3.A. Conduct interview of applicants to fill a vacancy for an unexpired term on the Rowlett Housing Finance Corporation (HFC) Board of Directors. (Part 1 of 2)

[3.A. Conduct interview of applicants to fill a vacancy for an unexpired term on the Rowlett Housing Finance Corporation (HFC) Board of Directors. (Part 1 of 2)]

I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR AGENDA.

ITEM 3 A. CONDUCT INTERVIEW TO FILL VACANT -- WE ARE MISSING A MEMBER TO THE BOARD.

HE ROLLED OVER TO BEING A COUNCILMEMBER LIAISON AND WHEN MICHAEL SHOOP ENDED US SERVICE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HE CEASED TO BE A MEMBER OF ROWLETT HOUSING CORPORATION.

THAT LEFT US WITH ONE VACANCY. WE LEFT OPEN THE WINDOW FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR A PERIOD AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY OPENED IT AGAIN BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE, I THINK WE ONLY HAD ONE OR ZERO APPLICATIONS AT THIS POINT. SO NOW FOLLOWING THAT APPLICATION WINDOW, WE HAVE THREE APPLICANTS IN FRONT OF US CHRISTINA LEE. OUR FIRST APPLICANT IS CHRISTINA LEE. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND THIS IS YOU KNOW SOMEWHAT INFORMAL BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START OFF TELLING US WHY YOU CHOSE TO APPLY FOR

THE ROLE. >> YEAH, SO, HELLO.

GOOD EVENING. I DECIDED TO APPLY FOR THIS ROLE AFTER CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I HAVE SPENT THE BETTER HALF OF MY LIFE TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ROLES.

I SPENT VERY FIRST BEGINNING OF MY LIFE AS A LIFE GUARD HERE IN ROWLETT AND TERRELL. I HAVE BEEN TRANSITIONED TO A WATER SAFETY INSTRUCTOR WHEN MY WHOLE POSITION WAS TO KEEP PEOPLE ALIVE. SO, RIGHT.

SO, AFTER THAT, I BECAME, YEAH I WENT TO THE CORPORATE WORLD.

OUR MISSION WAS TO GET INTERNET TO PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT GET INTERNET. I ACTUALLY BROUGHT WITH ME TODAY A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM THAT BOSS.

I ONLY HAVE ONE BECAUSE I HAD PROBLEMS. MY, I NOT ONLY AM GOING TO HAND TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE NEXT TO ME. I'M NOT ONLY A FOSTER PARENT AND TAKE CARE OF MY NIECE. I HAVE BEEN IN FORT WORTH TAKING CARE OF MY NIECE TONIGHT AND DID NOT HAVE TIME TO GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR 40 YEARS. SO MY ENTIRE LIFE.

BEGAN TO BE A FOCUS OF MINE BACK IN 2019 TIME PERIOD BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF HOUSING SITUATIONS MORE PEOPLE BECOMING HOMELESS, LESS APARTMENTS OPEN.

IN 2020, THERE WAS A HOUSING BOOM AND EVERYBODY BOUGHT UP ALL THE HOUSES. WE KNOW THAT HAPPENED.

BUT IT HAS BEEN A HUGE PORTION OF MY HEART TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND YOU OTHER PEOPLE DO HAVE A HOME TO LIVE IN. THAT IS WHY I CHOSE TO APPLY FOR

THIS POSITION. >> ALL RIGHT.

AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

COUNCIL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR MISS LEE?

>> MISS LEE. CARTER HOLSTON.

>> HI, NICE TO MEET YOU. >> NICE TO MEET YOU AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LIVING HERE FOR 40 YEARS.

SO YOU'RE A SEASONED VETERAN OF ROWLETT.

SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN THINGS. >> YES, SIR.

>> CAN YOU TELL HOW YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CITY.

WHAT VOLUNTEER STUFF YOU HAVE DONE.

HOW YOU HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN OUR COMMUNITY?

>> OTHER THAN BEING A LIFE GUARD, ABSOLUTELY FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS I HAVE DONE THE LIVE STREAM FOR ROWLETT CROSSROADS.

WHEN YOU, IF YOU EVER WATCH ONLINE, AT CROSSROADS, I AM BEHIND THAT. I VOLUNTEERED DOING OTHER ACTIVITIES WITH WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

I KNOW THERE WAS A BOOTH WE RAN HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN ROWLETT SPACE WHEN THERE WAS FAIR DAYS. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A YEAR OR SO. TAKING CARE OF WOMEN SPECIFICALLY THAT HAVE BEEN DISPLACED OR HAVE GONE THROUGH

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REALLY ROUGH TIMES IS WHAT I HAVE DONE RECENTLY.

>> WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ROWLETT HFS? YOU VISITED THE WEBSITE. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE

MISSION? >> I VISITED THE WEBSITE, I LOOKED ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT. IT NEEDS UPDATING.

IT'S A BIT OLD. DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING RECENT LIKE SOME OF THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND DOESN'T SAY THAT ON THERE. BUT, WHAT ELSE I KNOW IT WAS 2019 INCORPORATED CORRECTLY. I'M NOT SURE, I HAD MY NOTES BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE THEY WENT.

I KNOW THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS. THERE'S THE BUILDING THAT IS FOR SENIOR CITIZENS OR 50 PLUS BUILDING AND THE ONE RIGHT HERE NEXT DOOR THAT IS PART OF THE ROWLETT HOUSING, I AM SORRY.

I'M SHAKING BECAUSE I'M NERVOUS. >> NOBODY HERE IS GOING TO OTHER THAN THE ATTORNEY NEXT TO ME -- [LAUGHTER]

>> SHE WAS THE LEAST SCARY OF YOU ALL.

>> THANKS. IT'S OKAY IF YOU KNOW OR DON'T KNOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THIS JOB IS GOING TO ENTAIL? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU WILL BE

DOING? >> I THINK THAT MOSTLY IT'S GOING TO BE LISTEN TO GO THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN TO KEEP IT GOING. THERE ARE FROM WHAT I NOTICED ON THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE, AS IF I GOT THE JOB, Y'ALL TALK ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND WHAT IS UPCOMING.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TRUSTS IN THE HOUSING FINANCE'S NAME THAT HAVE BEEN, HAVE TO GET AUDITED I'M SURE.

THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

SO, THOSE ARE THE THINGS I EXPECT THAT IS GOING TO ENTAIL.

AM I INCORRECT? >> GOT ME.

>> YOU JUST ASK THE QUESTIONS. >> HONESTLY AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE 40 YEARS. YOU HAVE A WEALTH OF ENGAGEMENT INTERACTION IN THE COMMUNITY WHAT I READ.

AND I LOOK AT YOUR EXPERIENCE AND VERY BROAD ESPECIALLY IN THE PROJECT MANAGING. YOU BRING LOTS OF THINGS.

THAT SAID, OUT OF ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHERE YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE A GOOD FIT, WHY THIS ONE?

>> LIKE I WAS SAYING, HOUSING IS A BIG ISSUE FOR MY IN MY LIFE.

I NEVER STRUGGLED WITH HAVING HOUSING TO LIVE IN, BUT I HAVE FRIENDS, I HAVE TAKEN IN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.

I HAVE BEEN A FOSTER PARENT WHERE CHILDREN LOST THEIR HOUSING AND THEY HAD TO GO INTO THE SYSTEM.

THERE IS A LOT OF OR THEY HAVE GOTTEN KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. IT'S JUST VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO

MY HEART. >> THANK YOU CHRISTINE FOR APPLYING. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

MY NAME IS MIKE. YOU MENTIONED TAKING CARE OF A FAMILY MEMBER. NOW THIS BOARD DOES NOT MEET ON THE SAME FREQUENCY AS SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. BUT YOU DO HAVE THE CAPACITY WHEN THEY MEET TO BE AVAILABLE FOR MEETINGS?

>> YES, SIR. I DO TAKE CARE OF MY NIECE.

SHE IS A TEENAGER. IT'S NOT LIKE I LEFT HER AT HOME TONIGHT. SHE'S FINE.

BUT YES, I DO HAVE FAMILY OBLIGATIONS BUT I WILL BE FINE.

>> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> TELL US ABOUT I'M FAMILIAR WITH YOUR CHURCH AND YOU DO COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT PROJECTS.

>> YEAH, SERVE DAY. SO, SHOCKINGLY, WE DO A LOT OF SERVE DAY EVENT OR PROJECTS WITH GENESIS WOMEN'S SHELTER.

THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER SHELTER THAT WAS BOARDING OUR HOUSING FOR WOMEN. AND MOST OF THE TIME, I'M ON THOSE. ALTHOUGH THIS LAST YEAR, I WAS

SICK AND DID HAVE TO SKIP. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> I SEE THE RECOMMENDATION LETTER.

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>> I'M SO SORRY. IWAS LIKE WHAT?

>> JUST WANT TO TAKE A WALK. HE WAS SAYING REMEMBER THAT

TOURNAMENT THING. >> SO CHRISTINA, FOR JUST A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON WHAT THE HFC DOES BECAUSE CARTER OPENED THAT BOARD. HFC IS IN PLACE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO FOLKS THROUGH A COUPLE DIFFERENT VEHICLES. MOST RECENT VEHICLE IS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IF I COULD BE SO BOLD TO SAY THAT.

THAT MIGHT BE IN THEIR CURRENT MISSION STATE.

THE WAY AND HOW THE FINANCING CORPORATION WORKS IS TO PARTNER WITH DEVELOPER, CONSTRUCT PROPERTIES AND PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES THAN ONES THAT AREN'T PAYING TAXES GENERALLY. THE HFC OPERATES AS NON-PROFIT AND GET TAX CREDITS AND PARTNER WITH TDHCA.

TEXAS DEPARTMENT HOUSING COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.

THEY ALSO PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR NEW HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS AS WELL.

ANOTHER GREAT RESOURCE. AND SO, YOU KNOW THAT'S KIND OF REALLY WHAT THIS BOARD HAS DONE. IT WAS ESTABLISHED LIKE YOU SAID BACK IN 2019, RELATIVELY NEW THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THE LEGISLATION ALLOWING FOR HFC WAS ONLY PASSED IN THE LATE 2010.

IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT CAME AFTER THE LEGISLATION GOT PASSED TO ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO EXIST.

OUR HFC HAS DONE A COUPLE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.

WE HAD A THIRD WE WERE LOOKING AT AND ULTIMATELY DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH. BUT YEAH, THE TWO PROPERTIES WE HAVE AFTER SOME EFFORT HAVE DONE WELL.

I THINK WE'RE REALLY EXCITE BODY BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND WHAT THEY BRING TO THE COMMUNITIES IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR SENIORS AND ALSO FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA ADDING DENSITY TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES.

MIKE SERVES AS A BOARD MEMBER AND OTHERS ARE ONE IS A REAL ESTATE AGENT AND ONE IS A VOLUNTEER.

THERE'S NOT SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OR BACKGROUND REQUIRED. CERTAINLY COMPASSION FOR FULFILLING THE ROLE IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

YOU GUYS ARE STILL MEETING ON A MONTHLY BASIS, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND MEETINGS ARE AN HOUR AND A HALF,

TWO HOURS. >> TYPICALLY.

SO GENERALLY, LIKE THIRD THURSDAY.

THIRD MONDAY? DO YOU HAVE A SET CADENCE.

MORE OR LESS WHAT COMES UP THAT NEEDS ADDRESSING.

IF THERE'S FINANCE ISSUES. >> THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE

MONTH. >> OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? >> NO.

I THINK WHEN WERE GOING TO MEET WITH MY REALLY BIG QUESTION.

YOU ANSWERED IT. SO BECAUSE I LOOKED AND I DIDN'T SEE IT IN ANY OF THE PAPERWORK OR ON THE WEBSITE.

SO I WAS CURIOUS. >> ALL RIGHT.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. COUNCIL, ANY LAST QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE IT.

WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION FOLLOWING THIS AND COME TO A CONCLUSION PRETTY SOON. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT APPLICANT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IS BRANDLINE ROGERS. DO YOU MIND GRABBING HER? SO BRANDLINE IS NOT HERE? OKAY.

LET'S BRING VALENCIA IN. VALENCIA, HAVE A SEAT.

WELCOME, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

OF COURSE. >> SO THANK YOU FOR APPLYING TO THE FINANCE HOUSING CORPORATION. I'M JEFF.

I'M THE MAYOR AND WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL CITY SECRETARY AND ATTORNEY AROUND THE TABLE. WE WILL GO AROUND AND ASK QUESTIONS. CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU APPLIED

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AS A POSITION ON THE HFC. >> AGO, I AM VALENCIA, MY LAST NAME IS FESTIVE HOW YOU SPELL IT.

WHY I PLIED FOR THE POSITION. I HAVE OVER A DECADE OF EXPERIENCE IN THE HOUSING INDUSTRY I HAVE DONE THAT ACROSS THE NATION. ON THE ONE HAND, I HAVE SEEN HOW AMAZING AND HOW GREAT IT COULD BE.

BUT THEN ON THE OTHER HAND ESPECIALLY DURING COVID, I HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND HOW COMPANIES CAN PUT PROFITS BEFORE PEOPLE.

THAT IS SOMETHING I SIMPLY DON'T AGREE WITH PERSONALLY.

SO TO BE A PART OF THIS BOARD WOULD BE A GREAT FULL CIRCLE MOMENT FOR ME AS A WAY TO POSITIVELY IMPACT INTO THAT.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL, OPEN THE FLOOR.

QUESTIONS. >> CARTER.

>> I'M AGING SO SOMETIMES DON'T HEAR EVERYTHING.

CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID POST COVID AND HOW HOUSING --

>> SO I WILL SHARE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.

DURING COVID I WAS IN OFF CAMPUS STUDENT HOUSING AND HAD A STUDENT, THIS IS IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.

WE HAD A STUDENT WHO LIVED IN NEW YORK CITY.

SHE APPLIED FOR THE HOUSING ANTICIPATING SHE WOULD BE LIVING THERE. SHE NEVER MOVED TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF COVID. MY PROPERTY OWNERSHIP GROUP WANTED ME TO GO OVER HER AND TRY TO EVICT HER.

I'M LIKE IT'S COVID AND SHE DOESN'T LIVE HERE.

I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT. SO MY MOTIVATION IS JUST TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THEIR RIGHTS. YOU KNOW WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE BUT ALSO JUST TO HELP SERVE OTHERS.

>> THANK YOU. >> TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH YOU SAID YOU HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN HOUSING. TELL US ABOUT THAT IF YOU DON'T

MIND. >> OF COURSE, I HAVE HELPED IN STUDENT HOUSING, OFF CAMPUS STUDENT HOUSING.

I HAVE DONE SENIORS AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WAY EASIER THAN THE STUDENTS, IT WAS NOT. I HAVE DONE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I HAVE DONE TRADITIONAL. RECENTLY, I WAS WORKING AT A B B LIVING. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. THEY'RE HOMES YOU JUST RENT.

YOU DON'T RENT TO OWN THEM. YOU JUST RENT THEM.

YOU GET THE FEEL OF A HOME BUT ALL THE AMENITIES IF YOU WILL OF AN APARTMENT. I DID DONE EACH ROLE OR SECTOR

>> WHEN YOU SAID YOU HAD EXPERIENCE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IN WHAT ROLE AND HOW, WHAT DID

YOU DO IN THAT? >> THAT WAS AN INTERESTING SEASON OF MY LIFE. I WAS A TRAVELLING OPERATIONS SPECIALIST. SO BASICALLY THEY WOULD SEND A GROUP OF US TO SOME OF THE MORE STRUGGLING COMMUNITIES.

IT COULD BE STRUGGLING FOR A COUPLE DIFFERENT REASONS.

MAYBE IT WAS SHORT STAFF. THERE WAS ISSUES GOING ON.

WE WOULD GET DEPLOYED THERE FOR TWO WEEKS AT A TIME AND WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.

WHY IT'S GOING ON AND COME UP WITH A GAME PLAN.

HOPEFULLY WITHIN TWO WEEKS. SOMETIMES IT COULD TAKE LONGER.

FOR THE AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY, THAT WAS FUN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME LEGAL RESTRAINTS THAT YOU HAVE BUT ALSO THERE'S STILL AN OBLIGATION YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS ARE HAPPY AND WANT TO LIVE THERE. I HAD A RESIDENT CRY BECAUSE SHE FELT IGNORED BECAUSE SHE FELT THE PREVIOUS STAFF DOESN'T RESOLVE A WORK ORDER. IT WAS SOMETHING SIMPLE.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN THE HEART OF SERVING PEOPLE AND TAKING CARE

OF OTHERS. >> AND I NOTICE YOU'RE RELATIVELY NEW RESIDENT OF ROWLETT.

HOW DID YOU CHOOSE ROWLETT? >> MY HUSBAND CHOSE ROWLETT.

I MARRIED HIM AND HE LIVES HERE. >> GOOD ANSWER.

>> MY NAME IS MIKE. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

AS A SENIOR, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF MY FELLOW SENIORS FOR BEING DIFFICULT. I NOTICE YOU STILL WORK.

THE HOUSING FINANCE BOARD TYPICALLY MEETS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. A LOT OF TIMES DURING THE DAY TIME. SOMETIMES IN THE MORNING OR AFTERNOON, DO YOU HAVE THE AVAILABILITY OR FLEXIBILITY TO

BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS? >> ACTUALLY, I DON'T WORK

ANYWHERE. >> I MISSED THAT.

YOU STILL SERVE AS CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER.

>> THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL COMPANY.

I HAVE A BUSINESS. OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> BYRON. >> I SEE YOU CHOSE THIS ONE.

AGAIN, I SEE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS, VERY IMPRESSIVE.

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DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE OTHER BOARDS? YES OR NO AND WHY THIS ONE? WHY DID YOU FOCUS ON THIS ONE?

>> THIS ONE STOOD OUT TO ME THE MOST BECAUSE OF MY EXPERIENCE.

DEFINITELY OPEN TO PURSUING OTHER WAYS TO SERVE IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE,

THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD FIT. >> SO, LOOKING AT THIS BOARD AND KNOWING THAT YOU'RE COMING TO APPLY, I'M ASSUME DID YOU RESEARCH AND LOOKED AT IT. COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR RESEARCH AND WHAT YOU HAVE COME TO UNDERSTAND THE BOARD DOES.

>> YES. SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, THE MISSION IS TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE AND THEN TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT, THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY AND THEN THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AS WELL.

ONE CATERED MORE TO MULTIPLE HOME BUYERS OR SECOND TIME HOME BUYERS AND VETERANS AND THEN THERE'S A SINGLE OR THE FIRST

TIME HOME BUYERS PROGRAM. >> COUNCIL, OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> LET ME POSE A THEORETICAL QUESTION.

LET'S JUST SAY THAT YOU WERE ON THIS BOARD AND HAD A CHOICE AND THE CHOICE WAS WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A MULTIFAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT OR WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FUNDS AND PROVIDE FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE? WHERE YOU LAND? JUST THEORETICAL.

>> MY ONLY CONCERN IS BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, AND I SERVED A COMMUNITY IN MANOR. THEY HAD AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT THE PRICES FOR RENT WAS BASED ON THE COMMUNITIES, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE COMING FROM AUSTIN.

SO THEIR SALARIES WERE EXCEEDINGLY HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IN MANOR. MY CONCERN WOULD BE HOW WOULD THE RENT BE DETERMINED? WOULD IT BE BASED ON PEOPLE PERHAPS COMING FROM DALLAS COMMUTING OR WOULD IT BE BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA OF ROWLETT? BUT I WOULD PREFER THAT OPTION AS LONG AS THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF SAFETY NET.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US?

>> WHAT IS, I KNOW WHAT THE MISSION IS.

BUT TRULY WHAT IS THE I GUESS THE MOTIVATION FOR THE ONE GOAL LIKE IF YOU ALL JUST HAD ONE GOAL THAT YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH AND SAY THIS WAS A SUCCESS. WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE?

>> WELL THAT'S TOO HARD. LET ME TALK TO THE ATTORNEY.

I THINK THAT, MAYOR, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE IT?

>> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE MISSION OF THE HFC HAS EBBED AND FLOWED OVER TIME. INITIALLY WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED, I BELIEVE IT WAS ESTABLISHED WITH THE INTENT OF FORMING UP PARTNERSHIPS WITH DEVELOPERS WHO PROVIDE FOR SENIOR OPPORTUNITIES. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL OBJECTIVE.

FROM THAT, WE GOT ONE SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND ONE TRADITIONAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. BOTH OF THOSE ARE OPEN AND OPERATING AND HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN THEM, WHICH IS GREAT.

HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY OTHER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS SINCE THAT TIME AS WELL. WHAT WE HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM OUR RESIDENTS IS SLOW DOWN ON THE APARTMENTS.

TAP THE BRAKES OR IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIFAMILY, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE RIGHT SETTING WITH THE RIGHT COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE BUILT IN CONJUNCTION SO WE'RE NOT JUST FLOWING UP ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. FOR ME, THE CURRENT MISSION OF THE HFC IS ALMOST TO ENSURE THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS OPERATING ARE WELL MAINTAIND AND CARED FOR. PROVIDE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, LOOKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS. SO, CARTER ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT MULTIFAMILY VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY.

PRIMARY, THE MISSION IS TO PROVIDE ON SINGLE FAMILY.

DIDN'T MEAN YOU HAVE THE WRONG ANSWER.

THERE'S MORE DEPTH TO THE QUESTION THAN JUST A VERSUS B.

A HAS MANY SUB BULLET POINTS THAT YOU CAN DEFINITELY ADDRESS.

SO, YOU KNOW THERE'S THE HFC, THERE'S A FOUNDATION THAT HAS

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BEEN FUNDED BY THESE TWO PROJECTS AS WELL.

LOOKING AT WAYS THAT THE ON GOING FUNDING FROM THE HFC AND THE FOUNDATION DOLLARS CAN BENEFIT OUR EXISTING OR NEW RESIDENTS TO LET'S SAY SOMEONE IS HAVING TROUBLE JUST MAINTAINING THEIR HOME BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S A SHUT IN OR SENIOR OR DON'T HAVE MOBILITY, LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SUPPLEMENT AND HELP THOSE FOLKS IS WHAT THE MISSION IS RIGHT NOW IN MY MIND.

I COULD BE OFF BASE. IF YOU HAD ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS SINCE I STEPPED AWAY FROM THE HFC, MAYBE THE WHOLE MISSION CHANGED. THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN MIND FOR

HOW THE HFC WAS GOING TO BE. >> I WILL GIVE YOU A 30,000 FOOT VIEW. HIS VIEW IS MUCH MORE DETAILED BECAUSE HE'S BRIGHTER THAN ME. THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW IS TO HELP THE CITIZENS. REALLY THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL DO THERE TO HAPPEN.

ONE IS A SENIOR PROJECT THAT IS VERY SUCCESSFUL, THEY HAVE COMMUNITY AND IT REALLY DOES US GOOD TO HEAR THE STORIES OF THAT COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER BE IT IN CHURCH GROUP OR BE IT IN ACTIVITIES OR WHATEVER. BUT, THAT SENIOR COMPLEX, IT MAKES US ALL FEEL REALLY WELL THAT WE PROVIDED THAT AS A GENERAL PARTNER AND ALL THAT FOR OUR SENIORS.

THEN, 190 MAIN, THE PREMIUM LOCATION WE HAVE MADE IT AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY. AND UP AND DOWN 190 IS A GREAT STORY. AS THE MAYOR SAID, WE'RE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN CONTINUING NOW FOR MULTIFAMILY.

LIKE YOU SAID, THE CITIZENS HAVE SAID TAP THE BRAKES ON THAT.

BUT I THINK THE 30,000 VIEW IS THE RIGHT ANSWER WHICH IS, WE PROVIDE HELP FOR OUR CITIZENS. WE LOOK THROUGH THEIR LENS.

>> WITH THAT IN MIND, DOES THAT GIVE YOU CONCERNS IN SERVING IN

THIS CAPACITY? >> NO, MAKES ME EXCITED.

>> COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP DURING THE MONOLOGUES? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VALENCIA, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN. WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION LATER TONIGHT ABOUT WHO WE HAVE HEARD FROM TODAY AND MAKE A DECISION. YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO OR STICK AROUND. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY.

IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. DEBBIE, DO YOU MIND GIVING RANDALL A CALL. JUST TO SEE IF SHE'S GOING TO MAKE IT. COUNCIL, I SUGGEST WE JUST HANG ON THE REST OF THIS ITEM AND ANY SORT OF DELIBERATION UNTIL THE END OF MEETING. I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE OTHER HOT TOPICS OF OUR AGENDA.

AND SO WE'LL HAVE DEBBIE WORK ON GETTING THAT INFORMATION.

NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 3 B, WHICH IS RECEIVE A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 77 DEVELOPMENT CODE AND 66 TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ESTABLISH ELECTRIC VEHICLE PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

HOW ABOUT WE TAKE A RECESS, JUST AS SOON AS DEBBIE COMES

[3.B. Receive a presentation and discuss an ordinance amending Chapter 77 ("Development Code") and Chapter 66 ("Traffic and Vehicles") of the Code of Ordinances to Establish Electric Vehicle (EV) Parking and Charging Infrastructure Requirements for Commercial Development.]

>> AND WE ARE BACK IN OUR WORK SESSION.

RESUMING WITH 3 D. ALREADY READ THE ITEM INTO THE RECORD. WE WILL GET THE PRESENTATION

PULLED UP AND START MR. BOWERS. >> THANK YOU.

BEFORE I GO TO THE PRESENTATION, I WILL GIVE YOU GRAND SCALE AND BRING BACK TO ROWLETT ON STATISTICS.

ULTIMATELY, AS OF JULY 14TH, TODAY IS THE 20TH.

SIX DAYS AGO, OUR TEXAS VEHICLE REGISTRATION NUMBERS WE HAVE, 500,000 IN THE STATE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

THAT'S A HINDRANCE TO CITIZENS OF TEXAS.

SO THEY DON'T LET YOU DO VEHICLE REGISTRATION CHECKS FROM THE CITY LEVEL. DALLAS COUNTY AND ROCKWALL COUNTY, WE HAVE 137,000 WITH CURRENTLY AROUND 300 CHARGERS

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GIVE OR TAKE. ULTIMATELY, ONE THING I ALSO WANT TO SHARE BEFORE I GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, I'M SURE A NUMBER OF US HAVE USED GAS BUDDY LOOKING FOR GAS STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. PLUG SHARE IS WHAT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE USES. WE HAVE 422 COMMENTS ABOUT HOW OUR CHARGERS ARE NOT GOOD. HEY THESE THINGS DON'T WORK.

JUST GIVING YOU NOTICE WHAT IS GOING ON.

ULTIMATELY WITH COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND SPEAKING TO EMILY, OUR PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER, THERE ARE SOME AMENDMENTS IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU ON YOUR PAPERS.

SO IF YOU LOOK FOR THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED AS OPPOSED TO WHAT DIFFERENT CITIZENS SAID.

ON THIS PRESENTATION, YOU WILL SEE THESE ARE THE OLD NUMBERS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT. SO, MOVING FORWARD HERE, THE NEW NUMBER INSTEAD OF 20, IT'S ACTUALLY 250.

BUT ULTIMATELY THIS IS THIS IS COMMERCIAL.

250 OFF SPACE PARKING TO ALLOW FOR CHARGING, EV CONDUIT.

I WILL GIVE YOU DEFINITIONS ABOUT THE EV A LITTLE LATER.

CONDUIT, THINK ABOUT WIRING AND MAKING SURE THINGS ARE READY FOR THE FUTURE. OPERATIONAL CHARGERS SO PEOPLE CAN CHARGE IN THEIR CARS. ON THE PAPER YOU GAVE YOU, THE PHYSICAL COPY IS 60% YEAR OR YEAR, OUR ELECTRICAL VEHICLES HAVE STARTED GROWING IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THEY ARE STARTING TO BE FASTLY ADOPTED IN THE STATE.

INSTALLING THEM THIS THE FRONT END OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COST ABOUT $11,000. WHEREAS RETROFITTING LIKE WAL-MART TOOK THREE MONTHS AND DOUBLE THE PRICE.

AROUND $33,000. ULTIMATELY, DOING THIS ON THE FRONT END THAT HAS THE MAGNITUDE OF 250 PARKING SPACES OR MORE IS MORE COST EFFICIENT FOR THEM AND WORKING WITH VICTORIA, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ENFORCEABLE.

THAT PORTION WE WILL TALK ABOUT LATER.

IT SPEAKS ABOUT YOU CAN'T BE A NON-EV AND CAN'T PARK THERE WITH YOUR EV FOR MORE THAN FOUR HOURS.

THAT'S WHAT THE FINE OF $200 IS PUSHED FORWARD.

HERE'S THE ORDINANCE STRUCTURE. CHAPTER 77, THAT IS THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT. WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON, FORGIVE ME, I THINK I, THERE WE GO. I KNOW IT BETTER THAN I THOUGHT I DID. LOOK ON EV READY.

THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE TO 5% AS WELL.

WITH THE NEW NUMERICAL VALUE AT 250, 5% IS ACTUALLY 12 AND A HALF. JUST MIRRORING WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AT WAL-MART. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO TO THE SMALL BUSINESSES. ULTIMATELY, THAT 10%, THAT EV RATE IS TO INSTALL PANELS, ALLOCATING FOR FUTURE USE SHOULD THEY SEE AN INCREASE AND NEED TO DO THAT WITHOUT COSTING THE BUSINESS MORE MONEY TO GO BACK AND CHARGE TO THE NEW STATE.

2%, SO IF YOU HAVE 250 SPACES, YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING IN 5 CHARGES. WAL-MART HAS 300 SPACES AND 4 CHARGERS WITH THE CAPACITY TO CHARGE EIGHT VEHICLES.

THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF ZONING AND CODE AMENDMENT.

THE TRAFFIC AMENDMENT, CHAPTER 66, IF YOU LOOK OVER THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR-HOUR LIMIT OVER HERE.

MAXIMUM PARKING TIME. THAT'S HOW LONG YOU CAN STAY THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE OUT A LOT OF FINES BUT MORE THAN FOUR HOURS, IT WOULD BE A $200 FINE.

ONE THING I DIDN'T TOUCH ON AND VI VICTORIA AND I TALKED ABOUT, OTHER CITIES THAT ADOPTED THIS HAD PROBLEMS WITH MAINTENANCE OF THE CHARGERS.

IN OUR ORDINANCE, WE TALK ABOUT MAINTAINING HOW THIS FALLS ON THE COMMERCIAL ENTITY TO TRY TO SAVE THE CITIZENS TAXPAYER DOLLARS. MOVING FORWARD, THESE ARE KEY REQUIREMENTS. FOR VIEWABILITY.

IT SHOULD BE 5%. THIS IS THE E V-READY SPACES.

OPERATIONAL CHARGES STAYS AT TWO AND SPACE.

YOU SEE A MINIMUM WITH 132 INCHES OR 11 FEET AND 20 FEET IN LENGTH FOR EV SPACE AND KEY STAT ABOUT THE FOUR HOUR TIME COMMITMENT. ULTIMATELY, ACCESSIBILITY AND DESIGN. THIS TALKS ABOUT WHAT YOU WILL SEE. WAL-MART IS SET UP LIKE THIS.

THEY WERE AHEAD OF THE GAME. AS FAR AS SIGNAGE.

ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING IS ALREADY THERE.

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PAVEMENT AND THAT'S CURRENTLY HOW OURS IS SET UP NEAR OUR CHICK-FIL-A ON THE DALLAS COUNTY SIDE OF ROWLETT AND OUR ACCESS SLOPE NO MORE THAN 1 OR 2% AND OBSTRUCTIONS TO THE CHARGERS FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS. AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. GOES INTO DEPTH ON THE FAQ DOCUMENT. IF THIS IS NOT AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, WE HOPE YOU DON'T PARK THERE.

NOT ACTIVELY PARKING THERE. THE FIVE SPACES, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO PARK THERE AND MOVE INTO OUR BUSINESS OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING SIMPLY BECAUSE NO ONE IS USING IT.

AND THE FOUR-HOUR TIME LIMIT WE TOUCHED ON.

STAFF SUPPORT NEEDED. WE HAVE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE AND COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT THE PART THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT THE MOST TOO, THERE'S NO INTENDED FISCAL WITH THIS.

IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR FAQ, THERE'S NO NEW CITY DEPARTMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE STOOD UP OR TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT COMES FROM THIS FOR THIS ORDINANCE AND POLICY TO WORK.

AND THEN LASTLY, IT'S JUST THE RECOMMENDATION AND NEXT STEPS.

JUST WALKING THROUGH. IF WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, ASK QUESTIONS TODAY AND BUILD THE CONSENSUS MOVING FORWARD, IT WOULD BE STEP ONE IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE PLANNING AND ZONE COMMISSION AND PUBLIC NOTICE HEARINGS. THAT IS THE PRESENTATION AND THE NEED TO KNOW FACTS. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COUNCIL, QUESTIONS? >> YEAH TREY, GOOD JOB ON THAT.

I AM JUST GOING TO BE PRETTY BLUNT.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF A BUSINESS WANTS TO DO THAT INVESTMENT ON THEIR OWN LIKE WAL-MART DID.

I THINK MARVIN SAID THE SHELL STATION MILLER AND ROWLETT ROAD.

MY FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE IS HAVING A MANDATE.

I REALLY THINK THAT'S A DETRIMENT TO NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN HERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M A BUSINESS GUY AND A FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE GUY.

I HAVE A REAL FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE WITH HAVING A MANDATE THAT NEW BUSINESSES THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN PERCENTAGE OF THEIR PARKING SPOTS FOR EV.

>> I AM IN LINE WITH THAT. I DO SEE IT.

IN IT WAS ONLY FOR MULTIFAMILY. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, BUYING EV, YOU CHARGE AT YOUR HOUSE AND IT'S A LONG PROCESS.

TO TAKE AWAY, RETAIL DEPENDS ON RESTAURANTS AND TO HAVE A CAR SITTING THERE, SOMEBODY DROPS IT OFF AND GOES HOME AND PICKS IT UP, THAT TAKES MONEY. I'M IN FAVOR IF IT'S LIMITED TO MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND VERY LARGE OFFICE PLACES BUT, I'M IN LINE WITH MR. BRITTON. WHEN YOU GET TO RETAIL AND OTHER COMMERCIAL. I WOULD BE OPPOSED.

>> TO BYRON, MOVING FROM 20 SPACES IS SUPER SIGNAL.

THE AVERAGE CHICK-FIL-A CAN BRING 50 PARKING SPACES.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD IN PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL MULTIDEVELOPMENT WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH CHARGERS AT THIS POINT.

THEY ALL HAVE THAT MANY PARKING SPOTS.

AT LEAST FIVE. TO YOUR POINT, I SEE WHO YOUR SAYING. THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND HOW DO WE MAKE THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT WE DON'T EFFECT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS.

THAT'S WHERE THE FLESH HOLD CHANGED FROM 20 TO 250 TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CAPACITY, THERE NEEDS TO BE VOLUME THERE ALREADY. IF WE TAKE FIVE SPACES OUT OF 250, WHICH IS 2%. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS MOVED TO THAT. WE WOULDN'T DEAL WITH THIS IS A SMALL BUSINESS THAT NEEDS HELP. THAT IS WHY WE ALSO CHANGED IT AND MOVED THE THRESHOLD SIGNIFICANTLY UP COMPARED TO

WHERE IT WAS. >> THE BUSINESSES, THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY. SO THEY FEEL IT'S THEIR BEST INTEREST TO HAVE ONE, THEY WILL PUT IT IN.

TO COMPEL OR FORCE THEM, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ADD TO THEIR AMENITY OR PROFIT. I THINK IT DOES PUT A BURDEN ON

THAT. >> THE BURDEN YOU SPEAK OF, I'M JUST GIVING YOU FACTS OF WHAT I LOOKED UP.

RETROFITTING ANYTHING COST A MINIMUM TWO TO THREE TIMES TO PUT IN THE BEGINNING. THE PEOPLE YOU TRY TO ATTRACT BY

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DOING THIS AGE RANGE GOING FROM 35 TO 65 AND THEIR INCOME THRESHOLD IS AROUND $140,000 TO $150,000.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND GO FROM A TO B UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE A NUCLEUS OF COMMENTS PEOPLE COMING HERE. IF THEY DO IT IN THE BEGINNING, IT'S CHEAPER THAN THE BACK END. BUT I SEE YOUR POINT.

>> YOU KNOW THE GOVERNMENT EVEN TRIED TO PUSH THIS OUT AND DO GRANTS AND STUFF. THE CITY GOT SOME OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER THINGS AND AT THAT POINT, THEY ALL, IT JUST KIND OF WENT AWAY AND DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I WAS LOOKING UP STUFF TOO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE HAD. AND WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKED LIKE FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF. I WAS LOOKING AT THE CITIES AND SAID WHAT CITIES CURRENTLY HAVE THESE IN PLACE AND I COULDN'T FIND ONE. DID YOU HAVE ANY?

>> IF YOU LOOK ON THE DOCUMENT, THERE ARE SOME.

THIS IS ABOUT ON THE RIGHT COLUMN, BOX 3.

ACTUALLY, SO IF YOU LOOK AT PLANO, PLANO, FRISCO AND ALLEN HAVE SIMILAR LEGISLATION TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

SOME OF THEM REQUIRE DIFFERENT NUMBER OF CHARGES.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING. ULTIMATELY, SOME OF THEM REQUIRE ANYWHERE FROM 40 SPACES IS THEIR THRESHOLD.

THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE LEGISLATION ON THE TABLE.

>> SO WHEN THIS INITIALY WENT OUT AND HAD 20 SPACES, IT SENT SHOCK WAVES ACROSS THE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE.

THEY WERE SENDING E-MAILS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

THEY WERE GOING IT'S GOING TO BANKRUPT US.

DON'T DO THIS. MY THINKING IS, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S 250 SPOTS, CHRISTOF -- IN REALISTIC.

NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE THAT HAVE 250

SPOTS? >> IT WOULD BE A 75,000 SQUARE FOOT BUSINESS. USUALLY ONE SPACE PER 300 SQUARE

FEET OF BUSINESS. >> FOR MOST OF THE TYPES OF

BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE CODE. >> FOR WAL-MART IN PARTICULAR.

I LOOKED UP WAL-MART TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND AROUND 200,000 SQUARE FEET. DIVIDE THAT BY 300 AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 12 EV SPACES FOR THE WAL-MART.

SO IT'S SO 75,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE THE MINIMUM IN MOST CASES. ON UP FROM THERE.

THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO REQUIRE 250 SPACES.

THIS IS THE 75,000 SQUARE FOOT BUSINESS.

>> THAT'S THE RETAIL? >> THAT'S RETAIL.

MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT UNITS. THAT WOULD DRIVE THAT MORE.

>> HE ANSWERED THAT SAYING OR SOMEBODY DID SAYING, HE SAID OR THEY WERE COMMERCIAL. SO I FIGURED IT WOULD AFFECT

THEM. >> AND THE PARKING DIFFERENT IS

NOT BASED ON SQUARE FOOT. >> IT'S BASED ON NUMBER OF

BUSINESSES. >> WELL, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THAT RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE MORE STUFF ON THIS. SORRY.

>> I WILL CHIME BECAUSE I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AS WELL.

I WILL TELL YOU, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T DRIVE AN EV VEHICLE, BUT THOSE WHO CHOOSE OBVIOUSLY MAD RESPECT TO THAT.

FOR THOSE WHO DON'T, LIKE US, I STILL HAVE RESPECT FOR IT.

BUT IT COMES OUT OF POCKET PERSPECTIVES, TO ME, IF A BUSINESS OWNER WANTS TO HAVE THEM BY CHOICE, I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT'S I THINK 11,000 COMPARED TO 30,000 RETROFIT THAT LATER.

I'M JUST GOING TO STRUGGLE VERY HARD IN MANDATING A BUSINESS TO FORCE THEM TO PUT AN EV STATION IN SUCH A CHOICE OF THE CONSUMER TO EVEN BUY THEM. MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO YOUR POINT, THEY HAVE GONE WITH THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO GET THAT DONE AND DID NOT SUCCEED VERY WELL IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THERE WAS BILLIONS PROVIDED AND VERY FEW EVER BUILT. PROVING THE POINT OF THE VALUE OF THE EV CAR AND JUST THE FACT THAT THE THRESHOLD OF PUBLIC TO ACTUALLY BUILD THOSE PIECES OF IT.

I WOULD NOT SUPPORT A MANDATE OF ANY NATURE THAT COMES DOWN THAT LINE AS EFFECTIVE AS THEY MAY VERY WELL BE, MANDATE A BUSINESS TO FORCIBLY DO THAT WOULD ONLY BE THE LARGEST OF THE LARGEST.

THE SMALL GUYS WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.

THE MANDATE IS THE KEY WORD THAT HAS A PROBLEM FOR ME.

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>> YEAH. >> IT'S LOGICAL WHAT YOU SAID MAKES SENSE TO SOME DEGREE. THE TERM MANDATE BECOMES A

PROBLEM. >> A MANDATE BY IMPLEMENTATION.

ULTIMATELY TO YOUR POINT, CHRIS, NOT TRYING TO SWAY YOU.

THIS WOULDN'T EFFECT ANY SMALLER BUSINESS BECAUSE THE THRESHOLD

MOVING UP. >> JUST THE TERM MANDATE IS THE WORD. IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE TO DO SO, BY ALL MEANS, INVEST YOUR MONEY, $11,000 TIME FOUR SPOTS, EIGHT SPOTS. THEY WILL SPEND $100,000.

THE TERM MANDATE, SINCE YOU HAVE THE CHOICE OF THE CAR YOU WANT, A BUSINESS SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO DECIDE.

IT'S THE SAME THEORY. IF YOU TAKE UP PARKING PLACES THAT NOT EVERYBODY CAN USE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT, LIKE IN A RESTAURANT WORLD, SINCE I HAVE ONE OF THOSE.

EVERY SEAT IS WORTH THE VALUE. EVERY PARKING SPACE IS WORTH A VALUE. YOU GO IN THERE AND SAY, THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE AN EV CAR, YOU CANNOT PARK HERE PERIOD.

THAT THING MAY SIT THERE FOR DAYS OR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN ROWLETT THAT ARE, I ASSUME MOST OF THEM DO THEIR CHARGING AT HOME. THEY GO TO THEIR PLACES AND GO BACK HOME AND CHARGE UP AGAIN. THE TERM MANDATE FOR ME JUST, IF THE BUSINESS HAS A CHOICE, BY ALL MEANS, OTHERWISE, AGAIN I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. SORRY.

>> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, I WAS LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION AND LOOKED AT IT PRIOR TO THE AMENDMENT, I WAS THINKING ON ENFORCEMENT, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEIR CHARGING AND THEREFORE BE THERE

MORE THAN FOUR HOURS. >> I CAN STILL DO IT.

>> I'M STILL CURIOUS HOW THEY WERE DOING

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THAT THAT WOULD THAT BECOME A CHALLENGE.

>> TAG THE CAR AND SEE HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.

>> EXTRA BURDEN ON THE CITY. >> WELL, ALSO ON THE CAR.

>> THE OFFICE WHERE I WORK IN PLANO HAS CHARGING STATIONS, IT'S A OFFICE WITH SMALLER SUB OFFICE.

EACH OFFICE DOESN'T HAVE MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE AND IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING. THEY HAVE EV STATIONS AND ONE THING THEY RUN INTO. OCCASIONALLY THEY SEND OUT MESSAGES, HEY, DON'T HOG THE EV STATIONS.

IF YOU'RE THERE AND CHARGE UP, MOVE HALFWAY THROUGH THE DAY SO SOMEBODY ELSE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE UP RESIDENCE IN ONE. I COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO LOOK AND DIDN'T SEE WHERE PLANO HAS A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE.

I DO SEE WHERE THEY ALLOW EV PARKING STATIONS TO COUNT TOWARD PARKING REQUIREMENT. OBVIOUSLY THEY SHOULD.

IT'S JUST PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR REQUIRING PARKING SPACES. SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INTEREST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

UNLESS THERE'S, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT ITEM.

[3.C. Receive a presentation and discuss an ordinance prohibiting urinating and defecating in public. ]

>> YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM 3 C, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON AN ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT URINATING AND DEFECATING IN PUBLIC. DON'T LET CHATGPT ON THIS.

>> WE'RE CROWDED FOR SPACE HERE. CARTER TAKES IT ALL UP.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS A PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH A STAND ALONE ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES PUBLIC URINATION AND DEFECATION. OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS REALLY TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH THE ENFORCEMENT GAP BETWEEN HOW WE ENFORCE THE STATE LAW THAT APPLIES IN THIS CASE.

THE GAP THAT EXISTS FOR SPECIFIC NUISANCES THAT ISN'T COVERED BY STATE LAW. WE TO ESTABLISH CLEAR ORDINANCE FOR CLEAN PUBLIC SPACES AND ENHANCE COMMUNITY ENJOYMENT AND HAVE A THRIVING ENVIRONMENT.

SO, WE DID RESEARCH IN PREPARATION FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND WHAT WE DOES IS WENT AND PUT TOGETHER ESSENTIALLY TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS OF DATA SPECIFIC TO THIS OFFENSE. WHAT WE FOUND IS OVER THE COURSE

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OF THE LAST TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS WE HAD 53 INSTANCES OR CALLS RELATED TO THIS BEHAVIOR. AND 2024, 25 CALLS AND TIERING DOWN EACH YEAR. WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN AND OBVIOUSLY NOBODY WANTS THIS TO OCCUR ON ANY LEVEL.

WE HAD 8 CALLS IN THE DOWNTOWN GRIDS SPECIFICALLY THE TWO DOWNTOWN GRIDS THAT WE HAVE TALKED BEFORE HOW WE TRACK DON'T

ACTIVITY. >> CHIEF, COULD YOU LET EVERYBODY SO THEY KNOW WHAT THE GRIDS ARE.

>> YES. SO THE 53 INSTANCES IS CITY WIDE. IT WOULD BE EIGHT INSTANCES IS GOING TO BE 10 B AREA BUT SPECIFICALLY IN 112 AND 115.

OUR DOWNTOWN IS BROKEN UP INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT GRIDS AND PRIMARILY 112 AND 115. THE DARK AREA LEADING BACK TO 66 IN ROWLETT. SO OBVIOUSLY THESE INSTANCES CAN NEGATIVELY IMPACT PUBLIC HEALTH AND OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO, CLEARLY THERE'S A PUBLIC IMPACT WITH THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. DIRECT RISK TO COMMUNITY HYGIENE. DIMINISHED USE TO THE ENJOYMENT OF PUBLIC PARKS AND AFFECT LOCAL BUSINESSES IN COMMERCIAL ZONES.

SO, I MENTIONED THE ENFORCEMENT GAP.

SPECIFICALLY RIGHT NOW WE CAN ENFORCE THIS AND WE DO ENFORCE THIS UNDER TEXAS PENAL CODE 41. WHICH IS DISORDERLY CONDUCT.

IT BROADLY COVERS BEHAVIOR URINATING AND DEFECATING.

TO PROVE A PERSON WAS RECKLESS ABOUT IF ANYONE WAS PRESENT OR WOULD BE ALARMED. IT HAS LIMITED APPLICABILITY.

IT'S MORE NARROWLY TAILORED TO THE CONDUCT AND PROVIDE OUR OFFICERS, THE PROSECUTES AND COURT WITH A CLEAR STANDARD.

>> WHILE YOU'RE ON THAT, CAN YOU LET FOLKS KNOW WHAT CITIES

CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ORDINANCE >> I DON'T HAVE THAT

INFORMATION. >> I LOOKED IT UP EARLIER.

DALLAS DOES, AUSTIN DOES I BELIEVE AND HOUSTON AND SAN

ANTONIO MAY HAVE. >> VERY GOOD.

SO THIS IS KIND OF THE BEST SLIDE I THINK IT EXPLAINS THE WHY. I MENTIONED WITH DISORDERLY CONDUCT, IT IS A HEAVILY STANDARD.

FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERMIT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE EXPANSION OF ARREST AUTHORITY. WE HAVE AND DO MAKE ARRESTS RELATED TO DISORDERLY CONDUCT WITH THIS CONDUCT AND THE CREATION OF A CLEAR-DEFINED ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFCALLY ADDRESSES THIS. IT ALLOWS BASED ON AN OFFICER'S OBSERVATIONS, WITNESS STATEMENTS OR VIDEO EVIDENCE WITHOUT RELYOS BROADER CRIMINAL STATUTE THAT IS AREN'T SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS PROVIDES GREATER CLARITY FOR OFFICERS AND COURTS. THE STATUTE REQUIRES THIS OCCURRED IN A PUBLIC PLACE OR OTHERWISE MEETS A SPECIFIC STATUTORY ELEMENT. AS A RESULT NOT EVERY INCIDENT OF PUBLIC URINATION WILL BE COVERED UNDER PENAL CODE 41.

AND THIS WOULD COVER THE NARROWLY OFFENSE UPON THE CONDUCT. SO, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS ORDINANCE WAS ADDED SECTION 34-45.

WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THERE'S THREE DEFINED ZONED.

CIVIC INFRASTRUCTURE ZONE, PUBLIC STREETS AND ALLEYS PLAZAS AND OTHER RIGHTS OF WAY. THE RECREATION AREA WHICH INCLUDES PARKS AND YARD AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC VIEW REGARDLESS OF THE UNDERLYING TYPE OF PROPERTY.

SO, FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PENALTIES, IF OFFICERS WITNESS THIS CONDUCT OR RESPOND TO A CALL, THEY CAN ISSUE A WARNING, CITATION, WHICH YOU GET FINED NOT EXCEEDING $500 AND OFFICERS MAY ALSO MAKE AN ARREST AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE ON-DUTY OFFICER. THE LOW LEVEL CLASS C OFFENSES

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ARE REQUIRED TO CONTACT A SUPERVISOR AND THIS IS CLASSIFIED AS MISDEMEANOR. SO, AGAIN THE GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN CLEAN SAFE AND WELCOMING SPACES FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. THIS IS ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOL BOX AS WE OFTEN DISCUSS FOR OUR OFFICERS.

THIS WILL CREATE A MORE LOCAL STANDARD FOR CONDUCT THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING STATE LAW AND ULTIMATE RESULT WE BELIEVE WILL BE TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENHANCE LIFE IN ROWLETT.

SHOULD THIS DIDN'T MAKE THE SLIDE.

SHOULD YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, IT WOULD REQUIRE A FUTURE

COUNCIL ACTION. >> THANK YOU.

THIS WAS SOMETHING I HAD ASKED ABOUT SEVERAL WEEKS AGO BECAUSE WE HAD AN INCIDENT IN DOWNTOWN THAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION AND IT WAS PRETTY EXTREME IS PROBABLY THE BEST WORD FOR THE SITUATION THAT HAPPENED IN DOWNTOWN. AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO PROVE SOME OF THOSE DISORDERLY CONDUCT LAYERS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE FOR IT TO BECOME AN OFFENSE. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES, I THINK IT WAS THREE SLIDES BACK BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS ISN'T LOST ON OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS.

IT WAS THAT SLIDE. I KNOW IT SAYS RECREATION RESIDENTS OR PARKS AND YARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND ON THE LEFT YOU HAVE CIVIC INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S ANYWHERE THAT'S IN PUBLIC VIEW. IT COULD BE A BUSINESS, IT COULD BE THE AREA OUTSIDE OF A BUSINESS, ALL OF THAT WOULD APPLY HERE AS WELL. SO ALTHOUGH BUSINESSES ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT, THAT LAST BOX REALLY CALLS OUT ANY AREA THAT'S WITHIN PUBLIC VIEW. SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE. THERE'S BEEN FOLKS BEHIND THEIR BUSINESSES AND AROUND THEIR BUSINESSES ENGAGING IN THIS TYPE

OF BEHAVIOR. >> ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT TOO, WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FOR THE PUBLIC IS, THERE STILL HAS TO BE PROBABLE CAUSE.

WE GET CALLS A BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS OCCURS AND THERE MAYBE EVIDENCE OF THIS. IF WE CAN'T DETERMINE PROBABLE CAUSE IN OTHER WORDS WE DON'T HAVE VIDEO TYING THE ACT TO THE AN ARREST IF WE DON'T HAVE AKE - PROBABLE CAUSE TO SUPPORT WITH THE EVIDENCE. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT, AND THE ORDINANCE DOES GIVE US THE ABILITY INSTEAD OF HAVING A WITNESS TO GO DIRECTLY ON THE OFFICER'S OBSERVATIONS AND ANY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE WE GET OTHERWISE.

>> THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS SAYS ABOUT OUR SOCIETY.

I DO FULLY SUPPORT THIS. I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

YOU MENTIONED 53 OF EIGHT BEING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

>> YES, SIR. >> OF THE OTHER ONES, ARE THEY JUST THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR ANY SPECIFIC AREA?

>> NO, THEY'RE JUST REALLY SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE CITY

>> AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CHRISTOF, IF WE PASS THIS, DOES THIS REQUIRE US TO PUT UP SIGNAGE?

>> IT DOESN'T REQUIRE? >> SHOULD

>> PLEASE DON'T. I'M NOT PROPOSING IT.

>> I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT. THE LAW IS NO DEFENSE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO NOTIFY THEM IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO

DEFECATE. >> I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU OPENED WITH, IT'S A TESTAMENT TO WHAT WE HAVE BECOME AS A SOCIETY. WE SHOULD NEVER PUT UP A SIGN

THATS -- >> WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE AN

ORDINANCE. >> YOU LOOK AT PENAL CODE AND WE

HAVE TO HAVE LAWS. >> THAT'S A SIGN OF OUR TIMES.

>> YEAH. >> I LIKE THAT YOU KNOW YOU CRAFTED THE ORDINANCE IN A WAY, LIKE YOU SAID, GIVES US ANOTHER

TOOL IN THE TOOL BOX. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU. LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING, WHERE WE SIT THE OTHER CITY CHALLENGE IS DALLAS, PLANO, THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING OUR PROBLEM.

SO I DO WANT TO COMMEND Y'ALL ON PROACTIVE NATURE, TRYING TO OUT RUN THIS. THIS IS COMING AND WILL KEEP COMING. INSTEAD OF WAITING YOU'RE GETTING OUT FRONT. I FULLY SUPPORT IT.

I THINK IT'S GREAT. >> I DID HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT SIGNS UP.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THIS COMMUNICATED OUT?

>> AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING -- WELL, CERTAINLY COUNCIL WANTS TO SHARE IT. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S NECESSARY.

>> YOU DON'T THINK IT'S FRIDAY AT 5:00

>> I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT. WE HAD 53, BUT THE REAL CHALLENGE IS THAT THE WAY I'M HEARING THIS, WE HAD DIFFICULTY

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RESPONDING TO THE COMPLAINTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN RESPONDING TO THE PROBLEMS WE ALREADY ARE AWARE OF AND BUSINESSES MAKE US AWARE OF.

I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS WRONG.

>> NOT EVERYBODY OBVIOUSLY. >> SOME PEOPLE MAKE THE WRONG CHOICES THAT MAYBE DIFFICULT. CERTAINLY PEOPLE WHO SEE THIS DO REPORT IT ALREADY. I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE RESPONDING TO GO THE COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, SIR.

>> I THINK THE MORE APPROPRIATE TIMELINES.

IF I HAVE VIDEO COVERAGE, ACTUALLY CATCHING SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THEIR CAR. I HAVE THEIR LICENSE PLATES,

WHAT IS THE TIMELINE THAT -- >> WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN YOUR

OFF TIME? >> YOU DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DETAILED. WE HAD A HANDFUL OF CASES OF ONE RECENTLY WHERE AFTER HOURS, THERE'S BEEN SOMEONE THAT PULLED UP IN AN OPENING PARKING. PLAIN VIEW OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OPENED THE DOOR, TOOK CARE OF BUSINESS AND EVERYTHING IS CAUGHT ON CAMERA.

IT'S LIKE SHOULD I CALL THEM? THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE OFF.

BY THE TIME THEY DRIVE OFF. DOES IT HAVE TO BE CAUGHT IN THE ACT AND YOU SEE THEM? YOU SAID VIDEO COVERAGE.

WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? I HAVE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE AT MY

FACILITY. >> I SAY THE SOONER YOU CALL US THE BETTER. WE WANT TO GET OUR OFFICERS THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY MAKE CONTACT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL. THEN OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTACT YOU AND LOOK AT WHATEVER PHYSICAL EVIDENCE THERE MIGHT BE TYING TO THAT PERSON TO THE OFFENSE.

YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, THE SOONER THE BETTER. BECAUSE AGAIN WE HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE IN ORDER TO ENFORCE.

>> IS THAT SOMETHING THEY DO RESPOND QUICKLY TO OR -- THIS USUALLY HAPPENS AFTER HOURS. IT'S LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE. I WILL SUPPORT THIS.

ON SO MANY LEVELS. JUST A QUESTION THAT KIND OF GETS INTO THE PRETENSE OF MOMENTS THAT HAPPEN AFTER HOURS.

I CATCH THOSE THINGS. I JUST WANT A SENSE OF REALISTIC

EXPECTATION. >> BEING IT'S A CLASS C OFFENSE, IT WILL BE A LOW LEVEL OF PRIORITY FOR CALLS OF SERVICE.

WE'RE SEEING BETTER RESPONSE TIMES.

I AM CONFIDENT THEY WILL RESPOND IN AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF

TIME. >> CAN I JUST E-MAIL IT? IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. I'M TRYING FOR EVERYBODY TO WEIGH OUT THE ACTUAL EXPECTATION OF WHAT IT WILL BE.

>> CHIEF CAN MANAGE EXPECTATIONS.

OR ANY BUSINESS OWNER HAS VIDEO EVIDENCE OF SOMEONE AND THAT'S, IT'S SUFFICIENT TO IDENTIFY THE INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ENFORCEMENT EVEN AFTER THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS LEFT

THE >> YES.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? >> I JUST WANT TO COMMENT, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING TO "HARDEN DOWNTOWN", FITS IN WITH OUR PLAN TO MAKE IT A WALKABLE DESTINATION.

FAMILY FRIENDLY. WE ARE DOING THINGS TO IGNITE THAT. EVERY RESTRICTION WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WE WILL ALL BE FOR GENERALLY AS A COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING

FORWARD. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> DOES THE DART POLICE DEPARTMENT GENERALLY ENFORCE CITY ORDINANCES IF THEY'RE IN THE CITY? IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN ON DART PROPERTY?

THEY ENFORCE AS AN ORDINANCE? >> NO.

THEY WOULD NOT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE WILL SEE THIS AS A FUTURE AGENDA. PRETTY MUCH AS/IS.

IT'S NOT ON TOMORROW'S RIGHT? >> WE WILL SEE THIS AT OUR FIRST

[3.D. Receive a presentation and discuss the concept drawings of the Downtown Pavilion — DART grant funding. ]

MEETING IN AUGUST. >> THANKS CHIEF.

>> ALL RIGHT W. THAT WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 3 D.

RECEIVE A PRESENTATION AND DUS THE CONCEPT DRAWING OF THE DOWNTOWN PAVILION WITH DART FUNDING.

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MAKING THAT PRESENTATION IS CHRISTOF.

>> SO FIRST, THE POINT OF THE PRESENTATION, THIS IS BASICALLY A RELEASE FROM COUNCIL IF YOU'RE WONDERFUL FOR US TO START THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. THIS IS, I WILL SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE. ARTIST CONCEPT.

THIS IS NOT DESIGN. SO WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BROADLY THE CONCEPT OF THIS PAVILION AT THIS LOCATION WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS AND OTHER INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS.

THE DESIGN PROCESS IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE DETAILED AND WILL CERTAINLY INCLUDE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS COUNCIL HAS ALWAYS ASKED US TO DO. BEFORE WE START SHOWING SOMETHING TO THE PUBLIC, GENERALLY ABOUT THIS IDEA, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU SAW IT FIRST.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DART PUT TOGETHER FOR US.

IT'S BASED ON INFORMATION WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

SOMETHING THAT IS OF THIS SIZE AND IS FLEXIBLE IN SPACE.

NOW I WANT TO BE CLEAR. THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS, I DON'T RECOMMEND. AGAIN THIS IS AN ARTIST CONCEPT.

AS WE GET INTO DESIGN, THERE'S SUGGESTIONS I WOULD MAKE REGARDING MOVING SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF THIS.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE BATHROOM AND STORAGE IS PROBABLY IN THE WRONG LOCATION. THE POINT OF THIS IS TO GIVE PEOPLE THE UNDERSTANDING WHERE THIS WOULD SIT IN DOWNTOWN.

WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE. WHAT IT MIGHT FACE.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. THEY HAVE GIVEN US DIMENSIONS AND EXAMPLES OF OTHER FACILITIES THAT YOU KNOW HAVE BEEN USED FOR THIS PURPOSE. SO GIVE US IDEAS WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND HAVE DONE RENDERINGS.

THIS IS WHAT A BATHROOM MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

I'M NOT SURE I LIKE THE PICTURES.

THE WHOLE POINT IS TO HELP US HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN AMENITY IN A DOWNTOWN THAT WOULD ADD VALUE.

YOU MAY NOTICE THE LITTLE LIP PART DOWN THE BOTTOM.

THAT'S BECAUSE WE LISTEN ACTUALLY.

THAT WAS AN IDEA THAT WAS SHARED WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM BEFORE THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT DESIGN.

THIS IS JUST AN ARTIST CONCEPT BEFORE WE GO ANYWHERE ELSE.

MULTIPLE USE. DIFFERENT KIND OF USAGE.

EVEN IF IT'S SPORTS FACILITIES COULD BE USED FOR FARMER'S MARKET AND OTHER PIECES. THEY PUT THE ICE RINK WAY TOO BIG AND IN THE WRONG LOCATION. COULD SERVE AS THE ICE RINK.

THE WHOLE POINT IS TO GIVE PEOPLE A FLAVOR OF THE IDEA TO PUT IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN HERE THAT CAUSED CONCERN BEFORE WE DID THAT.

THE IDEA WOULD BE TO DO SOME SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.

WE ACTUALLY SHARE THIS OUT TO AGAIN BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA SPECIFICALLY, AND WE REACH OUT TO OTHERS OF INTEREST. I WANT TO ALSO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IF THERE'S SPECIFIC PLACES YOU WANT TO TOUCH.

WHETHER A SPECIFIC BOARD OR COMMISSION YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE TAKES A LOOK AT THIS. I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU NOW BEFORE WE START THE PROCESS AND BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK, HAVE TOUCHED SPACES YOU FEEL ARE IMPORTANT

>> I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE DOWNTOWN BOARD STOOD UP YET. THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL BOARD I WOULD WANT TO GET ENGAGED IN THIS.

>> AND WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT AS THAT BOARD FORMS. MY INTENTION TO MAKE A SPECIFIC EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO EVERY

PROPERTY OWNER IN DOWNTOWN. >> ALSO SUGGEST THE CHAMBER.

>> WHAT I WOULD ADD IS, FIRST QUESTION I WROTE WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, WE CAN GO AROUND THE ROOM AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION TO ONE THING OR ANOTHER.

I WONDER IF WE ALMOST FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ESTABLISH A KPI. WHAT IS THE MESSAGE AND THE LOOK, THE FEEL WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE? I THINK WE CAN ASK THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT OR GIVE THAT PLUS ASK.

BUT WHAT ARE WE LOOKING? WHAT DO WE WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE AND THIS TO BE? I THINK THAT HELPS DRIVE THE DISCUSSION. OTHERWISE, WE JUST GOT, IF WE DID IT HEAR, YOU COULD HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

SO I THINK THAT'S ONE, ANOTHER ONE I JUST LIKE TO KEEP THROWING OUT THERE. I RECEIVED SEVERAL MESSAGES UP UNTIL A FEW MINUTES AGO, WHAT I WROTE DOWN IS THAT THE PARK NOT ESPECIALLY IF WE WANT THIS TO BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER.

IT STARTS PULLING AWAY FROM THAT.

I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO ENGAGE THE PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY AT

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HURTFORD PARK. I THINK WE SHOULD WALK DOWN WITH THE PLANS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SHOW WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE, IF WE WANT IT TO BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER, THEN THE THINGS WE PUT DOWN THERE SHOULD DRIVE THAT AND CONSIDERATION FOR EVERYBODY WHO HAS ATHLETIC ACTIVITIES.

>> IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A BIG PUSH FROM THE PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY WANT TO THE HAVE JUST THIS.

COVERED PICKLEBALL COURTS. AND --

>> WE ALSO RECEIVED E-MAILS OF PEOPLE UPSET BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET ON THE COURTS AND WANTED US TO BUILD MORE

>> IF WE BUILD MORE, WE HAVE TO HAVE MONEY FROM THE PARK.

I'M ASKING IF WE COULD TAKE AND MAKE A BASKETBALL COURT.

WE'RE NOT JUST BUILDING A SPORTS COMPLEX, WE'RE BUILDING A

MULTIPURPOSE, MULTIFUNCTIONAL -- >> YEAH, WHAT I HEARD IN THE PAST IS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRING PEOPLE DOWNTOWN? CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, HAVING THOSE FARMER'S MARKETS ARE AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY. THIS I THINK WOULD BE A VERY GOOD ASSET FOR DOING JUST THAT. MOST OF TIME, HOWEVER THOSE THINGS ARE THEY'RE NOT EVERY DAY.

>> THEY'RE NOT JUST SEASONAL. YOU COULD DO THEM EVERY SATURDAY AND MORE REGULARLY THAN JUST IN THE FALL OR SPRING.

BUT IT'S NOT USUALLY A SEVEN-DAY A WEEK ACTIVITY.

SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE OTHER SIX? THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE TO HAVE ATTRACTIVENESS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.

NOT JUST ONE DAY A WEEK. I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IF WE CAN HAVE THIS, IT'S ABOUT PRIORITIZATION OF THE USE.

CERTAINLY, WE HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET, AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT HAVING A NICE PLACE WITH SHADE AND SOME OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT KIND OF THING ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. THIS WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT USE OF THIS. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ELSE? AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED FEEDBACK.

>> I'M NOT A PICKLEBALL EXPERT. BUT, I JUST SAW WHERE THEY HAD MADE THE NEWS BECAUSE A COMMUNITY WAS UPSET BECAUSE THEY BUILT A PICKLEBALL COURTS NEAR HOUSING.

IN A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND RESTAURANTS IS THAT PICKLEBALL COURT CONDUCIVE TO THAT AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE POINT IS, I'M JUST RELAYING MESSAGES I HAVE GOTTEN.

WE'RE SEEING THEY PLAY ON A SCHEDULED FOUR PEOPLE PLAY HERE.

ALL OF A SUDDEN THEIR SCHEDULE IS INTERRUPTED BY A FARMER'S MARKET OUR FRIDAY EVENT BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET SET UP FOR THAT.

THAT IMPACTS THEIR ABILITY TO PLAY.

AGAIN, I THINK THE BEST IS GOING BACK TO THE PUBLIC.

GOING BACK TO KPI. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND DO? AND ASK THE PUBLIC THOSE VERY

SAME QUESTIONS. >> WHAT IS OUR TIME FRAME HERE? WHAT IS THE EXPIRATION ON THE DART FUNDING?

>> IT'S END OF FISCAL YEAR NEXT YEAR.

FY 27. >> FY 27.

>> YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND ENGAGE EVEN THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD ONCE, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE TIME.

>> WELL THAT'S THE QUESTION. AGAIN, THE LONGER WE DELAY THE LESS LIKELY WE CAN COMPLETE ON TIME.

WE HAVE $4 MILLION. EVEN IF WE MAKE THIS VERY NICE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ANYWHERE NEAR $4 MILLION. I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG.

I HAVEN'T PRICED ONE. IF WE GET THE PRICING AND HAVE AN EXTRA, $1 MILLION, $2 MILLION, OUR TIME FRAME

DOESN'T CHANGE. >> WE HAVE A SHORT TIME TO

ACTIVATE THAT. >> YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BYRON. I THINK I FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE FROM THE STANDPOINT WE WANT THIS TO BE AN ACT ACTIVATED SPACE.

IF THIS IS A COMMUNITY GATHERING LOCATION, HOW DO WE PREVENT FROM A HOMELESS SPACE? WHEN IT'S FOR DINING OR PICKLEBALL, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ACTIVITY KEEPING IT ALIVE.

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IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PICKLEBALL.

WE CAN OPEN IT TO THE COMMUNITY. TO SAY WE DON'T WANT IT TO EVER BE AN ATHLETIC USE AT ALL, BEGS THE QUESTION, OKAY, THEN WHAT ELSE? IS IT JUST A SEATING AREA? IF IT IS, I'M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

>> I THINK IT'S WHAT ELSE. WE SHOULD EXPLORE.

YOU MIGHT HAVE PICKLEBALL. >> WELL, IF WE HAD MORE COURTS, WE MAY HAVE MORE PEOPLE. IT MAY NOT BE THE EIGHT PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING TO. IT COULD BE A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE THE CITY TO PLAY PICKLEBALL WITH THEIR

FRIENDS. >> THERE'S LIMITED SPACE IN RCC.

>> WHEN I FIRST HEARD THIS PITCH, THE WAY I WAS INVISIONING IT, THESE PICKLEBALL COURTS AREN'T ALWAYS PICKLEBALL.

I ENVISIONED CORN HOLE OR THE SKATING DURING THE WINTER.

IT WAS MULTIPLE STUFF. WHAT IS OUR MULTIPLE USES TO GO IN THERE. I BELIEVE IF IT'S PICKLEBALL.

I HAVE NEVER PLAYED IT AND SENIORS PLAY IT TOO.

WE WERE GETTING COMPLAINTS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH COURTS.

THAT'S COVERED. YOU SEE A LOT.

TO YOUR ASPECT OF SAYING THAT THEY MAY BE INTERRUPTED, I DON'T THINK WE WANT A LEAGUE TO STAY A LONG TIME.

IT WOULD BE OPEN PLAY. >> AND BECAUSE THEY TALK ABOUT PUTTING YOUR NAMEOS RESERVATIONS? DO THEY DO THAT WITH OTHER STUFF?

>> THERE'S A RACKET THING. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY DO AT RCC.

WHICH MEANS EVERY CITY WILL BE HELD TO THE SAME DEADLINE.

>> THIS IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS A SPECIAL GRANT.

>> THIS IS FROM THE INDUSTRIAL STREET.

>> CORRECT >> THEY HAVE ALREADY CHANGED THE NATURE OF IT AND EXTENDED IT FOR US PREVIOUSLY.

>> SO THIS IS NOT THE REST OF THE FUNDING EVERYBODY ELSE GOT.

WE STILL HAVE THAT TOO. THIS WAS AN ADDITIONAL GRANT

GIVEN TO THE CITY OF ROWLETT. >> I AM SURPRISED AND IT'S JUST A RENDERING, SEEING THE BATHROOMS, I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF ROAD. NOT UNDERNEATH THERE.

IS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STILL PLANNING ON DOING.

>> THAT'S JUST A CONCEPT. >> I WOULDN'T WANT IT FACING MAIN STREET OR MAYBE ON MARTIN. WE HAVE THE --

>> WE DO. WE HAD A PRESENTATION.

>> THE POINT IS TAKEN. DURING EVENTS WE BRING A TRAILER. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A PERMANENT FACILITY TO USE FOR EVENTS AND FARMER'S MARKET AND EVENTS.

IT WOULD BE THERE INSTEAD OF USING A TRAILER.

>> I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FACILITY LIKE THIS, IT

HAS TO HAVE A RESTROOM. >> INSIDE UNDERNEATH IT?

>> AGAIN, LET'S GO THE PUBLIC. WE'RE GETTING WAY DO THE WEEDS WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS.

IT SHOULD BE MORE HIGH LEVEL. IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH. DO WE WANT TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC AND ARE THERE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO SPEAK TO? LET'S ENGAGE THE PROCESS. DESIGN HAS NOT EVEN TAKEN PLACE.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. KNOWING WE'VE GOT AN END DATE.

I THINK WE NEED TO PUT A STAY. UP UNTIL THIS POINT WE NEED THE PUBLIC'S INPUT SO WE DON'T BUMP UP AGAINST THE END DATE AND NOT

BE ABLE TO DO THIS. >> THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD. I THOUGHT WE WOULD GET STUFF WE WERE GOING TO SEE AND MAKE SOME THINGS TO SEND OUT TO THE PUBLIC. DO YOU SUPPORT THIS, THIS OR

THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE HARD TO GET

PUBLIC INPUT. >> ARE WE ASKING DART TO DRIVE

THAT PROCESS OR IS THE CITY? >> THE CITY IS GOING TO DRIVE

THIS PROCESS. >> I THINK THEY COULD MOVE FASTER PUTTING TOGETHER THESE RENDERINGS WITHOUT ASKING A FIRM TO DO THAT. I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ACCEPTABILITY.

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IS THERE AN OBJECTION TO THIS KIND OF PROJECT?

AND FERITTING THAT OUT NOW. >> I HAVE NO OBJECTION.

>> IF THERE'S GENERAL ACCEPTANCE THIS IS A GOOD CONCEPT, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN.

THAT'S WHERE WE GET MORE DETAILS AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC ON YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THIS WHAT DOES THAT? IS THAT SPORTS? IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT PICKLEBALL, YOU HAVE TO PUT THINGS POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT PICKLEBALL. DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PICKLEBALL. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BOOTHS IN THERE, YOU WILL NEED ELECTRIC TO SERVE THE USES.

LIGHTINGS. >> NO ONE WANTS GENERATORS RUNNING ANOTHER A ROOF. IT WOULD BE NOISY AND SMELLY.

>> IT WOULD STOP THE PICKLEBALL.

>> I APPROVE THE CONCEPT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT.

>> IT'S WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE WOULD USE OUTREACH TO SEE IF WE GET ANYBODY WHO SAYS, WE HATE THIS IDEA.

IF WE DON'T GET ANYBODY THAT HATES THE IDEA, THE FEEDBACK IS MORE, WE DON'T HATE IT BUT WE WANT MORE INPUT IT AND MOVE ON TO DESIGN. GET SOMEBODY ENGAGED.

LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY TO DO A DESIGN BUILD FIRM THAT CAN BASICALLY COME ON AND BE PARTNER TO MOVE QUICKLY RATHER THAN DOING A DESIGN BID BUILD PROCESS, IT DESIGN BUILD PROCESS BUT WE BUILD IN SPECIFIC STEPS IN THE DESIGN PROCESS WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, WE WANT A AESTHETICS REVIEW AND AT THAT POINT, WE SHOULD HAVE A DOWNTOWN COMMITTEE TO REALLY ENGAGE IN THE AESTHETICS REVIEW TO SAY, OKAY, WE JUST HATE THAT WHITE STEEL, WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY.

LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. THAT WOULD BE AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. AFTER WE HAVE GOTTEN INITIAL FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT SAYS, WE LIKE THIS CONCEPT.

NOW LET'S WORK. >> I GOT A COUPLE THINGS TO IT.

SORRY, CHRIS. ONE, I WOULD ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT HAVE WE DONE DOWNTOWN TO HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND LOOK THROUGH THAT LENS. WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE FRIDAY NIGHT CONCERTS, YOU HAVE TO PUT UP THE STAGE AND HAVE A GENERATOR. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF MOBILE THINGS. THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AND OF THAT PERMANENT. MIGHT BE A STAGE AT ONE END OF IT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT ENGAGING THE DOWNTOWN RETAILERS THAT ARE THERE NOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THINGS BETTER? AND THEN LOOK AT THAT. I WILL TELL YOU IT'S HARD, I'M NOT A DESIGNER. I ONLY HAVE ONE ABILITY AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN SOMEBODY LOOKS BAD.

AND THAT LOOKS LIKE A HAY BARN. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO DESIGN IT, BUT, REALLY, LET'S WHATEVER WE DO, WE GET ONE SHOT TO DO IT RIGHT. THAT'S MY INPUT.

>> I HAVE ONE CHIME. WE NEED TO REMIND OURSELVES OF IS BEYOND GOING TOWARD THE CONTENTS INSIDE OF IT.

WHO IS GOING TO PUT IT AWAY? WHO IS GOING TO BRING DID OUT? WHAT ABOUT ADDITIONAL EXPENSES BEHIND THAT? HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED? WE WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO REMIND OURSELVES, IS THAT GOING TO REQUIRE ANOTHER PERSON.

IS IT A SEVEN DAY A WEEK CONSTANT CHANGE? IS THAT GOING TO REQUIRE MANPOWER TO CONSTANTLY MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT? THAT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR OVERALL VISION ABOUT WHAT TOMORROW'S EXPECTATION IS GOING TO BE. IT'S NOT JUST THE ACTUAL FACILITY. I THINK WE'RE ALL GOING TO AGREE, IT'S A GREAT IDEA, CONTENTS NOT BEING CONSIDERED HERE. THAT PARTICULAR COST, THE MORE INTERNAL WORKINGS YOU HAVE, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO DO THAT.

BREAK OUT THE ICE RINK. TAKES A BUNCH OF MANPOWER TO MAKE THAT WORK. WE SHOULD PUT THAT IN OUR EXPENSES AS WE THINK THROUGH THAT PIECE TOMORROW.

NOT JUST TODAY. I DON'T WANT TO GET THAT FAR.

THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER EXPENSE OF SOME NATURE.

I KNOW THAT DART IS NOT GOING TO KEEP PAYING THAT EVERY MONTH.

>> ONE OF THE BIG PLUSES I SEE FOR THIS, THE ELECTRICAL USE FOR VENDORS AND ALSO FOR THE SKATE FACILITY AND THE BASE FOR THE

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ICE RINK. RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE SEEN ALL THE WORK THEY HAVE GONE TO TRY TO BUILD A FLAT BASE ON GRASS.

VERY INTENSIVE. AND THE GENERATORS ARE RUNNING CONSTANTLY THE CHILLERS WERE IT'S A NOISY, MESSY AND VERY EXPENSIVE. IF THEY CAN MAKE THAT USE ESPECIALLY. I WAS THERE FOR SEVERAL NIGHTS LAST WINTER. AND IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED.

AND BROUGHT A LOT OF ACTIVITY INTO DOWNTOWN.

>> WE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ON THE GENERATOR RUNNING ALL THAT

SEASON. >> I DIDN'T.

>> NO E-MAILS, NOTHING? ABOUT THE NOISE?

>> NO. GENERATORS WERE EXPENSIVE AND THEY WERE OCCASIONALLY BROKE DOWN.

THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THE ICE RINK WAS WEATHER.

THE SUN WAS PROBLEMATIC. >> 80 DEGREE WEATHER WAS PROBLEMATIC. HAVING SOMETHING COVERED WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE AND MAINTENANCE INTENSIVE.

AND MORE STABLE AS A USE. THAT'S JUST ONE MONTH OUT OF THE YEAR. SO I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT OF POSITIVES IF WE DESIGN RIGHT. THAT'S MY INTEREST.

WE'RE IN THE FIRST STEP OF THE PROCESS.

WHAT IS THE INITIAL DESIGN PROCESS LOOK LIKE?

>> AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, MY INTENTION OR PROPOSAL IS WE TAKE WHAT WE HAVE AS A CONCEPT, SHARE THAT BROADLY.

TRY TO GET PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK ON THE CONCEPT.

NOT LOOKING WHETHER IT SHOULD BE WHITE, BROWN, STEEL OR WOOL.

WHETHER THIS CONCEPT WOULD ADD VALUE TO OUR DOWNTOWN.

IF THAT'S A POSITIVE, THEN WE TURN IT AROUND AND SAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS.

THAT'S WHERE WE BRING IN DESIGNERS.

YOU KNOW WHO THAT'S THEIR JOB. THAT'S YOU KNOW THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO ACTUALLY GET PUBLIC INPUT AND GO THROUGH AN ITERATIVE PROCESS TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.

>> SO LET'S, CONDENSE THAT INTO ONE PROCESS.

WHILE THE COUNCIL HAS GENERALLY SAID YES TO THE FIRST QUESTION, LET'S JUST ADD THAT AS A CAVEAT QUESTION TO WHATEVER SURVEY PUTTING OUT AND ASK THE REST OF QUESTIONS WITH IT.

WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY PUTTING UP A PAVILION DOWNTOWN? WHAT SORT OF AMENITIES WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE? WHEN YOU RATHER SEEWOOD, METAL.

WHAT ELSE IS CONDENSE TO ONE SURVEY.

LET'S GET COMMUNITY BUY IN AND THEN COME BACK TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IF WE CAN, DRIVE THAT INTO ONE SURVEY OR ENGAGEMENT WHATEVER. AND TRY TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE AT ONE TIME AS WE CAN.

THAT WILL BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET CONSISTENT INFORMATION FROM THE SAME PEOPLE.

RATHER THAN SOME PEOPLE RESPOND TO THE FIRST SURVEY AND ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE RESPOND TO THE SECOND.

ALSO, IT CONDENSES THE TIME FRAME.

WE NEED TO BE SURE ON THE AMENITIES PIECE WE'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. AND I THINK THAT MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM US. WHAT SORT OF AMENITIES.

WE WOULD TALK ABOUT A RESTROOM OR ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT SPORTS AMENITIES. SEATING.

ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT A SEASONAL ICE RINK.

ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT FARMER'S MARKETS AND OTHER ACTIVATED EVENTS. ABOUT FOOD TRUCK SPACES.

EITHER DESIGNED IN OR SOME SORT OF AGAIN, FOOD TRUCK SPACES.

I'M GETTING TOO DOWN IN THE WEEDS.

ANYTHING ELSE. SO WHAT ELSE? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US FOR.

WHAT OTHER THINGS NEED TO BE ON THE SURVEY.

RESTROOMS NEED TO BE A STAND ALONE QUESTION.

SHOULD THIS FACILITY HAVE BRICK AND MORTAR.

DON'T SAY BRICK AND MORTAR, SHOULD THIS BE LIGHTED? MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO USE IT AT NIGHT.

WHAT ELSE? HELP ME BRAIN STORM QUESTIONS WE

WOULD ASK IN THE SURVEY. >> THE MUSIC.

>> SHOULD IT BE A DEDICATED MUSIC VENUE OR HAVE A PLACE TO BRING IN A STAGE? SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO PULL IN A STAGE. IF IT'S TALL ENOUGH OUR STAGE

MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT IN. >> OUR STAGE JUST OUTSIDE IT

WOULD NOT FIT UNDER IT. >> GREAT.

SHOULD IT BE USED AS A PERFORMANCE VENUE?

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>> THANK YOU. YOU POINT OUT IT'S

NONCONDITIONAL. >> YEP.

>> I LIKE THE IDEA OF CONDENSING ONE DOCUMENT.

>> YEAH. I THINK I CAN GIVE CHRISTOF A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE DEADLINE.

>> AND THAT, WHEN WE GET THAT BACK, HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE THE DOWNTOWN ADVISORY BOARD IN PLACE.

SOME PART DURING THE PROCESS NEED TO VET THAT WORK.

>> GREAT POINT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCEPTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM?

>> THE POSSIBILITY IS THE PARK. WE TALKED ABOUT.

OPTIONS THAT COULD BE. WHEN WE GET ALL THOSE OPINIONS THAT COME BACK, WE CAN PROBABLY USE THAT AS AN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT HERE BUT TALK ABOUT IN THE PARK CONCEPT. USE FOR MORE THAN ONE PURPOSE.

>> THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF TOPIC.

YOU SAID FINANCING AVAILABLE FOR THE CONNECTION TO DART PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. IS THAT PART OF THIS?

OR IS THAT ANOTHER PROJECT? >> THERE'S FUNDING.

WE HAVE A DART FUNDING IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND DART'S FACILITY.

>> SO I'M CONNECTING THAT OBVIOUSLY WITH DART.

SO, CONCEPT OF PARKING THERE AND EASILY IGNITING DOWNTOWN.

HAS TO ALL BE TOGETHER. NOT SEPARATE.

PARK IN THE DARK PARKING LOT AND FIGURE IT OUT FROM THERE.

WE TALKED ABOUT WAVE FINDING. OTHER COMPONENTS OF THIS.

DEFINITELY DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.

>> THAT'S THE PROGRAM THE MAYOR WAS REFERRING TO.

WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS TO BE USED FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES. WE BROUGHT IN A PRESENTATION COUPLE MEETINGS AGO. WE TALKED ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND A TRAIL. THOSE ARE PART OF THAT PROGRAM.

WE CAN ALSO USE FUNDING IF WE HAVE FUNDING LEFT OVER FROM THIS TO ENHANCE THOSE ELEMENTS AS WELL.

THOSE ARE ON GOING CONVERSATIONS WITH DART.

>> YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, THE STAFF REPORT IS A LITTLE ALMOST CONFLATES THE TWO FUNDING MECHANISMS. NOW I'M READING THIS THROUGH THE LENS OF WHAT YOU SHARED.

THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ILA. THE INITIAL WE USED THE FUNDING TO ENHANCE INDUSTRIAL STREET AND THE SEPARATE N& P THAT PROVIDES ANNUALIZED FUNDING. UNDER THE INITIAL ILA.

DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH FUNDING THERE IS? THAT'S THE 4.2. THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL ALMOST 4.7 AMOUNTED TO BE AVAILABLE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO THIS PROJECT WHILE WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH IT IS, COULD BE DRAMATICALLY LESS THAN 4.2.

THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THROUGH THE G& M, I THINK IS CARTER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY.

BY DESIGN, THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE TWO SEPARATE THINGS BECAUSE OF HOW FAST WE MOVE ON THIS. I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT, WE CANNOT LOSE SIGHT OF WAVE FINDING.

THE OTHER DOWNTOWN ENHANCEMENT SAYS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO TASK THE AB TO WORK ON. IMPLEMENTING THE STRATEGIC PLAN

IN EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT. >> HAS TO BE COORDINATED.

>> TOTALLY AGREE. IF WE WERE TOLD THAT CROSSING THE DGNO TRACK SYSTEM NOT AN OPTION AND WE WILL NEVER GET APPROVAL TO DO THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT CAN STOP THE

PAVILION. >> THE SAME PEOPLE IN DART, SAME PEOPLE FOR BOTH. I'M WORKING WITH THE SAME GROUP.

THEY WILL HELP US WITH THE G & M PROGRAM AND THIS IMPLEMENTATION

AS WELL. >> THERE'S A REAL LINE RIGHT

THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF GRAPEVINE. >> I'M NOT SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. RAIL LINES ARE DGNO WILL ARGUE.

>> I KNOW, THEY ARE HERE FIRST. GRAPEVINE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO

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DO THIS. >> WAS THE TRAIL PART OF THIS? IT'S PART OF THE LONG RANGE LOOK AT FUNDING FOR THE G & P PROGRAM. HOW LONG WOULD THE FEATURE HIT

THE TRAILS? >> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TIMELINE IS. THE TRAIL WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC. IT'S ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH COUNCIL.

>> THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

THIS IS WHAT WE DID LAST TIME. >> YEAH, THAT WAS A WIDER AGENDA ITEM. SPECIFICALLY THE PAVILION AND

FUNDING FOR THAT. >> SO, WERE THERE ANY OTHER BEFORE WE GET TO YOUR CLOSING QUESTION I THINK? WERE THERE ANY OTHER CONCEPTS WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER INTEGRATING INTO THIS PAVILION WE HAVEN'T ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT NEED TO BE ASKED? THIS IS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL.

IF WE GET FEEDBACK INDIVIDUALLY FROM THE COMMUNITY, SHARE WITH CHRISTOF AFTER THE FACT. CERTAINLY THE SURVEY IS NOT

GOING LIVE TOMORROW. >> FRIDAY.

>> THERE YOU GO. >> ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY? OKAY.

WE REMAIN OPEN TO FEEDBACK FOR THIS ITEM.

SO, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DID YOU HAVE CHRISTOF FOR US?

>> THAT'S IT. I JUST WANTED TO SUMMARIZE AND SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.

[3.E. Receive an update regarding the Municipal Complex and Animal Services site selection process. ]

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WITH THAT, MOVE ON TO ITEM 3 A OF RECEIVE UPDATE REGARDING MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AND ANIMAL SERVICES SITE SELECTION PROCESS.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

GARY FROM PUBLIC WORKS. I WILL LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE COMPLEX AND WE WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE

FOR US. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL.

SO, BRIEF UPDATE ON A BACKGROUND.

PROJECT. 2023 THERE WAS A BOND ELECTION THAT ESTABLISHED PROPOSITION A FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY.

AND PROPOSITION B FOR ANIMAL SHELTER.

IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROPOSAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SITE SUSTAINABLE ASSESSMENT STUDY FOR THE NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. THAT INCLUDES CITY HALL, PUBLIC SAFETY AND ANIMAL SHELTER. THAT PROCESS SHOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY FIVE MONTHS. AND WAS BROKEN INTO FOUR TIERS AND INCLUDED COUNCIL WORKSHOPS AND THEN FOUR PUBLIC DESIGN.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT TIER 0. IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR -- I'M SORRY. HOW DO I GO BACK? SORRY ABOUT THAT. IN JUNE WE RECEIVED, I QUOTED THAT WRONG. IN JUNE WE RECEIVED THE -- NO IN JULY WE RECEIVED TIER ZERO FROM PAPER WELKER THAT OUTLINED, I'M SORRY, THE MAXIMUM OF 300 PARCELS.

THEN ALSO IN JUNE THE COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO CONSULT A THIRD PARTY REAL ESTATE TO HELP REVIEW PAPER WELKER'S DESIGN OF THE NEW COMPLEX. WE SENT OUT FOR STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS EARLIER THIS MONTH AND LATER THIS WEEK THEY ARE DUE. THEY WILL HAVE 45 DAYS TO REVIEW THE FINDINGS OF PAPER WELKER. WHEN YOU ADD THE ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS THAT MAKES THE TIMELINE FOR SITE SELECTION APPROXIMATELY IN JULY, BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH, PAPER WELKER PRESENTED THE TIER ZERO FINDINGS, SUSTAINABILITY STUDY.

THE REPORT INCLUDED 150 SITES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND EVALUATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. OF THE 150, 16 PROPERTIES WERE RECOMMENDED TO MOVE FORWARD TO TIER 1.

9 IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND CITY HALL COMBINED.

SOME OF THE PROPERTIES WERE LARGE ENOUGH TO INCLUDE PUBLIC SAFETY, CITY HALL AND ANIMAL SHELTER AND 7 OF THE PROPERTIES WERE SPECIFICALLY FOR ANIMAL SHELTER.

AND I WILL GO INTO DETAIL IN THE FUTURE SLIDES ON BOTH OF THOSE.

134 SITES WERE ELIMINATED OR WERE MORE CHALLENGING AND COULD

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BE LOOKED AT FURTHER BUT, WERE NOT AMONGST THE 16 RECOMMENDED.

THE FIRST SET WAS FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND CITY HALL.

YOU WILL SEE THOSE ON THE SITE MAP.

THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED IN BOTH GREEN AND YELLOW FLAGS.

THE NINE PROPERTIES RECOMMENDED AS OUR PRIORITY PROPERTIES TO MOVE FORWARD FOR TIER 1. THE ANIMAL SHELTER THEY IDENTIFIED SEVEN PROPERTIES. YOUR BLUE AND YELLOW FLAGS.

THE BLUE FLAGS ARE PROPERTIES THEY MOST RECOMMEND.

YELLOW HAVE A FEW CONDITIONS TO WORK THROUGH.

AND THEN THIS IS ALL THE RED X'S THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THOSE ARE THE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED FOR ELIMINATION OR HAVE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE THOSE COULD MOVE FORWARD.

>> QUESTIONS? >> JUST TO GO BACK TO ANY

PARTICULAR SLIDES. >> CARTER, IS THIS AN ITEM YOU

ASKED FOR? >> MIKE.

DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? >> THOUGHTS?

COMMENTS? >> I DON'T KNOW MORE THAN LAST

TIME. >> SO THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS

ANOTHER HOW MANY MONTHS? >> SEVEN MONTHS.

>> FIVE MONTHS? >> THE ORIGINAL SCOPE WAS FIVE MONTHS. WE ADDED THE REAL ESTATE

COMPONENT, IT ADDED TWO MORE. >> LET'S GO BACK, GARY TO SLIDE THREE IN THE DECK. IT'S THE ONE THAT SAYS SITE SUITABILITY STUDY. YEAH THAT ONE.

THAT HAS TIMELINES ON IT THAT PROBABLY GIVES CONTEXT TO WHERE WE'RE AT. RIGHT NOW YOU MENTIONED WE'RE IN TIER ZERO. AT TIER 1, WHAT HAPPENS? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE REACHED THAT SHORT LIST NOW.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS TIER 1 STEP

>> THE PIECE WE'RE COMPLYING IS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO TIER 1, WE HAVE A REAL ESTATE TO DO THE ANALYSIS WITH THE PURCHASABILITY AND THE MARKETING COSTS THAT ARE FINALISTS.

THAT'S THE EXPERTISE WE DON'T HAVE AS PART OF THE PAPER WELKER GROUP. WE DON'T HAVE A REAL ESTATE COMPANY WE WORK WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS.

WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A QUALIFICATION BASIS.

WE TILL HAVE I THINK IT'S OUT FOR ANOTHER WEEK.

>> THE 22ND WE WILL GET RESULTS. >> 22ND WE WILL GET RESULTS AND GO THROUGH A GRADING PROCESS AND THEN A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION PROCESS. THAT'S AFTER WE GET BACK ON THE 22ND, WE HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS DEPENDING ON THE VALUE OF THE PROJECT, IF IT'S OVER MY AUTHORITY, IT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND THEN DO THEIR WORK. THAT'S WHY WE'RE BUILDING IN A REAL TIMELINE TO DO THEIR WORK. THAT MAY TAKE NINE PROPERTIES AND TURN INTO FOUR OR FIVE PROPERTIES.

OR TWO PROPERTIES. SO, WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE ANALYSIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE PROPERTIES THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED IN TIER ZERO. WE'RE LOOKING TO GET FROM ZERO TO ONE BASED ON ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED

BY COUNCIL. >> DID WE HAVE ANY PROPERTIES THAT MOVED TO TIER ZERO THAT THE CITY OWNS?

>> THEY WERE -- >> I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHERE.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THE CITY OWNS THEM.

>> IF THE CITY OWNS THEM IT'S OKAY.

>> THEY WERE SOME THAT HAD TO DO WITH ANIMAL SERVICES OVERALL INDUSTRY THAT WE OWNED. THAT WE OWNED.

>> THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION. THE ANIMAL SHELTER THERE MAYBE ONE OR TWO. THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT I HAVE TALKED TO COUNCILMEMBERS BEFORE THAT WE OWN THAT WAS CONSIDERED FOR THAT AS WELL. SO I THINK THERE'S BASICALLY, TWO SITES THAT ARE BIG ENOUGH FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.

>> I KNOW WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT CURRENT LOCATION FOR CITY HALL AND THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT PREVIOUSLY. IT'S A BIT OF A CHALLENGING SITE AND REQUIRES US TO LOOK AT -- RELOCATION.

>> BASICALLY THAT BECOMES A FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND ONLY HOUSE

CITY HALL. >> THE QUESTION WE RECEIVED WAS TO LOOK AT THIS SITE BECAUSE WE OWN IT.

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IT'S WHERE CITY HALL IS NOW. IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FUND.

WE HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO FUND A CITY HALL HERE.

WE'RE EVALUATING THAT. IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGING PROJECT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ANSWER

THAT AS PART OF PROCESS. >> MY LAST QUESTION.

DID WE, DID THEY INCLUDE HURTFORD PARK?

>> ONLY AS A BASELINE. >> ONLY AS A BASELINE.

>>YOU CANNOT BUILD ON IT. >> SO, ON JUNE 2ND, WE MADE THE DECISION TO HAVE PAPER WELKER DO THAT AND TALKED ABOUT THE

ESTATE PROFESSIONAL. >> CORRECT.

>> SO WHY DO WE WAIT UNTIL JULY 7TH TO ISSUE SOQ?

>> WE WERE FOCUSED ON PAPER WELKER'S WORK AND WE DID NOT DO

IN PARALLEL. >> I AM NOT A FAN OF ANYTHING THAT DRAWS US OUT ANY LONGER THAN WE HAVE ALREADY DRAWN IT OUT. SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT HAS NOT BEEN PARTICULARLY HELPFUL.

WE'RE AT A LIST OF FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, NINE PROPERTIES AND ANIMAL SHELTER SEVEN PROPERTIES. AND THERE ARE ZERO PROPERTIES THAT INCORPORATE ALL THREE, CORRECT?

>> NO, SIR, THERE ARE A FEW OR AT LEAST A COUPLE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HOUSE EVERYTHING. THOSE ARE LIMITED.

A COUPLE OF THOSE. >> OKAY.

IF WE WERE TO FORGO THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, WOULD THAT, WHAT WOULD THE TIMELINE LOOK LIKE ON THIS

SITE SUITABILITY SLIDE? >> PER THEIR CONTRACT, THEY STILL HAVE FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS BECAUSE AFTER THEY TURNED IN ON JULY 6TH, THE FIRST FEW WEEKS OF THE ROUGHLY FIVE MONTH CONTRACT, THEN WE TOLD THEM WE HAD TO GET BACK WITH THEM BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT.

SO THEY WOULD START UP AGAIN. ONCE WE GIVE THEM THE GO AHEAD

-- >> THAT GIVES THEM FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS TO DETERMINE SUITABILITY OF AND NUMBER OF

SITES? >> TO GO THROUGH ALL --

>> 16. WELL, WE GO DOWN TO THE, LET'S SAY TAKE ALL 16, THEN THEY GO MORE IN DEPTH WITH THE TIER 1 REVIEW WHERE THEY FIND MORE INFORMATION LIKE THEY LOOK MORE TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THOSE AND NARROW DOWN AGAIN.

TO A SMALLER GROUP WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THE SITES ARE MORE FOCUSED.

WE'RE GOING TO START GETTING INTO NOT JUST THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC. LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES AND MAKING SURE ALL IS WELL AND YOU START COMING BACK TO YOUR COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS AND REALLY GET IN DEPTH BEFORE YOU DO ANY TYPE OF REPORTING LIKE GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS OR --

>> SO TELL ME, HELP ME OUT WITH THE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF WHAT MAKES A SITE SUITABLE. PAPER WELKER HAS DETERMINED WHAT SITE IS BIG ENOUGH AND ALREADY WHAT? MAYBE PROPERLY GRADED? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE SO FAR TO COME UP WITH THESE 16 PROPERTIES?

>> OKAY. SO FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND THE CITY HALL, THEY TRY TO LOOK AT THOSE TOGETHER.

IT REQUIRES A LARGER SITE. SO IT NEEDS MORE CONTIGUOUS ACREAGE. THAT COULD EITHER BE ONE INDIVIDUAL LOCATION OR SEVERAL SITES THAT COULD BE COMBINED TO GET THAT ACREAGE NECESSARY. ALL THAT HAD TO BE, THE LAYOUT OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAD TO FUNCTION WELL.

WHEREAS THE ANIMAL SHELTER IS A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE.

NEEDED TO HOUSE THE BUILDING ACCESSIBILITY.

THE LARGER REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND CONNECTIVITY TO THOROUGHFARES WITHIN THE CITY.

MAKE SURE IT WASN'T TUCKED BACK. IT WAS NEAR SO THEY HAD ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE AND BETTER RESPONSE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

FOR ANIMAL SHELTER, THEY LOOKED FOR SMALLER BECAUSE THE CONSTRAINTS ARE SMALLER. LOWER COST PARCELS THAT HAVE MORE NATURAL NOISE BUFFERS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP THE

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ANIMALS AWAY FROM HIGH-TRAFFIC AREAS OR AREAS WHERE THE NOISE FROM THE ANIMAL SERVICES COULD BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE RESIDENTS.

SO THOSE ARE PRIMARILY WHAT THEY LOOKED FOR.

THEY ALSO DID WHEN THE PRIMARILY LOCATIONS WHERE YOU GOT THE 16, THOSE WERE LOCATIONS THAT WERE A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER.

THERE'S SOME THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU GET INTO THE YELLOW VERSUS THE BLUE OR GREEN AND THERE'S A FEW THAT FALL INTO THE LIST OF 134 WHICH WITH REZONING OR REPLATTING, YOU KNOW SOME CHANGES, THINGS THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT THAT COULD BRING TO

POTENTIAL SITES. >> SO WHAT I JUST HEARD FROM PAPER WELKER. THE SIZE OF THE LOT, ORIENTATION. INGRESS AND EGRESS.

NOW WE'RE MOVING ON IT THE NEXT STEP WHICH ENGAGES THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL. IS HE GOING TO LOOK AT THE ABILITY TO ACQUIRE. SOME IDEA ABOUT VALUE OR COST IN THE PROCESS WERE THE KEY ELEMENTS.

CERTAINLY AS A HYBRID APPROACH, WE COULD CERTAINLY MOVE FORWARD.

WE NEED THAT INDIVIDUAL AND EXPERTISE IN THIS PROCESS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO TIER 1 AND TIER TWO WHILE WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD ACQUIRING THE SERVICES OF THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL. WE CAN ENGAGE THEM WHEN WE HAVE A MORE FOCUSED SET OF SITES. SO THERE WILL BE MORE FOCUS AND

STILL APPLY AT A LATER STEP. >> SO FOR THE NEXT STEP PAPER WELKER IS GOING TO DO, ARE THEY CHARGING US PER SITE?

>> NO, THEIR SCOPE IS FIXED. >> WHY DON'T WE HAVE THEM ASSESS

ALL 16? >> THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL 16. THE QUESTION IS, WHEN DO WE BRING IN THE REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE.

>> TOTALLY. I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY BRING IN THE REAL ESTATE PERSON EXTENDS AT 60 DAYS.

I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING ON THE TIMELINE OF THE GANT CHART.

ON THE TIMELINE OF THE GANT CHART, WHY ARE WE AT A STOP AGE POINT TO FIND THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST, BEFORE WE STARTED TO PUBLICLY CONVERSE ABOUT THE SITES WE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT ANALYSIS COMPLETED. AND WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER FOR US TO NOT HAVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS PART OF THE NEXT FEW STEPS IN THE PROCESS.

>> THERE'S NO WORLD TO TALK DO THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT AND NOT TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT SITES WE'RE CONSIDERING.

SO, WHAT IS THE -- HOW IS THE REAL PROFESSIONAL HELPING US?

CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? IT WAS YOUR SUGGESTION.P>> IT W COME ALONGSIDE US. I DIDN'T SEE THERE WOULD BE A STOP. AND I WOULD PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS THAT I USED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IF I WERE RUNNING THE PROJECT.

WHICH I'M NOT. BUT I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A STOP. WHAT I SEE A NEED FOR IS SOMEONE TO HELP US NEGOTIATE. THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO A DISCUSSION OF PARTICULAR PROPERTIES, I WANT SOMEBODY REPRESENTING US NOT BEING THE CITY.

>> THAT'S HAPPENING AFTER WE DO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IF YOUR MIND.

>> YES. >> IS DOES THAT ALIGN, MAYBE IT

ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE. >> THAT'S MY MISUNDERSTANDING.

>> TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT. THESE 16 PROPERTIES BEHIND THE SCENES ARE LOOKING AT IT AND DOING ANALYSIS SAYING THIS PROPERTY WILL SELL SOMEWHERE IN HERE.

AND THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'RE INTERESTED IN.

WHEN WE GO PUBLIC AND SAY, YEAH WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROPERTIES, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING A GOOD DEAL OR BAD DEAL ON THE PROPERTY IS THAT CORRECT OR NO?

>> THAT'S THE WAY MY MIND WAS WORKING?

>> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER? THAT'S CERTAINLY TWO THINGS.PIF THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL, THERE'S SOME OF THESE 16 THAT MAY NOT BE REASONABLY FOR SALE.

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CERTAINLY WOULD TAKE THOSE OFF THE LIST.

IT MAYBE FOR OTHER REASONS WE TAKE THEM OFF THE LIST WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION. I CERTAINLY DON'T OBJECT TO CHANGING COURSE FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW AND MOVE BACK IN A SITUATION WHERE WE WORK ON BRINGING THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL ON AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND ENGAGE THEM AS THE CLERK AS LONG AS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL.

AND WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD BEFORE, MISTAKEN I MAYBE, IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE ENGAGED AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE IT ON ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU IDENTIFIED, WHICH IS, WITH BEFORE THEY KNOW IT'S THE CITY, WHAT IS THE PRICE? AFTER THEY KNOW IT'S THE CITY, WHAT IS THE PRICE? SO THEN WE CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER WE'RE GETTING A FAIR DEAL. AND ANOTHER PIECE IS, THERE'S AND PROPERTIES AS I SAID, ACTUALLY I THINK, I'M IN THE A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE PROPERTIES WOULD BE HARD TO ACQUIRE.

REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL GIVES US OPINION ON THAT AND MAY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE HAVE TO DO TO GET TO A SMALLER SETTLEMENT. I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE PAPER WELKER THROUGH TIER 2 ANALYSIS ON THE PROPERTIES AS WE WORK TO ENGAGE THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL BEFORE WE GET TO THE FINAL GROUP

NOT, WE GOT TO START THIS UNTIL WE GET THIS, WE START THIS.

I HOPE IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER >> YEAH, I THINK WE COULD GET TO TIER 1 AND 2 PRETTY EASILY WITHOUT -- I MEAN, I GUESS, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE EVALUATION, YOU HAVE THE IDEA FOR TIER THREE. LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET AND CLEAN IT OUT. I WOULD THINK TIERS, 1, 2 AND 3 WOULD HAPPEN SIMULTANEOUSLY. ONCE YOU HAVE THE TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT OF EACH PROPERTY, YOU EVALUATE IT AND GRADE IT.

MAYBE I'M OVER SIMPLIFYING THAT IN MY MIND.

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE TOO MUCH OF A LEAP TO GET FROM ONE TO THREE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AUGUST AND TALKING ABOUT DOING COUNCIL WORKSHOPS IN Q 3. WHICH IS AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER.

I'M STILL OKAY WITH THE REAL ESTATE PERSON BEING ALONGSIDE OF US ALONGSIDE THERE'S NOT A STOP IS MY POINT

>> THE ARCHITECT IS NOT EQUIPPED TO TELL YOU WHAT THE

FINANCIAL TERMS OF THAT ARE. >> SURE.

>> THEY'RE GOING TO GISZ. -- GUESS.

WHEREAS THE REAL ESTATE MAY KNOW THE OWNER OF THE LAND.

DONE A DEAL WITH THEM IN 1942. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BUYING IS THEIR EXPERTISE. WHEREAS AN ARCHITECT WITH THIS FIRM IS A DESIGN FIRM. THEY'RE LOOKING AT INHABITABILITY. WHAT THE LAND USE IS.

ACCESS TO FREEWAYS. ALL THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU DEFINE AND THEY'RE NOT FINANCIAL. I THINK THE BIGGEST PART OF THE PROJECT IS THE FINANCIAL PART. AS SOON AS WE GET THAT ENGAGEMENT THE FURTHER ALONG WE ARE.

>> SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT STARTED THIS DIALOGUE, THE DIFFERENT LAYERS EVER WHAT THEY'RE ASSESSING.

WE GOT THE FIRST LEVEL, SUITABILITY TO GET US DOWN TO 16 SITES. THE LENS THROUGH A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE. WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SITE SUIT ABILITY ASSESSMENT? ARE THEY LOOKING AT GRADING AND FLOOD PLAINS AND TREES? WHAT ALL IS INVOLVED IN THAT

COMPONENT? >> I'M LOOKING AT THEIR PROPOSAL. I WILL BRIEFLY TOUCH BASE.

JURISDICTIONAL AND REGULATORY FRAMEWORK.

UTILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL AND DRAINAGE CONSTRAINTS, CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS, OWNERSHIP AND DEVELOPMENT

LOGISTICS. >> THE LAST BULLET SOUNDS LIKE THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS WHEEL HOUSE.

WHAT WAS THE FIRST, JURISDICTIONAL?

>> AND REGULATORY FRAMEWORK. >> FLOOD PLAIN.

PLATTING AND ZONING. POTENTIAL ENTITLEMENT HURDLES.

>> THERE'S TOO MANY SAT WORDS IN ONE BULLET POINT, I'M SORRY.

SO THAT'S REALLY OUR THREE LAYERS AND THEN WE GET TO THERE AND THEN OUR FOURTH LAYER IS PUBLIC INPUT.

PUBLIC BUY IN. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DOING THE WORKSHOPS AND DESIGN SHIRRETS. THEY GET INTO WE SELECTED A SITE OR A NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVE SITES.

>> STILL ALTERNATIVE SITES. >> OKAY.

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>> I THINK EACH STEP OF THE PROCESS WE'RE TRYING TO WHITTLE THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT UNTIL WE END UP WITH A SMALL NUMBER THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH: OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL.

DOES THAT HELP? OKAY.

SO I KNOW YOU ASKED FOR THIS ITEM, AND -- JUST TO CLARIFY DIRECTION. WE'RE GOING TO RELEASE PAPER WELKER AND WORK ON IDENTIFYING AND ENGAGING A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL TO ASSIST US BEFORE WE MOVE PAST, FINALIZE STEP THREE AND BEGIN THE PUBLIC PROCESS.

>> I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. >> I AM TOO.

>> WHAT IS THAT TIMELINE? >> WELL, WE'RE RESTARTING.

I THINK THAT FROM TIER 1 TO THREE THREE WAS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS FOR THOSE STEPS. APPROXIMATELY FOUR MONTHS BEFORE

WE GET TO THE PLACE -- >> WHERE IN THIS HOLIDAY SEASON,

NOVEMBER, DECEMBER. >> BUT THAT GETS THINGS MOVING.

IT GETS PAPER WELKER BACK ENGAGED.

WE CONTINUE WITH THE ASSESSMENT OF THE SOQ.

THE SOQS FROM THE REAL ESTATE CONSULTANTS ARE DUE JULY 22ND.

AND -- HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE US FROM WHEN THE SOQS ARE SUBMITTED TO SELECTING AND APPOINTING A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL?

IS THAT A WEEK PROCESS? >> IT DEPENDS ON --

>> DAYS. >> WELL, THERE'S TWO STEPS.

SELECTION AND COMMITMENT TO CONTRACT NEGOTIATION.

THAT'S USUALLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 45 DAYS.

>> OKAY. SO, LET'S SAY, JULY 22ND AND WE ADD 45 DAYS. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY SEPTEMBER 1ST. AND HOW LONG DO WE ANTICIPATE

PAPER WELKER WILL TAKE. >> PROBABLY SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER

TIME FRAME. >> OKAY.

SO, TIME WISE THAT WORKS OUT. IN FACT THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL THAT'S THE MOST CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID.

OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,

CHRIS? >> YEAH.

JUST DRAGGING OUT TOO LONG. UNTIL YOU GET THAT PERSON IN THE ROOM AND KNOCKOUT THAT CONTRACT AND WILL TAKE 45 DAYS.

JUST GET THAT THING DONE IN A HURRY.

>> THAT'S THE REASON IT TAKES 45 DAYS.

>> NO OFFENSE. >> NONE AT ALL.

>> RED LINE THIS AND RED LINE THAT.

>> NO. HER RED LINES IS ALREADY GONE.

ALL RIGHT. >> I STRUGGLE THE MOST WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER. GRANTED MY BACKGROUND IS IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AND I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT CONCEPT BEING NEAR OR AROUND A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

JUST I HAVE NEVER LEASED AN ANIMAL SHELTER SO IT'S FOREIGN TO ME. IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE EASIEST PART OF THIS. IT COULD REALLY GO JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE. IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE ON THE SAME COMPLEX AS THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX.

SO, MAYBE THIS IS, YOU KNOW WRONG TO THINK, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHY DON'T WE KNOCK THAT OFF? WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PART OF OF THE 16.

WHERE THE HIGHEST IS BEST PLACE FOR IT TO BE AND WHAT IS THE COST FOR THAT? ISOLATE THAT.

WHILE WE'RE DOING ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.

>> SO, IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE THREE TIERS AS FAR AS TECHNICAL SUITABILITY. IT'S STILL IN THE HOPPER OF SEPTEMBER. NO MATTER WHAT.

IN MY MIND. I COULD BE WRONG.

>> I'M MAKING LEAPS BECAUSE WHERE IT'S LOCATED NOW, IT'S NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NEAR A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THAT'S PROBABLY A PRIVATE AREA.

YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT BEHIND YOUR HOUSE.

OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL, ENVIRONMENTAL OR ACCESS WISE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT PROBABLY THE 16 LOCATIONS.

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I'M JUST SAYING DO WE NEED TO TIE TO THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX OR

CAN WE JUST -- >> I DON'T SEE -- I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. IF IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER BY DEFAULT. IF IT CAN BE ISOLATED AND EXPEDITED BECAUSE IT'S SIMPER OR THE CONSTRAINTS ARE LESS OBVIOUS, OR IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH CONCRETE SO THERE'S LESS OF AN ISSUE WITH DRAINAGE AND FLOOD PLAIN AND JURISDICTIONAL AND

WHATEVER ELSE -- >> IF I CAN RESPOND BRIEFLY.

THE CONSTRAINTS ARE DIFFERENT. BUT THEY'RE NOT NONEXISTENT.

BECAUSE THIS DOES HAVE SIGNIFICANT EXTERIOR SPACE THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED FOR EXERCISE OF ANIMALS.

SO THE BUFFER INTEREST IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S ACCESSIBILITY TO THE PUBLIC IS STILL OF SIGNIFICANT INTEREST BECAUSE YOU WANT YOUR ANIMAL SHELTER TO BE SOME PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GO AND ADOPT ANIMALS. THERE'S CERTAINLY A BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING IN A LOCATION WHERE IT'S SENSITIVE TO THE ANIMALS AND NEIGHBORS AND OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE AND VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. SO IT IS A CHALLENGING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE STEPS ARE DIFFERENT.

IF COUNCIL KNEW WHERE THEY WANTED TO PUT IT AND COULD TELL US PUT IT HERE AND DOESN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PUBLIC PROCESS, FASTER. GOT IT.

IF WE HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU SAID THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, WE COULD SHORT CUT THIS PROCESS.

OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE EXACT SAME PROCESS FOR EITHER SITE. I DON'T SEE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT PROCESS EVEN SHORTER.

>> I WOULD ARGUE THE CURRENT LOCATION DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THE CRITERIA. ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.

I MEAN IT'S ON A ROAD. IT'S NOT HIGH VISIBILITY.

IT'S NOT, I'M GOING TO ADOPT AN ANIMAL TODAY.

IF YOU KNOW ABOUT IT AND YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS, CERTAINLY WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB PROMOTING IT IN COUNCIL.

>> SO WOULD YOU PROPOSAL BE FOR COUNCIL TO SEE THE SEVEN PROPERTIES ELIGIBLE AND PRIORITIZE IN ORDER OF 1 TO SEVEN AND HAVE THEM DO THE ASSESSMENT AND CONSIDER PURCHASING JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE?

>> I WOULD LOVE THIS COUNCIL DELIVER AN ANIMAL SHELTER SOONER

THAN LATER. >> STARS, WOULD WE JUST IGNORE PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER?

>> HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PROCESS?

>> I WOULD SUPPOSE IF WE'RE ABLE TO PULL IT OUT AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO ISOLATE THIS PROJECT AND KEEP ON GOING WITH THE OTHERS. JUST FOCUS ON THIS PROJECT, THEN WE'VE GOT SEVEN LOCATIONS IF THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM SAY ARE SUITABLE, YOU HAVE SEVEN LOCATIONS AND NEED THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THAT. ARE THEY OBTAINABLE? OR ARE THERE CURRENTLY BE LEASED OR VACANT WHAT IS THE STATUS? WHAT WOULD IT COST AND THEN I THINK YOU WOULD GO FOR PUBLIC

INPUT. >> SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME PROCESS.

I DON'T SEE -- >> HE'S TRYING TO FAST TRACK THAT PROCESS AND TAKE THAT PROCESS AND FAST TRACK IT.

IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING, A JAIL, A HOLDING CELL, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS AND TRYING TO SLIDE IN AN ANIMAL SHELTER. IN MY REAL ESTATE MIND, THAT'S

MORE COMPLEX. >> I THINK THE TIMELINE IS NOT BASED ON HOW COMPLEX IT IS. THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD FAST TRACK IT WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I'M TRYING TO ORGANIZE THE BLOCKS OF TIME IN MY MIND. YOU COULD DO THE PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE SEVEN SITES NOW OVER THE NEXT 45 DAYS IN CONJUNCTION OR CONCURRENTLY WITH DOING THE REAL ESTATE PIECE, CONCURRENTLY WITH WALKER DOING THE ASSESSMENT OF THE OTHER FACILITY AND DO THE PUBLIC INPUT AT THAT TIME. WE GET TO THE END OF THE WINDOW AND HAND OFF THE PRIORITY OF SITES TO WALKER AND TO THE REAL ESTATE FOLKS AND THEY SPEND THE NEXT 30 TO 60 DAYS ASSESSING SITES FROM A TECHNICAL SUIT ACT STANDPOINT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PRACTICAL, BUT THE ONLY WAY IS

TO OVERLAP A LAYER. >> AND I AM GOING TO DISAGREE.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT A STEP. IT ISN'T ABOUT CHANGING THE ORDER OF THE STEPS. IF YOU WANT TO SHORTEN THE TIME,

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YOU HAVE TO REMOVE A STEP. IF THERE'S AN ANALYSIS THAT YOU WANT TO NOT HAVE DONE, FASTER. IF YOU JUST WANT TO CHANGE THE ORDER, IT JUST MEANS YOU CHANGED THE ORDER.

THE SAME STEPS REQUIRE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

>> NOT IF THEY'RE RUNNING CONCURRENTLY.

>> THEY ARE ALREADY RUNNING CONCURRENTLY.

WE ARE ALREADY RUNNING CONCURRENTLY.

>> BECAUSE THE COUNCIL WORKSHOPS ARE RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME,

>> FOR BOTH SITES. FOR ALL SITES.

WHEN WE GET THERE, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND THE PUBLICITY SAFETY BUILDING. THOSE ARE THE SAME PROCESS FOR THOSE BUILDINGS. AND WE WILL INCLUDE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER, PUBLIC SAFETY AND IF THEY EXIST, OPTIONS FOR ALL THREE IN THE SAME SPACE.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING, THE STEPS ARE THE SAME.

RELATIVE IMPORTANCE, NOT GOING TO DISAGREE ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY.

IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. AGAIN, FOR THE CRITERIA FOR EACH SITE BETWEEN ANIMAL SHELTER IS DIFFERENT.

THE ANALYSIS IS THE SAME. YOU ARE STILL RUNNING THROUGH A SET OF CRITERIA ANALYSIS AND THEY HAVE A TEAM HERE.

THIS IS ALL SELFED OUT. THEY ARE MANAGING THE SUB CONTRACTORS. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE BROKEN IT DOWN THIS WAY. AND, MY FEAR IS IF WE TRY TO SAY, OKAY, GET THIS DONE FASTER, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN SLOWER.

JUST MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS.

IF YOU SHIFT THEIR FOCUS OVER HERE AND SAY THIS HAS TO HAPPEN FASTER, THEY WILL TAKE THEIR FOCUS AWAY FROM THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. I COULD BE WRONG.

WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THEM. I HAVE NO CONCERN ASKING THEM.

CAN YOU THINK OF A PROCESS GET TO THE FINISH LINE WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER THAN THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, I WILL ASK THAT QUESTION. IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THAT WITHOUT SKIPPING A STEP, WE WILL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL YOU'RE WILLING TO SKIP A

STEP. >> I NEVER SUGGESTED SKIPPING A STEP. I'M JUST SAYING BUILDING A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX IS FAR MORE COMPLEX THAN AN ANIMAL SHELTER.

IF I WAS AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, I WOULD SAY, HERE'S MY ANIMAL SHELTER GUY, GO. GO.

VERSUS A MUNICIPAL COMPLEX THAT INCLUDES A JAIL, WHICH IS VERY COMPLEX. VERY EXPENSIVE.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER.

I CAN'T SEE THE GANT CHART FOR ALL THESE USES BEING EXACT SAME.

WE DELIVER ALL THIS ON THE SAME DAY.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO. YOU'RE GOING TO DELIVER THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX AT A DIFERENT TIME THAN THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM YOU ASKING THEM IF THEY CAN DO THAT AS LONG AS THAT DOESN'T CREATE A REACTION THAT'S GOING TO SIDE

LINE THE DIRECTION. >> I'M THINKING IF WE START PUTTING WRINKLES IN IT, IT WILL THROW EVERYTHING OFF.

THE ANIMALS WON'T HAVE A BIG ENOUGH SPACE.

WE ALREADY BUILT THIS THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE THREE YEARS PAST AND BUSTING AT THE SEAMS WHERE THEY ARE. THEY ARE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE I GUESS I COULD SAY, KEEPING PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM. THEY WILL BE BUSTING THAT SAPPHIRE BAY. WE GET TO GET THE PROCESS.

MOVE ON THAT PROCESS AND KEEP GOING.

AND DON'T SLOW DOWN. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE WAITING ON THEM TO DO THESE ASSESSMENTS FOR US UNTIL DOWN TO THREE. WE NEED TO KEEP MOVING.

THEN WHEN THEY CAN START DOING THE ASSESSMENTS, TO WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS OR NOT, ABOUT GETTING THE CORRECT PRICE THAT WE PAY TOO MUCH OR WHAT.

I'M WORRIED WE PROBABLY WELL. WE PROBABLY CAN'T HELP IT.

PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS TODAY. WE HAVE TO KEEP MOVING.

THIS MONEY IS 2023. RIGHT.

RIGHT NOW IF WE BUILT IT TODAY, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE?

TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS? >> TWO YEARS MINIMUM.

BY THE TIME WE FINISH THIS PROCESS, IT WILL BE NEXT WE'RE.

I'M PRETTY SURE WE WON'T FINISH UNTIL JUNE NEXT YEAR.

>> AND WE STILL NEED TO DESIGN THE BUILDING.

>> THAT'S JUST IT. WE KEEP ON PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S KICKING THE CAN.

I DO WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. I WANT US TO KEEP GOING AND GET THIS THING DOWN THE ROAD. WE ARE SETTING OUT THOSE RFQS.

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CONTINUE YOUR RFQS. CONTINUE MOVING WITH THIS.

AND LET'S GET TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE AND QUIT HAVING THINGS THAT SIDELINE US. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

>> I DON'T WANT TO DO PARALYSIS BY ANALYSIS.

>> THERE YOU GO. >> SO, WHAT I HEAR AND I THINK THE DIRECTION IS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING WALKER AUTHORIZATION TO GET BACK TO WORK ON TIERS ONE, TWO AND THREE AND ASK THEM TO DO EVERYTHING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IF THEY CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN PARALLEL WITHOUT IMPACTING THE PROJECT OF THE MUNICIPAL

COMPLEX. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MAYBE ABLE TO. YOU SAID THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE WORKING ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS?

>> WE WILL ASK THE QUESTION. AND HAVE A STRONG PREFERENCE FOR

THE RIGHT ANSWER. >> YES, BUT LET'S KEEP MOVING.

LET'S NOT TO GET SIDELINED AND STUFF.

IF WE ARE GOING TO BE SIDELINED LET'S HAVE A MEETING TO WORK IT

OUT. >> YEAH, I MET WITH CHRISTOF AND ASKED THAT QUESTION. HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW WE'RE ON TRACK? WE DON'T WANT A REPEAT OF OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN OFF TRACK AND CAUSED US GRIEF. WE NEED VISIBILITY INTO THAT AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE COMES IN THAT HAS THE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF VISIBILITY.

THIS IS A GREAT VIEW INTO THAT. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY. THAT REALLY HELPS AND GIVES US INSIGHT TO WHERE WE ARE AND NEXT STEPS.

SO, YEAH. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH GETTING THEM BACK TO WORK ON THE NEXT STEPS OF TIER, 1, TWO AND 3.

MOVING FORWARD. KEEP ON MOVING US.

>> THE BIGGEST SIDELINE IS SO WE CAN TALK.

>> ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT COURSE OF ACTION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. VERY GOOD.

COUNCIL, BEFORE WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE WILL GO TO ITEM 3 A. WE WILL CALL A BRIEF RECESS.

IT'S 8:27 P.M.

[3.A. Conduct interview of applicants to fill a vacancy for an unexpired term on the Rowlett Housing Finance Corporation (HFC) Board of Directors. (Part 2 of 2)]

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>> ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL.

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IT'S 8:39. WE WILL GO BACK TO ITEM 3 A.

WE GOT WORD FROM THE SECOND APPLICANT ON OUR LIST SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT. SHE SENDS HER REGRETS.

WE HAVE TWO APPLICANTS BEFORE US.

THE FIRST WAS VALENCIA AND CHRISTINA LEE WAS THE FIRST APPLICANT WE HAVE. SO I WILL START THINGS OFF.

I THINK THAT CHRISTINA HAS A HUGE HEART AND LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO SERVE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE HFC IS THE RIGHT SPOT. I THINK SHE, SHE EVEN LISTED HER FIRST CHOICE OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONERS AS PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. I THINK I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HER REAPPLY WHEN WE OPEN UP THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS LATER IN THE YEAR. BUT MY CHOICE IS VALENCIA.

I THINK SHE HAS A TREMENDOUS BACKGROUD AND A TON OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS REALM THAT WOULD MAKE HER A REALLY GOOD FIT. DESPITE HER SHORT TENURE AS A RESIDENT. OTHER THOUGHTS?

COMMENTS. >> I CONCUR WITH THAT.

>> I CONCUR. >> SHE DID PICK TWO INTERESTING BOARDS, THE HFC AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

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