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>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MONDAY JUNE 15TH.
[2. Citizens’ Input]
THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A QUORUM. ITEM TWO, COMMENTS WILL BE TAKING BY THE AUDIENCE. I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM FROM DAVE HULL. ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAKING GRAB A SHEET FROM OUT IN THE HALLWAY.YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> I REVIEWED THE PAQUETTE INFORMATION FOR THE ENGINEERING WORK CONSTRUCTION WORK CONTRACTS AND PAYMENT FOR THE PHASE THREE SECTION OF MILLER ROAD ABRIDGE PROJECT. THAT INFORMATION APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN SO SANITIZED BY THE LAWYER AND CITY ATTORNEY THAT IT NO LONGER PROVIDES THE INFORMATION AND TRANSPARENCY THE RESIDENTS DESERVE AND NEED. BY UNDER STATING THE PROBLEM WE ARE LESS LIKELY TO LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES.
THUS MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE SEEM TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER.
HERE IS MY FILE GOING BACK SEVERAL YEARS ON THE PHASE THREE PROBLEM AND LACK OF DISCLOSURE. YES, OLD SCHOOL HARD COPY.
YOU HAVE NOT LISTENED IN THE PAST.
THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD LISTEN NOW.
50 YEAR AGO I RECEIVED AN M.B.A. FROM ONE OF THE TOP PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTRY. DURING MY LAST QUARTER I REALIZED ALL THE BEST OFFERS WERE FROM THE BIG EIGHT ACCOUNTING FIRMS. I SIGNED UP FOR 23 HOURS OF GRADUATE ACCOUNTING CLASSES DURING MY LAST QUARTER ATTENDING THE PARTY SCHOOL OF THE WORLD. PUT A SLIGHT CRIMP ON MY SOCIAL CALENDAR BUT I GRADUATED WITH THE HIGHEST OR SECOND HIGHEST OF ALL THE M.B.AFTER THE STUDENT. I TOOK THE C.P.A. EXAM AND PASSED ALL FIVE PARTS IN ONE SETTING.
UWLANDED A JOB IN WINSTON-SALEM. I PASSED ALL FOUR PARTS IN ONE SETTING. BACK TO MY NEW FIRST JOB, TWO OFFICES DOWN WAS A HARVARD M.B.A. AND ACROSS THE HALL M.B.A. FROM M.I.T. NEXT FROM L.S.U. RUMORED TO BE THE BEST M.B.A. GRADUATE FROM L.S.U.
MY NEW EMPLOYEE HAS A REPUTATION OF HIRING THE BEST.
TO ROUND OUT MY FIRST JOB, MY SU SUPERVISOR CAME FROM THE AIR FORCE.
THIS IS WHEN THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT KNEW THE BUILD PLANES. BEFORE THE TOP GUN MOVIE CAME OUT SO I LEARNED FROM A SUPERVISOR WHO WAS AN AN INSTRUCTOR IN THE AIR FORCE OF THE EQUIVALENT TOP AGAIN PROGRAM. HE WOULD HAVE FLOWN OVER THE TOP VIETNAM WITH MAVERICK'S DAD. WINNING NATIONAL AWARDS FOR BEST FINANCIAL ELLO SURE. OUR GOAL SHOULD BE DO NOT HIDE MISTAKE OR BEAT UP ON THOSE WHO SCREW UP BUT RECOGNIZE MISTAKES AND LEARN FROM THEM SEW O WE DO REPEAT THEM.
[3.A. Receive a presentation regarding Scenic Drive parking concerns. ]
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE? I SEE NONE.ITEM 3-A. REGARDING SCENIC DRIVE PARKING CONCERNS. MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE HERE. GOOD EVIVEENING.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. SO TONIGHT MAYOR AND COUNCIL WE -- GARY AND I WANTED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION, PROVIDING AN UPDATE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ENGINEERING WITH REGARD TO COMPLAINTS IN RELATION TO PARKING ON SCENIC DRIVE.
THIS PRESENTATION WILL EXPLAIN THE ACTIONS TAKEN AFTER WE RECEIVED THE PAQUETTE WITH THE PHOTOS YOU SEECKET WITH THE PHOTOS YOU SEE HERE. WE WILL SHOW MORE PHOTOS LATER.
THE AFTER-HOURS, THE VEHICLES THAT ARE LINE WILLING THE CURVE, BLOCKING SAFE ACCESS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALSO ON THE EASTSIDE OF THE STREET AS WELL.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACK GROUND INFO.
WE RECEIVED THIS PARKING COMPLAINT, MARCH 23RD.
MARCH 24TH OFFICERS AND TRAFFIC UNIT MONITORED THE AREA.
AND QUICKLY NOTICED DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS BETWEEN 6:00 AND
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6:00 P.M., THERE WITHIN THE ANY VIOLATOR SO WE ASSIGNED TO THE NIGHT SHIFT PATROL DIVISION ON APRIL 15TH AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY -- IN FACT IMMEDIATELY, FIRST TIME THEY WENT OUT SAW VIOLATOR. THEY STICKERED TWELVE VEHICLES WITHIN THE FIRST DAY OR TWO. AND THAT PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED THE ISSUE. WHAT WASN'T ADDRESSED IF THE NEXT PART WHICH IS HOW DO WE SUSTAIN THAT? SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO GARY TO TALK A BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS.>> NEVER FELT SO SAFE DOING A PRESENTATION.
[LAUGHTER] THIS PART ALLOWS SEVERAL AREAS FOR QUESTIONS. PLEASE STOP ME AS WE GO ON THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION. AFTER THE FIELD OBSERVATION WAS TO PERFORM A SIGHT DISTANCE STUDY.
WHETHER PARKED VEHICLES ENCROACHED INTO THE SIGHT DISTANCE NEEDED TO REQUIRE THE 130 FOOT BRAKING DISTANCE.
POLICE TRACK THE DIVISION COMPLETED A FIELD ANALYSIS OF THE STUDY AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT ENGINEERING AND P.D., THAT PARKED VEHICLES WERE REDUCING THE AVAILABILITY SIGHT DISTANCE BELOW THE DISTANCE NECESSARY FOR SAVE DRIVER REACTION AND BRAKING JUNE WE INSTALLED A NO PARKING SIGNS AT THE LOCATION.
NEXT SIDE IS MORE CLEAR ON THE LOCATIONS.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE FIRST SIGN.
THIS SIGN, NO PARKING. ON SCENIC.
THESE TWO SIGNS WERE PLACED IN THIS SECTION.
NO PARKING BETWEEN SIGNS. THIS LOCATION, AT CHIMNEYWOOD AND SCENIC. THIS IS HOW IT WAS LACED AND THIS LOCATION HERE IS PROPOSED, SI SITE LOCATION WILL BE DISCUSSED FURTHER IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO THE METHODOLOGY HERE IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PARK LEG LEGALS ENCROACHED IN THE BRAKING AND REACTION DISTANCE. CURB LINE AND PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION AND THAT ANAM NAIL SIS WAS DONE -- ANALYSIS WAS DONE. SO.
THIS STARTING OFF SCENIC IS A COLLECTOR ROAD PROFILE, DESIGNED AT 40 FEET WHICH PROVIDE SPACE FOR ON-STREET PARKING AND THIS ROAD HERE. IS 42 FEET.
ACROSS. SO EXCEED THE COLLECTOR WIDTH.
S P.D. PERFORMED THE SIDE STUDY.
THEY PARKED. THE VEHICLE AT THE STOP BAR.
DRIVER EYE HEIGHT, NEED TO BE 3.5 FEET HIGH.
FROM THE ROAD SURFACE AND THE OBJECT TO BE OBSERVED HAS TO BE TWO FEET HIGH. WE USED A TRACK CONE FOR THAT.
PARKED LEFT. CARS WERE PARKING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM ON THE CORNER THERE AND THE DISTANCE WAS 50 FEET OF THE SITE. POSTED SIGN, NO PARKING SIGN.
MIDDLE LANE, SITE DISTANCE IS 133.9, WELL ABOVE THE 130 FOOT DISTANCE REQUIRED. NO, P
NO, PARKING SIGN DID JOB. >> CHIMNEYWOOD WEST, IS THERE
HOUSES PARKINGING? >> THAT WAY?
>> PARKING ON THAT NORTH SIDE OF CHIMNEYWOOD?
AT VERY CORNER? >> THERE IS NO PARKING WITHIN 30 FEET OF INTERSECTION. IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE OBSERVED, WE WILL RECONCILE IF NECESSARY.
>> THERE A HOUSE THERE. >> THAT HOUSE FACES WEST.
SOP THAT HOUSE IS ON THE SIDE OF
THE HOUSE. >> THEY CAN PARK ACROSS THE
>> SO THE SAME ANALYSIS IS APPLIED TO -- SAFETY A FACTOR.
THERE IS A PINCH POINT AROUND THE MEDIAN.
DISCUSSION ON THIS SECTION HERE. THIS LAST BULLET POINT.
WANT TO FLIP AHEAD ONE SLIDE TO SEE -- SEE THE VEHICLES OBSERVED AT THE LOCATION. SO THE ANALYSIS HERE FROM TARA LEGO GOING SOUTHBOUND, CURRENT SIGHT DISTANCES ARE '50S AND 60S. WHICH IS DEFINITELY NOT MEETING
THE CRITERIA. >> WE PROPOSE 50 FOOT SET BACK
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ON THE NO PARKING SIGN DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLES.THIS WAS AS OF FRIDAY NIGHT. I WENT BACK TO LOOK AT THIS AREA AROUND 7:30 AND YOU HAD ALL THE TRUCKS FINISHING THEIR WORK.
AND THEY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS CURVE BUT THEY ARE ON SATURDAY NIGHT THERE WAS A CAR PARKED WHERE THAT WHITE TRUCK.
THAT CREATES A VISIBILITY ISSUE TRYING TO TURN OUT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLETION. YOU ARE TO STICK YOUR NOSE OUT BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD. I THINK WE AGREE THAT PUSH THOSE VEHICLES BACK, WOULD CREATE A BETTER, SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR
MOTORISTS. >> THE REASON WE ASK FOR A PROPOSED SIGN THERE, IT REQUIRES A CITY COORDINATES TO GO PAST 30 FEET SO WE WANT TO PRESENT THE CITY ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE THAT ALLOWS US TO -- NO PARKING SIGNS, 50 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?
>>, NO THE-- THE ORDINANCE WOUL AUTHORIZE THE CITY ENGINEER, TO BE CRAFTED IN WAYS THAT AUTHORIZED THE CITY ENGINEER TO MOVE ANY SIGN BACK TO 50 FOOT BASED ON HIS EXPERTISE IF HE DETERMINES THERE WAS A SAFETY ISSUE.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL EACH AND EVERY TIME FOR SPECIFIC ROADWAYS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
>> GREAT POINT. >> I WILL ASSURE YOU WE WILL WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE AGREEMENT BEFORE WE
DECIDE. >> CERTAINLY, YOU MAY GET TO THIS BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE A RESULT OF ALL THE OCCUPANTS OF TARA LAGO APARTMENTS. WE HAD A CONVERSATION WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT UTILIZING THE PART SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
>> THE, PARKING REQUIRES REGISTRATION.
HAVE A STICKER. YOU DON'T HAVE A STICKER YOU GET TOWED. AND THE TRUCKS THAT WE -- THIS -- THE OTHER NOTE IS THERE A MINIMAL VISIBLE PARKING.
NO REQUIREMENTS ON THE TIME I BELIEVE ON THAT PARKING.
SO STAYED FULL. PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE DON'T
HAVE A VE-- >> SOUND LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT WASN'T DEVELOPED WITH ENOUGH PARKING IN MIND SPECIALLY IS WHAT HAPPENED OR ENOUGH PARKING FOR LARGER VEHICLES.
>> PERHAPS PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE PARKING GARAGE EITHER BECAUSE A FEW YEAR AGO, THE PEOPLE WANTED TO PARK IN FRONT OF THE YOOURT UNITS INSTEAD OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
THAT ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE MANAGEMENT AT TARA LEG GO.
>> -- TARAING THE GO. >> YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE
PARKING GARAGE. >> THEY FORCED THEM OUT ONTO THE PUBLIC ROADWAY. THE SLIDE SHOWS THE SLIDES.
ERECTED, LOCATIONS ARE -- >> YES IN THE LEFT WILL BE THE FIRE FAR NORTH SIDE. SOUTH SIDE TRAFFIC OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE -- NEXT SLIDE -- FROM AN ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, WHEN THE TRAFFIC UNIT WENT OUT THERE BEFORE ANY SIGNS WERE INSTALLED THEY SAW THE VIOLATOR ARE ALMOST ENTIRELY AFTER 6:00 P.M.
THEY STICKERED TWELVE VEHICLES WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
THEY GOT THE MESSAGE. WE GO WE GOT 100% COMPLIANCE AFTER THAT.
>> I THINK THE ORDINANCE WILL EVEN ASSIGN -- A SIGN WILL ADDRESS THAT BUT THE ORDINANCE WILL MAKE IT SAFER.
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>> THE QUESTION IS NOW WHERE TO GO?
YOU GOT PARK SOMEWHERE. >> YEAH.
>> SOMEWHERE. >> MAY JUST BE PARKING FURTHER AWAY. AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT UP AGAINST
THE CORNER. >> FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMEONE GOING INTO THAT CIRCLE BACK THERE.
AND THERE IS LIKE A BIG CURVE, NO HOUSES RIGHT THERE AND ALWAYS PEOPLE PARKING THERE AND THEN WE COULD GET -- THOSE CARS STILL
RIGHT THERE. NO HOUSES AND STUFF.
>> SOUTHWEST CORNER. >> PARK RIGHT HERE.
>> GOT YOU. >> I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT.
>> I WILL TELL YOU EVEN ON A PINCH POINT GOING INTO THE COVE, THEY ARE PARKING UP AGAINST THE NEW SCIENCE.
BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING IN FRONT OF THE SIGNS.
THEY KNOW THAT -- >> THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING
>> THERE ARE NO FINANCIAL IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THE AGENDA ITEM.
THIS IS JUST INFORMATION PURPOSES AT THE TIME.
HOWEVER, THERE WILL REQUIRE FUTURE COUNCIL ACTION TO ADOPT A NEW ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THE PARK.
ANY QUESTIONS. >> I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS THE CITY ENGINEER TO DEFINE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN 350 FEET. THEY MAKE -- 350 FEET -- WITHIN 50 FEET, THAT MAKES SENSE. THERE ARE SO MANY TRUCKS THAT LINE THE SIGHT. THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE COMMUNICATE OUT WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND COMMUNICATE TO RESIDENTS THIS WILL GO INTO EFFECT TO FURTHER HELP THE EFFORTS.
WE KNOW THAT IS WHERE THE VEHICLES ARE COMING FROM.
COMING FROM THE APARTMENTS AND SO IF THERE WERE -- THERE IS A MESSAGE BOARD OR DIGITAL BULLETIN BOARD OR THEY CAN -- MANAGEMENT CAN SEND OUT AN E-MAIL, THAT WOULD HELP, LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY. PLEASE USE THE FAR AVERAGE IF YOU CAN. -- PLEASE USE THE GARAGE IF YOU CAN.
. /* JOE ONE THING I NOTICE JUST THIS
>> ONE THING I NOTICED A LOT OF THE BOX TRUCKS, PEST CONTROL TYPE TRUCKS WITH THE BIG CAB ON THE BACK.
FROM WHAT I SAW THIS WEEKEND, THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE ON THAT CURVE GOING BACK TO 66TH. THEY DON'T WANT TO PARK THAT FAR BACK SO THEY GET AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. THERE IS PROBABLY ENOUGH ROOM ON THIS CURVE. THEY JUST DON'T WANT IN PARK
THAT FAR AWAY. >> I WAS ASK THE COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE GOT AN E-MAIL, PLEASE GO BACK TO RESIDENTS AND FOLLOW UP AND LET THEM THOUGH OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION AND PLAN OF ATTACK ON
COMMENTS? >> I JUST SAID I CONCUR WITH THE
ORDINANT. >> THE MAYOR WAS SAYING GO BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. THEY DO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACES PEOPLE CAN PARK WHEN THEY HAVE -- IF THEY ARE CHARGING THEM MONEY, DON'T WANT TO PAY, WHATEVER THE ISSUE SEARCHING I WOULD LIKE TO BE HAVE A CONVERSATION TO SEE IF WE CAN GET TELL BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG IN THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND THAT MAY HELP ON CRIME -- CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY.
>> I SEEM AM -- I AM SURE IT IS MORE CONVENIENT TO PARK IN THE VISITOR SPACES IN THE NORTH. EASIER HAVING TO ESCAPE AND TO GOING THROUGH THE PARK,ING GARAGE BUT IF THEY CAN RES SERVE FOR VISITOR STATIONS AND HAVE VISITOR TAGS.
I MEAN I CERTAINLY CAN'T TELL THEM HOW TO DO THEIR BUSINESS.
IF THEY USE THE SPACE MORE EFFICIENTLY, THEY ARE BETTER
OFF. >> I THINK THE STREETS ARE PUBLIC. I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT A SIGN
THAT SAYS. >> NO, I AM TALKING ABOUT THERE IS A PARKING LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
>> TERRA LAGO, THAT NEXT TO THE GRASS...
>> THEY ARE SO LIMITED. THEY CAN TRY TO INVEST A BIT
IT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM. IT IS OUR PROBLEM.
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WAS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO DISALLOWING AND PASSING AN ORDINANCE SIMILAR TO WHERE WE GOT A LARGE SECTION OF THE STREET WHERE PARKING IS DISALLOWED?>> I HAVE THEM REVIEW THAT SECTION.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET US IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE MAKING IT REALLY HARD ON PEOPLE WITH LIVE THERE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE TO CHRIS'S POINT, THIS HAS BEING THE CITY'S PROBLEM. WE HAVE BECOME OUR OWN PARKING
LOT THERE ALONG SCENIC DRIVE. >> PLEASE DON'T FORGET, THEY
WILL GO SOMEWHERE. >> THAT IS THE OTHER THING.
>> WE CAN'T COMPEL TERRA LAGO TO PUT A PARKING LOT HOSPITAL
PROPERTY EITHER. >> MY CONCERN IS THEY END UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. WHERE THEY CAN STILL LEGALLY
PARK. >> NOBODY WANTS THEM PARKING IN
FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. >> OK, SCRATCH THAT.
>> AND COUNCIL, IF I MAY CLARIFY, IT COULD HAVE EXCHANGED HANDS BUT IT IS TIED TO ONE SINGLE DEVELOPMENT.
>> OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OPPOSITION TO MOVING FORWARD WITH AN ORDINANCE LIKE THAT AT A FUTURE MEETING? .
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR JUST HANGING OUT
[3.B. Receive a presentation regarding proposed amendments to the Short-Term Rental Ordinance. ]
ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS ITEM 3 B RECEIVE A PRESENTATION, SHORT TERM RAN TALL -- RENTAL
THIS EVENING WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE AND SO WE WILL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THIS AND ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND ASK QUESTIONS.
SEEK DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL.
IN APRIL 2005, STILL APPROVED. S.T.R. ED OR ORDINANCE.
WHEN WE SPOKE TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN JANUARY THEY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO ADDITIONAL DENSITY REGULATIONS ON GOING CONCERNS RELATED TO PARKING, NOISE, OVERCROWDING AND OTHER CONCERNS OF THAT NATURE. AND ON MAY 5TH, 2026 WE TOOK THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COUNCIL, THAT AT COUNCIL DECIDED TO DELAY AND GIVE EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THIS AT THE DISCUSSION. SOME OF THE CHANGES WAS TO RECEIVE APPLICATIONS ON FIRST COMING FIRST SERVE BASIS SO WE CAN BE EQUITABLE AND FAIR WITH EVERYONE.
IMPLEMENT A 1,000 FOOT SEPARATION LIMIT BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS DUPLEXES TOWNHOMES AND FOUR-PLEXES.
SOME OF THE CAVEATS WERE NO MORE THAN TWO UNITS IN ONE APARTMENT BUILDING AND THE FORM BASED BAY SIDE SPECIAL DISTRICT WAS EXEMPTION. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS PROPOSED WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOCAL POINT.
OF CONTACT OF PROVIDING THEIR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, BE AVAILABLE 24/7 WHEN THE HOME WAS OCCUPIED OR RENTED OUT.
THE BE ON SITE WITHIN ONE HOUR AND THEN THEY HAD TO ACCEPT CITY ISSUED IS CITATION. CURRENT ORDINANCES MAY -- WANTED TO MAKE IT MANDATORY. AND TIMELY WOULD REQUIRE THE S.T.R. OPERATOR TO POST A SIGN SO THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD KNOW WHO TO CONTACT IF THERE WAS ANY CONCERNS, ANY POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS, ALONG WITH THEIR Q.R. CODE, THE CITY'S S.T.R. ED OR HAPPENS IN AND OTHER HELPFUL INFORMATION SO THE COMMUNITY COULD BE AWARE OF HOW TO REPORT CONCERNS.
AND SO AT THIS TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION AND RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THIS GOVERNING BODY TO SEE HOW YOU
WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED. >> I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
SOMEONE ON COUNCIL WILL HELP ME REFRESH MY MEMORY.
WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE AND WE HAD THE COUPLE CONTAINMENT -- EXPRESS CONCERNS THEY WERE SUSPECT T.R. OWNERS -- S.T.R. OWNERS BUT ALSO LIVED ON THE PROPERTY, WAS THERE CONCERN
ABOUT THE SIGNAGE? >> THERE WAS.
WE WERE GOING TO PUT AN AMENDMENT TO IT.
AND IT WAS GOING TO BE HE LIVED IN THE DWELLING WITH, ON SITES,
OWNER-OCCUPIED. >> THAT WHAT I THOUGHT.
>> FROMLE SIGNAGE REQUIREMENT SPECIFICALLY?
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>> RIGHT, THEY WERE THINKING TO, PROVIDE A SAFETY RELATED TO THAT. THE INTENT AND SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO BASIC PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
A FAIR ASSUMPTION? >> YES, SIR.
>> WELL READING THROUGH IT AND HELP ME OUT, I MEAN ARE THERE RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER -- LOOKING FOR WHERE IS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE OWNER AND DUE DILIGENCE TO ENSURE YOU DON'T HAVE -- WHETHER THESE ARE V.V.R.
V.V.R.-- I DIDN'T SEE IT, IF I'M MISSING.
BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE? I'M LOOKING TO MAKE SURE.
>> GREAT QUESTION. SO YES, ALL OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WAS STRICTLY JUST ENHANCE WITH THE THREE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT. S.
WHAT WE PASSED IT FOR WAS PRETTY ROBUST AND LIMITS THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS, THE NUMBER OVER BEDS. VEHICLES.
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NOISE ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
>> TAKE IT IS A STEP FURTHER. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I HAVE ONE IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH HAD MORE POLICE CALLS THAN ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE CITY. NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, I WATCHED A HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBOR'S RENT -- JUST KICK INTO A VERY, VERY NICE PLACE. AND SO THAT BEING SAID, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES, YOU KNOW? SO THEY VIOLATE THE ORDINANCE AND OFFICERS COP OUT AND GIVE TICKETS.
-- COME OUT AND GIVE TICKETS. AT WHAT POINT DO WE PULL BACK THE PERMIT? IS THERE A PROVISION IN THERE OR SHOW UP AND WE HAVE GUN FIRE? I MEAN THAT IS AN AUTOMATIC REVOKED. .
>> YES, GREAT QUESTION. SO THERE A REVOCATION PROCESS IF THEY RECEIVE MORE THAN TWO CITATIONS FOR VIOLATIONS IN THE PREVIOUS TWELVE MONTHS, THEN WE CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY REVOKE
THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT. >> FOR HOW LONG?
>> FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR I BELIEVE. NOW THEY CAN APPEAL THAT PROCESS. AND SO THEY GET DUE PROCESS BUT IF THEY ARE YOU KNOW, VIOLATORS THEN WE HAVE THAT BUILT INTO IT.
>> YES, SIR. >> THEY CAN ACCEPT IT TOO AND DECIDE I WANT TO BE A LONG-TERM RENTAL NOW.
>> CORRECT. >> SO THEY AN LONG-TERM RENTAL -- SHORT TERM IS ANYTHING LESS THAN 30 DAYS SO BY DEFINITION THEY CAN PUT IT ON AIRBNB OR VRBO IF REPRESENT THE PROPERTY REQUIRED TO BE FOR 30 DAYS TO OR MORE THEN IT BECOMES A LONG-TERM RENTAL BUT NOT LONG-TERM LEASES WHERE YOU LEASE IT FOR A YEAR.
THERE IS STILL A 30 DAY RENTAL TIME FRAME.
>> IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ADD SOMETHING IF THEREFORE A PRIOR
HISTORY? >> WE TALKED TO VICTORIA ABOUT THAT AND A VICED THAT BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY -- ADVISED BECAUSE THAT IS THE STATE'S DEFINITION OF RENTALS, ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT WE WERE TO ADD TO 30-PLUS DAY RENTAL, WOULD APPLY TO ALL RENTALS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHETHER THAT IS A YEAR
OR 30 DAYS. >> LAST QUESTION, I MEAN SOME SITUATIONS LIKE A DEAD BODY AND GUY LIVING -- OR GUN FIRE AT A HOUSE, SEEMS THERE SHOULD BE IF IT RISES TO THAT LEVEL, PASS GO, GET -- THAT IS REVOCATION. IF IT IS PROVED BY THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION. SEEMS TO ME THAT ASKING TOO MUCH? I MEAN THERE ARE SOME THING.
I MEAN LOOK AT THE ONE WITH GUNSHOT.
IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD SOMEBODY DIDN'T DIE IN ONE OF THE HOUSES. AND SO IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO MANAGE YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL BETTER THAN THAT, WHETHER IT IS YOU OR COMPANY, THEN I THINK YOU LOST YOUR RIGHT TO DO THAT.
>> SO YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PENALTY BASED ON SEVERITY OF THE
>> CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, RIGHT? >> I MEAN THE POLICE DOES THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION. I THINK -- WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO -- I THINK I WILL JUST -- IT IS CLEAR, THE OFFICER REPORT SAYS THERE WAS GUN FIRE. THERE IS HOLES IN PEOPLE'S
HOUSES. >> SO I THINK YOU MIGHT GET AN ISSUE AND VICTORIA, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, CRIMINAL, CIVIL
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ACTION AND CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT THAT TYPE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WHETHER IT IS PEOPLE WHO ARE DEAD OR SHOT OR ANYTHING ELSE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HOW -- I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU QUALIFY THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY TO ALLOW STAFFTHAT DISCRETION. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMPLAI COMPLAINTING CON -- CONFLATING IT. NOT SAYING WE WANT TO HOLD SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE. SAYING THAT THE ACTIONS CLEARLY IMPACT THE SAFETY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE COMMUNITY.
ENGAGE IN ACTIVITY THAT IMPACTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AT THAT POINT YOU -- I WOULD ASK TO HAVE THE ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKE -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AND CAN'T DO IT, THEN YOU CAN'T DO IT. I HAVE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBOR M HOOD.
I HAVE LIVED THERE. YOU SHOULD LOOK OUT, THERE IS 15
CAR. >> WE ALREADY HAVE A PROVISION THAT REQUIRES THEM TO ABIDE. IF IT IS A VIOLATION OF ORDINANCES TO DISCHARGE A FIREARM, THEN THEY ALREADY HAVE VIOLATED THAT. THAT IS ONE STRIKE.
WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS, CAN YOU MAKE IT JUST AN ONLY ONE STRIKE
FOR CERTAIN VIOLATIONS? >> I THINK CHIEF HAS SOME INPUT HE CAN PROVIDE RELATED TO THIS, TOO.
>> YEAH, THANK YOU. JUST TO I THINK PARTIALLY ADDRESSES WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.
SO WE DID WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGAN ESTABLISHED A POLICY WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO IN COLLABORATION WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
WHERE IF WE HAVE CRIMINAL ACTS OR EVEN THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT, CIVIL VIOLATIONS THAT MEET A CERTAIN THRESHOLDING THEN WE WORK THROUGH THE NEVER AGAINSTS DIVISION AND HAVE THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT LETTER THAT IS SENT DIRECTLY TO THE LANDLORD. SO WE ADDRESS WHATEVER IS OCCURRING AT THE SITE, WHETHER IT IS MAKING AN ARREST OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THE SWAT SERVE A WARRANT FOR NARCOTICS OR HAVE A SHOOTING AND HAVE A SERIES OF OTHER CALL, RISES TO A CERTAIN THRESHOLD WE DRAFT THE LETTER AND GOES TO THE LANDLORD. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT DOES IS PUT THEM ON NOTICE AND LETS THEM KNOW JUST SO
>> KNOW, YOU KNOW INCOME ALL THE -- JUST SOIO NOW IT IS OCCURRING WITH YOUR TENANT. SIGN AN AGREEMENT NOT TO DO THIS STUFF. IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS YOUR CITY, THE CITY CAN DEEM YOUR PROPERTY A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND YOU LOSE YOUR LICENSE F FOR A YEAR. WE ASK THEM TO COME IN AND HAVE A MEETING AND ETCH TIME WE USED THAT, I WANT TO SAY ALMOST EVERY SINGLE TIME WE HAVE SEVERAL IN PROGRESS NOW PTHEY EITHER HAVE ARREST OUR WAY OUT OF IT.N - OR THEY HAVE JUST UP AND MOVED.
>> THAT WOULD BE MORE TO LONG-TERM RENTAL.
T THAT IS A LONG DRAWN DRAWN OUT CIVIL PROCESS. WE USE FOR SHORT TELL.
>> THE LANDLORDS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THEIR OWN TENANTS OUT SOMETIMES WITHIN A WEEK JUST BEING PUT ON NOTICE.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE THE LANDLORDS ARE LIKE, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW. I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS HAPPENING. I WILL ADDRESS MY TENANTS.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, ONE INCIDENT, IT ISN'T WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE USED FOR ONE INCIDENT.
IT IS A SERIESES OF INCIDENTS. WHAT I CALL A RESOURCE DRAIN.
BECOMES A DRAIN ON OUR RESOURCES WHERE WE ARE CONSTANTLY GOING B.
THAT IS WHEN WE UTILIZE THE LETTER.
>> SOME KIDS AND RENTED THE PLACE, NOT COME BACK THERE BUT JUST SOMEHOW TO COMMUNICATE. SOMEBODY COULD HAVE EASILY DIED.
WE HAVE A WHOLE SET OF LAWS BUT IT IS TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SEEING IT HAPPEN IS VERY FRUSTRATING. THEY ARE GONE AND IT'S A DIFFERENT GROUP EVERY WEEKEND. WHEN -- SO MAY JUST BE
FRUSTRATION. >> FOR COUNCIL TO PASS THE THING, VICTORIA, CAN WE ENACT A 30 DAY SUSPENSION OF THE LICENSE
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UNTIL THE POLICE DO THEIR INVESTIGATION AND REVIEW OF WHAT EVER THE VIOLATION WE ARE LOOKING AT OR WHATEVER.>> POSSIBLY. WHETHER WE CAN KEEP THEM OUT THERE WHILE WE ARE DOING THE POCESS.
>> ACTION THAT ENDANGERS THE COMMUNITY...
YEAH, 30 DAY PENALTY, PUTS A LITTLE MORE ONUS ON THIS --
>> WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE CHIEF.
30 DAYS ENOUGH TO DO AN INVESTIGATION?
>> I THINK SO. >> HOW -- WHAT IS THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HOW DO WE SEND CODE ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE.
MAKE SURE THERE IS NO OCCUPANT OR CHECK THE WEBSITE TO ENSURE THAT THE LISTING HAS BEEN PULLED.
WHAT IS THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.
>> WE SCRUB THE INTERNET SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT ADVERTISING. THEY GET A CITATION AND WE START
BUILDING THAT CASE. >> WE WILL QUITE FRANKLY START WITH LOOKING AT OUR PROGRAMS TO DETERMINE WHAT IS HAPPENING.
COMPLAINT DRIVEN, TOO. SO WE WILL TRY TO RECONNECT.
WE ALSO HAVE REGISTRATION AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
WE HAVE BECOME BETTER AT TRACKING OUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
>> THEY COORDINATE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THERE IS THAT COLLABORATION. BUT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, PERHAPS AMENDMENT OR FUTURE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCES WE WILL REGROUP AND GET TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE OUR S.O.P.'S ARE COORDINATED.
>> HAD THAT KIND OF ACT, WOULDN'T WE HAVE NOTIFIED IN THE OWNER? YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND THIS.
FOR 30 DAY. >> COOPERATE WITH THEM IN THEIR
>> THEY DIDN'T CARE -- THEY KEPT GETTING REVOKED AND KEPT ON.
>> COULD YOU HAVE LANGUAGE IN THERE? ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF YOUR PERMIT?
>> BECAUSE THEN YOU BECOME A REPEAT OFFEND SORE T-- OFFENDER AND THAT COMES INTO PLAY. WE WILL TAKE A FINE WHICH IS
WE WILL SEE WHO WINS THAT ONE. >> WE ENDED UP HAVING TO GO TO DISTRICT COURT TO SEEK AN INJUNCTION.
>> ARE WE PROVIDING THEN FOR THE OWN PREMISES?
FOR THE SIGNAGE? >> ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE HERE TONIGHT IS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PRESENT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING, IF YOU NOTICED IN THE PRESENTATION AND IN OUR STAFF REPORT WE DID TALK ABOUT, WE NEED TO ADDRESS OWNER OCCUPIED SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WHICH IS WHAT WE WILL INCLUDE. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEREFORE IS ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND WILL COME FORWARD IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WITH A MORE ROBUST ORDINANCE AFTER WE COORDINATE WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND WITH VICTORIA.
>> SIGNAGE -- >> NO THE PROVISIONS ARE NOT IN THERE. WE BUNDLE THOSE UP.
>> IT HAS NOT CHANGED FROM THE TIME PRESENTED BEFORE.
BECAUSE THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS -- WE UNDERSTOOD YOU WANT THEM
>> IT'S OK. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.
>> THEN ON THE -- WHAT IS IT, THE FEE FOR -- TO BECOME ONE WE
ADDED HOW MUCH? >> THE FEE FOR WHAT?
>> FOR BEING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL?
AND WE ARE WITHIN THE LAW ON WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO RECUPERATE OUR FUND AND OUR PENSI
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EXPENSES. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE MONEYOFF OF THESE THINGS. >> OFFSET THE COST ASSOCIATEED.
. >>> THAT SERVES AS A MUCH OF ENTRY AS IT DOES FOR COST OR RECONVENE.
I WILL SAY SPEAKING WITH THE S.T.R. OWNER ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT, THE HE WAS VERY PUT OUT BY THE FACT THAT THE CITY'S FEE IS SO HIGH. FIND THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN THINGS LIKE THE ELECTRIC BILL AND STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE TENANTS LEAVE IT ON, LEAVE THE AIR CONDITIONER ON LOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT. FROM THAT STANDPOINT I THINK IT IS WORKING. BECAUSE THAT IS THE INTENT, RIGHT? TO MAKE THAT DECISION POINT OF IS THIS A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR ME? OR NOT? TO ME, THATS AFTER THE GOAL ALL ALONG OF THE ORIGINAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE WE PUT IN PLACE. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PERFORMING BADLY IN THEIR HOUSES AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGING FOR PEOPLE TO USE THIS AS AN INVESTMENT VEHICLE.
THAT'S THE WHOLE ISSUE BEHIND THIS SITUATION.
IS AIRBNB AND V.R.B.O. STARTED AS WAY TO RENT YOUR HOUSE ON THE WEEKEND WHEN YOU ARE NOT HOME AND PEOPLE CAN LIVE THERE WHEN YOU ARE OFF ON VACATION. GREAT CONCEPT.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE BUT NOW IT TURNED INTO AN ENTIRE INVESTMENT SEEM FOR REAL ESTATE AND IT IS OUT OF HAND WHERE YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY HOTELS OPERATING IN THE NEIGHBOR MOOD THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE SHORT TERM ORDINANCE. INDIAN TRAIL WAS ONE OF THEM, SAYING THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. OUR NEIGHBOURHOODS HAVE BEEN STRICTEN WITH THIS BLIGHT. OF THE S.T.R.THAT'S HAVE COME IN. WITH AS MUCH LAKE SIDE LIVING AS WE HAVE, THOSE ARE THE TARGETED AREAS, TOO, WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN. THOSE ARE THE PLACES WITH POOLS.
HOMES WITH POOLS. >> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE GUNSHOT AND IF I'M IN MY HOUSE AND SUDDENLY THERE A HOLE IN THIS SIDE OF MY HOUSE, I WOULD THINK THERE'S SOME LIABILITY TO THE OWNER. AND DO WE REQUIRE INSURANCE? TO WE REVIEW THAT INSURANCE COVERAGE TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY SOUTHBOUND THERE TO -- THAT OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR INSURANCE ARE SUCH THAT NO MATTER WHAT DAMAGE IS DONE, WE HAVE PROTECTION.
>> I THINK WE DO -- I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS IN THE
MILLION DOLLARS PER OCCURRENCE. >> PART OF THE APPLICATION
PROCESS. >> THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
>> WHAT IS OUR GENERAL LIABILITY REQUIREMENT FOR SOMEONE DOING
WORK IN BUILDING. >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
WE TYPICALLY DON'T REQUIRE INSURANCE AT ALL FOR OUR
CONTRACTORS. >> BUT I GUESS FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, YES. BUT NOT IN GENERAL WITHIN THE
CITY OF -- >> IT IS GENERALLY --
>> I WOULD SUGGEST AS WE LOOK, MAYOR, FIRST OF ALL I THINK OUR FOCUS, OUR LENS IS TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT IS WHAT WE TRYING TO DO. SO THE EXTENT THAT WE LOOK AT INSURANCE WE MIGHT LOOK AT RAISING THAT.
MIGHT LOOK AT REQUIRING -- I KNOW THAT AS A LANDLORD, SOMEONE IS GOING TOPPING DO CONSTRUCTION IN YOUR BUILDING, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO GET GENERAL LIABILITY, JUST TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT THAT ARE NOT VALID CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE.
SO THAT IS JUST ANOTHER TOOL WE MIGHT USE TO LOOK AT OUR
INSURANCE LIMITS. >> TENANTS ARE THEY REQUIRED TO
WHEN -- THE PROBLEM IS, THAT I DISCOVERED IS WHEN YOU RENT, YOU DON'T EVEN REALLY HAVE TO GIVE VERY MUCH INFORMATION.
I THINK THE CONCEPT IS, IT'S SIMILAR TO AMAZON OR ANY OTHER SHOPPING -- BAD REVIEWS YOU ARE NOT WELCOME BACK BUT IF IT IS JUST ONE PERSON RENTING FOR ONE EVENT, ONE EVENT THEY DON'T CARE. THERE IS NO REPUTATION TO
PROTECT THERE. >> IS THERE A WAY TO FIND OUT HOW MANY RESIDENTS LIVE ON SITE THAT RENT.
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA BUT I CAN COLLECT IT FOR YOU.
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>> PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE --
>> OUR GENERAL LIABILITY REQUI
>> IS $1 MILLION. >> INCREASE THAT BARRIER OF
>> INCREASE THAT BARRIER OF ENTRY FOR>> IS $1 MILLION.
>> INCREASE THAT BARRIER OF ENTRY FOR FOLKS.
>> THE FEE, $2,000 IS ANNUAL? >> ANNUAL REGISTRATION FEE.
THAT WAS AT CONVERSATION AROUND THE 1,000 NOOTBAARIER.
IF COME IN AND WANT TO PURCHASE AT HOME, WITHIN THE 1,000 FOOT RADIUS. MIGHT SAY WAIT UNTIL THEPERMIT EXPIRES. THEY CAN JUST RENEW THEIR PERMIT
AND KEEP THAT RADIUS. >> SO 2000 A YEAR.
>> YEAH. >> WE CHARGE BASED ON OUR COST.
FORTUNATELY, COST THE CITY A LOT.
>> HOMEOWNERS CHARGE A FEE WITHIN THE PROPERTY BUT CHARGE A MASSIVE CLEANING FEE OR SOME OTHER KIND OF FEE.
SO THE COST TO RENT ONE OF THOSE PLACES CAN BE FIVE, $600 A NIGHT. IT'S RIDICULOUS.
IN MY OPINION. AS ONE WHO ENJOYS.
IT IS RIDICULOUS. THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON OCCUPANCY. VICTORIA, DIDN'T TAKE DOWN NOTE ON ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE BUT I KNOW I HEARD AN IMMEDIATE REVOCATION FOR WHAT I WILL CALL A DEADLY CONDUCT.
NOT IN THE PERSONAL CODE SENSE OF DEADLY CONDUCT BUT JUST
CONDUCT THAT IS EGREGIOUS. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CHECK ALL THE BOXES. THE CHANGE TO THE SIGN REQUIREMENT SO THAT IF IT IS OWNER OCCUPIED THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. THE INCREASE OF INSURANCE, COVERAGE TO $2 MILLION, PER OCCURRENCE, AND -- THE RATIONAL IS THERE ARE INCIDENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN, WHERE THERE'S BEEN DANGEROUS CONDUCT THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE AT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND TO THE POINT WHERE NEIGHBOURING HOMES HAVE BEEN IMPACTED. THROUGH GUN FIRE AND OTHER THING. I MEAN --
>> TO THE RESIDENTS, TOO, WE HAVE HAD SOME O.T.S.
>> WE HAVE HAD FIREWORKS. THEY CAN BE A FHAZARD.
>> THAT IS PRETTY BIG HIT. NOW THEY CAN,
>> HOW DO YOU WANT THAT TO CORD LATE WITH THE AUTOMATIC
REVOCATION? >> I THINK TO THE 30 DAYS IS
MUCH MORE REASONABLE. >> GOT TO WORK WITH THE POLICE.
AND COME UP WITH -- KEEP THIS MAP INTO THE FUTURE.
>> AND INTO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S CREDIT, THEY HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
>> EXACTLY. >> THEY ARE WORKING TO -- THEY ARE NOT WORKING WITH WHATEVER IS RENTING PROPERTY.
THEY ARE GOING -- THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE, TALK LIKE, WHEREBY THEY COME FROM SO -- INUNINVITED GUESTS.
>> IF YOU ARE GOOD LANDLORD, THEN THERE YOU HAVE CAMERAS AT THE HOME AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
KEEP AN EYE ON THINGS. >> WE ARE SEEING -- IF I HAVE IT
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RENTED THE NEXT NIGHT, YOU ARE TELLING ME, OR THE NEXT WEEK YOUARE TELLING ME -- >> AUTOMATIC REVOCATION, LET'S SAY THIS HAPPENS A ONE TIME, FOLLOW THE 30 DAYS SUSPENSION OF SECESSION. THEN AT THAT POINT, LET'S SAY IT HAPPENS A SECOND TIME, THEN THEY BECOME A REPEAT OFFENDER.
>> THE OWNER OF THAT HOUSE, WOULD GO AFTER THE PERSON THAT CALLS THE ISSUE AND TRIES TO GET THE LOSS OF INCOME FROM THEM.
>> NOT DEFENDING HIM. >> JUST LOOK AT THE -- WE ADDED UP WHAT IT COST FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO RESPONSE.
THAT ASTRONOMICAL I WOULD IMAGINE.
IT IS VERY COSTLY FOR US TO DEAL WITH.
NOT TO MENTION THE COST IN THERE.
>> POLICE ARE INVOLVED WE USED TO HAVE THE TRIGGER THING, RIGHT? AND THEN IT WOULD BREAKDOWN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, SO CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD SHOW UP. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULD SHOW UP. THE POLICE WOULD SHOW UP AND DO A COMPLETE REDO OF THE PROPERTY. AND ANY VIOLATIONS AT THAT TIME WOULD -- WHATEVER, WHICH MAY ADD OTHER TIME TO GET REPAIRED OR STRUCTURAL OR WHATEVER THE ISSUES ARE, DO WE HAVE THAT IN
PLACE NOW. >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
>> YEAH, I'VE SEEN THAT PROGRAM AND FLEW DOWN THE SERVICES.
PARKING VIOLATIONS. >> MIGHT NOT BE FORMALIZED RIGHT NOW BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM DO COORDINATE AND DO COME TOGETHER AND THEN -- AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IT WILL CREATE A FLOWCHART ON HOW THAT HAPPENS TOO.
>> YOU SHOULD, ONCE THEY ARE TRIGGERED, OVER THE DANGEROUS CONDUCT, IT WOULD TRIGGER THOTE REVIEW.
-- TRIGGER THAT TOTAL REVIEW. THAT WAY, WHATEVER IS DONE, NOT
LIKE IT IS JUST A STOP-GAP. >> OTHER THAN DISCHARGING THE FIREARM. WHAT ELSE? THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE ALL OF OUR REGULATIONS ARE DESIGNED TO SERVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE THERE. OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A DISTINCTION
WITH SHOOTING A GUN. >> I WOULD SAY SHOOTING A GUN VERSUS FIREWORKS. I WOULD SAY THE FEET BRAWL THAT BREAKS OUT AND BIG FIGHT OUT FRONT.
>> I WOULD SAY CONDUCT THAT -- CONDUCT THAT PUTS RESIDENTS AND WHATEVER, AT RISK OF BODILY INJURY, OR HARM OR WHATEVER.
SOMETHING THAT CAN BE -- WE CAN GRAB TO IT.
GRAB SOMETHING IN THAT AND MAKE IT STICK.
>> I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY BUT I PLAY ONE ON FACEBOOK.
>> THAT MEANS B-- YOU CAN ARGUE IF YOU WANTED TO.
YOU CAN ARGUING A PARKING VIOLATION CAN DO THAT.
BECAUSE IT CREATES A TRAFFIC HAZARD.
>> >> NO OTHER CITIES HAVE THIS.
WE WILL JUST HAVE TO CRAFT IT. LET ME THINK ABOUT IT.
>> WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF AMBIGUITY ON THIS.
>> WE DON'T WANT -- SEND A MESSAGE TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS, I
MEAN, IF I CAN ATTACH FINES -- >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T PUT THE ONES OUT THAT ARE SITTING IN THEIR HOME.
I'M SURE THERE IS UNDER FIVE OR LESS.
BUT I WANTED TO KNOW. I FEEL FOR THEM AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THEY DEPEND ON FOR EVIDENCE.
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>> YEAH, I'M TURNING THIS OVER IN MY HEAD.
I CAN'T THINK OF HOW TO WORD IT. >> I WILL SLEEP ON IT AND ATTACK
IT IN THE MORNING. >> EVEN YOU TALK CRIMINAL LEVELS, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, FELONIES.
BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT END UP BECOMING EASY TO PROSECUTE. THE SHOOTING THAT HAPPENED AT THE AIRBNB, NOBODY IS WILLING TO PRESS CHARGES SO WHAT DOES IT BECOME THEN. BECOMES DEADLY MISCHIEF.
THERE CHARGE OF A FIREARM, THAT IS CITY ORDINANCE.
THAT IS NOT REALLY PERSONAL CODE SO IT BECOMES DIFFICULT.
>> POINT WELL TAKEN. BUT I THINK NOT -- CONDUCT BY ITS NATURE, CREATES THE LIKELIHOOD OF -- SOMEBODY DOIN -- A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD SAY THAT CAUSES HARM.
DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THE ED DEADLY PART OF IT.
THAT THRESH HOLD GETS HIGH AT THAT POINT.
>> I MEAN I WOULD SAY AFTER BEHALF YOU DRAFT YOU COME BACK, WE HAVE TO ENACT THIS AND THE CHIEF ARE DOING THEIR THING, I WOULD WANT THEM TO CONTACT YOU TO SAY CHECK THIS BOX.
AND HAVE YOU CHECK THAT BOX AND WE WILL GO WITH IT FROM THERE.
>> MY CONCERN IS RIGHT NOW IS WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE SO AMBIGUOUS THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO COMBINE.
OR SAY THEY WERE TRYING TO ABIDE BY IT.
AND THEY WEREN'T AWARE -- THAT IS MY -- BUT I WILL, WORK ON IT.
>> ON THE APPLICATION IS WHEN YOU GO BACK YOUR HOUSE.
YOU GOT THE STUFF ON THERE AND THEY HAVE TO INITIAL THEY READ THIS CONDUCT, WILL DO THIS. THIS WILL DO THAT.
DO THINK HAVE THAT ON THERE? >> I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION. IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ADD.
NOT DIFFERENTI DIFF-- DIFFICULT. >> YOU HAVE TO SIGN OFF.
>> THEY CAN'T SAY I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS NOT UNACCEPTABLE BUT WE WOULD NEED TO VICTORIA, AND THE TEAM, NEED TO SIT AND WORKSHOP THIS A BIT AND FINE-TUNE IT AND MAKE SURE WE CONNECTING DOTS AND COME BACK FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
>> THANK YOU. >> AND IF I MAY, JUST ONE LAST THING. SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE THE EXEMPTION FOR OVERWHELM OWNER H OCCUPIED YOU WILL NEED TO DEFINE THAT.
VICTORIA? >> I MAY HAVE IT HERE.
>> OK, EXCELLENT. FAIR ENOUGH.
AND ANDREW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH I KNOW THIS IS A CHALLENGING TOPIC.
IN SOME WAYS WE ARE BUILDING THE PLANS, AND I APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK ON THIS. BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE WHEN WE ARE DONE. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
[3.C. Receive a presentation regarding Vapor Stores Ordinance ]
WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA AND GO TO ITEM 3-C.RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING VAPOR STORE ORDINANCES.
>> EXCELLENT. SO THIS EVENING WE WILL PROVIDE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE VAPOR STORE ORDINANCE.
WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE CURRENT REQUIREMENT SOME PEOPLE COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND REVOCATION PERMITTING REQUIREMENT.
>> STILL COUNCIL ADOPTED A -- SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HEARD AND INITIATED THIS ORDINANCE ADOPTION WAS THE DENSITY, HOW MANY THERE ARE IN OUR TOWN. SALES TO UNDERAGED INDIVIDUALS.
POTENTIAL CRIME THAT COMES WITH VAPOR STORE AND JUST THE ADVERTISEMENT OF -- THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
SO CHAPTER TEN, BUSINESS CODE IS DEFINED THE C.B.D. PRODUCT AS MEANS OF OIL, OR CAPSULE, VAPORIZED LIQUID, INGEST A SOLID OR ANY OTHER PRODUCT THAT CONTAINS CANNABIS.
DESIGNED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. VAPOR STORE MEANS A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT THAT SELL OR AUTHORS TO FOR EACH SALE E-SY CIGARETTES WHICH RECEIVE AT LEAST 90% OF THE GROSS REVENUES THROUGH THE SALE OF ECIGARETTES A
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C.B.D. PRODUCT. PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS.SO CITY COUNCIL WANTED THOSE APPLY CAPITALS TO SUBMIT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AS YOU KNOW, SPECIALTY PERMITS EXPIRE AFTER FIVE YEAR. THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE APPROPRIATE CONTROL PERMITS. THEY CANNOT SELL TO ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 21. AND OF COURSE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN ORDER TO OPERATE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS S.U.P.THAT IS REVOKED AND WHO CAN REVOKE IT. CITY COUNCIL YOU ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN REVOKE IT. THE APPLICANT CAN APPEAL IT.
IT IS THE HEARD BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN EXCOLLATED TO CITY COUNCIL SHOULD THE RESIDENTS KUSS.
HERE ARE A LIST OF CURRENT LOCATIONS THAT USE OR HAVE THE BUSINESS MODEL SURROUNDING VAPE SALES OR ARE TRUE VAPOR STORES TO, 90% THRESHOLD. THEY ARE SCATTERED ALONG THE BUSY CORRIDOR SECTION. SOME HAVE BEEN ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. ONLY THREE HAVE BEEN ISSUED S.U.P.'S AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE LI L LISTED ON THE FAR RIGHT.
YOU CAN SAY YES, THEY HAVE THE SP SPECIFIC PERMITTING REQUIREMENT. YOU WERE THOSE GRANDFATHERED?
>> THEY DON'T GATHER MR.ORE THA 90% OF THEIR REVENUE.
>> THE ORDINANCE WAS CREATE AND OTHERS THAT DON'T MEET THE
THRESHOLD. >> CAN YOU GO BACK?
>> YES, SIR. >> WRONG DIRECTION.
>> UH-OH. >> CAN YOU GO BACK THREE SLIDES.
>> THE TOP ONE. LOCATION SLIDES.
THAT ONE. ON THERE, IS THE THIRD ONE FROM THE TOP, THE IS JUST SMOKE. THAT HAS IS BEFORE WE PASS THE ORDINANCE AND SHOWS IT HAS AN S.U.P.IS THIS FOR THIS OR A DIFFERENT S.U.P.? PERHAPS FOR DRIVE THROUGH OR
SOMETHING WEIRD LIKE THAT. >> THE S.U.P. WERE --
>> I DON'T REMEMBER PASSING THAT ONE.
>> WE WILL CHECK. JUST SMOKING RIGHTING?
>> THE TWO I REMEMBER PASSING ARE THE VAPOR BAR REVOCATION OF THE STORE AND ZAR IN THE CRUNCH FITNESS PARKING LOT.
TEMPERATURES THAT THE FIRST ONE WE HAD DONE AFTER THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT I'M REMEMBERING. .
>> MAYOR IF WE CAN FOLLOW UP. WE WILL APPRECIATE IT.
>> WE WILL FOLLOW UP. THANK YOU.
>> THAT IS WHEN C.O. WAS ISSUED. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
>> COULD HAVE ADD THE USE -- WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK.
>> IF YOU ARE OK WIT I CAN ADD THE DATE, THE S.U.P. WAS PERMITTED AND APPROVED. YOU CAN SEE THE DATES AS WELE.
>> SHOCKING THING ABOUT THAT IS I MEAN MOST OF THESE WERE DONE IN 2019, 2020, 2021, ANYTHING ISSUED AFTER MID-2020 WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE I BELIEVE.
THAT WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED.
SO THERE IS ONE, TWO, THREE. FOUR, FIVE.
>> THERE IS THREE ON THAT LIST. >> THREE.
OKAY YEAH, THAT DOESN'T COUNT. OK.
>> SO HERE ARE THE THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
120 LAKEVIEW. 7,000 ROWLETT AND 3701 LAKEVIEW.
YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE THERE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR AND SO RESIDENT AND VISITORS THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE SEEING.
THEY ARE SEEING THAT ADVERTISEMENT.
THEY ARE SEEING THE ASSIGNMENT THAT SAYS VAPE, SMOKE SHOP AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS PRESENTATION HAS BEEN GIVEN SO THAT HE CAN PROVIDE US GUIDANCE.
>> SO THE 90% THRESHOLD LIMIT, IS THE S.U.P. OVERSIGHT WE ARE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM. 10% SALES TOTAL.
WE HONOR THAT. WE HAVE TO ATTEST IT TO.
THERE IS CONSIDERATION. REDUCING THAT THRESHOLD.
STRICTLY UP TO YOU. LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AS AN ADDITIONAL WAY TO MANAGE THAT.
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PERHAPS YOU DO A LESSER THRESHOLD ON RETCH KNEW SALES BUT THEN ALSO SAY YOU CAN'T EXCEED "X" AMOUNT OF YOUR GROSS.AND IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE CHANGES WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND
OUR ROWLETT DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK. HEAR YOUR QUESTIONS OR INQUIRIES, CONCERNS. AND GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE.
>> I WILL START OFF. WHEN YOU TALK AT THE HONOR SYSTEM, WHAT IS THE REALISTIC ENFORCEMENT?
>> RIGHT NOW, THEY ATESS TO THAT IT IS LESS THAN 90% TYPICALLY WE ACCEPT THAT. IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION WE CAN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION.
>> FOLLOW UP IN >> DO SPOT-CHECKS? YES DO NOT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR -- WE CAN. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
>> EVEN IF WE REDUCE. EVEN REDUCE TO 51%.
YEA, SO I TELL MY STAFF AND START WE ARE AT 40%.
OR WON'T GO IN AND DO A FORENSIC.
NOT ENFORCEABLE. THAT BEING THE CASE, IS IT POSSIBLE THIS -- GUESS WHAT IF YOU WILL HAVE A BAKE SHOP, GOING
TOBE AN S.U.P., PERIOD. >> THAT IS THE INTENT OF THES OR NANCE. HOW DO YOU DEFINE A VAPE STORE.
IF YOU WILL SELL VAPE AT ALL? >> JUST INCLUDED EVERY CONVENIENCE STORE IN TOWN, EVERY GROCERY STORE IN TOWN.
EVERY C.V.S. AND WALL GREENS. THAT IS WHERE WE GET INTO HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT PERCENTAGE OF SALE?
>> WHAT CAN WE PUT IN THERE TO ENTO INSURANCE
>> SQUARE FOOTAGE. >> THE SEAMS PERCENT FINANCIAL AID PACKAGE IS STILL TOTALLY VALID.
I'M CURIOUS WHERE WE CAME UP WITH 51%?
>> THAT IS ME BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS IF WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT PUTTING IN C.V.S.SAND AND CONVENIENCE STORES AND ETC.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS LOOKING AT A USE TPREDOMINANTLY -- 51% WAS MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE LOWEST.
>> I DO LIKE THE 51%. >> AND IF IT IS A BRAND-NEW BUSINESS, THEY WILL HAVE TO GIVE PROTECTIONS.
AND THOSE PROJECTIONS WILL BE BASED ON ASQUARE FEET.
AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN GO IN AND SAYING YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR SALES RECENT CREATES TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ARE STILL COME MILLING WITH COME -- COMPLYING WITH THE
ORDINANCE. >> WE DON'T DO THAT NOW.
>> THE ORDINANCE SAYS WE MAY, THAT THE CITY HAS THE OPTION TO
ASSESS AND VALIDATE, VERIFY. >> RESOURCES.
>> NOT ONLY THAT, BUT A BUSINESS HAS THE ABILITY TO COOK THEIR
OWN BOOKS SO HOW DO YOU AUDIT? >> GO YOU GOT SOMEBODY THAT HAS AN S.U.P. BECAUSE THEY ARE A VAPOR SHOP.
NOT SO CONCERNED THEY ARE -- WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH IS THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY ELSE OUT THERE.
SAYING THEY ARE A CONVENIENCE STORE BUT IN, --
>> ONE ISSUE IS THE ONE THAT JUST OPENED AT 66TH.
AND I LOOKED AT THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
POLICE DESCRIBE HOW TO BUILDING OR SPACE WILL BE USED.
THEY FILLED OUT SALE OF GENERAL MERCHANDISE.
WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN? SALE -- I COULD BE SELLING CAR PARTS TO I MEAN, A BATH AND BODY WORKS CAN WRITE THE SAME THING.
HOW STRICT DO WE GET ON CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY APPLICATION TO ENSURE PEOPLE ARE DEFINING WHAT THEIR BUSINESS
INTENT IS. >> NOW THAT WE HAVE THE TEAM IN PLACE TO ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT THE CORRECT INFORMATION IS BEING PROVIDED AND DISPLAYED, THAT WILL BE CORRECTED AND WE CAN REVOKE, BASED ON -- SO WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK THE C.O.'S AND MAKE
SURE THEY ARE ISSUED CORRECTLY. >> WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE
BUSINESS? >> THAT ONE IS SMOKY'S.
>> SELLING GENERAL MERCHANDISE? >> RIGHT.
YEAH, EVEN THE SIGN ON THE BUILD, THE "I" IS A CIGAR.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER JUST FOR
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DISCUSSION BALWOULD YOU WANT A E SHOP TO REGISTER EVERY YEAR.SPECIFICALLY SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CODIFIED TO AND DRAFTED UP FROM YOUR CONSIDERATION. THAT IS ONE THING THAT YOU COULD TAKE THEIR INITIAL APPLICATION FLOOR PLAN AND SAYING WAIT A MINUTE. IT CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME WE INSPECTED IT. T IC CLAY /* /* WE TRUST -- WE TRUST THE BUSINESS OWNER WILL BE FORTH COMING AND HONEST. MOST OF THE BUSINESSES ARE.
THIS PARTICULAR CASE THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT.
MAYBE SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING.
>> FLOWS THOSE ARE -- THOSE ARE NOT THE VIOLATINGER.
THE OTHERS ARE THE GENERAL MANUFACTURE, GENRE TAIL SHOPS AND IN REALITY THEY FALL WITHIN THE VAPOUR SHOP.
>> YOU GOT THE CITY OF ALLEN, TO TEAM IT UP WITH THE D.E.A., GOING IN THERE AND SELLING GUMMIES THAT LOOK LIKE -- WHATEVER GUMMY AND THEY ARE MAKING THEM TOWARDS KIDS TO GO BUY THOSE THINGS. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN GO IN AND TAKE A LOOK. IF THEY SEE THE STUFF BUT THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU DO THAT, WE START SEIZING STUFF.
THEN WE HAVE TO STORE STUFF. AND WE HAVE TO FIND A PLACE TO PUT IT. WE WILL DO THAT, WE NEED A PLAN.
MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ALLEN AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, HOW STRICT IS THEIR ORDINANCE.
THEY WENT TO WAR. >> WEREN'T THEY DOING UNDER
>> TO YOUR POINT, IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTH LAKE, THEY GOT THREE. AND WE LOOK AT SOUTH LAKE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN SOUTH LAKE BUT ARE DOING SOMETHING. FOR SOME REASON, VAPE SHOPS -- WE ARE GOING IN THERE. YOU GOT TO BE 21.
>> WE DON'T HAVE THAT GRANT WHERE WE GO AND DO THE --
>> I WOULD SUBMIT WE HAD SO MANY IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT. I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT SOME TEETH. WE WILL WRITE IT DOWN.
NEED TO PUT SOME TEETH IN THERE AND ACT ON IT.
>> I THINK RIGHT NOW, IS COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
FOR SOMEBODY THAT SAYS THEY DID THIS.
WHATEVER. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS AND SEE HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WE GOT OUT OF
THE BUSINESSES SO FAR. >> I MEAN IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS
I RECEIVED OVER 10. >> SOMEONE FOLLOWED UP ON THEM?
>> YEAH, AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE -- NO.
BUILDING INSPECTOR. >> INFORMATION.
MAKE THE DECISION. THERE ARE GOOD STORES.
THEY ARE FOLLOWING TO THE RULE AND WILL TELL YOU THEY DON'T WANT TO BE PUNISHED BECAUSE OF EVERYBODY'S RULES.
SO WE JUST NEED TO SEE WHAT THE OVERALL PICTURE IS AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. I'M SURE THEY ARE AFTER THEM.
I HAVEN'T WALKED INTO THEM. ONCE YOU WALK IN SOMETIMES, YOU ARE GOING OOH, MY GOD. GOT TO GO CALL THIS IN.
THEN YOU ARE INVOLVED AND EVERYTHING.
>> ARE THEY REQUIRED TO I.D. CUSTOMER?
>> YEAH. >> WHERE THEY MAKE PURCHASE, THEY SHOW THEIR I.D. HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW THEY ARE DOING IT. LIKE YOU SAID, THEY CAN SAY, YEAH. WE SCANNED IT.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND BECAUSE THEY CAN TELL YOU THEIR SALES ARE NOT BAD. THEY CAN SELL STUFF.
THERE ARE GOOD BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAT DO THINGS ON THE UP
AND UP. >> I THINK IT IS A LOT EASIER.
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WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET AT ARE THE STORES THAT LOOK AND ACT LIKE THE STORES THAT WE HAD LISTED OP THERE ON THE SCREEN.THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SUPER OBVIOUS.
WHEN THEY APPLY AND THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS, THE NATURE OF MA THEY ARE SELLING ALL OF THE THINGS SHOULD BE RED FLAGGED THAT SEND UP AN ALARM. IF THEY CHECK THE BOX, NO WE DON'T SELL MORE THAN 51%, WILL BE LIKE HOLD ON, LET'S TALK REAL QUICK. WHAT ARE THE SALE PROS GENOMIC -- PROJECTIONS GOING TO BE LIKE.
I THINK CHANGING 51%, PLUS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CHANGE IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FROM AN ORDINANCE STANDPOINT.
ENFORCEMENT IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
>> LET'S DO SALES FOR -- BECAUSE YOU GO AND FINE SOMEBODY YOU WANT TO TAKE ACTION AND GET SOMEBODY THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE -- YOU CAN VERY EASILY GO IN AND ROUGHLY CALCULATE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHERE AS YOU CAN'T DETERMINE HOW
>> ARE WE -- FOUR SPACE? >> FOUR SPACE, THE DISPLAY OF
SALE. >> WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND SO I THINK ON TOP OF THIS STUFF, KEEP THINKING ABOUT THIS, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO ACTUALLY -- SEND THE POLICE IN. LET THEM DO AN INSPECTION.
MAKE SURE WE GOT STUFF THAT ARE COMPLIANT, TO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SELLING. NOT WHAT THEY ARE NOT.
BUT PRETTY SURE THE CHIEF WOULD HAVE TO SEND STAFF TO TRAINING OAR CONTACT THE P.D. TO GET THEM UP ON WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. THEY CAN'T REFUSE US, THE POLICE, THAT IS, TO LOOK AROUND AND SEE THE PRODUCTS.
IF THEY DO, WE CAN REVOKE. >> TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT LET'S TALK TO AND SAY -- FIND OUT.
ALSO, CHIEF CHECK IN WITH HIM AND ASK WHAT ARE YOU DOING ENFORCEMENT WISE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SIDE AND MAKE THE DECISION AND DO A MULTI PRONG APPROACH TO THIS.
IF WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE RESOURCES, BUT I THINK TO MAKE, AGAIN, WE GOT MORE THAN -- WE GOT THAT BIG STRETCH.
>> MAYOR AND I ATTENDED A CLASS AT T.M.O., CHA- -- THAT THE CHIF PUT ON AND IT WAS ENORMOUS. THEY ARE TARGETED CHILDREN.
>> SO TWO DIFFERENT THING. TALKING ABOUT THE CRIMINAL ASPECT. SO I THINK A LOT OF P.D.CEASE FOCUS IF THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD THEMSELVES.
0.3% T.H.C. THAT IS TWHOLE DIFFERENT PART O THE CONVERSATION. HAVING IT SENT TO A LAB, FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES. SEE IF THE D.A. OFFICE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CHARGES. I LOOK AS THERE IS 14 I THERE I LOCATIONS. NOT THAT MANY REALLY TO SPOT-CHECK AND LOOKING AT IT FROM YOU WALK INTO ONE OF THE STORES AND YOU CAN SEE THAT 80% OF THE STORE IS SELLING VAPE PRODUCTS. WE CAN PARTNER WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT TOP GO IN AND ADDRESS THROUGH THE ASPECT A LOT QUICKER THAN THE CRIMINAL ASPECT.
ESPECIALLY IF IT IS LOWERED TO THE 51% AND LOWERED THE SQUARE
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FOOTAGE. WE CAN ASK THE LEGAL FOR THIS, WHAT CAN CODE ENFORCEMENT REQUEST IN TERMS OF DOCUMENTATION OF SALES? SO THEY CAN PROVE THAT THEY ARENOT SELLING OVER 51%. >> WELL, THERE IS SALES TAX
INFORMATION. >> CAN WE GET TH-- I THINK I ME, INSPECTION IS FINE BUT AGAIN, THEY SEE US COMING.
I THINK SOMEBODY GOING IN THERE, 20-YEAR-OLD KID GOING IN THERE AND 21 IS THE AGE, SO ARE THEY BUYING IT? WE DID THAT ALL THE TIME AND SENT AN 18-YEAR-OLD IN.
>> I THINK FROM WHAT I'M READING ON THE WEBSITE THAT ONLY APPLIES TO BUSINESSES THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE A T.A.B.C. PERMIT.
IF THEY ARE JUST SMOKE SHOP THEY WOULD HAVE THAT.
SCORPION WOULD BECAUSE IT IS A LICK SCORE-- LIQUOR STORE.
>> IF THEY SOLD TO A 20-YEAR-OLD, THAT VIOLATES STATE LAW. THAT STATE LAW WILL GIVE US A RIGHT TO ACT ON THEM HAVING THE LICENSE IN OUR CITY.
>> YES. >> IF YOU PULL UP THE LIST OF LOCATION. YOU SAID IT WAS TOP.
>> IF THE STORES THAT DO HAVE AN S.U.P. IF THEY WERE VALIDLY AND LEGALLY CREATE AND WENT INTO PIS WHEN THERE WAS NO S.U.P.REQUIRED, THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED.
>> LEGALLY NONCONFORMING? >> YES.
>> SO THE POLICI POLICE DEPARTMENT -- POLICE DEPARTMENT
ONLY HAD THREE TO LOOK AT. >> IF YOU ARE SELLING UNDER AGE.
>> THAT IS ALL WE GOT. >> BEAR IN MIND, FARCAS FAR AS CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS WE CAN ONLY REGULATE THE ZONING.
THE LOCATION, SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THINGS.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN SPACE. >> IF P.D. WENT IN AND DID AN INVESTIGATION, FOUND SOMEBODY SELLING TO MINOR, THAT IS THE INDIVIDUAL'S PROPERTY, NOT THE PROPERTY'S PROBLEM.
AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD THEN BE GUILTY -- PRESUMED ACCUSED IS
THE RIGHT WORDING NOT GUILTY. >> I MEAN PIETIT'S THE SAME THI
WITH LIQUOR SALES. >> IF AN EMPLOYEE OF A GROCERY STORE SELLS LIQUOR OR WIN OR BEER AN UNDERAGED KID THAT EMPLOYEE GOES OUT AND HANDCUFFS NOT THE OWNER OF THE STORE.
>> BUZZ DOESN'T /* -- DOESN'T THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ENSURE THE EMPLOYEES ARE COMPLYING WITH THE
STATE LAW. >> ORDINANCE CANNOT ADDRESS THAT. THAT IS WHY THIS IS ADDRESSING THE ISSUE HERE. BECAUSE THAW -- THAT IS OUR STRONGEST WAY TO REGULATE. THAT THE LEGISLATURE PROVIDES.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST DROP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. >> WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA DO
>> YEAH I THINK WE SAID -- 10%, 15%?
>> GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE. >> THAT IS THE -- 15 AND 25%
GROSS SALES. >> MOST OF THE ONES I LOOKED AT WERE AROUND 25%. I DID SEE A FEW THAT WERE AS LOW AS 15%. BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND 25% GROSS.
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>> DID I HEAR YOU SAY EARLIER YOU WOULD DO YOU EITHER OR, NOT BOTH. 51% AND SQUARE FOOTAGE.
>> IF YOU SAY AND WHEN YOU GOT TO PROVE BOTH THING AND YOU SHOT YOURSELVES IN THE FOOT. YOU CAN JUST DO "OR." I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE MUCH EASIER FOR BUILDING OFFICIALS
AND -- >> SO I KNOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS 25. I LIKE 15 BETTER.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE LOOKING MAYBE AT WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST DEFENSIVE SHOULD A POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNER CHALLENGE US ON IT. BUT I WOULD RATHER GO TO THE LOW END OF THAT. KNOWING WHERE THE LEGISLATURE STANDS ON THIS TOPIC RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SO YOU D JUDICIARY STANDS ON IT.
IT IS CAREER THE LEGISLATURE SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE MOVING TOWARD THIS BEING COMPLETELY OUT -- FAR MORE REGULATED THAN IT IS
AND WE HAVE T.A.B.C. WHAT I DO WE HAVE AN ENTIRE SO -- I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
I WOULD IMAGINE THE LEGISLATURE WOULD GO SOMEWHERE, THAT IS WHERE THEY WOULD GO. DOESN'T SEEM PALATABLE.
>> I THINK IS A PROBABLY FINE. I MEAN LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOUR NORMAL CONVENIENCE STORE OR GROCERY STORE.
THAT IS PROBABLY WAY UNDER 15%. >> REICH.
>> RIGHT. I THINK OF SCORPION LIQUOR.
A LOT PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED BY IT BECAUSE IT IS A LIQUOR STORE AND ADVERTISED OPENLY AS A VAPE SHOP.
THEY WILL HAVE A GOOD SELECTION OF LIQUOR AND BEER AND SMALLER
SELECTION OF VAPE PRODUCT -- >> APPLIED TO EVERY SINGLE VAPE
STORE? >> APPLIED TO EVERY STORE.
>> BUT ONLY NEW ONES. >> ONLY NEW ONES.
>> THAT IS MY POINT. >> RIGHT.
>> THREE EXISTING. >> THEY HAVE BEEN ISSUED THEIR IT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY. -- ONLY NEW PERMITS.
>> THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD NOT AFFECT THESE STORE?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THE SAME AS 2022.
ALL THE OTHER STORES DIDN'T HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN.
THEY STILL EXIST. SALES TAX OR PERCENTAGE OF SALES
AND THE GROSS -- >> I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION
WOULD BE BASED ON FLOOR SPACE. >> ONLY FLOOR SPACE?
>> YES. >> I LIKE THE "OKAY -- I LIKE THE "OR." PAYS ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY ARE
SELLING OR BOTH. >> THAT IS ONLY NEW STORES.
>> CORRECT. >> YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN AND
CLOSE DOWN THE BUSINESS. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR.
THAT IS WHAT WE HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
HOW DO WE REGULATE THE SHOPS THAT ARE OPENING? WE GO BACK TO THE LIST, THERE ARE TWO OR THREE THAT OPENED WITHIN THE PAST TWELVE MONTHS. ONE AT ROWLETT ROAD, SMOKIES AND THE SCORPION STORE. I HAVEN'T BEEN INSIDE THE SCORPION STORE. ARE THEY OPEN?
>> CURIOUS WHAT THEIR FLOOR PLAN LOOKS LIKE AND HOW MUCH IS VAPE
PRODUCTS VERSES -- >> I TAKE IT BACK.
I NEED TO CORRECT MYSELF. I WAS THERE LAST WEEK.
THEY ARE GETTING READY FOR THFINAL INSPECTION. THEY ARE CLOSE.
>> WE HAVE TO PREPARE AND CONTRAST.
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TAKE A MULTI PRONGED APPROPRIATE.>> I ATHINK THAT IS WORST THE RESEARCH.
DID A BIT OF GOOGLING. SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, WHAT WOULD PREVENT A STORE FROM MOVING IN IN DEMOGRAPHICS AND COST OF RENT AND POTENTIAL FOR PROFIT. IF PEOPLE ARE IN THE BUYING THOSE PRODUCTS IN THE -- NOT BUYING THE PRODUCTS IN THE COMMUNITY OR LANDLORD ARE NOT WILLING TO RENT TO THOSE TIMES OF TENANT OR THE COST OF RENT IS JUST TOO HIGH THEY CAN'T BE PROFITABLE, ALL WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT.
>> I JUST DID MY RESEARCH AND SAW FIVE THERE.
15 -- WHY DO THEY LOVE US? SOMEBODY ABOUT GARLAND, THEY
LOVE. >> I THINK IT HAS A LOOT T TO D WITH DEMOGRAPHICS. I WOULD LOVE TO TALKING AND FIND OUT WHY DID YOU OPEN HERE? SO WITH RESPECT TO THIS ORDINANCE I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH BOTH COMPONENTS THAT ARE CONSIDERED. BOTH THE SALESEN AT FLOOR SPACE.
DISPLAY SPACE. ONLY BECAUSE -- I THINK THE MORE INFORMATION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS ENFORCEMENT FOR THE MOST PART. COUNCILOR FASSETT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS.
WHICH WE CANMENT COBAC-- WE CAN COME BACK AND AMEND.
>> NO -- MAYBE -- >> I THINK IN ALLEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY REPORTED IT TO -- AND THEN WAS KIND OF FACILITATING WORKING WITH THE STATE.
>> I BELIEVE THAT TOLD THE T.A.B.C. TO PUTT IT ON THEM, AFTERNOON THEY DID THE LEGISLATION.
HE VETOED THE BILL. >> I WOULD SAY IT REALLY WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS RUN BY ALLEN. JUST TURNED IT OVER TO THE STATE
AND STATE -- >> FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, I JUST CHECKED IN THEIR SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT AND COMMERCIAL CENTER DISTRICT. SO I MEAN TWO DISTRICTS DO THEY ALLOW -- ALLOW FOR THE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
NOW JUST TO FOLLOW UP. WITH COUNCIL.
I WANT TO MIKE SURE WE ARE MAKE -- MAKE SURE WE WILL COME FORWARD WITH ANOTHER WORK SESSION BECAUSE IF WE GET DIRECTION TO PROCEED WITH CREATING AND AFTER THING AN ORDINANCE WE NEED TO GO TO P.N.Z. FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE -- WANT TO SEEK YOUR DIRECTION ON NEXT
>> ALLEN. LAST PART OF WHAT YOU SAID WAS THEY HAVE A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT?
>> YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE ME LOOK FUNNY.
WE ARE ALSO ADVOCATING THIS REQUIREMENT.
>> FROM ANOTHER STORE? >> RIGHT.
>> WAS THAT IN HIS PRESENTATION? DID I MISS THAT?
>> LOSING MY MIND. SO WHY VICTORIA LOOKS THAT UP YOU CANNOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 300 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY AND ZONED PROPERTY. CHURCH OR OTHER RELIGIOUS FACILITY, PUBLIC HOSPITAL OR DAY CARE FACILITY.
SHALL NOT BE LOCATE WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF A PRIVATE, PUBLIC OR PERIPHERAL SCHOOL. SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF ANOTHER SMOKE HAPPEN THAT IS -- SMOKE SHOP THAT IS CURRENT OPERATION. THE CITY HAS THE -- I'M
PARAPHRASING EVERYTHING. >> WOULDN'T BE GROUND FOR AUTOMATIC DENIAL. THEY CAN STILL APPLY BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE CONSIDERATION.
>> BASED ON THEIR ORDINANCE, THOSE ARE THE PERIMETERS.
>> CAN WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
[Additional Item]
WITH THAT, LET'S GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ITEM THREE
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C. WE WILL CONVENE IN CLOSED SESSION. AGENDA ITEM COMPLETED AT 8:04. WE ARE BACK ON OPEN SESSION.ON AGENDA 3-C. MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE ASK STAFF TO DO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH AND WORK AROUND KIND OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY WITH RESPECT ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AN SUP YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH AN S.U.P. WOULD WITH APPLY.
FOR INSTANCE WE WOULDN'T WAN TOP LIKELY ALLOW THAT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA SO OUR ONE DISTRICT, S.P. DISTRICT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE OPTION TO APPLY FOR AN S.U.P. IN THOSE DESTRUCTION. THOSE ARE CERTAIN DISTRICTS WE MIGHT HAVE THAT OPTION. LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND SPACES WITHIN THE CITY AND GIVE US A BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. SO WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO A FUTURE MEETING WITH CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE OR SOME MODEL THEREOF DEPENDING ON WHAT STAFF DISCOVER. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS KIND OF GIVEN THEIR OPINION ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THIS.
SEEMS LIKE WE ARE ALL ON BOARD TO BASICALLY PUT SOME PRETTY STRONG RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE AROUND THE FUTURE OF VAPE SHOPS, THAT COULD BE OPEN WITHIN THE CITY AS MUCH AS WE CAN. DOES EVERYONE AGREE? GOOD. DISTRIBUTION FOR STAFF.
WE DO WANT TO MAKE MENTION OF THE PUBLIC THAT THE LIST OF STORES THAT YOU SAW UP THERE ON THE SCREEN, THERE IS NOTHING THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN DO THAT WOULD APPLY TO THOSE STORES.
AND I MENTIONED THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I KNOW WE RECEIVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF VAPE STORES WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE STORES THAT WERE OPENED AND ARE IN THEORY APPROPRIATELY OPERATING.
AND THEY WERE OPENED UNDER COMMERCIAL ZONING.
WHICH IS WITHIN WHAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO.
THE STORES THAT WERE APPROVED FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS WERE APPROVED FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT IS PLACE AND EXISTS.
WE DID TALK A BIT ABOUT ENFORCEMENT SO I THINK THERE IS SOME OPTIONS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. MAYBE A PARTNERSHIP WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES TO MIKE THAT MORE EFFECTIVE AND THAT IS JUST A BIT MORE REACH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS OR DID I COVER EVERYTHING? YOU COVERED.
[4. Discuss Consent Agenda Items for June 16, 2026, City Council Meeting ]
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA TO ITEM 4 O DISCUSS CONSENT ATTEMPT FOR THE JUNE 16, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT I HAD A REQUEST FROM A RESIDENT TO PULL ITEMS 4-C A 4-D, PERTAINING TO MILLER ROAD. SO THOSE WILL BE PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. WERE THERE ANY OTHER REQUESTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAD ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS?
>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION. THIS IS NOT CONSENT AGENDA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
>> IF IT IS NOT CONSENT AGENDA I WOULD SAY IT IS NOT
APPROPRIATE. >> I HAD A DISCUSSION --
>> YEAH, I THINK -- JUST MENTION IT.
>> GO AHEAD. >> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS CONSIDER -- GET CONSIDERATION ON 5-E TO SEE IF WE -- I DON'T WANT YOU TO TURN THE TABLE BUT MAYBE WE CAN DELAY THIS.
I D I'M HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH THE LANGUAGE. THIS IS ON YOUR PLATE, TOO.
YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET OFF THAT BUT I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BENEFICIAL FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HAVE DISCUSSION, AROUND THIS EXTERIOR LIGHTING BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT TOMORROW
>> SO YOU CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THAT -- UNLESS STAFF WITHDRAWS
>> WE DON'T HAVE TO RENOTICE THIS BECAUSE TEXT AMENDMENT NOTIFICATION PERIMETERS ARE ON A STRICT FROM THE STATE.
CAN WE PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND POSTPONE THE DATE CERTAIN FOR WORK SESSION AND BRING IT BACK?
>> I WANT TO RESPECT THE -- YOU DON'T HAVE GO THROUGH.
>> BUT WE WILL DO LIKE BEFORE. >> OK.
THAT HAS TO BE TO A DATE CERTAIN.
STAFF CAN COME UP WHEN THAT DATE WILL BE WHEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD A WORK SESSION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON CONSENT
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.