Dec 15, 2025 City Council Work Session

[1. Call to Order]

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>> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, LADIES IN GERMAN. TODAY IS MONDAY, DECEMBER 15TH, AND THE COUNCIL HAS A QUORUM PRESENT IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF EACH MEETING -- WE DO BEGIN WITH CITIZENS INPUT. NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL DURING CITIZENS INPUT. I DO HAVE TWO REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS, BUT I'M GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK CLOSER TO THE ITEMS THEY ARE SPEAKING ON BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WANTED

[5.A. Receive presentation regarding Community Development and Parks and Recreation Departments Master Fee Schedule Update.]

FEE SCHEDULE UPDATE. >> DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF ALSO PRESENTING WITH MY COLLEAGUE, RYAN MULLINS, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION. THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE IS UPDATED SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025. AT THAT TIME, BOTH RYAN AND I WERE FAIRLY NEW INTO OUR THIRD MONTH . THOUGH WE ATTEMPTED TO TRY TO GET THAT INFORMATION --

>> PAUSE YOU FOR JUST ONE SECOND. COUNCIL, THERE IS A PACKET WITH THE POWERPOINT IN FRONT OF YOU IN CASE YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE PAPER VERSION INSTEAD OF THE SCREEN.

>> IT TOOK US A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO DO OUR ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT FEES AND THEN TO BENCHMARK THEM AGAINST ITEMS SUCH AS NEW CHANGES IN STATE LAW , SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES . WE COMPARED OUR CURRENT FEES TO ROCKWALL, GARLAND , PLANO, AND RICHARDSON. AND THEN AS WELL AS LOOKED COMPREHENSIVELY AT THE FEES AND NOTICED THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SERVICES WE SHOULD OFFER . SO THE CONSENSUS WAS TO TRY AND ALIGN OUR FEES WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES AND ENSURE THE CITY IS CAPTURING FEES THAT TYPICALLY PAY FOR SERVICES . SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION. SO WE WILL START WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU ALL KNOW, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS COMPRISED OF FOUR DIVISIONS. THE FIRST DIVISION WE WILL COVER TONIGHT IS THE BUILDING AND PERMITS DIVISION. PRIMARILY AS YOU WILL NOTE IN THESE CHARTS -- THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PAGES, THE FEES WE ARE INTRODUCING TONIGHT OUR FEES BEING ASSESSED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING ASSESSED CURRENTLY. THIS ONE FEE IS COMMERCIAL DEVICE IS A FEE THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY OFFER. WE LOOKED ACROSS THE CITIES THAT WE COMPARED TO AND CAME UP WITH WHAT WE THINK IS A REASONABLE FEE . THE SAME FOR COMMERCIAL OR PRIVATE OR PERMIT AND INSPECTION FEE . JUST KIND OF GENERALLY LOOKED AT WHAT THE OTHER FEES ARE BEING CHARGED . IN THE NEXT SLIDE THERE ARE STILL SOME ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES. AS YOU WILL NOTE AS YOU TAKE NOTICE OF THE ACTIVITIES IN AND AROUND THE CITY OF ROWLETT, WE ARE GETTING THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT . AND JUST IN TERMS OF CAPTURING THE ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE DUE, IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE INTRODUCE SOME OF THESE FEES. SO THE COMMERCIAL STANDALONE PLAN REVIEW, DOMESTIC WATER , REPAIR -- ALL OF THESE ARE FEES THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT BEING OFFERED BY THE CITY.

>> IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION HERE, ON THE RESIDENTIAL IRRIGATION, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT ONES. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. THIS IS FOR PLAN REVIEW FEE. IS THAT FOR NEW

CONSTRUCTION ONLY? >> THAT IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

CORRECT. >> OKAY. STRICTLY NEW

CONSTRUCTION. >> NOW, TO THAT POINT , MAYOR PRO TEM, THERE IS CURRENTLY A REINSPECTION FEE THAT WE HAVE AND YOU WILL NOTE THAT IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW IS AN ACTUAL FEE THAT WE CURRENTLY ASSESS, BUT IN CASE OF THE REINSPECTION FEE FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE LESS THAN 5000 SQUARE FEET AND/OR IF WE CONTINUE TO HAVE INSPECTORS TO GO OUT AND IT CONTINUES TO FAIL, WE ARE RECOMMENDING A MODERATE INCREASE FROM $50 TO $60. SO A 10% INCREASE. AND THAT WAS KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT WE PREPARED FOR SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. JUST KIND OF MOVING THROUGH THE LIST, RESIDENTIAL PREVENTION DEVICE .

INSTALL AND REPLACEMENT. SOME ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL

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IRRIGATION. >> IF YOU STOP RIGHT THERE, SO

WHAT IS THAT FOR? >> SO THAT IS FOR -- MAKE SURE I DID NOT DO A DUPLICATE -- SO ONE IS FOR A IRRIGATION LANDSCAPE PLAN REVIEW . THE OTHER IS FOR THE ACTUAL PERMIT FOR THE ACTUAL

-- >> WHAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND IRRIGATION COMPANY TO COME OUT AND CHANGE OUT THREE SPRINKLER HEADS, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE PERMITTING PROCESS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF . I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS VERY

CLEARLY DEFINED. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT POINT OF CLARIFICATION. IF IT IS ALREADY EXISTING IF IT IS SOMETHING AS MINOR AS CHANGING OUT SPRINKLER HEADS, THIS IS NOT THE PERMIT

YOU NEED. >> WOULD THAT BE THE SAME AS

BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES? >> CORRECT.

>> THEY HAVE TO PUT A NEW ONE IN. THEN THEY HAVE TO GO GET

ONE, CORRECT? >> SO YOU ARE SAYING IF IT IS JUST A REPLACEMENT FOR AN EXISTING ONE, THEY HAVE TO GET A

PERMIT FOR THAT? >> NO, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. WE ARE ASSUMING IT IS PERMITTED AT THE TIME THAT CONSTRUCTION BUILDING THE PERMIT, THIS IS ONE THAT WE HAVE NOTICED AND WE HAVE BEEN GETTING REQUESTS FOR. TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY . AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS NEAR AND AROUND US ACTUALLY HAVE THAT FEE. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT CURRENTLY IN OUR FEE SCHEDULE. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING THIS AS A FEE . I THINK WE HAVE COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT WERE COMING THAT WE GOT NOTICE OF AS A RESULT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES . BUT TECHNICALLY THE CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE DOES NOT HAVE WORK WITHOUT PERMIT. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO ADD THAT TRADITIONAL RESEARCH THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IS EVERYONE IS CHARGING THE

PERMIT FEE. >> SO IF I MAY INTERJECT, PLEASE, REGARDING BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES --

>> AND YOU MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON?

>> IT IS. REGARDING BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES , ABSOLUTELY IF IT IS BEING CHANGED OUT, THEN A PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR A BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICE. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT

POINT. THANK YOU. >> IS THAT -- SO IS THAT CODIFIED? BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IF THERE'S A FEW SPRINKLER HEADS THAT NEED REPLACING, THAT IS NOT. SO WHERE IS THAT LINE? AND IS IT BASED ON DISCRETION OR IS IT ACTUALLY

CODIFIED? >> IT IS CODIFIED, AND WE HAVE AN IRRIGATION PERMIT REQUIREMENT , AND THROUGH THAT, IT IDENTIFIES IF IT IS A NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM . IT IDENTIFIES THAT BECAUSE OF BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICE CONNECTS TO THE MANNER IN WHICH IT IS CONNECTED TO IT REQUIRES

INSPECTION AND PERMITTING. >> THANK YOU. OKAY.

>> IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WE HAVE THREE SECTIONS -- TWO SECTIONS. CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH. THE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU -- THIS CHART HERE. ALL OF THESE ARE CURRENTLY FEES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED THROUGH RESOLUTIONS.

YOU SEE THE RESOLUTIONS TO THE LEFT. THERE HAS BEEN IN MUCH OF OUR REGULATED AT THE STATE. SO WITH THE START OF THE NEW STATE YEAR , SEPTEMBER 1ST, THERE ARE SOME MANDATED FEES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO. SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE TYPICALLY UNDER THE JUSTIFICATION IS LEGISLATION 2025 WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING LINES DIRECTLY WITH THAT LEGISLATION THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE STATE.

SO IT INCLUDES FOOD SERVICE PERMITS FOR REGULAR AND MOBILE.

FULL-SERVICE. REGULAR NOT MORE THAN 5000 SQUARE FEET. LATE FEES PERTAINING TO THOSE BASIC FOOD SERVICE PERMIT , FARMERS MARKET PERMIT , AND THEN FEES WHERE THERE ARE MORE THAN THREE INSPECTIONS REQUIRED IN A SINGLE YEAR. AND THEN SPECIFIC TO MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS , WE CAN NO LONGER REQUIRE THOSE FEES.

AND SO WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT FROM THE FEE SCHEDULE. THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL FEES ASSOCIATED WITH NONPROFITS.

>> AND I JUMP IN REAL QUICK? ON THE PROPOSED FEE AMOUNT , ARE WE GOING WITH PROPOSED OR ARE WE GOING WITH AMOUNT?

>> SO THE AMOUNT WAS WHAT WAS INITIALLY ASSESSED. WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR -- WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR --

>> FOOD SERVICE PERMIT FOR REGULAR AND MOBILE WAS 300. WE

WOULD GO BACK DOWN TO 258? >> CORRECT. TO ALIGN WITH THE

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DSHS FEE . >> QUICK QUESTION. WHAT IS DSHS

? >>

>> DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES.

>> VERY GOOD. I CAN'T BE THE ONLY ONE WHO IS CURIOUS. MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE OR WATCHING ONLINE WOULD LIKE TO

KNOW AS WELL. >> ABSOLUTELY. AND SO BASED UPON OUR PROJECTIONS -- AND THIS IS CATEGORIZED BASED UPON A RANGE OF 0 TO 49 THOUSAND -- ALMOST 50,000 -- 50 TO 150. WE PROVIDED THE ESTIMATES IN TERMS OF THE PROJECTED REVENUE . I THINK THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED AT THE STATE LEVEL.

YOU WILL NOTE THAT WE INCLUDED FARMERS MARKET . RIGHT NOW WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ONE, BUT WE WILL. WE HAVE THIS FEE THAT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON WE DO HAVE AN APPROPRIATE FEE TO

CHARGE FOR THAT TYPE OF SERVICE. >> THANK YOU, DEREK. QUICK QUESTION. IS THIS AN ANNUAL FEE FOR THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS ?

>> YES. SOME OF THE FEES REQUIRE , FOR INSTANCE, IN SCHOOL AND NONPROFIT -- THEY REQUIRE TWO INSPECTIONS PER YEAR. SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF SERVICE PERMIT.

>> SO IF AND WHEN WE DO RESTORE THE FARMERS MARKET, IS THE $100 FOR EACH VENDOR OR $100 FOR THE MARKET ?

>> IT IS FOR THE MARKET. YES. >> LET ME INTERJECT. I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FARMERS MARKETS. THE TYPE OF FARMERS MARKETS WE PREVIOUSLY HAD WERE CITY SPONSORED. THIS WOULD BE A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

>> DEREK, ON THE -- $150,000 ANNUAL FOOD SALES LINE -- LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS SLIDE YOU HAD AND THE PREVIOUS FEE WAS 450, AND IT KIND OF SEEMED TO SCALE WITH THE ONES THAT CAME ABOVE THAT. REGULAR, FULL-SERVICE , 5000 SQUARE FEET.

AND THERE IS SOME SCALABILITY WITH THE 300, 350, AND 450. IS THE LEGISLATION A CAP OR LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF THE FEE OR A RECOMMENDED SET FEE LEVEL? HELP ME WITH WHAT THAT LEGISLATION CALLS FOR. AND CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC TO SAY THAT?

>> IT IS A CAP. >> SO WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SET THE FEE AT THE 773. THAT IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF,

CORRECT? >> YES.

>> SO HELP ME. IS THAT RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF LABOR AND MAN-HOURS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION? IS THAT 773 COMMENSURATE WITH THE SERVICE WE ARE PROVIDING OUR RESIDENTS BY DOING THESE INSPECTIONS ?

>> YES. BECAUSE THAT ONE IS ASSOCIATED WITH MORE THAN 5000 SQUARE FEET. SO IT IS TYPICALLY RESERVED FOR LARGE FOOD

ESTABLISHMENTS. >> OKAY. BECAUSE , I MEAN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 75 TO 80% INCREASE IN COST COMPARED TO WHAT WE ARE CHARGING TODAY AND IT IS OVERALL A PRETTY LARGE SUM. OKAY. YOU CAN CONTINUE. I'M JUST GIVING THIS SOME

THOUGHT. >> I WILL ALSO TELL YOU FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH THOSE SAME PROPOSED FEES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE WHOLE LOT OF OUR MUNICIPAL CLIENTS -- OTHER CITIES. AND ON

THE SAME SORT OF STRUCTURE . >> OKAY, SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL GO INTO OUR FINAL DIVISION WITHIN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS REALLY PREDICATED ON EITHER NOT BEING A CURRENT FEE OR THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES TO STATE LAW.

SO EARLIER THIS YEAR, COUNCIL ADOPTED DALLAS MORNING NEWS AS THE NEWSPAPER OF CIRCULATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE PUT IN ALL OUR PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES , AND ON AVERAGE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE , ANY PUBLIC HEARING ITEM WE BROUGHT INTO THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS WILL COST NO LESS THAN $350. AND SO TYPICALLY IF WE ARE DOING A CHANGE OF ZONE OR SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE , WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CAPTURING AT LEAST THAT PORTION OF -- IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL NEWSPAPER , THERE ARE SOME PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT DON'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE PAPER BUT WE STILL HAVE TO MAIL OUT, AND SO WE WANTED TO

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THESE ARE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE PRELIMINARY AND DEVELOPERS WILL COME IN THEY WILL SUBMIT PRELIMINARY APPLICATIONS. THE CITY OFFERS THE FIRST REVIEW FOR FREE. THAT PARTICULAR PROCEDURE OR THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT ABUSED. SO SOMETIMES APPLICANTS -- OFTENTIMES APPLICANTS WILL SUBMIT THREE AND FOUR PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS. THEY STILL REQUIRE THE SAME LEVEL OF REVIEW BY STAFF . THEY ARE JUST NOT PAYING A FEE. AND SO WHAT I PROPOSED TO THE CITY MANAGER IS, WE WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP THE FIRST REVIEW FREE, BUT IF AN APPLICANT CONTINUES TO SUBMIT A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, THEN WE NEED TO CHARGE SO THAT WE CAN RECOUP THE MONEY FOR STAFF. BECAUSE IF IT IS REALLY NO DIFFERENCE AND WE HAVE A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING VERSUS LOOKING AT AN ACTUAL APPLICATION. FINALLY, PLAT RECORDATION. I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY. WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH DEVELOPERS. OUR PROCESS FOR THE CITY IS THAT AFTER A PLAT IS APPROVED, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER TO GO AND RECORD THE PLAT IN THE RESPECTIVE COUNTY. EITHER IN DALLAS COUNTY OR ROCKWELL COUNTY. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY SIX OR SEVEN PLATS RIGHT NOW THAT WE CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO THE APP THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RECORDED. WHAT MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE AND I PROPOSE TO THE CITY MANAGER IS THAT WE WILL SIMPLY RECORD THE PLAT OURSELVES , PASS THE FEE ONTO THE APPLICANT, AND THEN CHARGE THE 10% . AND IT IS CRITICAL BECAUSE IF THE PLATS ARE NOT RECORDED TYPICALLY WITHIN 90 DAYS, THEN TECHNICALLY THE APPLICANT HAS TO START THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN. SO WE ARE TRYING TO REALLY HELP THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. PEOPLE FORGET. WE REMIND THEM. THEY STILL FORGET. SO IT IS JUST EASIER FOR US TO MAKE SURE AT THIS TIME WE ARE JUST GOING TO DO THE PLAT AS A PART OF OUR CLOSEOUT PROCESS WITH PLATS.

>> WHAT IS THE TYPICAL FEE FOR THE COUNTY?

>> IT VARIES. IT DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF PAGES. BUT THE PLAT RECORDATION FEE IS BETWEEN 49 AND $50, AND THEN THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR EACH PAGE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PRICES BETWEEN DALLAS COUNTY AND

>> CAN YOU GIVE ME A CEILING OF WHAT SOMETHING MIGHT BE?

>> YOU WOULD PROBABLY PAY NO MORE THAN 60, $65 FOR A PLAT

RECORDATION. >> I ONLY ASK BECAUSE 10% OF A LARGE NUMBER IS STILL A LARGE NUMBER. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. THE COLUMNS YOU HAVE FOR THE OTHER CITIES LISTED HERE. DOES THAT MEAN ESSENTIALLY NO OTHER CITIES WITH THE OPTION OF RICHARDSON ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT ARE CHARGING FEES?

>> PLAT RECORDATION FEES, FOR INSTANCE, LAST I CHECKED THEY DO KIND OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO NOW . SO WILEY, ROCKWELL, GARLAND.

THEY ALLOW THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT TO GO AND RECORD AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE CITY.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER FEES THAT ARE LISTED HERE? BECAUSE ALL OF THESEBOXES ARE BLANK AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR CITIZENRY LOOKING AT THIS THINKING WE ARE DOCKING FEES THAT ARE NOT COMMENSURATE WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE

DOING. >> IT JUST DEPENDS. THIS CHANGE -- WE HAD THE CITY CHANGE WITH STATE LAW. AS A RESULT OF THAT CHANGE, I THINK IF THEY HAVE NOT STARTED, THEY'RE GOING TO START DOING IT NOW JUST BECAUSE I THINK THIS WAS COVERED IN OUR JOINT MEETING. OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO NOT ONLY HAVE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES IN THE PAPER AND MAILING THEM OUT BUT THEN ALL THESE OTHER ACTIVITIES. SO I HAVE BEEN CHECKING WITH MY PEERS. I WAS TELLING THEM WHAT I WAS PROPOSING. I SUSPECT THAT MANY OF THEM WILL FOLLOW SUIT.

>> MAYOR, CAN I GET SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT TO THAT? ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IN ADDITION TO THE FACT DEREK MENTIONED THAT THIS -- SOME OF THE NOTIFICATION PROVISIONS HAVE CHANGED. THE OTHER THING NOT REFLECTED HERE THAT YOU FIND MORE COMMON IS THESE FEES ARE OFTEN EMBEDDED IN APPLICATION FEES . IT ISN'T THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR NOTIFICATIONS OUT OF THEIR POCKETS AND GENERALLY LIKE WE DO. THEY ARE EMBEDDING THOSE FEES IN OTHER FEES. AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE PAYING AND WHY YOU'RE PAYING IT AND ACTUALLY

RECOUP SOME OF THAT MONEY. >> SO I THINK WHAT I WOULD

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>> NORMALLY IT'S GOING TO BE A PLAT APPLICATION FEE OR ZONING CHANGE FEE. THOSE FEES WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS THAN SOME OF THE

COMPETITORS. >> OKAY.

>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID NOT OFFER A RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THOSE FEES. SO THOSE FEES WILL REMAIN THE SAME. CHANGE OF ZONE, PLAN DEVELOPMENT . ALL OF THOSE WILL REMAIN THE SAME. WHAT WE ARE JUST EXTRACTING OUT IS THE SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING LISTING.

>> RIGHT. THIS IS ONLY TO CHARGE FOR THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER OR APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SEND THAT RIGHT NOW THE CITY IS EATING THE COST OF.

>> AND I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WE PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS TO MAKE THOSE NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE WITH THE MAILINGS DEPENDING ON THE DENSITY OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

I THINK WHAT I'M MISSING IS, WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING ? WHEN WE HAVE THIS TABLE APPEAR THAT SHOWS OTHER CITIES EFFECTIVELY ARE NOT DOING THIS, MY QUESTION WOULD BE , IF THEY ARE NOT, HOW ARE THEY RECOUPING THOSE DOLLARS, AND IF IT IS THROUGH AN APPLICATION FEE, CAN I SEE THAT?

>> WHAT I DON'T SHOW HERE AND , TO YOUR POINT, I UNDERSTAND THE ABSENCE OF HAVING THIS -- SIMILAR FEES , LET'S SAY, IN GARLAND OR SEXY WOULD HAVE A HIGHER FEE THAN WHAT WE CHARGE IN OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO THEY HAVE INCORPORATED THIS PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AS PART OF THAT OVERALL I -- APPLICATION PROCESS. WHEN WE WERE DOING A COMPARISON, THEY WERE PROBABLY FIVE, SIX, $700 MORE FOR THE SAME APPLICATION AND INCORPORATING THOSE FEES. I CAN TELL YOU HAVING HAD CONVERSATIONS, I THINK WE KIND OF GOT OUT IN FRONT. EVERYONE IS NOW REIMAGINING THE THINKING THROUGH HOW THEY ARE GOING TO WREAK THIS MONEY. THE OTHER THING TO NOTE FOR OUR CITY AS WELL IS IN ADDITION TO THE 200 FEET WE ALSO DO A COURTESY 300 FEET. SO THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE NOT INCORPORATED OR, RATHER, THEY DON'T HAVE AS PART

OF THEIR FEE STRUCTURE. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> SO THIS JUST KIND OF ROUNDS OUT. AND YOU WILL NOTICE IT SAYS PROJECTED REVENUE. IS NOT NECESSARILY REVENUE, PER SE, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE. IT IS MORE SO THE ACTUAL COST IF WE KIND OF ANTICIPATE 39 CASES. WE HAD ABOUT 39 CASES THIS YEAR.

AROUND THAT NUMBER THAT REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS IN BOTH THE

NEWSPAPER AND BY MAIL. >> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. I DID REVIEW THE STATE LAW -- THE 212.906 -- THOSE THINGS THAT CAME IN. AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE CHARGING FEES THAT ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE ACTUAL COST OF THE REVIEW, THE INSPECTIONS, AND THE ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE IT DID SAY THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE WRITTEN COST , SHOWING HOW THE FEE IS CALCULATED , TYING IT TO STAFF TIME, HOURLY RATE , AND DIRECT COST. SO WILL THAT BE ON THE WEBSITE SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE FEES ARE COMING FROM?

>> YES. PART OF THE ANALYSIS OF THIS , WE LOOKED AT STAFF HOURS , THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS WILL HANDLE -- FOR INSTANCE, MANY OF THE PLANNING DIVISION CASES WILL GO TO OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, SO IT IS NOT JUST ONE DIVISION, BUT IT TOUCHES THE HANDS OF FOUR DIFFERENT, FIVE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS IN TERMS OF THAT, BUT THAT GOES INTO THE MAKEUP OF WHAT THE RECOMMENDED FEE IS GOING TO BE. AND IF THE FEES ARE ADOPTED, WE CERTAINLY PUT A NOTE TO SAY THIS IS HOW INAUDIBLE ] SOME OF THESE FEES. THESE ARE THE FEES WE JUST DID HAVE. WE WERE EITHER PROVIDING THE SERVICE WITHOUT CHARGING -- WELL, THAT IS WHAT WE WERE DOING. PROVIDING THE SERVICE

WITHOUT CHARGING. >> I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

I JUST WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THE PROCEDURE AND HOW WE

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CALCULATED . >> COUNCILWOMAN, ANY OF THE FEES, TO YOUR POINT, THAT REQUIRE SOME FORM OF PROOF WILL ENSURE THEY ARE PRESENT AND ON THE SITE. YOUR POINT IS VERY

CLEAR. >> I DO HAVE A SIMILAR QUESTION.

I WOULD LIKE OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I READ THAT , AND I THINK THERE IS SOME SPECIFICITY THAT THE LEGISLATURE MAYBE HAS PUT IN ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF FEES WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA WHAT SORT OF FEES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

>> IT IS NOT EVERYTHING. IT IS REALLY DEVELOPMENT RELATED FEES.

>> OKAY. AND THE IDEA IS TO GET KIND OF AN HOURLY RATE FOR EACH

OF THE -- >> AND MOST CITIES STATUS BY THAT SIMPLY BY -- FEES ARRIVED AT BY TAKING AN AVERAGE OF THE WORK HOURS ARE FORMED BY STAFF . OFFICE OVERHEAD, ET CETERA.

>> OKAY. DOES THAT HELP? >> YEAH.

>> THANK YOU. >> EVEN THOUGH THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT, WE DO HAVE THAT FOR ALL OF OUR FEES, CORRECT?

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND SO THAT CONCLUDES THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT'S PRESENTATION . THERE ARE NO

FURTHER QUESTIONS --? >> ADJUST THAT UP A LITTLE.

SORRY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. PARKS AND RECREATION. WHAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT OUR FEESFOR INCREASING THE ADMISSION PRICES TO THE TOOK A COMPARABLE OTHER CITIES. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO COMPARE WATER PARKS. THEY ARE NOT REALLY APPLES TO APPLES DEPENDING ON SIZE, AMENITIES. I LOCATED SOME I THOUGHT WERE SORT OF ON THE SAME VEIN. SOMEWHERE A LITTLE BIGGER, BETTER. MAYBE NOT BETTER. A LITTLE LARGER FACILITIES , WE WILL SAY. THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS THE FEE FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE 48 INCHES OR TALLER. MOVING THERE FROM $10 TO $12. THAT ESTIMATED IMPACT OF ABOUT 15,000 PRINT WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS TAKE AN AVERAGE OF WHAT WE SOLD IN THOSE ADMISSION RATES FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS WITH THE TWO DOLLAR INCREASE. FOR THE NONRESIDENT, LOOKING AT A THREE DOLLAR INCREASE MOVING FROM 12 TO 15. THE ADMISSION FOR A RESIDENT UNDER 48 INCHES TALL -- MOVING THERE FROM NINE DOLLARS TO 11. NONRESIDENT , $11 TO 14. SIMILAR TO ALL OF THIS LOOKING AT A TWO DOLLAR INCREASE FOR ALL RESIDENT RATES AND A THREE DOLLAR INCREASE ON ALL NONRESIDENT RATES. SO FOR THE SENIORS, MOVING THAT FROM 60 AND OLDER -- MOVING FROM EIGHT DOLLARS TO 10. NONRESIDENT FROM 8 TO 13 BECAUSE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY EIGHT DOLLARS AND AT EIGHT DOLLARS THE NONRESIDENT WAS THE SAME AS THE RESIDENT. HERE WE HAVE SEASON PASS FEES.

LOOKING AT A SEASON PASS HOLDER FOR SINGLE SEASON PASS HOLDER OVER 48 INCHES TALL MOVING THAT FROM $50 FOR THE SEASON TO $60.

FOR THE NONRESIDENT, 60 TO 80. UNDER 48 INCHES TALL FROM 40 TO 50. NONRESIDENT, 40 TO 60. SAME THING THERE. THEY WERE CHARGED THE SAME RATE. WE FELT THE NONRESIDENT RATE SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN THE RESIDENT RATE. FAMILY PASSES ARE PAID OUT PER PERSON IN THE HOUSEHOLD. MOVING THAT FROM $40 PER RESIDENT TO $50. AGAIN, THERE IS ANOTHER FEE CHARGING THE SAME RATE FOR NON-TRAN30 . LOOKING AT AN ESTIMATED INCREASE OF REVENUE IN ABOUT $64,000. MAY PUSH SOME MORE PEOPLE INTO BUYING SEASON PASSES. WITH THAT, STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE IF THIS IS A QUESTION OR WHAT . WE ARE LOOKING AT AN INCREASE OF 64,000 ROUGHLY IN REVENUE , WHICH I THINK IS ACCEPTABLE. ONE OF THE THINGS HISTORICALLY WE HAVE HAD A

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>> NO, SIR, THERE ISN'T. THEY GET DEPOSITED.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I'D ASK.

>> THEY CAN BE COSTLY. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID WITH LITTLE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN A POOL, I CANNOT EVEN ASK THAT DOWN. IT IS A LARGE SUM OF MONEY. IT IS BETTER TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

>> RYAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE DENTON WATERWORKS PAGE , WHICH SEEMS LIKE A NICE PARK . THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TIERS OF MEMBERSHIP YOU CAN PURCHASE . EACH OF THEM COME WITH, LIKE , DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PERKS . YOU KNOW, A FREE SOUVENIR CUP . AND YOU CAN GET REFILLS OR WHATEVER. ONE DOLLAR REFILLS, FOR INSTANCE. DO WE GIVE CONSIDERATION TO ANY STRUCTURE

LIKE THAT ? >> WE DIDN'T AT THIS TIME. SOME OF THE WATER PARKS DO THAT. SOME OF THEM DO NOT. I CONSIDERED IT A LITTLE BIT , BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A CLEANER APPROACH TO IT. I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE WRAPPED UP IN THOSE FEES INAUDIBLE ] SO WE FEEL OUR CONCESSIONS ARE VERY REASONABLE AND AFFORDABLE.

THEY ALSO SELL A MONTHLY PASS. >> WATERWORKS FACILITY ALSO HAS AN INDOOR COMPONENT TO IT .

DISTRICT AS WELL. IT HAS A YEAR-ROUND COMPONENT . A LITTLE HARD TO COMPARE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE SEASON PASSES, SOMETIMES THEY ARE MONTHLY FEES. THAT IS WHY YOU SEE UP THERE ON THE -- SOMETIMES THOSE DON'T FOR THE SEASON. IT IS FOR USE OF

AN INDOOR FACILITY. >> THAT VERY MUCH MAKES SENSE. I APPRECIATE THAT. IF WE ARE ONLY OPEN THREE MONTHS A YEAR, THAT DOES MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO DO A THREE MONTH -- MONTHLY PASS.

>> IS THERE A SEASON PASS FOR A SENIOR?

>> THERE HAS NOT BEEN ON THE FEE SCHEDULE. I HAVE NOT SEEN NUMBERS ON THOSE BEING SOLD. IT IS SOMETHING WE COULD ADD .

>> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF WE COULD.

>> I WOULD TOO. >> WE WOULD NEED MORE THAN TWO

-- NOT TO DISRESPECT YOUR VOTES. >> WOULD YOU ALL BE FINE WITH A SENIOR SEASON PASS STRUCTURE? YET.

>> ARE YOU THINKING TO MAKE THAT, SIR IT -- COMMENSURATE WITH THE PRICING SODA STRUCTURED THE SAME WAY IT IS FOR --

>> YES, I AM. >> I WOULD THINK YOU MIGHT PERHAPS WANT A REDUCTION. OTHERWISE THEY PAY THE SAME RATE

OR A RESIDENT OR NONRESIDENT. >> IS GOING. HOWEVER THEY DID

THE CALCULATION FOR THE OTHER. >> KIND OF THE SAME METHODOLOGY WHERE OUR OVER FOUR EIGHT TO $10. HAVE IT BE LESS.

>> WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A SENIOR FEE.

>> CORRECT. >> WE DO.

[5.B. Receive an update regarding the Government Community Achievement Award (GCAA) Grant Project. ]

[00:35:07]

>> IT IS FINALLY STARTING TO MOVE. WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT.

THERE WE GO. SO WE HAVE A GRANT THAT WAS AWARDED BACK IN '22 FOR $270,000. MOST OF THE COSTS WE'VE HAD COMING FORWARD HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT. IT FINALLY FOCUSED AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL ON THE TWO MEDIANS AT EITHER EDGE OF 66 AND WE ARE PROPOSING THIS DESIGN. 30% DESIGN . THEY ARE LOOKING AT OPTIONS THAT ARE MORE ZERO ESCAPED . TAKE LESS MAINTENANCE . THIS ONE HAS MORE HARD SCAPE IN IT -- THIS ONE VERSUS THE OTHER ONE. THEY ARE OF COURSE GOING TO BRING BACK THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND PLANTS AND SO FORTH. THE TOTAL COST ACTUALLY IS ESTIMATED STILL TO EXCEED THE GRANT AMOUNT . THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO COME BACK AND ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE GAP. SO THEY WILL BE COMPLETING THE GAP AND THE FUNDING FOR US. THEY WILL MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

] AS YOU SAY , ONCE WE GET TO JUNE WITH 100% PLANS, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD -- THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROLE IN THE DESIGN. IT IS ULTIMATELY THEIR DESIGN AND THEY MANAGE THE PROJECT. SO THERE IS NOT ANY FUNDING THAT COMES FROM US AT ALL. SO THAT IS THE UPDATE. AND I WILL KEEP YOU APPRISED AS THINGS MOVE FORWARD.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. JUST REAL QUICK , ON THE IRRIGATION, WHICH HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC, WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IRRIGATION? BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE ISSUE WE HAVE RUN INTO NOW. IT DOES NOT HAVE IRRIGATION. SO HOW'S THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED AND WHAT RESPONSIBILITY AND WHAT COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED?

>> THEY ARE REINSTALLING THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. THAT IS PART OF THE PROJECT. THAT WILL BE THEIR COST. ONGOING MAINTENANCE

OF THE FACILITY WILL BE OURS. >> OKAY. SO IT WILL BE THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS PARKS TO KEEP THE ACTUAL IRRIGATION GOING.

>> REAL QUICK. I MUST SAY THAT I' A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT WE DON'T GET TO HAVE INPUT ON THIS BECAUSE THE CENTER MEDIANS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE THAT WE COULD DO TO KEEP PEDESTRIANS OFF OF THEM. NOT DOING CARTWHEELS ON THEM AND SLEEPING ON THEM AND SOME OTHER THINGS. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF WE COULD DO THAT. BUT IF WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

>> SO I WILL GIVE A LITTLE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ON THE GCAA BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THAT WORLD FOR A WHILE. WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED TO COUNCIL IN 2022, WE WERE INVITED DOWN TO AUSTIN TO ACCOMPANY KR BE TO RECEIVE THE GRANT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. AND SO WE HAVE HAD THAT GRANT ON THE DOCKET SO TO SPEAK SINCE 2022. I WILL SAY IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT WE UTILIZE THESE FUNDS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY MICHELLE WITH KR B, TEXAS IS PULLING BACK FUNDING FOR KEEP TEXAS BEAUTIFUL, WHICH IS GOING TO KEEP PULLING BACK SOME OF THESE AWARDS AS WELL. AND IF THEY DETERMINE WE ARE NOT USING THE GRANT WE WERE AWARDED THREE YEARS AGO, IT IS LIKELY THEY WILL RECOUP THAT IN SOME WAY. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT WAYS TO USE THIS, WE LOOKED AT THE MEDIANS -- ALL THE MEDIANS, BASICALLY. AND YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT. THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS KIND OF A DISASTER FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. IT

WORKED. IT DID WORK. >>

>> STAFF WENT OUT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF

>> THAT IS GOOD NEWS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THAT WAY BEFORE . THE CONTROLLERS AND THE LINES AND THE HEADS AND EVERY THING ELSE WERE NOT COMPATIBLE. FROM A DIFFERENT COMPANY. I DON'T KNOW.

SOMETHING WAS NOT RIGHT. AND SO WE LOOKED AT HOW TO DO THAT AND WE ACTUALLY HAD MEMBERS OF PARK STAFF IN 2022 GO OUT AND TAKE A

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>> I'M TRYING TO THINK. IT SEEMS LIKE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LANDSCAPE COMPANY CONTRACTED TO DO MEDIANS. I KNOW I HAVE SEEN -- I THINK IT IS DOUBLE D OUT THERE.

>> TRUCK CONTRACTOR

>> WHAT IS THE DELINEATION OF RESPONSIBILITIES ?

>> I COULD NOT TELL YOU THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT. WE GOT SOME CONTRACT TERMS. ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO. OUR CREW WILL MAKE SURE THAT STUFF IS DONE THAT MAY BE OUTSIDE OF THAT

REGULAR MAINTENANCE. >> JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE CONTEXT ON THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT TXDOT WOULD CONSIDER , PRIMARILY THEY ARE LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE , BEAUTIFICATION ENHANCEMENTS. THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN SCIENCE IN ANY WAY. THAT WAS NOT REALLY ON THE TABLE. STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE ON THE TOPIC OF GUARDRAILS IN PARTICULAR. WHEN WE LOOKED AT WAS PERHAPS THE ADDITION OF A GUARDRAIL ON THE SMALL 66 BRIDGE THAT CROSSES A SMALL STRETCH OF LAKE THERE AND PERHAPS SEPARATING IF THERE COULD BE A SHOULDER WITH A WALKING PATH OR SOMETHING. THERE IS NOT REALLY MUCH OF A SHOULDER TODAY IN THAT AREA. THAT IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE LIGHTING ON THAT BRIDGE. WAYS TO INTEGRATE THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT THE CROSSING AT 66 AND MARTIN. WHETHER THERE WAS A WAY TO INTEGRATE THAT AS A FEATURE BECAUSE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS SHOULD LESSEN THE BURDEN ON THE ROADWAY. IT IS ALL ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION AND UPGRADES TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. BUT IT IS BEAUTIFICATION. SO THAT IS KIND OF MY RECOLLECTION OF THE HISTORY. I HAVE PROBABLY 8000 EMAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH MEMBERS OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, MEMBERS OF KEEP ROWLETT BEAUTIFUL, FORMER CITY MANAGER POSEY OFFICE WHERE WE TALKED AND TALKED AND TALKED AND NEVER REALLY GOT ANYTHING DONE. WE EVEN HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH TXDOT WITH PARTICULAR PROJECTS. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD. IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE DISAPPOINTING WHEN IT IS NOT AS MUCH SCOPE AS YOU WOULD HOPE IT WOULD BE. THOSE DOLLARS DON'T GO AS FAR AS THEY USED TO UNFORTUNATELY. OTHER QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK. I'M GRATEFUL TO SEE IN THE FINANCIAL PORTION OF THE PACKET THAT TXDOT IS WILLING TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE 270 AND ALMOST 350. SO THAT IS EXCITING TO SEE. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AT SOME POINT TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH KEEP ROWLETT BEAUTIFUL SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE THIS PROCESS IS MOVING ALONG SINCE THIS WAS A GRANT THAT WAS INITIATED BY THEIR LEADERSHIP ORIGINALLY. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF POSSIBLE. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ?

[5.C. Receive an update regarding Screening Wall Assessment. ]

CITY OF RESIDENCE. >> SHANNON . ROWLETT. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN AND ENGAGE WITH OUR CONCERNS. OUR SUBDIVISION IS NOT JUST A LOCATION ON A MAP. IT IS OUR HOME . IT IS WHERE FAMILIES HAVE BUILT THEIR LIVES, WHERE CHILDREN PLAY , AND WHERE ALL OF US NEIGHBORS LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER. THROUGH THE UNCERTAINTY SURROUNDING YOUR WALL, WE'VE REMAINED PRESENT, PATIENT , AND VERY HOPEFUL . TODAY -- STILL HERE, STILL BELIEVING , AND

[00:45:01]

>> THANK YOU . OUR NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE PATRICK .

>> PATRICK , ROWLETT. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SINCERELY THANK EACH OF YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED INVOLVEMENT AND SUPPORT REGARDING THE CITY'S REPLACING THE WALLS. YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED . QUITE A FEW OF US ARE HERE TONIGHT , INCLUDING RAMONA, WHO LIVES ON THE CORNER OF KLEE AND TROUT LAKE WHERE THE WALL HAS A MASSIVE HOLE IN IT.

OUR SUBDIVISION IS VERY MUCH HERE TODAY , PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE AND AT HOME. FAMILIES, HOMEOWNERS, NEIGHBORS WHO ALL CARE DEEPLY ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND ITS FUTURE. REMAIN HOPEFUL AND ENCOURAGED AS WE ANTICIPATE FROM US NEWS TONIGHT REGARDING THE PROGRESS OF YOUR WALL. YOUR EFFORTS HAVE GIVEN US CONFIDENCE THAT MEANINGFUL STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN TOWARD A SOLUTION. WE LOOK OVER TO MOVING AHEAD TOGETHER AND IN THE NEAR FUTURE SEEING THE COMPLETON OF A STRONG, BEAUTIFUL BRICK WALL THAT REFLECTS THE PRIDE WE ALL SHARE IN OUR CITY. IT WILL BE A RELIEF TO PUT THIS ISSUE BEHIND US AND FOCUS ON CONTINUED GROWTH , SAFETY, AND THE OVERALL WELL-BEING OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME, DEDICATION TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE POSITIVE

OUTCOME AHEAD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

DID WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I'M LOOKING AT YOU, FRONT ROW. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO BE SURE.

ALL RIGHT. DAVID, TAKE IT AWAY, PLEASE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL . I DON'T GET TOO MANY CHANCES TO TALK WITH YOU , SO AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS REGARDING SCREEN WALLS AS HAS BEEN REFERENCED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. ON TONIGHT'S MEETING AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS. YOU TASKED US WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM AND AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH YOU BEFORE, WE HAVE ENGAGED THE SERVICES OF A FIRM AND WE PROMISED TO BRING YOU BACK WHERE WE WERE BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE ARE ALSO HERE TO RECEIVE SOME DIRECTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRM WE SELECTED, THE SCOPE OF THE ASSESSMENT, PRELIMINARY INFORMATION RELATED TO THIS SCHEDULE AT LEAST FOR THE ASSESSMENT , FEEDBACK, AND TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. LET'S BEGIN WITH THE FIRM. WE HAVE KIND OF REFERENCED THE FIRM. THE FIRM WE SELECTED FORMALLY DID BUSINESS AS -- THEY ARE NOW DOING BUSINESS AS D.C. CM. THIS WAS AN ENGINEERING FIRM. ENGINEERING FIRMS ARE NOT SELECTED BASED ON PRICE BUT ON QUALIFICATIONS. I REACHED OUT TO FELLOW CITY MANAGERS WHO ARE IN CITIES THAT MANAGE SCREENING WALL PROGRAMS , AND THIS WAS THE FIRM THAT MANY OF THEM USED, SO WE REACHED OUT AND BEGAN DISCUSSING AN ASSESSMENT AND SCOPE OF AN ASSESSMENT WITH THEM AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH YOU BEFORE. SOME OF THE CITIES THAT HAVE USED THIS FIRM AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SLIDE -- PLANO, RICHARDSON, MESQUITE. THEY HAVE DONE VARIOUS LEVELS OF WORK WITH THOSE RESPECTIVE CITIES, INCLUDING ASSESSMENTS, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, DESIGN WORK, AND OTHERWISE, ALL RELATED TO SCREEN WALLS. SO THE SCOPE OF THE ASSESSMENT. WE ARE ASKING THEM TO LOOK AT SCREENING WALLS AND BASICALLY TO CREATE A CONDITION INDEX THROUGH THAT ASSESSMENT. RIGHT NOW THE SCOPE IS CENTERED AND FOCUSED ONLY ON THOSE SCREENING WALLS THAT ABOUT ALLEYS. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT

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WHEN THEY ARE DONE, THE DELIVERABLE WILL BE AN INVENTORY ASSESSMENT AND SOME DEGREE OF REPAIR, ET CETERA. PART OF WHAT WE DO THEREAFTER OF COURSE WILL DEPEND ON YOUR DIRECTION. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED IN TWO GROUPS. GROUP A WILL HAVE FIVE SCREEN WALL LOCATIONS. ONE AND TWO. SOUTH BAY ESTATES, CAMPBELL ESTATES , LAKE HIGHLANDS. AND THEN GROUP B WILL CONTAIN ALL OF THE REST OF THE QUALIFYING SUBDIVISION SCREENING WALLS. I'M SHOWING YOU THIS -- I HAVE KIND OF EXTRACTED SOME OF THEIR CHECKLIST JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THE ASSESSMENTS ON THESE SCREENING WALLS. COLUMN DIMENSIONS, CHIPPED OR PITTED MATERIALS, MISSING PIECES, DIRT . YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THEY WILL BE ASSESSING. SO WHEN WE BEGAN, THERE WAS KIND OF THIS PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WOULD BE ANALYZED. YOU CAN SEE THERE BEFORE WE INITIATED THE PROJECT, ROWLETT ROAD HAS APPROXIMATELY 4300 LINEAR FEET OF SCREEN WALL QUALIFYING. DOW ROCK, 4900. YOU CAN SEE MILLER THERE WITH 2400 LINEAR FEET OF SCREEN WALL ABUTTING ALLEYS. IN TOTAL, APPROXIMATELY 11,600 LINEAR FEET THAT ARE IN SCOPE . AGAIN, ABUTTING ALLEYS . SO THE SCHEDULE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SCHEDULE WITH YOU BEFORE. WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO EXPEDITE THIS. THEY HAVE DONE SO IN PART BECAUSE WE MOVED IT ALONG A LITTLE BIT FASTER OURSELVES WITH RESPECT TO REVIEWING THE SCOPE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS RELATED TO IT. AND THEN OF COURSE GETTING YOUR OKAY TO GO FORWARD. AND YOU CAN SEE THE SCOPE THERE. WE HAVE GIVEN THEM NOTICE TO PROCEED.

THEY SHOULD HAVE BEGUN THE INVENTORY AND INSPECTION AND WE EXPECT TO RECEIVE THE ASSESSMENTS FROM GROUP A BY JANUARY 8TH. YOU CAN SEE THEREAFTER THERE IS A PERIOD OF REVIEW AND COMMENT . WE ARE GOING TO EXPEDITE THAT AND SO THAT CAN REDUCE THAT TIMEFRAME . AND THEN THE GROUP B SUBMITTALS ARE DUE TO US FEBRUARY 12TH. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO KIND OF TRANSITION A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IS AN ASSESSMENT, BUT THEN WHEN WE GET THE ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING WALLS, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE DO THEREAFTER? PART OF OUR CONVERSATION ON GOING IS, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE CONSIDER SOMETHING ELSE? AND SO WE HAVE ASKED THEM FOR HIGH-LEVEL ESTIMATES BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AND TABULATING BIDS FOR OTHER CITIES. WHAT ARE SOME COST CONDITIONS THEY ARE SEEING IN THE MARKETPLACE ? AS YOU CAN SEE, WE WILL START WITH SCREEN OPTION ONE, WHICH IS SINGLE WITH. THAT IS THE CORRECT SPELLING. IT HAS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES LIKE EVERY OTHER METHOD. IT IS A TRUE MASONRY PRODUCT . A FAIRLY COMMON METHOD . YOU CAN SEE THE ASSOCIATED ESTIMATED PRICE . APPROXIMATELY $600 PER LINEAR FOOT. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE ASSOCIATED TOTAL FOR THOSE SCREEN WALLS ' ABUTTING ALLEYS. THE OTHER OPTION OR COMMON OPTION ARE PRECAST CONCRETE WALLS. THEY HAVE ADVANTAGES AS YOU CAN READILY IDENTIFY OF TEXTURE AND VARIETY OF DESIGN AND COLOR. THEY ARE VERY DURABLE. THEY CAN PROVIDE A BIT MORE EFFICIENT REPAIR THAN WOULD YOUR ORDINARY MASON WALL .

THEY ARE AGAIN A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN TRADITIONAL MASONRY WALLS .

YOU CAN SEE THE ASSOCIATED PRICE. $575 PER LINEAR FOOT .

AGAIN, THE ESTIMATED TOTAL. THE THIRD OPTION THAT WE ASKED FOR -- HIGH-LEVEL ESTIMATES ON WHERE VEGETATIVE SCREENING WALLS .

AGAIN, WE HAVE TRIED THEM HERE, BUT THEY ARE SUCCESSFULLY DONE IN OTHER PLACES. THEY ARE A VIABLE OPTION. WE WANTED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND PRESENT IT TO YOU. THEY HAVE ADVANTAGES IN

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID NOT MENTION, AND I SHOULD, THAT ALL OF THE ESTIMATES INCLUDED REMOVAL OF EXISTING SCREENING WALLS AT $75 A LINEAR FOOT PRICE POINT. SO IF YOU WANTED TO TALK WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND LABOR AND MATERIALS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE WALL, JUST SUBTRACT THE FIVE DOLLARS FROM ANY OF THE ESTIMATED COSTS THAT I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU. SO WE GOT TO PAY FOR IT . AND SO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU ARE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU FOR SOME HIGH-LEVEL DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK . OPTION ONE IS NEW DEBT. OVER 20 YEARS, WE'VE GOT 1.5 MILLION IN EXISTING PROJECT ACCOUNT. YOU COULD ISSUE ANOTHER -- AGAIN, WE ARE ESTIMATING AT THE HIGHEST PRICE POINT -- $9.5 MILLION IN 20-YEAR DEBT INSTRUMENT. BROKEN DOWN IT'S APPROXIMATELY $700,000 INS PAYMENT, WHICH EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY ONE CENT ON THE TAX RATE. OR YOU COULD COUNTERBALANCE THAT AGAINST YOUR DEBT CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT IN

OTHER CONVERSATIONS. >> CAN YOU HELP ME WHERE THE 11

MILLION IS COMING FROM? >> YEAH. I THINK WE WERE LOOKING

AT -- >> I'M SORRY, SIR. I LOOKED AT

THE 11,000 SQUARE FEET. >> IT REALLY SHOULD BE 7 MILLION. SO THAT WOULD REDUCE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY. OPTION TWO , WHICH PROBABLY WOULD BE A MORE PALATABLE OPTION, IS A $2 MILLION PER YEAR PAY AS YOU GO, IF YOU WILL. YOU CAN FUND THAT VIA DEBT. START WITH 1.5 IN THE EXISTING PROJECT ACCOUNT. YOU COULD ISSUE DEBT INSTRUMENTS THEREAFTER. THE DEBT PAYMENT ON THAT IS APPROXIMATELY $150,000 A YEAR. .2 CENTS ON THE TAX RATE .

OREGON, YOU COULD COUNTERBALANCE THAT AGAINST USING UP EXISTING DEBT CAPACITY. AND OPTION THREE INVOLVES SOME USE OF GENERAL FUND RESERVES. CORRECTING FOR CALCULATION ERROR . YOU WOULD STILL -- WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU YOU WOULD STILL TAKE US CLOSE TO OUR GENERAL FUND POLICY. WE ARE CURRENTLY PROJECTING ABOUT $42 MILLION -- ALMOST $43 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 26. YOU HAVE KIND OF INTIMATED YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO USE SOME OF THAT FUND BALANCE TO PAY . CERTAINLY PAYING FOR FUNDING TOTALLY OR UP FRONT RCC REPAIRS TO THE TUNE OF $5 MILLION AS A HIGH-LEVEL ESTIMATE. AGAIN, THOSE ARE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU. SO WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND TALK BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS WHERE I NEED FEEDBACK. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE CORRIDORS. YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THEM FOR US BEFORE . KIND OF WANT TO REITERATE THEM NOW AND REAFFIRM . THOSE ARE THE CORRIDORS.

MILLER , DELL ROCK , ROWLETT ROAD. THE OTHER THING IS -- AND THIS IS PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT -- WHEN THE MAYOR LIFT PROGRAM, IT WAS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM. MANY OF YOU IN YOUR FEEDBACK TALKED ABOUT UNIFICATION EFFORTS AND UNIFORMITY. THIS MIGHT NOT GET YOU THAT LEVEL OF UNIFORMITY.

I'M NOT SAYING IT DOES NOT GET YOU BEAUTIFICATION. I WANT TO DISTINGUISH BEAUTIFICATION, WHICH IS TERRIBLY SUBJECTIVE, WITH UNIFORMITY. OKAY. STOPPING HERE FOR A MOMENT, ARE WE ON THE RIGHT PATH WITH ONLY LOOKING AT THOSE THAT ARE ABUTTING ALLEYS ?

>> SO MY FEEDBACK ON THAT IS, YES, BUT -- PRIMARILY BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SCREENING WALLS THEMSELVES , THOSE THAT ABUT ALLEYS MIGHT ALSO HAVE A SMALL PORTION OF THEM THAT ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT IS MY YES, BUT -- WHICH IS THAT IF THE MAJORITY OF THE WALL ABUTS AN ALLEY BUT IS CONTINUOUS WITH A SECTION THAT DOES COINCIDE WITH

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SENSE ? >> NO, SIR. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO ENCOUNTER THAT CONDITION. IT IS SO NUANCED THAT GIVEN THAT -- AND WE CAN TRY TO AMEND THE SCOPE FOR THEM. I GUESS I UNDERSTAND YOUR WORDS.

BUT GENERALLY , ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE ABUTTING

ALLEYS ? >> GENERALLY, YES. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THOSE INSTANCES -- AND ESTATES WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ON YOUR LIST TO BE INSPECTED AND THAT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. THAT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A WALL, WHICH IS PRIMARILY ABUTTING AN ALLEY , AND THEN TURNS AT THE ENTRANCE

TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> YOU WILL SEE, DOES IT INCLUDE SUBDIVISION ENTRANCE FEATURES ? AND I THINK THAT WOULD CAPTURE IF I AM RIGHT THE NUANCE YOU ARE SPEAKING TO BECAUSE WHEN IT TRANSITIONS, IT KIND OF GOES INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT REALLY ULTIMATELY TURNS INTO A SUBDIVISION FEATURE.

>> AND THAT IS WHERE I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED SO THAT THERE IS CONSISTENCY IN THE CONTIGUOUS PART OF THE WALL THAT MIGHT LEAVE THE ALLEY, MOVE ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY AND ESSENTIALLY THE FENCE OF, LIKE, FOUR HOMES AND MAYBE ALSO A SUBDIVISION ENTRANCE FEATURE. I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THE ENTRANCE FEATURE NEEDS TO HAVE THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS IT HAS TODAY WITH PLANTERS AND WATERFALLS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE A WALL. IT NEEDS TO BE A STRUCTURALLY SOUND , BUILT OF THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE WALL THAT SEPARATES THE ALLEY FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THOSE THINGS.

>> SO LET'S GO BACK BECAUSE I WANT TO BE FAIR TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND MAKE SURE THERE IS AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO GO TO WHAT WOULD BE CLEARLY CONSIDERED PRIVATE PROPERTY AND BEGN TO REPAIR THOSE . AND YOUR CAVEAT IS, ONLY IF IT WERE TRANSITIONED FROM ALLEY TO PRIVATE .

>> I THINK SO. YES. IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU.

>> I THINK SO. FEEDBACK, COUNCIL, DOES EVERYBODY

UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GETTING AT? >> I THINK I UNDERSTAND. GOING BACK TO THE SUBDIVISION ENTRANCE FEATURES , MY CONCERN WOULD BE , IF THIS DOES NOT INCLUDED, WE REPAIR THESE WALLS UP TO A POINT AND YOU HAVE GOT DETERIORATING ENTRANCE AREAS . I WANT TO BE CONSISTENT . I WOULD HATE TO SEE US HAVING A NICE WALL BUILT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND

THAT HAS FALLEN DOWN. >> RIGHT.

>> SO ARE WE SAYING THAT -- SO THOSE WINGS , THOSE PIECES THAT WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE ACTUAL WALL PART , SO IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME , BUT IF THOSE -- IF THAT SUBDIVISION WANTED TO BEAUTIFY THEIR ENTRANCE, THEN THEY COULD DO THAT, JUST NOT ON THAT WALL. THE AIR OF THE FLOWERS OR THE BUSHES OR WHATEVER IT WAS . BUT THE WALL WOULD BE THE SAME.

>> THAT IS MY THINKING. YES. >> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AN

ACTION PLAN OR AN ASSESSMENT? >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ASSESSMENT BUT I THINK WE ARE ALSO PLANNING FOR THE ACTION

PART OF THE POST ASSESSMENT. >> I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH INCLUDING THAT IN THE ASSESSMENT FOR ASSESSMENT PURPOSES. BUT I THINK ONCE WE HAVE THE ASSESSMENT , THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT MAY NEED A WALL AND SOME AREAS THAT PERHAPS VEGETATIVE WALL WOULD WORK . AND I THINK BEFORE WE SAY EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE, I THINK WE NEED THE ASSESSMENT FIRST. I AGREE. I THINK THE ASSESSMENT SHOULD INCLUDE THAT. THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT IS THE ACTION PLAN WITHOUT ASSESSMENT FIRST .

>> I AGREE. AND TALKING ABOUT THE LIVE WALLS AND THINKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT DOWELL ROCK NORTH OF THE ESTATES THERE ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE IT IS PRETTY MUCH JUST VEGETATION NOW THAT LOOKS PRETTY BAD. BUT YOU DID SEE THE PICTURES OF THE HOLLY TYPE SCREENING WALLS, WHICH IF YOU GO INTO WATERVIEW RIGHT THERE ALONG THE POOL AREA, YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL BLOCKS FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO IT IS ACCEPTABLE. SO AS WE ARE DOING THE ASSESSMENT, ARE WE DOING ASSESSMENTS SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DOWELL ROCK CORRIDOR IN THIS CASE, THE ASSESSMENT WILL OBVIOUSLY INCLUDE EXISTING SCREENING WALLS THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF REPAIR BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET ARE WE ALSO GOING TO BUILD IN AN ASSESSMENT FOR THOSE ALLEYS THAT STRIP BETWEEN ALLEYS AND DOWELL ROCK ROAD ON THE EAST

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GETTING CONFUSED LOOKS. >> RIGHT NOW WE ARE ONLY EVALUATING THE EXISTING SCREEN WALL AREAS WHERE THE SCREEN WALL HAS ALREADY BEEN REMOVED AND A VEGETATIVE FEATURE HAS BUT -- BEEN PUT IN PLACE.

>> OKAY. >> I HAD A QUESTION. IS IT DCCM ? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? THEY ARE DOING THE ASSESSMENT ON THE CURRENT WALLS UNDER WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABUTTING ALLEYS. ARE THEY ALSO PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT TYPE OF REPLACEMENT WALL? THEY ARE JUST DOING AN ASSESSMENT ?

>> THAT IS YOUR DECISION . ONCE YOU GIVE US AN ANSWER -- YOU DON'T NEED TO GIVE US ONE TONIGHT. YOU WILL TELL US WHAT

YOU WANT TO GO BACK WITH. >> OKAY. BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, THEY DON'T WANT TO OFFER ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU HAD A PICTURE UP THERE OF THE CONCRETE PREFAB . THEY WON'T COME WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THIS IS BETTER IN TERMS OF THE EXPENSIVE SOIL, BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THE EXPANSIVE SOIL VERSUS A SINGLE BRICK WALL.

>> I WOULD SAY NO, AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY. IT IS ALL RELATIVE TO MONEY AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. YOU CAN OVERCOME EXPANSIVE SOILS. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TREATMENT AND DEPTH OF FOOTING . IT COMES AT A COST. IT IS A MATTER OF YOU GIVING US FEEDBACK TO SHARE WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.

THAT IS WHY I WILL GO BACK TO THIS BB TO YOUR POINT. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE TYPICAL SINGLE WYTHE BRICK -- IT IS CERTAINLY GOING TO BE DURABLE. IT IS TRADITIONAL. AND IT COMES AT A COST. YOU GO TO A MODULAR CONCRETE PANEL WALL, SOME OF THE SAME DURABILITY, SOME DESIGN FLEXIBILITIES , SAME FOUNDATIONAL DESIGN NECESSITIES. THAT IS WHY YOU'VE GOT A SIMILAR PRICE POINT. AND SO IF YOU TELL US THAT YOU WANT BRICK , THEN THAT MAKES IT EASY. THEY CANNOT TELL US WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO US. SO ONCE WE TELL THEM WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO US , YOU KNOW, THEN THE CHOICE BECOMES WHICHEVER PATH WE GO DOWN.

>> MR. GIBBS? >> FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES, IF WE ARE GOING TO BASICALLY GO WITH CHECKING IT OUT TO SEE HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO COST , I WOULD LIKE FOR THE PRICE AS YOU ARE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT DOING AS TO HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO BE FOR THE WALLS FROM THE ALLEY AND THEN HOW MUCH WILL IT COST US TAXPAYERS FROM THE PUBLIC PROPERTY TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY

ON EACH SEGMENT. >> SO YOU WANT US TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE WHERE TRANSITIONS AND THE PRICE POINT

TRANSPARENCY. >> ALSO ON -- YOU SHOWED THE LIVE SCREENING WALL. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE, RIGHT? BUT I DID FEEL IN THAT PRICE FEATURE TO ALSO T- FACTOR IN HOW MANY PARK PEOPLE HOURS IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO MAINTAIN THE IRRIGATION AND THE WALL ITSELF BECAUSE IF IT IS GOING TO COST $195 PER LINEAR FOOT TO INSTALL IT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE LENGTH OF HOW LONG A BRICK WALL IS GOING TO LAST VERSUS A HOLLY BUSH, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE PARKS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE IRRIGATION AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSHES. SO SOMEHOW WE NEED TO ALSO FACTOR IN THAT MAINTENANCE COST AT THE LIVE SCREENING WALL PER YEAR SO WE ARE TRYING TO COMPARE LONGEVITY AND MAINTAIING WHAT WE OWN

ACROSS TIME. >> AGREE.

>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH EVERYONE HERE BECAUSE YOU MAKE A POINT. THIS IS SUPER HIGH LEVEL RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF INTRODUCE YOU TO SOME OF THESE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO GIVE YOU HIGH-LEVEL ESTIMATES OF WHAT THEY MIGHT COST SO YOU CAN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILWOMAN, WE HAVE HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAVE NOT REACHED THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS JUST YET. THERE IS A DISCUSSION OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND HOW THAT FACTORS OUT. PART OF THE CONVERSATION YOU HAVE TO BALANCE FOR US, COST VERSUS DESIGN OR OTHER COMPONENTS BEFORE WE SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIME BECAUSE ADMITTEDLY SOMETIMES WE SPEND A BUNCH OF TIME ON STUFF THAT DOES NOT BEAR FRUIT TO TRY TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS. I WOULD ASK YOU TO

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SCREENING WALLS WILL NOT BE AS DURABLE. THEY HAVE OTHER BENEFITS , BUT IF DURABILITY IS NUMBER ONE, WE WILL TAKE THEM OUT OF CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT IS AN ARGUABLE THEY ARE NOT AS DURABLE. BUT IF PERHAPS YOU ARE LOOKING TO BALANCE DURABILITY WITH SOME DEGREE OF AESTHETICS AND LOWER UP FRONT CAPITAL COSTS AND SOME DEGREE OF MAINTENANCE COSTS DOWNSTREAM, WE WILL FACTOR THAT IN. WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU IN THIS CONVERSATION, LIKE WHEN WE GET THE ASSESSMENTS BACK AND TALK TO YOU AGAIN. BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO START TO THINK THROUGH THOSE CONCEPTS OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT. AGAIN, UNIFORMITY. HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT COMPARED TO BEAUTIFICATION? SO.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE A NUMBER ON APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG THE

SCREENING WALL IS? >> I CAN GET THAT SHORTLY.

>> I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK -- OKAY. SO WE CAN CIRCLE BACK IN THIS MEETING TO THAT. I THINK SOMETHING THAT MAY BE LOST IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THIS 11,960 FEET OR WHATEVER YOU CAME UP WITH -- IS TALKING ABOUT REPLACEMENT OF 11,600 FEET -- TALKING ABOUT REPLACING ALL OF THE SCREENING WALLS THAT ABUT ALLEYS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE ON DAY ONE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT , COME IN, BULLDOZE EVERYTHING, AND COMPLETELY REPLACE ALL OF THOSE SCREENING WALLS THAT MEET THIS SPECIFIC CRITERIA. WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IS MAKING REPAIRS AND/OR REPLACING WALLS IN SUCH A STATE OF DISREPAIR THAT THEY JUST LOOKED TERRIBLE AND ARE POTENTIALLY A HAZARD BECAUSE OF FOUNDATIONAL MOVEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND YOU HAVE THESE PREFABRICATED PANELS THAT LITERALLY ARE FALLING OFF THE

WALL WHEN THESE SHIFTS HAPPEN. >> SO GO BACK TO YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU TALKED ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT FORWARDED BEAUTIFICATION. WITH DUE RESPECT, I FEEL LIKE THE MESSAGES ARE CONFLICTING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PERFORM WHAT IS ASKED OF US. I WILL TELL YOU WHY I SAY THAT. IF THE JOB IS TO GET OUT THERE AND REPAIR AN EMERGENCY, WE CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN TRY TO GO BACK AS CLOSE AS WE CAN DO LIKE MATERIAL -- AND COUNCILMEMBER BRITTON , THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDED REPAIR.

THEY WILL GIVE US A SENSE OF THAT. MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT , IF THE DIRECTION IS, GO AND FIX WHAT IS A DANGER , WE CAN GO DO THAT. BUT THAT DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TOWARD THE UNIFORMITY .

WHICH I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE HEARING IS FEEDBACK .

>> I THINK I DISAGREE BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN DO BOTH AND IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE . IN MY PRESENTATION, I GAVE A PRIORITIZATION OF WHERE WE START AND WHERE WE GO. YOU HAVE TO START WITH THE END IN MIND, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. DON'T JUST GO OUT AND COBBLE TOGETHER A WALL THAT IS DAMAGED. START WITH WHAT THAT WALL NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE 20 YEARS FROM NOW. TOTALLY APPRECIATE THE ASSESSMENT BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO GET US IN THE POSITION. BUT ONCE THAT ASSESSMENT IS DONE, THAT WALL OR THOSE WALLS SHOULD BE THE FIRST PRIORITY.

>> YEAH. WE DON'T DISAGREE. THAT IS KIND OF ORDER OF OPERATION. THAT IS KIND OF JUMPING A LITTLE AHEAD. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT IF WE HAD TO START SOMEWHERE, IF YOU HAVE AGREED THAT THESE BOUNDARIES ARE CORRECT THAT THE SCOPE OF THE ASSESSMENT AND THUS THE FUTURE ACTIONS ARE CORRECT -- AND YOU ALL DON'T AGREE ON IT YET, BUT IF YOU DO, THEN WE ARE GOING TO START WHERE THERE IS THE GREATEST NEED.

>> THEN I THINK PERHAPS SAYING THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO COST $7 MILLION IS ALSO JUMPING AHEAD BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT

TODAY. >> SIR, RESPECTFULLY, IF I DON'T BRING YOU A FULL SCOPE AND MAGNITUDE OF THE PROBLEM, YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO ME LATER ON AND SAY THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS STAFF DID NOT GIVE US A FULL UNDERSTANDING.

YOU MAY DISAGREE, AND I RESPECT THAT, BUT THIS IS OUR OBLIGATION TO YOU TO UNDER -- TO SHOW YOU THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT YOU COULD BE. YOU COULD DECIDE TO JUST DO LAKE BEND ESTATES, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT WE HAVE DONE OUR DUTY TO YOU AND GIVING THE FULL SENSE OF IT, AND YOU TELL US WHAT TO DO AND WE WILL

GO DO IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I'M LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO. BUT THEY WILL BE PRIORITIZED. PHASE ONE . PHASE ONE BEING WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. WE'VE GOT TO FIX THE ONES FALLING DOWN. PHASE TWO MAY BE A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW. I'M LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SEE WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS GOING TO BE, REALIZING WE ARE GOING TO BREAK THIS THING DOWN INTO MANAGEABLE BITES.

>> TOTAL COST IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN

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WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A REPORT THAT WILL HELP US PRIORITIZE BASED ON CONDITIONS, AND YOU ARE GOING TO HELP US DETERMINE THAT TOO. BUT SOMEWHERE IN THERE YOU WILL HAVE TOLD US WHAT TYPE OF WALL YOU WANT TO GO BACK WITH. HERE IS THE REASON I MADE THAT POINT TO YOU, MAYOR, SOMEWHERE IN THE CONVERSATION YOU ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL US , THIS ESTIMATE INCLUDES COMPLETE REMOVAL, WHICH YOU HAVE OPTIONS.

YOU COULD NOT COMPLETELY REMOVED. YOU COULD TRY TO REPLACE . IT IS WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE BEFORE. WE ARE GIVING YOU KIND OF A HIGH-LEVEL ESTIMATE. SO IT DOESN'T TO YOUR POINT NECESSARILY HAVE TO COST THAT MUCH, BUT WE HAVE TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT COULD COST. WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY FINAL DECISIONS NECESSARILY JUST TODAY, BUT I WANTED THIS DIALOGUE TO STIMULATE YOU AND ALLOW YOU TO COME BACK. BUT ARE YOU OKAY WITH REPLACING LIKE FOR LIKE? DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH SOMETHING ALTOGETHER NEW ? I THINK I HEAR VERY CLEARLY WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THE ASSESSMENT. PART OF THE ASSESSMENT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS PRIORITIZATION. WHAT IS WORSE, WHAT IS NOT? THE ACTION PLAN WILL FOCUS OBVIOUSLY ON FIXING WHAT IS WORSE, BUT IN DOING THAT, YOU MAY JUMP AROUND, AND ARE YOU JUMPING AROUND REPLACING WITH A NEW WALL TYPE, WHICH WILL THEN HAVE A WILTING AND PATCHWORK EFFECT , WHICH IF YOU ARE OKAY, I'M OKAY, OR DO YOU WANT TO JUMP AROUND REPLACING IN KIND ? AGAIN, WE DON'T NEED THAT DECISION TODAY, BUT I WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THESE CORRIDORS AND YOU START TO THINK

ABOUT IT. >> QUICKER THAN I THOUGHT. 1800 FEET USING YOUR DEFINITION OF THE PROJECTS. NOT JUST ALLEYS AND END TO END, INCLUDING THE PRIVATE AREAS . 1800 LINEAR

FEET. >>'S A REPLACEMENT OF THAT LENGTH OF WALL IS RIGHT AT $1 MILLION. AT THE $600 PER LINEAR FOOT, WHICH IS THE TOP END, INCLUDING REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING WALL. SO , TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. AND I APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE AND YOU GIVING US THE TOP-END COST BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT, BUT THERE WILL BE AT SOME POINT WITH THIS ASSESSMENT A DETERMINATION THAT THIS WALL OVER HERE THAT WE HAVE ASSESSED HAS ONE PANEL THAT'S GOT SOME DAMAGE TO IT, AND THAT COULD E A FIX. THAT COULD BE A VERY INEXPENSIVE $10,000 MAYBE FIX OF THAT WALL , AND THAT SOLVES THAT WALL FOR MAYBE THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, 18 MONTHS, 24 MONTHS -- WHO KNOWS? UNTIL THE GROUND MOVES AGAIN.

BUT IN THESE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE WALLS THAT ARE FAR MORE PROBLEMATIC, THOSE ARE IN MY MIND THE PRIORITY.

>> DON'T DISAGREE, BUT I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE CLARITY. THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE QUESTION. WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS A REPAIR. LIKE FOR LIKE. BUT YOU AS THE BODY HAVE NOT GIVEN US THE DIRECTION. AND

YOU DON'T HAVE TO TONIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN UNTIL

WE GET THAT ASSESSMENT. >> BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IN SOME WAYS -- DOES THAT BEAUTIFY YOU ARE THE ARBITER OF THAT.

>> SO LET ME GIVE YOU IN MY OPINION -- NOT SPEAKING FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL -- THIS CRITERIA IN MY MIND. IF A WALL NEEDS REPLACING, I WOULD PREFER LIKE FOR LIKE. IF A WALL NEEDS REPAIR, I WOULD PREFER LIKE FOR LIKE IN SO FAR AS IT GETS TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. THAT IS MY PREFERENCE. I KNOW MR. REEVES SAID HE WANTS TO HAVE THE ASSESSMENT COME BACK AND THEN MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER VEGETATIVE WALL OR A BRICK WALL IS MORE SENSIBLE AT THAT POINT, WHICH I APPRECIATE.

I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GIVE THAT OPINION.

>> IF I COULD JUMP IN, I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH THAT. AGAIN, LAKE BEND ESTATES WALL IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AN ENGINEER OR A BRICK LAYER TO UNDERSTAND THAT WAS A PRETTY POORLY DESIGNED WALL. IT IS JUST NOT A GOOD SYSTEM. AND TO EVEN CONSIDER GOING BACK WITH WHAT YOU HAVE GOT IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE TO ME IS JUST THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD. I DON'T SEE THAT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERY WALL IS THAT WAY. I THINK THAT IS WHY THE ASSESSMENT IS SO IMPORTANT. SOME WALLS ARE PROBABLY BUILT BETTER AND HAVE LESS -- THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BE LEVEL OR COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT, WHICH IS WHAT THE $7 MILLION BASICALLY IS COUNTING ON. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS -- AND I APPRECIATE THAT NUMBER. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT IS THE BIG NUMBER. BUT I THINK WHEN THE REALITY COMES IN, AGAIN, LIKE

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KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH THAT. >> I THINK YOU'RE TALKING APPLES AND ORANGES HERE. WHEN I SAY LIKE FOR LIKE, I MEAN, IT IS MASONRY TODAY, IT IS MASONRY TOMORROW. I DON'T MEAN IT NEEDS TO BE SLAUGHTERED LITTLE PILLARS. I'M SORRY.

>> AND I INTEND ON AGREEING WITH THE MAYOR. AND TO YOUR POINT AND TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT, IT MATTERS HOW THE THING IS GOING TO BE INSTALLED. IT WAS NOT INSTALLED PROPERLY. MAYBE GROUND WAS NOT MITIGATED THE WAY IT SHOULD BE TO WITHSTAND YEARS OF SERVICE. BUT I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN REAVES . I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ASSESSMENT BEFORE I REACH ANY FINAL CONCLUSION ON WHAT I THINK

NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> MR. BOWERS ?

>> YEAH. THE ASSESSMENT FOR CLARITY WILL GIVE US DURABILITY OF A WALL. THE CONDITION. IN THE CONDITION STANDPOINT FROM THAT SNAPSHOT IN TIME, I DO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. IF WE DO HAVE ONE THAT IS DRASTICALLY UNSERVICEABLE AND NEEDS HELP, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE FOR LIKE. MASONRY BEFORE, I SHOULD BE MASONRY AFTERWARDS. IN THE SINCE IT IS ONE PANEL, WE MIGHT BE

ABLE TO MITIGATE COSTS AS WELL. >> I HAVE JUST ANOTHER COMMENT.

TO CITY MANAGER HALL'S POINT, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF OUR MOUTH FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS BECAUSE WE PREVIOUSLY SAID WE DON'T WANT TO REALLY REPAIR. WE WANT TO REPLACE. I THINK THAT CERTAIN -- NOT NECESSARILY LAKE BEND . I THINK THAT ONE SEEMS TO BE DEGRADED TO A POINT WHERE REPAIR DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT THERE ARE PROBABLY LOTS WE WILL FIND IN THE ASSESSMENT. LIKE YOU MENTIONED, ONE PANEL. THAT MAY LAST JUST FIVE MORE YEARS. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE JUST FOR CLARITY. I'M JUST ADDING TO YOUR POINT. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE SO WE ARE NOT HAVING TO REPLACE EVERY SINGLE SCREENING WALL THAT WILL BE ASSESSED. SECONDLY, JUST SINCE YOU ASKED AND HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DIGEST NUMBERS, IF YOU GO TO THE FINANCE PAGE OF THE PRESENTATION OF THE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS -- ISSUING DEBT, PAY-AS-YOU-GO, OR THE THIRD ONE, GENERAL FUND , TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE BECAUSE IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ON AS A CITY TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN SCREEN WALLS AND WE ARE SAYING WE WILL TAKE ON -- SHOULDER THAT RESPONSIBILITY, TO ME THE SECOND OPTION MAKES THE MOST SENSE AND I KNOW WE ARE NOT SETTING THE FINAL STONE TONIGHT, BUT JUST FROM A DIRECTION, TO ME THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE THAT IT IS NOT A FULL RIP THE BAND-AID OFF AND WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE $7 MILLION OF THAT TO COVER ALL OF THE WALLS. THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE TO ME. IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO ME TO REPLACE AND REPAIR THE WALLS THAT WE DEFINE AS BEING THE MOST URGENT WITH THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE AND THEN CONTINUE TO DO THAT OVER TIME . AND THAT OBVIOUSLY BECOMES A BIG RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE BUDGET OF THE CITY. UNFORTUNATELY OUR MASTER FEE UPDATE WON'T COVER THE COST OF THAT BUT CERTAINLY WON'T HURT TOO MUCH ON THAT.

BUT TO ME THAT JUST MAKES THE MOST FINANCIAL SENSE AS FAR AS DIRECTION IN TERMS OF HOW YOU PLAN FOR THAT. THAT IS JUST MY KNEE-JERK REACTION. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE .

>> I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE FINANCIAL PEACE FOR JUST A MOMENT BECAUSE YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU WITH THE PAY-AS-YOU-GO METHODOLOGY. TODAY THERE IS A MILL AND AND A HALF DOLLARS IN OUR SCREENING WALL REPLACEMENT FUND. THIS ASSESSMENT COSTS 40 GRAND LESS THAN THAT. THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY IN THERE TO DO LAKE BEND ESTATES RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CALCULATION THAT WAS PROVIDED , WHICH IS RENEW AND REPLACE. TO ME, I THINK THE ANSWER IS PRETTY SIMPLE WITH RESPECT TO THAT WALL

IN PARTICULAR. >> I APPRECIATE THAT I AM A COUNCILMEMBER AND IT IS UP TO ME TO MAKE DECISIONS, HOWEVER I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE GOOD INPUT FROM OUR PUBLIC . IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE THIS PRESENTATION -- CAN YOU ATTACH

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APPRECIATE THAT. >> I WILL SEND IT TO ALL OF YOU AND WE WILL FIND A WAY TO GET IT PUSHED OUT.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. GIBBS ? COMMENTS? NOT

TRYING TO TWIST YOUR ARM. >> I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS ASSESSMENT DONE. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU START TRYING TO DEFINE WHAT THE WALL IS AND WHAT NEEDS REPLACED, IT'S GOING TO BE INTERPRETED SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE PULLING US DIFFERENT WAYS SAYING WE NEED THIS AND CITY SAYS WE DON'T , AND WERE JUST GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH, SO WE HAVE TO REALLY BE VERY CAREFUL HOW WE DO THIS BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS ARE REALLY GOING TO BE SAYING, YOU FIXED THEIRS, FIX HOURS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR ASSESSMENT AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE THE PROFESSIONALS DO THE BEST THEY CAN TO HELP US OUT

WITH THIS. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. THAT IS A GREAT POINT. ONE PART OF MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GET THE CODE UPDATED SO IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN THE ON THE ALLEY IS NOT A BURDEN OF THE HOMEOWNERS AS INTERPRETED OUT OF OUR CODE I THINK THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT TO HELP WITH THAT DELINEATION SO THAT THERE IS NO INCONSISTENCY THERE. WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE CORNER LOTS AND THE WINGS, CERTAINLY THAT IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING TO NAIL DOWN. BUT I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH A PERCENTAGE OF THE WALL AND CONTIGUOUS CONNECTED PORTIONS OF THAT WALL THAT MIGHT RESIDE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE MATH. THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE GET THE ASSESSMENT BACK AND COME UP WITH A POLICY THAT FITS THAT DESCRIPTION AT THAT POINT. DOES THAT GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED, MR.

MANAGER ? >> I THINK I'M PRETTY CLEAR

NOW. >> I'M SORRY. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE ASSESSED. ONE OF THE EARLY SLIDES YOU HAD LISTED LAKE BEND FIRST AND THEN IT HAD A FEW OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL. YES. SO LAKE BEND, ONE AND TWO.

SOUTHBAY ESTATE, WHICH SITS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DELL ROCK.

WHERE IS BAYVIEW ESTATES? IN THIS CONVERSATION.

>> GROUP B . >> GROUP B? BECAUSE BAYVIEW ESTATES -- AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE ASSESSMENT -- IS THEIR ASSESSMENT GOING TO HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE?

>> PHASING. WE INCLUDED LAKE BEND ESTATES BECAUSE OF THE

CONDITION OF THE WALL . >> YEAH. I ASK ABOUT NOTICE ABSOLUTELY. AND I ASK ABOUT DAVE U.S. STATES SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME TYPE OF WALL. LITERALLY THE SAME PRECAST RED BRICK .

WHETHER IT MAKES THEIR SCOPE OF WORK EASIER OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT IS THE SAME TYPE OF WALL, SO THAT IS WHY I'M ASKING. IT HAS EXPERIENCED THE SAME FAILURES LAKE BEND HAS AS

WELL. >> BUT THEY WILL ASSESS ALL OF THEM IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF AN ABUTTING WALL.

>> SURE, WHICH IT DOES. DEFINITELY AN ALLEY BETWEEN

THEM. >> CITY MANAGER, DO YOU THINK WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE ON THE SCHEDULE FOR JANUARY 8TH?

>> YOUR NEW INFORMATION DOESN'T NECESSARILY REALLY CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY. THEY MAY CHARGE A LITTLE MORE TO LOOK AT THOSE SECTIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE SO IMPACTFUL AS TO SIGNIFICANTLY DELAY IT. IF IT DID, IT WOULD PERHAPS BE BY A WEEK AT MOST. YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN ME ANY FEEDBACK THAT IS SO SIGNIFICANT THAT CHANGES THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. THE REAL FEEDBACK IS KIND OF FUNNELING US TOWARD AN ACTION. SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY DELAYED.

>> PERFECT. >> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. NEXT WE WILL

[5.D. Receive a presentation regarding an overview of the City’s wastewater system. ]

>> IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS AN OVERVIEW

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FROM THERE WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TYPICAL WASTEWATER CONCERNS THAT ARE EVIDENCED FROM EITHER MUNICIPALITIES , INCLUDING OURSELVES. WE ARE ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CONCERN THAT HAS BEEN ON THE FOREFRONT THE PAST FEW WEEKS AS WELL AND GIVE UPDATES RELATED TO THAT INVESTIGATION. BEYOND THAT, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT STUDIES HAVE WE CONDUCTED IN TERMS OF WASTEWATER STUDY . MASTER PLAN, INFRASTRUCTURE.

WHAT ARE THOSE UPDATES AND WHERE DO WE STAND? OF COURSE EVERY PRESENTATION ASSOCIATED WITH SOME CONCERNS -- I BEG YOUR PARDON -- INFRASTRUCTURE ENHANCEMENTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NEXT STEP STRATEGY AS WELL AND WE WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU TOO. LET'S DIVE STRAIGHT INTO IT. AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A TYPICAL SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM. I HAVE USED A GRAPHIC TO ILLUSTRATE FOR OUR VIEWING AUDIENCE AND OUR AUDIENCE BEHIND US THAT WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS HOW WASTEWATER IS TRANSFERRED FROM RESIDENCES, BUSINESSES TO THE CITY'S SYSTEM. WASTEWATER IS COLLECTED FROM THESE HOUSING -- RESIDENTIAL HOUSING COMMUNITIES FROM COMMERCIAL ENTITIES, AND IT FLOWS INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM THROUGH MANHOLES, THROUGH GRAVITY FLOW. IN INSTANCES WHERE THERE IS NO GRAVITY FLOW, WE HAVE LIFT STATIONS THAT PUSH THE WATER UPWARDS TO ANOTHER MANHOLE AND ULTIMATELY DOWN THROUGH GRAVITY FLOW TO A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY OR A PLANT. IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT ACTION OCCURRED, SERVICE LINES, SEWER MAINS, AND MANHOLES. LET ME SEE IF I CAN -- GOT IT . BEAUTIFUL. SERVICE LINES YOU SEE IN ORANGE YOU CAN SEE FROM HERE AND HERE ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. THESE ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY CONNECT TO THE SEWER MAINS THAT YOU SEE HERE. YOU ALSO SEE IN YOUR HOMES CLEANOUTS. AND THESE ALLOW FOR MAINTENANCE ON THE SEWER LATERAL LOCATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE SEWER MAINS IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AS WELL ALONG HERE TRAVEL TO A MANHOLE AND FROM A MANHOLE THROUGH GRAVITY TO POTENTIALLY A LIFT STATION . TWO OR MORE SEWER MAINS TO CONNECT AT A MANHOLE. IN INSTANCES WHERE GRAVITY FLOW IS NOT AVAILABLE, LIFT STATIONS ARE INTRODUCED AND THEY PUMP WASTEWATER UPHILL. THE CITY'S WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS APPROXIMATELY 281 MILES. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU IN GREEN ARE OUR SEWER LINES. ADDITIONALLY THEY ARE APPROXIMATELY 3860 MANHOLES. THE CITY SYSTEM 48 -- GALLONS OF WASTEWATER PER DAY TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN ROWLETT. I WANTED TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON LIFT STATIONS AND FORCE MAINS HOW THEY FUNCTION AND WHAT IS THEIR PURPOSE. LIFT STATIONS ARE LARGE WET WELLS THAT COLLECT WASTEWATER FROM SURROUNDING AREAS. IN THIS INSTANCE FROM THE MANHOLE THROUGH GRAVITY FLOW WE HAVE THE LIFT STATION. IN YOUR LIFT STATION YOU HAVE THIS APPARATUS. THE LIFT STATION PUSHES FLOW UPHILL BY USING PUMPS. WHEN WET FILLS CERTAIN LEVELS -- BEG YOUR PARDON -- RIGHT HERE. WHEN THIS WHAT WELL FILLS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, THE LIFT STATION PUMPS TURN ON AND THE WET WELL WILL DRAIN. YOU HAVE FORCE MAINS, WHICH ARE PRESSURIZED SEWER PIPES THAT ARE USED TO CONVEY PHIL AGAINST GRADE INTO A MANHOLE. ONCE INTO A MANHOLE, THE GRAVITY FLOW RESUMES. THE TYPICAL INSTRUMENTS I HAVE POINTED OUT TO YOU IS THE SEWER MAINS, THE LIFT STATION, AND OF COURSE 25 LIFT STATIONS LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEY ARE ALL INTERCONNECTED. ON THE NEXT SLIDE I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW THESE LIFT STATIONS ARE INTERCONNECTED AND HOW THE CITY'S WASTEWATER SYSTEM WORKS. ON THIS SLIDE, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE THE NORTHERN AREA OF THE CITY , THE EASTERN AREA OF OUR CITY, AND THE SOUTHERN AREA OF OUR CITY, AND YOU SEE THESE ORANGE BLOCKS ALL HAVE A NAME AND THESE ARE OUR SPECIFIC

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THE INHERENT NATURE OF THE SYSTEM WE HAVE IS DEPENDENT LARGELY ON THE WESTSIDE AND ROWLETT LIFT STATION. AND I WILL EXPLAIN. EVERYTHING THAT FLOWS FROM THE NORTHERN SIDE -- YOU HAVE GOT YOUR NORTHSIDE LIFT STATION COMMUNITY PARK -- ALL OF THESE ULTIMATELY CONNECT HERE, INCLUDING YOUR EASTERN COMPONENT RIGHT HERE WITH THESE SIX STATIONS AUTOMATICALLY FEED INTO THE LEFT SIDE. THIS IS THE HIGHWAY 66 FORCE MAIN -- COLLECT THIS AND THEN TRANSFERS THIS TO THE ROW AT CREEK WASTEWATER PLANT. ADDITIONALLY , WE HAVE THE ROW LET STATION. THAT COLLECTS ALL OF THIS WASTEWATER THAT TRAVELS TO THIS LIFT STATION. AND THIS AUTOMATICALLY THEN FLOWS INTO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT . SO WHEN YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS SO HEAVILY INTERCONNECTED AND DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT OBVIOUSLY FROM THE NORTH AND THE EAST , YOU'RE PUSHING A LARGER QUANTITY OF VOLUME OR CAPACITY INTO THAT LIFT STATION. AND OBVIOUSLY THE AMOUNT BEING EITHER FORCED THROUGH AND THEN FED THROUGH GRAVITY THAT IS INHERENT TO HAVE SOME FORM OF AN ODOR EMANATEFROM THAT TYPE OF FUNCTION. WASTEWATER FLOWS INTO THE ROWLETT CREEK WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AS I JUST MENTIONED TO YOU. THE CITY ENTERED INTO A WASTEWATER TREATMENT CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF GARLAND IN 1994. THAT CONTRACT WAS THEN RENEWED IN 2021, WHICH IS NOW VALID UNTIL 2041. THERE ARE A FEW STIPULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CONTRACT. ONE IS, ALL WASTEWATER THAT ORIGINATES WITHIN ROWLETT HAS TO BE DISCHARGED EXCLUSIVELY INTO THE GARLAND SYSTEM , AND WASTEWATER HAS TO BE CONTINUOUSLY METERED.

SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A TYPICAL SYSTEM. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE INTERCONNECTIVITY OF STATIONS AND THE PURPOSES OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE YOU HOW THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK AND WHAT WE DO HERE IN TERMS OF OUR LIFT STATIONS AND THEN SECONDLY, WHAT TYPICAL CONCERNS ARISE AS A RESULT OF A TYPICAL WASTEWATER SYSTEM . ONE THING TO NOTE IS THE COMPOSITION OF WASTEWATER. IT IS PRIMARILY WATER. 95% OF WASTEWATER IS IN THE FORM OF WATER, BUT YOU DO HAVE SOLID WASTE FROM TOILETS, SINKS THAT ULTIMATELY BECOME SLUDGE . ADDITIONALLY, RAINWATER ALSO ENTERS INTO THE SYSTEM AND RECALL THAT INFLOW AND INFILTRATION. DURING THE WET WEATHER PERIOD, THAT CAN DOUBLE UP HOW MUCH FLOW IS IN YOUR SYSTEM AND IN YOUR PIPES. HOW MUCH OF THAT LIFT STATION IS GOING TO WORK. SO THAT ALL DICTATES YOUR SLUDGE. ALL THAT DICTATES HOW MUCH THE LIFT STATIONS WORK, HOW LONG THEY WORK. I JUST TOUCHED ON INI, WHICH IS INFILTRATION AND FLOW. I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE ARE. INFILTRATION -- I HAVE TRIED TO PROVIDE AN IMAGE THAT SHOWS WHAT THAT MEANS. INFILTRATION IS GROUNDWATER THAT SEEPS INTO THE SYSTEM . IT OCCURS OVER LONGER PERIODS OF TIME. IT COULD BE HOURS. IT COULD BE DAYS. IT IS PRIMARILY FROM CRACKS OR FAULTY CONNECTIONS. YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN WHAT IS IN BLUE IS YOUR INFILTRATION. INFLOW IS YOUR SERVICE WATER THAT FLOWS INTO YOUR SYSTEM. YOU HAVE MORE IMMEDIATE RESULTS AND IT IS PRIMARILY FROM FAULTY MANHOLE COVERS AND CLEANUP. SO WHAT ARE THE TYPICAL CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH A WASTEWATER SYSTEM ? MORE INI MEANS MORE SEWER WATER TO TREAT. IT ALSO RESULTS IN INCREASED COSTS TO OUR LIFT STATIONS FROM THE PUMPS. INCREASED COST FROM WATER TREATMENT AS WELL. EVERY MUNICIPALITY EXPERIENCES INI.

THE VOLUME COULD VARY. I HAD MENTIONED TO YOU AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN, WHICH WAS SLUDGE BUILDUP . YOUR SOLIDS. SLUDGE BUILDUP CAN OCCUR DUE TO INCREASED SOLIDS WITHIN YOUR SYSTEM. THOSE ARE YOUR FATS, YOUR OILS, AND YOUR GREASES.

WHAT IMAGES YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU IS EXACTLY THAT. THIS IS ALL -- BEG YOUR PARDON. I'M TRYING TO GET THE POINTER TO WORK AND IT'S NOT WORKING. BUT WHAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP RIGHT FROM AN IMAGE PERSPECTIVE IS SLUDGE BUILDUP.

BOTTOM LEFT IMAGE IS WIPES -- DISPOSABLE WIPES THAT ACTUALLY DO NOT DECOMPOSE THE WAY THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. THAT ULTIMATELY

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WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE OXYGEN IN YOUR SYSTEM, YOU GET THE ABILITY FOR CONDITIONS FOR BACTERIA TO GENERATE SEWER GAS. WHAT AM I REFERRING TO? I'M TALKING ABOUT HYDROGEN SULFIDE, METHANE, AMMONIA, AND CARBON DIOXIDE. IT IS NORMAL FOR SANITARY SEWER OPERATIONS TO HAVE VARYING LEVELS OF HYDROGEN SULFIDE IN THE SYSTEM, WITHIN THE SYSTEM, IN YOUR MANHOLES, IN YOUR WET WELLS. THIS CONDITION IS NORMAL. THIS IS BECAUSE OF THAT ANAEROBIC FUNCTION WHEN YOU HAVE WASTE AND IT BECOMES SEPTIC.

HOWEVER, HUMANS CAN DETECT THE SMELL OF HYDROGEN SULFIDE AT VERY, VERY LOW CONCENTRATIONS, SO YOUR NOSE IS ABLE TO SENSE OR SMELL -- SO ACUTE THAT YOU CAN REALIZE THE SMELL OF HYDROGEN SULFIDE AS LOW AS 0.5 PARTS PER BILLION.

>> AND I POSITIVE FOR JUST ONE SECOND ?

>> YES, PLEASE. >> SO THAT NUMBER -- THERE'S BEEN SOME SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF AROUND THE CONCENTRATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DETECTED , AND THE READERS THAT ARE TYPICALLY USED ARE PPM, WHICH IS PARTS PER MILLION. YOU ARE SAYING OUR NOSES CAN PROTECT .5 PARTS PER BILLION, WHICH IS .0005 PARTS PER MILLION, CORRECT? WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLY SMALL NUMBER RELATIVE TO THE OTHER MEASUREMENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN.

>> ABSOLUTLY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> OSHA STANDARDS -- 10 PARTS PER MILLION AVERAGED OVER AN EIGHT HOUR PERIOD. 10 PARTS PER MILLION. AND THEN OF COURSE REQUIREMENTS FOR HYDROGEN SULFIDE IF IT IS INDEED REFERRED TO AS A NUISANCE ODOR , IS 0.08 PARTS PER MILLION AVERAGED OVER A 30 MINUTE PERIOD AT THE PROPERTY LINE. SO ONE OF THE GENERAL MEASURES WE CAN INTRODUCE TO ADDRESS VOTER CONCERNS. ONE IS TO ENSURE WE ARE CLEANING AND INSPECTING LINES REGULARLY, ROUTINELY. REMOVE SOLID BUILDUP, IDENTIFY AND REPAIR CRACKS AND FAULTY CONNECTIONS. ADDITIONALLY, CHEMICAL INJECTIONS IS AN OPTION. INJECT CHEMICALS TO STOP THE ANAEROBIC BACTERIA PROCESS I MENTIONED. WHAT CHEMICALS CAN WE USE? SODIUM BICARBONATE AND YOU CAN ALSO USE CALCIUM NITRATE.

ANOTHER OPTION IS AERATION AND WET WELLS. YOU CAN INSTALL AERATORS. IT IS AN APPARATUS THAT CAN BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE WET WELL. IT STIRS UP THE WET WELLS AND THEN INTRODUCES OXYGEN INTO THE SYSTEM, THEREBY REMOVING THAT ANAEROBIC CONDITION . AND IT ALSO STIRS UP THE SLUDGE BUILDUP IN WET WELLS.

WHEN THE SLUDGE JUST SITS THERE, IT BECOMES SEPTIC BECAUSE IT IS BECOMING ANAEROBIC AT THAT TIME. IF YOU CONTINUOUSLY INJECT OXYGEN INTO A SYSTEM, ITS CHEMICAL COMPOSITION CHANGES. OF COURSE REGULAR MAINTENANCE IS KEY.

>>

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> I'M SORRY. I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY. I APOLOGIZE. I WAS GONNA -- SHOW YOU THE WET WELL. BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. OH, GOODNESS. THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF A WET WELL RIGHT HERE. I APOLOGIZE. MY POINTER IS NOT WORKING.

>> SO THE WET WELL IS THE BASIN.

>> IT IS THE BASIN WITHIN WHICH THE VOLUME RISES ONCE THE IS PUSHED AND ONCE IT RISES TO A CERTAIN LEVEL. IT IS LIKE THE FUNCTION OF YOUR WC WHEN YOU UTILIZE THAT. YOU HAVE THE

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FLOATER DEVICE . >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WET WELL WAS . IT IS A FUNNY WORD.

WET WELL. AND SO THOSE ARE WHERE THE LIFT STATIONS ARE.

>> SO THE WET WELL IS CONTAINED WITHIN. SO LET ME TRY --

>> WHAT WELL IS A COMPONENT OF A LIFT STATION. IN HER DIAGRAM, IT IS THE LOCATION WHERE THE IS PUMPED FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE SYSTEM . GRAVITY FED INTO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT DIAGRAM.

>> LEFT SIDE. >> PUMPED OUT. DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE GRAVITY FEED IN BEING PUMPED UP AGAINST GRAVITY. BUT THE WET WELL IS WHAT CONTAINS .

>> SO THERE ARE NOT JUST WET WELLS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE BUMPS IN THEM. THEY ARE --

>> THEY ARE A FUNCTION OF YOUR LIFT STATION.

>> THEY ARE A COMPONENT OF THE LIFT STATION.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR.

>> YEAH. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. THE ONLY PART YOU MIGHT COMPLETE WITH A WET WELL MIGHT BE A MANHOLE, WHICH IS WHERE MULTIPLE PIPES MIGHT COME IN AND THEN GRAVITY FLOW OUT. THERE IS NOT A PUMP THERE. IT IS A KIND OF HUB , FOR LACK OF A BETTER

WORD, FOR THE PIPES. >> CORRECT. VERY WELL SAID.

>> HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THIS, BELIEVE IT OR

NOT. I KNOW THAT -- >> I'M SORRY TO ALREADY INTERJECT. ON AVERAGE, HOW OFTEN DOES A WET WELL ACTIVATE TO PUSH

? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE VOLUME. THE CAPACITY AND THE VOLUME. AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED IN THE INTERCONNECTIVITY OF OUR LIFT STATIONS, EVERYTHING IS BEING PULLED DOWN FROM THE NORTH AND WEST TO THE ROWLETT TREATMENT PLANT , SO IT DEPENDS ON THE ACTIVITY OF THE DAY , THE TIME OF THE DAY, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND I WILL ADDRESS THAT FURTHER IN ANOTHER SLIDE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE INCREASED CAPACITY HOW MUCH MORE THOSE FUNCTION.

>> LET ME ADD TO THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP SO WE CAN CLARIFY THESE THINGS ARE NOT ON TIMERS. THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS WHY YOU WOULD NOT WANT IT ON A TIMER FOR THE EFFICIENCY OF THE FUNCTION. SO TO THAT POINT, IT ALLOWS US TO CLARIFY THEY OPERATE BASED ON VOLUME, NOT ON TIME.

>> WE ALSO HAVE BACKUPS, RIGHT?

>> AS IN TO FUNCTION AS A GENERATOR BACKUP?

>> BACKUP PUMPS. >> YES.

>> BACKUP PUMPS AND BACKUP POWER.

>> YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT ANYWAY.

>> IT IS A REDUNDANCY PLAN . >> I WOULD NOT ANSWER THAT. I THINK WE ARE DOING IT. I THINK THE QUESTION IS -- IF WE HAD TO ANSWER THE QUESTION -- I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OVER BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING A HECK OF A JOB THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT HERE. WOULD ONE OF YOU ADDRESS THE QUESTION, DO WE HAVE A BACKUP GENERATOR AT EVERY LIFT STATION? I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS NO, BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN. OKAY. WE

ARE TRYING TO. THAT'S RIGHT. >> BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO LIBERTY GROVE IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THE LIFT STATION PIECE OF THIS IS PRETTY INTERESTING AND PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR US AND THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF , THERE HAS BEEN A PROCESS OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS TO DECOMMISSION VARIOUS LIFT STATIONS WITHIN THE CITY. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT , IS THAT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS

DISCUSSION? >> IT IS. WE'RE GOING TO GET TO IT A LITTLE LATER. YOU ARE ON POINT, BUT WE ARE JUST --

>> OKAY. AND LET'S CONTINUE ON. THANK YOU, DAVID.

>> SO WITH RESPECT BECAUSE YOU JUST PAST THE GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE OVERALL LAYOUT. THE -- CONNECTIVITY. YES. WHERE WE GET THE PROBLEM SPOTS. ONE THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SPOT FOR A LONG TIME HAS BEEN 66 AND ROWLETT ROAD. APPROXIMATELY WHERE IS THAT ON THIS GRAPHIC? SO IT IS THAT ENTIRE FORCE MAIN PUSHING FROM THE WEST SIDE. AND WHERE IS THAT WESTSIDE LIFT STATION

ROUGHLY? >> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW YOU. BEAR WITH ME. IT IS RIGHT HERE. I NEED HELP .

>> COULD YOU HELP HER, PLEASE? RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE.

>> GOT IT. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS. OKAY. YEAH.

>> MAYOR, WHILE YOU ARE ON THAT INTERCONNECTED SLIDE, IF YOU WILL GO BACK, DO NOT EMPHASIZE THIS AS MUCH BECAUSE SHE IS MORE

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IT IS A DIALOGUE WITH YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE ALLUDED TO BEFORE IS PEOPLE WANT TO PRESENT THAT SOMEHOW IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THERE WERE NEVER ANY SEWER ODORS IN THE CITY OF ROWLETT.

WHY YOU ARE SHOWING YOU THIS IS BECAUSE THAT CANNOT FACTUALLY BE TRUE. BUT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DID SOMETHING WRONG. THE VERY NATURE OF THE SYSTEM AND ITS OVERRELIANCE ON INTERCONNECTEDNE SS -- THINK ABOUT THE SHIFT. 22 SQUARE MILES AND 25 OPERATING LIFT STATIONS . THAT IS AN EXTREME AMOUNT AND PART OF IT IS DUE TO WHERE WE ARE LOCATED PUSHING UP AGAINST GRAVITY CONSTANTLY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, A NEGATIVE BYPRODUCT OF THAT IS THAT THE EFFLUENT WILL SIT IN SOME OF THESE WET WELLS OR PIPES A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY LIKE AND THE DECOMPOSITION BEGINS TO BREAK DOWN. AND SOMETIMES IT SMELLS. AND I WANTED TO STOP HERE AND ILLUSTRATE AND EMPHASIZE THAT POINT BECAUSE IT ISN'T NECESSARILY THAT ANYONE DID ANYTHING WRONG IN THE PAST OR THAT WE ARE DOING ANYTHING WRONG NOW. THE SEWER SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO SMELL. WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL WE CAN TO SYSTEMWIDE MITIGATE ODOR, BUT UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT LENDS ITSELF TO

ODOR. >> WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE WASTEWATER COMPOSITION. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT I AND I REALLY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERNS WITH INI . WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SLUDGE BUILDUP AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT SEWER GAS CONCENTRATIONS. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT GENERAL ODOR CONCERNS. I WANT TO FROM THIS POINT PIVOT TO THE LIBERTY GROVE ODOR INVESTIGATION. OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS -- ALMOST A MONTH NOW -- WE HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL CONCERNS REGARDING ODOR ESPECIALLY IN THE LIBERTY GROVE AREA ALONG THE NEW LIBERTY GROVE SEWER LINE THAT WAS REPLACED.

ONCE WE STARTED HEARING ABOUT THE ODOR CONCERNS, THE CITY WENT TO THE SITE TO THE AREA AND COLLECTED 38 SAMPLES OR READINGS . THE READINGS CAME BACK WITH ZERO PARTS PER MILLION OF HYDROGEN SULFIDE IN THE AMBIENT AIR ON NOVEMBER 25TH . 38 READINGS WERE COLLECTED ON THAT DATE. THE ODOR WILL BE NOTICED , BUT HERE THE DETERMINATION WAS THAT THE AMBIENT AIR -- THE AIR THAT YOU ARE BREATHING PERHAPS AT THE MANHOLE AND IN THE MANHOLE THE READING WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT AMBIENT . WE WERE NOT SATISFIED AND WE ENGAGED WITH A THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT AND SAID, WE NEED MORE DATA. WE NEED MORE READINGS. SO THEY CAME TO THE SITE ON NOVEMBER 26TH AND INSTALLED STRATEGICALLY INSTALLED DATA LOGGERS . THESE DATA LOGGERS WERE INSTALLED TO COLLECT DATA TO DETERMINE WHAT AMBIENT GASES ARE IN THE ATMOSPHERE. 15,000 AMBIENT AIR READINGS WERE COLLECTED AND ALL THESE READINGS SHOWED 0.0 PARTS PER MILLION OF HYDROGEN SULFIDE.

SO THOSE ARE ALL ZERO. WAS ANYTHING ELSE DETECTED? YES.

THEY DETECTED CARBON MONOXIDE FROM AN IDLING VEHICLE, WHICH THEN GOES TO ASSERT THAT THE DATA LOGGERS ARE WORKING AND THEY ARE COLLECTING DATA AND THEY COLLECTED 15,000 RECORDS OF NO HYDROGEN SULFIDE . READINGS INSIDE THE MANHOLES THAT WERE CONDUCTED BY THE CITY WERE HIGHER THAN AVERAGE DURING THIS PERIOD. I'M SPEAKING OF THE PERIOD OF NOVEMBER 26 TO DECEMBER 1ST. I WANTED TO SHED LIGHT THAT WAS THANKSGIVING WEEK. MANY PEOPLE ARE HOME AT THAT TIME. AGAIN, IT IS THE HOLIDAY WEEK, AND SO YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASE USE OF THE

WASTEWATER SYSTEM. >> SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK, TELL ME WHAT THE TERM, HIGHER THAN AVERAGE, REALLY MEANS. 100 PARTS PER MILLION, 1000 PARTS PER MILLION? OH, OF COURSE.

>>

>> AGAIN, WE WANTED TO BE SURE OF THE THIRD-PARTY READINGS , AND WE CONTACTED OURSELVES , TC QUEUE. TC QUEUE CAME OUT AND EVALUATED THE SITE AND THEY FOUND A 0.0 PARTS PER MILLION OF HYDROGEN SULFIDE. THEY ALSO DID SMELL AN ODOR, BUT THEY SAID THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF AMBIENT AIR READINGS OF HYDROGEN SULFIDE. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT TC QUEUE IS CURRENTY

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PARTS PER MILLION. WE CONDUCTED HYDROGEN SULFIDE READINGS INSIDE THE MANHOLE AT LIBERTY GROVE AND PRINCETON. WE INSTALLED A DATA LOGGER TO GET THESE READINGS FROM THE DATES THAT I JUST MENTIONED. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE DURING THE TIME THAT THEY CONDUCTED THEIR STUDY, WHICH WAS THE HOLIDAY WEEK THAT I MENTIONED TO YOU , THERE WAS INCREASED HYDROGEN SULFIDE INSIDE THE MANHOLE. NOT THE AMBIENT READING BUT INSIDE RIGHT HERE. THESE READINGS WERE HIGH. LIKE? BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS HOME, EVERYBODY WAS CELEBRATING, AND SO YOU HAD MORE ACTION -- YOU HAD MORE -- EFFLUENT IN THE SYSTEM. AND THE SYSTEM WAS BEING USED MORE. I BEG YOUR PARDON. THE WORD ESCAPED ME AT THAT

POINT. >> I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE WORD THAT POPPED INTO YOUR HEAD. APPRECIATE YOU BEING POLITE.

>> BUT COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, WE DID NOT STOP THERE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE HAPPENING. SO WE CONTACTED OUR CONSULTANTS. WE CONTACTED THE TRINITY RIVER AUTHORITY. WE CONTACTED ALL OF THE CONSULTANTS AND WE SAID, WE NEED TO SPEAK TO A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT WHO CAN DELIVER AN ENGINEER'S OPINION TO US TO TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE SYSTEM, TO TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE AMBIENT ENVIRONMENT. ARE THESE UNSAFE CONDITIONS ? ARE THE READINGS IN YOUR MANHOLE ABNORMAL? THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE WANTED TO VERIFY BECAUSE MARK PERKINS, WHO IS THE VICE PRESIDENT AND BUSINESS UNIT LEADER OF WATER AND WASTEWATER FROM MEAD AND HUNT, ARE THE EXPERTS AT THIS , AND WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO SPEAK TO THEM AND UNDERSTAND

>> LET ME INTERJECT. I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING HERE. I'M NOT TRYING TO HIJACK BECAUSE SHE IS KILLING IT. THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHY. PEOPLE HAVE SAID AND CAST DOUBT WHEN WE HIRED . I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THEM, BUT THEY ARE A PRETTY BIG ENGINEERING FIRM AND I THINK IT IS PRETTY UNLIKELY THEY SOMEHOW WOULD IMPUGN THEIR CREDIBILITY FOR US. BUT THERE WAS DOUBT CAST ON THE 15,000 DATA POINTS THAT SOMEHOW MAYBE THE DEVICES WERE IN ERROR. WE DID GET CARBON MONOXIDE READINGS, RIGHT? OR MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE. BUT SOMEHOW IT JUST WAS NOT BELIEVED. TO HER POINT, WE DID NOT STOP THERE.

BRIAN AND THE OTHERS CONTACTED OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES. I FILED A COMPLAINT WITH TCEQ. THEY MET WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE. THE REP CAME ON SITE. I DON'T BELIEVE IF THE REP FOUND IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY, THE REP WOULD HAVE SAID 60 DAYS BEFORE YOU GET YOUR REPORT, BUT WE WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT. WE CALLED FORMER CITY OFFICIAL, WHO IS NOW A CONSULTANT . OKAY? HE CAME IN. WE SAID, HEY, AND HE HAD BEEN A FORMER PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY MUCH LARGER THAN OURS BUT IN THE VICINITY. AND WE ASKED . HE SAID, THERE IS ONE PERSON YOU SHOULD CALL, MARK PERKINS BUT TO HIS CREDIT HAD ALREADY REACHED OUT TO MR. PERKINS AND BEGUN THE DIALOGUE.

YOU KNOW, IN SPORTS THEY SAY E PLAYER'S FAVORITE PLAYER. THIS IS THE ENGINEERS. YOUR FAVORITE ENGINEER'S FAVORITE SUBJECT MATTER ON THIS TOPIC. THAT IS THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE AS TO HOW SIGNIFICANT THIS ISSUE OR CONCERN WAS TO US , HOW SERIOUSLY WE TOOK IT IN THE STEPS AND LEVELS WE WERE GOING TO TO TRY TO GET SOME SENSE OF DIRECTION FOR UNDERSTANDING THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ISSUE, IF THERE WAS ONE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. HALL. ALSO YOU WILL SEE A LETTERHEAD FROM MEAD AND HUNT, WHICH IS THE ENGINEER'S OPINION ON THE LIBERTY GROVE ODOR CONCERN IN THE MANHOLE READINGS. COUNCIL, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE BEAR WITH ME, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO READ VERBATIM WHAT IS IN THE ENGINEER'S OPINION BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES MANY OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ALREADY RAISED , AND I THINK SOME THAT MAY BE IN YOUR MIND RIGHT NOW. DATA COLLECTED THUS FAR. DO NOT SHOW HYDROGEN

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THERE IS NO IMMEDIATE SAFETY OR HAZARDOUS CONCERNS IN THIS AREA.

ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY IS TAKING PROACTIVE MEASURES TO ADDRESS

THESE CONCERNS. >> YEAH. LET'S PAUSE AND ASK SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS SWIRLING AROUND IN MY HEAD. ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE TRAPS AND PLUMBING FIXTURES WOULD COMPENSATE FOR TRANSIENT PRESSURIZATION. I ASSUME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAPS WITHIN A HOUSE OR A BUSINESS IN THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A TRAP , AIR IS NOT GOING TO COME BACK UP INTO THE HOME. HOWEVER , WITHIN THE HOME, THERE ARE VENT STACKS IN A HOUSE THAT PREVENT A VACUUM WITHIN THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT ALLOW YOU TO FLUSH YOUR TOILET BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHEN YOU FLUSH YOUR TOILET ALL THE AIR GETS DISPLACED THAT IS IN THE PIPE. SO THE AIR GOES UP OUTSIDE YOUR HOME AND THE WATER GOES DOWN THROUGH YOUR HOME AND INTO THE SYSTEM. SO AT ANY POINT IN TIME, THERE ARE VENT STACKS ON HOMES AND BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA , WHICH ALSO SHOULD BE RELIEVING SOME OF THAT PRESSURE, RIGHT? IN THEORY?

>> THAT IS CORRECT . BY BUILDING CODE PARAMETERS, STRUCTURES HAVE TO HAVE MECHANISMS INSTALLED TO ALLOW FOR THE ESCAPE OF AIR

SLASH GAS. >> OKAY. AND FOR THE SAME REASON WE HAVE A VENT ON THE LINE ITSELF AT LIBERTY GROVE BECAUSE , AGAIN, IT IS LIKE TURNING ON A GARDEN HOSE WHEN THE GRAVITY MADE PRESSURIZES. IT IS PUSHING OVER THAT SLOPE UNTIL IT REACHES THE POINT WHERE IT STARTS TO GO DOWN AGAIN. ANYTHING IN THERE AS FAR AS AIR GOES HAS TO BE REPLACED BY THIS EFFLUENT. SO IT

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INCORRECT? >> I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK HER ENGINEERS . NO, NO. ONE OF OUR ENGINEERS SHOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION , CAN YOU GENERALLY INSTALL A WASTEWATER SYSTEM

WITHOUT VENTING ? >> BRIAN. CIVIL ENGINEER HERE.

YES. THEY ARE A PART OF A SEWER SYSTEM. TYPICALLY ON LARGER PIPES THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR VENT STACKS THAT ARE NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU ARE CONVEYING A LOT OF FLOW AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT

PIPE TO BECOME TOO PRESSURIZED. >> SO WHAT I AM HEARING IS THERE IS NO WAY TO AVOID GASES COMING OUT OF A SEWER SYSTEM. THAT IS A NATURAL BYPRODUCT OF THE WAY THE SYSTEM OPERATES. SO IF THERE IS NO WAY TO AVOID GASES COMING OUT OF THE SYSTEM, THE GOLDEN HAS TO BE TO TREAT THE SYSTEM SUCH THAT IT DOES NOT PRODUCE THOSE TYPES OF GASES OR AS MUCH OF THOSE TYPES OF GASES. IS THAT THE

OBJECTIVE GENERALLY? >> YES. TO MITIGATE THE ODOR SOURCES AS MUCH AS WE CAN. IDENTIFY WAYS THEY MAY BE ESCAPING OUT OF MANHOLES NEAR THE HOMES AND WHATNOT AND TRY TO FIND WAYS TO MITIGATE THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.

>> GO AHEAD. >> POINT OUT THAT WHEN THAT GAS ESCAPES THROUGH A VENT IT DISSIPATES RAPIDLY . IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO SIT THERE AS A HEAVY CLOUD IN THE ATMOSPHERE . IT DISSIPATES IMMEDIATELY. KEEP IN MIND , OUTSIDE YOU HAVE OXYGEN AS WELL, SO THAT ANAEROBIC REACTION STARTS BREAKING DOWN AS WELL. SO WHEN THE GASES ARE RELEASED, THEY DISSIPATE RAPIDLY . SO YES. YOU WOULD ALWAYS HAVE ISSUES WITH PRESSURE WITH SEPTIC BUILDING UP. THAT IS WHY PIPES OR INFRASTRUCTURE IS DESIGNED IN A WAY TO RELEASE PRESSURE AND MITIGATE ODORS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE MITIGATED AND ADDRESS DESIGN. HOW DO WE DO A DESIGN TO PREVENT TOO MUCH SLUDGE SETTING IN, FOR EXAMPLE. WHAT IS HAPPENING UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM TO MAKE SURE YOU MINIMIZE OR MITIGATE THESE CONCERNS?

>> DO YOU MIND STANDING IN FRONT OF THE MIC FOR ME? , GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY. WITH RESPECT, I'M GOING TO ADD MANHOLE IN FRONT OF THE MCDONALD'S. THE GAS METER .

INAUDIBLE ] >> BECAUSE OF THE DISSIPATION ONCE IT GETS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.

>> HAVE 1 BILLION DETECT . .05 MILLION -- FROM OUR NOSE -- YOU CAN SEE BILLION INTO 1 MILLION, THAT BECOMES .00005 . THERE ARE FOUR ZEROS IN FRONT OF IT. SO ALL OF THE READING -- THE 38 READINGS WE DID ON NOVEMBER 24TH INCLUDING CHRIS. EVERY TIME WE GO ON TOP WE MAY HAVE SOME READING.

TCEQ AND BY OSHA . AND THE PROPERTY LINE . LET'S SAY FOR

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>> SO THE MANHOLE CAN HAVE A LOT OF GAS IN IT. WITHIN SECONDS IN THE MANHOLE. IT BECOMES 15 PPM. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN , RIGHT?

INAUDIBLE ] >> THANK YOU. AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION REALLY HAS TO BE BROKEN DOWN INTO PIECES BECAUSE THERE IS THE CONVERSATION OF THE SMELL, WHICH ON ITS OWN IS NOT NECESSARILY HAZARDOUS. IT IS ANNOYING AND FRUSTRATING THAT IT EXISTS , BUT ON ITS OWN IS NOT INDICATION OF A HAZARDOUS CONDITION. THEN WE HAVE THE CONDITION. AND THAT IS WHAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION AND DEFINITELY ALARMED ME WHEN THERE'S READINGS BEING POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT SHOWED WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM READING OF THIS DEVICE THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET. I WENT MYSELF AND I WAS NEVER ABLE TO RE-CREATE THOSE TESTING CONDITIONS. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE CLEARLY THE READING WITHIN THE PIPE HAS BEEN UPWARDS OF 1000

PPM AT SOME POINTS. >> WHICH IS NOT ABNORMAL.

>> AS THE EXPERT SAID. BUT THAT ON ITS FACE IS NOT A CONCERN WITH ALL THE DATA AND INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED. THE H2 S ISSUE IS NOT . LET ME ADDRESS A TANGENTIAL ITEM WITH THAT ONE , WHICH IS WE HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO MIGHT BE GETTING PUT AT RISK WITH THEIR EXPOSURE . SO MAYBE THIS IS ANOTHER

SLIDE. >> I THINK YOU KIND OF TOOK A PEEK. NO. THE REASON YOU CAN PREDICT IT BECAUSE LOGICALLY THESE ARE TOPICS THAT SHOULD FOLLOW. TO YOUR POINT, WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF PAUSE HERE BECAUSE OF THE CONTROVERSY TO YOUR POINT. WE DISCUSSED IT THE SAME WAY. THERE IS A QUESTION OF TOXIC GAS AND THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION OR CONCERN ABOUT ODOR. AND THEY ARE DISTINCT . WE ARE JUST GIVING YOU THE DATA, THE ENGINEER 'S OPINION . AND FROM OUR CONCLUSION AND THE ENGINEER'S CONCLUSION , THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE OF RELEASE OF TOXIC GAS IN OUR ATMOSPHERE IN OUR CITY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE ODOR. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR WORKERS, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK

ABOUT. >> WHEN THE LIFT STATIONS ARE PUSHING, THEY ARE PUSHING THE EFFLUENT UPWARD TO A MANHOLE YOU WILL SEE HIGHER READINGS WITHIN THE SYSTEM.

>> I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE SMELL COMING OUT.

>> YES. AND WHEN GASES VENT OUT, THEY RELEASE AND ODOR.

>> IT COULD BE COMING ALL THE TIME OR MORE AT TIMES WHEN IT IS

PUSHING. >> CORRECT.

>> BASED ON THE USE OF THE SYSTEM OR HOW MUCH THE SYSTEM IS

BEING USED. >> DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I SAW YOU LEANING FORWARD. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, WHILE WE ARE AT A PAUSE HERE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS UP TO THIS POINT? OKAY.

>> BECAUSE OUR READINGS DO NOT SHOW ANY HYDROGEN SULFIDE IN OUR AMBIENT READINGS. WE ABSOLUTELY NO THERE IS AN ODOR. WHAT DO WE DO TO TACKLE THE ODOR? THAT IS THE QUESTION AT HAND RIGHT NOW.

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY . THE FIRST THING WE

[02:15:07]

>> I KNOW YOU MENTIONED ANOTHER CHEMICAL THAT IS COMMONLY USED BESIDE THE SODIUM BICARBONATE. DO YOU RECALL WHAT THAT OTHER CHEMICAL WAS ? IF YOU DON'T, PLEASE DON'T GO BACK BECAUSE

THAT IS , LIKE, 30 SLIDES AGO. >> CALCIUM NITRATE.

> I KNOW THERE IS ALSO MAGNESIUM HYDROXIDE, WHICH IS ANOTHER CHEMICAL, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY MILK OF MAGNESIA. IS THERE ONE CHEMICAL THAT PROVES TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN OTHERS ? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHEMICAL? IS IT TO ADJUST THE PH

? >> WHAT THESE CHEMICALS DO IS IN ORDER FOR SOMETHING TO BECOME SEPTIC OR PUTREFIED , IT BECOMES AN ANAEROBIC CHEMICAL COMPOUND. AND SO YOU INTRODUCE THESE TYPES OF CHEMICALS THAT INTERACT WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND REDUCE THE HYDROGEN SULFIDE , WHICH THEN REDUCES THE ODOR. IT MITIGATES

IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. >> AND MITIGATES THE CORROSIVE GAS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. IS THERE ONE OF THESE THAT IS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN ANOTHER OR DID WE JUST TAKE A SHOT BECAUSE THAT IS ONE WE HAVE USED BEFORE?

>> I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE . I WILL ASK MY TEAM. DO WE KNOW WHICH CHEMICAL IS MORE EFFECTIVETHAN ANOTHER ? BECAUSE IT IS IN PRINCIPLE HAVING THE SAME

REACTION, CORRECT? >> SO EFFECTIVELY THE SAME. WE SWITCH TO A METHOD BY WHICH WE ARE USING NOT JUST ONE BUT TWO WET WELL WIZARDS IN THIS PARTICULAR WHAT WELL AND DOSING IT AS WELL. AND THERE IS A PLAN TO CONTINUE DOING THAT GOING

FORWARD? >> YES. CURRENTLY THAT IS THE PLAN, BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE COMING UP THAT WILL GIVE --

>> OF COURSE YOU DO. I WOULD JUST TURN MY MIC OFF.

>> YES, IF THE MAYOR WOULD QUIT INTERRUPTING, WE COULD GET

THROUGH THIS. >> COUNCIL, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE WERE ASKED IS, WHAT ABOUT OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES ? HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE, THE TEAM, THE CITY STAFF THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE HARD WORK IN DETERMINING THE FUNCTIONING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WASTEWATER SYSTEMS. WE OBVIOUSLY COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS. I WANT TO ADD THAT WHEN WE ARE MONITORING OR ENTERING MANHOLES, WE UTILIZE SPECIFIC PPE. WE USE GAS MONITORS . WE USE MASKS. WE USE EYE PROTECTION. WE HAVE SAFETY HELMETS. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING INTO A MANHOLE, WE ARE -- VENTILATION BLOWER SO THAT ALL THAT GAS IS NOT HIT YOU IN THE FACE. AGAIN, WE HAVE THE PROTECTIVE BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO ISSUES.

THERE IS ALWAYS A FAILSAFE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND SO WE ALSO FOLLOW OUR MANUFACTURER SAFETY PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS.

HOW TO OPERATE MACHINERY. THAT IS A MUST AND WE FOLLOW THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS. I'M GOING TO --

[02:20:01]

>> YEAH. MS. BOWERS . >> I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE I BELIEVE THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM ARE STILL A PWA CERTIFIED . Y'ALL WENT THROUGH THAT ACCREDITATION PROCESS. SO I THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT OUR PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ACCREDITATION PROCESSES -- YOU SEE THE STICKER ON THE SIDE OF THE TRUCK AND WE HAVE A PLAQUE AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT THOSE REALLY ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THOSE ENSURE THAT WE ARE USING BEST PRACTICES YOU DO GET RECERTIFIED. I NEVER HAD ANY FEAR THAT PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE WERE NOT BEING SAFE BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT CERTAINLY THE DOCUMENTATION IS AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY TO LOOK AT , WHATEVER PUBLIC WORKS PERSON YOU ARE.

THERE ARE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, AND WE ARE ACCREDITED BY THE NATIONAL -- ACCREDITATION BODY. THAT IS AN

IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW. >> BEING A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION , ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TRAININGS AND SEMINARS THAT CAN ASSIST TEAMS IN DETERMINING HOW THEY DO CERTAIN THINGS AS WELL. BUT DEFINITELY WE HAVE ESTABLISHED STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY.

>> SO UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES MIGHT A PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE HAVE TO ENTER A MANHOLE? BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT. BUT I WOULD ASSUME IN A GRAVITY SYSTEM THERE IS ALWAYS SOME EFFLUENT

MOVING THROUGH A SYSTEM. >> WHAT IF THERE IS PIPE OR

SLUDGE ? >> THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN INTO THE

SYSTEM TO CLEAN THAT OUT. >> IN SOME INSTANCES. YES.

>>

LIKE A TERRIBLE THING TO DO. >> WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED OOSTER CAUSE AND STUFF OF T NATURE. WE CAN EXTEND FROM FIVE FOOT UP TO 20 FOOT. NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 IF WE ARE GOING INSIDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE ARE SEALING A MANHOLE.

AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT MANHOLE. TYPICAL CLEANING OUT. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE HIGH PRESSURE

>> I REMEMBER SEEING THOSE WHEN YOU GUYS WERE WORKING ON LIBERTY GROVE PREVIOUSLY. THE ROWLETT TRUCK. THAT IS FOR SANITARY

SEWER LINES? IT IS. >>

SLUDGE OUT . >> GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ARE WE AT A POINT WE COULD TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK?

>> WOULD YOU LIKE A BREATHER?

>>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RECONVENE.

IT'S 8:30 P.M. AND PLEASE CONTINUE.

IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, YEAH, PLEASE CONTINUE.

>> THANK YOU. IS THAT BETTER? SORRY. I APOLOGIZE.

I REALIZED MUCH, MUCH LATER -- I CAN START OVER, IF YOU LIKE.

SO, COUNCIL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. WE TALKED ABOUT OUR DATA READINGS. AND WE'VE DONE ALL THAT.

BUT BEYOND THAT, I ALSO WANT TO BRING TO THE FOREFRONT SOME OF THE WASTE WATER STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED SINCE 2020 AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THOSE STUDIES AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.

SO IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STUDIES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN ROWLETT. WE ENGAGED THE SERVICES OF GRANTHAM AND ASSOCIATED IN 2020 THEY CONDUCTED A SURVEY.

THE ACRONYM IS SSES. IN THAT EVALUATION THEY CONDUCTED MANHOLE INSPECTIONS, THEY ADDRESSED THE CONDITION OF THE LIFT STATIONS IN ROWLETT AND THEY ALSO DID AN INI ASSESSMENT.

WITH THIS STUDY, AND AS A RESULT OF THIS STUDY, 1,000 MANHOLES WERE REHABILITATED. THE PERIOD OF THAT REHABILITATION WAS 2012 TO 2019.

REITERATE IN 2010 A STUDY WAS CONDUCTED AND BETWEEN 2012 AND 2019 MANHOLES WERE REPAIRED. THE CRACK SEALING THE COATING, THE BENCHING, THE RING AND MANHOLE COVER REPLACEMENT.

WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? THE IMAGE IN FRONT OF YOU

[02:25:03]

AND THIS AGAIN ALLOWS THE STRUCTURE TO FUNCTION AT ITS FULL CAPACITY. FORWARD IN 2012, GRANTHAM WAS AGAIN ENGAGED BY THE CITY TO CONDUCT A WASTE WATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

NO FURTHER UPDATE TO THE MASTER PLAN HAVE OCCURRED SINCE.

BUT THAT IS ON OUR RADAR. WE ARE UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. SO MY GOAL TO DISCUSS THESE ITEMS WITH YOU IS TO SHOW YOU THAT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND ULTIMATELY ON A FUTURE SLIDE I WILL DISCUSS OUR NEXT STEPS, POTENTIAL FUTURE NEXT STEPS. IN 2016, AGAIN WITH GRANTHAM, ANOTHER SANITARY SEWER EVALUATION SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED. AND WHAT THIS DID IS IT UPDATED THE EXISTING INI ASSESSMENT THAT THEY HAD CONDUCTED.

FURTHERMORE, AS PART OF THIS 2016 EVALUATION, OR STUDY, THEY IDENTIFIED, THEY MEANING GRANTHAM, IDENTIFIED TEN LIFT STATIONS TO ABANDON. IN 2017 ONE OF THOSE LIFT STATIONS WAS ABANDONED. IT WAS THE EDGE WATER LIFT STATION. AND INSTEAD A GRAVITY FLOW SANITARY SEWER PIPE WAS INSTALLED.

THERE ARE NOW ADDITIONAL LIFT STATIONS, AS PART OF THIS SAME STUDY, FOUR LIFT STATIONS THAT ARE IN DESIGN TO BE ABANDONED.

HOWEVER, THIS PROGRAM WAS DELIBERATELY PAUSED BECAUSE OUT OF ALL THESE STUDIES THE LIFT STATIONS TO BE ABANDONED WAS DEFINITELY IDENTIFIED.

BUT THE STUDY DID NOT IDENTIFY OR ILLUSTRATE THE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS THAT -- IF YOU REMEMBE THAT BIG FLOWCHART I SHOWED YOU, WHAT ARE THE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS? TRY AND IMAGINE THAT MAP I SHOWED YOU WITH ALL THE GREEN LINES SHOWING THAT 2,000 PLUS MILES OF PIPING. WELL, WHAT ARE THE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS AND FURTHERMORE IMPLICATIONS IF WE ABANDON THESE LIFT STATIONS NOW WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWNSTREAM? WHAT ARE WE RECEIVING? DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY? ARE OUR SIZINGS ACCURATE? WHAT IS THE INI? WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE? SO THAT IS WHY THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PAUSED NOW BECAUSE WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND OUR IMPLICATIONS WHEN WE DO SOMETHING.

FAST FORWARD TO 2019. R.J. N WAS ENGAGED TO STUDY CITY WIDE INI, IN- FLOW EVALUATION.

OUT OF THIS STUDY, FIVE BASINS WERE IDENTIFED WITH HIGHER INI THAN INDUSTRY STANDARDS.

WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? THERE ARE TYPICAL INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT SAY NO MORE THAN X AMOUNT OF INI SHOULD TRAVEL THROUGH YOUR SYSTEM. IN THIS CASE, THAT IS 10,000 GALLONS PER DAY PER 1,000 LINEAR FEET OF SEWER PIPE. THE TWO BASINS WITH THE MOST EXCESSIVE INI OUT OF THE FIVE BASINS THAT THEY EVALUATED WERE SELECTED FOR FURTHER STUDY.

THEY DID ALSO NOTE THAT WITH GRANTHAM'S MANHOLE ASSESSMENT AND THE REHABILITATION THAT TOOK PLACE, THAT THE INI CONDITIONS HAD IMPROVED. SO IN 2019 THE EVALUATION OCCURRED. IN 2021 R.J. N. LOOKED AT THESE TWO BASINS. THIS IS FN 04 AND FN 09.

THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.

IN 2021, WITH FN 04 THEY DID SMOKE TESTING AND CC TV FOOTAGE WAS CONDUCTED IN 2020. SO IN 2020 THE WORK OCCURRED AND IN 2021 WE RECEIVED A FINAL REPORT.

IN 2023, BOTH BASINS WERE EVALUATED.

MANHOLE INSPECTIONS OF THESE BASINS WAS CONDUCTED IN 2021. SMOKE TESTING FOR ONE OF THE BASINS WAS CONDUCTED IN 2023. AND AS A RESULT, OUT OF THESE SMOKE TESTS AND OUT OF THESE INSPECTIONS CAME A STUDY, A FINAL STUDY, IN 2023 THAT STATED CITY -- THERE ARE $13.17 MILLION OF REHABILITATION EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THIS R.J.N. STUDY.

>> LET'S PAUSE. WAS FUNDING EVER ALLOCATED TO MAKE THOSE NECESSARY REHABILITATION EFFORTS AT ANY POINT IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, FOUR YEARS FOR EITHER THE 2021 STUDY OR THE 2023 STUDY?

[02:30:02]

>> COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC IN THAT, MAYOR?

>> DID WE -- SO WITH THE 2021 STUDY, WE DID SMOKE TESTING, CCTV, I'M ASSUMING OUT OF THAT CAME SOME EITHER RECOMMENDATIONS OR WE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE PARTICULAR PROBLEM AREAS. WAS THERE SPECIFIC FUNDING THAT WAS SET ASIDE TO ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEM AREAS?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. PART OF ITS HARD TO COMMENT ON WHAT WAS DONE. WE HAVEN'T LOOKED BACK, BUT GENERALLY NO. WE JUST GOT THE MOST RECENT REPORT IN FAIRNESS TO ANYONE THAT'S BEEN HERE BEFORE IN 2023.

>> UH-HUH.

>> SO, WE HAVE NOT -- ASIDE FROM OUR ORDINARY MAINTENANCE DOLLARS, WE HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY SET ASIDE CAPITAL DOLLARS JUST FOR THIS.

WE HAVE SOME SOLUTIONS WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT

TONIGHT. >> RIGHT.

>> OKAY. AND SO THOSE ARE JUST TO PUT EVERYTHING INTO CONTEXT, THEY IDENTIFIED FIVE BASINS THAT POTENTIALLY HAVE ISSUES. DID STUDIES ON TWO THAT SEEM THE MOST PROBLEMATIC.

>> EGREGIOUS, YES.

>> THAT'S GOING TO COST US ALMOST $14

MILLION. >> AT THAT TIME,

YES. >> IN

$2023. >>

RIGHT. >> AND WE HAVE THREE MORE BASINS THAT DO STILL HAVE ISSUES AS WELL.

>> CORRECT.

>> OKAY.

>> WHICH GOES BACK TO -- OR GOES FORWARD TO NEXT

STEPS. >> OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO FRAME THAT REALLY CLEARLY BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG COMMITMENT.

>> CORRECT.

>> SO THIS FUNDING IS PART OF UTILITY FUNDING, IS THAT CORRECT? THESE ARE NOT GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, THESE ARE UTILITY

DOLLARS. >> THAT'S

CORRECT. >>

CORRECT. >> I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT --

>> DEFINITELY.

>> IMPORTANT POINT THAT THESE ARE NOT -- THESE DOLLARS WILL COME FROM WATER AND SEWER RATE PAYERS.

>> CORRECT.

>> CORRECT.

>> AND ON YOUR PREVIOUS SLIDE TO THIS ONE, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS NO -- NO PART OF THE STUDY THAT IDENTIFIED HOW THOSE LIFT STATION ABANDONMENTS WERE GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT

DOWNSTREAM. >>

CORRECT. >> MY QUESTION IS, IN THEORY, AGAIN, I'M AN IDIOT, SO HELP ME OUT.

IN THEORY, THE SAME VOLUME OF A FLUENT IS COMING FROM THE SAME GROUPING OF CUSTOMERS THAT UTILIZING THIS SYSTEM, IT'S JUST COMING AT A DIFFERENT RATE, RIGHT? IT'S COMING EITHER WITH A LIFT STATION ALL AT ONCE OR IN SPURTS VERSUS A STEADY STREAM AND A STEADY FLOW?

>> CORRECT. NOW, WE HAVE FOUR SYSTEMS -- FOUR LIFT STATIONS IN DESIGN TO BE ABANDONED CURRENTLY.

IN 2016 THOSE LIFT STATIONS WERE IDENTIFIED.

TO DATE WE HAVE SEEN MORE DEVELOPMENT WHICH THEN ADDRESSES THE COMMON DENOMINATOR OF WHERE DOES IT GO? IS IT ADEQUATELY SIZED TO HANDLE THESE ABANDONMENTS.

>> SO LET'S DO THIS BECAUSE I THINK MAYOR YOU'RE ASKING SOMETHING THAT -- TO A LAYPERSON, WHICH I AM -- I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BLAME ANYBODY, BLAME ME. I ASKED THE QUESTION SOME TIME AGO, HEY, HOW COME IT CAN'T HANDLE WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM? SO WHY DON'T WE ASK SOMEBODY ON STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE ENGINEER, PATTERSON, WOLVERINE, I DON'T KNOW WHO, BRETT. I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO ANSWER BUT SOME OF YOU CAN GIVE A MORE ELEGANT ANSWER TO IN MY VERY SIMPLISTIC WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT, ONE IN, ONE OUT.

>> RIGHT.

>> BUT IT INVOLVES MORE FACTORS THAN

THAT. >> I CAN SPEAK TO AT LEAST ONE OF THE LIFT STATION ABANDONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TO ABANDON TWO OF THESE LIFT STATIONS THAT ARE --

>> JUST PULL THE MIC UP TO --

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> TWO OF THE LIFT STATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ABANDON ARE IN THAT KIND OF SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE CITY WHERE ALL -- EVERYTHING KIND OF GOES DOWNHILL, TWO OF THOSE LIFT STATIONS WHERE I THINK THERE'S LIKELY THINK TEN- ISH OF THOSE LIFT STATIONS IN THAT AREA. THE PLANS WERE TO ABANDON THOSE LIFT STATIONS AND INSTALL GRAVITY SEWER THAT WOULD DIRECT FLOW INTO A DIFFERENT LIFT STATION IN THAT AREA. AND SO, THERE WERE PLANS TO PUT -- ABANDON BASICALLY THREE OF THESE LIFT STATION STOS GO INTO ONE OF THESE OTHER ONES. WE DO NOT HAVE THE STUDIES ON HAND TO SHOW THAT THE ULTIMATE RECEIVING LIFT STATION HAS THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL FLOWS.

>> SO WHAT I JUST HEARD IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LIFT STATION ABANDONMENT AND THAT LINE IS GRAVITY FED IT'S MORE OF A CONSOLIDATION, REROUTING A FLOW TO ANOTHER LIFT STATION THAT MAY NOT BE EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THE VOLUME AT

THAT POINT. >> CORRECT.

THE STUDY ITSELF BASE ON THE REPORT IT WAS JUST IDENTIFYING LIFT STATIONS THAT HAD MINIMAL FLOW, HAD HIGH MAINTENANCE COSTS AND WERE -- THESE WERE POTENTIAL EASY ONES THAT WE COULD TRY TO ABANDON AND REDUCE OUR LONG- TERM MAINTENANCE COSTS. HOWEVER, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PROPER RECEIVING FACILITIES TO ACCEPT THEM, THEN IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL FOR US TO ABANDON THEM AT THIS POINT.

>> OKAY. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU.

>> NO PROBLEM.

>> OKAY. I'M GOOD WITH THESE COUPLE

[02:35:01]

>> AS I INTIMATED WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR NEXT STEPS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE ARE GOING TO ENGAGE WITH SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.

IF YOU RECALL, WE HAVE AN ENGINEER'S OPINION REGARDING THE VOTER ISSUE. WE ARE GOING TO ENGAGE WITH MEADE AND HUNT TO FURTHER CONTROL OUR ODOR CONTROL MEASURES. THAT'S OUR FIRST STEP.

WE ALSO NEED TO UPDATE OUR WASTE WATER MASTER PLAN.

IDENTIFY CURRENT AND FUTURE CAPACITY NEEDS.

AGAIN, IF WE DON'T IDENTIFY THOSE IN LINE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, BACK TO WHAT BRIAN JUST MENTIONED ON WHAT ARE WE COLLECTING? WHAT ARE WE RECEIVING? WHERE DOES IT GO? WHAT IS THE BURDEN THAT WE'RE PLACING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE? IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS, THEN IT'S A MOOT POINT. SO WE ABSOLUTELY MUST UPDATE OUR WASTE WATER MASTER PLAN. WE ALSO NEED TO UPDATE THE CURRENT SYSTEM CONDITION, WHICH I JUST ALLUDED TO IN MY PREVIOUS SENTENCE.

EVALUATE THE CONDITION OF THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE MANHOLES, THE INTEGRITY OF THE SEWER LINES, ARE SOME LINES PERFORATED.

HAS THE CURVED CHANGE? ISSUE WITH THE LINES? THE LIFTATIONS R THEY FUNCTIONING THE WAY THEY NEED TO? ARE THEY FUNCTIONING AT THEIR OPTIMAL LEVEL.

IF NOT, WHY NOT? AND OF COURSE, WHICH WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT WASWAS POTENTIAL INI AND OTHER DEFICIENCIES WITHIN THE SYSTEM.

SO, TO CLOSE THIS AND FULL KNOWING THAT THESE ARE OUR NEXT STEPS, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN OVER THIS PRESENTATION TO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TO DISCUSS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF AN INI PROGRAM AND THE FISCAL ASPECTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

>> SO BEFORE WE SWITCH OVER, I WANT TO ADD SOME CONTEXT TO THIS. SO WHAT IS GOING TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IS AN IN- HOUSE INI MAINTENANCE AND EVALUATION PROGRAM. SO, HE'S GOING TO DISCUSS THE MONETARY ASPECTS AND THE WORK ASPECTS, BUT THERE'S A POINT I WANT TO MAKE TO AND THIS I'LL BE QUICK.

WE, MEANING THE ADMINISTRATION, DIDN'T COME UP WITH THIS PROGRAM.

I WOULD LOVE TO SAY I'M THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE ROOM, BUT I'M NOT. I'M POINTING THIS OUT BECAUSE THIS WAS A STAFF- DRIVEN INITIATIVE.

THE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF, BRETT, WILLIS, CHRIS, THEY DECIDED THAT THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS BUSINESS.

NOW YOU ALL KNOW WHY I'M MAKING THIS POINT BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ENGAGED, HAPPY WORK FORCE, YOU DO NOT GET THIS PROGRAM.

SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE MISCONSTRUING WHAT IS JUST A FROM OUR EMPLOYEES OF WORK AND EFFORT AND DESIRE TO IMPROVE THIS CITY AND TRYING TO MISREPRESENT IT AS SOME DICTATE FROM CITY STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION ON TO THEM. IT IS JUST THE OPPOSITE.

THEY PUT THEIR COLLECTIVE MINDS TOGETHER.

THEY DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ANALYSIS WHICH WE'RE GOING TO USE IN THIS PRESENTATION TO TRY TO BRING FORTH THIS PROGRAM. NOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO GIVE US ANY DECISIONS ON THE PROGRAM TONIGHT.

WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE ANALYSIS.

BUT, WHAT WE WANTED TO GET WAS YOUR TEMPERATURE ON THE IDEA OF THIS PROGRAM.

AND CHRIS TO HAVE WILL GIVE YOU A GREAT, GREAT PRESENTATION.

>> REAL QUICK, IS MINAL GOING BACK UP TO FINISH HER PART?

>> SHE'S DONE FOR THE NIGHT UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

>> I DID HAVE QUESTIONS.

>> SHE'S AVAILABLE.

>> I WAS TRYING NOT TO INTERRUPT.

SORRY. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE. OH, IS IT A WHOLE DIFFERENT DECK?

>> IT'S OKAY. DISREGARD.

NO. WELL, YEAH.

I THINK WE HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S FINE.

GO AHEAD. >> THE QUESTIONS IS ABOUT THE SMELL AGAIN. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT'S THERE NOW FROM THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM THAT'S ING THE SMELL IN THE PAST THAT THE RESIDENTS DID NOT SMELL?

>> SPECIFICALLY LIBERTY GROVE.

>> UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S WHY I WAS SEEKING CLARIFICATION. I CAN TRY TO ATTEMPT THE LIBERTY GROVE CONCERN. JUST RECENTLY THE CITY UPGRADED AND INSTALLED A NEW SEWER LINE AT LIBERTY GROVE. THAT LINE WAS UPGRADED.

AND SO AS A RESULT, IT WAS UPGRADED TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE CAPACITY AND NEEDS.

AND SO THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL LIKE I SAID IN THE STUDY FROM OUR ENGINEER'S OPINION, THEY HAVE TO SEE WHERE IS THE ODOR COMING FROM AND WHY.

SO THAT COULD BE AN OPTION, A POSSIBILITY.

SO, YES, THERE MIGHT BE INCREASED ODOR.

IT COULD BE A MYRIAD OF ELEMENTS JUST COMING COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER AT ONE TIME AS WELL.

>> LET ME HELP WITH THAT. BECAUSE I TALKED TO THE GUYS THAT REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE JUST TALKING HEAD. AND I WANT ONE OF YOU --

[02:40:02]

>> THERE'S MULTIPLE FACTORS WITH THIS.

ONE OF THEM BEING THE CONDITION OF THESE EXISTING PIPE THAT WAS IN THE GROUND.

IT LOOKED LIKE SWISS CHEESE. YOU HAD HOLES IN A PIPE THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE HOLES IN. WHAT IT WAS DOING WAS ALLOWING THAT GAS TO ESCAPE THROUGH THE GROUND, THROUGH THE SOIL AND DISSOLVING WITHOUT EVER SMELLING. NOW YOU HAVE A PIPE THAT IS COMPLETELY SEALED, CORRECTLY. THAT HAS BEEN TESTED, MULTIPLE TIMES. THAT DOES NOT ALLOW THOSE GASES TO ESCAPE THROUGH THE SOIL.

THE GASES HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE. THE ODOR HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.

AND THAT ANSWER IS YOUR VENT STACKS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT EXACT REASON.

>> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CHRIS, EXCUSE ME, MARVIN. BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF THE PIPE YOU HAD SO MANY HOLES IN IT, THE SMELL WAS JUST KIND OF GETTING SPREAD OUT AND DISSIPATED OVER A MUCH LARGER AREA AS OPPOSED TO NOW YOU'VE GOT A NEW PIPE.

IT'S ALL SEALED. SO PROBABLY THE GASES ARE CONCENTRATING MORE AT THE MANHOLES AND OTHER PLACES.

THAT'S HOW YOU EXPLAINED IT, MR. HALL.

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SO, CHRIS I'M GLAD YOU'RE UP HERE BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION BEST FOR YOU. YOU KNOW, WE'VE INSTALLED A NUMBER OF NEW MANHOLES AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

AND THEIR CERTAINLY NOT PACKED DOWN, AS INSULATED WITH DIRT AND GRIME AND EVERYTHING WITH THE ROAD, SO THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME SMELL THAT'S GOING TO COME UP FROM THOSE AS WELL. IS THERE A BETTER WA I TO SEAL THOSE MANHOLES OR ADD SOME SORT OF GASKET OR SOMETHING TO HELP PREVENT THAT? I'M TALKING NOT THE ONES NECESSARILY DOWN BY MUDDY CREEK BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE VENT IS ANY WAY, BUT THE ONES IN THE HOMESTEAD NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG LIBERTY GROVE, ALONG

PRINCETON. >> YES.

WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT THEY CALL RAIN GUARDS.

IT'S A PLASTIC PEN THAT GOES INSIDE. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A RUBBER SEAL AND THE POSSIBILITY OF ONCE WE -- NOW THAT WE'VE NAILED DOWN THE ISSUE AND WE KNOW IT'S NOT A SAFETY CONCERN OF ACTUALLY BOLTING THOSE MANHOLE LIDS DOWN.

>> SO WHEN YOU SAY RAIN GUARDS. IS THAT AN INI THING ALSO?

>> YES.

>> IT'S ACTUALLY TO PREVENT WATER FROM COMING IN BUT HAVE THE DOUBLE BENEFIT OF PREVENTING GASES GOING OUT. ALL RIGHT.

SEE. NOT JUST A HAT RACK, MAN.

>> SO THERE'S ONE MORE QUESTION.

I THINK, IN MY OPINION, I'M NOT NO EXPERT BUT I HAD TO DEAL WITH IT IN MY PAST LIFE, TOO.

BUT THE LANDFILL. WHEN I'M UP THERE, I SMELL THE LANDFILL. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS THAT DO WE KNOW WHAT CELL THE CITY OF GARLAND IS CURRENTLY USING AND WHERE ABOUTS IN OUR CITY IS IT? IS IT MORE DOWN TOWARDS THE MUDDY CREEK AREA BECAUSE IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN FURTHER UP TOWARDS WATER VIEW GOLF COURSE AND STUFF ON THE TOP.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW?

NO? >> I DO NOT KNOW.

NO?

>> OKAY. BECAUSE THAT SMELL IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB IN COVERING AND DOING THE THINGS THEY DO AND THEY ALSO HAVE I'LL CALL IT ODOR EARS AND NOT USING THOSE, THERE'S ISSUES THEN WITH IT.

>> AND THAT'S MOST NOTICEABLE DURING THE WINTER MONTHS WHEN THE WIND IS COMING OUT OF THE NORTH, WHICH IS WHERE THAT

IS. >> EXACTLY.

>> I THINK WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF GARLAND WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO FIRST IDENTIFY WHERE THIS ODOR ISSUE WAS. I BELIEVE TCQ IS LOOKING INTO THAT AS WELL AT THE LANDFILL AS WELL AND SHOULD HAVE A REPORT ON THAT ONE AT SOME POINT.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN. BUT I KNOW THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE LANDFILL AS WELL.

>> WILL WE GET --

>> THEY GET THE SAME COMPLAINTS IN THAT HOMESTEAD AND WATER VIEW- ISH AREA IS ALSO NEAR THE LANDFILL. I THINK SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS --

>> CAN THAT BE SHARED WITH US?

>> TCQ WILL BE SHARING THAT REPORT.

WE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING IT FROM THEM.

>> THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU.

>> GO AHEAD. NO, PLEASE.

>> OKAY. I WANTED TO BACK UP ONE MORE TIME TO THE BACKUP GENERATORS FOR ALL OF STATIONS.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE HAVE PLANNED TO DO?

>> WE'RE TRYING TO FILL ALL THESE NEEDS.

I WOULD BE LYING TO YOU IF WE HAD A ROBUST FULL- BODIED PROGRAM NOW, BUT WE BEGUN LOOKING AT IT.

I THINK WE GOT ONE ON TAP TO BE INSTALLED.

>> WELL, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A PLAN FOR ALL OF THEM BECAUSE WE HAD PLANNED TO DECOMMISSION SOME OF THEM, SO THOSE ARE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO HAVE A BACK- UP GENERATOR. BUT WE DO HAVE A MOBILE GENERATOR THAT CAN BE DEPLOYED AND CAN GO TO DIFFERENT LIFT STATIONS AND/OR OTHER IES TO PROVIDE POWER AS NEEDED.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> OKAY. WELL, THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO -- I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IN ANY FUTURE FUNDING

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DISCUSSIONS. >> WE'RE GLAD TO ADD IT.

IT'S JUST --

>> YEAH. NO.

>> PART OF THE LARGER

CONVERSATION. >>

SURE. >> I THINK A LOT OF THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED WITH ARPA FUNDING WHEN THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED AND THE CITY GOT MONEY.

I THINK A LOT OF IT HAPPENED THROUGH THAT OR MAYBE OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT'S BEEN DEPLETED.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE --

>> I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT THE FOLKS HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE SEWER. AND DOING ALL THAT HARD WORK BECAUSE THAT'S A JOB NOBODY WANTS TO DO.

YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A LOT OF HARD WORK.

AND I KNOW YOU READ FACEBOOK AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR SOME OF THAT, THAT'S HAPPENING TO Y'ALL BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR JUST AS IT HAPPENED TO MY COLLEAGUES AND THE POLICE.

WE ALL GET TAGGED WITH STUFF. WE GET BEAT UP.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HOPEFULLY WE COULD DO. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING IS KNOCK DOWN THAT STINK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT SOME OFOF THESE, I GUESS, WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM WET WELLS AND MAYBE DO THAT THROUGHOUT IF FUNDING NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THAT. THEN I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

TRY TO GET THE STINK DOWN THROUGH THE WHOLE CITY.

THANK YOU.

>> YEAH. NOT JUST THAT, THE DOSING ALSO.

I THINK THE COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO THINGS IS THE MAGIC BULLET THAT YOU FOUND THAT WORKS.

>> SO OPERATIONALLY WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING INTO IT. IF IT'S A FUNDING ISSUE, WE'LL DEFINITELY COME BACK AND GET YOUR PERMISSION.

IT MAY BE -- CHRISTOFF IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE INI.

BEFORE YOU SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY, THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE YOU NEED TO PAY

FOR. >> SURE.

>> MENAL, HOW OFTEN -- IS THERE A STANDARD FOR HOW OFTEN WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT OUR WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN EITHER THROUGH UPDATES OR THROUGH A COMPLETE REVISION. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN I SAY COMPLETE REVISION, I'M TALKING ABOUT A FIRM TO COME OUT AND DO A COMPLETE SURVEY, IF YOU WILL, OF THE SYSTEM.

>> A FULL- BLOWN MASTER PLAN. IN THIS INSTANCE WE'RE AT AN UPDATE STAGE BECAUSE IT ENABLES US TO SEE WHERE WE ARE.

WE'VE DONE CAPACITY STUDIES WITH THEM ALREADY.

SO AN UPDATE IS TYPICALLY EVERY FIVE YEARS.

AND THEN EVERY TEN -- NOW WE HAVE STARTED TALKING ABOUT AN UPDATE DISCUSSION. BUT GENERALLY INDUSTRY STANDARDS IS TEN YEARS AND FIVE YEAR UPDATES. GENERALLY, DEPENDING ON HOW RAPIDLY YOU'RE GROWING AS WELL.

>> SURE.

>> SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OR FACTOR THAT IN IN TERMS OF DO WE NEED AN UPDATE OR NEED A FULL BLOWN WASTEWATER MASTER

PLAN. >> THANK YOU.

THAT'S HELPFUL. THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT, CHRIS, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS. THANK YOU, MENAL, OR SOMEONE HAD SURMISED THAT BECAUSE WE HAD A FAILURE BOTH AT LIBERTY GROVE, THE SMELL AT 66TH AND ROWLETT ROAD AND THEN A BACKUP NEAR THE VINEYARDS AT MILLER ROAD AND BASICALLY THE LAKE, I'M GOING TO SAY. CA ROAN.

BECAUSE WE HAD THOSE THINGS THAT THOSE ARE SOMEHOW INTERCONNECTED AND PART OF SOME OVERARCHING PROBLEM THAT WE HAD WITH OUR SEWER SYSTEM.

WE IDENTIFIED MANY ISSUES FROM INI, TO CORROSION TO THIS FOG ACCUMULATION, FAT SOILS AND GREASE.

BUT IS THERE -- TALK TO US FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT.

ARE WE IN A STATE OF CRISIS OR ARE WE IN A STATE OF WE NEED TO MAINTAIN BETTER, WHERE ARE WE AT?

>>EER NOT IN A STATE OF CRISIS BECAUSE I GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY. I SAY THAT HONESTLY.

THE CA ROAN ISSUE, THAT WAS LITERALLY A GREASE ISSUE.

WE PULLED LOGS OF GREASE OUT OF THAT SEWER MAIN. THAT IS TYPICAL.

THAT HAPPENS IN A WASTEWATER SYSTEM PROBABLY TWO TO THREE TIMES A MONTH.

THAT IS GREASE BUILDUP. YOU WILL SEE IT HAPPEN A LOT MORE AND OCCUR PROBABLY WEEKLY DURING THE WINTER MONTHS BECAUSE IT'S COLDER AND GREASE -- IT THICKENS UP AND GETS HARDENED A LOT FASTER THAN IT DOES IN THE SUMMER MONTHS.

>> THAT HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER OUR FIRST COLD SNAP OF THE SEASON WHICH WAS THANKSGIVING WEEK, ALSO A DAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY PUTTING IN AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF GREASES DOWN THEIR PLUMBING.

>> YEP.

>> YEAH.

>> NOT A COINCIDENCE. OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW, SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE INI, UNLESS, COUNCIL, YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KIND OF THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM?

>> MAYBE NOT FOR PUBLIC WORKS, BUT PERHAPS IN A FUTURE WORK SESSION, ONE OF THE THINGS, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW AND MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW AS WELL IS I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR WASTEWATER CAPACITY IS -- WHAT IS THE ANALYSIS THAT GOES IN BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENTAL -- BEFORE DEVELOPMENTS ARE APPROVED? LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS IS. THAT'S PROBABLY -- THAT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A USEFUL WORK SESSION FOR OUR

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>> YEAH. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN -- SO THINK OF THE SAME WAY THAT WHEN WE CONSIDER A DEVELOPMENT -- THINGS LIKE WATERSHED AND RUNOFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE IMPACTED, RIGHT? AND WE TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY BE A FACTOR OF OUR DECISION MAKING. WE HAVE TO RELY ON CITY STAFF TO ENSURE THAT -- LIKE THE WASTE WATER MASTER PLAN BEING UPDATED SHOULD ACCOUNT FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

THE WATER -- THE WATER PLAN OF WATER VOLUME THAT COMES INTO THE CITY SHOULD BE A PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION. AND I'VE MENTIONED MORE THAN ONCE THAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUES A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHERE THEY LITERALLY HAD TO REDUCE CAPACITY BECAUSE THEY WERE LITERALLY RUNNING OUT OF WATER IN THE SYSTEM. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WATER LEAVING THE SYSTEM, OF COURSE.

BUT I HESITATE TO GET TOO FAR DOWN THAT ROAD OF HOW MUCH BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES BECOME AN OPERATIONAL MATTER WHEN YOU GET INTO THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.

NOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK STAFF THAT DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT IF WE CROSS OVER INTO MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR IT, THAT MIGHT BE -- I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD NEED --

>> IF ANY ANALYSIS THERE'S CAPACITY ISSUE, THEY'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT. THEY WILL NOT BRING THAT FORTH IF THERE'S CAPACITY QUESTION. YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO RUNOFF AND SOMETIMES EVEN WITH STREET CAPACITY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ENGAGEMENT -- SOME OF YOU HAVE INTERVENED AND SAID HEY WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, WE ARE PERFORMING THAT ANALYSIS. WITH EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES THROUGH THE CITY.

>> AND THAT'S ALSO WHERE YOU GET INTO THINGS LIKE HOLDING AN ESCROW FOR ROAD WIDENING OR ROAD IMPROVEMENT FEE AT SOME POINT. I KNOW WE DID THAT WITH A DEVELOPMENT UP IN -- OFF OF LIBERTY GROVE ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY WERE PRETTY UPSET ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WAS A PART OF THE IMPACT FEE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT BUILDING KNOWING THAT IT WAS GOING TO CARRY MORE TRAFFIC. AND I THINK THE -- I HAD ANOTHER THOUGHT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, SO WE'RE GOING TO LET THAT GO. THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.

GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT -- CERTAINLY OUR CAPACITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT, REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> YOU READY? >> I THINK SO.

>> I'M NOT SURE YOU ARE. SO, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT INI. I KNOW YOU NEVER HEARD OF INI BEFORE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT IT.

WE'RE GOING TO COME AT IT FROM A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT TREATMENT COSTS.

AND YOU GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN OUR RATE PROCESS FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, YOU'VE SEEN THIS IMPACT WHERE OUR -- INFLUENT HAS GONE UP PRETTY PA' A NEW METER INSTALLED. PART OF THAT IS GROWTH.

BUT PART OF THAT IS INI. IN FACT, WE BELIEVE THAT ABOUT 10% OF THIS INCREASE BACK IN '23 WAS DUE TO INI.

IF YOU APPLY THAT TO '25, THAT MEANS ABOUT $770,000 WAS US TREATING CLEAN WATER THAT GOT INTO OUR PIPES.

SO THIS IS HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT LOOKING MORE ABOUT ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE. AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAD THIS STUDY THAT WAS DONE ON TWO OF THE CITY'S 11 BASINS.

SO WE'VE GOT MORE WORK TO DO TO EVALUATE THE REST OF THE SYSTEM. AND THE QUESTION HERE -- AND JUST IN THOSE TWO BASINS THEY IDENTIFIED $13. 4 MILLION OR 13 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS BACK IN '23. SO, HOW DO WE GET THAT WORK DONE? HOW DO WE EVALUATE THE OTHER NINE BASINS AND HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT.

WE'LL START OFF WITH --

>> THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT'S LITERALLY FLOWING RIGHT UNDER OUR FEET.

AND IT'S COSTING US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT DATA, BREAK DOWN PROPOSA TO FIX IT AND REALLY ASK THE QUESTION, IS THE INVESTMENT WORTH THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS. ALL RIGHT.

HERE IS THE GAME PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE SCALE OF THE ISSUE. THIS RISING TIDE OF BASTE WATER AND WHAT IT'S DOING TO THE BUDGET. AND THEN WE'LL PINPOINT THE CULPRIT SOMETHING CALLED INI.

AFTER THAT WE'LL DIVE INTO THE BIG PROPOSAL.

WEIGH THE BIG DECISION DOING IT IN- HOUSE OR HIRING IT OUT AND GET TO THE MAJOR LONG- TERM SAVINGS. LET'S KICK THINGS OFF BY TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY. WE HAVE TWO CHARTS THAT HONESTLY PAINT A REALLY CLEAR PICTURE OF A GROWING FINANCIAL HEADACHE.

IT'S A PROBLEM THAT'S MOSTLY OUT OF SIGHT BUT HAVING A HUGE IMPACT ON THE BUDGET. FIRST UP, JUST LOOK AT THE RAW VOLUME HERE. THE AMOUNT OF WASTE WATER WE'RE TREATING IS CLIMBING AND CLIMBING.

WENT FROM 1. 5 BILLION GALLONS IN FISCAL YEAR 22 TO PROJECTED 23 MILLION IN '25. THAT'S A MASSIVE JUMP IN A REALLY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. AND OF COURSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE EXTRA GALLONS HAS A PRICE TAG

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I & I. OKAY.

SO WHAT IS THIS I & I THING? INFLOW AND INFILTRATION.

THE EASIEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS THIS, OUR SEWER PIPES SPRUNG A BUNCH OF TINY LEAKS.

THE CLEAN WATER IS INTO OUR WASTE WATER SYSTEM.

WE'RE PAYING TO TREAT CLEAN RAINWATER AS IF IT'S RAW SEW AGE.

IT'S A HUGE AND TOTALLY AVOIDABLE EXPENSE.

SO JUST HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM ARE WE TALKING SNABT GET THIS, BACK IN 2023, IT WAS ESTIMATED THAT A WHOPPING 10% OF OUR TOTAL WASTE WATER FLOW WAS FROM I & I.

THAT MEANS ONE OUT OF EVERY TEN GALLONS WE WERE PAYING MILLIONS TO TREAT DIDN'T NEED TO BE TREATED AT ALL. AND YOU KNOW, AS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE GETS OLDER, THAT NUMBER IS ONLY GOING TO GO UP. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM. WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? WELL, THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE ISN'T JUST A QUICK FIX OR A BAND AID.

IT'S A SINGLE, COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM DESIGNED TO DO TWO THINGS REALLY WELL.

FIND THE LEAKS AND THEN FIX THEM. THE BEST WAY TO PICTURE THIS PROGRAM IS LIKE A SINGLE TEAM WITH TWO SPECIALIZED UNITS. FIRST, YOU'VE GOT THE INVESTIGATION CREW. THINK OF THEM AS THE SYSTEM DETECTIVES. THEIR WHOLE JOB IS TO FIND THE SOURCES OF THE I & I. THEN, YOU HAVE THE REPAIR CREW.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE MEDICS WHO COME IN RIGHT AFTER TO FIX THE PROBLEMS THE DETECTIVES FIND.

AND THESE DETECTIVES THEY AREN'T JUST GUESSING.

THEY GOT SOME SERIOUSLY COOL TECH IN THEIR TOOL KIT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CCTV VANS SMOKE TESTING EQUIPMENT THAT MAKES HIDDEN CRACKS VISIBLE AND SUPER PRECISE FLOW METERS TO ZERO IN EXACTLY WHERE THE EXTRA WATER IS COMING FROM.

AND ONCE THE PROBLEM IS FOUND, THE REPAIR CREW MOVES IN TO MAKE PERMANENT. FIX AND I MEAN - THIS ISN'T ABOUT PATCHING THINGS UP FOR A FEW MONTHS.

THEY'RE DOING REAL STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, COATING MANHOLES, SEALING EVERYTHING UP TIGHT TO MAKE SURE THE LEAKS ARE STOPPED FOR GOOD. OKAY.

AND THIS IS WHERE WE GET TO THE REAL HEART OF THE MATTER.

THE QUESTION ISN'T REALLY IF WE SHOULD DO THIS BUT HOW.

DO WE BUILD OUR OWN EXPERT TEAMS FROM THE GROUND UP OR HIRE OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK. THE WELL THE NUMBERS HERE MAKE FOR A PRETTY CLEAR CUT CHOICE. LET'S LOOK AT THE REPAIR CREW FIRST. TO BUILD OFF ONE IN- HOUSE TEAM, THE FIVE-YEAR COST IS ESTIMATED TO BE $7. 1 MILLION. NOW, WHAT IF WE HIRED A CONTRACTOR IF R THAT SAME WORK? WHOA. THAT ESTIMATE SKYROCKETS TO 13.

4 MILLION. YEAH, YOU'RE SEEING THAT RIGHT.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS IS OVER $6. 3 MILLION. THAT'S THE PROJECTED SAVINGS ON REPAIR WORK ALONE IN JUST FIVE YEARS BY DOING IT OURSELVES. THAT IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE.

OKAY. SO WHAT ABOUT THE DETECTIVE CREW? IT'S THE EXACT SAME STORY.

THE FIVE- YEAR COST FOR AN IN- HOUSE INVESTIGATION TIME IS ABOUT 1. 8 MILLION. THE CONTRACTOR ESTIMATE FOR THAT SAME PERIOD 3. 3 MILLION. AND AGAIN, THE SAVINGS ARE JUST HUGE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL $1. 48 MILLION SAVED OVER FIVE YEARS.

WHEN YOU PUT THESE NUMBERS SIDE BY SIDE, THE FINANCIAL ARGUMENT FOR AN IN- HOUSE PROGRAM BECOMES PRETTY HARD TO IGNORE. SO LET'S PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER. WE KNOW THAT CREATING THESE TEAMS IN- HOUSE WILL SAVE MILLIONS IN THE LONG RUN. BUT TO GET THOSE SAVINGS YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN UP FRONT INVESTMENT. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE. OKAY.

FULL TRANSPARENCY HERE. TO LAUNCH THIS ENTIRE PROGRAM BOTH THE INVESTIGATION AND REPAIR CREWS, ALL THE EQUIPMENT, EVERYTHING, IT REQUIRES A TOTAL FIRST- YEAR FUNDING OF JUST OVER $2 MILLION. THAT COVERS ALL THE ONE- TIME PURCHASES AND STARTUP COSTS TO GET THE BALL ROLLING. AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TAKE AWAY FROM THIS WHOLE THING.

THAT INITIAL $2 MILLION INVESTMENT, IT'S NOT JUST AN EXPENSE, IT'S PROJECTED TO GENERATE OVER $7. 8 MILLION IN SAVINGS WITHIN FIVE YEARS.

THAT'S ALMOST A FOUR IN ONE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

IT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT FIXES A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROBLEM THAT IS ONLY GETTING BIGGER.

SO IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO ONE SIMPLE QUESTION REALLY, WHEN YOU'RE FACING COSTS THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEED TO KEEP RISING, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO MAKE A STRATEGYIVE ONE- TIME INVESTMENT TODAY TO SAVE OVER $7. 8 MILLION TOMORROW? THE DATA WE WALKED THROUGH SEEMS TO POINT TO A VERY, VERY CLEAR ANSWER.

>> LET'S PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND. SO FIRST OF ALL, I FEEL LIKE THAT VIDEO WAS JUST TO PREVENT ME FROM ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S FINE.

DID YOU GUYS CREATE THAT VIDEO WITH A.I.?

>> I DID.

>> YOU DID? IMPRESSIVE.

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I KNOW THIS WAS THEIR IDEA, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT DAVID SAID.

>> OH, IT'S THEIR IDEA FOR THE PROGRAM.

>> OKAY. YOU TURNED IT INTO A NICE PRETTY VIDEO. ME ALL THE DATA.

>> THIS IS FANTASTIC. FOR ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T KNOW HOW A.I. CAN IMPACT YOUR WORK FLOW, THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. BECAUSE IT TOOK WHAT I ASSUME WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND NOTES AND RESEARCH AND YOU DUMPED IT IN THERE AND CREATED ALL THE GRAPHICS FOR YOU AND CREATED THE VOICE OVER AND DID A VERY PROFESSIONAL PRESENTATION, SHOWED YOU THE COST SAVINGS, EVEN GAVE YOU FACTORS OF SAVINGS LIKE A FOUR TO ONE RETURN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, TRULY REMARKABLE. REALLY COOL PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S CHRISTOFF ON THE VOICEOVER.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR PUBLIC WORKS GUYS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ON THE MOON WITH THOSE SPACE SUITS OUT THERE DOING THAT÷÷WORK.

NO. GO AHEAD.

I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY REMARKABLE PRESENTATION AND I PERSONALLY NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS.

>> YOU'RE ENCOURAGING ME AND YOU'LL PROBABLY NEVER SEE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE AGAIN. JUST TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO MORE SPECIFICS. OF COURSE WE HAVE THE REPAIR CREW THAT'S FIVE MEN AND FAR MORE THAN A TRUCK.

AND THAT'S THE COST THERE. FULL THING ADDS UP TO $8.

9 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS. IT'S THREE PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT TO GO ON THE EVALUATION SIDE.

AND TO LOOK AT THAT OTHER NINE BASINS. YOU MENTIONED THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES DURING THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THAT 13 MILLION IS JUST TWO BASINS. THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S SUSTAINABLE OVER TIME, THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO. WE LOOK AT THE REST OF IT.

WE DEVELOP MORE NEEDS. AND WE ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS.

W THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

>> SO AGAIN $7. 8 MILLION IS WHAT WE'LL BE SAVING IF WE MOVE FORWARD COMPARED TO THE CONTRACTOR ESTIMATE.

THOSE ARE CONTRACOR ESTIMATES THAT WE DID GET FROM THE STUDIES THAT WERE DONE BACK IN 2023 AND SUBSEQUENT PROPOSALS TO ACTUALLY DO SOME OF THE INVESTIGATION WORK IS ABOUT $600,000 PER BASIN.

THEY MENTIONED EARLIER DURING THE SUMMARY THAT WE HAVE ABOUT $3 MILLION OF COST IN THAT FIRST YEAR.

ONCE YOU BUY THE EQUIPMENT, THEN THAT, OF COURSE, THAT ONE TIME COST DROPS OFF. BUT YOU SEE THE SAVINGS AS IT MOVES FORWARD. A YEAR AFTER YEAR.

AND THIS OF COURSE IS THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.

PROGRAM ONCE THIS CAPACITY IS BUILT CONTINUES ON INTO THE FUTURE AND CONTINUES TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND OUR SYSTEM AND KEEP IT WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS FAR AS BEING EFFECTIVE AND OPERATING EFFICIENTLY.

THESE ARE THE BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT THEY LET THE FIRST YEAR INVESTMENT. SO HERE'S THE CRUX.

WE HAVE GO THIS CHALLENGE OF ESCALATING COSTS.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE $7. 8 MILLION OPPOSED TO JUST FUNDING THE CIP AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

YOU KNOW, AND HIRING OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS TO DO THIS WORK. THE CHALLENGE, OF COURSE, IS HOW DO WE PAY FOR THAT? HOW DO WE PAY FOR THAT $8. 9 MILLION. SO WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU.

JUST ANOTHER WAY OF SORT OF LOOKING AT IT BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THOSE OPTIONS. YOU GET THAT FIRST- YEAR COST.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, THIS IS FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE AS FAR AS THE ON GOING COSTS.

WE'VE INCLUDED 10% ESCALATOR ON THE MATERIALS COST AND EQUIPMENT COST AND INCLUDED 5% ESCALATOR ON THE EMPLOYEES. THAT'S PRETTY CONSERVATIVE.

WE HOPE THESE COSTS WOULD NOT ESCALATE TO THIS LEVEL.

HERE ARE OUR FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS TO PAY FOR THIS.

WE USE ONE- TIME CAPITAL AND OPERATING RATES.

ONE- TIME CAPITAL REDUCE FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES AND GO THROUGH THESE IN DETAIL AND PARTIAL RATES. HYBRID.

ONE- TIME CAPITAL EXTENDING SOME OF THAT CAPITAL COSTS AND THEN SOME PARTIAL RATES OR JUST USING A BIG CHUNK OF CAPITAL TO COVER IT FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS. SO HERE ARE THE FIRST TWO OPTIONS. WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFER -- IN FACT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE RECOMMENDED AND DEFERRING SOME OF THOSE LIST STATION ABANDONMENT PROJECTS.

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WE HAVE ALMOST $070,000 ALREADY IN MANHOLE REPAIR.

CAPITAL FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO COVER THE CAPITAL COSTS IN THE FIRST YEAR. FROM THE SECOND YEAR ON YOU COULD ADDRESS THE RATES.

THE ESTIMATE TO COVER THAT COST IS 6 TO 7% INCREASE IN RATES.

CERTAINLY NOT INSUB STAN SHALL. ON AN AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $8 A MONTH. THAT WOULD COVER THE COST AND THAT'S KIND OF BEST PRACTICE.

YOU USE ONE- TIME MONEY TO COVER CAPITAL COST AND ON GOING RATES TO COVER YOUR OPERATING COSTS.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD DO. OPTION TWO WOULD USE -- ACTUALLY REDUCE THE DEBT WE ISSUE IN FUTURE YEARS. CURRENT PRACTICE IS TO ISSUE $7 MILLION OF DEBT EACH YEAR. THIS ONE WOULD REDUCE THAT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS DOWN TO 3.5. SO, IF WE'RE ISSUING FEWER DEBT, WE HAVE LITTLE MORE MONEY ON ANNUAL BASIS TO COVER OPERATING COSTS, SO WE WOULD USE SOME OF THAT ONE- TIME MONEY TO COVER ONE- TIME COSTS.

WE ISSUE SMALLER DEBT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

OF COURSE THAT WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENT. BUT IT WOULD ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY MITIGATE TIM PACT ON RATES.

SO OUR RATES WOULD BE 3 TO 4%, ABOUT $4 PER CUSTOMER PER MONTH. OPTION THREE, COVERS ABOUT 50% OF THE ON GOING COSTS THROUGH CAPITAL. SO IN THIS CASE WE WOULD BE USING THAT 600 -- THAT 6. -- $700,000 IN MANHOLE REPAIR. ABOUT 5. 2 OF MONEY WE'RE SAVING BY DEFERRING THOSE PROJECTS AND THEN USING THAT CAPITAL MONEY TO COVER SOME OF THE OPERATING COSTS OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. SO WOULD BE USING CAPITAL DOLLARS TO COVER THE OPERATING COSTS THE NEXT FOUR YEARS SIMILAR TO THE OPTION BEFORE WHERE WE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF DEBT WE WERE ISSUES, STILL USING CAPITAL FUNDS TO MITIGATE THE RATE IMPACT.

RATE IMPACT IS THE SAME BETWEEN OPTION 2 AND OPTION 3.

3 TO 4% IN THE RATE NEXT YEAR, ABOUT $4 PER CUSTOMER.

OPTION 4 IS BASICALLY USING CAPITAL FUNDING TO COVER THE PROGRAM FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.

SO IN THAT CASE WE WOULD USE UP ALL THE SAVINGS FROM DEFERRING THOSE LIFT STATIONS. AND ALSO PULLING SOME MONEY FROM THE WATER LINE UP SIZING. YOU MAY REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE CIP PROCESS WHERE WE HAD SOME MONEY SET ASIDE TO UP SIZE THE WATER LINE TO SERVE SAPPHIRE BAY. THAT IS NOT NEEDED FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, SO WE PULLED SOME FUNDING FROM THAT.

PUT IT TOGETHER WITH THE PREFERRED LIFT STATION SAVINGS AND MANHOLE REPAIR. WE WOULD HAVE THE $8. 9 MILLION TO COVER THE COST FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THE RATE IMPACT THERE 0.

THE COST, OF COURSE, IS YOU'RE TAKING CAPITAL DOLLARS FROM AWAY FROM POTENTIAL OTHER PROJECTS. SO THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF ONE EXTREME TO THE OTHER, COUPLE HYBRID OPTIONS THE MIDDLE. QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPTIONS. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

I APPRECIATE THE IVITY IN COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT WAYS TO EAT THIS EL ELEPHANT, SO TO SPEAK.

THE PLAN ITSELF U -- TALK TO ME ABOUT THE SCALEABILITY.

I'M ASSUMING YOU MENTIONED PURCHASING EQUIPMENT.

WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE, STAFFING? DO WE HAVE THE NECESSARY STAFFING? OR WOULD THERE BE A CREW OR A TEAM THAT WOULD BE HIRED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS?

>> TWO CREWS. FIVE FOR THE REPAIR.

AND THREE FOR THE INVESTIGATION.

>> OKAY. AND IS THAT -- LIKE HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO MOBILIZE THAT TEAM, DO YOU THINK? LIKE ARE WE ABLE TO FIND FOLKS WHO ARE --

>> SIX, EIGHT MONTHS.

>> THANK YOU. THIS IS GOING TO SEEM LIKE AN ODD BALL QUESTION, BUT I KNOW OUR EQUIPMENT STORAGE IS LIMITED AT OUR PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.

DO WE HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE TO KEEP THIS NEW EQUIPMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING, RIGHT? FOUR, FIVE, SIX TRUCKS AND A TRAILER?

>> YES. AND WE ARE ACTUALLY -- HAVE A PROJECT IN PLACE TO BUILD ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR STORAGE AND OPERATIONS. WE'VE GOT A $2 MILLION IN OUR CIP TO DEVELOP A NEW FACILITY.

>> PERFECT.

>> WE'RE WORKING ON THAT DESIGN RIGHT

NOW. >> PERFECT.

I LOVE HEARING THAT. AND YOU MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS THE CIP AND WHAT WE WOULD BE GIVING UP.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AGAIN -- I KNOW YOU CAN'T PRODUCE THIS ON THE SPOT RIGHT NOW, BUT ON THOSE WATER, WASTE WATER

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I KNOW WE AGREED THIS YEAR THAT WE WOULD NOT ISSUE REVENUE BONDS FOR THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR WATER, WASTE WATER, BUT WE HAVE EXISTING --

>> WE SKIPPED THE '25. WE SKIPPED '25 AND ISSUED $14 MILLION OF DEBT THIS YEAR.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> STANDARD IS 7.

>> SO WE WOULD BE -- WOULD OPTION 4 HERE ONLY RECAPTURE THOSE PIECES THAT WE'VE ALREADY ISSUED DEBT FOR?

>> RIGHT. THAT'S CASH ON HAND.

SO THAT'S MONEY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON HAND FROM PRIOR ISSUANCES THAT RIGHT NOW --

>> SO WHAT CAPITAL CAPACITY ARE WE GIVING UP? WE'RE GIVING UP THOSE DOLLARS BEING USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN ONLY SPEND A DOLLAR ONCE. IF YOU DO IT FOR THIS PURPOSE, THERE'S ANOTHER NEED YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEVOTE IT TO. WE'RE GOING TO THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.

>> LET ME STOP YOU TO. ANOTHER NEED WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DEDICATE IT TO.

IS THAT A NEED THAT WE IDENTIFIED, THAT WAS ON OUR CIP LIST OR THESE ARE PERHAPS A NEWLY- IDENTIFIED

NEED. >> THIS IS NOT CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY FUNDED IN THE CIP.

>> CORRECT.

>> OTHER THAN THE 6. 88 -- I MEAN, THE $688,000 IN THERE FOR MANHOLE REPAIR. THE REST OF THIS FUNDING IS FUNDING THAT WAS DEDICATED TO PREVIOUS NEED.

HOWEVER, THOSE ARE NEEDS THAT BASED ON IMPROVED INFORMATION WE BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T NEED IT RIGHT NOW.

>> RIGHT.

>> THAT WE CAN DEFER THOSE COSTS OR IN SOME CASES WE MAY NOT USE IT AT ALL DEPENDING ON FUTURE STUDY AND ANALYSIS REGARDING HOW THOSE LIFT STATIONS WILL WORK.

SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S FUNDING THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY

ALLOCATED. >> SO I THINK IT'S -- IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE OPTION 4 SLIDE THE ONE MAYBE PRIOR TO THIS, I THINK.

>> MAYOR, I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING.

>> PLEASE. >> YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO FUND SOMETHING ELSE.

>> YEP.

>> THAT'S KIND OF THE ABSTRACT SOMETHING ELSE.

REALLY IT'S A REDUCTION IN CAPACITY FOR FUTURE POTENTIALLY IDENTIFIED CIP PROJECTS, NOT SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED.

YOU REALLY ARE USING -- YOU'RE FUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE.

YOU'RE FUNDING CAPITAL MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENT.

WHERE AS ONCE BEFORE IF YOU FUND THIS THROUGH DEBT IN THE FUTURE, YOU WOULD HAVE ISSUED 7 MILLION. CAPACITY REDUCED 3. 5 OR WHATEVER THRESHOLD YOU WANT.

IT ISN'T SOMETHING -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD AS THE COUNCIL, IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S READILY IDENTIFIED.

THE ONLY PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DEFERRED ARE THOSE WE AGREED SHOULD PUT ON HOLD THE LIFT STATION

ABANDONMENT. >> THAT IS WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO KEY IN ON IS THAT BY -- IF WE WERE TO GOING GO TO OPTION 4, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE ARE THE THREE PROJECTS. THE MANHOLE REPAIR AND ALMOST 700,000. THE DEFERMENT OF LIFT STATION AT 6. 5 AND WATER LINE UP SIZING AT 1. 6 MILLION THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE PROJECTS.

ANYTHING ELSE WE IDENTIFIED FOR THE WATER, WASTE WATER, UTILITY FUND WOULD CONTINUE ACCORDING TO WHATEVER PROGRAM WE ALREADY

IDENTIFIED. >> THAT'S

CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> BUT DOES THAT ALSO -- I REMEMBER THAT WE DID NOT ISSUE THE DEBT IN THAT ONE YEAR BUT WE DID ISSUE THAT TO COVER THE EMERGENCY REPAIR ON LIBERTY GROVE. SO HOW DOES THAT -- HOW WOULD USING CAPITAL FUNDING IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO ISSUE EMERGENCY REPAIR DEBT?

>> THIS OPTION ACTUALLY IS BUILT ON THE CONTINUATION OF THE $7 MILLION OF REVENUE BONDS BEING -- CONTINUING TO BE ISSUED IN THE FUTURE.

SO THIS ONE DOESN'T IMPACT THAT FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCE PLAN.

IT USES ACCUMULATED REVENUE THAT'S IN OUR BANK RIGHT NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CURRENTLY ACTIVATE.

AND WOULD SET IT ASIDE FOR THIS PROJECT.

NEXT YEAR OUR PROPOSAL WOULD CONTINUE TO BE BUILT ON ISSUING $7 MILLION NEXT YEAR AND $7 MILLION THEREAFTER.

WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT RATE MODEL.

THAT'S WHY THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT RATES.

>> I THINK MAYBE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MS. BOWERS, YOU MENTIONED EMERGENT ISSUES. THERE'S A FUND BALANCE THAT WE HAVE CASH IN THE FUND ITSELF. WE HAVE TO GET A CONTRACTOR OUT HERE TODAY. THE SAME ISSUE WE HAD ON IB LIBERTY GROVE. THE LONGER TERM, THE DEBT ISSUANCE TO REFUND.

[03:15:01]

>> LET ME SAY IT MORE SIMPLY. THIS WOULD NOT EAT OUR ENTIRE DEBT CAPACITY. SO ACCORDINGLY, IF AN EMERGENCY AROSE PRESUMPTIVIVELY OF A SCALE THAT'S MANAGEABLE, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE SUFFICIENT DEBT OR A COMBINATION OF FUNDING SOURCES, SUCH AS, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID HERE WITH THE LIBERTY GROVE, WE PERHAPS FRONT LOAD THE COST OFF OF FUND BALANCE AND REPAY IT WITH DEBT.

BUT THIS WOULD NOT EAT THE ENTIRETY OF OUR DEBT

CAPACITY. >> HOW MUCH OF THE DEBT CAPACITY WOULD IT EAT?

>> DEPENDS ON WHICH OPTION YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

>> OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION IS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T NEED ADDITIONAL WATER FOR SAPPHIRE BAY?

>> WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT CONCLUSIVELY.

WE'RE SAYING WE CERTAINLY DON'T NEED IT IN THE NEAR-TERM.

THERE MAY COME A TIME WHEN WE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO UP SIZING THAT LINE. THERE WILL NEED TO BE NEW ENGINEERING STUDIES BECAUSE I THINK WE DON'T AGREE THAT THEY'RE CONCLUSIVE. SO THERE'S THAT.

AND SO IN THE NEAR TERM WE WOULDN'T ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TOWARDS THAT PROJECT.

>> AND THIS IS JUST A PORTION OF THOSE FUNDS.

IT'S NOT ALL THE FUNDS WE CURRENTLY HAVE SET ASIDE FOR THAT PROJECT.

>> GREAT PRESENTATION. GOT KIND OF TWO- PART QUESTION.

ANY OTHER CITY IN THE METROPLEX HAVE THEY ALREADY STOOD UP SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF?

>> THIS IS THE FIRST CITY I WORKED WITH THAT DOES NOT HAVE THIS, SIR. I HAVEN'T CHECKED WITH OTHER METROPLEX AREAS. I'VE BEEN IN FIVE STATES.

THIS IS THE FIRST --

>> HOLD ON. LET'S COUCH THAT.

I WANT ONE OF YOU TO ANSWER THAT.

I THINK THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED, YES, YOU NORMALLY HAVE SOMEBODY DOING SOME EVALUATION IN SOME DEGREE OF REPAIR.

I THINK TO BE FAIR TO THIS PROGRAM, THE EXTENT OF WHICH IS THE QUESTION I WOULD WANT ONE OF THEM TO ANSWER.

>> SORRY, CHRIS.

>> AS FAR AS I'M AWARE THERE IS NO OTHER CITY THAT'S DOING A PROGRAM OF THIS EXTENT.

>> OKAY. THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.

>> I'M ONE YEAR -- ONE MONTH AWAY FROM 20 YEARS AND I NEVER WORKED FOR A CITY THAT DOES TO THIS EXTENT.

>> SO WITH RESPECT TO STAFFING, I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO RECRUIT OUTSIDE? IS THIS -- ARE THESE SPECIALIZED SKILL SETS?

>> YEAH.

>> SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY CURRENTLY IN HOUSE?

>> WE HAVE A FEW IN- HOUSE THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A DISCUSSION MOVING THEM TO THE REPAIR GROUP. BUT YOUR HIGHER LEVEL CREW LEADERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WILL TAKE A SPECIALIZED SKILL SET.

>> SO, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER CITY THAT'S DONE THIS AND IT'S SPECIALIZED, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A MARKET OUT THERE WE CAN TAP INTO?

>> YEAH. THERE'S PRIVATE INDUSTRIES THAT WE CAN TAP INTO AND PULL PEOPLE

FROM. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>> I WOULD ASSUME THERE'S -- WHILE THERE'S OTHER CITIES THAT DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS SCALE, OTHER CITIES ARE LIKELY ENGAGING THE SERVICES OF CONTRACTOR TO DO THIS WHICH IS WHERE YOU GOT THE QUOTE IN THE PRESENTATION OF BEING THREE AND FOUR TIMES AS MUCH.

>> AND THEY DO THE WORK. IT'S JUST ON SCALE.

>> YEAH.

>> WE COULD REALLY BE BLAZING A TRAIL HERE, YOU KNOW.

EVERY OTHER CITY IS DEALING WITH THE SAME KIND OF WASTEWATER INCREASES THAT WE ARE.

>> REMEMBER OUR STREET CREW, RIGHT? WE HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS WHEN WE BROUGHT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR INTERNAL IN- HOUSE STREET CREW. YOU ASKED RIGHTFULLY SO A LOT OF THESE SAME QUESTIONS. COULD YOU GET ENOUGH PEOPLE? CAPACITY AND ALL THOSE THINGS. YOU NEVER CAN -- WE'RE NEVER -- IT'S LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE ONLY GROUP THAT'S STAFFED 100% IS PROBABLY FIRE.

MOST OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE NEVER AND IN ANY CITY STAFFED 100% IN FINANCE PROBABLY THE ONLY OTHER ONES.

THESE GUS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE A VACANCY, RIGHT? BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORK OF THE STREET CREW, WHICH IS THE NEAREST EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT PROOF OF CONCEPT, IF YOU WILL, I THINK YOU SHOULD. WE STARTED A PROGRAM THAT NOBODY HAD REALLY BEEN DOING ANYMORE.

CERTAINLY IN THE NEAR- TERM AND CITIES.

AND THE RESULTS -- I'LL TALK ONE PROJECT AND JUST ONE BECAUSE I THINK IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND THAT'S INDUSTRIAL. RIGHT? WHEN WE GOT HERE, TWO YEARS AGO, INDUSTRIAL WAS A PROJECT THAT HAD STALLED. AND THE REASON THAT IT STALLED IS BECAUSE THE FUNDING PROVIDED BY DART TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $5 MILLION IN ADDITION TO THE MARTIN STREET PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS WERE NOT SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE PROJECT. WE STOOD UP THE IN- HOUSE CREW.

THEY'RE ABOUT 99% DONE WITH MARTIN.

I MEAN, STRIKE THAT, WITH INDUSTRIAL AND MARTIN ALMOST. WE EXPECT TO SAVE ABOUT $4 MILLION. OUT OF A $5 MILLION BUDGET.

LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MINUTE. SO PROOF OF CONCEPT IS THERE.

SAY NOTHING OF THE FACT THAT THEY COMPLETED THE PROJECT

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BECAUSE WHAT PEOPLE FORGET, WE'RE NOT THE BIGGEST FISH IN THE POND. SOMETIMES THE CONTRACTORS WILL JUGGLE US, PUT US ON THE BACK BURNER. I GET IT.

IT'S BUSINESS, RIGHT? THESE PEOPLE ARE DEDICATED TO OUR EFFORTS. SO I COULD TALK MORE ABOUT THE PROOF OF CONCEPT, BUT I THINK THAT ONE PROJECT ALONE SHOULD ILLUSTRATE THE EFFICACY, THE VALUE OF THE PROJECT.

NOT PERFECT BUT I THINK WE'VE PROVEN THE CONCEPT CAN WORK IF WE'RE DEDICATED TO IT.

>> THANKS, CHRIS.

>> I APPRECIATE THE CONSERVATIVE PRICING MODEL.

DOES THAT FACTOR IN THE POTENTIAL LONGER- TERM SAVINGS OF WHAT I & I IS COSTING THE CITY RIGHT NOW?

>> NO. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT I WAS MAKING ON THIS SLIDE WHICH IS CAVEATS HERE WHICH IS OF COURSE THESE ARE VERY PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE. IT'S A PARTIAL ASSESSMENT.

IT'S BASED ON JUST TWO OF OUR 11 BASINS. SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL WORK TO BE DONE OUT THERE. AND INVESTIGATION TO DO.

AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE POTENTIAL SAVINGS IF WE ACTUALLY TIGHTEN UP THE SYSTEM AND REDUCE THE FUTURE FLOW COSTS FOR US.

SO THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD CERTAINLY OFFSET THE COSTS MOVING FORWARD.

>> SO, I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO SAY.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY IT. BACK IN PROBABLY 2023, I WOULD ASSUME -- MAYBE IT WAS 2021.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHEN WE RENEWED THE CONTRACT WITH GARLAND WASTEWATER. THEY HAD US INSTALL A NEW

METER. >>

CORRECT. >> RIGHT?

>> YEP.

>> WHEN THAT NEW MEETER WAS INSTALLED WE STARTED GETTING DIFFERENT READINGS ON OUR RATES.

SUDDENLY THERE WAS THIS MOMENT OF PANIC, WE HAD WAY MORE WASTEWATER WE WERE PUMPING INTO GARLAND THAT THEY WERE PROCESSING FOR US THAT WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.

THAT RESULTED IN OUR WASTEWATER FACTOR OF OUR OVERALL UTILITY BILL. PART MIGHT BE A METER. I THINK THERE'S BEEN AN I & I ISSUE FOR MANY YEARS. THAT'S DRIVEN HOME THAT WE DID A NUMBER OF STUDIES AND NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED UP TO THIS POINT, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED.

AND SO, A LOT OF THIS, TO YOUR POINT, MIKE, OF WHY IT NEEDS TO BE THIS SCALEABLE BECAUSE WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP OF YEARS OF PERHAPS NEGLECT OF THE SYSTEM THAT HAS RESULTED IN WATER FINDING ITS WAY IN THROUGH A VARIETY OF MEANS. SOME OF IT CAN BE AT LEAST ATTACKED THROUGH A PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.

IF YOU HAVE A CLEAN- OUT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A CAP ON IT. RIGHT? THAT'S THE PUBLIC. BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE MOST OF THIS WATER IS COMING FROM.

10% OF ALL OF THIS WASTE WATER SNOT COMING IN THROUGH A PIPE THAT'S THIS BIG.

IT'S COMING THROUGH MAJOR OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS TEAM.

SO I THINK THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS HERE IS EXTREMELY NOTABLE.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE RATE INCREASES WE'VE SEEN AND THE ABILITY FOR US TO GET THOSE UNDER CONTROL, AT LEAST FROM A OUTSIDE INFILTRATIONER PERSPECTIVE IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS ISSUE DIDN'T CROP UP OVER NIGHT.

IT DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN BECAUSE WE NEGLECTED THE SYSTEM OVER THE LAST 12 OR 18 MONTHS. THAT'S NOT THE REALLISTIC ASSESSMENT OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

IT HAPPENED OVER MANY YEARS BECAUSE OF NEGLECT OR A LACK OF IMPLEMENTING THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS RECOMMENDED BY STUDIES THAT WERE DONE.

AND PERHAPS WE WENT THE WRONG DIRECTION.

WITH GOING AFTER LIFT STATION ABANDONMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE MISTAKES. THAT HAPPENS.

BUT THIS APPEARS TO BE THE RIGHT COURSE OF ACTION AT THIS TIME TO TAKE TO MITIGATE A LOT OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING. I MENTION THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE SEWER THING IS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I ASKED FOR IT TO BE ON HERE.

I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT TO BE ON HERE BECAUSE OF THIS.

THIS IS A LONG- TERM ISSUE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

I & I IS AN ACRONYM I ED BACK IN 2022 BECAUSE IT BECAME AN ISSUE AND HAS BEEN AN ISSUE ALL THIS TIME. IT'S NOT PREDICATED ON THIS CONVERSATION. IT'S NOT PREDICATED ON SOME SYSTEM WIDE FAILURE WE HAVE. IT'S PREDICATED ON NEGLECT THAT'S RESULTED IN THESE NEEDS.

>> I WOULDN'T SAY THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

THE CHALLENGE IS BEING CONSISTENT. YES THEY MISDIRECTED FUNDING.

THEY TRIED. 1,000 MANHOLES IS NOTHING TO BUT IT IS ABOUT CONSISTENCY. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS CREW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.

MUCH LIKE THE STREET CREW, THIS CREW ISN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE. IF YOU ALLOW US TO IMPLEMENT THIS. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A DECISION TONIGHT. WE STILL ARE WORKING THROUGH THIS. BUT THIS CREW WILL JUST BE PART OF YOUR WORK FORCE.

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>> IS THERE ANOTHER VIDEO?

>> NO. JUST FINAL THOUGHTS.

THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT I & I. AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT A CONTINUAL ASSESSMENT OF OUR SYSTEM.

TO ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES AND LIKELY REDUCE THE RISK OF UNEXPECTED FAILURES IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THESE LINES, SMOKE TESTING THESE LINES.

WE ALL WENT THROUGH THE COST AND EXPENSE AND DISRUPTION OF LIBERTY GROVE. YEAH.

THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT IS JUST WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO REDUCE THE RISK OF THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE, I THINK.

YEAH.

>> QUESTIONS?

>> I GOT A QUESTION REAL QUICK. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

IF WE CHOOSE TO DO OPTION 4 IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND WE TAKE THE 1. 62 MILLION, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS OF THE WATER UP SIZING, COULD THE TERS, SAPPHIRE BAY AND THERE'S TWO RIGHT, ONE IN BAY SIDE, COULD THAT MONEY BE USED FOR THAT UP SIZING IF WE SO NEEDED?

>> YES AND NO. AND I HATE TO GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER BUT IT DEPENDS ON A LOT OF FACTORS, SOME OF WHICH I'M NOT AT LIBERTY TO DISCUSS IN THIS OPEN SESSION.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> COUNCIL, OTHER QUESTIONS? IN OPTIONS 3 AND 4, YOU HAD JUST A DIFFERENCE -- I KNOW. LEAVE ME ALONE.

STOP IT. IN OPTIONS 3 AND 4 YOU HAD A DIFFERENCE IN THE DECOMMISSIONING COSTS.

WAS THAT JUST A FACTOR OF --

>> HOW MUCH WE NEEDED.

>> OKAY.

>> IT WAS JUST SIMPLY -- YOU KNOW, I'M SHOOTING TO HOW MUCH FUNDING WE NEED IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT OBJECTIVE, SO I DIDN'T NEED TO TAKE ALL THE FUNDING FROM THAT

PROJECT. >> SO WHEN YOU SAY DEFERRED LIFT STATION, IS THAT LIFT STATION DECOMMISSIONING OR ABANDONMENT WAS THE RIGHT WORD?

>> ABANDONMENT.

>> IT'S THE ABANDONMENT. THAT'S NOT LIFT STATION CAPITAL MAINTENANCE DOLLARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT?

>> NO. IT'S JUST THE FOUR PROJECTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE -- -- HAVE PUT ON HOLD UNTIL WE COMPLETE THE ANALYSIS THAT MENAL TALKED

ABOUT. >> DOES THAT COMPLETELY DEPLETE THAT FUND?

>> AGAIN OPTIONS 2 AND 3 DO NOT COMPLETELY USE UP ALL THOSE FUNDS. OPTION 4 WOULD USE UP ALL THE FUNDS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON HAND, NOT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE PLANNED FOR THOSE PROJECTS THROUGH THE CAPITAL PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD.

>> OKAY. AND THIS IS -- I PROMISE THE LAST QUESTION BECAUSE I THOUGHT OF THIS EARLIER.

COULD COUNCIL INDIVIDUALLY OR IN SMALL GROUPS GET A TOUR OF THE LIFT STATION? TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH?

>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO SMELL STUFF, SURE. WE CAN ARRANGE IT IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED, ASIDE FROM THE MAYOR.

>> I WOULD BE INTERESTED.

>> OKAY. WE'LL WORK SOMETHING UP.

>> COOL. THANK YOU.

>> WEAR CLOTHES YOU'LL WANT TO WASH VERY QUICKLY THEREAFTER.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU ALL.

ENGINEERING, PUBLIC WORKS, MENA- L THANK YOU VERY, VERY

[6. Discuss Consent Agenda Items for December 16, 2025, City Council Meeting ]

D LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS COUNCIL ITEMS ON TOMORROW'S MEETING. ANY CONSENT AGENDA OR REGULAR SESSION ITEMS YOU WANT TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. COUNCIL OR THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.

OKAY. I WILL MENTION THIS AGAIN TOMORROW, BUT ITEM 5A WAS WITHDRAWN FROM CONSIDERATION, SO WE WILL NOT BE HEARING THAT ITEM TOMORROW BUT I'LL JUST MENTION IT TONIGHT SO YOU DON'T GO HOME AND DO A BUNCH OF RESEARCH ON IT. SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR

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