[1. Call to Order]
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          >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO TONIGHT'S WORK SECTION OF THE ROWLETT CITY COUNCIL. 
          TODAY IS MONDAY, MAY 18, 2026 AND IT'S 6 P.M. AND THE CITY 
          [2. Citizens’ Input]
COUNCIL HAS A QUORUM PRESENT IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM. 
          WE DO OPEN WITH CITIZENS' INPUT TAKEN IF THE YAWNED ON ANY TOPIC. NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL DURING THE INPUT. ANY REQUESTS TO SPEAK FORMS? 
          >> WE'RE ALL SET. >> ONE SPEAKER, SHELLBY COLEMAN. 
          >> SHELLBY COLEMAN FROM ROWLETT. OFF THE CUFF YOU'LL KNOW THAT I LOVE DOWNTOWN AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND HONESTLY SINCE 2016 MY DREAM HAS BEEN TO SEE THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPED FROM ROWLETT ROW ALL THE WAY TO GEORGE BUSH SERVICE ROAD. NOT BECAUSE I'M CRAZY BUT IT HAS THAT MUCH POTENTIAL. AND YOU'LL KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT IT AND STUDYING OTHER DOWNTOWNS AND YOU'D BE SHOCKED HOW MANY DOWNTOWNS ACTUALLY PRODUCE WHAT OUR ENTIRE CITY PRODUCES IN REVENUE THAT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE EXTRAORDINARY BUT DOWNTOWNS CAN PRODUCE SIX TO TEN TIMES WHAT A SHOPPING CENTER PER ACRE CAN PRODUCE. 
          IT'S A WISE INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY AND OUR TIME AND OUR MONEY AND SO I'M REALLY HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN SEE OUR DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE ADOPTION TABLE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF QUICK AND EASY WINS AND SO MANY THINGS BEFORE US IN THE LOCAL AGREEMENT OR WE'VE SEEN MORE BRINGING FORWARD, THE PROGRAM, AND THE BUSINESSES ORGANICALLY INTERESTED. IT'S 3.5 MILLION IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT COMING FORWARD SO THERE'S SO MUCH EASY WINS SO MY ASK FOR COUNCIL IS TO REALLY JUST INVEST OUR TIME AND UNDERSTANDING THE BENEFIT. ALSO I DO WANT TO SEE A DOWNTOWN BOARD FORMED BECAUSE COMMUNICATION IS KEY. 
          ALSO CONSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE-- INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IS KEY AND WE'VE ALMOST ALL OF IT--LE IT, WE'VE LOST ALL INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE IN REGARD TO DOWNTOWN. THERE'S A LOT INVESTED IN IN TERMS OF CONSULTANTS SINCE EARLY 2016. 
          WE NEED TO LOOK BACK AT IT AND I KNOW THAT YOU'LL ALL BE EXCITED WHEN YOU SEE IT. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF. 
          THAT'S MY QUESTION. OH, REVISITING THE TOUR I     T. 
          I THINK THE LIST IS POTENTIALLY DATED. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M EXCITED FOR THE PRESENTATION. THIS ALL-STAR TEAM IS GOING TO KNOCK IT OFF. SO THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN PUBLIC WHO WISHES 
          [3.A. Receive a presentation regarding proposed amendments to the Rowlett Development Code (RDC) and Form Based Code (FBC) regarding requirements for a Special Use Permit for Liquor Store use.]
TO SPEAK? SEE NONE. 
          3A, THE RELEVANT DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FORM BASE CODE AND REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR LIQUOR STORE USE. 
          FOR THE PRESENTATION IS MUNAL. A NUMBER OF SLIDES BUT THEY'RE VERY ENTERTAINING. I PROMISE YOU. 
          TODAY AT THE BEHEST OF COUNCIL WE'RE LOOKING AT SPECIAL USE PERMIT FORMS FOR LIQUOR STORES. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT USE QUALIFIED. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THREE MAJOR ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PURPOSE OF OUR DISCUSSION. 
          ONE IS TO COLLECTIVELY REVIEW AND THE STAFF REPORT IN YOUR PACKET IS MORE DETAILED. AND THE INVESTMENT OF LIQUOR STORES IN THE ROWLETT DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STAFF IS DEVELOPMENTING PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR USE AND DISCUSS THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS AND NEXT STEPS. 
          RBC OR SBC DEFINE THE USE OF A LIQUOR STORE. 
          IT'S NOT A DEFINED USE IN OUR ORDINANCE. 
          IT'S SHOWN BY RIGHT IN THE GENERAL RETAIL AND THE RETAIL IN THE FORM BASED CODE. THERE'S NO ADDED REVIEW ASSOCIATED WITH SAID USE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RDC, LIQUOR STORE IS UNDER GENERAL AND I'M PARAPHRASING. 
          THE SALE OR RELEASE OF GOODS, NO ALCOHOL SPECIFIC CATEGORY IN. 
          RETAIL SALES IN A GENERAL CATEGORY AND IT'S THE SALE OF MERCHANDISE, FOOD AND BEVERAGES. THE LIQUOR STORE USE CURRENTLY FALLS BETWEEN THESE TWO BROADER CATEGORIES AND NO DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THEM. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE LOCATION OF EXISTING LIQUOR STORES AND THEY'RE IDENTIFIED IN 
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FRONT OF YOU ON YOUR SCREEN. ADDITIONALLY IN YOUR PACKET THERE'S A MAP THAT ILLUSTRATES WHERE THESE ARE. 
          IN THE PACKET ALSO, THE LOCATION GEOGRAPHICALLY AND I WANT TO USE THIS MAP TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE DISTANCES BETWEEN LIQUOR STORES. YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION IDENTIFIED HERE. AND THE DISTANCES BETWEEN THEM. 
          IT'S A VERY RUDIMENTARY MAP THAT IDENTIFIES JUST APPROXIMATIONS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE A CLUSTER HERE, A CLUSTER HERE, A CLUSTER HERE AND THOSE INSETS ARE ENLARGED HERE IDENTIFYING THE DISTANCES IN THESE LOCATIONS. SO WHY CONSIDER AN SUP? THE PURPOSE OF AN SUP IS TO PROVIDE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          IT ALSO ENSURES SITE SPECIFIC IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH SAID USE AND EVALUATES EXCITABILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE PATTERN AND BUILDING ENVIRONMENT. IT ADDRESSES THE NUMBER OF SIMILAR USES WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS AND IT IS NOT INTENDED FOR SPECIAL PRIVILEGES OR HARDSHIP OR RELIEF. 
          IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU-- LET ME GO BACK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION OF THE SAID USE, DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY, LIGHTING, THOSE ELEMENTS, LOCATION OF PARKING. I USED THE DRAFT LIQUOR STORE DEFINITION THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS DRAFTED FOR US. 
          I WON'T READ THROUGH THE WHOLE DEFINITION BUT I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT. IF IT WERE ADOPTED IT WOULD MEAN AN AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE XI AND FROM A DEFINITE PERSPECTIVE IS AMENDS DEFINITION 77-11 11-3 DEFINING THE LIQUOR STORE IN THE ROWLETT CODE. A DEEPER DIVE INTO ASSESSING WHERE THE SUP IS REQUIRED AND UNDER WHICH ZONING DISTRICT AND LOOK AT THE ROWLETT CODE DISTRICT, A MIXED USE WATERFRONT DISTRICT AND THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AND IN THE LIGHT AND GENERAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICTS, LIMITED COMMERCIAL RETAIL. 
          GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY, C1, 2 AND 3 AND OFFICE 1 AND 2 DISTRICTS. THESE ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE ROWLETT DEVELOPMENT CODE ALL ALLOW THE RETAIL USES I'VE IDENTIFIED HERE. IN THE FORM BASED CODE THAT WOULD APPLICABLE TO THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT BECAUSE THIS DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR NONMIXED RESIDENTIAL USINGS AS WELL AND THE COMMERCIAL STRICT AND THE URBAN VINTAGE CRIMINAL. 
          IT IMPACTS ALL THE -- IN NORTH 2 AND NORTH SHORE NORTH AND NORTH SHOUT       NORTH SHORE SOUTH. 
          ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS IF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD ON THIS USE. AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO INTRODUCE THE MINIMUM SPACING REQUIREMENT OF 1,000 FEET BETWEEN EACH PROPERTY LINE OF SAID USE AND I SHOWED YOU THE MAP EARLIER. 
          THIS WOULD AGAIN PREVENT CLUSTERING AND PROTECTS NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND IT WOULD NOT BE RETROACTIVE. 
          FOR INFORMATION IN ORDER TO PROCEED FORWARD A FORMAL DEFINITION WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED DRAFTED FOR YOUR REFERENCE IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. UPDATE OF THE SCHEDULE OF COMMITTED USES WHICH WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP FOR THE DISTRICTS JUST MENTIONED AND IT WOULD INCLUDE A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT OF 1,000 FEET AND IT WOULD BE ADOPTED IN BOTH THE CHROME BASE CODE AND THE ROWLETT DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          FURTHERMORE, IN ORDER SHOULD THERE BE COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO PROCEED THIS ITEM WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND SEEK THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ACTION BECAUSE IT'S AN AMENDMENT OF THE ROWLETT DEVELOPMENT CODE AND FORM BASED CODE. WITH THAT COUNCIL, I AM OPEN TO QUESTION AND SEEK YOUR CONSENSUS ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED. 
          >> THANKS, MUNAL, I BROUGHT THIS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I WAS LOOKING FOR OPTIONS AND SHE WORKED WITH THE STAFF AND THE STAFF PROBABLY DID MOST OF THE LEG WORK TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS 
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WORKS IN PRACTICE. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE OFTEN HEAR IS THE PROLIFERATION ON A PARTICULAR INTERSECTION OR CORNER IF YOU WILL. SO YOU END UP WITH SOME OF THOSE POCKETS THAT YOU SHOWED AND WHAT YOU DESCRIBED AND TO ME THAT'S WHERE THE 1,000-FOOT BARRIER COMES INTO PLAY AND I THINK REALLY WOULD MAKE AN IMPACT. I KNOW IT DOESN'T APPLY RETROACTIVELY THE EXISTING SPACES, BECOME LEGALLY 
          NONCONFORMING. >> NONCONFORMING AND THEN-- 50%. 
          >> AND IF THE STORE APPLIED -- >> CURRENTLY AS IT STANDS BUT IT CAN BE WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE. 
          >> I WOULD SAY IF IT CHANGES OWNERSHIP THAT STANDARD SHOULD APPLY AS WELL. WE HAD A SIMILAR CASE, A BIT DIFFERENT BUT A SIMILAR CASE WITH A BAKE SHOP THAT RELOCATED FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE OTHER AND THAT REQUIRED AN SUP REVISION COURSE BECAUSE IT WAS A DIFFERENT SITE AND THE SUP GOES WITH THE PROPERTY AND NOT THE OWNER BUT IN THIS CASE IF IT CHANGES OWNERS WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THAT PREECE AGAIN AND/OR THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE IF THE 1,000 FOOT RULE WAS IN PLACE AND THERE WAS ANOTHER EXISTING STORE WITHIN THE RADIUS OF THAT. 
          >> I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          >> GO AHEAD. >> IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WE CAN DO AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE AND POST SOME INFORMATION ON THAT SITE FOR INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES KNOW AS WELL BUT THIS 
          IS NEW-- [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> VERY GOOD. 
          NEVER WANT UNINTEND CONSEQUENCES. 
          IT'S SPECIFICALLY CALLED UP FOR CONSUMPTION, NOT RESTAURANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S CALLED OUT THAT GROCERY STORES AND CONVENIENCE STORES ARE NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE THEY'RE INCIDENTAL TO THE PRIMARY PURPOSE, CORRECT, HAVE WE IDENTIFIED ANY OTHER PICKUPS WITH EXISTING BUSINESSES IN THE CITY TODAY WHERE THEY MIGHT RUN INTO A PROBLEM? 
          >> NO. THE CITY ATTORNEY, VICTORIA AND I WENT THROUGH IT AND MADE SURE THAT WE'RE IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER AND THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS. 
          >> PERFECT. ARE THERE ANY, I'M CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE, STATE LAWS THAT LIMIT WHERE LIQUOR STORES CAN BE LOCATED SPECIFICALLY TO SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, DAY CARES, CHURCHES AND THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND WHAT IS THAT DISTANCE MARKER? 
          >> OH, GOSH, I BELIEVE FOR SCHOOLS IT'S 1,000 FEET DOOR TO DOOR AS YOU WALK ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND I'M LOOKING AT DEBBIE AS WELL BECAUSE SHE REINFORCES THE REGULATIONS AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THEY CAN HAVE A SPECIAL DESIGNATION IF THEY HAVE A SPECIAL USE OR VISIT, WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT AT THIS TIME I  I HAVE NOT COMMITTD THAT TO MEMORY. 
          >> THAT'S. I WAS MAINLY CURIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW THERE MAY NOT BE A LOCAL ORDINANCE TODAY THERE IS A STATE 
          LAW -- >> THERE IS THE REGULATION THAT IS GO THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO ENSURE THAT THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE ADDRESSED. 
          >> OKAY. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCES DRAFTED TWO SEPARATE HEARINGS? 
          >> ONE HEARING UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA AND ORDINANCES IN 
          CAPTION. >> I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND HAPPY TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION, I KNOW IT'S NOT RETROACTIVE AND DEPENDING ON IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT AND IF IT'S ENACTED, IT DOES AFFECT ANY LIQUOR STORE THAT'S NO PROCESS? LIKE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PERMIT? 
          >> THEY WOULD BE VESTED. ANYTHING SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE THEY WOULD IT BE. 
          >> ANYTHING WITH YOU PERMITTING? >> YES, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IF COUNCIL MOVED FORWARD WITH CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP WE WOULD 
          WRITE THAT IN THE CONDITIONS. >> I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. 
          MAINLY JUST FROM-- YOU KNOW, WE GET COMMENTS AND WE SEE A LOT OF POOLING OF CERTAIN TYPES OF BUSINESSES. 
          WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT, YOUR MAP, IT DOESN'T GIVE CREDENCE TO 
          THAT THERE IS THAT PERCEPTION. >> SURE. 
          >> BEING A FRESHMAN COUNCIL MEMBER I MAY HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE 
          BEEN A FRESHMAN. >> I'M NOT WASHING YOUR CAR. 
          >> MAYOR, I APPLAUD YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND STAFF FOR PUTTING THE WORK IN   IN ONS PARTICULAR MATTER. 
          THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME ON SCENIC AND 66. THEY ACTUALLY BEFORE THEY OPENED THEY TOOK OUT A BILLBOARD SIGN ADVERTISING IT WAS A LIQUOR 
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STORE AND STOP. THAT IS NOW OPENING IN THE PROCESS. I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE A LIQUOR STORE NEXT TO A BAR, NEAR A BAR BECAUSE THERE'S A BAR IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER AS WELL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LIMITATION ON LIQUOR AND VAPE SHOPS. WHAT I CALL FRINGE BUSINESSES. 
          YOU PUT THEM TOGETHER AND I'M NOT A POLICEMAN BUT IT'S A COMBINATION THAT'S NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR CITY. 
          THE STATE LAW SAYS IT CANNOT OPERATE WITHIN A DWELLING UNIT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN'T SELL LIQUOR OUT OF YOUR HOME. THAT WOULD BE A RESTRICTION THAT I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO DO. I THINK YOU SAID THERE WERE NINE LIQUOR STORES IN ROWLETT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.% 
          THANK YOU. >> YOU WANT TO ADDRESS BUSINESS, 
          ALL OF IT -- >> RIGHT. 
          SEEKING CLARIFICATION NOT NEXT TO A BAR, YOU TOLD ME, SHOPPING 
          CENTER -- >> 1400 FEET. 
          >> THE SAME DISTANCE, 1,000 FEET. 
          THEN AS IT RELATES TO HOME OCCUPATION THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE LIMITED USE AND LIMITATION AND ADJACENT TO THE STORES 1,00. 
          >> 1,000 FEET FROM    FROM WHATE TALKING ABOUT DOESN'T AFFECT THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER. 
          DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? >> ABSOLUTELY. 
          >> SO YOU DON'T-- TO BE CLEAR, YOU DON'T WANT A VAPE SHOP AND LIQUOR STORE OPERATING WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT? 
          >> NO. I DON'T WANT THAT. 
          A BAR. >> A BAR. 
          TWO SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS. OKAY. 
          LIQUOR STORE-- TACKLE THEM ONE AT A TIME, LIQUOR STORE AND A BAR NOT IN THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER, OBVIOUSLY CAN'T BE IN THE SAME. DO WE HAVE BAR CLEARLY DEFINED 
          IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES? >> WE DO NOT. 
          I'LL DOUBLE CHECK BUT NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          >> THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CLEARLY DEFINED BEFORE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU COULD END UP WITH A RESTAURANT. 
          >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF GRANDFATHERED IN. 
          >> YEAH, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO-- YOU'VE GOT TO BE TOKIOHAN AND A FEW OTHER RESTAURANTS. HANG TIME IS A BAR AND I DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE IN ANOTHER PLACE THAT RESTRICTS A LIQUOR STORE TO OPERATE. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          VAPE SHOP, YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT A VAPE SHOP IN THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER AS A LIQUOR STORE. 
          >> WE DON'T WANT A VAPE SHOP INSIDE A LIQUOR STORE. 
          THAT'S PROHIBITED USE. >> 10% OF SALES -- 
          >> RIGHT. THAT HEZBOLLAH A-- THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE WE NEED TO TACKLE. 
          THE SAME SHOP, BUT NOT THE SAME IS SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE OF 
          THE NUMBER OF VAPE STORES -- >> AND FOR COUNCIL -- 
          >> FOR SURE. >> THE 1,000 FEET, IS IT POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THAT TO 1500 FEET? 
          >> NO. IN FACT A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'LL HAVE TO DO MORE INVESTIGATION BUT YOU CANNOT BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN STATE LAW. 
          STATE LAW IS 300 FEET OF A CHURCH, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL OR PUBLIC HOSPITAL, 1,000 FEET FROM A PUBLIC SCHOOL IF THE COMMISSIONER'S QUOTING THE GOVERNING BODY OR GOVERNING BODY RECEIVES A QUEST FROM THE -- REQUEST FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES ON THE EDUCATION CODE OR A THOUSAND FEET FROM A 
          PRIVATE SCHOOL -- >> I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE ARE LOCATED -- BUT THIS PARTICULAR SHOP, THERE'S A HOUSE IN THE ALLEYWAY AND THIS LIQUOR STORE. 
          HE CAN LOOK OUT HIS BACK WINDOW AND ASK HIS KIDS TO JUMP OVER THE FENCE-- WELL, YOU GET THE POINT. 
          >> RIGHT. >> IT'S ADVERTISED, TOOK OUT A BILLBOARD ON 66, COMING SOON, LIQUOR AND VAPE SHOP. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT IN ROWLETT. 
          SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO RESTRICT THAT, COUNCILOR? 
          >> WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT BUT I'M JUST WARNING YOU THAT THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CODE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS-- IF IT'S NOT-- IF IT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN ONE OF THESE 300 FEET OR 
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1,000 FEET OF WE CANNOT RESTRICT IT. 
          BUT -- >> BUT ANOTHER POINT, A VAPE SHOP WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET WITHIN THE LIQUOR STORE. 
          >> BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE OF THE THINGS LISTED IN THE CODE THAT WE CAN RESTRICT THEN MY OFF THE CUFFE ANSWER WE CANNOT-- OFF THE CUFF ANSWER WE CANNOT BUT GIVE MORE TIME TO RESEARCH INTO THAT. 
          >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW A BLANKET RESTRICTION. 
          WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING IS AN SUP PROCESS. 
          AN SUP PROCESS ALLOWS YOU TO SAY NO. 
          BUT WHATEVER THE CRITERIA, IT FITS THE CRITERIA OF THE ORDINANCE SO WHETHER IT'S IN THE SAME OR WITH A VAPE SHOP OR CHOICE TO SOMETHING ELSE YOU'D HAVE ABILITY TO USE THE CRITERIA IN THE SUP PROCESS TO DENY THAT PERMIT. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T ALLOW THESE FACILITIES, ACCEPTED PLACES AND IN CONFIGURATIONS THAT YOU FIND ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S MUCH MORE SUSTAINABLE AND, YOU KNOW, EASIER FOR US TO GET TO THAT AUTHORITY RATHER THAN JUST A BLANKET RESTRICTION THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT DO X -- 
          >> I'LL JUST SAY THIS, I AM ADMITTEDLY THE FRESHMAN; HOWEVER, IT IS CONCERNING THAT I GO TO A HOUSE AND LOOK OUT INTO THE BACKYARD AND SAY, THERE'S A VAPE SHOP AND LIQUOR STORE ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY. HOW DID THIS THEY GET IN? SHOULDN'T BE HERE. AGAIN WITH RESTRICTIONS, YOU DRAFT IT HOWEVER YOU CAN BUT THIS CITY SHOULD LOOK AT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND LOOK AT THESE THINGS THAT PULL AWAY FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OTHERS DON'T ALLOW THIS. 
          IT'S PRIVATE. LET'S TIGHTEN RESTRICTIONS, 
          HOWEVER WE DO THAT. >> IS THERE A WAY TO PUT INTO THE DEFINITION, SOMETHING LIKE, A LIQUOR STORE SHALL SELL X AMOUNT OF SOMETHING, OR SOME WAY TO WEED OUT THE VAPE IN THAT 
          DEFINITION. >> THE DEFINITION WE PULLED FROM THE STATUTE OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CODE. 
          THAT'S WHAT VICTORIA MENTIONED. SO WE CANNOT BE MORE RESTRICTIVE 
          THAN THE CODE IS. >> OR THE DEFINITION. 
          >> YES. >> CORRECT. 
          THUS THE 1,000 FEET REFERENCE-- SORRY, 1,000 FOOT REFERENCE. 
          WE ARE GOING TO SEE INSTANCES IN ROWLETT BECAUSE THE SPACIAL OR GEOGRAPHY OF ROWLETT WHERE WE'VE GOT LISTENING ZONING RESTRICTIONS AS WELL AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL WARRANT NUMBER DID I NEW APPLICATION WOULD WARRANTY THE SUP PROCESS AND ESTABLISHES NEIGHBOURHOOD COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS OR IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE. IT WOULD GIVE YOU TEETH TO 
          UNDERSTAND. >> -- AS YOU WERE STATING IT KEEPS US OUT OF HOT WATER? HE HAVE SO RESTRICTIVE, AN SUP PROCESS BUT STILL FAIR HEARING ON THEIR PROJECT. 
          >> IT GETS YOU PASSED THE ORDINANCE BEING CHALLENGED. 
          IF YOU GET IT A PLACE WHERE THE ORDINANCE IS CHALLENGED AND THE ORDINANCE IS BOUND ILLEGAL THEY TAKE THE HIT WHEREAS THE SUP PROCESS THAT WE CAN DEFEND THEN YOU CAN SAY NO WITH THE COMFORT 
          THAT WILL BE SUSTAINED. >> SPECIFICALLY WHEN I LOOKED FOR IN MAKING THIS REQUEST WAS AN ORDINANCE THAT ANOTHER CITY ALREADY HAD IN PLACE. IT WASN'T AN ATTEMPT TO GO TO THE NTH DEGREE TO TRY AND RESTRICT THINGS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. WE HAVE LIQUOR STORES IN THE COMMUNE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY-- COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY VOTED TO ALLOW LIQUOR STORES. THERE'S NO BLANKET ACTION THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL TAKE TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW LIQUOR STORES BECAUSE WE'VE DOTTED EVERY I AND CROSSED EVERY T TO ALLOW THEM. JAMES BAY     VAPE SHOPS ARE A N OF WARMS AND THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T DO ITS INTENDED PURPOSE RIGHT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. 
          >> -- [INDISCERNIBLE] -- >> YES. 
          >> THEY DID ADDRESS SOME OF NO STUFF. 
          >> I'M WELL AWARE OF WHAT I ASKED FOR AND WHAT I ASKED FOR. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO BEND TO OUTLAW-- THIS IS NOT THE PROHIBITION. I GET THAT. 
          BUT WE CAN DO BETTER AND I'M JUST ASKING US TO RAISE THE BAR. 
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          >> I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. 
          I'M IN 100% SUPPORTIVE. AND THE VAPE SHOP-- AND [INDISCERNIBLE]-- THE PROCESS OF THE COMMUNICATION. 
          OUR LIQUOR STORE DEFINITION WORKS, THANK YOU-- BUT VICTORIA IS NOT HERE BUT 100% SUPPORT THAT THERE SHOULD BE LIQUOR STORES IN TRYING TO CONTROL THA THAT-- INDUSTRY. 
          >> CHRIS. >> HOW DO WE DEFINE THE LINEAL PERSPECTIVE OF 1,000 FEET? I HAVE HISTORY HERE IN THE PAST AND SOME OF YOU KNEW IT WAS INTERPRETED YOUR OWN WAY BECAUS OF THE 1,000 FEET SEPARATION. THEN TEACHERS I GOT TO-- THEN IT WAS I GOT TO WALK DOWN TO THE FENCE AND THAT ADDED THE 1,000 LINEAL FEET. THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE BECAUSE WHO SAYS YOU HAVE A BACK TO BACK TYPE OF THESE MALL TYPE AREAS OR THESE SHOPPIG CENTERS AND THEN THEY'RE CLOSE TOGETHER. 
          SO REALLY IT'S NOT-- IT'S MORE THAN 1,000 FEET ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED THROUGH THE BUILDING. 
          SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO HAVE AS WELL. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN TYPE IT UP HOW TO MEASURE THE 1,000 FEET IF WE GO AND SEE THE ATTORNEY TOO BUT IF WE LEAN ON THE REGULATIONS IT'S DOOR-TO-DOOR AS YOU WALK IN AND TO THE SIDEWALK, TO THE INTERSECTION AND CHRISTMAS THE INTERSECTION AND THAT'S ONE WAY TO DO IT. IF IT'S A SHOPPING CENTER, PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE AND SHORTEST DISTANCE AND WE CAN DEFINE THAT AS WELL AND I WOULD LEAN ON THE COUNCIL AND SEE 
          THEIR WISHES. >> IN THE PRESENTATION DIDN'T IT SAY PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE? 
          >> I ABSOLUTELY SUGGESTED PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE. 
          >> BUT IF YOU'RE IN A SHOPPING CENTER. 
          >> EXACTLY IF YOU'VE GOT THE 1,000-FOOT REQUIREMENT IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT WOULD BE PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE OF THAT PARCEL WHICH COULD HAVE MULTIPLE USE. 
          >> BUT IT ALSO-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- ALLEY TO THE HOUSE THEN YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE WITH AND THAT. 
          >> RIGHT. WE WOULD HAVE TO REVISE THE SUP BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING LIKE USES. 
          SEPARATION FROM. >> TO ME, THE INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCE WAS TO LIMIT THE PROLIFERATION OF LIQUOR STORES. 
          I FEEL IF WE GET TOWARD DOWN THE ROAD OF ONE CASE WHERE THIS IS HAPPENING IT BECOMES VERY SPOTTY. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO SPOTTY WITH THE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO DEFINE THINGS BECAUSE WE'VE EXPERIENCED THOSE ISSUES WITH OTHER ZONING ORDINANCES THAT WE PASSED AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO STEP IN THAT PUDDLE AGAIN. 
          >> I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND TOO FORWARD BUT THE SUP IN ITSELF WILL ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO ASSESS THE PLACEMENT AND OTHER ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE. 
          >> IF IT HITS THE CRITERIA. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          >> SO WILL ALL LIQUOR STORES THEN REQUIRE AN SUP? 
          >> YES. >> BUT ANY WITHIN 1,000 FEET 
          WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY -- >> PROHIBITED. 
          >> YES. AND ALL LIQUOR STORES WILL 
          REQUIRE THE SUP -- >> EXISTING ONES, YES. 
          WITH THE-- I'M SORRY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET CORRECT WITH THE SESSION THAT IF A NEW COE IS REQUESTED-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- WITHIN A 1,000 FEET. 
          >> OTHER THOUGHTS, COUNCIL? >> IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH -- 
          >> IT DOES. ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO POP THIS ON THE NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA. HOPEFULLY MIGHT GO STRAIGHT TO PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE MORE PUBLIC STATEMENTS AS RELATED TO TEXT AMENDMENTS AND WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT EXPEDITIOUSLY TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. 
          >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 1,000 FOOT RULE. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO ASK? 
          >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE IDEAS ARE THROWN OUT HERE AND WE BRING BACK WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE. 
          TRYING TO MAKE SOME NOTES. CERTAINLY ONE CHANGE WITH THE TRIGGER FOR THE SUP. EVERYONE LIKES THE IDEA. 
          WE HAD AN IDEA ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE PROPOSING TO BRING BACK CHANGES IN DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. THAT'S-- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE BROUGHT IT BACK AND IT'S WHAT 
          COUNCIL EXPECTED. >> THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IS MEASURED FRONT DOOR TO FRONT DOOR MIGHT BE THE SIMPLE. 
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... AS THE CROW FLIES KEEPS IT 
          UNDISPUTABLE. >> I DISAGREE, WE HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER BEHIND A HOME, WE HAVE THAT IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. I WOULD OBJECT LIVING BEHIND A 
          LIQUOR STORE. >> BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TWO LIQUOR STORES ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 1,000 FEET. 
          >> OH, SORRY. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          SO EVERY LIQUOR STORE WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP AND EVERY ONE BE JUDGED ON ITS OWN MERIT BY COUNCIL IF IT'S EXISTING, WHAT YOU'RE PRESCRIBING BUT TO BE AUTOMATICALLY INELIGIBLE 1,000 FEET FROM FRONT DOOR TO FRONT DOOR WAS REALIZED. 
          >> GOT IT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF OR COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. 
          [3.B. Receive an update regarding the implementation of the Downtown Strategic Plan.]
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MUNAL. 
          NEXT WE MOVE ON TO 3 .B UPDATE REGARDING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN. MUNAL IS BACK. 
          >> I'M BACK. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. 
          I'M EXCITED TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY NEAR AND DEAR TOPIC TO ME TOO. 
          WITH THAT I'M GOING TO DIVE STRAIGHT INTO THIS. 
          TONIGHT MY PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE YOU AN UNDATE REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN INITIATIVES. I MUST APOLOGIZE, I KNOW THE STAFF REPORT WAS LENGTHY BUT I WANTED THAT HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE TO SHOW WHERE WE'VE COME TO, WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE. THAT DOVETAILS INTO DISCUSSING IMPLEMENTATION EFFORTS TO ALIGN WITH THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN RECENTLY ADOPTED. DISCUSS THE BINDING IDENTITY TOPICS FOR THE DOWNTOWN, CRITICAL TO OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT AND AS ALWAYS SEEK YOUR DISCUSSION REGARDING LOGO AND REDESIGN PERTINENT TO THE APPLICATION IN AN EFFORT FOR STAFF TO COMPLETE AND FINALIZE THE DART APPLICATION. 
          I'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE. FOR THE EDUCATION OF EVERYBODY SEATED AT THE TABLE TONIGHT I'LL GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN ADOPTED IN 2024. IT ESTABLISHED A LONG-TERM DOWNTOWN VISION AND CREATED IMPLEMENTATION. 
          AS A RESULT OF THIS DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN THREE PRIMARY FOCUS AREAS. LAND USE AND CHARACTER, MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY, AND PLACE MAKING AND PUBLIC SPACES. 
          THAT BEING SAID WITH THOSE THREE PRIORITY AREAS THE PLAN ALSO WENT AHEAD AND ASSESSED THAT DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE, THE ALIGNMENT FOR IT, MAINTAIN THE ALIGNMENT, AND IDENTIFY FIVE AREAS, FIVE DISTRICTS, THE DOWNTOWN CORE WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, THE CIVIC HEART, EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA TOO. THE MAKER'S DISTRICT INCLUDING THE DART STATION, THE RETAIL RINK BEYOND THAT AND THE COTTAGE DISTRICT. I DO WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- IN 2018 WE ENGAGED WITH RSN AND THEY CONDUCTED A DOWNTOWN STRATEGY FOR THE CITY. FAST FORWARD TO 2023 THERE WAS A DOWNTOWN SURVEY CONDUCTED AND IDENTITY CONCEPTS PRESENTED IDENTIFYING A LOGO OPTION, SOME DOWNTOWN FURNITURE AND DOWNTOWN PUBLIC ART. FURTHERMORE, IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, THE COUNCIL RECEIVED A PRESENTATION REGARDING DOWNTOWN AND WHAT EFFORTS SHOULD BE PUT FORTH TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SINCE 2018 TO PRESENT DATE IMPLEMENTATION WAS NOT REALIZED. 
          DURING THIS TIME, OF COURSE, WE ALSO ADOPTED THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN. I WANT TO NOW TAKE A STEP DOWN MEMORY LANE SO TO SPEAK AND TALK ABOUT THESE DOWNTOWN LOGO OPTIONS. RIGHT NOW YOU MAY FEEL THE PRESENTATION IS DISJOINED BUT I PROMISE IT COMES TOGETHER. 
          THREE OPTIONS FOR DOWNTOWN BRANDING. 
          THEY'E ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OTHER OPTIONS PRESENTED AND THEY WERE NARROWED DOWN TO THREE OPTIONS THAT IDENTIFIED THE WATER TOWER, WHEN ROWLETT WAS ESTABLISHED AND, OF COURSE, IDENTIFYING THE DOWNTOWN. THIS DOES DOVETAIL INTO THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE WITHOUT HAVING A LOGO WEIGHT 
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PLANNING IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE. AND DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, REFINING AND REVISITING OUR BANNERS WITH OUR LOGO ON THEM AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN LIVE AND, YOU KNOW, EAT IN DOWNTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SOME MURALS WERE DISCUSSED. AN EXAMPLE THERE. 
          BUTTERFLY BENCHES. THIS IS MOVING FORWARD RAPIDLY BUT EVENTUALLY CAME TO A HALT AND-- HISTORICAL STEPS THAT TOOK PLACE BEYOND THAT. THAT BEING SAID-- BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND-- THESE ARE PART OF THE DOWNTOWN EFFORTS I CAN'T UN. 
          A FEW MEETINGS AGO CITY MANAGER BAUER PRESENTED TO US LIA OPPORTUNITIES WITH DART, SPECIFIC FUNDING OPTIONS WITH DART PROGRAMS. ONE WAS A PAVILION AND ONE WAS GMP FUNDING AND IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THEY RELATE AND THE SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN THEY ARENA VERY, VERY WELL TOGETHER. WITH THAT I'M NOW GOING TO DIVE INTO TALKING A BIT ABOUT THIS FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. 
          DART FUNDING HAS BEEN AVAILABLE TO REALIZE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN. CONSISTENT WITH THE STRATEGIC THREE PRIORITIES THAT I DISCUSSED AND MOST IMPORTANTLY CONSISTENT WITH THE FIVE DISTRICTS THAT I IDENTIFIED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN APPROXIMATELY 4.7 MILLION IN GMP FUNDING THAT SPANS SIX YEARS. SUPPORTING IMPROVEMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO START WORKING ON DOWNTOWN WAYFINDING, ESTABLISHING A PROGRAM, DESIGN AND PRODUCTIVITY AND I'LL SPEAK TO THESE AGAIN. REALIZING PARKING IMPROVEMENT, EXPANSION AND LOOKING AT FULL-TIME PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. 
          TO ENHANCE THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES IN THE DOWNTOWN THERE'S APPROXIMATELY $3.8 MILLION IN DOWNTOWN FUNDING THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR A PAVILION WHICH WAS ALSO APPROVED BY DART. 
          TO JOG EVERYBODY'S MEMORY DART PROVIDED A GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $4.5 MILLION FOR AN INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD. 
          WE CONDUCTED THE PROGRAM IN-HOUSE AND THAT BALANCE IS NOW ATTRIBUTED TO THE PAVILION. LET'S TALK ABOUT-- I TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDING AND NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN PRIORITIES IDENTIFIED IN OUR PLAN. 
          INSUFFICIENT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY. 
          THAT AUTOMATICALLY DIRECT RELATES TO WHAT DART IS DOING WITH THEIR GMP FUNDING BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING WE NEED TO IMPROVE RIDERSHIP AND PEOPLE COMING INTO THE DOWNTOWN AND WE HAVE A DART STATION AND MAKE SURE THERE'S CONNECTIVITY. 
          THE PLAN IDENTIFIED A RAILROAD BARRIER BETWEEN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS. WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND GMP HAVE FUNDING TO OVERCOME THAT. NAVIGATION AND THIS IS HUGE, IDENTIFY A LOGO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH UTILIZING DART'S OWN CONSULTANTS THAT THEY HAVE UNDER CONTRACT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WAYFINDING PROGRAMMING. ADMITTED PUBLIC GATHERING AND ACTIVATION SPACE. ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH DESIGNING A PAVILION. 
          LET'S LOOK AT THE GMP ELEMENTS THAT I DISCUSSED. 
          SIX YEARS, $4.7 MILLION. TO DATE WE CAN ACTUALLY REALIZE $473,000 TO START LOOKING AT PLANNING AND DESIGN 2027 ANOTHER FIGURE, THAT578 WHICH IS READY AND BEYOND THAT WE HAVE ESTIMATES WHICH WON'T MEAN THAT WE WON'T REALIZE THAT FUNDING BUT THOSE ARE THE ESTIMATES THAT CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROGRAM. THIS IS A BUSY SLIDE BUT TELLS A VERY GOOD STORY. AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FINALIZE AND SCOPE OUT IS AN APPLICATION FOR GMP FUNDING. THAT IS AN APPLICATION WITH DART. FOR THAT TO BE REALIZED I THINK I USED THAT WORD FAR TOO MANY TIMES TODAY BUT IN ORDER TO ACTIVATE THAT COMPONENT WE HAVE PRINTED A SCOPE OF WORK. 
          IT'S A MULTIPHASE PROGRAM THAT IDENTIFIES THE SIX YEARS' OF FUNDING AND THROUGH THAT IF YOU LOOK AT PHASE I WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN FORUM SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WE TALKED TO DART ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS PART OF THE CROSS AT MARTIN STREET. ASSESSING THE ABILITY OR AVENUE TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL PRODUCTIVITY POINT PEDESTRIAN 
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ACCESS. WHETHER IT'S AT GRADE OR WHAT BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT WE ARE WANT TO GET DESIGNING. DESIGN AND INSTALL A WAY LINING AND SIGN SYSTEM. IT'S NOT ALL SIGNS IN ONE SHOT BUT IT GIVES AN OPTION TO START DESIGNING AND LOOKING AT INSTALLATION PROGRAMS. DIRECTINAL SIGNAGE, MAPS, PARKING, INTEGRATED SIGNAGE MATERIAL AND VISUAL KITCHENS WOULD BE KEY. ENHANCING EV CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT TASK 1.1 THROUGH 1.4 THEY ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT ENERGIZING THE DOWNTOWN AND SPECIFICALLY THE DOWNTOWN CORE AREA AS WELL. THESE ALL ALIGN WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN IN THE DOWNTOWN. FROM MOBILITY AND DISCONNECTIVITY ASPECT-- CONNECTIVITY ASPECT, THEY'RE ALL THERE. THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE IDENTIFIED BUT THERE'S ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE REFLECTED IN TASK 1.2, 700,000 FOR THE DOWNTOWN. FUNDING WE ALREADY HAVE AVAILABLE. WITH THAT SAID, PHASE 1 SEEMS EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO US FROM A STANDPOINT OF COMPLETING THE APPLICATION FOR THE END OF JUNE. WE DON'T HAVE MUCH LEFT ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE A DRAFT APPLICATION IN YOUR PACKET TO REVIEW, PHASE 1, 1.1 THROUGH 1.4. WE HAVE A PHASE 2 WHICH FURTHER ENHANCES AND ADVANCES CONNECTIVITY AND WAYFINDING AND EXPANSION OF THAT AND PHASE 3. BEAR WE ME, THERE'S LOTS OF IMAGES BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THE MAP IS VERY ARCTIC     ARTID A PHASING PLAN WITH IT. 
          THERE'S POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A NEW-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENHANCING PARKING ALONG YOU BOYLE STREET. A VACANT PIECE OF LAND THAT COULD BE CONVERTED INTO PARKING. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PARKING FURTHER ALONG COIN STREET. 
          ALL OF THOSE ON THE STREET DIRECTLY IMPACT ACHIEVING THE DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC PLAN YET WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE GMP FUNDING TO REALIZE THIS AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO INSTALL A MIXED USE PAVILION ALONG HERE. ADDITIONALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT MULTI-MOBILE ASSETS RELATED TO THIS FUNDING THERE IS A DISCUSSION TO ENHANCE AND INSTALL A TRAIL, PEDESTRIAN TRAIL TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO DOWNTOWN. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PHASE 1 MORE SPECIFICALLY WE CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE ADDRESSING ACCESS, WE'RE ADDRESSING FOR SAFETY WITH EXISTING MEASURES WITHIN THE EXISTING CROSSING. WE'RE ADDRESSING WAYFINDINGS SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO GO AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PAVILION WHICH WOULD BE A VALUE-ADD NO DOUBT. 
          A MIXED USE CONCEPT AND A WHOLE OF USE FOR DOWNTOWN EVENTS AS WELL. DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE POTENTIALLY THE FACILITY. 
          SO NO LONGER A PIE IN THE SKY I THINK. 
          POSITION TO GET TO MOVE FORWARD. TALKING A BIT ABOUT COYLE STREET, THAT VIEW WAS BUSY BUT THESE ARE OPTIONS. 
          THESE RUDIMENTARY DRAWINGS BUT WE HAVE ABILITY TO ENHANCE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE AREA. THE MIXED USE PAVILION, THIS IS NOT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BUT A SHARED SPACE AND WHAT IT COULD BE USED FOR. WE HAVE A SIMILARITY THAT RELATES TO OUR LIGHT FIXTURES AND THAT HISTORIC FEEL WOULD COME INTO PLAY. THE BANNERS THAT I MENTIONED, THE SIGNAGE, YOU ARE HERE, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO? THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. PHASE 2 WE HIT ON IN THE PRIOR IMAGE AND THE PRIOR SLIDE BUT IT IDENTIFIES GATEWAYS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. EXPANDINGED ACCESS POTENTIALLY. 
          THOSE TYPES OF ELEMENTS. PHASE 3 LOOK AT MULTI-MODAHL TRAIL AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENHANCEMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AND WHETHER IT'S PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND PEOPLE CAN WALK FROM THE STATION TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO BUT THE CENTRAL FOCUS POINT WOULD BE DOWNTOWN. THE GOAL IS TO BRING PEOPLE INTO 
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THE DOWNTOWN. AND TO SATISFY THE DART FUNCTION IS TO USE THE RAIL TO COME TO THE DOWNTOWN AND TO DOWNTOWN EVENTS. HOPEFULLY THE MAIN STREET WOULD BE FURTHER ENERGIZED AS WELL AS A RESULT OF THAT. 
          THIS IN FRONT OF YOU IS A VERY PRELIMINARY DRAFT OF PHASE 1 APPLICATION THAT WE WANT TO SUBMIT THAT HAS SPECIFIC BOXES TO CHECK BUT IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO START MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FIRST PHASE OF DESIGNING THE ELEMENTS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER. COUNCIL, WITH THAT, I'M TAKING YOUR DIRECTION REGARDING THE PROPOSED IDENTITY AND BRANDING LOGO. THIS WILL ENABLE US TO UTILIZE THE GMP FUNDING FOR WAYFINDING AND APPLICATION. 
          I DON'T WANT TO-- I'M TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT WORD IN ENGLISH-- BUT DIDN'T WANT TO JUST PUT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS BUT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR US. 
          WE HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT WE NEED TO SCOPE OUT. 
          WE'RE FORTUNATE. WE HAVE DONE THE EXERCISE AND I SPEAK COLLECTIVELY WHEN I SAY WE. 
          WE DID CONDUCT THE EXERCISE ON WAYFINDING AND WE LOOKED AT DOWNTOWN ART, BENCHES, FIXTURES, FURNITURE AND FIXTURES, WE'RE TALKING TO DART ABOUT AND GMP AND THE TIMING IS PERFECT FOR THAT. IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE LOGOS PRESENTED, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE WOULD NEED THAT TO START TO MOVE 
          FORWARD. >> SO THAT'S THE SPECIFIC ASK 
          TODAY. >> YES, PLEASE. 
          >> DO YOU WANT FEEDBACK ON OTHER THINGS THAT YOU PRESENTED? 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. WHY NOT? 
          >> I'M ASKING THE QUESTION -- >> SO PRIMARILY -- 
          >> BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT -- >> YES, THERE IS A LOT. 
          THE GOAL IS TO SHOW YOU VALUE-ADDED AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THE GMP FUNDING AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          WE HAVEN'T GAINED ANY TRACTION SINCE 2018 WITH REALIZING ANY OF OUR DOWNTOWN INCENTIVES AND SO HERE WE ARE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. ABSOLUTELY, FIRST THING IS IF WE HAVE IDENTIFY THE LOGO AND I'M TRYING TO GO THERE. 
          >> IF YOU CAN GO THERE. GET THE MUST HAVE OUT OF THE WAY. WE'VE GOT TO GET THE LOGO FIGURED OUT. I'M NOT SEEING A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2 AND 3. MAYBE BECAUSE I'M NOT 
          ARTISTICALLY MINDED. >> A BIT BIGGER. 
          >> BUT IN TERMS OF -- >> SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. 
          >> THESE ARE OUR COLORS, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING IN 
          THE LOGO REGARDING OUR COLORS? >> I'M FINE WITH TWO OR THREE. 
          THOSE ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE USED RECENTLY. 
          I'M NOT ENTIRELY OPPOSED TO NUMBER ONE BUT TWO AND THREE WITH THE CENTRIC WITH THE WATER TOWER AROUND IT IS ADAPTABLE AN- 
          >> MORE TRADITIONAL. >> YEAH. 
          >> THE BIGGER FONT MIGHT BE EASIER TO READ. 
          >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE LOGO? ONE THROUGH THREE. 
          THREE, MARVIN SAYS. >> I LIKE THREE. 
          >> THREE IT IS. THAT'S THE MUST HAVE. 
          THE REST OF THIS IS A DISCUSSION. 
          IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE TABLE WITH ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON IT. YES, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          MY FEEDBACK ON THE PAVILION IS ABSOLUTELY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE CAN FILL THAT TOMORROW-- IF WE BUILT THAT TOMORROW THAT WOULD BE COOL AND EXCITING TO ADD SO MUCH TO THE DOWNTOWN SPACE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY IT WILL SHOW THAT WE'VE BEEN INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN. WHICH IS SOMETHING MAYBE WE'VE BEEN MISSING IN THE PAST. FOR ME THAT'S A NO-BRAINER. 
          AROUND THE ROOM ON THE PAVILION FIRST BEFORE WE GO DOWN THE 
          DIFFERENT TRAILS HERE. >> I WOULD ASK-- YOU SAID THE MAIN BIG STAGE FOR-- [INDISCERNIBLE] BUT WHAT DOES THAT FALL IN LINE PROPORTIONATELY. 
          DOES THE STAGE GO AWAY NOW AND WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? 
          SIZE AND WHY. >> THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SPECIFIC SIZE STILL IN THE WORKS. 
          WE'RE IN A POSITION TO UTILIZE A CONSULTANT ON THE HIRE WITH DART WHO CAN HELP US AND ASSIST US TO DESIGN THAT SPACE. 
          NOW WOULD IT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE IS STAGE? POTENTIALLY. 
          BUT DART HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO 
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MEET ASSOCIATED WITH THE STAGE. IT HAS TO BE ENERGIZED IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN AND ROOMS ASSOCIATD WITH IT. 
          -- AND RESTROOMS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          >> THE PROPOSAL AND THE PROCESS. THE IDEA WITH THE PAVILION WE HAVE MOBILE BATHROOMS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOWNTOWN BATHROOMS FOR THE EVENTS AND THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS AS PART OF THE PAVILION RATHER THAN A TRAILER. AND WE HAVE HEAVY USES OVER OUR HEADS. RIGHT NOW YOU COME DOWN TO THE BENCHES AND YOU HEAR A LOT OF GENERATORS RUNNING. 
          IF WE DECIDE TO DO A SKATE RINK IN THE FUTURE WE'LL BRING IN HUGE GENERATORS TO POWER THAT. THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HAVE A POWER SUPPLY BUILT INTO THE PAVILION TO SUPPORT VENDORS AND ALSO SUPPORT THE SKATING FACILITY IF THEY CHOSE TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT BRINGING IN GENERATORS. 
          >> WOULD IT BE SIZEABLE ENOUGH TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE ALONG WITH 
          THE PAVILION. >> YEAH, 162 BY 100 FEET. 
          A PRETTY GOOD SIZE PAVILION. >> CAN YOU EXPRESS PERCENTAGE-WISE HOW MUCH THAT-- HOW MUCH OF THAT PERCENTAGE-WISE WOULD TAKE UP THE EXISTING GREEN SPACE? 
          >> UP TO THE EXISTING CONCRETE PATH, BASICALLY THE MIDDLE OF THE GREEN. AND THE BULLET-SHAPE WOULD 
          REMAIN GRASS. >> THAT'S NOT A GOOD CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE. SORRY 
          THAT'S NOT A GOOD IMAGE. >> THE TWO RECTANGLE. 
          >> CORRECT. THE AREA WITH NOT THE RECTANGLE BUT THE ARCH AREA. THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO PUT IN A MOBILE STAGE IF YOU WANTED TO BRING IN A STAGE, YOU COULD BRING THIS A TEMPORARY STAGE UNDERNEATH THE PAVILION. 
          THE THING THAT I'M REALLY UPSET ABOUT IT IS NOT HAVING THE-- [INDISCERNIBLE] THIS YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE FOR FOUL WEATHER EVENTS OF ANY SIGNIFICANT SIZE. 
          WE NEED FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE HAVE RAIN TO MOVE SOMETHING INSIDE AND A PAVILION WAS A SIGNIFICANT PLUS FOR US TO HAVE AN EVENT AND RELIABLE. AS FAR AS THE WEATHER THE STAGE IN THERE OR THE OTHER STAGE BOTH ARE OPTIONS TO DESIGN, UTILIZE FOR THE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S THE CURRENT CONCEPT. 
          WHEN I CAME TO COUNCIL LAST TIME AND MY GOAL AGAIN WAS TO COME UP WITH PRELIMINARY DESIGNS AND HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY AND YOU TO GET TO THE MORE REFINED DETAILS BEFORE 
          THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION. >> YOU DESCRIBED IT AS A 
          MULTI--- >> MULTIUSE. 
          ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. >> AS IN PICKLEBALL COURTS. 
          >> COULD BE. THE TENTS COME DOWN -- 
          >> TENTS COME DOWN. IT COULD BE USED FOR A SKATING 
          RINK -- >> FARMERS MARKET. 
          >> REPORTER: FARMERS MARKET AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. 
          >> AND PUBLIC OPEN EVENTS. >> CORRECT. 
          IT BECOMES JUST THAT. >> 100 BY 160. 
          >> YEAH, 100 BY 160 ROUGHLY. >> A BIG SPACE. 
          >> LIKE WHERE THE RINK WAS AND THE SQUARE. 
          >> EXACTLY. >> ALONG THAT LINE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO-- THIS IS THE-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- BUT TO MOVE IT TO THE FAR EAST, I KNOW THE STAGE COULD YOU PUT IT DOWN AT THE END AND MORE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S A REALLY NICE GREEN SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO LOUNGE. THE REASON IT CAN'T GO TO THE 
          EASTERN END? >> THE SHAPE. 
          >> THE SHAPE. >> THE SHAPE. 
          >> WE USE SYMMETRICAL. >> YEAH, BECAUSE THAT SPACE IT 
          ISN'T SQUARE. >> I WAS JUST DOWN IN GREENBURY AND THE WAY THEY USE THEIR PARK WAS BRILLIANT. 
          NOT ONLY UNDERNEATH IT BUT ALL AROUND IT. 
          IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT. BUT I JUST WANT TO-- NOT TO BE NEGATIVE NELLY ON IT BUT JUST TO ADD. 
          I SEE THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. WHAT ARE OUR SECURITY-- [INDISCERNIBLE] -- FOR THIS. I WATCHED THE WEST END GO IN AND WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH-UP. WE'RE PLAYING CATCH-UP. 
          WE PUT A PAVILION A LOT OF PEOPLE SLEEPING UNDER THE PAVILION. BENCHES ARE GREAT. 
          BUT I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF MY WIFE WITH ALL THE BUTTER FLYERS IN GREENBURY, LOVED THEM BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE SLEEPING ON 
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BENCHES. WE'LL GET TO IT BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD SECURITY OR WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH-UP. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT COMES PART AND PARCEL WITH THIS. WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THAT AND WE'RE ADDRESSING IT WITH OTHER ASPECTS OF THE DOWNTOWN SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ENHANCED AND A ROBUST PROGRAM. 
          >> IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE WITH YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS, YOU'VE GOT TO LOCK THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE MAINTAINABLE AND 
          DOESN'T BEING A PUBLIC NUISANCE. >> IT'S COSTLY BUT AT LEAST ONE OFFICER ASSIGNED IN THAT BECAUSE IF THEY SEE IT'S SAFE 
          THEY'LL WANT TO COME. >> ONE THING THAT WE'RE CHALLENGED WITH RIGHT NOW IN THE DOWNTOWN FOR THE LIGHTS AND OTHERS IS WI-FI CONNECTIVITY AND THAT WOULD SUPPORT CAMERAS AND INSTALLATION AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION WE HAVE IN THE OPEN SPACES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE  INFRASTRUCTURE IN 
          PLACE. >> AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A CATH LIST. BACK TO THE-- CATALYST. 
          BACK TO THE INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE MORE BUSINESS, PEOPLE AND ACTIVITY, IDEALLY YOU HAVE LESS VAGRANCY AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE TO GET THE DOWNTOWN ACTIVE AND REALLY WELL LIT AND TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE AROUND 
          DETRACT FROM THAT. >> MY WIFE WASN'T ENGAGING IN IT. I WAS WALKING A BIT AND COME TO SEE DEBBY FOR SOMETHING AND I WATCHED THEM DRIVE OVER THE GREEN SPACE AND TWO GUYS IN SUITS SAT OUT THERE IN THE SHADE 
          AND I SAID, OKAY -- >> THOSE ARE THE MISSIONARIES, THEY HANG OUT IN THE GREEN SPACE. 
          >> OKAY. MAYOR, I WANT SUGGEST TALKING TO THE CITY OF IRVING. THEY REDID THEIR DOWNTOWN AND THEY HAVE A DART STATION NEAR DOWNTOWN. 
          THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO REMOVE THEIR BENCHES AND PUBLIC SPACES BECAUSE OF THE MERCHANTS BUT FOR ALL THE DOWNTOWN SPACES IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO TALK ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN IRVING. 
          I SUGGEST THAT YOU TALK TO THEM AND HOW THEY MITIGATED THAT. 
          YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PUT IN BUNCHES AND TURN AROUND AND PULL THEM BACK OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING USED BY THE 
          CITIZENS. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS 
          ON THE PAVILION OR QUESTIONS? >> I JUST STAY ON WHAT WAS SAID, THE DOWNTOWN, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE BEGINNING A CYCLE THERE WHICH IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE IN THE ROOM. 
          WHERE THEY'LL BE AND HOW THEY'RE POSITIONED. 
          DON'T THINK OF WHAT THEY MIGHT LOOK LIKE TODAY BUT WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AS THEY DEVELOP AND EXPAND DON'T PLOP SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF A LEASABLE OR RENTABLE SPACE, THAT YOU'RE CONSCIOUS OF THAT. YOU'RE LIMITED BY DART WHERE YOU CAN PUT THINGS BUT IF YOU LOOK AHEAD IN A HOLISTIC POINT OF 
          VIEW. >> CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING TO THAT? A WALKING TRAIL REALLY LIKE THAT BUT WHAT IF YOU MOVE IT-- THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT NOW IT'S ENGAGING UP AND OFF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE BUT WHAT IF IT CAME DOWN AND I ENVISION ALL OF THESE HOUSES TO GET TO THE WALKING TRAIL AND WALK INTO THE DOWNTOWN. 
          >> LET'S PIVOT TO THE TRAILS WHICH IS ONE POINT. 
          >> FINISH ON THE SUPPORT OF THE OTHER. 
          >> DIDN'T SOUND LIKE IT. OKAY. 
          IS EVERYBODY SUPPORTING OR NOT? >> NO, I SUPPORT IT 100%. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO GET MOVING ON IT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT TIME IS TICKING, WE'VE    WE'VE GOT TO S DONG. 
          BUT ON THE ELECTRICAL SIDE, I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE BUT NOT ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES A LOT OF STUFF THAT I GUESS YOU SAY THAT WOULD BE PROPERTY-- THE PAYING FOR A LOT OF IT AND 
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ELECTRICITY USED FOR PUBLIC EVENTS AND STUFF IT'S FINE. 
          BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WI-FI DOWN THERE, THAT'S ANOTHER THING, A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. IT DOES ATTRACT PEOPLE AND WE DO WANT TO USE THAT TO OUR ADVANTAGE IF WE CAN BUT I THINK THAT THE FASTER THAT WE CAN GOT GOING, I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO AND IF WE HAVE TO CONTACT IRVING THAT'S FINE, WE CAN BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU ALLUDED TO AND CERTAIN BENCHES PUT OUT AND CERTAIN CHAIRS OR WHAT. 
          IT BECOMES UNCOMFORTABLE AFTER A WHILE THEY WAY THEY DO SOME STUFF, TO CURTAIL THE ISSUES THAT IRVING WAS GOING THROUGH INSTEAD OF HAVING TO MOVE THEM. I DO SUPPORT IT AND I THINK IT WILL BE A BIG DRAW TO THE CITY. I THINK WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT BETTER DOWN THERE AND BRING THE BUSINESS DOWN TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES WOULD BE GREAT. 
          AND TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY ELSE TO MOVE THEIR BUSINESS DOWNTOWN. 
          YES, I WOULD WANT THAT. THAT CAME THROUGH ON MY SIDE. 
          >> IT'S CALLED HOSTEL INFRASTRUCTURE IS WHAT YOU'RE 
          DESCRIBING. >> I SUPPORT IT. 
          A LOT OF WORDS BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO IMPROVE OUR DOWNTOWN IS A DRAW, MULTIUSE, YOU KNOW, DRAWING ALL PEOPLE AND LARGER CROWDS AND MORE THAN WE CAN DRAW PEOPLE IN THE BETTER. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT WILL DRAW BUSINESSES. 
          >> YEAH, IT SHOULD. >> ALL RIGHT, SO THE TRAIL WAS THAT UNDER PHASE 1 OR KIND OF A BROADER CONVERSATION? 
          >> THAT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION IN 3.1. 
          >> WE'RE STILL IN CONVERSATION WITH DART BUT WANTED TO SHOW YOU 
          THE METHOD TOUR. >> TO MR. BRITTON'S POINT MAKE SURE THAT IT DOVETAILS WITH THE TRAIL'S MASTER PLAN OR WE'RE UPDATING IT TO REFLECT WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING FOR THE 
          DOWNTOWN PLAN. >> TWO THINGS ON THAT REAL QUICKLY, ONE IS THAT THE DELAY, WE'VE DONE SO FAR TAKES ADVANTAGE OF DART RIGHT AWAY. SO I THINK IT WAS KIND OF A YES/AND SITUATION. WE CAN LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE IDEAS AS PART OF THE MAYOR'S SUGGESTION ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN. DART WAS EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          I REALLY LIKE THE WAY YOU ALL PUT THIS TOGETHER. 
          ONE POINT I WOULD PUT OUT THERE, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE MONEY. WE CAN PRE-FUND THESE THINGS AND REIMBURSE OURSELVES AND WE CAN MOVE FASTER. 
          SO THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE IT IN THREE-PHASES DOESN'T MEAN IT HAD AS TO WAIT UNTIL 2031 TO BE DONE. 2031 IS OUR FUNDING PLAN BUT IF THIS IS ESTIMATED FUNDING WE CAN MOVE FASTER AND WE SHOULD TRY AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND REIMBURSE OURSELVES. 
          >> IS THERE A TIME STAMP ON THE MONEY FROM DART? 
          >> THERE'S A TIME STAMP TO COMPLETE THE FUNDING FOR PHASE 1, WAYFINDING FOR THE END OF JUNE. 
          SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE DOTTED OUR IS AND CROSSED OUR TS WITH THAT. IN THE STAFF REPORT I ALLUDED TO AND MENTIONED THAT WE CAN-- AND CITY MANAGER MENTIONED WE CAN REFUND SOME ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SCOPE. 
          SO IN THAT INSTANCE IF WE START ASSESSING THE TRAILS PLAN, OR EXAMPLE, AND WE KNOW WE HAVE TO SHOW A RELATIONSHIP TO THE DART, THE DOWNTOWN STATION, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT OUR ESTABLISHED-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- AND THAT DO EXIST IN THE COTTAGE DISTRICT. SO THERE'S CONNECTIVITY AND 
          WE'RE UTILIZING THOSE. >> WHERE WOULD YOU PULL THAT 
          FUNDING FROM FIRST OFF? >> WE JUST LOOK AT AVAILABLE CASH RESOURCES TO SEE IF WE HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDING. 
          >> WHERE WOULD YOU PULL IT FROM THOUGH? 
          >> I'D HAVE TO DO THAT ANALYSIS AT THE TIME. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S JUMP UP TO 1 .3. 
          >> YOU SHOWED THE SECTIONS THE EAST. 
          >> YES. >> THE DRIVE-THROUGH HAS ONE EXTRA SPACE AND WE CONTACT ENGINEER TO TO ADD ONE MORE SPACE TO THE OTHER 11 THEN NOT SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF THE CONCRETE FOR ONE EXTRA 
          SPACE. >> GOT IT. 
          >> IF YOU CAN ENGINEER AND GET SIX EXTRA SPACES OUT OF THAT SOMEHOW IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT. 
          THERE'S A SPACE FURTHER TO THE WEST THAT I SENT KRISOFF AN 
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          EDMONTON ON THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY, WE WILL INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE WE WILL UPDATE YOU REGULARLY NOW AS WE MOVE 
          FORWARD. >> FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT VISIT THE DOWNTOWN LATELY, THE HUB TWO-STOREY BUILDING IS OCCUPIED AND HAS 20 TO 30 DAYTIME OCCUPANTS WHO RUN A BUSINESS THERE. THERE'S CONSISTENTLY A NUMBER OF CARS THAT WEREN'T THERE THREE MONTHS AGO THAT ARE THERE TODAY. 
          IT'S BUSY AND THE FLOWER SHOP HAS BEEN RELOCATED SO THEY'VE GOT FIVE OR SIC CARS FOR THEIR SHOP AND ADD THAT UP AND WE'RE IN A PARKING CRUNCH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET BETWEEN BAROCOS THE FLOWER SHOP, THE HUB AND THE DINO'S BUILDING AS WELL, SALON. SO SO ANY EXTRA PARKING WE CAN SQUEEZE DOWN COYLE STREET. AND LET'S FINISH THE CONVERSATION ON PROPERTIES. OTHER IDEAS OR THOUGHTS ON THE 
          PARKING ACTIVATION? >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH ALL OF THAT PARKING BEHIND THE BANK. 
          A CORNER LOT. BUT ALL OF THAT PARKING... 
          >> SO THE CITY LEASES THE LOT ADJACENT VETERAN'S PARK AND THE GAZEBO. THE CITY LEASES THAT LOT BY A FAMILY. WE HAVE THAT LEASED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IN MY OPINION WE GET A VERY GOOD DEAL ON LEASING THAT LOT FOR WHAT IT IS, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF ADJACENT IT SERVES SOME BUSINESSES ON SOUTH SIDE. SO IN LOOKING AT BUSINESSES FOR THE NORTH SIDE PARTICULARLY DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS WE'VE GOT TO MAKE INVESTMENT THERE SOMEWHERE. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GREEN SPACES THAT ARE JUST GRASSY AREAS ADJACENT TO ROADWAYS WHERE PARKING COULD BE ADDED. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHY IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY. 
          MAYBE IT WAS CONTEMPLATED THAT THE BUILD-OUT WOULDN'T NEED THAT MUCH SPACE BUT ON THE COYLE THERE'S ROOM FOR 11 SPACES AND ON THE INTERSECTION OF COYLE AND IT TURNS TO COMMERCE THERE'S SPACE FOR ANOTHER TEN SPACES I WOULD GUESS. 
          THE CITY ALSO ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER OF MAIN AND COMMERCE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING THINGS THERE. 
          IT'S ELEVATED BUT THE CITY ACTUALLY OWNS THAT PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE LONG TERM TO UTILIZE IT FOR ANYTHING PARKING-WISE BUT THAT'S ANOTHER INTERESTING TID 
          BIT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? TO 1.2, WAYFINDING. 
          ANY OPPOSED TO MOVING FORWARD? IT'S A KEY TENANT FOR THE 
          DOWNTOWN PLAN. >> IS THAT FUNDING THAT WE 
          ISSUED? >> YES. 
          ALL RIGHT, THERE'S NO OTHER THOUGHTS THERE 1.1 IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. 100%, THE EXISTING CROSSING NEEDS TO BE BETTER. IT'S VERY UNEVEN. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE WHO SUFFERS FROM A DISABILITY BEING WILLING TO CROSS THERE. STROLLERS OR WAGONS, ANY OF THAT STUFF. BUT ALSO THE SECOND CROSSING I THINK IS VERY MUCH WORTH INVESTIGATING. 
          I THINK THIS CONVERSATION I'VE HAD WITH KRISTOFF. 
          THERE'S CHALLENGES. I GET IT. 
          IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH AND IN GETTING A CROSSING THERE FURTHER TO THE EAST BUT I THINK IT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE DOWNTOWN OTHER THOUGHTS ON DOWNTOWN CROSSINGS? OKAY. 
          KRISTOFF, DOES THAT GIVE YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TODAY? 
          >> IT DOES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          >> WHEN CAN WE EXPECT AN UPDATE-- YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA START TO SEE THE DIRT FLYING? WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS ON THIS? 
          >> WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DART LAST WEEK, TRYING TO GET THEIR ATTENTION O THE DESIGN PIECE FOR THE PAVILION. 
          IF THEY DON'T MOVE QUICKLY I'M GOING TO TAKE IT BACK AND DO IT IN-HOUSE BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT IN ASKING THEM WAS TO GET IT DONE QUICKLY BUT NOT AS COMPLETE AS I WOULD LIKE. 
          I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM LATER THIS WEEK AND IF THAT DOESN'T MOVE, I'LL MOVE ON GETTING OUR OWN ARCHITECTURE TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU'LL HEAR FROM US WITH DESIGNS 
          IN JULY. >> YES. 
          >> OKAY. ONE QUESTION OCCURRED TO ME BECAUSE I WROTE IT DOWN. WAS THE DART BUS PICKUP LOOP, 
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WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DART ON ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT? 
          >> WE'VE DISCUSSED A NEED FOR A ALTERNATIVES ON THAT. 
          >> BUT NOTHING BEYOND THIS POINT? 
          >> NOTHING BEYOND THIS POINT. I IDENTIFIED IT AS AN ISSUE AND IT SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE LIST BUT WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG ENOUGH IDEA ON WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          IT'S A SHARED... BUT THERE IS SOME PEOPLE IN DART THAT SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT IS A CONTINGENCY. 
          THAT COULD BE NEEDED AT SOME POINT. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S HARDER FOR US TO PUSH FOR 
          A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. >> I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE BOARD REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE IN MY OPINION UNDER THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT THAT WE HAVE I DON'T SEE IT CHANGING WHERE WE GET 
          BACK TO HAVING BUS SERVICE. >> OH, NO, NOT AT ALL. 
          THEY'RE CONTINGENCY WAS IF FOR SOME REASON-- THESE ARE PLANS, IF FOR SOME REASON THE TRAIN STOPS RUNNING AND THEY WOULD USE A BUS REPLACEMENT TO REPLACE THAT SERVICE AND THE BUSSES WOULD NEED THAT TURNAROUND TO PROVIDE THAT CONTINGENCY. 
          IT SHOULD GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT INTERFERES WITH THE CURRENT 
          TRANSIT SERVICE. >> OKAY. 
          HAVING BEEN TO NOW TWO LIVE ON MAINS AND WALKING THROUGH THAT LOOP, IT IS SO INCONVENIENT AND NOT CONDUCIVE TO WALKABILITY. 
          I CAN'T RESPECT THEIR IDEA OF WANTING TO -- AS A CONVERSATION 
          IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. >> IN CASE WE NEED IT. 
          >> OKAY. THOUGHTS ON DOWNTOWN, COUNCIL? VERY GOOD. WITH WE MOVE TO-- WE MOVE TO 
          [3.C. Discussion regarding the results of the screening wall assessment completed by DCCM.]
ITEM 3.C DISCUSSION REGARDING THE RESULTS OF THE SCREENING WALL ASSESSMENT COMMITTED BY DDCM. 
          >> YOUR TURN. >> SORRY, MICHAEL. 
          I HAVE TO PASS. OKAY, RETAINING WALL SYSTEM. 
          I HAVE HANDOUTS OF THE DOCUMENT ATTACHED. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANT... THERE'S A NUMBER OF PAGES THAT I TRIED TO AND I HAD THESE ALREADY GO OUT BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY SMALL. WE BUILT A BIT OF HISTORY, SCOPING ASSESSMENT, WALL STANDARD. 
          DETAILED COST ESTIMATES AND THEN LOOK FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          SO JUST... HISTORY. 
          OLD RULE. THE-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- MAJOR ARTIERCE. RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THIS WAS INCONSISTENTLY ACCUMULATED AND APPLIED. 
          THE LEGAL ANALYSIS AND THE ANALOGY IS SIDEWALKS. 
          SIDEWALKS ARE ADJACENT TO A RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IT MAKES THE SIDEWALKS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. 
          ANALYSIS THAT DEMONSTRATED IN OUR OPINIONS THAT THE SCREEN WALLS ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. 
          COUNCIL DIDN'T LIKE THAT. THE CURRENT DIRECTION IS IF IT'S ARTERIAL AND SOME OF THOSE ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES AND YOU NEED TO ACQUIRE EASEMENTS TO FULFILL THAT RESPONSIBILITY THAT'S THE PATH WE'RE ON TODAY. IF YOU WANT TO SEE INVOLVEMENT WE'RE DOWN HERE, ARTERIALS, DOWNROCK, ROWLETT, MILLER AND A CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. WE CAME BACK WHEN WE INITIALLY BROUGHT A SCOPE. AGAIN, WE FOLLOWED THE OLD RULE, IN A ALLEY, GIVEN BE SCOPE AND COUNCIL GAVE US THE DIRECTION NO, IF IT'S CONTINUOUS IT SHOULD BE CONTINUOUS. 
          DOWNROCK, AND THE SCOPE AREAS, MILLER, ROWLETT, AND WE ASKED THEM TO ADDRESS LOCATION, SIZE, COMPOSITION, CONDITION AND DO A FULL INVENTORY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY. BACK ON SCREEN, WALL, SCOPE. 
          WE CAME TO COUNCIL AND SAID DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS? AND COUNCIL SAID YES, WHEN WE SAID EVERYTHING CONTINUOUS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE STUDY AND THAT HAS HAPPENED. 
          DOES IT INCLUDE -- EDGE METERS, NOT IN SCOPE. 
          RATE IS FROM THE WALL AND-- SEPARATE FROM THE WALL AND NOT 
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INCLUDED. DOES IT INCLUDE WALLS TO CLEAR PROPERTY, DON'T AGREE. ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, SHOULDN'T BE INCLUDED, COUNCIL DIDN'T AGREE. 
          CONTINUOUS, INCLUDED, SO IT DOES. 
          SCOPE INCLUDES ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          THESE NUMBERS CHANGED BECAUSE THE SCOPE CHANGED. 
          THIS IS WAS ACTUALLY AÚPRELIMINF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE A BREAKDOWN ON THIS, I HAVE A HANDOUT ON THAT. 
          ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ONE HERE. 
          SO WITH THIS-- GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT AROUND AS WELL-- WHAT THIS CALLS PRIVATE WALL AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND 25% OF THE LINEAR FEET WITHIN STUDY IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          YOU'LL SEE IN A SECOND, BUT THAT 12, 9, 18 NUMBER DOESN'T MATCH THE NUMBERS FOR THE ESTIMATES BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS NUMBER WAS UPDATED WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH A DETAILED ASSESSMENT FOR EACH SEGMENT. THIS IS ORIENTATION FOR THE 
          DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU -- >> I'LL STOP YOU REAL QUICK. 
          ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY HOW DO YOU GO ON TO A PRIVATE PROPERTY 
          AND DO A WALL? >> DO AN EASEMENT. 
          >> SO WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A BLUEPRINT FROM YOU? 
          >> WILL YOU GIVE US AN EASEMENT? IF THEY GRANT IT, MOVE FORWARD AND IF THEY DENY THE EASEMENT, WE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WALL. OKAY, SO INCLUDE THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR EACH WALL SEGMENT. WE HAVE DIAGRAMS FOR ALL OF THESE. BUT LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT YOU'LL SEE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT IT. AND BASICALLY WHAT KIND OF REPAIRS ARE REQUIRED OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE REPLACED, ET CETERA. OVER HERE YOU HAVE PRIORITIES. 
          A RED ON THE TOP PRIORITIES, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEN A COST IS PROVIDED FOR EACH OF THE RECOMMENDED REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENTS AS YOU FOLLOW... OF COURSE THAT'S ALL BROKEN DOWN IN SUM. YOU SEE IN THE HANDOUT THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU, THE FIRST THREE PAGES ARE WHAT WE CALL GROUP A AND FOLLOWING PAGES ABOUT GROUP B AND THAT'S SUMMED ON THE GRAND 
          TOTAL ON THE LAST PAGE. >> KRISTOFF, NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT WHEN DOES IT BECAME A PRIORITY TWO? IS THERE A TIMELINE OR WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS, FIVE YEARS? IS THERE A MEASUREMENT THERE? 
          >> THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A SPECIFIC TIME BEING MEASUREMENT SO I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TIMING BUT IT'S MOSTLY BASED ON THE LEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETHING LEANING OR FALLEN DOWN IT'S A HIGHER PRIORITY. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S 
          SAFE AND DOWN TO THE STRUCTURE. >> IS IT YOUR INTENT TO PUT THE PRIORITY -- [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> THAT'S A QUESTION I'LL ASK YOU, SIR. 
          SO DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND THIS IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT YOU THE ESTIMATES, WE HAVE-- WE BROUGHT YOU THESE FOUR DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES. SINGLE WIDTH BRICK, LONG STAND BRICK CONCRETE. THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE TWO OPTIONS. WE BROUGHT YOU A SUPERIOR FENCE AND A CEDAR FENCE. WHAT'S NOT IN HERE THAT I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND IS A VEGETATION SCREEN. 
          WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL THAT WE WEREN'T INTERESTED IN VEGETABLE SCREEN. THAT IS NOT INCLUDED. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR THE ESTATES. 
          AND THE PRELIMINARY CONCEPT. AND DREDGING FROM COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SINGLE WYTHE BRICK. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ON THE ESTIMATE. 
          90% DESIGN, ALMOST COMPLETE. AND AMENDMENTS AND THE NEXT -- EASEMENTS AND THE NEXT STEP WHEN COMPLETE IS TO PUT IT OUT FOR BID. IT GOES OUT AND COMES TO COUNCIL IN A FORMAL ORDER. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE WE WERE? FOR YOUR INFORMATION THIS IS THE 
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INFORMATION THAT WE DID NOT PROVIDE COUNCIL BECAUSE WE DID NOT EXPRESS INTEREST IN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND WHEN WE DID THE TOUR AND YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THAT COST THIS IS THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT. THE $2.5 MILLION IS REFERRING TO ALL THE WALLS AND ALL REPLACED WOULD BE $2.5 MILLION TO REPLACE ALL THE EXISTING SCREEN WALLS IN SCOPE WITH THE VEGETATION SCREENING AND THE MAINTENANCE AND THE ONGOING COST ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO MAINTAIN THE WALL TO THE RIGHT HEIGHT AND WIDTH AND HEALTH, ET CETERA. THIS IS THE STANDARD BY COUNCIL. 
          LARGER SCREEN WALL AND SO MANY FEET HIGH. 
          THE HEIGHT 600 FEET. IF YOU REVISED THAT, THE TOTAL COST $10.3 MILLION FOR 13,000 LINEAR FEET OF SCREEN WALL 
          WITHIN SCOPE. >> WHERE IS THE 795 COMING FROM? 
          >> THE FEET DIVIDED BY THE ESTIMATED COST OF 1.46. 
          >> OKAY. >> I'VE GOT A BREAK DOWN HERE ON THAT IN A SECOND. 'CAUSE CERTAINLY THIS. 
          >> BECAUSE THIS CERTAINLY USES A LOWER NUMBER. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THE COMPLEXITY OF THE NEXT TWO SIDES. 
          THIS SHOWS US A TOTAL COST ESTIMATE FOR THE AREAS RECOMMENDED FOR A FULL REPLACEMENT. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE NUMBER IS ON THE SHEET IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT AND ADJUST IT FOR GREEN THINGS, UPDATED ESTIMATE FOR LAKE BEND ESTATES, THAT NUMBER IS 3.5. 
          DO I DO MATH RIGHT? >> I'M SURE YOU DOES. 
          SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES DON'T INCLUDE THE COST FOR SURVEYING AND DESIGN AND OTHER PIECE THAT IS HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH IT. IT'S AN ESTIMATE THAT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THE UPDATED ESTIMATE THAT WE GOT. 
          I'M USING THE MOST UPDATED INFORMATION FOR LINEAR AT LAKE BEND ESTATES. THIS IS FOR PARTIAL REPAIR-- PARTIAL REPLACEMENT AND REPAIRS. AND YOU ADD IT UP AND THAT'S THE 3.855 NUMBER I MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          THIS IS BASED ON THE ESTATES AND THE NUMBER WE USED. 
          IF YOU DO ALL THREE PRIORITIES BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION THE COST IS 3.8. WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS I'VE TAKEN THAT NUMBER-- WELL, ACTUALLY THIS NUMBER, THE 1.466. 
          8.8. BECOME   BACK IN A NUMBER A SECS 10.3. I'VE TAKEN THAT AND ADJUSTED TO THE 1.466, THE SPEND AND THE REMAINING IS NOT FOR THE MONEY FOR THE ESTATES 8.8 IF YOU WERE TO REPLACE ALL THE WALLS RATHER THAN REPAIR THEM. AM I TRACKING? 
          >> YES. >> SO MORE INFORMATION AND ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. SO YOU HAVE THE-- AGAIN, THOSE AREAS THAT NEED FULL REPLACEMENT IS ACTUALLY THIS TOTAL NUMBER 4.4,4460 LINEAR FEET. 4.5 IN THE PROCESS OF THE SIGN 4.6. USING THE UPDATED NUMBERS. 
          WE NEED $2 MILLION TO DO OTHER AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED FOR REPLACEMENT. IF WE WERE MOVING FORWARD AND JUST DO REPAIRS AND PARTIAL REPLACEMENTS FOR THE REST, AGAIN, USING THEIR ESTIMATES THAT'S ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS. 
          MINOR MAINTENANCE AND MONETARY OUR TOTAL COST FOLLOWING THIS PATH IS 3.3. EVERYONE FOLLOWING? OF COURSE THAT TAKES-- THAT ASSUMES WE ALREADY SPENT THE 1.46. THIS IS FUTURE MONEY. 
          NOT MONEY ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SPENT. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE ALL THE REMAINING 
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WALLS WITH THE NEW STANDARD? IF WE TAKE OUT LAKE BEND ESTATES, GOING TO BE A NICE WHITE WALL, THAT COULD WOULD BE 8.8. ARE WE GOING TO REPAIR AND REPLACE BASED ON THE ESTIMATE, THAT ASSESSMENT 3.3? THE FIRST QUESTION, WHAT'S THE TARGET, A NEW STANDARD TO APPLY TO THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR SO THE CORRIDOR LOOKS UNIFORM OR DOING RED BRICK EVERYWHERE EXCEPT FOR LAKE BEND ESTATES AND FOLLOW THE PATH THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED TO DO REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT WITH LIKE KIND IN AREAS OTHER THAN LAKE BEND ESTATES? 
          >> SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE LAKEVIEW ESTATES, I THINK IS THE RIGHT NAME, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR WALL TO LAKE BEND HAS. COUNCIL HAS BEEN TOLD WE DON'T HAVE THE FORMS TO REPAIR LAKE BEND ESTATES. 
          IDEALLY THAT WOULD LEAD TO A REPLACEMENT. 
          WHAT WOULD WE BE REPLACING IT WITH? PRECAST CONCRETE SIMILAR TO HOW IT IS TODAY, THE PANELS, OR WOULD IT BE TO BE DETERMINED QUEBEC? WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING UNDER THIS IDEA? 
          >> I BELIEVE REPLACEMENT IS BASED ON SINGLE WYTHE. 
          >> OKAY. >> WHETHER IT'S COLORED OR STANDARD BUT THE DIRECTION BACK TO THEM IF YOU REPLACE-- BUT WE'RE REPLACING AN EXISTING BRICK WALL, YOU'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE REST OF THAT WALL. IF YOU'RE REPLACING THE ENTIRE LENGTH. THE RECOMMENDATION BOB ASSISTANT 
          AND FOLLOWING THE STANDARD. >> THE QUESTION ON LAKE BEND ESTATES IT'S GOT THE SIMILAR PROBLEMS, MISSING PANELS, PANELS THAT HAVE FALLEN, ISSUES, ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? IT'S EXPERIENCING CONDITIONS THAT LAKE BEND DID. 
          SO IN HERE, I DIDN'T LOOK SO I'M NOT SURE, IS IT A REPLACE OR IS IT A REPAIR? IT WOULD BE-- PRINCETON. 
          ANSWER THE QUESTION IN THE NEXT 30 SECONDS. 
          >> THE CHALLENGE HERE IS, OF COURSE, THEY USE A LABELING METHODOLOGY, BASED OFF STREET, NOT BASED OFF A SOLUTION. 
          SO IT WOULD BE HARD TO TRACK DOWN. 
          >> MY GUESS, PRINCETON AND WILOWBROOK -- 
          >> YOU CAN SEE AT D.6, 1P SAYS REPLACE SCREEN WALL. 
          THAT'S ON GROUP B, B.6 AND B.6 AND P.1 BASED ON 369 LINEAR FEET. MISSING PANELS, FADED PAINT. 
          THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THOSE SITUATIONS, THE REPLACEMENT. 
          IT'S USING THE $600 PER LINEAR FOOT NUMBER. 
          UNESTIMATED BASED ON COST FOR LAKE BEND ESTATES. 
          >> IT'S UNDERSTOOD BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT'S NOT THE FULL LENGTH OF THAT WALL. BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY 469 FEET. 
          AND THAT WALL IS MORE THAN 469 FEET BY A LOT. 
          SO PROBABLY NEED TO SEE THE MAP JUST TO SEE WHAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AT SOME POINT BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. 
          >> I CAN GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE DETAILED MAP. 
          >> ALL THE WAY DOWN... >> MY INTENT WITH THIS PROGRAM ALL ALONG HAS BEEN A REPAIR OR REPLACE METHODOLOGY. 
          NOW AT SOME POINT DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS IN PASSED MEETINGS IT WOUND UP THAT SOMEHOW JEFF WANTED EVERY SCREEN WALL IN THE ENTIRE CITY TO LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          THAT WAS NEVER MY INTENT. MY INTENT WAS TO GET THE SCREEN WALLS IN A CONDITION WHERE THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE CRAP LIKE THEY DO TODAY. THERE'S A BALANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE STRUCK THERE AND THERE ARE WALLS THAT GOTTEN INTO THE CONDITION WHERE THEY'RE EXTREMELY SUBSTANDARD AND PERHAPS EVEN A HAZARD AND WHEN I ASKED ABOUT REPAIRING I'VE BEEN TOLD WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT FORCE. 
          WE-- FORMS. WE CAN'T FIX THAT WALL. 
          THE ANSWER IS WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT. 
          WE CAN'T FIX IT. IF LAKE BEND ESTATES AND LAKEVIEW ESTATES AND WE CAN'T FICTION IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT FORMS OR PRIOR STAFF HAVE SAID, AS I SAID THERE ARE NICE WALLS WITHIN THE CITY. TOBER BAY HAS VERY NICE WALLS 
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THAT DON'T NEED FIXED WALLS AND I DON'T WANT TO GO AND SPEND $5 MILLION TO RIP DOWN TOLLER BAY'S WALLS. 
          TO ME IT'S REPAIR AND REPLACE AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE EXISTING WALLS IDENTIFIED THAT ARE IN CRITICAL NEED OF REPAIR AND THOSE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> I'M ON THE REPAIR OR REPLACE TOO BUT THE ISSUE WE HAVE ON REPAIR OR REPLACE WE CAN HAVE A WHITE WALL, RED WALL, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE GET. 
          A BREAK IN THERE WHATEVER. OR THE-- WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED GO IN. I'VE BEEN WATCHING AND MY GRANDSON GOES TO THE SCHOOL DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY'VE BEEN USING THE PREFAB WALL AND THEY DROP IT IN. 
          NOTHING LIKE IT. I WAS HERE OF COURSE WHEN THEY DID THE LAKE BEND ONES AND THOSE WALLS ARE LIKE THIS. 
          THE ONES THEY'VE GOT ON PREFABS LIKE THIS THAT THEY'RE DROPPING IN. THEY LOOK STURDY AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ASK TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE, WHAT THEY'RE GETTING% AND SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO HELP US ON COST BECAUSE I THINK THOSE WALLS LOOK REALLY GREAT. 
          IF ANYONE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ON 190 AND TURN LEFT ON CHIPOTLE DOWN ARMSTRONG ELEMENTARY THERE AND IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE CHOSE FOR LAKE BEND. BRICK FOR BRICK. 
          >> LAKE BEND WAS A FULL WHITE -- >> BUT BRICK IN IT AS I'LL SAYING. WE CAN LOWER THE COST AND GIVE THEM A GOOD WALL BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A CITY WALL FROM THERE ON OUT AND WE'RE GONNA BE FIXING IT, RIGHT? 
          WE SHOULD BE, RIGHT? >> IN PRACTICE, REGARDLESS OF TE WALL, IT HAS BEEN THE CITY'S WALL UP TO THIS POINT AND CITY MAINTAINED THE WALL. THAT HE THE CRUX OF THE 
          CONVERSATION. >> YOU'RE NOT GETTING AN ARGUMENT OUT OF ME BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS 
          TOLD. >> SO TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT ALL THE WALLS AROUND THE CITY TO LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME BECAUSE IT GIVES EACH NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. 
          IF THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WALL, OR WROUGHT IRON MIXED IN OR DEFINITE FEATURES. IF EVERYONE HAS A WHITE WALL 
          WITH BRICK -- >> I'M GETTING AT R & B    REINT AND THE FOLKS THAT WORKED FOR ME YOU HAD TO MAKE IT PRIVATE PROPERTY TO FIX THEIR WALLS THEY COULD NOT FIND THE BRICK THE SAME COLOR AND THEY HAD DIFFERENT SECTIONS WITH DIFFERENT COLORS AS THEY WENT THROUGH IT AND   AND YOU COULDNT MATCH IT AND THE WALL WAS DIFFERENT. 
          IT COULDN'T GO CONTINUOUSLY. IT WAS A DIFFERENT COLOR OF 
          BRICK AND A DIFFERENT STYLE. >> THAT'S A SITUATION WHERE YOU 
          CAN SEE WHERE THEY PATCHED. >> KRISTOFF, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, BUT WOULD WHITE END UP BEING A LOT MORE 
          MAINTENANCE? >> THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN. 
          >> BECAUSE THERE ARE GRASS CUTTINGS THROWN UP ON IT. 
          >> TEND TO DISCOLOR. >> IF WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING AS MANY WALLS AS WE CAN WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE WE NEED SOMETHING TO MAKE THIS STAY THERE FOR A LONG OF TIME, REPLAYER OR REPLACE. -- REPAIR OR REPLACE AND IN THE FUTURE IF WE HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET WE WANT SOMEBODY TO KEEP AS A VENDOR FOR THE SAME WALL OR STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER WE'RE 
          REPLACING. >> REPAIR OR REPLACE. 
          >> REPAIR OR REPLACE. OTHER THOUGHTS, COUNCIL, 
          COMMENTS? >> OUR OLD CONVERSATIONS MIRRORS WHAT YOU SAID, IT GOT TO THE STANDING CHARACTER OF THE WHOLE CITY BUT I THINK DEPENDING ON BY CONDITIONING, BY SITUATION IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER WE MAKE THAT CHOICE. 
          KRISTOFF, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT GRASS CUTTINGS AND COST AND-- 
          [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> SO WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM? THESE ARE THE ESTIMATES WE PROVIDED LAST TIME AND THESE HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED BUT THE SAME SORT OF-- YOU KNOW, THE SAME MATH. 
          IF YOU WERE TO DO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT IN OPTION 1 BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING A FULL REPLACEMENT. 
          IF YOU WERE GOING TO PAY OVER TIME, 2 MILLION A YEAR. 
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STAND PAT. WE COULD PULL FROM RESERVES OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I'M HELPING YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THAT MONEY BECAUSE OF NEW DEBT. THAT GIVES YOU AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. THIS GENERAL FUND BALANCE BREAKS IT DOWN, AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT SIX MONTHS OLD. 
          SO OUR FUND BALANCE IS NOW GETTING TO BE HIGHER THAN THAT BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE AND CERTAINLY GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE A TARGET AND ARE MOVING FORWARD IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          GIVE US A TARGET, WE'LL BRING YOU THOSING     THOSE OPTIONS IT PROCESS TO GIVE YOU THE CIV. ADDITIONAL DEBT IS OPTION 2, A GENERAL FUND BALANCE WOULD BE OPTION 3. 
          WE COULD BRING EITHER ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS TO THANK YOU OR SOME COMBINATION THEREOF. IN THE PAST WHAT WE'VE DONE TO BUILD UP THE $1.5 MILLION WE'RE DEALING WITH AT LAKE BEND ESTATES COUNCIL THREE YEARS AGO STARTED TO PUT ASIDE $500,000 AND WE SAVED UP $1.5 MILLION AND WE'RE USING IT. 
          CERTAINLY IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS OVER TIME THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH IT ALL IN ONE YEAR. 
          WE CAN SET ASIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY WHICH WE WORK ON A PRIORITY BASIS TO TACK THINGS ON-- TACKEL THINGS AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM. SO I THINK I'M HEARING THERE'S NO REASON TO CHANGE THE SCOPE BUT COMFORTABLE WHERE WE ARE AT. 
          BUT ALONG THESE STREETS IT'S OURS. 
          >> YES, BUT AS I SAID WHEN I MADE MIRE PRESENTATION IT FEELS LIKE A YEAR AGO THAT THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED SO THE QUESTION OF LEGALITY IS NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE. 
          COUNCIL IS GIVING DIRECTION AND WE SEEM TO BE GETTING OF A MAKES ON THAT DIRECTION TODAY BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR IN THE SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT. 
          >> FUTURE COUNCILS. >> FOR FUTURE COUNCILS SO THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE AND NOT A QUESTION OF IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEY BUT THE RESIDENT IS RESPONSIBLE. 
          >> AND THE AREA OF CHALLENGING IF IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          >> SURE. >> -- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- SECURED. 
          IT'S FALLEN DOWN. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED TOMORROW. NOT... 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] MAKE THAT THE FIRST PRIORITY. 
          ON THE-- WE PUT AWAY FUNDS EVERY YEAR FOR SINKING THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE. FOR INSTANCE, THE WATER SLIDES WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM AND WE ALREADY STARTED DOING THAT. I TEND TO LIKE, I DON'T LIKE BONDAGE. I LIKE PUTTING ASIDE FUNDS SO THAT WE KNOW THIS IS ONGOING AND WE CAN PUT IT IN THE BUDGET AND PAY ALONG AS WE GO. THAT WOULD BE MY PREROGATIVE. 
          >> [INDISCERNIBLE]-- THE IDEA IS THE SLIDES... 
          LONG TERM FOR ME IS MORE REPLACEMENT IT DOESN'T SEEM VERY EFFICIENT IN THE LONG RUN OR LATER. 
          AT THE SAME TIME WE NEED THE FUNDS AND THE PROCESS OF OVER TIME ALL THE MONEY ASIDE, IF YOU DID IT ALL TODAY HOW LONG WOULD 
          IT TAKE, TWO YEARS, , THREE YEA. >> TWO YEARS, THE ENTIRE SCOPE. 
          TWO YEARS IS AMBITIOUS, THREE YEARS IS REASONABLE AND FOUR 
          YEARS... >> AND IN THREE YEARS FROM NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT ROAD REPAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S AN ONGOING EVER INCREASING, ALL THE TIME. 
          THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO -- >> AND ANY OTHER REPAIRS 
          NECESSARY. >> ALMOST OUTDATING CERTAIN BUDGET IN CERTAIN YEARS TO DO REPEARS, STILL-- REPAIRS, STILL SHY OF SOME WALL IN THE FUTURE FOREVER SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE -- 
          >> SURE, THAT'S EXACTLY WITH A KRISTOFF IS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION AND THEN WE WE STOPPED THAT PRACTICE AND OVER THE COURSE OF A FEW YEARS 
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WE GOT INTO SAYING IT'S NOT THE CITY'S PROBLEM, A HOMEOWNER OR A NEIGHBORHOOD'S PROBLEM. WE ENDED IN ALMOST A YEARLONG BATTLE NOW WHERE NO, IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. 
          HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. 
          WE SET THE STANDARD THAT IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. 
          NOW THAT THERE ARE WALLS THAT ARE FAILING WE'RE BEYOND THE POINT OF PACIFIC, CLEAN UP -- PATCH, CLEAN UP, SHORTEN THE FOUNDATION AND AT THE POINT WHERE CERTAIN ONES THAT GOT TO BAD HAVE TO BE REPLACED. I TOTALLY AGREE, BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE YEARS TO GET CAUGHT UP AND ANNUAL ALLOCATION THAT IS MAKE THIS NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF WHAT IS A CITY ASSET. IF WE-- WITH ALL THESE CITY 69THS THAT WE HAVE IF-- ASSETS THAT WE HAVE IF WE NEVER REPLACE THE AIR-CONDITIONERS, THERE WILL BE MONTH OLD      MOLD IN THIS R COST THAN JUST REPLACING THE AIR-CONDITIONER. 
          >> TOTALLY. >> FROM MY BUSINESS STANDPOINT, TOO-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- THAT'S THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS BUT IF YOU HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE NOW, IT WON'T BE $5 MILLION BUT I STRUGGLE FOR LONG-TERM FOR CERTAIN THINGS. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THIS-- YOU CAN WEIGH THIS AND ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, YOU GUYS ADDRESSED IT LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO, MORE 
          SOLVING PROBLEMS. >> WHAT IT -- 
          >> SEEMS LIKE FOREVER. >> BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET AND NOT RIGHT NOW BUT A CERTAIN APPROACH IS... 
          IT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUING PROBLEM. 
          WE CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY TALKING ABOUT ROADS OR THESE THINGS AND WE'LL NEVER HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR ALL OF THAT BUT THE REALITY IS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM NOW WHILE WE'RE CONSISTENTLY AS A CITY REMINDING OURSELVES IT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX THOSE THINGS. IN MY OPINION, NO DOUBT THAT TO 
          KEEP IT CONSISTENT -- >> TO CLARIFY 1.5 MILLION FOR 
          THE CURRENT PROJECT. >> SO TO TAKE NEXT STEPS THERE'S NOT-- SO THE DISEASE DOESN'T-- THE CITY DOESN'T SAVE UP MONEY AND SPEND IT ON SOMETHING. WE DON'T ALLOCATE A TAX RATE THAT ADDS MONEY TO THE CITY'S COFFERS, NOT TYPICALLY ANYWAY, AND SAVE UP AND BUY A NEW CAR. A HOUSEHOLD FINANCE, TYPICALLY DEAD IS THE WAY ACCOMPLISH THOSE THINGS. 
          AND DEBT, I DO THINK IT CAN BE A CHALLENGE BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN CERTAIN NEEDS RISE TO THAT LEVEL AND TO ME THAT'S ONE OF THEM BECAUSE THIS WALL IF PROPERLY MAINTAINED COULD BE A 50-YEAR WALL. LAKE BEND ESTATES IS ALMOST 50 YEARS. IT'S UP THERE. 
          IT'S MOVED, AND HAD BEEN HIT BY CARS BUT IF IT WAS PROPERLY MAINTAINED OVER THE YEARS WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TODAY. WE ARE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE THAT HAPPENED. WE CAN CATCH UP AND ONCE WE GET CAW UP MAKE IT AN ANNUAL ALLOCATION BUT IN MY OPINION IT WILL TAKE DEBT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE I DON'T SEE MAKING IT HAPPEN ANY OTHER WAY AND WE CAN USE THE FUND BALANCED DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE WHICH IS AN OPTION. 
          >> WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND SEE WHAT BALANCES THERE ARE AND IMPACT BEFORE WE ISSUE MORE DEBT. 
          >> SURE. >> SO WE'RE IN THE REPAIR AND THEN REPLACE ONLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WALL THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND KEEP THINGS CONTINUOUS. 
          I THINK WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU THAT IT'S STANDARD FOR SCREEN WALLS TO REPAIR THAT'S THERE. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE DESIGN AND REPAIRING AND IF REPLACING A LONG SEGMENT WE'LL LOOK AT A DIFFERENT DESIGNER, DEPENDING ON THE COMPOSITION OF THE WALL. 
          >> GO AHEAD. >> WHEN WE DO THAT WE'LL BRING IT BACK, THE DESIGN PROCESS. WHEN WE'RE REPAIRING WE'RE WHAT WE CAN TO THE EXISTING WOMAN    WALL FACILITY. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? 
          >> I HAVE-- I THINK THAT'S ALL THE DIRECTION I WAS LOOKING FOR. 
          WE'LL PREPARE TO DISCUSS IT DURING THE CIP PROCESS IN JULY. 
          WE'LL BRING THIS FORWARD AS AN ITEM WITH FUNDING OPTION AT THAT 
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TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, KRISTOFF. 
          COUNCIL, TAKE FIVE MINUTES? >> YES. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A SHORT BREAK. 
          BE BACK AROUND >> WELCOME BACK. 
          [3.D. Discussion regarding Project Funding and Debt Management Strategies.]
7:58. WE TOOK LONGER THAN THAT. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RESUME. 
          THEY'RE ON A ITEM 3D, TIGHTED DISCUSSION REGARDING PROJECT FUNDING AND DEBT MANAGEMENT FUNDING AND MIKE WITH FINANCES 
          FOR US. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. 
          WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ASK US THE PRIVATE FUNDING OF DEBT STRATEGIES. THE CITY HISTORICALLY RELIED ON CASH FUNDING FOR EXPENDITURES LIKE EQUIPMENT. 
          IN 2024 THEY PRESENTED A PLAN TO TRANSITION CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT WERE FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND. 
          THE OPERATIONS OVER TO THE-- THE--RATE. 
          THE TWO TAX RATES FOR EMPLOYEE SALARIES AND OTHER WORKING CAPITAL NEEDS IN THE INTEREST AND UTILIZED FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES TO FUND DEBT SERVICE OF  . 
          THE PLAN UTILIZED CAPACITY THAT AROSE FROM GROWTH AND ASSESSED VALUES TO PAY DOWN THE EXISTING DEBT AND REVISED RESTRUCTURING THE PROPOSED DEBT FROM THE ELECTIONS. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH DOLLARS ARE RESTRICTED IN HOW THEY GROW, THE STATE LIMITS IT AT 3.5% ANNUALLY PLUS NEW GROWTH PLUS TAKEN TO AN ELECTION. BY MOVING THE ELIGIBLE COSTS OUT OF THE RATE WITH THIS PLAN IT ALLOWED FOR COUNCIL TO ENHANCE INVESTMENT INCLUDING PERSONNEL AND IT STABILIZED THE OUTLOOK FOR THE CITY BUDGET WHICH WAS FORECASTED TO BE PRESSURED BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS AND FUTURE GROWTH NOT MATERIALIZING AND IT RESULTED IN A HEALTHIER GROWTH OUTLOOK AND WHILE MAINTAINING A FLAT TAX RATE AND KEEPING THE INS RATE DOWN FOR VOTERS DURING THE 2023 ELECTION. 
          KIND OF GOING ENTIRE STRATEGY. 
          IT'S CITY HISTORICALLY HAS OPERATED ON A THREE-YEAR CYCLE SINCE 2015 AND TAKING INPUT FROM THE TASK FORCE. 
          THE CAPACITY AS DISCUSSED BEFORE CAME FROM INCREASES IN TAX PROPERTY AND INCREASING DEBT AND IT CAME ONLINE TO NOT INCREASE THE TAX RATE. WITH THE INCREASED CAPACITY FOR THE 2024 CYCLE THE CITY ELECTED TO DIVERT SOME OF THAT CAPACITY HISTORICALLY FUNDED OVER TO THE IRS RATE TO REDUCE THE BURR DENY AND REMOVED THE DOLLARS SPENT IN THE GEO-CATEGORY AND INTO G OS AND TAX NOTES AND PREVIOUSLY BOURNE OUT OF THE RATE AND NOT THE-- THAT'S CONFUSING. I WORDED THAT CONFUSING. 
          DO YOU GUYS NEED CLARITY ON THAT? FOR INSTANCE, A FIRE TRUCK WAS PREVIOUSLY FUNDED FROM A CAPITAL LEASE, THAT'S FUNDED OUT OF OUR MNO RATE USING THE CAPACITY CALCULATED FROM THE 2024 CYCLE WE MOVED IT OUT OF THE MOU RATE AND STUCK IS IN THE INS RATE AND THAT CREATED FOR INSTANCE OUT OF THE CAPITAL LEASES $721,000 OUT OF THE SEMINAL TAX RATE AND THE CAPACITY RATE TO BE USED FOR POLICE COMPENSATION. 
          THIS IN ADDITION TO THE CONVERSATION SOME OF THE CAPACITY WAS UTILIZED FOR. PUBLIC WORKS CAPACITY OR PUBLIC 
          WORKS CONVERSATION. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, THE BONDS ARE APPROVED BY THE COUNCI AND NOT GOES TO THE VOTERS. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> JUST FOR CLARITY. 
          >> THEY ARE A FUN TOPIC AND I FOUND THIS FROM THE TEXAS ANNUAL REPORT, IT'S A TREND THAT'S INTO THE UNIQUE TO-- NOT UNIQUE TO ROWLETT IN. ABLY THAT'S ALL OTHER -- IN ROWLETT. THAT'S ALL THE OTHER BONDS AND THE RISE FROM THE YEAR, 2025 FROM '24 INCREASED A BILLION DOLLARS FROM '23 TO '24 HALF OF A BILLION DOLLARS AND THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT ISSUED VERSUS PAID DOWN PER YEAR. 
          3.5 BILLION ALMOST FROM '24 TO '25. 
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THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY COMMON IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          UTILIZED BY A LOT OF CITIES INCLUDING CITIES IN DFW. 
          SO KIND OF GETTING INTO THE ULTIMATE PLAN OF THE PLANS FUNDED, WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT GEO BYELECTION FOR PUBLIC     PUBLID OUT THERE IN THE PARK AND THE OTHER WENT TO STREETS, PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS AND OF THE 23 PROJECTS 7.6 MILLION ISSUED IN 2023 AND 7.2 MILLION IN 2025. 
          THIS YEAR IT WAS PLANNED FOR 23 MILLION. 
          FOR THE 2024 ELECTION FOR THE STREETS AND THE PARKS AND FIRE STATION IMPROVEMENTS AND STREET LIGHTING 15.7 IN '24. 
          21.3 IN '25. 14.3 CONTEMPLATED FOR THIS YEARS. THESE MONIES WOULD BE PRICED IN AUGUST AND RECEIVED IN SEPTEMBER WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY WOULD BE SPENT IN FISCAL '27 BUDGET YEAR. THAT LIKEWISE WILL CARRY ON TO THE NEXT TO SLIDES. CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND FUNDING AND CAP X RATE TO THE-- RATE AND CERTAIN VEHICLES SUCH AS FIRE TRUCKS WITH A LONGER ASSET LIFE. 
          '24, 8.10 MILLION FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND 9.92 MILLION FOR THE STREETS AND DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKS AND PROJECTS ALONG WITH THE FIRE EQUIPMENT AND A PLAN FOR 5.2 MILLION. IN ADDITION TO THE DEBT PLAN FORMULATED LAST YEAR 20 MILLION WAS ISSUED FOR MUNICIPAL COMPLEX PROJECT IN FEBRUARY. SO THE LAST DEBT ARE THE TAX NOTES. THIS IS MEANT TO FUND EQUIPMENT THAT WAS FUNDED IN THE RATE NOW THE RATE WITH A SHORTER LIFE. 
          FIRE VEHICLES, POLICE VEHICLES, VARIOUS PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT AND I.T. EQUIPMENT ALL OF WHICH ARE-- THRESHOLDS. 
          WE ISSUED 6.2 IN 2024. WE ISSUED THREE MILLION LAST YEAR AND 3.8 MILLION IS CONTEMPLATED THIS YEAR TO FUND THE VEHICLES IN ADDITION TO THE SOFTWARE RECENTLY BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. NOW WE COVERED A LOT ON DEBT JUST NOW. I'LL PAUSE AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEBT PLAN AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEBT OR THE PROJECTS FUNDED WITH THE DEBT. 
          >> CAN YOU GIVE -- >> WE'RE USING... 
          PART OF IT IS-- YOU CAN FIND CERTAIN SOFTWARE COSTS AND WE'RE USING A CERTAIN EXEMPTION TO FUND THE ONE CAPITAL 
          COMPONENT... >> YOU ALSO SEE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS MONEY FOR THE ENTERPRISE LEASE REPLACEMENT. 
          SOMETHING WE'RE MOVING ON THIS YEAR AND LOOK FORWARD TO REPLACING THOSE VEHICLES WITH REPLACEMENTS. 
          >> SO ROUGHLY 158 MILLION... >> YES, SIR. 
          >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN USED OF THAT 
          158 MILLION? >> WE CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT ON ME RIGHT NOW. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE BY DEPARTMENT WHAT WE'VE USED AND WHAT'S REMAINING IN THIS THREE-YEAR CYCLE. 
          >> COUNCIL, OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 
          >> NO, THIS IS THE PRESENTATION -- 
          >> ONE MORE SLIDE. JUST ON A TIMETABLE. 
          >> JUST KIND OF MOVING FORWARD ON THE LAST SLIDE. 
          SO THE ISSUE PROCESS IS TIED TO OUR BUDGET. 
          AS WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE SOLVING FOR THE RIGHT TAX RATE. 
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THIS IS FORMULATED WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND CAN CONTEMPLATES THERE'S THREE TYPES OF DEBT, COS FOLLOWING A SPECIFIC TIMELINE AND APPROVED HAVING A LONGER LIFE. 
          THERE IS A MEETING TOMORROW AT COUNCIL WHEREBY WE WOULD ASK APPROVAL FOR A NEWSPAPER NOTICE. NOT APPROVING ANY DENT, IT DOESN'T-- DEBT, IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE TAX RATE BUT POSTING A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE TO HAVE A FUTURE MEETING TO CONSIDER THE ISSUES OF DEBT. IT WOULD BE PUBLISHED TWICE AND MUST BE AT LEAST 45 DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          SO WHEN WE PUBLISH THAT IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS AND THEN ON JULY 21ST ON THAT SAME COUNCIL MEETING WE WOULD COME BACK WITH A PARAMETER ORDINANCE WHEREBY COUNCIL WOULD GIVE APPROVAL TO THE CITY MANAGER TO PRICE THE ISSUANCE OF ALL THE DEBTS OF THE CO GS TAX NOTES AND IN ADDITION WATER AND SEWER BONDS AND THEN WORK WITH OUR ADVISOR TO PRICE ONCE WE HAVE THE FINALS SO WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT TAX RATE AND THERE ARE VARIOUS AREAS WHERE WE TREAT THE TAXATION AND CALCULATE THE RIGHT NUMBERS TO RUN TO GET THAT NUMBER AND GET PROCEDURES BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR WHICH IS ADVISED BY COUNCIL-- FOR IT TO BE ELIGIBLE AND THEN IT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN SEPTEMBER FOR THE SUBSEQUENT FISCAL YEAR. 
          >> DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT FROM YOUR ADVISORS OF WHAT THE PRICING WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE INSTABILITY IN THE MARKET TODAY? 
          >> WE ACTUALLY JUST PRICED SOME NONRATED DEBT WHICH SHOWS IT WAS RED LINE RECEIVED IN A CHOPPY MARKET. 
          I DID RECEIVE FROM SOME UNDERWRITERS A PRESENTATION THIS MORNING. WE NEED TO VET IT WITH OUR FA AND THE COSTS IN THAT PRESENTATION IS ABOUT 4.1%, 4.15% WITH THE DEBT WITH YOU IT'S SUBJECT TO THE RISE AND THE VOLATILITY SO IT'S REALLY-- THERE'S A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN 
          NOW AND AUGUST. >> JUST AS YOU'RE DOING, WE NEED TO MEASURE RISK AS WE THINK ABOUT MORE DEBT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT -- HOW RISK WILL IMPACT THAT. 
          SO CERTAINLY -- >> CERTAINLY ARE THE FORECAST THIS MORNING SHOWS THAT-- INDICATES THAT THE RISK IS HIGHER INTEREST RATES OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. 
          THAT'S CERTAINLY ARE THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE. 
          IS THAT INTEREST RATES WILL BE GOING UP BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST. 
          >> SO IT'S KIND OF MORE THE RISK THE SALE, NOT-- WELL, TEXAS IS A VERY STRONG MARKET FOR SELLING MUNICIPAL PAPER. 
          SO IT'S A CHALLENGING MARKET ENVIRONMENT. 
          WE SAW IT WITH COVID AND AFTER THE UNDERWRITERS ARE OUT THERE AND MARKET PAPER AND FIND INVESTS. 
          THERE'S A STRONG DEMAND. >> I THINK MY POINT IS THAT WE GET VERY COMPETITIVE RATES BUT THEY'LL STILL BE LIKELY HIGHER 
          IN AUGUST THAN NOW. >> SO THE BUDGET CYCLE, WE SHOULD PREPARE FOR THAT. ALL THINGS ARE NOT EQUAL. 
          >> RIGHT. WE'LL BE CONSERVATIVE IN OUR 
          ESTIMATES, SIR. >> SO, MICHAEL, WHEN THAT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL JULY 21ST, DOES THAT COME TO US AS A TOTAL GROUP TO AWE E  APPROVE OR DO YU APPROVE THEM INDIVIDUALLY, CO, 
          DO? >> LAST TIME I THINK WE DID THEM 
          ALL IN ONE. >> SO WORKING WITH COUNCIL. 
          >> CORRECT, WE CAN WORK WITH COUNCIL TO PROVIDE A COPY SO... 
          >> IS IT MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO SELL AS A PACKAGE OR INDIVIDUAL? 
          >> UM... >> ASK COUNCIL THAT AND GET BACK 
          TO ME. >> WELL, WHEN THEY'RE SOLD, SO WE DO LIKELY-- WHAT WILL LIKELY HAPPEN IS THERE WILL BE OFFERINGS AND WE'LL WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE UNDERWRITER TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE, FOR INSTANCE, THE TAX NOTE $3 MILLION A SMALLER AMOUNT THAT WILL RECEIVE LESS INTEREST AND THAT'S WHY WE WORK WITH THE UNDERWRITER BECAUSE THE PRICE IS 
          SORT OF ANCHORED TO EACH OTHER. >> SO WHEN YOU PACKAGE IT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE SELL IT ALL AT A VERY GOOD RATE. 
          IF WE BREAK IT UP, THE TAX NOTES IS NOT A SMALL AMOUNT AND NOT 
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PARTICULARLY ATTRACTIVE AND NOT ATTRACTIVE RATE SO WE PACKAGE IT 
          TO GET A MORE ATTRACTIVE RATE. >> PRICE IT ALL ON THE SAME DAY. 
          >> BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE ONE LUMP SUM IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. 
          >> SOME ARE OPPOSED TO SOME. I WONDER IF THAT'S COMING TO US. 
          YOU VOTE ON ONE, YOU VOTE ON THEM ALL. 
          THAT IS MY CONCERN. >> AUTO I GUESS THE POINT I'M-- I GUESS THE POINT I'M MAKING IT DOESN'T AFFECT HOW YOU SELL IT. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IF WE DO IT A CERTAIN WAY IT WILL COST US. 
          I WOULDN'T DO THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          >> ONE THING THAT WE USED TO DO AND BEFORE KRISTOFF AND MIKE'S TIME BUT WE USED TO ISSUE BONDS AN A CERTAIN DATE-- ON A CERTAIN DATE AND THEN IT GIVES THE ISSUE AND BOND COUNCIL FLEXIBILITY ON ISSUING ON A MORE ADVANTAGEOUS DATE SO IF THERE'S INSTABLITY IN THE MARKET THERE MIGHT BE A DAY WHERE IT'S BETTER. 
          GOOD NEWS COUPLES OUT AND EVERYBODY IS HONKY DORY TO BUY AT A LOWER RATE AND THAT'S THE DATE TO ENGAGE THE TRANSACTION. 
          >> DID WE NOT JUST DO THAT? >> WITH THE TRAILS ACCOUNT IT HAD TO BE ON A SPECIFIC DATE. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO   TO DO IA BAROMETER STRUCTURE ON-- PARAMETER STRUCTURE ON UNWRITTEN DEBT BUT WE DID IT ON A SALES AND NOT A COMPETITIVE DEBT. 
          >> FROM THE CITY -- >> YES, THIS IS STRUCTURE THAT 
          WE MOVED TO --  . >> IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS SINCE WE 
          DID THAT. >> IN 2023 WHEN I GOT HERE, THAT WAS'S EXAMINIVE SALE ON-- COMPETITIVE SALE ON A SPECIFIC DATE AND THE DEBT THEREAFTER IS PRACTICAL BECAUSE IT GIVES US FLEXIBILITY. THAT ACCOUNT AND ALL ARE NEGOTIATED TO WORK WITH THE UNDERWRITERS TO ASSESS-- WE DEALT WITH THIS LAST YEAR ACTUALLY WHEN THE TIMING WAS-- I CAN'T RECALL THE SPECIFICS OVER THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT IT WAS A MARKET ENVIRONMENT AND WE WERE UNCERTAIN WITH THE TIMING OF CERTAIN LEGISLATURE AND AGAIN IT'S THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE 
          ISSUE, WHAT MADE THE MOST SENSE. >> WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOW- 
          >> YEAH. >> SO LOOKING AT PAGE-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL NATURE OF THE NOTE BUT DO NOT NOTICE BUT FOR THE PUBLIC CLARITY BUT THE DEBT STRUCTURE IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF A TAX RATE INCREASE BECAUSE TAX RATE INCREASE ARE THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AND I WANT SOME UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT. 
          >> WITH THE 2023 BYELECTION IT WAS APPROVED THE TAX INCREASE AND 27-CENT TAX RATE LEVEL AND THAT TIES IN WITH THIS CALENDAR. 
          THIS CALENDAR STRUCTURE AROUND US PRICING AFTER WE FOUND THE FINAL ASSESSED VALUES AND WE TAILOR OUR STRUCTURE TO CAUSE THE TAX RATE TO   TO NOT BE ABOE THAT. 
          IF WE ISSUE BEFORE WE'RE TAKING A GUESS AND THIS ALLOWS US TO TARGET A SPECIFIC TAX RATE ONCE WE KNOW ALL THE FINAL VALUES FOR DALLAS COUNTY AND... DALLAS COUNTY. 
          >> IS THAT WHAT YOU ASSESS? >> YEP. 
          IT IS. >> I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMING IN TO GIVE YOU TO TAKE HIS PLACE IF YOU DON'T GET 
          IT ABOVE THAT CAP. >> SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT YOU'VE GOT YOUR DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE. 
          SO BASICALLY YOU KEEP ISSUING 20-YEAR DEBT AND KEEP LAYERING IT ON IT WILL EVENTUALLY FALL DOWN. 
          EVERY YEAR WE'RE PAYING DEBT SERVICE WE'RE PAYING DOWN PRINCIPLE AND WE'RE ALSO-- THAT CREATES A LEVEL OF CAPACITY. 
          FOR INSTANCE YOU MIGHT HAVE $10 MILLION OF DEBT SERVICE NEXT YEAR. SO WITH THAT YOU CAN ADJUST THE STRUCTURE OF THE DEBT TO FILL THAT... 
          >> WE USED TO PRODUCE A CHART LIKE THAT THAT USED TO SHOW THE ANTICIPATED GROWTH OF REVENUE AND THEN AS BONDS WERE PAID OFF AND DROPPED OFF AND IT WOULD SHOW THE DEBT CAPACITY, COULD WE 
          [02:05:03]
PRODUCE ONE OF THOSE AND SHARE IT WITH COUNCIL TO VISUALIZE 
          WHAT HE'S EXPLAINING. >> IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS AND I'LL 
          GO UP AND FIND. >> COUNCIL, OTHER QUESTIONS AND 
          COMMENTS? >> -- ACTUAL SPEND THESE. 
          >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BOND ESTIMATES? 
          >> THE COST OF WHAT WE SPEND EVERY YEAR TO HAVE ALL OF THESE 
          COSTS AND THINGS... >> AT THIS POINT WE'RE ACTUALLY 
          MAKING REVENUE. >> MORE MONEY THAN WE HAD BEFORE 
          SO WE'RE A POSITIVE. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          DID YOU USE THAT DIFFERENTLY? >> WE'RE GETTING INTO A COMPLICATED TOPIC... [LAUGHTER] 
          >> SO THE IRS BASED ON-- SO WHEN YOU ISSUE THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT METRICS TO ASSESS THE COST OF CAPITAL,-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- SO KRISTOFF IS ALLUDING TO WHEN WE ISSUE THE DEBT WE INVEST THOSE PROCEEDS INTO A TEXT POOL OR TEXT STAR, LIKE MARKET ACCOUNTS. 
          APPROXIMATELY 37.6, 3.7% UNDER THE CURRENT MARKET ENVIRONMENT. 
          THROUGHOUT TIME AS WE ISSUED DEBT THERE'S BEEN A DIFFERENT MARKET ENVIRONMENTS. SO IN 2020-2021 THE INTEREST RATES WERE LOWER BECAUSE OF THE COVID THERE WAS DEMAND FOR INCOME. AND THOSE WERE TRACKING BELOW 6.3% AND WE EARN IN EXCESS OF THAT ON THE METRIC. 
          WE ACTUALLY REBATE -- >> JUST HOW DO YOU USE THAT MONEY? I'M JUST ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE SOMEWHERE-- NOT A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE BUT DO YOU HAVE SOME PLACE THAT SAY WE SPEND X AMOUNT 
          OF DOLLARS? >> WE HAD-- IT'S ON THE WEB SITE TOO BUT THERE IS AN ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE THAT SHOWS THE COMPOSITE OF ALL THE CITY DEBT AND THE PRINCIPLE PAYMENTS OR 
          WITH OUR CURRENT DEBT. >> IT'S WONDERFUL THAT WE MAKE 
          MORE MONEY -- >> IS IT WHAT WE SPEND OR THE 
          RATES -- >> IT IS NOT. 
          >> IT DOES NOT. >> THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED SUBJECT BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN JUST ABOUT THE DEBT ITSELF. 
          LIKE I KNOW-- WHEN I STARTED ON COUNCIL I EQUIVOCATED THINGS TO HOUSEHOLD FINANCE, AND IT'S EASY TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING YOU UNDERSTAND INTIMATELY AND YOU UNDERSTAND HOW YOUR HOUSEHOLD WORK, YOU UNDERSTAND HOW A BUSINESS WORKS BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENTAL PLANS BECAUSE IN MANY CASES THE INFLATIONARY COST OF FIXING A STREET OR ALLEY OR THE IMPLICATIONS OF NOT FIXING A ROAD COULD RESULT IN A 3 TO 4 TO 5X COST TO HAVING TO REPLACE THAT ROAD DOWN THE WAY. SO IT BECOMES VERY, VERY DIFFICULT NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT PART OF THIS IS TO, YOU KNOW, TURN TAX DOLLARS INTO VALUE FOR RESIDENTS. 
          AND THAT VALUE THEN GROWS-- PROPERTY VALUES, IT GROWINGS THE VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY AND GROWS QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          SO ME, THERE'S A LARGE PART OF IT THAT IS FINANCIAL AND THAT'S WHY I SIT ON THE FINANCIAL COMMITTEE BUT THERE'S A BIG CHUNK OF IT THAT'S SOMEWHAT INTANGIBLE AND DIFFICULT TO MEASURE. IN FISCAL YEAR BUDGET BOOK, STARTING ON PAGE 197 THERE'S A LIST OF P BOND VALUES THAT WE HAVE IN PRINCIPLE AND THE INTEREST AND THE TOTAL PNI EACH YEAR FOR EACH BOND. PAGE 197 YOU CAN FIND THAT AND IT'S MANY, MANY PAGES LONG BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE ISSUESIANSES THAT STARTED IN 2015 AND BEFORE. 
          GOOD STUFF AND INFORMATION AND YOU CAN SEE THE TAX NOTES IN THERE THE SEVEN-YEAR DIFFERENCES THAT WERE SHARED. 
          YOU CAN SUMMARIZE BUT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS YOU CAN SEE -- AND ALSO-- I MEAN-- HEAR ME SAY THAT IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY ON THOSE DOLLARS BUT WE'RE LOSING MONEY ON THOSE DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY'RE TAX DOLLARS WE'RE NOT PUTTING TO WORK FOR THOSE RESIDENT. THAT PART TICKS ME OFF. 
          YOU CAN SIT THERE AND SAY WE GET INTEREST ALL DAY LONG BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE'S A STREET NOT FIXED, ALLEY FALLING APART 
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AND MUNICIPAL STATIONS AND POLICE STATIONS NOT BEING BUILT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MISSING BY NOT HAVING THIS MONEY IN THE BANK. SORRY, HAD TO RANT A BIT. 
          >> IT'S A GOOD RANT. >> TO PLAY OFF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, IN THE GOVERNMENTAL FINANCE, FUND A STREET AND THE CURRENT USERS ARE PAYING FOR THE STREET AND WHEN IT'S TIME TO REDO THE STREET THEY ISSUE MORE DEBT AND IT'S TIME THAT THE PAYERS OF THE STREET WHO USE THE STREET AND-- [INDISCERNIBLE]-- 
          ANOTHER WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          >> THIS IS A COMPLEX TOPIC THAT HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND I'VE TALKED TO THE MAYOR AND PRESENTATION TO DO A TOWN HALL ABOUT THIS LATER THIS YEAR. 
          AND WE GET TOGETHER AND DO A TRIAL RUN WITH THE THREE OF YOU SO YOU CAN PEPPER ME WITH ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND HIT ME WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT I'M SAYING WRONG AND WE CAN GET ON THE 
          PUBLIC TO DO A BETTER JOB. >> JUST TELL ME... 
          [LAUGHTER] >> SO AGAIN, MIKE MENTIONED THAT TOMORROW WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA THE PUBLICATION OF NOTICE TO ISSUE-- INTENT TO ISSUE COES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AROUND THIS TOPIC OR DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE? 
          >> JUST A QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD, TAKE US TO IT. 
          [LAUGHTER] >> ARE THERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM FOR TOMORROW OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS TOPIC 
          FOR TODAY? >> IF I'M CORRECT THERE'S SOME INDIVIDUAL ITEMS SUCH AS PARKS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BEING CONEMPLATED TOMORROW, IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> CEOS TOMORROW AND FUND STREET PROJECTS, $4 MILLION OF STREET PROJECTS AND AND $1.15 MILLION OF PARKS PROJECTS. TOTAL OF $1.15 MILLION WORTH OF 
          PROJECTS, STREETS AND PARKS. >> SO MY QUESTION ON THE PARKS PIECE, WE HAVE SO MANY PARKS AND THEY'RE ALL IN DIFFERENT CONDITIONS, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ASSESS BASKETBALL COURT AT THIS PARTICULAR PARK WHEN THERE ARE OTHER PARKS IN DISREPAIR THAT HAVE SAFETY ISSUES SO BEFORE ISSUING THAT I'M JUST WONDERING, HAVE WE DONE A PARK ASSESSMENT? HAVE WE DECIDED THAT WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS THIS OR SPEND THIS ON THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES? WHY ARE WE SELECTING JUST WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TOMORROW? WHY ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT ARE THE FIRST PRIORITY? AGAIN WE'RE GETTING IN ON THE THIRD YEAR OF THIS, AND I GET THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE MONEY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING AND SAYING IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A BASKETBALL COURT HERE WHEN I GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY PARK AND THE CANOPY IS DOWN, THERE'S SAFETY ISSUES ON THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. 
          JUST TRY AND MAKE IT A PRIORITY. >> ONE IS OF COURSE THIS IS AGAIN GENERATED ON A PUBLIC PROCESS FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. NOW  NOW WE'RE IN THE PATROLLINF IMPLEMENTING THAT PLAN. AND THE PRIORITY OF THAT PLAN, THINGS CHANGE AND JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED FOR-- IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T SHIFT THAT PRIORITY IN THE CI BITCHB CONVERSATION. IF YOU BELIEVE THE COUNCIL CONSENSUS SAYS THAT THE BASKETBALL COURT IS LESS OF A PRIORITY THAN THE COMMUNITY PARK, THE DOLLAR CAN MOVE AND IT GOES TO THE CIB ONN ANNUAL BASIS. 
          WE CHANGE THINGS IN PRIORITY DURING THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AT THIS POINT WE'RE DOING A NOTICE. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU NEED AUTHORIZATION TO GET IT AND IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'VE IDENTIFIED EXACTLY WHAT    WHAT IT IS. 
          IT'S A PLAN FROM FIVE YEARS AGO AND WE'RE WORKING ON THE 
          TAIL-END OF THAT PROCESS. >> THIS IS STRUCTURED AND STRUCTURED-- IT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USE, DETERMINES WHAT 
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THEY CAN BE SPENT ON. SO WORKING WITH COUNCIL, THE CO NOTICE WILL COVER BROADLY MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF STREET PROJECTS AND MANY TYPES OF PARKS PROJECTS. 
          SO WE HAVE ABILITY TO REALLOCATE THE MONIES IF A BETTER USE IS DETERMINED. AS LONG AS IT FALLS WITHIN THE 
          LANGUAGE OF WHAT -- >> WE CAN ALWAYS WORK TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS FLEXIBILITY TO COUNCIL AS WE CAN. 
          >> TO BE CLEAR, HALT YOUR E-MAILS, I'M NOT PURPORTING TO HAVE ONE LESS DOLLAR ON PARKS THAN WHAT WE'RE ALLOCATING. 
          WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AND WHAT EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL IS CONCERNED ABOUT COS AND WHAT MIKE JUST SAID, ORGANIZE WE CAN USE IT FOR THIS OR THAT. MY POINT IS THAT IF WE CONTEMPLATED FIVE YEARS AGO PUTTING IN A BASKETBALL COURT AND PARK THAT'S UNDERUTILIZED TO DRAW ATTENTION FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHERE IF WE HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE AT A COMMUNITY PARK 
          AND DETERIORATION, THAT'S OUR W. >> IT CAN ONLY BE SPENT IN THE 
          COMMUNITY MARGIN SO. >> AND I'M RECENTLY -- REASONABLY CONFIDENT TO SAY THERE'S A LOT OF OUR PARKS ARE UNDER A KIND OF ROUTINE ASSESSMENT. 
          >> I THINK WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO IN THAT AREA. 
          IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAVE LOOKED AT OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, CERTAINLY IT IS SOMETHING I RECOMMEND WE WORK ON UPDATING. 
          THE COMMUNITY'S INTERESTS HAVE CHANGED AND SUDDENLY CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED AND AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED YOU KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO SAY THIS IS NOT THE CASE BUT WE HAVE HAD A HARD TIME DELIVERING THE PROJECTS. SO PROJECTS IDENTIFIED A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BILLED BY NOW. 
          THAT MAY NO LONGER BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. 
          SO AS STAFF WE ARE COMPLETELY OPEN TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS AND WOULD RECOMMEND AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE PROCESS WE DO SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          >> YES LET'S GET BACK TO. >> A LOT OF THIS WILL DEFINITELY BE DISCUSSED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          SO LET'S FOCUS ON THE TOPIC FOR TODAY. 
          IF WE ARE GOOD WITH AT LEAST CONSIDERING THE SLIDE IT TOMORROW THERE IS NO CONSENSUS TODAY OBVIOUSLY WE WILL HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA BUT EVERYBODY CAN PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO CONTEMPLATE THE NOTICE OF ISSUANCE FOR TODAY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? 
          [3.E. Review proposals and consider the engagement of a recruiting firm to perform a nationwide City Manager search.]
OKAY, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU APPRECIATED FOR THE PRESENTATION. VERY HELPFUL. 
          >> WE WILL MOVE ONTO ITEM 3E CONSIDER RECRUITING A NATION FIRM TO CONDUCT A CITYWIDE CITY MANAGER SEARCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF HOURS. 
          >> LET'S GET IT SET. >> I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER A FEW OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY MANAGER TERM AND THE SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE SEARCH WE HAVE DEALT WITH OVER THE YEARS A LOT OF DIFFERENT FIRMS HAVE REACHED OUT TO THREE IN PARTICULAR THAT DO A LOT OF SEARCHES IN THIS ARENA FOR CITY MANAGEMENT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 
          PUBLIC PARTNERS, CAREER PROFESSIONALS, AND THEN ST ARE WHO HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME. 
          A LOT OF THE SEARCHERS IN RECENT YEARS WE DID THE ANALYSIS AND CAN SEND YOU ALL OF THE PACKAGES THAT WERE RECEIVED BY THE VENDORS AND GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE IN GOING THROUGH THE REVIEWS WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A VARIANCE IN WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE US. CAREER PROFESSIONALS SPENT A GOOD BIT OF TIME LAST WEEK AT A CONFERENCE TALKING TO THOSE GUYS THEIR TIMELINE IS ROUGHLY 12 WEEKS TO ESTIMATE FOR THE SEARCH, THEY CURRENTLY ONLY HAVE ONE CITY MANAGER SEARCH AND ALL OF THEIR SEARCHES HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN TO MIDSIZE OR SMALLER 
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CITIES, YOU KNOW THEY ARE TRYING TO GET INTO THAT BUT THEY HAVE NOT HAD A WHOLE LOT OF SUCCESS IN THAT. 
          THEY DO HAVE FIVE I BELIEVE WITH PROCESSES THAT THEY ARE IN RIGHT NOW THEIR FEE WAS A $22,000 FLAT RATE TALKING TO THEM ONE OF THEIR BIG THINGS AS THEY LIKE TO CREATE A PODCAST AND THAT WAS SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY AND PUT THAT UP THERE FOR WHATEVER POSITION THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING THEY ARE DOING THE TM RS INTERNAL DIRECTOR SEARCH THEY DID A PODCAST FOR THAT. 
          PUBLIC PARTNERS THOSE I WOULD CONSIDER THEM THE BEST OF THE BEST RICK NELSON AND BRIAN HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A BIT OF TIME. RALPH ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES, CRAIG WAS A TOP PERFORMER. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THREE CITY MANAGER SEARCH IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. 
          ONE YEAR GUARANTEE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSE ON THEIR PLAN BUT WITH THEM YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. 
          THEY HAVE DONE CITY OF AUSTIN, CITY OF ADDISON. 
          SYSTEM CITY MANAGER SEARCH AS WELL AS A BUNCH OF THEM IN CALIFORNIA, THEY KNOW OUR MARKET AND THEY KNOW ALL THE MAJOR PLAYERS, AND THEY ALSO HAVE ONE OF THE BIGGEST IN THE BASIS OF PERSONNEL TO START REACHING OUT. THEY ALSO DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO A SURVEY SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE COMMUNITIES AND PUT ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR A FUTURE CITY MANAGER TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. AND THEN THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A GOOD NUMBER YEARS. SGR, THEIR CEO, SHE LEFT A GOOD NUMBER OF THEM. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE TWO CITY MANAGER SEARCHES IN PLACE. THEIR COST WAS A LITTLE BIT L LESS. THEN MOSAIC. 
          DONE A COUPLE SEARCHES IN THE AREA. 
          AND IOWA COLONY OF TEXAS. AFTER REVIEWING ALL OF THEM AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER A RECOMMENDATION IS TO ENLIST MOSAIC PUBLIC PARTNERS TO LEAD THE SEARCH AND THEY HAVE THE BEST DATABASE THE BEST BROCHURE POSSIBLE FOR THE MARKETING. 
          A LOT OF IN-DEPTH SCREENING TO THE APPLICANTS BEFORE THEY BRING THAT FORWARD AND THEY BRING A SOLID TRACK RECORD. 
          >> COST ESTIMATE? >> 315. 
          >> WHAT DID YOU DETERMINE? >> 2500 BOTH EMPLOYEE AND 
          COMMUNITY. >> WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGED WITH MOSAIC, CORRECT? WHICH POSITIONS ARE THEY 
          RECRUITING FOR US RIGHT NOW? >> DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY 
          DEVELOPMENT. >> HAVE YOU FOUND THEM TO BE 
          EFFECTIVE? >> I HAVE USED THEM FOR YEARS AND I'VE NEVER GOTTEN BETTER CANDIDATES THAN WHAT THEY HAVE PRODUCED. VERSATILITY, CPS HR, MOSAIC 
          WOULD BE THE BEST. >> COUNSEL, THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS? 
          >> I THINK WE TALK A LOT ABOUT HOW TO GET BACK IN BE INTENTIONAL AND THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAD ONLY MENTIONED OF EMPLOYEE SURVEY AND COMMUNITY SURVEY. 
          SO THAT IS WHY I WOULD GO IN FAVOR WITH MOSAIC. 
          >> ALREADY SPENDING MONEY ON THAT. 
          >> DID THE SURVEY CONTINUE? >> A LOT OF CITY SURVEY. 
          >> A LOT THAT TAKE THAT IS A LONG SURVEY I AM OPEN I AM OPEN 
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TO IT BUT I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE IT SEE WHAT IT IS ABOUT BLOOD WITH MOSAIC IS IT BECAUSE THEY ARE LOCAL OR BECAUSE YOU HAVE DEALT WITH THEM? 
          >> THEY ACTUALLY ARE OUT OF CALIFORNIA. 
          >> MOSAIC, THEIR HOME BASES OUT OF CALIFORNIA, THEY HAVE A LOT OF THEIR BUSINESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN CALIFORNIA AND TEXAS THOSE ARE THE FOCAL POINTS AND THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE PRESENCE. 
          THEY HAVE ACTUALLY GOT EXAMPLES OF THEIR SURVEYS IN THE PACKET AND IT IS ALL FOCUSED ON WHAT DO YOU WANT THE CITY MANAGER TO FOCUS ON, AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOUR DESIRE AND ALL OF THAT? 
          >> I AGREE HERE THEY TAKE TO ADD WITH THEM BUT TO ESTABLISH TR TRUST. I THINK A THOUSAND EXTRA WITH 
          THEM. >> WHEN YOU SAY SURVEY HOW ARE THEY REACHING OUT TO GET THE SURVEY? 
          >> WORK WITH US TO GET IT OUT TO THE CITIZENS, ANSWER THE QUESTION'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID FOR THE CITIZEN SURVEY TO CREATE THE SURVEY PLATFORM AND THEN REACH OUT TO THE CITIZENS 
          AS THEY ENGAGE. >> I COULD SEE THEM REALLY LEVERAGING THAT FRONT. I THINK THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE IMPRESSION THAT WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK EVEN IF IT IS ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, EVEN IF WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE A SURVEY ET CETERA, ET CETERA I THINK YOU LEVERAGE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT FEEDBACK THAT YOU CAN, AND REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING 36,500 IF HE DID BOTH THE EMPLOYEE AMENITY SURVEY AND AS A PERCENTAGE OF SALARY THAT IS A PRETTY LOW RECRUITING FEE COMPARED TO SOME INDUSTRIES OVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT IS PRETTY 
          COMPETITIVE I THINK. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE CITY SURVEYED BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 
          CITY MANAGER POSITION. >> THE CITY SURVEY IT HAS SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR OPEN FEEDBACK BUT TALKING ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE 
          SURVEY OF THE CITIZEN SURVEY? >> THERE WERE PREDIRECTED 
          QUESTIONS. >> I THINK JUST ONE SORT OF ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, NO REAL QUESTIONS FOR THE POSITION. 
          >> THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE. >> THAT IS IT. 
          >> WITH THEIR STRATEGY WOULD IT BE TO MAYBE DUE THE SURVEY 
          FIRST? >> WITH WHAT YOU WANT YOUR PARAMETERS FOR EXPERIENCE, EDUCATION, ALL THOSE THINGS AND THEN THEY WILL PUT TOGETHER IN COOPERATION WITH CITY COUNCIL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT ARE OUT THERE AND DO NOT FORMULATE A SURVEY AND THEN MOVING IT OUT IT WAS KNEE-JERK AS WELL. 
          >> WILL THEY CUT THAT IN DEEP? >> IN THE BEGINNING IT WILL BE MORE TEAMS THAT YOU DO HAVE IN THE ONE SITE VISIT. 
          THE ADDITIONAL ONES ARE $1500 SO IT IS NOT REALLY. 
          >> THEY ARE ALL LIKE THAT AS WELL BUT THEY GIVE YOU A FLAT FEE FOR THE BASIC SEARCH IN THE PARAMETERS AND THAT. 
          BUT LIKE I'M GOING TO BE ON A TEAM'S CALL WITH THEM TOMORROW WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. LIKE WE WILL HAVE TO TOUCH BASE AND THEY WILL LET US KNOW HOW THINGS ARE GOING WITH THAT. 
          SO THEY ARE ALWAYS IN COMMUNICATION WITH US. 
          >> COUNSEL, OTHER COMMENTS? >> EVERYBODY, GENERALLY HAPPY 
          WITH MOSAIC? >> I UNDERSTAND ONE THING THAT MY EXPERIENCE WOULD ESSENTIALLY SERVE IS IT DEPENDS ON WHO THEY COUNT AS MANAGERS AND THE COMPANY CAN DO THIS, THAT SEEMS TO BE DOING THE WORK. I THINK IT IS PARAMOUNT THAT WE PICK THE RIGHT ACCOUNT MANAGER. NOT NECESSARILY COMMUNITY 
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SERVICES DEVELOPMENT, BUT WORKING FOR THIS POSITION. 
          >> I CAN MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU. I HAVE BOTH OF THE FOUNDING PARTNERS TO BRING THOSE SEA SEARCHES. 
          >> ONE OF THOSE WILL DO THE CITY MANAGER SEARCHES. 
          >> THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS I HAVE DONE THIS FOR TOO LONG. 
          >> NOT GOING TO WASTE YOUR TIME OR THE CITY'S MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT BE THE BEST RESULT POSSIBLE. 
          >> THE SLIDE DID NOT REFLECT THAT ANSWER. 
          >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THE FIRM. 
          >> THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A FEW YEARS BUT BASICALLY TRYING 
          TO GET INTO THE MARKET. >> IT MEANS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY BAIL FOR WHATEVER REASON BASICALLY WE LOSE THE CITY MANAGER WITHIN THE YEAR THEY REPEAT THE SEARCH AT NO 
          COST. >> SO MEDDLING WITH THEM DOES 
          NOT COUNT. >> WE DID NOT GO THROUGH A BID 
          PROCESS FOR THE STOOD WAY. >> NO, SIR. 
          >> HOW DID WE IDENTIFY THESE THREE FIRMS FOR THE SELECTING 
          FIRM. >> OVER THE YEARS IT HAS LIKE ONE MAJOR LIKE BIG SEARCHES ANYMORE, CP THEY DO A LOT OF HR STUFF. SGR, LIKE ABUSE THEM OVER THE LAST COUPLE DECADES WHEN I LOOK AT SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS THE CITY MANAGER I WILL NOT WASTE BE -- THE TIME ON THESE OTHERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO PRODUCE THE CALIBER OF CANDIDATES THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW FOR THIS ORGANIZATION. 
          >> I WAS WATCHING THE PRESENTATION. 
          >> IT WAS WITH MOSAIC. >> I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS AND HOW THE BID IS MADE. I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY TELLING ME THIS IS THE 
          BEST. >> COULD WE ARRANGE FOR A TEAM'S CALL FOR EACH OF THESE VENDORS TO MAKE A PITCH? I HATE TO PUSH THIS ANY FURTHER BACK BUT I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT DECISION THE RIGHT CALL. 
          YES, LET'S DO THAT. IF EVERYBODY AGREES SORRY, I DO NOT MEAN TO DICTATE WHAT WE ARE DOING ANY OBJECTION TO GOING DOWN THAT PATH? SCHEDULING A TEAM'S CALL WITH THIS GROUP? OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE OUR SCHEDULES MAY BE GO SPECIAL MEETING OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO AND THEN HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH EACH OF THESE VENDORS TO DETERMINE AND THEN IF THEY COULD EACH MAKE THEIR PITCH AT A 30 MINUTE WINDOW I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL I'M SEEING 
          HEADS NODDING. >> THESE ARE ALL THESE ONES THAT 
          WE CAN WORK WITH. >> AND WE JUST PICK FOR PEOPLE 
          OR DID THEY COME TO US AND SAY. >> I LOOKED AT ALL THE CANDIDATES AND ALL THE COMPANIES THAT WERE VIABLE FOR CITY MANAGER SEARCHES AND KNOWING THE HISTORY OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH SOME OF THEM IN THE WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING AND NOT DOING I LOOKED AT THE SEARCHES THAT THEY HAVE DONE RECENTLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. THAT THE CITY MANAGER SEARCHES, DID THEY HAVE GOOD FEEDBACK, ANY COMMENTS FROM CITIES OR AROUND THE STATE FOR DIFFERENT VIEWS I HAVE A LOT OF DATA IN AND THESE ARE THE THREE THAT CAME. DO YOU WANT TO SEE SOME 
          ADDITIONAL FIRMS? >> IT IS DIFFICULT WITH SOMEBODY 
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          LIKE THAT. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? 
          >> TYPICALLY YOU HAVE A POOL LIKE YOU SAID IT LIKELY REACH OUT LIKE WE ARE LOOKING TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER INTERESTED IN DOING THIS YOU KNOW SEND THIS BACK AND WHAT IS YOUR BACKGROUND, WHAT IS YOUR WHATEVER ABOUT, HAVING TO LOOK AND SAY DO THE RESEARCH ON THAT BECAUSE COMING TO YOU THEY ARE LOOKING TO SAY LIKE I WANT TO COME HERE I WANT TO DO THIS. 
          BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU WANT, YOU KNOW? I THOUGHT MOSAIC CAME HERE AND HAD SOMETHING FOR US AND WAS IT STRATEGIC A STRATEGIC PLAN OR SOMETHING? 
          >> THEY ARE RECRUITING FOR A COUPLE OF PHYSICIANS OKAY. 
          >> I REMEMBER THEY DID WELL ON THE REVIEW BUT I WOULD STILL 
          LIKE TO SEE. >> I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER USED 
          MOSAIC. >> SOME OF THEM HAVE. 
          >> SO I GUESS I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT PROCESS. 
          >> I MEAN WE ARE SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS IT IS ALL A LA CARTE AND THEN BEFORE YOU KNOW WHAT AISLE BE SPENDING A GOOD THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THIS IMPORTANT POSITION BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOU KNOW WHERE THOSE OF US ARE PROCESSING INSTEAD OF JUST YOU KNOW WHEN AND GET. 
          >> ANYWAYS. >> SO WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE ALL DOING WITH THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT DECISION. 
          AND WHAT WAS THE TERM WE USED? PERMANENT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? THAT IS WHAT WE WANT. 
          AT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE RIGHT TIME WITH THE JOB FORCE AND THAT WE CANNOT TRUST IN IT THAT IS THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO 
          FOR THE CITY. >> DID I HEAR SOMETHING? 
          >> JUST GIVING THEM BRIEF. >> TO THAT END YOU KNOW A PUBLIC BID PROCESS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SOLICIT YOU KNOW WE HAVE AN OPEN CALL IF YOU WILL THAT WOULD TAKE HOW MANY WEEKS? I MEAN THAT A SIX WEEKS PROBABLY? 
          JUST WITH THE BID PROCESS. >> AND THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL 
          SERVICE. >> RIGHT SO IT IS NOT REQUIRED. 
          >> I GET WHERE YOU WERE COMING FROM I MEAN, ARE THERE OTHER FIRMS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT? 
          >> I WOULD SAY THAT SGR USED TO BE THE ONE BACK IN THE DAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE YOU KNOW WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHEN THEY DID IT BUT YOU KNOW SGR WAS THE ONE IN THE DAY I KNOW THERE ARE SOME ISSUES HERE BUT. 
          >> I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT MAYBE SGR HAS LOST SOME OF THEIR TOP 
          TALENT? >> DENVER MCMAHON USED TO BE THE CITY MANAGER WORKING WITH THE PRESIDENT AND THE CEO BUT AS THE DIRECTION CHANGED HE LEFT HIS SON IN CHARGE AND THEN DECIDED I AM OUT. SO A COUPLE OTHERS THAT WERE 
          DOING THE SEARCHES. >> WE USED THEM FOR THE WORK FORCE FOR DALLAS COUNTY WORKFORCE AND THEN WE HAD 
          ANOTHER FIRM SO PERFORMING. >> WHAT ABOUT THE NEW HIRE? 
          >> RON'S WIFE HAS A SEARCH WARRANT. 
          >> I REACHED OUT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER DONE ANY MUNICIPAL WORK I ASKED THEM TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL AND THEN SEE 
          ABOUT THE INFORMATION. >> I MEAN WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO AND SAY TO MORE FIRMS THEY GET TO LEAD OR SOMEBODY ELSE AND JUST EXPAND THE SCOPE OF WHO WE ARE INTERVIEWING BUT THE LAST THING THEY WANT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO FEEL IS PAINTED INTO A CORNER AND THERE IS ONLY ONE CLEAR WINNER, RIGHT? IF THERE IS OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS I WOULD SAY. 
          >> IF WE HAD MORE EYEWEAR TO BECAUSE I HAVE USED THE ANALOGY BEFORE. YOU KNOW LIKE THAT IS WHAT YOU GAVE ME AND I DON'T WANT TO GET A CITY MANAGER WERE YOU KNOW THERE ARE FOUR ORANGES THAT SHOW UP WHEN ONE ORANGE WAS GIVEN TO ME. SO I WANT TO ENSURE THE PROCESS IS A VERY TRANSPARENT AND CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING. 
          >> I DO NOT WANT TO RUSH INTO IT BUT THE POINT WE ALREADY HAVE A PRESS RELIEF -- PRESS RELEASE GOING UP LIKE WE'RE MOVING GET 
          OUT ON THIS LIKE. >> BRING A NORMAL PERSON AND INTERVIEW HIM STILL I AM GOOD WITH THAT I MEAN THESE THREE 
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HERE. LIKE I SAID IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME USING SGR, JUST READ THE PACKETS OF THESE TWO AND WHAT THEY OFFER THEY ALL PRETTY MUCH OFFER A LITTLE BIT SOMETHING DIFFERENT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLIER. 
          I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT THAT WE TAKE THAT A LA CARTE ESPECIALLY WITH THE SURVEY, THEY MEET AND GREETS, WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO DO. TRAVEL. 
          >> I'M OPEN IF YOU THINK WE NEED TO DROP ON AND GET THE MOVEMENT WE CAN DO THAT BUT OTHERWISE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. IF IT IS THREE, IF IT IS FOR, I 
          DO NOT CARE. >> LET'S SEE IF WE CAN ADD AT 
          LEAST ONE MORE FIRM. >> YOU KNOW WHO WOULD BE BEST QUALIFIED. IF YOU CAN WORK WITH ALL FOUR OF THOSE FIRMS ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE LEADING TO A CITY COUNCIL THAT IS NO LESS THAN FIVE DAYS AWAY BECAUSE WHILE THEY CAN HELP COORDINATE OUR SCHEDULE AND WE WILL GO WITH 
          THAT. >> MONDAY OR TUESDAY IS TENTATIVELY THEY SCHEDULED DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HERE. 
          SO THOSE THAT KIND OF LACK IS CRAZY AT THE MOMENT BUT WOULD GIVE THEM A PROPOSAL AND SENT OUT AND THEN WILL GET THE CALENDAR FOR THE MEETING SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT FOR A DAY THAT EVERYBODY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR A TEAM'S CALL AND THEN GO FROM 
          THERE. >> ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT PLAN OF ACTION? ALL RIGHT. 
          [4. Discuss Consent Agenda Items for May 19, 2026, City Council Meeting]
          WITH THAT. >> WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE TO OUR 
          FINAL AGENDA ITEM. >> WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR DISCUSSING MAY 19TH 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR ANY ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO PULL OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON AND THEY 
          CONSENTED -- CONSENT AGENDA. >> MIGHT BE WORTH A PUBLIC HEARING OR REVIEW ON THE PUBLIC ORDINANCES SPECIFICALLY. 
          >> OR YOU LOOKING FOR A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THAT? 
          >> JUST A SHORT REVIEW OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, THINK. 
          >> OKAY. >> ANY OTHERS, COUNCIL? 
          >> SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED. 
          TOMORROW'S MEETING WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT -- CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TO PULL A PRESENTATION OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE. TONIGHT IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THOSE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WE WANT, THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT CAN BE ANSWERED TODAY FOR TOMORROW'S 
          MEETING. >> IS FIVE A PART OF THAT? 
          >> THAT WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. 
          >> ANYTHING THAT STARTS WITH A NUMBER 4. 
          AND THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM PULLING ANY OF THEM TOMORROW. JUST SO THEY HAVE TIME TO PREPARE A PRESENTATION IF POSSIBLE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? EVERYBODY GO TO GOING
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