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[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[2. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

[3A. Review revised Rowlett Public Library Policy Manual. (30 minutes)]

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>>> HELLO POLICIES. TONJA WE ARE MOVING QUICKLY

TONIGHT. >> WE ARE MOVING ON TIME.

>>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

>> WE ARE SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

WE HAVE LOST CONTROL OF THIS MEETING.

>> I KNOW. >> GOOD EVENING.

LAUGHTER. >> HOW ARE YOU TODAY.

WE ARE VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOU. WE HAVE ALREADY READ THE ITEM SO WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE PRESENTING.

EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THANK YOU FOR COMING.

LAURA WILL START THE MEETING FOR DISCUSSION.

>> SO WE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO PRESENT OUR LATEST REVISIONS TO THE ROWLETT PUBLIC LIBRARY MANUAL.

THIS HAS NOT BEEN REVISED SINCE SEPTEMBER 29 OF 2010.

THE ASSOCIATION DOES RECOMMEND THESE BE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS WITH CHANGES HAPPENING, WE POSTPONED THAT.

SO SINCE WE ARE NOW IN A LOCATION AND WILL NOT MOVE FOR A LITTLE WHILE. WE REVIEWED THAT EXTENSIVELY WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD AND STAFF MEMBERS.

WE DID MAKE SOME REVISIONS. THESE REVISIONS INCLUDE GETTING THE VISION AND MISSION STATEMENT TO GO ACCORDING TO PLAN.

WE MODIFIED THE SELECTION CRITERIA POLICY.

WE WANTED A CLARIFICATION ON NOT ONLY WHY MATERIALS ARE NOT SELECTED BUT WHY THEY ARE SELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE WHERE THERE IS A REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION POLICY.

THE PATRON HAS AN ISSUE WITH MATERIALS IN THE LIBRARY THIS IS A PROCESS THAT THEY CAN DO. WE STREAMLINED THAT PROCESS TO MAKE IT MORE OF A DIALOGUE INSTEAD OF A HINDRANCE.

WE MODIFIED THE POLICY OR THE MODIFICATION FOR INDIVIDUALS NOT TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN A LIBRARY CARD WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT UNTIL AGE 17. PREVIOUSLY POLICIES ALLOW CHILDREN 14-16 TO GET A CARD WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT AND WE WANTED TO HAVE A POLICY WHERE WE COULD HAVE SOME FORM IN PLACE TO

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GET THINGS BACK. WE ALSO WANTED TO MODIFY TECH CARDS. THEY SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO RESIDENTS. IT IS A PASS THAT THE PATRONS CAN USED TO CHECK OUT MATERIALS FROM OTHER PARTICIPATING LIBRARIES IN THE METROPLEX. WE WANTED THAT TO BE WHERE THEY COULD CONTAIN ANY -- SINCE YOU ARE BASICALLY GETTING A FREE PASS, WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN TO MINIMIZE IT TO RESIDENTS.

>> AND IT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LOSS OF ANY ITEMS NOT RETURNED. WE EXPANDED AND CLARIFIED UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIORS IN THE CODE OF CONDUCT.

>> WE HAVE THE SAME CHILD POLICY WHICH ESTABLISHES CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 12 MAY NOT BE UNATTENDED IN THE LIBRARY.

THE PREVIOUS POLICY DID NOT ESTABLISH ANY AGE FOR UNATTENDED

CHILDREN. >> WE PUT IN A STUDY GROUP POLICY SINCE THE LIBRARY NOW HAS A STUDY ROOM.

THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONS WE ADDED THAT HAD TO DO WITH BUT LIBRARY ASSOCIATION, LIBRARY BILL OF RIGHTS, AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT COMPLIANCE POLICIES AND THINGS WE NEED TO HAVE IN OUR POLICY MANUAL. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THAT

TO YOU NOW FOR APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH LAURA.

>> ARE WELCOME. >>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CARDS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE CARDS? STANCH THE TEXT SHARE CARDS ARE ISSUED ON A SIX-MONTH BASIS.

SO THEY HAVE ALREADY EXPIRED THE ONES WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN

ISSUED. >> DO HAVE A LOT OF THEM QUICK STANCH OCCASIONALLY. WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM MAY BE ROCKWALL OR DALLAS WHO WANT TO GET THE TEXT SHARE CARD.

WE DIRECT THEM TO THEIR LIBRARY OR TOWN.

WE USUALLY HAVE A GOOD RESOLUTION OVER THAT.

>>> IT IS ALSO NICE BECAUSE WE ARE A POPULAR MATERIALS LIBRARY THAT IS OUR FOCUS. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE HAVE MORE NEEDS THAT COULD BE MET WITH OTHER LIBRARIES.

>> THE QUESTION I HAVE. I HAVE SEEN IT ACROSS OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA WHERE THEY ARE WAIVING ALL OF THE LATE FEES FOR LATE BOOK RETURN SPIRIT HAVE WE CONSIDERED THE POLICY AND WHAT WOULD BE THE POSITIVES OF THAT.

>> WE HAVE HEARD OF OTHER CITIES THAT DO THAT.

THE INFORMATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOT DONE STUDIES TO SEE HOW THAT HAS REALLY IMPACTED GETTING MATERIALS BACK OR HOW IT HAS IMPACTED OR AFFECTED PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO CONNECT WITH MATERIALS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AND LOOKING TO OUR. LIBRARIES.

>> TESTING? >> EXACTLY.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF IS AWARE OF YOUR WORK WE DO HAVE SOME STAFF MEMBERS WHO HAVE WORKED AT LIBRARIES WHERE THAT WAS -- THERE WERE NO FINES AND IT IS INTERESTING THAT EVEN IN THOSE SITUATIONS OR BILLS LIBRARIES PATRONS SEEM TO HAVE SOME ISSUE WITH WHY DO I HAVE TO BRING THIS BACK.

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO CONNECT ALL USERS WITH THE LIBRARY.

WE WANT TO COP BEFORE WE MAKE THE DECISION LIKE THAT, MAKE SURE THAT IT IS THE RIGHT DECISION SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE WAITING TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS WITH OTHER CITIES.

>> WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT BEYOND A STAFF LEVEL THAT WILL BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE HARD EVIDENCE. ALSO TRADITIONALLY WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORGIVING IN TERMS OF FINES.

THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO GET OUR MATERIALS BACK NOT TO BE EXCESSIVELY PUNITIVE. IN FEBRUARY OR MAY IN YEARS PAST WE HAVE HAD A CAMPAIGN WHERE PEOPLE COULD BRING IN PET FOOD OR FOOD ITEMS IN EXCHANGE FOR 1 DOLLAR FOR EACH ITEM THEY

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BROUGHT IN. SO BRING IN FIVE RAMEN NOODLES.

WE ALSO HAVE A FINE OF $5. SO UNTIL YOU GET TO $10.

>> AND AFTER YOU INCURRED $10 IN FINES YOU CAN STILL USE THE LIBRARY. WHEN YOU DON'T BRING MATERIALS BACK, THEN WE DO IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE SHARED.

>> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. >> I DON'T THINK THE FINES SHOULD BE LIMITED. BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE INCENTIVE TO RETURN BOOKS FOR CHANGE WE HAVE HAD FEEDBACK FROM BOTH ENDS. CUSTOMER SAY YOU SHOULD FOLLOW OTHER CITIES AND OTHER CUSTOMER SAY I AM WAITING FOR A BOOK AND IF THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR SOMEONE TO RETURN THE BOOK WE HAVE GOTTEN FEEDBACK ON BOTH ENDS.

>> THAT'S WHY WE JUST NEED MORE PEOPLE TO GET BACK TO US.

>> IT IS NEW. IT IS JUST HAPPENING SO IT IS

NOT IN PLAY YET. >> AND WITH MORE MATERIALS BECOMING AVAILABLE IN THE ELECTRONIC FORMAT, THERE IS AN INCENTIVE FOR YOU TO KEEP YOUR ACCOUNT BALANCE MINIMUM SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ENJOY THE PERKS AS WELL.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE ARE WATCHING CLOSELY.

>> THANK YOU. CANCEL BILL, CAN YOU INTRODUCE

YOUR LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. >> CAN I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

>> I WILL JUST CALL THEM BY THEIR FIRST NAMES.

>> DEBBIE. AMBER.

TO MEERA. VICKI.

-- SAMARA AND LATOYA. >> WHO IS THE CHAIR CURRENTLY?

>> VICKI HAS BEEN SECRETARY FOR A LONG TIME.

>> NOT ANYMORE. LAUGHTER.

>> WE THANK HER FOR HER SERVICES AND WE THINK LATOYA.

>> WE WAITED FOR HER NOT TO BE THERE.

>> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE POLICY MANUAL.

SO BEST PRACTICES FOR FOR THE POLICIES REGARDING THE CITY AND EQUITY AND INCLUSION DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE ARE LINED UP WITH THE BEST POLICIES.

>> WE HAVE THE DIVERSION IN MIND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ADDRESSED THE REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION BECAUSE THE MATERIAL, WE FIND THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE MOST PROBLEM WITH OUR THINGS THAT ARE CONTROVERSY IO OR CONVEY DIVERSE LIFESTYLES.

>> RELIGION. >> DIFFERENT RELIGIONS PYRRHIC WAYS OF LIVING DIFFERENTLY, CULTURES THAT IS WHERE WE FIND PEOPLE HAVE THE MOST ISSUES WITH THE MATERIALS WE HAVE.

THAT IS WHY WHEN WE MODIFY THE REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION WE WANTED IT TO BE SOMETHING WHERE WE GOT INPUT ON WHAT IT WAS ABOUT THE MATERIAL THAT BOTHERED THEM SO WE COULD HAVE A DIALOGUE SO WE COULD EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY WE HAVE THAT MATERIAL.

THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT MATERIAL. >> GOING TO PROFESSIONAL REVIEWS, TO FURTHER VALIDATE THINGS.

AGAIN I THINK, IT IS IN THE FREEDOM TO READ STATEMENT WE ADOPTED. AND EXPRESSES THOSE THINGS ON THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND OUR SELECTION POLICIES IS TO AVOID A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE COMPELLED TO EXCLUDE SOMETHING ON THE BASIS OF SOMEONE'S OBJECTION TO IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT WITH THEIR RELIGIOUS VIEWS OR ETHNICITY VIEWS OR RACIAL VIEWS.

IT REALLY IS A MEANS TO PROTECT THE INFORMATION.

WE STRIVE TO REPRESENT ALL VI VIEWS, OPPOSING VIEWS, AND WOULD

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LIKE TO PROVIDE A BALANCE WHERE WE CAN.

WE CAN'T ALWAYS DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ALWAYS AN ABUNDANCE OF MATERIAL WRITTEN ON BOTH SIDES BUT WE TRIED TO BE EQUITABLE IN REPRESENTING ALL VIEWS.

>>> HAVE A QUESTION. HISTORICALLY I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH BAD ACTORS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE SIDEWALK AND WITHIN THE LIBRARY. WILL THE CHANGES THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING IN THE CODE OF CONDUCT AND EVEN IN THE CHILD POLICY

HELP YOU TO COMBAT THAT. >> THE ISSUES WE ARE HAVING WITH THE AFTERSCHOOL CROWD THEY SEEM TO BE CYCLICAL ACCORDING TO WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON WITH THE KIDS PYRRHIC WE DO HAVE TWO OFFICERS TO ASSIST WITH PATROLLING THE KIDS.

GETTING THEM TOGETHER WHEN THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE STAFF.

THINGS WILL GET BETTER BEFORE THEY GO ON BREAK.

THEY MAY ACT UP A LITTLE MORE. WHEN WE ADOPTED THE SAME CHILD POLICY IT WASN'T TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE PARTICULARLY PYRRHIC.

>> WITH SPECIFIC AGE GROUP. I WOULDN'T EXPECT THERE TO BE A

LOT -- >> THIS WAS THE SAME CHILD FOR THE PARENTS FOR KIDS THAT WOULD COME IN PYRRHIC IT WAS FOR PARENTS WHO WOULD DROP THEM OFF TO RUN AN ERRAND.

WHEN WE CLARIFIED THE UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIORS WE DID HAVE IN MIND NOT JUST OUR AFTERSCHOOL CROWD BUT OTHER INDIVIDUALS ACROSS THE BOARD WHO COULD POSSIBLY DISRUPT LIBRARY TIME FOR OTHERS. I AM NOT SURE THIS WILL SOLVE THAT PYRRHIC IN FACT IT IS AN ONGOING ISSUE PYRRHIC NEARLY ADOPTING A POLICY WILL NOT TAKE THAT ISSUE AND RESOLVE IT.

IT IS A SMALLER LIBRARY SO EVEN WHEN WE GET A LOT OF THE KIDS THAT ARE BEHAVING IT CAN BE OVERWHELMING PYRRHIC IT IS NOT GOING -- THIS WILL NOT MAKE THAT GO AWAY.

>> I GUESS THE REASON WHY I BRING THAT UP IS A LOT OF RESOURCES AND THE OFFICERS THAT ARE THERE, EVENTUALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WORK OUR WAY OUT OF THAT PYRRHIC I AM WONDERING WHAT PLANT WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> HAVING BEEN HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS OUR PROXIMITY TO THE SCHOOLS AND THIS AFTERSCHOOL SPOT IS PERCEIVED BY PARENTS AS A PERFECTLY SAFE PLACE TO DROP THE KIDS OFF.

IT IS A PUBLIC PLACE. THE PART, THE VALUE IN ACCEPTING THE BEHAVIORS NOT ONLY PROVIDES CHALLENGES FOR OUR STAFF, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO POINT TO AND WE DO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING A COMFORTABLE PLACE FOR EVERYONE AND IF SOMEONE DISRUPTS THAT ENJOYMENT, WE ARE CERTAINLY AUTHORIZED TO DO THAT. THE PART-TIME POLICE OFFICERS HELP US IN ENFORCING THAT PYRRHIC I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR AFTERSCHOOL VISITORS NECESSARILY THEY DO RECOGNIZE THIS PERCHANCE WE CAN TELL YOU TO LEAVE. THERE IS DEFINITELY VALUE IN THAT. IT REALLY HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME. I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER LIBRARIES THAT DEAL WITH THE SITUATION.

>> MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION IS WITH THE NEW CODE OF CONDUCT WILL THERE BE SIGNAGE PYRRHIC WILL IT GO ALONG WITH THAT?

>> WE ARE HESITANT TO PUT UP SIGNAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE SIGNAGE IDENTIFYING THE BASIC THINGS. BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT IT TO BECOME A DEBATE OF THE LEVEL, THE DEGREE OMISSION, IF SOMEONE

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FLIES THEIR FLYING SAUCER IN THE LIBRARY AND IT IS NOT ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT WE WON'T TOLERATE THAT PYRRHIC BUT IT IS NOT ON THE LIST OF THINGS WE DON'T TOLERATE.

>> I GET IT. >> WE HAVE HAD LITTLE KIDS TRY TO ARGUE WITH US ABOUT WHY THEIR PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR, WHATEVER

THEY ARE DOING. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND I HAVE A FEELING IT WILL GET ANSWERED.

HAVE YOU TRIED TO COORDINATE ANY AFTERSCHOOL ACTIVITIES WITH THE SCHOOL SO IT COULD HELP DEFLECT SOME OF THE POPULATION.

>> THE KIDS THAT ARE THE ISSUE AND THE PROBLEM THEY DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE IN VIDEOGAME PROGRAMS OR WHATEVER PROGRAMS ARE BEING OFFERED PYRRHIC THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE CHARGING THEIR PHONES OR HANGING OUT WITH THEIR FRIENDS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GO HOME YET. THEY NEED A PLACE TO HANG OUT SO THEY ARE THERE PYRRHIC IF WE TRIED TO ENGAGE THEM, WE NOW HAVE A PROGRAM AFTER SCHOOL WHERE THIS YEAR IT IS ALL AGES LOVE STEM. AND THE LIBRARIANS TRIED TO MODIFY WHATEVER GROUP WALKS IN. LAST YEAR WE HAD SEEN ACTIVITIES ON WEDNESDAY. LOWER GRADES ON TUESDAY.

WE THOUGHT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR ALL AGES EVERY DAY WE COULD GET MORE KIDS IN HERE AND IT IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE IT IS NOT MY DAY FOR AN ACTIVITY I WILL GO BE A HOODLUM SOMEWHERE.

THE INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO STAFF OR RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE IN THE LIBRARY, THEY DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE IN

PROGRAMS EITHER THAT WE CAN SEE. >> I DON'T REMEMBER YOU REMEMBER MARTHA, SHORTLY AFTER WE HAD A RESOLUTION THAT ADDRESSED SOME OF THE AFTERSCHOOL ACTIVITIES, SKATEBOARDING ON THE SIDEWALKS.

AT THAT TIME THE REC CENTER PROVIDED A WHILE YOU WAIT PROGRAM. I CAN SPEAK TO THE SUCCESS OF THAT. ANGIE WOULD BE THE BETTER PERSON BUT I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS AGAIN, IT WAS GETTING KIDS TO ENGAGE IN THE PROGRAM. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WE HAVE HAD, IS THE 900 SQUARE-FOOT MEETING SPACE AT THE OLD FACILITY WAS GETTING THE KIDS ENGAGE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. IT IS A REAL CHALLENGE.

THEY HAVE BEEN IN SCHOOL ALL DAY THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO

ENGAGEMENT. >> I FEEL LIKE WE ARE GETTING OFF A LITTLE BIT IN REGARDS TO THE POLICY PAIR THAT'S OKAY.

BUT TO BRING YOU BACK AROUND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR CLARIFICATIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE POLICY?

>> LOOKS GOOD TO ME. >> THANK YOU.

>> GREAT CHANGES GUYS BEAR WE HAVE HAD SOME INTERESTING

CONVERSATIONS PYRRHIC. >> THANK YOU.

WE ARE SORRY TO LOSE YOU YOU HAVE BEEN A WONDERFUL ASSET TO THE CITY. I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN STAY FOR THE PRESENTATION FOR KATHY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[3B. Hear a presentation and discuss the zoning of properties in the North Shore, zoning compatibility with the Comprehensive Plan, and the purposes of overlay zones. (30 minutes)]

>>> THE NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSED THE ZONING OF PROPERTIES IN THE NORTH SHORE COTTON ZONING COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PURPOSES OF OVERLAY ZONES.

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>> GOOD EVENING COUNSEL I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU AND TALK ABOUT THE HOMOLOGY OF THESE CONCERNS.

I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A TOPIC THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ME. WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION TODAY AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP AS WE MOVE INTO THE FUTURE OF ROWLETT. AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION. IT WAS A LEARNING CURVE FOR ME TOO PYRRHIC SO I LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU. I LIKE TO CALL THIS THE NORTH SHORE ITSELF AND TALK ABOUT THE ZONING AS WELL AS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN. I KNOW WE HAVE SAID CITY INITIAL ZONING. I WANTED TO BRING CLOSURE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR 2020 AND THE ADOPTION IN INITIATION OF THE NEW CODE AND THE UPDATE TO THE NEW PLAN AND BRING THAT OR MERGE THAT TOGETHER. I DON'T --

>> WILL IT BE 30 OR LESS? >> ABSOLUTELY PYRRHIC.

>> AND THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE.

ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUT WE OPENED THE MASTER PLAN IN 2014 AND THAT WAS THE SAME IN 2012.

NORTH SHORE IS 1600 ACRES SO THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE LIEN AND IS ON A REGIONAL CORRIDOR. IT IS THREE COMPONENTS TO THE NORTH SHORE. WE HAVE THE NORTH AND THE CENTER AND THE SOUTH. SO I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY. I WANTED TO SHOW FROM 2006 TO NOW WHERE WE ARE. WE CAN SEE THE NON- DEVELOPMENT PART WHICH IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY RURAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND OF COURSE EARMARKED IS THE NORTH SHORE DISTRICT THAT WAS ALWAYS THERE.

>> FAST-FORWARD A LITTLE BIT TO 2013 THERE WAS SOME DEVELOPMENTS AND THOSE WERE PRIMARILY TO ABSORB THE CODE THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED AND YOU CAN SEE ALONG HERE.

THIS WAS THE HARMONY HILLS PROJECT.

OTHER THAN THAT YOU WILL SEE SWATCHES OF BLUE AND THAT WAS DIFFERENT STRUCTURES. THIS WAS A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. THIS WAS EARMARKED EVEN THOUGH IT WAS RURAL IN STYLE. FAST FORWARD A FEW YEARS IN 2015 AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE INITIATED ZONING UPON THE ADAPTATION. THE ZONING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS REALLY FROM WHAT I CAN UNDERSTAND AS I TRY TO PUT THE PUZZLE TOGETHER WAS TO KEEP THE SAME ZONING PATTERN SO TO SPEAK TO MAINTAIN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS IS A FORM OF THE USES. IN THIS INSTANCE IT WAS TRYING TO RETAIN SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.

THIS COMPONENT WAS TO NOT BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

FAST-FORWARD TO WHERE WE ARE NOW AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT. WE DO HAVE THIS WHICH IS WITHIN THE COMPONENT. IT IS PRIMARILY RURAL.

IT IS A URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE ARE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU WILL SEE OUT THERE.

PRIMARILY WE SEE THIS ALONG HERE WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. WE HAVE PHASE WON AND TWO.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE RIGHT HERE. THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS GOING ON. LET'S TALK ABOUT NORTH SHORE

ZONING. >> AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE UPDATE, ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS WAS TO ADOPT A FUTURE PLAN.

IN THIS INSTANCE YOU CAN TELL THAT IN COMPARISON A

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SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON THAT THE NORTH SHORE'S PRIMARILY BLUE.

WHAT THAT MEANS FROM A FORECASTING PERSPECTIVE IS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER WITH A SECONDARY USE.

IT WOULD GO ALONGSIDE THOSE. IT WOULD HAVE THE TRANSITION ZONING ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO LOTS OF BOARDS HERE BUT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS. WE ARE PRIMARILY THREE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW THIS. WE HAVE THE URBAN VILLAGE WHICH HAS NO RESTRICTIONS. A MULTI FAMILY COMPONENT.

THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT.

THE INTENT OF THAT IS A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL USES.

THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A WIDE ARRAY OF TYPES WHERE YOU HAVE A MIXED COMPONENT FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT PYRRHIC YOU MAKE SURE YOUR DESIGN IS MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.

THE CAVEAT HERE IS THE BUILDING TYPE DISTRIBUTION THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 20% OF THE TOTAL UNITS TO BE A MIXED RESIDENTIAL. AND YOU HAVE A CAP ON HOW MANY HAS TO BE COMPRISED OF ANY COMBINATION.

COMMERCIAL CENTER WHICH WE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH WENT WE ADOPTED THIS, WAS THAT WE HAVE THIS COMMERCIAL CENTER WHEN IS THE INTENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND EMPLOYMENT BUILDING YOU HAVE A CAVEAT WITH THAT. THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE TO HAVE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. WHICH ULTIMATELY MEANS THIS IS A LARGER PROJECT AREA AND YOU WILL HAVE TO SEE A DETAILED PLAN SHOWING OUT THE PERCENTAGES WOULD HAPPEN.

THIS IS DIFFICULT TO AVOID. SO MIXED RESIDENTIAL ARE YOUR APARTMENTS YOUR CONDOS. AND YOUR LIVE WORK IS YOUR UPPER STORY HAS TO BE RESIDENTIAL. AND MIXED USE IS YOUR RETAIL OFFICE. SO, THE GOAL PRIMARILY IS TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE NORTH SHORE. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY RAMPING UP AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ALL OF THIS MEANS.

AND HOW IT APPLIES IN MUNICIPALITIES.

I HAVE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE, WITH THIS.

I HAVE WORKED IN MINUTES POLITIES.

ONE WAS TO LOOK AT THE FIELDS AND ACTUALLY REALIZE A VISION FOR THE AREA. AND THE PLANT USES WE THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT. THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF CRETING THE OVERLAYS. SO OVERLAY ZONES ARE TO ATTRACT EMPLOYMENT STYLE CAMPUSES. THERE WAS A RUSH TO BRING TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRIES INTO PL PLACE.

MEDICAL CORE DOORS IS A BIG THING TOO.

IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE PROTECTION OF CONSERVATION ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

>> SO THE INTERESTING THING IS IF YOU DO CREATE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT WHAT IS THE PURPOSE. WHEN ARE YOUR USES.

IF YOU DO TAKE A CORRIDOR AS YOU DO TAKE A FEW HUNDRED FEET FROM EACH SIDE THEN YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT AND YOU CAN THEN PLACE THAT OVERLAY WITH SPECIFIC LAND USES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CATEGORY.

THEY USUALLY REQUIRE THINGS THAT ARE FARTHER OUT.

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SO YOU CAN BRING ZONING AND ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE HAVE THREE HERE. WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE ON HOW WE TACKLE THAT. YOU DON'T WANT TO DOWN SOMETHING WHERE THERE IS QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.

THIS WILL GUIDE YOU. TO CREATE THAT YOU WILL HAVE AN OVERLAY ZONE. THAT WAS IT.

I KNOW TIME WAS LIMITED BUT I WANTED TO START THIS CONVERSATION OFF. I KNOW YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT. THIS IS JUST IMAGERY ON WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS WITH THE NORTH SHORE

DISTRICT. >> THANK YOU PYRRHIC.

>> SOAP QUESTIONS. I'M SURE WE HAVE SEVERAL

QUESTIONS. >> I ASKED FOR -- WE WERE AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE A FEW MONTHS AGO AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP. THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD TOOL THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT.

THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I WAS THINKING AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE THERE FOR THE CONFERENCE THAT WE WERE NOTIFIED THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO BUILD MULTI FAMILY HOMES.

HOWEVER IT DID NOT COMPLY PYRRHIC SO THAT WAS EVEN MORE REASON TO LOOK. WE HAVE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS.

WE WANTED TO DECIDE. SO THAT WAS MY THINKING ON IT.

FROM EVERYTHING I HAVE SEEN I THINK IT IS A GREAT PLAN.

THERE ARE SO MANY CITIES THAT USE OVERLAY ZONES.

I COULD NAME A FEW. THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ONES I HAVE RESEARCHED. THOSE ARE SOME SUCCESSFUL CITIES IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY HAVE.

SO THIS IS SAFEGUARDING OUR PREMIUM PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE.

IT IS SAFEGUARDING IT AND KEEPING IT FOR WHAT WE WANT

PYRRHIC. >> I WON'T ARGUE AGAINST ANYTHING THAT YOU SAID. THIS CAN BE A REALLY GOOD TOOL AND SOMETIMES IT COME INTO PLACE WITH ZONING.

SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE CITY ENVISIONS.

I THINK THERE'S A GOOD HISTORY OF WHEN IT WENT THROUGH THE NORTH SHORE AND HOW THE ZONING HAS CHANGED AND ONE THING THAT CAME OUT WAS THEY WERE ALL PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE ZONING.

EVEN IF IT WAS BASED ON THE CURRENT ZONING.

EVERYONE WAS PRETTY HAPPY WITH WHERE THAT WAS.

FUTURE LAND USE WAS GOING TO PROTECT THAT AND IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO SOME WORDING ISSUES ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

YES SCOTT SOLD TO ME AND OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT CAN BE A GOOD TOOL BUT WHY -- IT WOULD JUST BE OVERLAYING WHAT WE HAVE.

IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ZONING THAT IS THEY ARE CURRENTLY THAN THAT IS A DISCUSSION.

>> THAT IS MY CONCERN. MAYBE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS IN FAVOR OF THE CURRENT ZONING. AND THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT --

>> SO WHICH ZONING ARE YOU NOT COMFORTABLE WITH?

>> WELL IT HAS BEEN SOLD AND APPROVED.

BUT THE PROPERTY RECORD IN THE MIDDLE NORTH SHORE.

ALSO THE PORTION WHERE IT IS URBAN VILLAGE.

IT ALLOWS MIXED USE. I'M NOT SURE THAT IS

SAFEGUARDING THE PROPERTY. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT

HERE? >> YES.

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>> THAT IS ZONED CURRENTLY AS A VILLAGE PYRRHIC.

>> THAT IS WHERE I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING THAT CORRIDOR. DOES HAVE MULTIFAMILY

CAPABILITIES. >> SO THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC ZONING. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT.

THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE PROPERTY BUT THIS WAS EARMARKED FOR FORECASTED PYRRHIC.

>> FOLLOWING THE SAME GUIDELINES AS THE COLD OF THE MINIMUM OF 25% OF RESIDENTIAL. EVERYONE WAS FINE WITH THE MINIMUM. THEY JUST WANTED WORDING THAT THE RESIDENTIAL COULDN'T BE BUILT FIRST.

TO MEET 25% IS FINE. IF WE ARE LOOKING AT NOT HAVING OR LOWER RESIDENTIAL MULTI FAMILY WITHIN THAT AREA THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. TO MEET THE 25% PROTECTS US FROM

THAT PYRRHIC. >> I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS HERE OR AREAS OF DISCUSSION.

LET ME TRY THIS. I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART ON THE RIGHT. I WOULD SAY THE FORMED BASE COMMERCIAL CENTER IS PRETTY GOOD IN COMPLIANCE.

IF WE ARE COMFORTABLE THAT 25% IS A GOOD CRITERIA FOR MIXED USE IN OUR WORK COMMERCIAL CENTER. LET'S JUST KEEP THAT ON THE TABLE FOR A MINUTE. WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.

THE VILLAGE WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, MIGHT NOT BE SO CLOSE TO COMPLYING WITH AN EMPLOYEE CENTER WITH THE ZONING.

IS THAT FAIR TO SAY DOES EVERYONE AGREE WITH THAT?

YES OR NO. >> I WOULD ALSO --

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT AREA OR SOMEWHERE ELSE PYRRHIC.

>> IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAPPEN URBAN VILLAGE AREA THAT IS WHERE IT WOULD BE. IT IS AT THAT INTERSECTION

PYRRHIC. >> DOES IT COMPLY WITH LANE USE LANGUAGE IN REGARDS TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER PYRRHIC.

>> FUTURE LAND-USE PYRRHIC. >> IF YOU LOOK IT IT WAS LEFT AND LABELED AS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER.

BUT THAT ACTUAL CORRIDOR THAT WE CALL MIXED USE THAT GOT DEFINED

SPECIFICALLY PYRRHIC. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE. EVERYTHING THAT IS NORTHWEST OF THE COMMERCIAL CENTER ZONING IS RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD PYRRHIC THAT IS ALL IDENTIFIED PYRRHIC.

>> FUTURE LAND-USE PYRRHIC YOU SAID COMMERCIAL LAND USE.

>> SO HOW DOES THAT COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LAND

USE. >> IT DOESN'T.

AND AGAIN, IN THE MEETINGS, IT IS VERY TRICKY.

I AM NOT GOING TO LIVE. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH WHICH IS WHY THE REASON THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE WERE OKAY WITH CALLING THIS THE FUTURE LAND-USE PLAN AND EMPLOYMENT CENTER BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS PROJECTING OUT TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT THE AREA TO BE KNOWING IT WAS PROTECTED BY THE BASE ZONING THAT WAS THERE WHICH THEY WERE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH.

>> THAT IS THAT'S RIGHT YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MEETING SPIRIT THAT IS WHY WE WERE ABLE TO GET OVER THE HURDLE WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE BASE ZONING WAS AD IT USING THE FUTURE LAND PLAN AS A GUIDE TO SAY, NOT EVEN AS A GUIDE BUT MORE OF THE STATEMENT THAT WE WANT THIS AREA TO BE PRESERVED FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW COULD BE

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THERE BUT WE DO KNOW IT HAS POTENTIAL.

IT WAS THEIR STATEMENT SAYING WE NEED TO DO THIS AND NOT LET IT GET PLUCKED AWAY. THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE ZONING.

THIS ALLOWED US TO ADD IN LANGUAGE.

WE WROTE NEW LANGUAGE FOR THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER SO WHEN JIM AND HIS TEAM WENT OUT THERE AND PITCHED THE NORTH SHORE WE ADDED LANGUAGE THAT SAID YES, ALL OF THESE OTHER ATTRIBUTES YOU CAN DO. YOU CAN PROBABLY GO OVER THE 25%. IT IS IMPORTANT THIS COMES 1ST E COME 2ND AND THAT IS WHAT EVERYONE WAS AFRAID OF.

>> SIMULTANEOUSLY. >> I WANT TO READ THIS PORTION OF THE PACKAGE. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHTED.

IT STATES THIS AREA COMPRISES 604 ACRES IT APPEARS THE CITY INITIATED REZONING EXERCISES TO MAINTAIN CURRENT LANE USE COMPRISING OF A FOREMAN VILLAGE DISTRICT.

HOWEVER THE FUTURE PLAN RECOMMENDS THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ALLOCATIONS FOR MULTI FAMILY MEETINGS. IN ORDER TO REVISE THE REVISION PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE TO BE REZONED AROUND THE COMMERCIAL CENTER. SO --

>> IN THESE CONVERSATIONS THEY WANTED THE ENTIRE THING TO BE READ. THEY WANTED IT TO ALL BE COMMERCIAL CENTERED. AND WE HAD TO LISTEN AND SAY IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO MARKET THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT IS ALL FUTURE LAND-USE PYRRHIC THIS IS A COMPROMISE OF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT. THE REASON WE WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH IT IS BECAUSE WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BASE

ZONING. >> I THINK THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. IT WAS A COMMITTEE AND A MAJORITY VOTE AND A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL.

AND COUNSEL ADOPTED THE LAND-USE PLAN.

BUT COUNSEL ALSO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GO BACK IN AND PUT A HAND OVERLAY NP OR AS A RESULT.

-- ONE OF THE CONCERNS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEAR FREQUENTLY IS WHEN WE SEE THIS OCCURRING WITHOUT A PUBLIC

HEARING PROCESS. >> I'M SORRY.

I'M NOT LOUD ENOUGH PYRRHIC. FREQUENTLY IS WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHY IS IT A MORE DENSE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT.

IF ZONING IS IMPOLITE THERE IS EXISTING ZONING ON THE GROUND THAT ALLOWS THOSE USES THEN I CANNOT SAY IT WILL BE IN

CONFLICT PYRRHIC. >> I GUESS I WOULD LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRODUCT. THEY ARE CURRENTLY MARKETING THIS FOR SPECIFIC EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

WE JUST INITIATED A NEW CAMPAIGN PYRRHIC WE JUST INITIATED A MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO MARKET THREE DIFFERENT DISTINCT AREAS OF THE NORTH SHORE. THAT MARKETING CAMPAIGN IS NOT MARKETING FOR RESIDENTS. IF WE DON'T MAKE THE ZONING CHANGE, THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL IT WILL KEEP GETTING KICKED OFF.

I WOULD ASK JIM FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

HOW DO WE RESOLVE THAT CONFLICT COLLECTS OR SHOULD WE RESOLVE

THAT CONFLICT? >>

>> I WILL ASK YOU A QUESTION. >> THE QUESTION IS ABOUT RESOLVING IT. YOU ARE MARKETING THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA AS A NEW EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY.

>> THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER CONCEPT WAS VERY CLEAR IN THE CONVERSATIONS AS MATT MENTIONED. IT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED

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TO MAKE SURE THE MESSAGE WAS OUT THERE.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MARKETING NORTH SHORE AS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER. WHEAT SPOKE TO THE COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THE MARKET TRENDS ARE TO TRACK CORPORATE ENTITIES AND NOT ONLY HAVE A WORKING COMPONENT BUT A PLAY COMPONENT. AS A CRITICAL ELEMENT WE SEE THIS WITH MULTIPLE PROJECTS IN THE AREA.

SO THAT WAS A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION TO HAVE THAT INTEGRATED MIXED COST WE WANTED THE WORK SIDE AND THE LIVE AND THE PLAY SIDE. SO, AGAIN, I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS THEY HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH EACH OTHER.

DO THEY HAVE A CURRENT ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR MIXED RESIDENTS THE ANSWER IS YES. SHOULD WE DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING PICKED OFF.

>> AGAIN THAT IS A POLICY CONVERSATION PYRRHIC.

>> I WILL TELL YOU THE LANDOWNERS WANT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY FOR THE PROPERTY. SO THE MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPERS PLAY -- BACK PAY ONE RATE FOR CORPORATE IN BUSINESS AND OTHERS PAY A DIFFERENT RATE THERE IS A NATURAL PROTECTION BUILT IN BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SELL THEIR PROPERTIES FOR.

AND WHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY UNLESS THEY ARE DOING A MULTI

STORY ARCHITECTURE. >> BUT THAT IS TODAY.

TOMORROW THEY MAY SAY LET'S REDUCE THE PRICE.

NOW YOU HAVE A COMPETITIVE RATE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAFEGUARD NOW.

>> AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE MY BOOK CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT THEY ARE FOR A RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT ARE THE DEFINITIONS? >> THE OTHER TWO BIG SECTIONS

PYRRHIC. >> YOU WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT

TYPES PYRRHIC. >> THEY ARE NOT MULTI FAMILIES?

>> THE ONLY PART IN THERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THAT YOU WOULD

HAVE MULTI FAMILY -- >> I WANT TO HEAR HIS ANSWER

PYRRHIC. >> THOSE TWO BIG CHUNKS AT THE TOP, IT IS NOT CURRENTLY ZONED. SO IF SOMEONE WANT TO BE MULTI FAMILY THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A ZONE.

EVERYTHING THAT IS IN PURPLE PYRRHIC THAT IS THREE QUARTERS UP THAT OF OVER 1,000 ACRES. THE CITY LINE DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK IT'S RIGHT HERE. IT IS SMALLER THAN YOU THINK.

THAT IS ALL RESERVED. AT A ON RESIDENTIAL.

THE REST HAS TO BE OFFICE OR SOMETHING ELSE.

THE MIDDLE PART YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS PURPLE AREA UNDER CURRENT ZONING TO BE YOUR POTENTIAL EMPLOYMENT CENTER.

A FUTURE STATE FARM OR A FUTURE COLLEGE.

THAT PIECE IN THE MIDDLE WOULD BE A HELP.

THINK ABOUT THE HEART OF WHAT CITY LINE IS.

YOU WOULD HAVE RESTAURANTS. AND THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE HIGHER I FORGET WHAT THE PERCENTAGES.

>> URBAN VILLAGE HAS NO CAP. >> THAT COULD BE HIGH-RISES WITH THINGS ON THE BOTTOM. YOU WILL WANT PEOPLE TO BE RIGHT THERE. THAT IS YOUR LEGACY.

THE WEST PROJECT. EVERYTHING AROUND IT COULD BE CORPORATE CAMPUSES AND THE PEACE YOU WANT.

THE OTHER TOP PART IS PROTECTED AND IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL.

IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND SAID I WANT TO BUY THE WHOLE THOUSAND ACRES WE WILL LISTEN. RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO ONE DOING THAT. I THINK MY PERSONAL OPINION, WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET PICKED UP. WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT IT TO GET PICKED OFF BUT THIS PROTECTS US.

THIS IS A HUGE CHUNK OF LAND. >> SO YOU JUST SAID THE URBAN VILLAGE DOES NOT HAVE A CAP P PURE.

>>) AS I MENTIONED URBAN VILLAGE DOES NOT HAVE A CAP PURE COUPLE

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GO BACK PYRRHIC -- I WILL GO BACK.

>> SO IN ESSENCE WON OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO REALIZE IF SOMEONE CAME IN THEY COULD SAY I WANT TO BUILD ONE PARCEL WITH MY COMPONENT. AND I WILL BUILD SOMETHING ELSE HERE PYRRHIC SO YOU HAVE LOST THE ABILITY TO DO ANY.

THEN AGAIN YOU COULD CROSS THOSE OUT AND YOU COULD HAVE THE SAME THING HAPPEN. THIS IS YOUR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT. AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WANT TO CREATE THE SEPARATION OR THE LAND-USE.

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE MIXED USE IN THE MIDDLE.

>> IT MAY BE URBAN VILLAGE TOO. I'M SORRY.

>> YES, IT COULD PICK. >> THE URBAN VILLAGE SECTION I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT MATT WAS TALKING ABOUT.

IT IS RIGHT HERE PYRRHIC THAT STILL HAS THE 75-25.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DENSITY CAP. YOU CAN DO HIGH-RISES BUT IT STILL HAS THE COMMERCIAL CAP. YOU HAVE TO DO 75% COMMERCIAL.

>> IT IS NOT JUST GOING TO BE STRAIGHT RESIDENTIAL PYRRHIC.

>> IT DEPENDS ON THE PIECE OF THE PROPERTY YOU ARE DEALING WITH. SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO MORE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND THERE IS MIXED USE. THAT IS WHERE THE CONFLICT OCCURS. THAT IS THE CONVERSATION REALLY

PYRRHIC. >> THESE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS AND THAT IS WHY THESE MEETINGS TOOK SO LONG.

WE HAVE TO COME IN AND WE HAD TO SEND OUT A DEFINITION OF WHAT EACH OF THESE ZONINGS WERE AND WHAT THE PERCENTAGES WERE PYRRHIC WE HAD TO GO THROUGH EACH 11 BY ONE.

JUST LIKE TONIGHT. THAT'S WHY WE WERE ABLE TO GET TO THE COMPROMISE OF WHAT THE FUTURE LAND-USE PLAN WOULD BE.

>> OKAY PYRRHIC. >> I GUESS I WASN'T VERY CLEAR, I ALSO WANTED TO SEE WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN DOWNTOWN FOR

AN OVERLAY. >> WILL I APOLOGIZE.

>> BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. I'M SORRY.

NORTH SHORE. SO OTHER COMMENTS PYRRHIC.

>> IT PIQUED MY INTEREST I SAW SOMETHING OVER THERE.

>> HOW WOULD THIS WORK GIVEN THE RECENT -- IT TOOK AWAY OUR

AUTHORITY FOR BUILDING PRODUCTS. >> THIS ALLOWS YOU TO CREATE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS. THIS ALLOWS YOU TO DICTATE HOW THE BUILDING WILL BE USED. BUT YOU CAN CREATE PERCENTAGES IN TERMS OF CREATING THIS SITE. THIS IS HAS AN EXCELLENT DESIGN.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF USES. THIS IS INTENDED TO DEVIATE FROM THAT. SO IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE URBAN

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DEVELOPMENT WE NEED TO REALIZE URBANIZATION AND WE CAN DO THAT BY WRITING A CODE LIMITING THE REQUIREMENT AND YOU CAN BUILD A SPECIAL FORM AND EIGHT LANGUAGE. AND THEY CAN BUILD INCUBATORS.

YOU CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN REDESIGN.

SOMETIMES IT TAKES A WILD TO REALIZE THAT.

>> SO THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THE

REDEVELOPMENT. >> YES AND NO.

TYPICALLY YOU CAN HAVE A CORRIDOR THAT YOU DEDICATE.

IS IT A MEDICAL CORD OR. IS A DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR.

IT IS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER. IT CAN BE ANYTHING.

THEN YOU CAN CREATE YOUR CRITERIA SAYING THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO DO A BC AND D. THE NUMBER OF USES WITH EACH ZONING DISTRICT ARE REDUCED. YOU DON'T HAVE A LARGER LAND U

USE. >> THANK YOU.

>> TO ME IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO BREAK DOWN WHAT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT LOOKED LIKE, YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE NORTH SHORE.

WHAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING WOULD BE TO LOOK AT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR EITHER THE FORM -BASED URBAN VILLAGE AREA OR THE COMMERCIAL CENTER. THAT MAY BE WELL DEFINED.

THIS COULD BE A GREAT EXERCISE. >> JIM?

>> TYPICALLY YOU WILL GET INPUT ON WHAT THE INTERESTS ARE.

A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION WILL SHIFT IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK THIS WAY OR IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A CERTAIN FEEL.

SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE WANTED TO GO WITH EXPERIMENT WE WANT TO HAVE THAT REGARDLESS. CLIENT TO ME YOU ARE LINKS UP ON

TOP OF OTHER STUFF. >> THAT IS WHERE I WOULD COME IN. IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PURPOSE I THINK THE OVERLAY DISTRICT METHODOLOGY WORK WELL.

MY ONLY THOUGHT ON FORM -BASED CODE IS IT DOESN'T CAPTURE A LOT OF THE STUFF LIKE THE THINGS YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

YOU ARE TELLING PEOPLE WHAT YOU WANT FROM THAT NOT JUST WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT. MY ONLY CONCERN IS KYLE ADDING THE LAYERS. FOR EXAMPLE IN DOWNTOWN WE HAVE A MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. IF WE ADD AN OVERLAY, THEN YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT IS THE GOAL. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. WHAT DON'T YOU THINK YOU WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT ALL OF THE OTHER TOOLS.

TO ME I THINK SHE PUT IN HER DOCUMENT EARLIER, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN WE TESTED IT, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A DRIVING FORCE BEHIND WHAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO.

IF YOU LOOK AT A SPECIFIC AREA WITH A SPECIFIC GOAL, I THINK

THAT WILL HELP. >> WE DO HAVE CAUGHT OUR GOAL IS TO DO THIS. THE CODE WAS ADOPTED THIS IS ONE

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OF THE THINGS I WILL SAY. WE HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED A PLAN AND THAT IS A DETERRENT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY I AM GIVING YOU A BLANK SLATE.

IT MEANS YOU COULD CROSS OFF SECTIONS.

WE HAVE DRAWN SQUARE BOXES SO THAT IS GOOD IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

>>

DID YOU WANT TO MAKE? >> YES PICK.

>> DOWNTOWN HAS THIS ONE ZONE FOR IT.

AND IT DOESN'T REALLY GO INTO SPECIFICS FOR THE USES.

SO THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER AREA AND WANTED TO BRING UP YOUR IS JUST ANOTHER AREA YOU CAN LOOK AT.

>> I THINK IT IS TIME TO REVISIT SOME OF THE POINTS.

I THINK WE ARE MISSING SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE.

>>> SO MAYBE IT IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND THE IMPLEMENTATION. I THINK WE WILL FIVE -- FACT FIND GAPS. THE OTHER SIDE IS TO PUT AN

OVERLAY ON TOP OF IT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> SO MAYBE THAT IS WHERE WE GO WITH THIS.

>> DO WE HAVE A PLAN OR TIMING TO START?

>> I AM NOT ANSWERING THAT. >> I WISH WE COULD HAVE THIS DONE ALREADY. WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT PROPERTY -- PROPERLY. WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT AS A TEAM JUST BEFORE WE KICKED OFF ONE OF OUR DISCUSSIONS.

WE WANT TO GET THE PROPOSALS OUT THERE.

WE NEED TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET THE BALL ROLLING. THAT BEING SAID MY GOAL IS TO

HAVE THE PLAN. >> SO PART TWO.

CANCEL PART TWO. JUST REALLY QUICK IS, DEPENDING ON THE TITLE WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS WILL END.

IS THERE A DANGER OF SOMETHING COMING BEFORE COUNSEL THAT WILL GET US IN TROUBLE IF WE ARE NOT -- SOMETHING WE ARE NOT FORCING

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THAT'S TRACK OR FORESEEING. >> DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER MORE OF THIS. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TODAY TO DO THIS. DO WE NEED ANOTHER WORK SESSION ON THIS WHERE YOU CAN COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF OTHER IMMEDIATE ACTIONS WE CAN TAKE TO PRESERVE THE SETTLEMENT

WE HAVE. >> I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT STUDY. WE HAVE ZONING IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS FOR SPECIFIC LAND USES. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE

A POLICY THAT WE CAN DO. >> THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT NOW.

>> IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HIGH DENSITY INVOLVEMENT.

ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS HAPPENING ALREADY.

>> SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL POWWOW WITH STAFF.

WE WILL IDENTIFY SOME AREAS WE THINK ARE VULNERABLE.

THE ZONING IS NOT SET UP AND WE WILL BRING BACK A WORK SESSION TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. DO YOU WANT TWO WEEKS?

>> I HAVE ALREADY HAD A ONE WEEK HOLIDAY SO I SHOULD HAVE IT

READY ALREADY. >> CAN YOU LET ME CHEW ON IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEN I WILL COME BACK.

>> THAT IS FAIR. >>

>> IT IS A TOUGH ISSUE. >> THANK YOU.

>> COUNSEL WE ARE GOING TO PULL ITEM 7C.

[4. DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE POOLED FOR CONSIDERATION OR ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OTHER ITEMS?

>>) WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA TONIGHT.

SO

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