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT ALL OF THEM.

THAT INCLUDES FOUNDATION, SHADE, ALL THAT. THIS ONE HERE IS THE MONUMENT SIGNS.

WE HAD ORIGINALLY PRICED TWO OF THEM IN THERE.

WE'VE TAKEN IT OUT. AS OF NOW, IT'S BACK IN. SO WE'VE GOT TWO SIGNS IN THAT NUMBER.

WE'RE STILL SHOWING ONE THERE. I KNOW, BUT IT'S A IT WAS A MONUMENT SIGN AND SIGNAGE PORTION THAT WE'RE PUTTING BACK IN.

IT WAS AN ORIGINAL. THIS WASN'T ORIGINALLY ON THERE, BUT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT BACK IN, WHICH WAS THE AWNING FROM THE TV. WE COULD TAKE THAT OUT IF WE WANT.

AND THIS KIND OF GOES MORE INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT.

THESE ARE NATURAL SHADE STRUCTURE OR. EXCUSE ME, THESE ARE YOUR PLAY AREAS.

LET'S JUST POINT THOSE OUT. SO WE. SO THERE'S PROBABLY QUESTIONS. SO THE FRONT PLAYER WE TALKED ABOUT BEING THAT ORGANIC WOODEN SYNTHETIC LOOK AND THE BACK HERE BEING MORE I WORRY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN FAIRNESS TO THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET A HALF OF A VIEW AND YOU'RE GOING TO EITHER FORM OPINIONS.

WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT WERE TO SHOW YOU THE COST OF THE ITEMS YOU SELECTED TODAY, NOT RUN THROUGH THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'LL BE HERE ANOTHER THREE HOURS, WHICH YOU WANT TO. BUT THEN WE NEED TO EXPAND THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE OTHERWISE I'M DOING YOU A DISSERVICE. NO. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DO IS I THINK WE, WE HAVE I DON'T WANT TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT WE TELL THEM. AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE HIDING BECAUSE THIS IS A LARGER CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE WITH YOU.

RIGHT. I THINK, CHRIS, CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT THE ITEMS AS YOU TALK ABOUT AND LET US MAYBE START GOING BACK AND FORTH SO WE'RE NOT DOING IT? LET'S GO BACK TO WATER AND MAKE IT BLUE OR DO SOME COLOR WHERE YOU SEE IT, WHICH IS ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE SHOW.

LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. DID THEY SELECT ANYTHING THAT PUTS US OVER OUR BUDGETED AMOUNT? YES. OKAY. WHAT WAS THAT? AND HOW? WHEN WHEN ALLEGEDLY OPTION D, WHICH INCLUDED A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS WAS IN THE BUDGET.

WHAT DID THEY SHIFT OUT AND END THAT CHANGES THE BUDGET DYNAMIC WITH THE WE HAD WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF SHADE.

SO SO, SO HERE'S THE THING I WAS HOPING FOR BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF GOING OFF SCRIPT.

YES. THE THING WAS TO SAY TO THE COUNCIL, YOU'VE SELECTED OPTIONS.

THE NEXT THING WAS TO SAY, CAN YOU PRIORITIZE THEM FOR US? BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE GOT SO MUCH MONEY TODAY, AND THAT MONEY MAY SHIFT AND CHANGE OVER TIME, HOPEFULLY INCREASING SO THAT WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU VIA AN ORDER OF OPERATIONS, SO THAT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, WE'LL KNOW WHAT'S AN ADD, ALTERNATE OR NOT.

SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, MAYOR, CAN WE GO BACK IN? AND IF YOU GUYS COULD LEAD US THROUGH THE OPTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL SELECTED? YES. BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAID THE VOTES WERE AND I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE MEANT AND KIND OF HELPED TRY, TRY TO PRIORITIZE WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO TO SOME DEGREE LEAST IMPORTANT FOR YOU.

YEAH. THE INTENT WAS NOT TO GO IN THE SPREADSHEETS LIKE THAT.

SO LET'S GO BACK UP. YEAH, I KNOW, BUT THEN IT'S GOING TO DO A DISSERVICE TO THE ENTIRE GROUP BECAUSE WE CAN'T GIVE THE FULL INFORMATION.

JUST SPOT ON. SO LET'S START WITH THE FRONT AND TALK ABOUT THE WATER FEATURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN THE PROCESS.

AND LET'S COLOR THIS AS WE GO. THAT'S OKAY FOR US.

SO THAT IS $350,000. OKAY. AND THAT IS LOCATED AT THE FRONT.

SO CAN WE DO A CAN WE HIDE THE MONEY THING. I IF YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICES BASED ON MONEY, IT WON'T BE A TRUE, VALUE DRIVEN, VISION DRIVEN CHOICE, RIGHT? AND AND MORE THAN ANYTHING, I WANT YOUR VISION BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE MONEY FOR YOU.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO SLIDE THE MONEY COLUMN OVER.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT JUST WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

AND AS I TALK ON IT, WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM LEFT NORTH TO SOUTH.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. AND AS I GET HALFWAY I'M GOING TO HAND OFF TO STEVE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM. FAIR ENOUGH. ITEM ONE THE WATER FEATURE IN FRONT.

ARE WE DOING THIS AT ABC? ONE TWO, THREE? I'M JUST GOING TO GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.

STUPID. YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. YEAH.

LET'S JUST LET'S JUST SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY IF THAT'S A LOW, MEDIUM OR HIGH PRIORITY.

SO IS THE POND LOW, MEDIUM OR HIGH PRIORITY FOR US? MY OPINION. A ONE, 2 OR 3. I THINK IN THE SPREADSHEET CHART A ONE, 2 OR 3.

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YEAH, HE'S GOT A PRIORITY COLUMN. OH, THERE WE GO. YEAH.

SO WE'LL GO. ONE IS YOU CAN TAKE J THROUGH LIKE R AND AND RECORD EACH OF THEIR RESPECTIVE POSITIONS ON IT ONE 2 OR 3.

AND WE CAN MOVE ON FOR EACH ONE. YOU GOT IT. OKAY.

SO IF WE COULD PULL, WOULD THAT BE ALRIGHT. AND THEN WE, WE KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY STANDS BECAUSE AGGREGATING IT WON'T BE AS INFORMATIVE AS THE INDIVIDUAL RECORDATION. OH YOU GIVE THEM NAMES.

YEAH. GREAT. WE'LL GO RIGHT IN. WE'LL GO RIGHT DOWN THE ROW.

SHOOT. YUP. LET'S GO IN THE ORDER THAT YOU'RE SITTING.

SO IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR YOU TO BE IN GET. GIBBS.

GRAVES. GREAT IDEA. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE FREEZE THAT TOP ROPE? IT'S ALREADY FROZEN, I THINK. PERFECT. YEAH. IT'S FROZEN.

PERFECT. OKAY, SO, FOUNTAIN. LOW. MEDIUM OR HIGH PRIORITY.

TRAY TWO. MEDIUM TWO. COULD YOU PUT NUMBERS, PLEASE? TWO. ONE. TWO. THREE. LIKE THE MAYOR SAID. THANK YOU.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO GO WITH TWO BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE FULL COST YET SO.

211. WHAT'S LOW. THREE HIGH IS ONE THREE IS LOW.

OH IT'S LOW FOR ME. THREE. THREE FOR ME. THREE FOR ME AS WELL.

SO ONE IS I MUST I WANT IT, I WANT IT. THREE IS THREE, THREE TWO IS WHO CARES.

OKAY. WHAT'S THE NEXT FEATURE. SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

SHADE STRUCTURE. SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WERE SHOWING ARE THE SMALLER ONES.

SO NOT QUANTITY JUST SHADE STRUCTURES. THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS IN QUANTUM 111111 ALL ONES ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO WITH WITH THAT SAID, I WANT TO CAVEAT THAT WE'VE GOT 12 IN THERE.

IF IT MADE SENSE TO REALIGN THAT TO DO FEWER, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.

YEAH. WE'LL COME BACK. THERE'S STILL A HIGH PRIORITY. WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF HOW WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT LATER. I THINK IT'S OKAY. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING. MONUMENT SIGNAGE.

SO LET'S BE CLEAR ON WHERE THOSE ARE. WE HAD ONE AT THE CENTER AND WE HAD ONE COMING IN OFF OF MAIN STREET.

SO FRONT OF MAIN. AND WE'RE BOTH POINTING TO HERE TWO PRIMARY PLACES WHERE WE'RE GOING TO.

START FROM THE OTHER END, REECE. I MEAN TWO, I'M STILL NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE HELL IT'S ALL ABOUT, BUT ON THE MONUMENT THINGS. BUT IS IT? IF IT'S REALLY JUST FOR SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE IN A PARK? WHO IS IT? NO. I'LL BE. I'LL BE A THREE ON THAT.

I'M GOING TO SAY A ONE, TWO, THREE, TWO. NEXT SLIDE.

PLEASE. PLAY ON. SO THE PLAY ELEMENTS WE HAD THE WOOD KIND OF MORE SYNTHETIC ORGANIC KIND OF UP FRONT.

AND WE HAD THE MORE UTILITY IN HERE. SO THESE TWO ELEMENTS ARE HERE MR. ROBINSON. WE'LL GO WITH THE WITH THE TWO ON THAT ONE JUST BECAUSE OF THE MIX.

OKAY. 1112211.

AND LET'S GO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO.

PAVILIONS. SO THE PAVILIONS ARE THE LARGER X'S WHERE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE TWO IN THE DOG PARK.

THAT'S THESE BIGGER X'S. THOSE ARE LIKE 20FT RIGHT.

YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY NEED THEIR HARDSCAPE TYPE FEATURES, NOT FOUNDATIONS INCLUDED.

IT'S NOT I MEAN, IT'S TRULY A PHYSICAL ELEMENT.

1111111111 SOLD ONE GOOD POLLINATED AREA. SO THAT WAS THE AREAS TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY.

STEVE BACK HERE. YEAH. AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ON THE EDGES AND EVERYBODY SEEMED TO LIKE THAT.

BUT THOSE WERE THE TWO AREAS THAT SEEMED WHERE YOU GUYS LIKED THAT.

BECAUSE THE POLLINATOR AREA COST SAVINGS FEATURE THE MINIMUM.

OKAY. TO GET A COST SAVINGS, YOU GOT TO DO ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT AREAS.

GOT IT. IT'S MINIMUM 22111111 FOR MAYOR 2233. OKAY. WHAT? DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT? JUST THE FACT THAT THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE BATHROOMS RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT ON HERE? IT'S ARMY HAS LOST. OKAY, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S WE TALKED ABOUT CENTRAL IS IN HERE,

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OKAY. CAN WE AGREE THAT ANYTHING ANIMAL SHELTER RELATED IS A ONE PROBLEM.

EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT COVERED PLAY AREA? IS TURF ALL.

THAT'S A ONE OKAY I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO ALL THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND JUST THE ONLY THING WE REALLY DID HIGH LEVEL AT 30,000FT WAS JUST THE LARGE AREA, WHICH WAS AN AREA. EVERYTHING ELSE WE ALREADY HAD KIND OF GRANULARLY TAKEN ACCOUNT IS THAT I THINK THAT'S A12.

UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANOTHER OPINION, I THINK IT FALLS UNDER THAT UMBRELLA. MAYOR. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. I AGREE. ALL THE COURTS, WE'VE ALL AGREED THAT ALL THE COURTS ARE IN. RIGHT? WELL, THAT UP VERY TOP LINE. LET'S BE CLEAR. WE HAVE OUR PICKLEBALL SIX.

WE HAVE OUR SOCCER INFORMAL SOCCER FIELD. WE HAVE OUR THREE TENNIS AND OUR TWO BASKETBALL.

AND THERE WAS ANOTHER GAME THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PADDLE BALL. IF THAT HAPPENS IT WOULD BE A STOPPAGE THING ON YOUR TENNIS COURTS. IT'S A LARGER FORMAT.

WHAT'S SHOWN IS WHAT'S IN THE PRICE CURRENTLY. SO IF WE WANTED TO ADJUST QUANTITY OF THOSE AND QUANTITY PERFECTLY, ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT ASTROTURF ON THAT ONE PLAY AREA? THAT'S THE WOOD AREAS? I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE SYMPATHETIC OF SOME SORT FOR IMPACT.

YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ADORABLE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO, AND THEN WE BORDER IT WITH, AND I'LL SAY MAINTENANCE TO ALL THE TIME TO TRYING TO MOW AROUND THOSE FEATURES IN THERE OR WHATEVER. IF WE WERE KEEPING GRASS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WOOD THING.

RIGHT? DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? NO, I'M JUST LISTENING.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE? SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD QUANTITIES AND WERE INCLUDED IN THE SUBSECTION BELOW.

THE MAIN ITEMS IN OPTION A, ALL THE OPTIONS WHICH WERE REQUIRED TO FIX THE BASKETBALL SCORES OR SOMETHING.

YOU NEED TO SUM UP THE COLUMNS TO THE RIGHT. DO WE NEED TO DO THAT NOW? YOU NEED THAT NOW. WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. NO I THINK I THINK TAKE THIS BACK AND AGAIN ANALYZE THE DATA FROM FROM THE COST STANDPOINT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL IS WELL INFORMED ENOUGH ON WHAT THE COSTS ARE TODAY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE AN EDUCATED INFERENCE ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS TAKE WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED TODAY, WORK WITH STAFF AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING COMING UP, AND WE'LL FIRM UP SOME OF THE FINAL, FINAL DECISIONS AND THEN START TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE MORE DETAILED STUFF THAT WE TRIED TO STEP AROUND TODAY. THE ONLY ADDITION THAT I MAKE TO THAT, BECAUSE I SAW IT ON ONE D, IT WAS THE MILE MARKER, BUT IT WASN'T ON THERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE THE MILE MARKER THAT WAS ON ONE.

OH, CAN WE JUST SAY THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S IN THE PAVEMENT, BUT IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE THERE IS SOMETHING.

YEAH. IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT. IT'S LIKE A SIGNAGE THING, WHICH WE CAN SAY AS PART OF THE COOL.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF US IN THE TEAM AT ALL? COUNCIL COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. DAVID, WHEN DO YOU THINK WE MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE THE NEXT STEP? DON'T KNOW. OKAY. WISH I COULD TELL YOU. MAYOR.

WE'LL HAVE TO HUDDLE UP AS SOON AS WE CAN GET SOMETHING FIRMED UP.

I THINK WE'RE ROLLING DOWNHILL NOW. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

VERY IMPORTANT. IT WAS REALLY. WE WANT TO. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE EFFORT.

WE KNOW IT'S BEEN A PROCESS AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT IN.

I THINK THEY NEED TO HEAR IT. AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN STELLAR.

THE COMMUNICATION BACK TO OUR GROUP HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

IT'S ULTIMATELY FOR YOUR CITIZENS AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IN YOUR FIDUCIARY. SO FOR THAT, WELL DONE. AND LET'S KEEP THIS MOVING. SO WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE AND GLAD TO BE PART OF THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. ALL RIGHT THEN. IT IS 7:40 P.M. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

WOO HOO!

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.