Aug 03, 2026 City Council Work Session

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>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

[2. Citizens’ Input]

THE CITY COUNCIL SNOW PRESENT IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM.

PRIOR TO THE MEETING WE WILL OPEN WITH CITIZENS INPUT.

AN HOUR LATER. NOW OR LATER.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS RESIDENTIAL SEPARATED.

RIGHT NOW THEY ARE KIND OF CONJOINED.

DIFFICULT TO PULL IT BETWEEN THEM.

[INDISCERNIBLE] MOTION SENSORS MUST BE USED AT ALL TIMES. ORDINANCES MUST BE RETROACTIVE IF IN PLACE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT LIGHT TYPES.

THE CITY USES A FOOT CANDLELIGHT VALUE OF 1.1 FOOT-CANDLES.

I ALSO SENT YOU A VIDEO THAT DOES SHOW WHERE MY NEIGHBOR HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE COLUMN. HE SHOT A VIDEO WITH A LIGHT METER AND IT SHOWS IT AT .11 FOOT-CANDLES.

WHICH IS THE LOW THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS TO BE IN THE CITY.

THE OTHER CITY USES 1.0 FOR A VALUE.

COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER LOOKING AT THAT.

ALSO I REQUEST THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY READ THIS VERY HARD.

FOR A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT SUBSECTIONS IT IS JUST NOT ENFORCEABLE THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN.

THEY ARE TO VAGUE-- THEY ARE TOO VAGUE.

AND THIS PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.

SO THIS DOCUMENT SHOULD BE CONDENSED.

IT NEEDS TO BE DIRECT, TO THE POINT.

THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT WITHOUT THE HARD DETAILS. WITHOUT THE DETAILS... YOU WILL STILL HAVE PROBLEMS IN UNDERSTANDING.

ALSO, LIGHTING ORDINANCE... [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE AND OTHER ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN... SO HEADING THIS DOCUMENT WITH GOOD FIND DETAILS IS NOT GOING TO PREVENT THIS. IT WILL PREVENT HOW IT'S RED AND HOW IT'S NOT RED. THANK YOU.

>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVE. FOLLOWED BY DENISE.

>> DAVE PAUL. RALLIED.

RUMOR HAS IT THAT DART WAS INSTALLING A HOT FENCE NEXT TO BATTLE POINT ARC. THIS WAS TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM JUMPING OFF THE BRIDGE AND TO THE LAKE.

PEOPLE ARE STILL JUMPING OFF THE BRIDGE AND DYING.

WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW AND GET BACK TO ME.

AND I WILL BELIEVE OUR DART BOARD MEMBER AND REQUESTING ROWLETT CITY COUNCILMEMBER BO THOUGHT THAT THIS FENCE WAS INSTALLED. AS LONG AS WE ARE THINKING ABOUT FENCES, YOUR BARBED WIRE FENCE BETWEEN YOUR RAILROAD, PADDLEBOARD PART, AND MIKE ACO HAS BEEN DAMAGED AT THE NORTH CORNER OF MY KCL PROPERTY. AS AN AWNING-- UNINTENDED-- UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, SOME OF THOSE BAD ACTORS ARE NOW PARKING IN THE LIMITED PARKING SPACES AT POWERPOINT PARK AND HAVE CREATED A NEW TRAIL THROUGH OUR PROPERTY AND THROUGH THE POISON IVY AND OVER YOUR DAMAGED FENCE. THE CITY WILL NOT LET ME REPAIR A BARBED WIRE FENCE. WOULD YOU, DART, PLEASE FIX YOUR

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ON THE EAST SIDE OF YOUR RAILROAD AND THE WEST SIDE OF MY PROPERTY. YOU HAVE A FENCE ALONG YOUR RAILROAD. WHEN THE CITY WAS REPAIRING THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE TO MY PROPERTY, THE CITY BULLDOZED THE END OF THIS BARBED WIRE FENCE INTO THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE.

IT HAS NOT BEEN REPAIRED. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TRESPASSING ON MY PROPERTY TO YOUR RAILROAD SO THEY CAN JUMP OFF OF YOUR BRIDGE AND DIED. ALSO I DON'T WANT THEM USING MY PROPERTY TO ACCESS THE ABANDONED LAKESIDE PARK TO CONDUCT NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES. PADDLE POINT PARK IS SO SMALL AND USUALLY CROWDED THAT PATRONS HAVE TO PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE LIMITED SPACES USED FOR PADDLE SPORTS EDUCATION AND INSTRUCTION AND DEMONSTRATE-- GENERATE SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THE STATE AND ROWLETT. IF YOU ARE UNWILLING TO FREE UP THOSE PARKING SPACES, MAYBE DART COULD BUILD ANOTHER NEARBY PARKING LOT TO ONLY BE USED BY PEOPLE WHO TRESPASS ON THEIR RAILROAD TO JUMP OFF OF THE BRIDGE.

AND MAYBE SOME MOU BETWEEN DART AND THE CITY TO ACCESS-- TO USE THE PARKING LOT TO ACCESS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE NORTHPARK FOR CONDUCTION OF NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. >> OUR NEX SPEAKER IS DENISE.

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M HERE TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE SECTION 77... WE HAVE SUBSECTORS ON THE CODE... HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR THIS. THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> I'M CONCERNED THIS ORDINANCE WILL BE WEAPON NICE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE COUNTY ENFORCEMENT COMING TO YOUR HOUSE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, SPENDING HOURS TAKING PICTURES OF YOUR FENCE.

IT'S UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR AND A VIOLATION OF MY PRIVACY.

I WILL NOT SIT AND WATCH CODE OFFICERS WITH THEIR NAME TAGS TURNED BACKWARD SO I CANNOT SEE THEIR NAMES, SPENDING HOURS OUTSIDE MY PRIVATE RESIDENTS, AS THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.

IF THE CITY WANTS TO ENFORCE THESE HIGHLY TECHNICAL LAWS...

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> WE LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE COYOTES AND WILD ANIMALS REGULARLY COME OUT AT NIGHT.

TO PROTECT OUR FAMILIES, PETS AND PROPERTIES, PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MUST HAVE ADEQUATE LIGHT.

FURTHERMORE, THIS AFFECT OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOBS AT NIGHT. OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT NEED TO BE SAFE WHILE WORKING TO PROTECT US, LIKE EVERY CITIZEN IN THIS ROOM. MY REQUEST UNITE IS SIMPLE.

DO NOT OPENNESS CAN OF WORMS... DO NOT USE CODE ENFORCEMENT TO WEAPON EYES IT AGAINST INNOCENT HOMEOWNERS.

LET'S LOOK BACK AT ANOTHER ORDINANCE.

THIS ISSUE IS ALREADY INCURRED AND ADDRESSED BEFORE THE ORDINANCE WAS EVER PAST-- PASSED.

I RECOMMEND TO LOOK AT THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SECTION, APRIL

18TH, 2023... >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS HASSAN B GOOD EVENING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR OUTDOOR LIGHT.

WITHOUT THE LIGHT IT IS KIND OF DANGEROUS IN THE DARK.

WE'LL DEAL WITH WILD ANIMALS-- WE DEAL WITH WILD ANIMALS AND OTHER THAN ERIC. [INDISCERNIBLE] BECAUSE SOME NEIGHBORS GO OUTSIDE AT NIGHT.

THEY USE THEM TO LIGHT UP THEIR YARDS AND CHASE THE WILD ANIMALS AWAY. SMALL DOGS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THIS. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> NOW SECTION 77 DASH 510-- 77 HALF-- 77-510...

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>> UP TO $2000 FOR EACH OF FENCE, IT IS TERRIBLE TO PUNISH PEOPLE FOR JUST-- FOR JUST WANTING TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTIES. THE CITY SHOULD LET ALL LIGHT STAY. WE ARE MAKING THINGS HARD FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. LET US NOT OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS. WE ALREADY HAVE THE TOOLS NEEDED TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SAFE. AND I BELIEVE THIS ORDINANCE WILL... [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> THANK YOU. THE LAST SPEAKER I HAVE HERE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS DAN. I LIVE IN THE SAME AREA AS THE OTHER GENTLEMEN SPEAKING ABOUT THE PARKING ORDINANCE.

-- THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE. I HAVE A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

THERE IS PLENTY OF LIGHTING, AND PLENTY OF WAYS TO DIRECT THE LIGHTING DOWNWARDS AND NOT TOWARDS MY HOUSE.

I GO OUTSIDE TO TAKE MY DOGS OUTSIDE, AT 4:00 A.M. I HAVE A SPOTLIGHT IN MY FACE. SPEAKING BACK TO HAVING LIGHT, BACK TO RESIDENTIAL. SPEAKING TO THAT, EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVACY.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LIGHTING ON YOUR PROPERTY TO KEEP ANIMALS AND ELIMINATE-- ILLUMINATE YOUR AREA AND YOUR WHOLE PROPERTY, ANYTHING WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO NOT DIRECTED IN TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES. I HAVE SEEN THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT. INDIRECT LIGHTING SHINING MAYBE RIGHT AT SOMEONE'S HOUSE CAN CAST A SHADOW-- A SHADOW.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR SENDING OUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.

THEY TRIED TO COVER UP THE LIGHT, BUT THEY DID NOT DO THE OTHER ONE. SO THEY MADE AN ATTEMPT.

BUT IT'S LIKE THEY PUT A PIECE OF CLOUDED PLASTIC OVER THE LIGHT. AND INSTEAD OF IT BEING AN INTENSE CLEAR LENS, IT IS A CLOUDED LENS NOW.

IT'S STILL INTENSE. AND THANK YOU TO THE CHIEF AND HIS TEAM FOR HELPING US OUT WITH THE ALARM AT THE BACK DOOR.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THIS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ENQUEUE.

>> THANK YOU, I-- THAT IS ALL-- THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I AM BEING TOLD THAT NEITHER OF OUR CAMERAS ARE WORKING. SO WE WILL TAKE A BRIEF RECESS.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, DOES ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK WITH THE CITIZENS INPUT? THANK YOU.

JOHN? >> YES.

THE WILD ANIMALS ARE NOT SCARED OF LIGHT.

ONCE THEY SEE TH LIGHT, THEY SEE IT AND THEY WILL WALK RIGHT UP TO IT. I SEE CRITTERS AND COYOTES, BOBCATS. POSSUMS, RACCOONS, AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS. THE LIGHTS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANIMALS. THEY DON'T CARE.

UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING MAKING A NOISE THAT WILL SCARE THEM ON-- OFF, THAT WILL DO SOMETHING.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE A NOISE VIOLATION.

SO THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. SO WE ALL NEED TO LEARN TO LIVE TOGETHER. THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

WEEK, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, ATTEMPTED TO BE FRIENDLY AND DO SOMETHING NICE AND GET IT WORKED OUT.

THAT DID NOT OCCUR. WE JUST NEED TO PUT TOGETHER SOME SORT OF LIGHT ORDINANCE THAT MAKES SENSE.

LET'S DO THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? IT LOOKS LIKE THE CAMERAS ARE BOTH STILL NOT WORKING.

SO WE WILL TAKE A BRIEF RECESS, AND WHEN WE HAVE THAT SORTED

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WE ARE BACK, OPEN IN OUR WORK SESSION. IT IS 6:39 P.M.

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[3.A. Receive a presentation regarding an update from Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART). ]

BUT SHE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. WE ARE BACK IN OUR WORK SESSION.

ITEM CREATE IS TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT. SO OUR FRIENDS FROM DART WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION FOR US. AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE

MIGHT HAVE ALONG THE WAY. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS DAVID.

I AM THE INTERIM CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR DART.

SO I AM GOING TO GO OFF SCRIPT AT THE OUTSET.

A COUPLE THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE INTERIM. BECAUSE THE BOARD NOW HAS SELECTED THE NEW INCOMING CHIEF EXECUTIVE, NOT FORWARD FROM JACKSONVILLE. HE WILL-- NOT FORWARD, FROM JUST-- JACKSONVILLE. HE WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, VISITING A COUPLE DAYS PER WEEK.

IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, BEFORE HE GETS HERE.

WE WILL BE WORKING WITH STAFF AND WITH HIM TO CORNEILLE TO HIS ARRIVAL. HE TYPICALLY ARRIVES AFTER THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED. SO HIS TIME IS VERY GOOD FROM HIS STANDPOINT. NOT SO MUCH FOR MINE.

SO WITH THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GOT THE BENEFIT OF THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION. WITH ME TONIGHT IS CAITLIN HOLLAND. VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE.

SHE WILL BE BACK. SHE HAS A COUPLE YOUNG CHILDREN THAT SHE HAS ALSO ASKED-- IS EXPOSING TO DEMOCRACY THIS EVENING. [LAUGHTER]

>> AND KAY SHELTON. THE CHIEF OF STAFF AT DART.

SHE HAS BEEN OUT HERE ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS.

AS HAS CAITLIN. ONE OTHER THING, BEFORE THE MAIN PRESENTATION, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT OUR WORK-- WORTH TALKING ABOUT THAT OCCURRED IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.

FIFA FOR THE REGION WAS A VERY GOOD THING.

AND IT WAS A GOOD THING FOR DART.

WE HAD A GOOD EXPERIENCE. OUR ROLE WAS TO GET PEOPLE OVER FROM THE CENTRE CITY DALLAS AREA OVER TO THE AIRPORT, TO CENTER REPORT. AND THERE WAS A BUS BRIDGE THAT WAS CONNECTING DOWN TO THE STADIUM.

WE CARRIED BETWEEN SIX AND 10,000 PEOPLE PER DAY, COMING FROM BOTH FORT WORTH AND DALLAS. ABOUT 80% WOULD COME FROM DALLAS. IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE.

WE LEARNED A LOT OF POSITIVES OUT OF THAT.

ONE OF THEM IS THAT IT TAKES A LARGE AGENCY TO CARRY THAT MANY PEOPLE. BUT IT WAS THE FANS AND OUR OWN LOCAL RIDERS. WE APPRECIATE THAT WE HAD LOTS OF COVERAGE. NOT JUST POLICE, BUT CUSTOMER SERVICE COVERAGE. ON THE PLATFORMS. AND WE GENUINELY APPRECIATE THAT.

IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY.

IT WAS A HELPFUL MORALE BUILDER TO SAY THE LEAST FOR ALL OF US.

THE OTHER THING THAT OCCURRED, THAT I WILL POINT TO, AND THIS INFORMATION WILL COME OUT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, DART DOES AN ANNUAL CUSTOMER SURVEY. AND USUALLY IT IS SOMETIME IN THE EARLY WINTER. THIS ONE WAS DONE IN APRIL.

AND IT MEASURES A VARIETY OF THINGS.

A PROPENSITY TO RIDE THE SYSTEM. CLEANLINESS, SAFETY, AND THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A "NET PROMOTER SCORE." VIRTUALLY, ON ALL OF THOSE, WE WERE UP SUBSTANTIALLY FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. THAT SAYS A COUPLE THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED ON IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

IT ALSO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WAS AWAY FROM DART.

I RETIRED AS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER IN 2018.

I CAME BACK AS INTERIM. ONCE BEFORE.

IN 2020, DURING COVID PERIOD. NOW I AM BACK.

MY OBSERVATION IS THAT WE ARE OVER COVID.

ONE THING IS VERY CLEAR. ALL OF OUR INDEXES GOING FORWARD SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON PRECOVID, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON COVID EXPERIENCE. WE SHOULD BE BENCHMARKING FROM ABOUT THIS YEAR GOING FORWARD. WE ARE CLEARLY BEYOND THE RELEVANCE OF COVID AND IT'S ENCOURAGING, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO JUST WORK ON THE BUSINESS ITSELF.

AND I KEEP REFERENCING BACK TO A VERY BAD EXPERIENCE.

I AM GUESSING THAT I CAN CONTROL THIS?

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I AM A PERSON THAT DOES NOT LIKE TO READ LITERALLY OFF OF SLIDES.

SO I WILL CUT BACK SOME OF THE COMMENTARY SO I'M NOT DOING THAT LITERALLY. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE SENT-- THAT YOU UNDERSTAND-- WE WILL TALK ABOUT SERVICE AND RIDERSHIP TRENDS. SECURITY A LITTLE BIT.

CAITLIN IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSIT RIDER DEVELOPMENT AND AREA PLANS THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN WITH US.

CLEARLY WE NEED TO TACKLE A BIT ABOUT FUNDING GOVERNANCE.

IT'S VERY RELEVANT. OBVIOUSLY THE GDP IS SOMETHING THAT'S OF INTEREST TO YOU, BUT ALSO THE CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT AND THE INDICATION OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE YOUR SOUL DESIGNEE AND APPOINTEE TO THE BOARD.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT EXPRESS THE REGRETS OF MARK AND RANDALL, WHO INTENDED TO BE HERE, BUT SOMETHING CAME UP AND THEY HAD A PERSONAL MATTER. SO THEY WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND.

BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE VERY MUCH MISSING OUT ON THIS. OKAY.

BEAR WITH ME. LET ME SEE WHERE I AM.

THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE DONE.

WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK. SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE. I AM NOT USED TO THIS.

IF IT WAS A TV REMOTE I WOULD HAVE IT UNDER CONTROL.

WE WILL TRY THIS AGAIN. IT'S USEFUL PERIODICALLY TO REMIND OURSELVES THAT WE DO HAVE A BIG SYSTEM.

93 MILES OF LIGHT RAIL. COMMUTER RAIL WE JUST OPENED UP THE SILVER LINE AT THE STATION. AND IT IS PERFORMING NICELY.

IT'S OVER 2000 RIDES PER DAY AND GROWING.

TRE IS ABOUT 4000 THESE DAYS. I WILL TELL YOU, THE TRE IS DOWN. AND IT'S NOT JUST DUE TO COVID.

AT ONE TIME IT WAS AS MUCH AS SEVEN OR 8000.

IT IS NOW DOWN IN THE FOUR OR 5000 RANGE.

AND WE HAVE BUS ROUTES MENTIONED HERE.

I WILL TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT GOAT LINK, AND IT'S IMPACT.

AND WE HAVE PARATRANSIT. FUNDAMENTALLY, THE SERVICE BEING DELIVERED HERE FREE VOLVO FOR YOU, WE HAVE THREE MODES.

PARATRANSIT, WHICH YOU HAVE HAD SINCE THE INCEPTION.

I WAS HERE WHEN THE LIGHT RAIL OPENED UP, SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 2016, 2017 TIME FRAME. AND GO LINK HAS BEEN INTRODUCED SUBSEQUENTLY, AND THE BUS HAS BEEN REMOVED, AND GO LINK HAS PERFORMED VERY NICELY. AS MENTIONED HERE, 24-25, WE EXPANDED THE ZONES AT SOUTHEAST GARLAND.

WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION BEFORE I GO TOO MUCH FURTHER.

ONE OF THE THINGS BEFORE I REJOINED DART WAS I CALLED ON ALL THE CITY MANAGERS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REALLY CLEAR AMONG MANY OF THE CITIES WAS THAT THEY HAD ALL BEEN APPROACHED BY VIA, ANOTHER PROVIDER THAT THEY ARE DOING WORK AROUND, AND ANOTHER-- ANOTHER ONE OF THE CITIES THEY WERE DOING WORK IN WAS PLANO. AND THERE IS A LOT OF WORK IN THAT ON-DEMAND. BUT ALL THE CITIES HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED ON-DEMAND.

WHAT WE CAME TO RECOGNIZE WAS A COUPLE THINGS.

NUMBER 1, VIRTUALLY EVERY CITY MANAGER WE TALKED TO SAID WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON A MORE TIMELY BASIS.

WE GET IT ONCE A MONTH, EVERY QUARTER.

WE NEED IT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THAT.

WE NEED DASHBOARDS. SOMETHING ONLINE.

AND WE CAN DO THAT. YOU HAVE ONE NOW.

YOU HAVE A DASHBOARD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALL CONNECTED IN YET. BUT ON THE GO LINK SERVICE, IT'S

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HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE ARE, WHAT TIME OF THE DAY.

AND IT'S A REASONABLE QUESTION. IN VIRTUALLY EVERY CITY I'VE TALKED TO THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE RIDERS ARE, WHERE THEY ARE BEING PICKED UP, WHERE THEY ARE GOING, HOW MANY THEY ARE, WHAT MODE THEY LIKE, WHAT THEY DON'T.

WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. THOSE ARE REASONABLE QUESTIONS.

SO WE SAID WE CAN DO THAT. WE WILL HAVE THE DASHBOARD FOR ALL OUR 12 CITIES BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

THE OTHER THING I SAID THAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN DO A LOT MORE ON MICRO-TRANSIT THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN OFFERING.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN OFFERING PEOPLE IS BASICALLY WHAT I CALL BASELINE. THE IDEA OF GO LINK, AND I WAS HERE WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED IT AT DART, THE IDEA WAS TO PROVIDE SHORT COVERAGE. IF YOU DID NOT HAVE BUS SERVICE, OR ANY OTHER MODE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS SOME MODE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT PEOPLE IN YOUR RESIDENT AREA WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC TRANSIT OPTION TO GET TO THE RAIL LINES, TO A BUS TRANSIT CENTER. SO THAT WAS COVERAGE.

IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE HIGHLY FLEXIBLE.

IT WAS REALLY INTENDED TO BE THE LAST MILE SOLUTION.

WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE CITIES THAT HAVE MADE VARIOUS IMPLEMENTATIONS NOW, IN VAIN, THEY ARE TRYING TO CREATE A LOOP SYSTEM INSIDE THE URBAN CENTER. IN MADISON THEY WANTED SOMETHING TO GET MORE PEOPLE FROM THE HOTELS TO THE RESTAURANTS AND THE TOLLROAD. EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT IDEA.

AND IT IS CLEAR THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE TAILORED TO THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND INTERESTS OF THE CITY. WE CAN DO THAT.

MICRO-TRANSIT IS BY DEFINITION FLEXIBLE.

THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA. IT'S NOT A FIXED ROUTE SERVICE.

SO IT'S NOT EASY TO CHANGE IT. WE HAVE TO JUST CHANGE THE WAY WE STRUCTURE THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE CITY.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.

WE WILL BE COMING BACK FOR OPTIONS-- WITH OPTIONS FOR YOU TO IMPROVE THE SERVICE OUT HERE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RIDERSHIP A LITTLE BIT, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THAT THE IMPACT OF GO LINK-- FOR YOU OVER THE YEARS, IT'S GROWING.

THE RIDERSHIP HERE IS INCREASING REALLY EVERY YEAR.

IT SAYS GO LINK CONTINUES TO GROW 60,000, GETTING UP ON 80,000. 75% OF THE TRIPS ARE DESTINED FOR DALLAS. GARLAND ACCOUNTS FOR 17%.

ONE TO THREE IS RICHARDSON. 60% OF YOUR RIDERS USE DART FIVE DAYS PER WEEK. SO THAT TELLS YOU ABOUT COMMUTERS. 30% USE IT FOUR TO FIVE TIMES PER WEEK. YOU HAVE FREQUENT RIDERS THAT ARE USING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS. THIS IS THE HEAT MAP.

THE HEAT MAP ON THE DASHBOARD. IT SHOWS YOU PRECISELY WHERE THE ORIGIN AND DESTINATION IS. BUT YOU CAN TELL VERY SPECIFICALLY WHERE YOU ARE GOING.

DOWNTOWN, TARGET. WALMART.

WALMART SHOWS UP A LOT IN THESE THINGS.

AND SAME THING HERE. I THINK THE PONT IS THAT ONE THING WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE NAME OF THE RIDERS, WHERE THEY WANT TO GET PICKED UP AND DROPPED OFF.

WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT. NOW, WE HAVE TO ALSO RECOGNIZE AND BE PRIVATE ABOUT THEIR INFORMATION.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW IS HOW THEY ARE ALL RIDING.

BUT WHAT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DO IS PRODUCE A MAILING LIST FOR A COMMERCIAL VENDOR. THAT'S THE ONE THING WE DO NOT DO. WHEN I WAS IN DART PREVIOUSLY WE GOT THE LAW CHANGED, SO ALL THAT INFORMATION SAYS IT CANNOT BE REVEALED. IT CANNOT BE ACCESSED BY PUBLIC RECORDS. THIS IS A CHART I REALLY HATE, HONESTLY. IF YOU LOOK AT IT IT SAYS WE HAD 17, ALMOST 18 MILLION RIDERS IN THAT QUARTER.

IN THIS QUARTER 14-2. ALMOST 3 MILLION.

AND THAT IS A BIG LOSS IN A RIDERSHIP IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME. ONE OF THE THINGSTHAT DART HAS TO DO, AND THE NEW TEAM WILL REALLY HAVE TO FOCUS ON, HIS RIDERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. WE CAN'T HAVE A SYSTEM THAT

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WHAT ARE THEY, HOW DO WE FIND THEM.

WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE AND MAKE AVAILABLE.

BUT WE CAN'T ACCEPT A DECLINE IN RIDERSHIP.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU PUT OUT AS A GOAL, OR EVEN AS A FACT AND SIMPLY SAY IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE DO HAVE SOME ABILITY AND IMPACT. AND YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT THAT MORE THIS YEAR. WITH RESPECT TO SERVICES, AND I'M GOING TO JUMP IN TO THE GOVERNANCE PAGE HERE IN A MINUTE. THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE FY27. WHICH WE JUST BRIEFED THE BOARD ON LAST FRIDAY. THE SAME SERVICES THAT ARE IN PLACE THIS YEAR. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NEXT YEAR IS THIS YEAR, OR THIS YEAR IS NEXT YEAR IN TERMS OF SERVICES.

NO INCREASES OR DECREASES. THAT IS THE OUTLINE.

SOME OF THAT IS PURPOSEFUL BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON ONE THING IN PARTICULAR, AND THAT IS THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, BRINGING THE GOVERNANCE PROGRAM FORWARD.

HAVING IT ADOPTED BY THE LEGISLATURE, AND HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2027.

THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A 21 MEMBER BOARD-- DART 821 MEMBER BOARD.

YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER WHO YOU WOULD APPOINT FOR THAT. BUT THE SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME. WHAT WE ARE REALLY GOING TO FOCUS ON IS DEVELOPING RIDERSHIP LEVEL IMPROVEMENT.

BUT WITHOUT A CHANGE IN SERVICE LEVEL, REALLY FOCUS ON THE NEXT ROUND OF GOVERNANCE WHICH IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT-- NOT A LOT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAD. A 21 MEMBER BOARD IS NOT NEW.

THEY WILL HAVE TO FIND MORE SEATS ON THE DAIS.

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SECURITY. OUR CHAIRMAN HAS TALKED A LOT ABOUT SAFETY AND SECURITY. AND IT'S INCREASING FOCUS IN THIS. HE TALKS A LOT ABOUT AN INTEREST IN SEEING IF WE CAN GATE THE SYSTEM.

BASICALLY MEANING PHYSICAL BARRIERS THAT YOU HAVE TO PASS THROUGH. THAT YOU HAVE BONA FIDE CREDENTIALS AND EVIDENCE OF PAYMENT BEFORE YOU CAN PASS THROUGH. I JUST DISTRIBUTED A STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

WHERE THEY ARE EXAMINING GATING THEIR SYSTEM.

ST. LOUIS IS GATING THEIR SYSTEM.

L.A. IS LOOKING AT GAINING A LOT OF THEIR SYSTEM.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF RECOGNITION THAT WE HAVE TO NOW RECONSIDER ABOUT THE SYSTEMS IN THE NEW MARKET AND NEW ENVIRONMENT.

SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF ENGINEERING WORK DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR TO REVIEW THIS. IF ONE THING WE WILL BE ANNOUNCING IS A SPECIAL TEST IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA IN DALLAS USING HUMAN BARRIERS. AND POTENTIALLY SENDING OUT A UNIFORM TO VERIFY THAT EVERYONE WHO BOARDS ND BOARDS HAS A PASS FOR THE TRAIN. WE WILL TALK ABOUT MORE STAFFING ON THE TRAINS AND ABOUT DIFFERENT KINDS OF SERVICES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO ENSURE PEOPLE A SAFE RIDE.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED.

WE HAVE ADDED 100 TRANSIT OFFICERS.

PRIVATE TRANSIT OFFICERS, IN ADDITION TO THE UNIFORM POLICE FORCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BASIC-- A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASED PRESENCE ON THE TRAIN. AND THAT EMPHASIS IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED. IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES, WHICH OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS THE HOMELESS POPULATION AMONG US. IT'S GOTTEN SMALLER THE LAST FEW YEARS. BUT NONETHELESS, WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF IT. ONE ISSUE THAT DART ADDRESSES, AS WE ARE STARTING ON A PILOT PROGRAM, AND NOW WE ARE ON AND ERT. A MULTIDISCIPLINARY RESPONSE TEAM. DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOME KIND OF AN ISSUE. SOME KIND OF AN EPISODE THAT THEY ARE ENCOUNTERING, AND THEY NEED TO BE MOVED NOT TO THE JAIL, BUT TO ALTERNATIVE SUPPORT.

WORKING WITH PARKLAND WE HAVE PAIRED UP WITH CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKERS. THAT IS MOVING FROM PILOT TO

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WE HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED OUR ENFORCEMENT THE LAST TWO YEARS. DART IS A NUMBER 1 CONTRIBUTOR TO THE ENTRANCE IN THE JAIL NOW. WE ARE ARRESTING THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR BUSSES AND TRAINS AND PLATFORMS ARE SECURED. ON CAMERAS, WE HAVE OVER 7000 CAMERAS IN OUR SYSTEM. WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT A CAMERA IS THAT NUMBER 1 IT WORKS.

SO ONE THING WE HAVE HAD TO DO IS TO INVEST A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN A ISS ON THE CAMERAS SO WE CAN TIE IT BACK IN TO OUR DISPATCH COMMAND CENTER, WHICH RECENTLY OPENED.

SO WE KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF EVERY CAMERA IS.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THEM CONVERTED YET, BUT WE SHOULD WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO.

IT IS ESSENTIAL. YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHERE YOUR CAMERAS ARE. IF THEY ARE ON OR NOT.

AND YOU ARE SEEING THEIR NOT JUST FOR HISTORICAL REFERENCE, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU SOME ALERTS AND THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THINGS IN THE MOMENT. SO IT IS IMPORTANT TECHNOLOGY WORKING IN COMBINATION WITH OTHER POLICE OFFICERS AND OTHER METHODS OF SECURITY AND PROTECTION.

I SHOULD MENTION THAT IN ADDITION TO THE OVER 200 UNIFORMED OFFICERS AND THE 100 PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT WE CALL THE TSO'S, TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICERS.

WHO ARE GUARDS. MORE INWARD FACING PROTECTING OUR FACILITIES AND YARDS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INVESTED AND DEDICATED TO SECURITY.

A LITTLE BIT OF DATA. CHIEF KATO, IF HE WAS HERE, HE WOULD GO THROUGH THIS AND A LOT MORE DETAIL.

BUT JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT PERCENTAGEWISE, CRIMES AGAINST PERSON AND PROPERTY ARE DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY.

AS MENTIONED, THE INCREASED FOCUS ON DRUG-RELATED OFFENCES.

WE ARE NOW INCREASING ARRESTS OF CRIMINAL TRESPASS.

THERE IS A LOT OF FOCUS ON THIS. WE HAVE SEVEN AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS INVESTED IN OUR RAIL SYSTEMS. SO WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT TO BE DEVALUED BY A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK DONE TO PROTECT THAT INVESTMENT AND MAKE IT SAFE AND SECURE AND INTERESTING WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WRIGHT-- RIDE IT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. WITH RESPECT TO ROWLETT, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DIALOG WITH YOU ALL.

BUT WE HAVE A SECURITY STATION OUT THERE, 5:00 A.M. TO 1:00 P.M. CLEANING STANDARDS FOR A STATION CREW ROOM. RAIL VEHICLES, DEEP CLEANING AT MIDNIGHT, ET CETERA. LANDSCAPING.

MAINTENANCE. IF WE ARE NOT MEETING THESE MARKS WE NEED TO KNOW IT. SO IF YOU FEEL WE ARE NOT HITTING THE MARKS ON ALL OF THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENTS.

WE HAVE THIRD PARTIES IN OUR OWN TEAMS. I WANT TO SHIFT OVER TO CAITLIN I'LL FILE A MINUTE AND HAVE HER TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TOD. YOU HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR TOD EFFORTS. YOU HAVE MORE COMING.

AND SHE IS GOING TO REVIEW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT. SHE HAS THE DETAILS.

>> A LOW, CAITLIN HOLLAND, VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOP AND FOR DARK.

APOLOGIES AGAIN FOR MY FERAL CHILDREN.

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WORKING PARENTS CAN SYMPATHIZE.

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TOD. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I AM SURE, THE STATION HAS CATALYZED QUITE A BIT OF GREAT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE, LOOKING BACK TO 2007 AND FORWARD IN TO 2026, SOME GREAT TRUCK-- PROJECTS AROUND THE STATION CATALYZED BY THE CREATION AROUND THE TRANSIT.

MOST NOTABLY IN 2018, THE VILLAGE OF ROWLETT PROJECT THAT WAS AWARDED. THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE'S IMPACT BOARD, AND THE... AS ONE EXAMPLE.

FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK OUT IN TO THE FUTURE FOR.

OUR STATION IS UNDERUTILIZED AS FAR AS PARKING.

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ONE OF THE MUTUALS WE ARE OFFERING TO ARE MEMBER CITIES NOW IS A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT SYSTEM PROGRAM.

THAT, IF A DISTRICT IS CREATED BY CITY, ALTHOUGH DART CANNOT PARTICIPATE AS A TAXING ENTITY UNDER THE TAX CODE OF CHAPTER 311, WE HAVE CREATED A NEW PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW DART TO CONTRIBUTE OUR TAX INCREMENT AS AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

SO IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DART TO PARTICIPATE IN REDEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT IS A TOOL THAT NONE OF OUR CITIES ARE UTILIZING AT THIS POINT. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT WORKING WITH ROWLETT STAFF TO ENHANCE YOUR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH IS FLOURISHING, AS ALL OF YOU KNOW.

OTHER EXAMPLES OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, TO TAKE A LOOK ACROSS OUR SERVICE AREA, DOWNTOWN PLANO WAS REALLY BROUGHT TO LIFE BY THE DOWNTOWN STATION, WHEN THE RED LINE OPENED. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, A VACANT DOWNTOWN THAT HAS BECOME A BOOMING ATTRACTION FOR THE REGION. AN EXAMPLE OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DID IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ONE OF OUR MEMBER CITIES, AND CARROLLTON, WE HAVE THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF CARROLLTON THAT WE BOTH CONTRIBUTED ACREAGE.

WE FINISHED THE FIRST PHASE, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS PHASE ONE.

436 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. IT'S A GROUND-FLOOR RETAIL.

80% LEASED UP ALREADY. IT IS BOOMING AND WE ARE MOVING IN TO SECOND PHASE, WHICH WILL BE CLASS A OFFICE.

IN THE PARCEL ACROSS FROM AVIVA. AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN TO THE DARK PROPERTY, WHICH YOU SEE AT THE BACK OF THE PROJECT.

THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING, A HOTEL, MAYBE SOME SENIOR LIVING.

THIS IS A 26-ACRE PROJECT ALTOGETHER.

SO FAR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE BROUGHT IN A NEW TAXABLE VALUE OF CLOSE TO 200,000. SOME GENERAL PRINCIPLES FOR TOD.

WE TRY TO MAKE THINGS WALKABLE AND CONNECTED.

WE WANT PEOPLE WALKING AROUND THE AREA.

CONTEXT-SENSITIVE. LOOKING AT TOD AND CONNECTING WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND MAKING SURE THAT THE DOORS AND WINDOWS FACE THE STREET. SO THERE IS A SENSE OF SAFETY.

AND YOU CAN REALLY CREATE A VIBE OF CONNECTIVITY.

WE ALSO WANTED TO BE DENSE AND DIVERSE.

NOT JUST ONE THING, BUT A NUMBER OF THINGS TOGETHER THAT TEND TO HAVE A LONGER LIFE SPAN. THERE IS A DIVERSE SET OF USES FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

A FEW STATS, WE FOUND LESS PARKING REDUCES THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT CLASS. THAT SHOULD BE INSTINCTIVE.

BUT 100 SPACES WE KNOW IS ANYWHERE FROM 2.5 MILLION TO FOUR —-DASH MILLION. A HUGE COST FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. SO IF YOU CAN REDUCE THAT BY LEVERAGING ACCESS TO TRANSIT, THAT CAN TRANSLATE INTO WHAT WE SEE HERE, 50 UNITS OF HOUSING FOR EXAMPLE, OR 12 TO $20 MILLION IN TAXABLE VALUE. SO INSTEAD OF SERVICE PARKING, WE ARE HAVING A TAXABLE VALUE ASSET BEING USED, AS OPPOSED TO JUST EMPTY PARKING LOTS. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AREA PLANNING EFFORTS. THIS IS AN INITIATIVE THAT DART IS PURSUING WITH OUR MEMBERS CITIES.

BUT WITH ROWLETT SPECIFICALLY WE COMPLETED THE FIRST PLAN IN OCTOBER 2025. THAT IS US LISTENING TO CITY STAFF, HEARING THE PRIORITIES OF YOUR CITY AND TRYING TO SEE HOW WE CAN HELP, TRY TO ASSIST FROM A TRANSIT PERSPECTIVE.

HOW CAN WE HELP MOVEMENT IN AREAS THAT YOU ARE PRIORITIZING.

SO WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

LOOKING AT A MULTIUSE PAVILION. HOW CAN WE HELP PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

HOW DO WE INCREASE SAFETY FOR PEOPLE GUNNING-- GOING FROM THE TRAIN STATION, AND THE NATURAL EVOLUTION TOWARDS DOWNTOWN.

AND WE GET IT MOVING AND BECOMING A CONNETED AREA AS OPPOSED TO A DISSECTED BY THE TRAIN RIGHT-OF-WAY AREA.

WE WILL WORK ON THAT AND COLLABORATE.

AND AREA PLANNING IS INTENDED, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A REPORT NOW.

IT'S A CONSTANTLY EVOLVING PROCESS.

WE WANT TO DIALOG AND WORK TOGETHER.

AND THIS GIVES A STRUCTURE FOR THAT CONVERSATION.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I SIT BACK DOWN. THANK YOU.

OKAY. DID IT AGAIN.

GET ME BACK TO... I THINK I... OKAY.

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DEALING WITH THE SHIFT OVER TO 2021 AND THE VOTING SHARES AT WORK. AND THAT SORT OF THING.

HERE WE GO. IF I HIT UP... OKAY.

GOOD POINT. YOU CAN SEE MY MEMORY WENT AWAY JUST LIKE THAT. WE ARE REAL CLOSE.

>> THIS IS A REMINDER THAT THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A LOT OF REVENUE SHARING WITH DART OVER THE YEARS, GOING BACK TO 89, THE LOCAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS. AND NOW THE GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM.

4.6 MILLION ESTIMATE. AND THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU JUST HEARD CAITLIN MENTION THERE, WHICH IS BASICALLY DOING THE INCREMENT SALES TAX THAT MAYBE DERIVED INSIDE A NEW DEVELOPMENT AREA FROM THE DART SALES TAX THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTED BACK TO THE CITY FOR YOU SEND WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE GENERAL MOBILITY FUND AS A REMINDER WAS STRUCTURED AS A SIX-YEAR IDEA.

TO GET OUT TO 2031. AND OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME, DO A COUPLE THINGS. STRUCTURE AN INCREASING NUMBER AMOUNT AND PERCENTAGE OF SALES TAX THAT WOULD BE ALLOCATED AND DISTRIBUTED BACK TO THE CITIES. SO THAT BRINGS US UP TO ABOUT 10%. THE EQUIVALENT, IN TERMS OF SALES TAX THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT AND PUT DOWN BACK TO INDIVIDUAL CITIES. 421 MILLION IS THE ESTIMATE.

AND OF THAT, DART WOULD BE 306 MILLION.

THE RBC WOULD CONTRIBUTE THROUGH SOME OF THEIR GRANT PROGRAMS OR BALANCE $75 MILLION. SO THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING FLUNG OUT TO THE CITIES.

YOUR PORTION, AND I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THIS, IS 473,000.

578,000, IT GOES TO 1,000,120 AND 2030.

I DO WANT TO SAY, ALSO THAT WE GET ASKED CONSISTENTLY, ARE THOSE CITIES THAT HAD ELECTIONS BUT DID NOT ALLOW THERE TO BE UNIVERSITY PARKING GREAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE ULTIMATELY-- ULTIMATELY ARE SUBSEQUENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE GNP? THE ANSWER IS NO.

A SIMPLE BUT STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER.

NO. THEY WERE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT HAVE AN ELECTION. THEY MADE CHOICE TO NOT PARTICIPATE. SO THEY WILL NOT BE PARTICIPATING IN THE GNP. THE MONEY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TO THEM WOULD BE RETAINED BY DARK FOR USE IN OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL. WE TALKED ABOUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IF WE CAN KEEP ON GOING.

OKAY. ON THE TIMING OF ALL OF THIS.

WE ARE JUST ABOUT AT THE POINT WHERE WE WILL FINALIZE THE LANGUAGE, AND YOU WILL ALL GET A COPY OF THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION LANGUAGE TO REVIEW WITH YOUR CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER.

AND ALL OF YOU OBVIOUSLY TO SEE IF YOU ARE FULLY ON BOARD.

THE GOAL IS TO HAVE ALL 12 CITIES SUPPORT THE LANGUAGE IN IT'S FINAL FORM AND SUBMIT IT THEN TO THE LEGISLATURE FOR ADOPTION. AS YOU KNOW IT'S A LONG PROCESS.

THE COMMITTEES ARE WORKING TO IDENTIFY THE BILL SPONSOR.

ON THE SENATE SIDE, I WILL LET OUR CHAIR TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT HERE IN A UPCOMING MEETING. BUT THE SELECTION OF BILL SPONSORS IS JUST ABOUT, HAVE WE IDENTIFIED THE BILL SPONSOR'S?

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THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION ABOUT THAT IS THAT THIS ALL SETS UP FOR A MAJOR CHANGE IN GOVERNANCE PROCESS.

ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW. THIS LEGISLATION WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE USUALLY IN SEPTEMBER 1ST AFTER THE END OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. ASSUMING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS SUCCESSFUL, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THEN THE NEW BOARD, THE 21 MEMBER BOARD WOULD BE CONSTITUTED AFTER THE LOG GOES IN TO EFFECT. AND IT WOULD BE THE FIRST BOARD THAT WOULD BE DEALING WITH THE FY28 BUDGET PROGRAM.

AND BASICALLY, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I AM SURE THERE WILL BE A REVISITING OF POLICIES AND REBALANCING OF A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS AND MODES AND HOW THINGS ARE DELIVERED IN INDIVIDUAL CITIES. SO IT IS NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT CHANGE, BECAUSE IT DOES SHIFT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, VOTING WEIGHT, AS YOU ALL KNOW. THE CITY OF DALLAS REPRESENTATION WILL BE LIMITED TO 45%.

SO THE MAJORITY VOTING WILL THEN BE RETAINED BY THE SUBURBAN MEMBERS, NOT THE CITY OF DALLAS. THAT TURNED OUT, AS I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, TO BE A PRETTY BIG DEAL.

SO, WITH THAT I WILL CONCLUDE BY SAYING THAT ROWLETT HAS PERFORMED EXTRA NEARLY WELL AMONG THE CITIES IN TERMS OF RISING USE OF MICRO-TRANSIT, ENGAGEMENT WITH THE STAFF ON WORKING ON YOUR DOWNTOWN AND DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES HERE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH YOU.

THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE AREA.

I OVERHEARD SOME OF THE CONVERSATION, ABOUT THE CHALLENGES RELATIVE TO THIS AREA.

AND THAT RAILROAD AND RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED.

THERE ARE ALWAYS ISSUES AND THERE IS ALWAYS OPPORTUNITIES AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN A MEMBER SINCE THE BEGINNING AND I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED TO YOU BEFORE I DEPART.

>> THANK YOU, DAVID. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

VERY THOROUGH. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

I'M CURIOUS IF YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOUR NPS SCORE IS IN THE CUSTOMER SURVEY YOU GUYS JUST COMPLETED?

>> I CAN. IT'S 32, UP FROM 22.

>> THAT IS AN INCREASE. NOT BAD.

SHOULD CAVEAT THAT BY SAYING THAT A 32 IS NOT LIKE ON A ZERO TO 100 SCALE. IT'S NEGATIVE 100 TO POSITIVE 100. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT CAVEAT.

AND MPS SCORE OF 32 IS PRETTY DECENT.

YOU MADE MENTION TO ONE OF THE FUNDING MECHANISMS WE HAVE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DART RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE GNP.

THERE IS ANOTHER FUNDING MECHANISM FROM A PREVIOUS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS WE INTENDED TO MAKE TO ONE OF OUR ROADWAYS.

WE DID THAT IN HOUSE AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT FOR LESS OF A COST THEN WAS ALLOCATED IN THE IOA. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IF THERE IS WHAT I WILL CALL THE SHOT CLOCK ON ALLOCATING EITHER OF THOSE PIECES OF FUNDING, AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

AND K MIGHT BE WELL-EQUIPPED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> THERE IS. AND THERE IS A SPECIFIC DATE, WHEN THESE THINGS NEED TO BE WOUND UP.

>> A SHELTON. CHIEF OF STAFF, GOOD EVENING.

SO I DID DISCUSS WITH CHRIS-- KRISTOF, THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUNDS THAT WERE APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BECAUSE YOU CAME IN UNDER BUDGET FOR YOUR INDUSTRIAL ROAD PROJECT, WE AMENDED THAT. AND THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE NOW THAT IF THE CITY UNDERSPEND'S WE WILL RESERVE THOSE FUNDS. AND BECAUSE TRANSIT ORIENTED OF ELEMENT AND DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT IS A TRANSIT SYSTEM PLAN TYPE OF PROJECT, THERE IS NOT A SPECIFIC DEADLINE IN THERE.

SO WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU TO BEST USE THOSE FUNDS.

SO THERE IS NOT A HARD DEADLINE, WE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD, AND I THINK THE GMP FUNDS PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING

COMPREHENSIVE DOWN THERE. >> AND THE GNP FUNDS?

WHAT IS THE SHOT CLOCK ON NOT? >> YOU CAN COLLECT THAT YEAR TO YEAR. THERE IS NOT A SPECIFIC DEADLINE. I THINK 24-- 2034, SEPTEMBER 30TH, THAT IS THE FINAL DATE FOR THOSE FUNDS.

>> THANK YOU. [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> EVER GOING TO ROLL THEM OVER WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION BY JUNE OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR.

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I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE, BUT IT WAS SO I DID FORWARD THAT OVER TO KRISTOF AND I ASKED THAT HE WORK WITH STAFF TO CREATE A SUSTAINABLE OPTION.

BECAUSE JEFF WON'T ALWAYS BE IN THE SEAT AND I DON'T WANT JEFF TO BE THE GUY THAT GETS ALL THE DATA.

SO WE HAVE STAFF WORKING ON THAT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN RECEIVING SOME OR ALL OF THAT DATA, PLEASE CONTACT OUR CITY MANAGER AND HE CAN COORDINATE THAT WITH YOU.

YOU MADE MENTION ALSO OF A TEST PROJECT OF USING HUMAN BARRIERS VERSUS PHYSICAL BARRIERS, IS THAT AT ALL FOUR OF THE DOWNTOWN STATIONS THAT ARE AT THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN?

>> THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE ARE HAVING NOW, AND WE DO THE TWO OUTSIDE, OR DO WE NEED TO DO ALL FOUR.

BUT THE IDEA IS 100% COVERAGE ON EVERY DOOR.

AT WHATEVER STATIONS NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED FOR THE TEST.

THE THINKING IS PERHAPS YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THE TWO INTERNAL STATIONS ON THE CORRIDOR IF YOU'VE DONE THE PERIMETER STATIONS. WE ARE HAVING SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO MAKE SURE THAT-- PART OF THIS IS TO UNDERSTAND THE FLOW AND HOW WE HAVE TO REPLACE ACTUAL IN PERMANENT BARRIERS AND WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

SO THERE ARE A VARIETY OF THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO LEARN HERE FROM THIS. IS SANCHEZ TO DETERMINE, EVERYONE HAS A FAIR, BUT HOW DO THEY FLOW, WHERE THE PROBLEMS IN TERMS OF RIDERS GETTING ON AND OFF.

>> AND I CAN IMAGINE THAT RUNNING FOUR DIFFERENT LINES THERE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME TRACK JUST FURTHER COMPLICATES THAT IMMENSELY. SO, WEIGHING THAT VERSUS HAVING AN OFFICER OR BARE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON EVERY TRAIN, OR ALMOST EVERY TRAIN,-- FAIR ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, IS IT ABOUT HAVING PEOPLE AT THE GATES VERSUS PEOPLE ON THE TRAINS?

>> I THINK THEY ARE SERVING DIFFERENT PURPOSES.

THE OFFICER ON THE TRAIN IS NOT A FAIR ENFORCEMENT COLLECTION.

WE WILL HAVE THOSE, BUT THE IDEA OF MORE OF A PHYSICAL PRESENCE IS ABOUT SAFETY. AND IS OPPOSED TO GETTING ON AND OFF THE TRAIN. A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT THE VALUE OF KNOWING WHICH CAR WILL ALWAYS HAVE AN OFFICER ON IT, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT THAT'S NOT ORIENTED TOWARDS FAIR COLLECTION. IT'S ORIENTED TOWARDS REASSURANCE THAT SOMEBODY IS THERE.

THAT THEY CAN LOOK AFTER YOU. WHILE THE OFFICERS CAN DO THAT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THEIR PRIMARY GOAL.

>> YOU ALSO MENTIONED A REQUIREMENT FOR DART TO STAFF A SECURITY OFFICER AT OUR STATION FROM 5:00 P.M. TO 1:00 P.M.

EVERY DAY. CORRECT? IS THAT CONTRACT LONG-STANDING OR RELATIVELY NEW DEVELOPMENT?

>> THAT IS ATS SO IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN.

WE HAVE TWO KINDS OF CONTRACT. WE HAVE ARM SECURITY GUARDS, AND TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICERS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE TRAINS, IN PARTICULAR THE PLATFORMS. THE ARMED GUARDS ARE REALLY GUARDING PARKING LOTS AND AT OUR YARDS. SO KAY WAS JUST CONFIRMING.

FOR THIS LOCATION IT'S REALLY ONE OF OUR SECURITY GUARDS.

PATROLLING THE PARKING AREA. >> GOT IT.

SO HE IS IN A VEHICLE TYPICALLY CIRCULATING THE PARKING LOT?

>> I THINK HE SHOULD BE WALKING. >> WALKING THE PARKING LOT.

>> I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER.

>> I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE ONE COMPLAINT WE ALL GET FROM OUR RESIDENTS IS THE ON HOUSE POPULATION THAT RIDES THE TRAIN.

THIS IS THE END OF THE LINE AND THEY TEND TO GET OFF BECAUSE OF A LONG STOP. AND THE DRIVER OF THE TRAIN IS MAKING THE ROUNDS ON THE TRAIN AND GETTING EVERYBODY OFF.

SO WE HAVE A POPULATION THAT ENDS UP HERE IN ROWLETT.

AND HAVING SOMEONE THAT IS ACTIVELY THERE ON THE PLATFORM WOULD BE BETTER. BUT AT LEAST HAVING SOMEONE IN THE PARKING LOT IS SOME SORT OF IMPROVEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT FIVE TO 1:00 P.M. IS THE ONLY TIME WHEN

THAT IS NEEDED IS MY REAL ISSUE. >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE REALLY AWARE OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S GOT TO BE THOUGHTFULLY ADDRESSED.

WE CAN'T HAVE THE END OF THE LINE BE PARKING PLACES FOR FOLKS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN

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IN HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT, IT IS REALLY WHERE PEOPLE GET ON WHO ARE WITHOUT A TICKET. A LOT OF THE ONES WE ARE RUNNING INTO ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUND A WAY TO BOARD WITHOUT A PASS AND THEY RIDE TO THE END OF THE SYSTEM.

PART OF THIS FOCUS IS OBVIOUSLY TO CUT THAT OFF.

AND ALSO WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTADING ABOUT WHERE SOME OF THE BOARDING IS OCCURRING. AND THAT WILL CUT DOWN ON THAT AS WELL. BUT THE PROBLEM IS NOT SOLVED.

SO SOMEONE COULD CONCUR WITH YOU THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE ALERT TO. AND WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DIMINISHES AND BECOMES LESS AND LESS OF AN ISSUE OUT HERE. BUT IT'S ALSO THROUGH EACH OF THE END OF THE LINE STATIONS. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> THANK YOU. MY LAST QUESTION, FOR OUR NEW CEO, WHAT IS HIS EFFECTIVE DATE, WHEN DOES HE START?

>> THE 26TH. >> OKAY.

AND FROM THE MEET AND GREET WE HAD WITH HIM, I ASSUME, HIS INITIAL PLAN IS GOING TO BE TO HOLD THE LISTENING SESSIONS.

IS THAT THE INITIAL PLAN HE HAS? >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS HERE NEXT WEEK. WE HAVE A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH HIM. OBVIOUSLY ANY CEO COMING IN TO A NEW BIG SYSTEM IS GOING TO SPEND GETTING ACQUAITED.HREE MONTHS- SINCE HE IS NOT FROM THE AREA, HE IS GOING TO WANT TO MAKE THE ROUNDS AND MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THE MAYORS, COUNCILOR, MEET WITH A WHOLE VARIETY OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

HE IS VERY ENGAGED IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

HE COMES WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.

WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. SO HE HAS A REAL FOCUS ON THAT.

AND HE IS VERY ENGAGED IN TECHNOLOGY.

IN NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND ANALYTICS.

SO I KNOW THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING.

FROM OUR STANDPOINT, OF COMMISSION FOUR WORKING GROUPS TO PUT TOGETHER POSITION PAPERS ON FOUR DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.

ONE IS THE MICRO TRANSIT. OR THE SOLUTIONS FOR OPTIONS TO PROVIDE OUR CITIES WITH A VARIETY OF CHOICES, NOT JUST ONE. ANOTHER ONE IS ON SECURITY.

AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO GET SYSTEMS, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT. HOW TO COMBINE POLICE AND MACHINES AND FENCING AND THE OTHER THINGS GOING INTO THAT.

SO THAT IS A SYSTEM SOLUTION. THERE IS ANOTHER WORKING GROUP ON RIDERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. WHAT IS THE ADDRESSABLE MARKET.

WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE. WHAT CAN WE DO TO BRING PEOPLE IN TO THE SYSTEM. AND FINALLY, WHAT IS THE-- WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS. WHAT ARE ALL THE OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERING HOW YOU MANAGE THE SYSTEM WHEN YOU PURPOSELY AND INTENTIONALLY ARE GOING TO REDUCE YOUR REVENUE BY 10%? IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO REDUCE REVENUES BY 10%, WHAT WILL YOU DO WITHOUT AFFECTING SERVICE? HOW DO YOU DO THAT? I'D TAKE THE POSITION THAT THE LAST THING THAT YOU WOULD DO WOULD BE TO DO AN ACROSS THE BOARD CUT. YOU OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT EFFICIENCY. SWAPPING OUT MODES, IF NEED BE.

BUT WE DON'T WANT TO CUT RIDERSHIP.

SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS.

REVENUE OPTIONS, INCREASES, NOT TAXES.

ARE THERE MORE EFFICIENT WAYS TO DO MORE SERVICE THAN WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING. WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS OPTIONS.

SO WHEN THAT ARRIVES, HE IS GOING TO GET THE BENEFIT OF ALL FOUR OF THOSE WORKING GROUPS RECOMMENDATIONS.

FOR HIS BENEFIT. WHILE ALSO HAVING EACH OF THE TEAMS USE AN AI SOLUTION WILL EITHER BE USING THE MICROSOFT COPILOT VERSION, WHICH IS KIND OF THE SAFE BABY STEP VERSION, OR SOMETHING LIKE CLAUDE PERSONALLY I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH CLAUDE OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

AND MY POINT IS THAT I WANT IS ADVANCED AND COMPLETE A SET OF ANALYSES AVAILABLE TO HIM WHEN HE GETS HERE SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME BEING BRIEF DOOR ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE QUESTIONS

BEFORE HE EVEN GETS HERE. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. HOLSTON, I KNOW YOU ASKED FOR THIS ITEM.

I DON'T NEED TO CUT YOU OFF, MR. GIBB.

>> FIRST OF ALL, DAVID, KATE, KATE, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TO ROWLETT. THIS KIND OF PROVES THAT GOD DOES HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR. THAT I'M ON THE SIDE AND YOU ARE ON THAT SIDE. DAVID IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE FROM MY IRVING DAYS, AND I PRESENTED TO HIM WHEN HE WAS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO, DAVID, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING OUT. A NUMBER OF THINGS COME TO MIND, FIRST OF ALL FOR US NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS WAS EXTREME THE BENEFICIAL. AND TO TALK ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS.

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SO I REALLY LIKE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT HOW IT'S NOT SOLVED, BUT WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. SO, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE MAYBE A JOINT OPERATIONAL PLAN MIGHT BE IN STORE FOR US AS WE LOOK AT THIS VERY COMPLEX ISSUE. OF THE UNHOUSED.

AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING THIS PARTICULAR END OF THE LINE.

CERTAINLY, AS WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND CERTAINLY YOU ARE WORKING WITH OUR FRIEND, CHRIS WALLACE AND I SUPPORT YOUR WORK TOGETHER WITH HIM.

BUT AS WE THINK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOTHING HAPPENS IF IT'S NOT SAFE. THE WORD SAFE MEANS A LOT OF THINGS. FOR A RETAILER, SAFE MEANS IS THIS PROVING GROUND, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN AN AREA THAT NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN A RETAILER BEFORE.

SAFE ALSO MEANS THAT OUR RETAILERS DON'T HAVE PEOPLE IN THEIR SHOPS THREATENING THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE AN UNSAFE CONDITION FOR THEIR FAMILY. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR A HOLISTIC REPORT OF HOW WE WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE, AGAIN, A COMPLEX PROBLEM, UNIQUE TO ROWLETT. BECAUSE WE ARE THE END OF THE LINE. I ALSO THINK THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBLE RESOURCE IMBALANCE. SO WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AS YOU THINK ABOUT ROWLETT, AND HOW THIS IS CERTAINLY IMPACTING US. I THINK THOSE ARE-- BY THE WAY, CONGRATULATIONS ON FIFA. WE KNOW THAT YOU CAN HANDLE LARGE VOLUMES. BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR CITIZENS. OUR RETAILERS, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS WHO WE REPORT TO.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, DAVID, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.

>> MR. GIBBS? >> MY QUESTION MAYBE FOR THE SECURITY PORTION OF THIS. DO WE KNOW IF-- I GUESS IT WOULD BE YOUR PRIVATE ENTITY YOU HIRED FOR DOING ARM SECURITY AND DOING SERVICE, DO THEY KEEP AN ACTIVITY LOG?

>> THEY WOULD. >> IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD

SEE IF WE REQUESTED THAT? >> ALMOST EVERY THING WE DO IS PUBLIC. I AM SURE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT COULD BE REQUESTED. THROUGH AN OPEN RECORD.

WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND TO WHAT EXTENT ANY OF IT WAS INVOLVED WITH SOME KIND OF AN ACTIVE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. EITHER THAT OR JUST LOGS IN TERMS OF IF YOU'RE SAYING, DID THEY SHOW UP AND WHAT HOURS DID THEY PUT IN AND THAT SORT OF THING.

I SUSPECT MOST OF THAT IS GENERALLY AVAILABLE.

I KNOW THE CHIEF IS ALWAYS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING TOO EXPLICIT ABOUT THEIR METHOD OF DEPLOYMENT.

>> WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR IS-- I KNOW THE DART POLICE WILL HAVE ACTIVITY. AND THAT'S HOW THE CHIEF COMES UP WITH HIS STATS. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BLUE LINE. WHAT ARE THE CRIME STATS ON BLUE LINE. ARE THEY UP, ARE THEY DOWN, WHERE ARE WE, WHAT ARE THE CROWN STATS IN THE ROWLETT PARKING AREA AND ON THE PLATFORM. AND I WOULD ASK THE CHIEF TO MERE HIS STAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT RPD RESPONSE TO A LOT OF CALLS JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT DART IS NOT AVAILABLE AND CAN'T MAKE IT OUT HERE. SO IF THERE IS A WAY WE COULD PUT THOSE TWO, MARY THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, AND ARE THE STATS GOING UP, ARE THEY GOING DOWN? ARE WE TAKING CARE OF PROBLEMS? ARE WE HAVING FOLKS OUT THERE AT THE RIGHT TIMES? DO WE NEED TO INCREASE PRESENCE AT THE ROWLETT DART PLATFORM? THE ROWLETT DARK PARKING ON THE TRAINER OFF THE TRAIN OR WHAT WERE DOING DOWN THERE.

>> WE CAN DO THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> BY THE WAY, I KIND OF FORGOT THIS IS STILL A WORK SESSION.

KEEP IT IN FORMAL AND CHIME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TALK.

WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT YOU AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE AND THANKED CARTER. YOU MUST BE A BLESSED MAN TO GET TO WORK WITH HIM. THAT BEING SAID, I DID APPRECIATE THE STUDY FROM OVER THE WEEKEND.

IT PRODUCED A LOT OF QUESTIONS. BUT YOU ALSO SAID SOME THINGS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY GREAT. I LOVED YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT ISSUES OR CHALLENGES. THAT ACTUALLY EQUALS OPPORTUNITIES. AND I REALLY LIKE THAT.

AND I REALLY LIKE SOMETHING YOU SAID THAT I THINK REAPPLIED TO WHAT COUNCILOR GIBBS AND CARTER WERE SAYING.

IS THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO LOOK, AND I MADE A NOTE WHEN YOU SAID IT, I LIKED IT. ONE OF THE-- WANT TO BE SPECIFIC

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AND I LIKE THAT BECAUSE I THINK OUR NEEDS AND ROWLETT WE ARE AN END OF THE LINE. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT WAS A THING UNTIL I RESEARCHED AN END OF LINE TRANSIT MIGRATION.

WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG PROBLEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO OUR NEEDS I THINK ARE DIFFERENT THAN GARLAND.

OUR NAMES ARE-- NEEDS ARE SIMILAR TO PLANO.

AND IT'S INTERESTING. WE HAVE CHALLENGES ON DIFFERENT CITIES AND WE PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS. THAT BEING SAID, I LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE ALL DONE ON THE TWO-- ON THE COUNCILMEMBER GIBBS REQUEST. ONE NOTE I HAD, I DON'T KNOW IT'S IN THE PLATFORM, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GET THE ACTIVITY. WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY, I DON'T THINK THAT FALLS UNDER OPEN RECORDS. THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE AS A CITY SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY OCCURRING BY NOT ONLY THE TSO IS, BUT THE ACTUAL MAST-- ACTUAL OFFICERS ON SCENE. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GET THAT MONTHLY OR BY LEGAL-- BIWEEKLY, OR WHATEVER THE CASE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST.

ONE THING THAT WE ARE, AND I BASE THIS STATEMENT OFF MY PASSED-- PAST EXPERIENCE, WE ARE A HIGH-IMPACT AREA.

AND I LOVED WHAT YOU SAID, IF YOU MOVE A HALF-MILE IN ANY IT'S HAVING AN IN ACT ON OUREST- COMMUNITY.

I USE MYSELF. EVEN JIM.

THE SAME ON HOUSE PERSON LAYING OUT THERE.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SEE NOT JUST AT 5100 MARTIN, A HIGH-IMPACT AREA, BUT I THINK IT EXTENDS NORTHEAST, SOUTH AND WEST. I THINK WE NEED TO SEE THE ACTIVITY FOR THAT. THAT BEING SAID, I REALLY LIKE YOUR MD RT. BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLEX PROBLEM AND YOU ARE RIGHT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO ARREST OUR WAY OUT OF THIS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, ARRESTING IS NOT THE MOST HUMANE WAY TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE ON THE STREET AND IT'S 105, THAT'S INHUMANE AS WELL. SO I LIKE YOUR CONCEPT ON MD RT.

BUT MY QUESTION ON THAT IS HOW DOES THAT WORK.

HOW DO THEY RESPOND. IS A PROACTIVE EVERY THERE--

EVERYWHERE? >> SO WE HAVE FOUR TEAMS FOR MD RT. IT'S A LICENSED SOCIAL WORKER WITH A POLICE TEAM ON IT. AND THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THEY WILL CONCENTRATE, WHERE THEY KNOW WHERE THE ISSUES ARE. BUT ANYONE CAN MAKE A CALL FOR SERVICE AS WELL FOR SOMEONE WHO MAYBE HAVING A MENTAL ISSUE, OR NEEDS SOME SUPPORT, AND THEY WILL GO OUT TO THAT LOCATION.

THAT THEY TEND TO CONCENTRATE AROUND SOME OF THE KNOWN AREAS.

IF THEY CAN HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT.

IF SOMEONE MAKES A CALL, THEY WILL MAKE THE TRIP OUT TO

ADDRESS THE ISSUE. >> ARE WE ONE OF THE KNOWN

AREAS? >> NO.

>> HOW DO WE BECOME ONE OF THOSE?

>> I THINK THE MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT CON MEN ARE OBSERVING IT AND MAKING THOSE CALLS.

WHICH YOU CAN DO THE APP, OR THERE IS A TAX NUMBER, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE YOU GET IT OUT TO YOUR

COMMUNITY. >> AS PER YOUR DATA FOR THE PAST 18 MONTHS, ONE AND FIVE FIRE SERVICE CALLS HAVE BEEN TO THIS ONE SPOT. THAT IS A LOT.

SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE ARE A KNOWN AREA THAT NEEDS HELP.

NOT ONLY FROM DATA, BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES. SO ONE THING I WOULD LIKE ON THE REPORT IS WHAT ACTIVITY HAS A NRDT DONE OUT HERE SO WE CAN SEE

WHAT'S GOING ON. >> WE CAN PULL THAT AS WELL.

>> ONE LAST QUESTION, WHAT IS A MEASUREMENT OF SUCCESS-- I'D LIKE THE HUMAN BARRIER CONCEPT. AND I THINK THAT'S A UNIQUE WAY TO LOOK AT THIS. AND SEEING WHAT WE NEED WITH PHYSICAL BARRIERS. AND ALSO SEEING THAT IT'S A NATIONAL PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ARE CLOSING OPEN SYSTEMS. BUT WHEN IS THE MEASUREMENT THAT THE TSO OFFICERS, A GREAT CONCEPT, NOT SWORN OFFICERS, BUT HOW WOULD YOU MEASURE THEIR SUCCESS, WHAT WOULD YOU MEASURE A SUCCESSFUL WITH THEM.

BUT WOULD YOU CONSIDER SUCCESSFUL?

>> THE TSO'S HAVE A FAIR COLLECTION, A FARE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT TO IT THAT THE UNIFORM OFFICERS IN PARTICULAR, THE DART UNIFORM OFFICERS, THEY ARE THERE FOR SAFETY.

AND THEY CAN DO THE OTHER THINGS.

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BY THE WAY, I CAN CONFIRM THAT I HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO INSPECTIONS THAT I DID NOT HAVE MY PASS WITH ME.

SO I PAID A FINE FOR THAT SO THEY DO SHOW UP.

IT WAS MY FAULT, AND I DID NOT HAVE MY I.D. ON ME.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER AMOUNT OF COVERAGE FROM THERE.

YOU SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO MEASURE STATISTICS ON INCIDENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THE CAR EARLIER ON IN THE PLATFORM.

THOSE ARE THE OBVIOUS THINGS. BUT I WANTED TO SAY EVERYTHING AVAILABLE THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS, ONE COMPLAINT I HEARD FROM THE CITY IS THAT WE SHOULD BE GIVING THIS INFORMATION WITHOUT THE NEED FOR PUBLIC RECORDS.

WHICH I AGREE WITH. THE HESITATION ON THE POLICE STUFF IS I'D LIKE TO CHECK BACK WITH THEM AND FIND OUT WHICH THINGS ARE MORE SUBJECT TO MORE CONTROL.

IN THE MAIN, ONE THING WE WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON A LOT OF THINGS, ON A FREQUENT BASIS.

WITHOUT THE NEED FOR YOU ALL TO SUBMIT AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST CALL US AND SAY CAN YOU GIVE US MORE INFORMATION AND NAME IT AND WE CAN GIVE IT TO YOU WITHOUT ASKING FOR IT. I VIEW YOU AS CLIENTS, NOT CONTRIBUTORS. YOU ARE OUR 12 BASIC CLIENTS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU ARE ASKING FOR.

WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING AN OPPOSITE POSITION ON THAT.

BUT ON THE METRICS, THERE ARE MORE METRICS.

ULTIMATELY, YOU REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE PERCEPTION OF SAFETY IS ACHIEVED.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS-- AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING ELSE WERE DOING. WE MADE A DETERMINATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE ALL THE WINDOWS AND ALL THE BUSSES WERE CLEARED. AND THE LEAST FIRST TWO OF THE WINDOWS AND SIDES OF THE TRAINS ARE CLEAR.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN AND OUT. ONE PROBLEM WITH ADVERTISING IS THAT IT HAS A MESH, AND BECOMES LIKE A SCREEN ON THAT.

AND IT CONTRIBUTES TO DISCOMFORT FOR OUR RIDERS.

NOW IT IS GOING TO COST SOME MONEY TO DO THAT.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S HARD TO SAY.

YOU ARE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS AND CREATE SAFETY AND SECURITY.

AND THEN THAT CREATES UNSAFE CONDITIONS BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

THE BOARD LAST FRIDAY SAID THAT THAT IS A TRADE-OFF THAT IS IN THE INTEREST OF RIDERS WE NEED TO MAKE IT.

>> I WANT TO THANK YOU, THE FACT THAT YOU, YOURSELF, CAME DOWN REALLY SHOWS A LOT. AND I THINK THE CITY APPRECIATES THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO BE LOOKING AT THESE HIGH-IMPACT AREAS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY ARE. IT TRICKLES DOWN.

I LIKE YOUR STATEMENT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE PERFECT EVERYTHING. EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT 100% OF THE TIME BE A HOMELESS PERSON, 114 TIMES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONDS OUT THERE AND THE PERCEPTION OF THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THIS IS BAD. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS, US GETTING ACTIVITY REPORTS HELPS US UNDERSTAND IT AND SHARE IT WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WHO DO WE CONTACT BUT AT THAT OR MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT KIND OF DATA?

>> START WITH K. >> ONE THING TO ADD TO THAT, ON THE TEAM, ROWLETT HAS THEIR OWN TEAM, TO THE TEAMS COLLABORATE WITH EACH OTHER? CHIEF DENNING?

CAN YOU COME UP? >> HE IS ON HIS WAY UP.

I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE, IF YOU ARE MAKING A REQUEST TO DART STAFF, GO THROUGH CITY OF ROWLETT STAFF TO DO THAT.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO OUR ART APPOINTED BOARD MEMBER, LET ME KNOW. I WILL GIVE YOU HIS PHONE NUMBER. I WANT EVERYBODY AT THIS DAIS TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.

HE IS A TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT ASSET THAT WE HAVE AT DARK.

HE CAN GET SOME STUFF DONE FOR YOU.

AND I WOULD LOOK AT HIM AS THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE, ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR THAT ORGANIZATION. BUT I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE HAVE OUR STAFF WORK THROUGH THEIR STAFF JUST SO THAT THERE IS THAT

RELATIONSHIP. >> CHIEF DENNING?

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>> GOOD EVENING. THE QUESTION WAS DO WE COLLABORATE WITH DARTS NRDT, IT WOULD BE WITH OUR CORE UNIT.

SO ABSOLUTELY. WE MET WITH AND ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THEIR WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH OUR CORE TEAM.

I KNOW YOU ARE ALL AWARE, BUT IT STANDS FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH RESPONSE AND ENGAGEMENT. WE HAVE TWO POLICE OFFICERS SIMILARLY TO THE DART STRUCTURE. AND A SWORN CRISIS CLINICIAN THAT ARE PARTNERED TOGETHER. AND THEY HANDLE ANY CALLS FOR SERVICE THROUGHOUT THEIR SHIFTS. THAT CAN RISE FROM A MENTAL HEALTH CALL OF SERVICE, OR THEY INTERACT REGULARLY WITH OUR

MENTAL HEALTH POPULATIONS. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

THAT WE ARE COLLABORATING AND DOING ALL THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT SAFE. WE JUST PASSED AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING HAPPENING IN THE AREA.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK PRESENTABLE AND DRAW PEOPLE TO COME RIDE. SO I WANT TO USE ALL THE AVENUES WE HAVE WITHOUT HAVING TO PASS NEW LAWS AND ORDINANCES TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AS LONG AS WE ARE COLLABORATING AND WORKING TOGETHER, AND WE ARE BEING-- WHAT IS THE WORD-- I'M AT A LOSS OF WORDS HERE ALL OF A SUDDEN.

SORRY? COLLABORATIVE.

BUT WE ARE SHARING INFORMATION AND STATS AND BEING OPEN AND TRANSPARENT. TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THIS. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT BE GETTING A GOOD WRAP FACT THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE RIDING THE DART IS DANGEROUS, THAT WE CAN MAYBE CHANGE PEOPLE'S MINDS ON THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> IF I COULD ADD ONE THING, THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN DART AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS EXTREMELY STRONG.

I SPOKE WITH CHIEF KATO THIS MORNING.

I SPEAK TO HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS ABOUT THE COLLABORATIVE APPROACH THAT WE ARE TAKING WITH REGARD TO SAFETY IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA BUT OUR DART STATION AS WELL.

WE HAVE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF SUCCESS STORIES WITH OUR TEAM.

MORE RECENTLY OUR CORE UNIT, EVEN BEFORE WE HAVE CORE UNITS, IT'S STILL A RELATIVELY NEW STRUCTURE.

WE HAVE MANY SUCCESS STORIES OF INDIVIDUALS THERE LOOKING TO CONNECT TO RESOURCES. COLLABORATING WITH THE NR T, THEIR PAMPHLETS... WE WERE NOT HAVING AS MUCH SUCCESS, AND RECONTACTED THE NRDT TEAM AND THEY SENT PEOPLE OUT AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET PEOPLE TO THEIR LOVED ONES.

AND GET THEM IN TO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS GETTING THEM TRANSPORTATION SO THEY CAN GET A IDENTIFICATION TO GET A BUS TICKET TO REENGAGE WITH FAMILY MEMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE NUMEROUS SUCCESS STORIES LIKE THAT AND THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS-- PARTNERSHIPS AND THE DEDICATED RESOURCES WE ASSIGN TO THIS PRIORITY AREA.

>> COUNCIL, WE HAVE FIVE WORK SESSION ITEMS LEFT.

SO ONE MORE TIME, ANYMORE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHIEF.

TO OUR DART STAFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY.

I THINK YOU HAVE HEARD THAT THE EXPECTATION IS HIGH OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR DARK. I AM EXCITED.

I THINK WE HAVE THE MOST COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAVE REALLY EVER HAD BETWEEN OUR CITY AND YOUR ORGANIZATION.

SO I AM GRATEFUL FOR THAT. HAVING BEEN ON THE COUNCIL FOR OVER FOUR YEARS, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE MET WITH DARTMOOR IN THE PAST 18 MONTHS THEN WE HAVE THE FIRST 36.

SO I AM GRATEFUL FOR YOU GUYS BEING OPEN TO THAT AND THE CONVERSATION. I WANT TO COMMEND-- I KNOW YOU HAD A LOT TO DO WITH IT, I WANT TO COMMEND THE PROCESS BY WHICH YOU WENT THROUGH INTERVIEWING AND HIRING THE NEW CEO.

I THINK THAT WAS-- THAT PROCESS WAS HANDLED VERY WELL AND IT WAS A LONG PROCESS THAT INVOLVED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC INPUT, AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO VISIT.

I SAW MR. BOWERS THERE AS WELL. TO VISIT WITH THE THREE CANDIDATES AND HEAR THEIR PRESENTATIONS THAT DAY WAS MEANINGFUL. I KNOW THAT WAS A PACKED HOUSE THERE AT THE BOARDROOM. THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU FOR BEARING OUR TECHNOLOGICAL CHALLENGES. NEXT WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[3.B. Receive a presentation regarding text amendments to Section 77-510 of the Rowlett Development Code regarding exterior lighting.]

REGARDING EXTERIOR LIGHTING. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

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THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME SHE IS PRESENTING AT A COUNCIL MEETING, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. REGARDLESS, BY WAY OF UPDATE, WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU IN THIS WORK SESSION TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED-- WHAT I CALL THE ILLUMINATION LIGHTING STANDARDS, AS IDENTIFIED IN THE RELATIVE ELEMENT CORPORATE-- CODE.

A DRAFT ORDINANCE WAS ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET.

THAT BEING SAID, THE REASON WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TWO FOLD. ONE IS THAT THIS ITEM WAS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, WHICH WAS TABLED OR POSTPONED.

TO TOMORROW. AND COUNCIL PROPOSED A WORK SESSION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND OR HEAR THE TERMS OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. IF WE GO BACK JUST A FEW MONTHS, COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED THAT RESIDENTIAL LIGHTING STANDARDS BE LOOKED AT AND A STUDY BE CONDUCTED TO DETERMINE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING. ONCE WE RECEIVED A DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL THAT .25-FOOT COUNT UP-- FOOT-CANDLE WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENT, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT OUR ORDINANCE WOULD NEED MORE WORK BY WAY OF DEFINITIONS, BY WAY OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT TYPES OF PLANS WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED WITH DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS.

BY WAY OF HOW DOES THIS ORDINANCE WORK WITH EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS AND LIGHTING AND-- IN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS. AND OF COURSE, IT REALLY IDENTIFIED AND FINE-TUNED WHAT COMPONENTS OF THAT ARE REQUIRED.

THIS WAS NOT DONE IN ISOLATION. WE JUST LOOKED AT WHAT IS OUT THERE IN TERMS OF DEFINITIONS. AND WE DID EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AND LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES AND READ THROUGH THOSE COMPONENTS AND THOSE ORDINANCES.

FURTHERMORE, WE ALSO CONDUCTED THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD THEM AND COME TO YOU. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HELD THREE VERY ORGANIC WORK SESSIONS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND IT IS THROUGH THAT THAT THIS ORDINANCE CAME BEFORE YOU. SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP ALLISON. SHE HAS ALL THE TECHNICAL ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ORDINANCE, AND WE WILL BE HERE TO TRY TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

ALLISON DECAY, PLANNING MANAGER WITH THE CITY.

TONIGHT FOR DISCUSSION I WILL BE PRESENTING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 77-510 OF THE ROWLETT DEVELOP MUCH CODE REGARDING EXTERIOR LIGHTING. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT HAS CLEAR AND MATCHABLE LIGHT STANDARDS ALL MAINTAINING SAFETY AND IMPACTS ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

THERE WE GO. TONIGHT'S REQUEST IS TO REPEAL AND REPLACE THE EXISTING EXTERIOR LIGHTING SECTION OF THE RELATIVE ELEMENT CODE. AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES STANDARDS, DEFINES CHELATING TERMS, AND PROVIDES STAFF WITH MEASURABLE CRITERIA FOR BOTH DEVELOP AND REVIEW AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. PER COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, STAFF REVIEWED THE CITIES EXTERIOR LIGHTING REGULATIONS AFTER CONCERNS WERE RAISED REGARDING LIGHTING IMPACTS ON A NEARBY HOMES. DURING OUR REVIEW, STAFF FOUND THAT THE EXISTING ORDINANCE HAD-- MET GENERAL EXPECTATIONS, IT LACKED STANDARDS AND CLEAR DEFINITIONS FOR SEVERAL TECHNICAL TERMS. STAFF DEFINED THESE MEASURABLE STANDARDS THROUGHOUT MULTIPLE PNC WORK SESSIONS BEFORE THE COMMISSION HAD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

FOLLOWING THE JUNE 16TH PUBLIC HEARING, COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION TO FURTHER DISCUSS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU TODAY, WOULD BRINGS US HERE TONIGHT.

PENDING COUNCIL DIRECTION, THE ORDINANCES SCHEDULED FOR CONSIDERATION AT TOMORROW'S REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BEFORE GETTING IN TO SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, BEFORE YOU IS A TABLE SUMMARIZING SOME LIGHTING COMPLAINTS RECEIVED BETWEEN 2003 AND 2006. THESE ARE SEPARATED INTO TWO SEPARATE CATEGORIES, THE RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL-- THE COMPLAINTS PACK AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL LIGHTING COMPLAINTS. AS SHOWN, MOST OF THESE COMPLAINTS WERE RESOLVED THROUGH INSPECTIONS AND CORRECTIVE ACTIONS. AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE THE SUBJECTIVE TOOLS FOR STAFF COMPLETING SUCH INSPECTIONS MOVING FORWARD.

WHILE THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE MOST FREQUENT ON THE LIST, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 100 OF THESE

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AND THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT IS TO PROVIDE A MORE DEFINITIVE LIGHTING STANDARDS, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.

WHILE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE GENERALLY PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS. IT DOES NOT ESTABLISH MEASURABLE OUTCOMES WHEN IT COMES TO LIGHTING LIMIT, THE TERMS AND OBJECTIVE CRITERIA WHEN RESPONDING TO SUCH COMPLAINTS.

THESE AMENDMENTS WILL IMPROVE CLARITY FOR APPLICANTS AND RESIDENTS AND STAFF WITHOUT CHANGING THE OVERALL INTENTION OF THE ORDINANCE. THE GOALS OF THESE AMENDMENTS ARE TO PROTECT NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FROM EXCESSIVE LIGHT AND GLARE WHILE MAINTAINING ADEQUATE LIGHTING FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY. THE CONSISTENCY OF DEVELOP INTERVIEW WILL ALSO BE BENEFITED AS IT WILL PROVIDE MEASURABLE STANDARDS FOR ENFORCEMENT AFTER CONSTRUCTION.

AND BEFORE GOING TOO DEEP INTO THE PROPOSED STANDARDS, I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME KEY TERMS THAT WILL BE FOUND THROUGHOUT THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE. AND THE FIRST BEING A LUMEN.

WHICH MEASURES THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT PRODUCED BY A FIXTURE.

SO ESSENTIALLY HOW BRIGHT A FIXTURE IS, HOWEVER LUMENS ALONE DO NOT INDICATE HOW MUCH LIGHT WILL REACH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. NEXT, A FOOT-CANDLE.

WHICH MEASURES THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT REACHES A SPECIFIC LOCATION. THIS IS THE MEASUREMENT THAT STAFF WOULD USE AT THE PROPERTY LINE TO SEE WHAT REFLECTS FROM THERE AND THE ACTUAL LIGHTING IMPACT EXPERIENCED BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UNLIKE LUMENS, THIS MEASURES THE IMPACT, RATHER THAN THE PICTURES OUTLET.

AND GLARE. IT OCCURS WHEN LIGHTING SHINES DIRECTLY IN TO SOMEONE'S EYES OR ON A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

OFTEN BECAUSE FIXTURES ARE IMPROPERLY AIMED OR UNSHIELDED.

THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE REQUIRES LIGHTING TO BE DIRECTED AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO MINIMIZE THESE IMPACTS.

ONE OF THE PRIMARY AMENDMENTS I WAS DISCUSSING IN PREVIOUS WORK SESSIONS IS THE MAX FOOT CANDLE AT A SITE, AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY VOTES THAT WAS TAKEN FROM ALL THE WORK SESSIONS WAS A MAXIMUM ELIMINATION LEVEL OF .25 FOOT-CANDLES AT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. THIS STANDARD REFLECTS COUNCIL'S PREVIOUS DIRECTION AND BALANCES WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY AND SAFETY STANDARDS, PROVIDING SAFE AND CLEAR OBJECTIVE ENFORCEMENT. THESE STANDARDS WILL BE APPLIED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPING PROCESS.

LIGHTING PLANS WILL BE REVIEWED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION, AND IF COMPLAINTS ARISE AFTERWARDS, STAFF CAN VERIFY COMPLIANCE USING MEASURABLE FIELD READINGS RATHER THAN SUBJECTIVE OPERATIONS-- SUBJECTIVE OBSERVATIONS.

OVERALL, WHAT IS CHANGING CAN BE SEEN IN THIS TABLE IN THE SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. WE ARE MOVING FROM GENERAL EXPECTATIONS TO CLEAR MEASURABLE STANDARDS BY ADDING DEFINITIONS, ESTABLISHING A RESIDENTIAL LIGHTING LIMIT AND REPLACING SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION WITH OBJECTIVE MEASUREMENT TOOLS.

AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THESE AMENDMENTS THROUGH MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS.

AND FOLLOWING DISCUSSIONS, REVISIONS AND A PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A 6-1 VOTE.

BASED ON STAFF'S REVIEW, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WILL ESTABLISH MEASURABLE RESIDENTIAL LIGHTING STANDARDS, IMPROVE CONSISTENCY DURING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, PROVIDE OBJECTIVE ENFORCEMENT CRITERIA, REDUCE LIGHTING IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES, AND MODERNIZE SECTION 77-510 OF THE ROWLETT DEVELOP AND CODE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE AND I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

SPEE-- >> COUNCIL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? ALLISON, THERE WAS MADE MENTIONED DURING THE-- THIS IS% GOING TO BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR... DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE ENFORCEABILITY OF OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE VERSUS THE ORDINANCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OR CONSIDERING. WHAT REALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM A CODE COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT OF ENFORCEABILITY OF

THE TWO ORDINANCES? >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

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FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF PERHAPS MODERNIZING AND INTRODUCING MORE DEFINITIONS, THAT IS THE TRUE DIFFERENCE.

LASTLY, IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FROM A SUBMITTAL PERSPECTIVE, AS OPPOSED TO A FOOT-CANDLE PLAN IN THIS INSTANCE, THE LIGHTING PLAN. THE PROGRAM WOULD PROVIDE A LIGHTING PLAN. AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE RECEIVE NOW. MORE TEETH TO THIS ORDINANCE

FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. >> AND MORE CLARITY FROM THE EXISTING DEVELOP AND STANDPOINT BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED.

>> INSTEAD OF SAYING THERE IS GLARE, WE WILL IDENTIFY IS A GLARE, IS A LUMINANCE, IS THEY ARE TRUE MIGRATION OF THAT FOOT-CANDLE AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

>> THIS IS A QUESTION FOR VICTORIA ACTUALLY.

WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, OUR PRE-EXISTING STRUCTURES, THE TERM LEGAL NONCONFORMITY, WHAT WOULD THAT PLAY LIKE IN THIS ORDINANCE IF ACCEPTED WE.

>> SURE. AS FAR AS INSTALLING FIXTURES, THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE ANYBODY TO GO BACK AND TAKEOUT THE FIXTURES THAT THEY HAVE AND INSTALL. IT IS NOT RETROACTIVE.

IT WOULD BE PROSPECTIVE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

IN THAT REGARD THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN TO THAT NEXT

STEP. >> OKAY.

HOW DO YOU TELL IF A LIGHT FIXTURE WAS THERE SIX MONTHS AGO

VERSUS INSTALLED YESTERDAY? >> I THINK VICTORIA IS REFERRING TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS. SO WE HAVE RECEIVED NEW DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT.

NOT SOMEONE GOING IN AND CHANGING THEIR FIXTURE.

VICTORIA, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.

IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BETTER IDENTIFY WHAT THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT IS. AND THE COMPLAINT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMEDIED BY BOX SHIELDING OR DOWN LIGHTING, OR WHATEVER THE

SCENARIO WOULD BE. >> THAT IS TRUE.

IF IT'S A PRE-EXISTING FIXTURE AND CAPABLE OF BEING ADJUSTED AND REMEDIED, THEN IT HAS TO BE REMEDIED.

>> SO IT'S NOT REALLY GRANDFATHERED.

IF IT CANNOT BE ADJUSTED, WHAT DO WE DO?

>> THAT IS WHAT I MEAN. THEN IT IS GRANDFATHERED.

BUT IT'S A SIMPLE MATTER OF ADJUSTING IT DOWNWARD, PLACING A SHIELD THAT OTHERWISE COMES WITH THE LIGHTING FIXTURE.

AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE. >> WHAT IF IT EXCEEDS THE .25

CANDLE? >> IT'S STILL LEGALLY NONCONFORMING. IT'S VESTED.

>> SO LEGALLY NONCONFORMING. IT EXCEEDS .25?

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WE. >> VICTORIA, LET ME TAKE A STAB AT THIS AND REFINE MY LANGUAGE IF NEED BE.

THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL LIGHTING, I'M GOING TO SPECIFICALLY HONE IN ON THAT WITH-- IS WITH ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO IF THERE IS A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOME UNDER CONSTRUCTION IT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY. A NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY. IF SOMEONE IS GOING IN AND DOING MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR EXTERIOR FACADE, WHICH MEANS NEW LIGHTING FIXTURES, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY.

IF I HAVE AN EXISTING HOME AND I ATTACH A LARGER BULB, THAN THE DEFINITION OF THAT WOULD COME IN TO PLAY IF IT SHINING TOO

BRIGHTLY. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION SOLIZ--

>> I DID NOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I JUST REALIZED. SO IF YOU WERE AN EXISTING HOME THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGES TO THEM.

>> ALONG THAT LINE, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT OBJECTIVE

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MEASUREMENT TOOLS? >> I AM GOING TO DEFER TO ALLISON ON THAT. SHE IS WELL-VERSED WITH WHAT THOSE TOOLS ARE WE USE. OTHER THAN JUST A DEVICE THAT WE GO OUT AND UTILIZED TO MEASURE OFF OF THAT.

BUT THE OTHER OBJECTIVE TOOLS ARE HOW THE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND WHAT THOSE PLANS REQUIRE, OTHER THAN

JUST A FOOT-CANDLE PLAN. >> SO THERE IS A PHYSICAL TOOL?

>> WE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT ONE WITH US.

WE DIDN'T BRING IT WITH US. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE HOW THAT

WORKS, ALLISON? >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME OF IT. IT SLIPPED MY MIND.

BUT IT WOULD GET POINTED AT THE GLARE OF THE LIGHT FIXTURE SHINING IN THE DIRECTION OF WHATEVER PROPERTY, AND IT WILL MEASURE THE AMOUNT OF LUMEN THAT IS COMING OFF.

SO WITH THAT TOOL WE CAN MEASURE IF IT EXCEEDS THE .25.

AND IF SO THEN THAT IS WHERE IT WOULD GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR

REVIEW. >> ANDREW, YOU HAVE BEEN OUT ON SITE DOING THIS ENFORCEMENT. CAN YOU TALK US THROUGH HOW THAT WORKS AND WHAT SORT OF THINGS YOU LOOK FOR?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. CODE ENFORCEMENT, ANDREW ESPINOZA. WHEN WE TYPICALLY GET A COMPLAINT WE COORDINATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.

IF THEY WANT TO. AND WE WILL TAKE MULTIPLE RATINGS AT THE PROPERTY LINE. TYPICALLY OUTSTANDING LEVEL, AT THOSE LOCATIONS. WE WILL DOCUMENT WHAT THOSE FINDINGS WERE AND MAKE A DETERMINATION.

OUR TOOLS ARE LIGHT READERS THAT ARE CALIBRATED WHERE WE PURCHASE NEW ONES. BUT WE TRY TO PARTNER WITH THE COMPLAINANT SO WE CAN EDUCATE THEM AND SHOW THEM DISPLAY AND WE CAN VALIDATE THAT WE ARE READING IT CORRECTLY.

>> THANK YOU. >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE.

I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.

IF WE IMPLEMENTED THIS, DO YOU ANTICIPATE A SUBSTANTIAL

INCREASE IN COMPLIANCE? >> AS MISS ALLISON MENTIONED, WE HAD 102 COMPLAINTS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

THAT IS A LOT. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.

THE MOST DIFFICULT PART OF IT IS WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE NIGHTTIME INSPECTIONS WITH OUR OFFICERS? DO WE HAVE TIME, AND THEY SEPARATE FROM THEIR FAMILIES, CAN WE ACCOMMODATE WHEN THE RESIDENT WILL BE HOME? SO THAT REALLY IS THE MOST DIFFICULT PART OF THIS. BUT WHO KNOWS.

ONCE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION THERE COULD BE A POSSIBLE

INCREASE. >> OKAY., THANK YOU.

>> ALLISON, THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS IS A HUNDRED AND 20

SOMETHING? >> AROUND 100.

APPROXIMATELY 100. YOU MENTION 102 SPECIFICALLY.

>> BETWEEN 2023 AND CURRENT? THREE AND A HALF YEARS?

>> YES. ONE IS IN REVIEW AND DEPENDING.

>> SO THAT'S ONLY LIKE 30 PER YEAR.

NOT EVEN ONE WEEK OF LIGHT. SPECIFIC LIGHT CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS. AM I ON THE LEVEL WITH THAT?

>> ROUGHLY. AND I KNOW SOME OF THOSE ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSES. THEY APPEAR MULTIPLE TIMES.

>> RIGHT. >> ONE THING THROUGH THE TABLE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SHOW YOU ON THE CHART, IT IS-- WE'VE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT, LOOK AT THESE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO SHIELD THAT LINING. IN ALMOST EVERY INSTANCE THAT HAS OCCURRED, IT HAS NEVER BEEN A REPEAT OF FANS, SO TO SPEAK.

IT'S ALL VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE. >> GOT IT.

HOW DOES THAT TYPE OF A COMPLAINT COMPARED TO OTHER COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET? HIGH GRASS COMPLAINTS OR...

CERTAINLY CODE DEALS WITH ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.

FENCES, TREES, MAILBOXES ACROSS THE BOARD.

HOW DOES THAT COMPARE? >> I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION EARLIER. LOOKING AT THE THREE YEAR SPAN, HOW MANY LIGHTING COMPLAINTS DID WE RECEIVE VERSES IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, HOW MANY TALL HIGH GRASS AND WEED COMPLAINTS WILL BE RECEIVED? WE TREAT EACH COMPLAINT EXACTLY THE SAME. WE DISPATCH AN OFFICER AND THEY DO THEIR HOMEWORK AND DO AND EXPECT-- INSPECTION.

>> COUNCIL QUESTIONS? CARTER?

>> A COUPLE QUESTIONS. AS THIS COUNCIL KNOWS, I AM PRO-BUSINESS. AND I WANT TO ATTRACT MORE BUSINESS. WHEN I LOOK DOWN ON THE OTHER END AT MY COLLEAGUE, IF HE IS OPENING A NEW BUSINESS, IS THIS POLICY LESS RESTRICTIVE OR MORE RESTRICTIVE?

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>> I WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON THAT ONE BEFORE.

THE WAY THIS WOULD IMPACT NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN IS IT SETS THAT STANDARD STRAIGHTAWAY. SO WHEN THEY ARE SUBMITTING THE PHOTOMETRIC FOR THERE LIGHTING PLAN, THIS IS REVIEWED BY STAFF EARLY ON. SO AT THAT POINT, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS NEAR COMPLETION AND INSPECTION IS READY, WE CAN POINT THAT OUT FIRST AND FOREMOST RIGHT AWAY.

AND ADDRESS IT BEFORE ANY CFO'S OR ANYTHING ARE ISSUED.

AND AT THAT POINT IT PREVENTS FUTURE COMPLAINTS OR ISSUES GOING OUT THERE. WHICH THEN I DON'T WANT TO SAY WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT AND INPUT COMING IN, BUT IT AT LEAST PREVENTS IT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY

OPEN AND OPERATING. >> IN THAT CASE YOU MENTION THERE IS A NEW LIGHTING PLAN THAT YOU MUST SUBMIT.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> ALLISON IS RIGHT.

ALLISON HAS NOT MEMORIALIZED ALL THE CODES AND ORDINANCES YET.

SHE WILL LEARN THEM BY NEXT WEEK, HOPEFULLY.

BUT LET US TALK ABOUT COMPARISON WITH WHAT IS EXISTING IN WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS NOT VERY DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT ONEROUS.

THE PROPOSED OR-- ORDINANCES NOT ONEROUS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

>> IS THERE A COST DIFFERENTIAL? WHEN YOU SAY A NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MUST COMPLY WITH THIS VERSE IS ONE THAT IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, LET'S SAY COTTONWOOD CREEK, WHO HAS HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL VENTURE AND WANTS TO DO MORE BUSINESS WITH ROWLETT, ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT NOW WE HAVE PAST A NEW ORDINANCE THAT MAYBE MORE RESTRICTIVE AND COSTLY.

AND YOU QUANTIFY THAT IN SOME WAY?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE I CAN QUANTIFY IT WITH NUMBERS.

BUT I CAN SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF NEW DEVELOP AND YOU SEE DOES LIKELY COMPLY WITH WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING ANYWAY.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT COST A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE NOT JUST HAVING A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN, BUT HAVING A LIGHTING PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES THE FIXTURES WOULD BE ACCOMPANYING THOSE PLANS.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION. AND THIS IS SORT OF-- WELL, LET'S THINK OF IT LIKE THIS. WE HAVE A HOMEOWNER THAT CAME HERE IN 1985 AND BUILT THEIR HOME, AND NOW THEY ARE UP IN AGE AND THEY CHANGE THE LIGHT BULB IN THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.

THIS MIGHT BE A RIDICULOUS QUESTION.

AND THEIR NEIGHBOR COMPLAINS. UNDER YOUR SCENARIO, YOU ARE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND INSPECT AND CITE THEM UNTIL THEY

CORRECT THAT ISSUE, CORRECT? >> WE WOULD MEET WITH THEM TO TRY TO DEVELOP THAT RELATIONSHIP.

BUT THEY WOULD GET A NOTICE OF VIOLATION OR A CITATION.

>> WHAT WITH A COST THAT HOMEOWNER?

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> AND THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION DOESN'T COST ANYTHING.

IT GIVES YOU TIME TO CURE. >> MY ONLY POINT IS IF I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RUN UP TO HOME DEPOT OR JACOBS AND BUY SOMETHING, NOW SUDDENLY WE ARE SAYING WE CAN'T DO THAT ANY LONGER.

I THINK THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING.

>> MY ONLY QUESTION BACK AT YOU, CARTER, WOULD BE UNDER THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT COMPLAINT COULD STILL HAPPEN.

THERE IS LESS SPECIFICITY AROUND HOW THAT IS ENFORCED.

THEN WE ARE PUTTING STAFF IN THE POSITION OF DRAWING THAT LINE OF JUDGEMENT AS OPPOSED TO AN ORDINANCE BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE CUT AND DRY. WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER? WOULD YOU PREFER THE ONE THAT CALLS IN TO QUESTION MORE DISCERNMENT? OR THE ONE THAT IS EASIER TO

JUSTIFY? >> THERE YOU GO ASKING

RHETORICAL QUESTIONS. >> I AM DEAD SERIOUS.

BECAUSE HONESTLY, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THAT ON A HOME THAT IS ALREADY BUILT, THIS INTRODUCES THE CONCEPT OF NONCONFORMITY, THEN I AM HAPPY WITH IT.

SO I'M ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW YOUR ANSWER. BUT I'M HAPPY WITH THE ORDINANCE IF IT'S GOING TO INTRODUCE THAT ISSUE AGAIN.

>> AS YOU KNOW, I AM A SIMPLISTIC GUY.

AND WE WENT FROM TWO PAGES TO 14 PAGES.

WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS A NEW HOME OWNER BEING SLAPPED WITH 14 PAGES OF HERE IS WHAT OUR REGULATIONS ARE IN ROWLETT.

I WANT MORE BUSINESS, MORE HOMES.

LESS RESTRICTIVE. AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK THIS IS A BIT OF AN OVERREACH BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 14 PAGES.

I'M A SIMPLISTIC GUY. >> LESS IS MORE, RATE?

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WE WILL HEAR THIS AGAIN TOMORROW.

THIS IS THE TIME TO EXPLORE. >> ALL RIGHT.

TIME TO EXPLORE. AND WITHOUT SPECIFICS ABOUT THE-- ALONG THE LINES OF MY COLLEAGUE THERE IN THE COMMERCIAL WORLD. IF YOU TAKE NONCOMMERCIAL-- A NONCOMMERCIAL ENTITY AND PUT IT NEXT TO WHAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CMMERCIAL ENTITY WHO HAS SUCH ILLUMINATED LIGHTS THAT THEY JUST COMPLETELY ENGROSS THE NEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS THERE. IS THERE A LEG TO STAND ON AS FAR AS A COMPLAINT? I'M DEFINITELY PRO-BUSINESS.

AND I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW-- WHAT HAS BEEN ACCEPTABLE BEFORE FOR BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND, OR HAS BEEN AROUND SO LONG.

BEING IN ROWLETT FOR 35 YEARS I'VE SEEN A LOT OF COMMERCIAL GO UP. AND THAT PART OF THE DEAL IS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS. WHAT OPTIONS DO YOU GET INTO WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME WITH VERY EXTREME ILLUMINATED LIGHTS? AND I UNDERSTAND THE CODE, BUT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WHO HAS MORE OF A-- I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD TOO MUCH, BUT MORE OF AN IMPACT ENVIRONMENT, DO TO SUCH EXTREME LIGHTING, HOW DO WE GO DOWN AND TAKE CARE OF THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME WHILE WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THE NEW ONE THAT JUST CAME IN? THE MORE WE GET INTO THE AREAS, I'M LOOKING FOR MORE ENTERTAINMENT IDEAS. WE HAVE SOME THINGS DOWNTOWN PRETTY SOON. THERE ARE BUSINESSES AROUND THAT HAVE LIGHTING THAT IS UP. WHILE WE ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE BETTER BUSINESSES, OR MORE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.

THOSE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE A STRONG LIGHTING, THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, HOW DO YOU TAKE CARE OF THE NEW GUY WHO JUST CAME IN, WHO DOESN'T WANT ALL THESE CRAZY LIGHTS. WHILE WE TRY TO PRESENT AN ENVIRONMENT. DOWNTOWN IS ONE THAT IS MUCH MORE OF AN INTIMATE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT AS OPPOSED TO A CRAZY LOUD-- I'M TRYING TO CHOOSE MY WORDS WISELY.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW DO YOU CATER TO BOTH SIDES HERE? DO HAVE ONE HISTORY HERE. A LONG-TERM.

ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, YOU ARE COMING IN WITH THIS EQUALLY IMPORTANT TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT HAS IT'S OWN RIGHTS TO HAVE WITH NOT HAVING BRIGHT LIGHTS IN TO THEIR ENVIRONMENT.

HOW DO WE WORK THROUGH THAT? THIS IS A COMMERCIAL WORLD.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS BUDDING UP ON A.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL?

>> YES. >> THAT I CANNOT SPEAK TO.

>> EXISTING COMMERCIAL, AS LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH THAT EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT THEY DEVELOPED UNDER, THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS IS. THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE THE BONUS TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

SO IF THAT PLAYER IS INDEED-- IF THE FOOT-CANDLES ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE ORDINANCE THEY DEVELOPED UNDER, THEY WOULD

CONTINUE TO OPERATE THAT WAY. >> HOW DO YOU FIND OUT? I CANNOT LOOK AT A LIVE BALL BENDIGO, OH, LOOK AT THAT-- LIVE

BULB AND GO, OH, LOOK AT THAT. >> MOST OF OUR PLANS ARE FROM WHEN DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED, WHEN DEVELOPMENT PLANS WERE APPROVED. BUILDING AND PERMITS WERE APPROVED. FOR THE MOST PART WE HAVE THOSE DATES. AND WE WOULD KNOW, LET'S SAY THE CITY COUNCIL DID IT ON THIS ORDINANCE.

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AND THE ADJACENCIES OR THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT WOULD COMPLY WITH EXISTING CODES. WE KNOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR WELL OVER A DECADE.

WE KNOW THAT EXISTS TOO. SO GOING FURTHER BACK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT RESEARCH AND IDENTIFY TIME FOR CONSTRUCTION

OR APPROVAL OF FUNDS. >> IN THIS REGARD, THE GRANDFATHERING IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER BUILDING STANDARD. IF WE SUDDENLY OUTLAW BRICK BACK EVERYONE WITH A BRICK HOME OR COMMERCIAL WOULD STILL BE GRANDFATHERED. IF THAT LIGHTING FIXTURE WAS LEGAL WHEN IT WAS PUT IN, THEN IT IS LEGAL NOW.

IT IS GRANDFATHERED. AS LONG AS IT IS BEING OPERATED APPROPRIATELY, PROPERLY. YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE WHERE IT SHINES AND LET IT SHINE RIGHT IN TO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S WINDOW.

THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S MEANT FOR. SO THE CITY CAN FOR THAT EXTEND MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE OPERATING WITHIN IT'S PARAMETERS.

IF IT IS FIXED AND CANNOT BE MOVED, THEN THAT'S HOW IT IS BEING INSTALLED AND THAT IS HOW IT STAYS.

IT IS GRANDFATHERED IN THAT REGARD.

>> I WANT TO ADD THAT WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING CODE FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO I THINK THAT THIS CLARIFIES THAT TO SOME EXTENT. BUT UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE LAS VEGAS IN A COMMERCIAL AREA.

SO WE WOULD HAVE THOSE IN PLACE. PROVIDING MORE CLARITY, AND REQUIRES SOME PERMITTING PROCESSES SO THAT WE PREVENT PROBLEMS FROM DEVELOPING. ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE ARE ABOUT CLARITY AND PREVENTION, MORE THAN IT IS ABOUT DRAMATICALLY CHANGING WHAT IS BEING APPLIED TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THE REAL SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THE STANDARDS BEING PROPOSED FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

>> MAYOR, IF I COULD MAKE TWO MORE POINTS, ONE, WE HEARD FROM MR. HANEY TONIGHT WHO DOES PUT-- WHO DOES RUN A COMMERCIAL NURSING HOME. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE HAVING LAS VEGAS OVER THEM-- THEY ARE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIM IT LIGHTS UP HIS HOUSE. THAT IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE COMMERCIAL IS BUDDING IN TO RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK WE SHOULD PAY PARTICULAR INTEREST TO THAT.

WHICH ALSO BRINGS ME TO AN ATHLETIC FACILITY THAT IS CLOSE TO WATERVIEW. IF WE HAD THIS ORDINANCE WOULD

THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED? >> THE ATHLETIC FACILITY FALLS UNDER A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EVOLVEMENT CODE.

>> PRIVATE ATHLETIC FACILITY. >> CORRECT.

IT FALLS UNDER THE FORMER BASE COAT.

SO THE FOOT-CANDLES REQUI REQUIREMENTS, THE AVERAGE FOOT-CANDLES REQUIREMENTS IN THAT AREA ARE DIFFERENT.

>> ONE FINAL POINT. I HAD THE LARGE HONOR BEFORE RETIRING THAT WE BUILT A HOUSE FOR A VETERAN.

AND ONE OF THE MOST MOVING THINGS I HAVE EVER DONE.

HE CALLED ME AFTER HE MOVED IN AND SAID CARTER, I NEED SOME HELP. I WENT OUT THERE AND HE SAID I NEED MY TREES REMOVED. AND HE HAD NEVER OWNED A HOME.

HE WAS A MAJOR IN THE ARMY. HAD BEEN FROM ALL OVER.

A WOUNDED VETERAN. HE NEEDED HIS TREES REMOVED.

I SAID THIS IS TEXAS. WE CHERISH OUR TREES.

WE WANT TREES. CARTER, THEY HAVE TO GO.

AT THESE TREES OUT OF HERE. SO I ARRANGED TO REMOVE THE TREES. AND I REMEMBER VIVIDLY THAT I STOOD ON HIS BACK PORCH AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT. WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS SAFETY.

SO WHEN WE THINK OF THESE RESTRICTIVE ORDINANCES, THAT IS TOP OF FILE ME. THAT STORY.

>> COUNCIL, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THERE WAS A SECTION IN HERE THAT MENTIONED-- IT'S ON PAGE 15 OF THE PACKET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE OF THE ORDINANCE IT IS. SECTION F.

LIGHTING FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION USES LIKE BALL DIAMONDS, PLAYING FIELDS, TENNIS COURTS AND SIMILAR USES.

THIS MAY TOUCH ON WHAT MR. HOLSTON JUST DESCRIBED.

THERE IS A SUBPARAGRAPH THREE IN THERE THAT SAYS LIMITS ON THE

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>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY THE PROPERTY. IN THE CASE OF THE TWO BELMONT LIKE WHAT MR. HOLSTON DESCRIBED, UNDER THIS REVISED ORDINANCE, THERE MIGHT BE A FACILITY THAT CAN OPERATE OUTSIDE THOSE HOURS.

BUT THEY CAN ONLY DO IT FOR THREE DAYS.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND WITH REGARDS TO SEARCHLIGHTS, THEY ARE MENTIONED IN HERE.

AND THAT WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED WITH A CITY EMERGENCY.

I'M ASSUMING DPS ONE, USING A SEARCH LIGHT FOR A SUBJECT.

>> I WANT TO STATE, AND I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

I HAVEN'T COMMITTED THAT PIECE TO MEMORY EITHER.

BUT ANY CITY COMPONENTS RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY IS EXEMPT FROM THIS ORDINANCE. I THINK ONE OF THE SEARCHLIGHTS, OR THOSE LIGHTS THAT DO THAT, THOSE WERE LIMITED TO TEMPORARY FOR PEOPLE HAVING AN EVENT, OR A GRADUATION, FOR EXAMPLE.

>> ALL RIGHT, PERFECT. VICTORIA, THE ONLY THING I WILL PUSH BACK ON YOU ON, YOU MADE THE REFERENCE TO THE-- IF WE SUDDENLY OUTLAW BRICK, WHICH WE CAN'T DO, BUT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? I WOULD ARGUE THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO GO OUT AND APPLY BRICK LATER ON THEIR HOME IT WOULD BE MORE OBVIOUS THAN GOING OUT AND ADDING A NEW LIGHT FIXTURE THAT THEY CAN THEN SAY, THAT WAS THERE ALL ALONG.

THAT IS WHERE I GET IN TO THE QUESTION OF THE ISSUE OF

NONCONFORMITY. >> I THINK THAT IN THAT EVENT, AND I FULLY AGREE, THERE WILL BE SOME CASES WHERE IT MAYBE DIFFICULT AND BE REALLY FACT INTENSIVE TO TRY TO DETERMINE IF THE LIGHTING FIXTURE HAS BEEN INSTALLED POST ORDINANCE OR

PREORDINANCE. >> I THINK THE CITY A NUMBER YEARS-- A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WENT THROUGH A PROCESS OF ATTEMPTING TO RECTIFY AN ISSUE WITH ACCESSORY PERMITS, AND THEN BEGAN REQUIRING ACCESSORY PERMITS.

AND THAT OPENED A WHOLE OTHER CAN OF WORMS THAT WE AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST TRIED TO SOLVE AND CERTAINLY CAUSED EVEN MORE PROBLEMS THAN WE INTENDED THROUGH AN ATTEMPT AT THAT RESOLUTION. THAT IS MY ONLY CAUTION.

TO THIS COUNCIL. CERTAINLY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS IN JANUARY, I THINK THERE WAS AN HONORABLE INTENT, WHICH WAS TO UPDATE AND MAKE MORE MODERN OUR ORDINANCE.

BECAUSE IT WAS I THINK VERY MUCH OUT OF SYNC WITH WHAT WE INTENDED. BUT, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED AND ALL THINGS INCLUSIVE, IT MIGHT BE THE RIGHT MIX OF WHAT WE NEED

RIGHT NOW. >> IF I MAY, TO CARTER'S POINT, I COULD USE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY ARE ELDERLY.

THEY HAD A GUY WHO PUT UP A LIGHT OR SCREWED IN A LIGHT, BUT MY ART IS ALWAYS DARK. I CAN'T EVEN LOOK OUT IT IS SO BRIGHT. IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE.

BUT SHOULD I COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT? EITHER I WILL JUMP UP ON A LADDER AND FIX IT OR THEY WILL PAY SOMEBODY ELSE TO FIX IT. THAT IS MY CONCERN, IF WE DETERMINE NONCONFORMITY, IT'S CLEARLY SHINING IN TO MY WINDOW.

I CAN TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT, BUT THEN WE GET IN A PUSH, POLL, THEY GET A WARNING AND THEY GET A CITATION.

THAT CAN ALMOST GO TO $2000. EITHER I'M GOING OVER THERE TO CHANGE THE LIGHT ON A LADDER FOR THEY PAY THE GUY WHO CAME OUT THE FIRST TIME TO RESOLVE THIS. THAT IS MY CONCERN WHEN THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THE INCOME TO DO THAT.

>> COUNCILMEMBER, IF YOU COULD BEAR WITH ME, IF THAT IS THE EXISTING SITUATION, IT MAY NOT COMPLY CURRENTLY WITH THE LIGHT POLLUTION OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.

WE MAY NOT KNOW THE FOOT-CANDLES REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE'S DEATHLY SOMETHING THERE. AND THERE IS BLEED OVER.

AND THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH COMMUNICATION, WHICH IN OUR FIRST INCENSE, I NOTICED AND A VIOLATE-- A VIOLATION IMMEDIATELY. BUT JUST TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, YOU WILL NOTICE SOME OF OUR COMPLAINTS ARE ADDRESSED THROUGH

VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE. >> ANY LAST QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COUNCIL? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE WILL HEAR THIS ITEM AGAIN TOMORROW AND CONTINUE THAT PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU.

ANDREW, YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AS WELL.

[3.C. Receive a presentation and update regarding amendments to the Code of Ordinances, Article XI "Short Term Rentals" Chapter 10 “Businesses”, Article XI “Rental Housing”, Division 7 “Short Term Rentals”.]

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I APOLOGIZE. ITEM THREE SEE.

RECEIVE A PRESENTATION AND UPDATE REGARDING THE AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCES, ARTICLE 11, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, CHAPTER 11 BUSINESSES, ARTICLE 11 SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOUSING, AND

BUSINESS RENTALS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO THIS EVENING WE WANT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE. AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED APRIL 1ST ON A 25.

COUNCIL ARRANGED TO A SUBCOMMITTEE TO BRING ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING DENSITY TO ADDRESS ONGOING CONCERNS RELATED TO PARKING, NOISE AND OTHER PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CONCERNS. ON JANUARY 5TH, 2026, WE HAD A WORKING SESSION. WE RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK.

ON MAY 5TH 2026 WE PROVIDED THOSE AMENDMENTS.

BUT THAT WAS POSTPONED SO WE COULD GIVE THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS THIS BODY-- AND THIS BODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGHT IN. AND TO ALSO ADDRESS FORMER OCCUPIED STR'S. ON JUNE 15TH 2026 THAT WORK SESSION CONTINUED. AND AT THAT POINT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.

OWNER OCCUPIED STR'S. BUILD A MORE ROBUST PROGRAM AROUND INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS. AND ESTABLISH ADDITIONAL GROUNDS FOR REVOCATION AND SUSPENSION. SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS. ESTABLISH A FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVED BASIS AS IT RELATES TO DENSITY.

IN ADDITION, ESTABLISHED THAT 1000 PUT SEPARATION BETWEEN STR'S WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOREIGN-BASED CODE.

REQUIRE THE LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT.

SO THEY CAN QUICKLY ADDRESS CODE COMPLAINTS.

AND EXCEPT CITIES ISSUED CITATIONS.

AND BE AVAILABLE WITHIN ONE HOUR.

REQUIRE FRONT DOOR SIGNAGE. THERE'S THE DIMENSIONS, THERE IS THE INFORMATION THAT MUST BE POSTED.

AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO EXEMPT FULL-TIME OWNER OCCUPIED STR'S. AS A SIDE NOTE, WE ONLY DISCOVERED ONE OR TWO THAT ARE ACTUALLY OWNER OCCUPIED.

OUT OF THE 40 THAT WE HAVE. YOU ALSO ASKED A CITY ATTORNEY TO COMPOSE A SERIOUS INCIDENT DEFINITION.

AND I WILL NOT READ THIS, IT'S RELATIVELY LENGTHY, BUT WE BELIEVE IT CAPTURES YOUR REQUEST, AND A DEFINITION FOR OWNER-OCCUPIED, THAT WAY WE CAN ELIMINATED ANY CONFUSION.

IN ADDITION THE STR'S WOULD NOW BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST A TWO MILLION-DOLLAR LIABILITY INSURANCE COVERAGE.

AND FINALLY, AS IT RELATES TO GROUNDS FOR ROAD-- REVOCATION OR SUSPENSION, IF THERE WAS A SERIOUS INCIDENT IDENTIFIED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT TEAM, WE COULD POTENTIALLY SUSPEND THE STR WHILE THE INVESTIGATION IS CONDUCTED.

THE STR COULD ALSO BE DENIED A PERMIT FOR UP TO ONE YEAR, IF IT WAS FOUND TO BE TRUE, IF IT WAS A CONVICTION.

IF AN EXISTING STR WAS IDENTIFIED AS HAVING A SERIOUS INCIDENT, THAT PERMIT WOULD BE REVOKED, AND COULD POTENTIALLY BE REINSTATED IF THE CHARGES WERE DISMISSED OR UNFOUNDED.

THAT AND THIS PRESENTATION. AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR

QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

JUST A BRIEF CONTEXT. I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENT THAT EMAILED US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PERSPECTIVE WAS. SO QUESTION ABOUT DENSITY, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW THAT WE KNOW OUR PREMISE FOR WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE ORDINANCE. THE RESIDENT IS ASKING, DO WE HAVE ANY DEFINITIVE DATA AS FAR AS THE CORRELATION OF DENSITY TO A SERIOUS INCIDENT, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE ON IF WE ARE HAVING NONRELATED DENSITY ISSUES, ARE WE EXPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS, OR IS THAT NOT THE CORRELATION.

SO DO WE HAVE THAT DATA OR RESEARCH?

>> COUNCILMEMBER, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

WE DO NOT. I BELIEVE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO LIMIT HOW MANY STR'S CAN COME IN TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE DO NOT HAVE THAT DATA.

BUT WE KNOW WHERE ALL THE STR'S ARE LOCATED NOW.

>> I'M GOING TO DISAGREE, RESPECTFULLY.

WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD DATAWARE COMPLAINTS ARE CLUSTERED.

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COMPLAINTS AND IMPACTS ARE DEFTLY DOCUMENTED.

>> AND WE HAVE DOCUMENTED THAT STR IS IN GENERAL ARE THE GENESIS OF A LOT OF TYPES OF COMPLAINTS.

SO THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, AS ANDREW SAID, TO SOME EXTENT IS

TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF STR'S. >> THANK YOU FOR THOSE ANSWERS.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT AROSE FROM THAT CONVERSATION IS WE HAVE OWNER OCCUPIED, WE KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SIGNAGE THERE. BUT WHEN WE TAKE IN TO ACCOUNT THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT ARE WE MAKING OUR OWN ISSUE, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

ARE WE MAKING OUR OWN ISSUE BY MARKING THESE STR'S TAG BRB OWES, AIR B&BS, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS MIGHT BE A VACANT HOME, WE DON'T WANT TO GO IN THERE? AND CAUSE A CONCERN. WAS NOT BROUGHT UP AS WELL?

>> IF I MAY RESPOND TO THAT. CURRENTLY WE HAVE FOR RENT SIGNAGE, FOR SALE SIGNAGE. I WOULD CONTEND THAT IT'S THE SAME RISK. BUT I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN

FROM THE RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE. >> A COUPLE COMMENTS.

ONE, I WANTED TO THANK YOU. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU GAVE A HIGH BAR FOR THE SERIOUS INCIDENT.

I WAS READING THAT THINKING WOW. YOU GOT CLOSE.

THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE. THAT WAS GOOD LURING AND WORDSMITHING. I'M IMPRESSED WITH THAT.

I THINK IT PROVIDES AN OPTION, WHERE WHEN WE HAVE TO USE IT WE GET A PRETTY BROAD STATEMENT THERE.

ALONG THOSE LINES, I KNOW I SAW SOME POINTS AND I ASKED STAFF FOR SOME DATA. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET TO OFF-TRACK, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU THE SCENARIO.

IF WE HAVE AN STR THAT IS OWNED BY AN OUTSIDE COMPANY OR SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T LIVE HERE AND WE GET COMPLAINT AFTER COMPLAINT AFTER COMPLAINT, EYESIGHT PATTERN OF CATCH ME IF YOU CAN. NOT LICENSED, SECOND WARNING, ALL DO IT. BUT THE NEXT YEAR, SAME PROBLEM.

SO THEY ARE ROLLING THE DICE. WHETHER IT BE THAT OR GRASS OR COURT-- TRASH CANS OUTSIDE. WERE ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET RELATED TO STR'S. WHAT I WAS SEEING WAS REPEATED, EVERY YEAR IT'S THE SAME THING. HOW DO WE DEAL THAT FROM CODE

ENFORCEMENT? >> I APOLOGIZE COUNCILMEMBER.

I DON'T HAVE MY ORDINANCE BEFORE ME.

BUT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE HAS PROVISIONS IN IT WHERE IF THEY ARE IN-- A REPEAT OFFENDER WE CAN REVOTE AND SAYS-- REVOKE AND SUSPEND THAT PERMIT UP TO TWO YEARS.

TWO VIOLATIONS. TWO CITATIONS.

THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE DONE THAT AND ENFORCED THAT AT DISTRICT COURT ON AT LEAST ONE OF OUR STR

PROPERTIES. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. YOU SAID THAT WE HAD POSSIBLY

TWO THAT ARE OWNER-OCCUPIED? >> YES.

>> REMIND ME AGAIN, WHAT IS OUR ANNUAL PERMIT FEE?

>> $2000. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE. COULD WE HAVE A DIFFERENT FEE STRUCTURE FOR A ROWLETT RESIDENT WHO LIVED IN A HOME AND OPERATED ONE OF THESE? TO ME IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT EXCESSIVE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CORPORATION THING. I REALLY DON'T.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LEGAL ISSUE.

>> I WILL RESEARCH IT FOR YOU. BUT I'M ALMOST POSITIVE THAT I'VE READ AN OPINION-- IT WAS NOT THE ISSUE BEING ADDRESSED, BUT IT WAS ANOTHER TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.

BUT THE OPINION WAS THAT YOU COULD NOT USE IT DIFFERENTLY FOR

RESIDENTS VERSUS NONRESIDENTS. >> A FEE STRUCTURE.

>> IT WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT I THINK THAT ANALYSIS WOULD

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BE ACCURATE. >> JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

>> ONE THING THAT THE COUNCIL MAY CONSIDER IS BY ADDING THE 1000-FOOT RADIUS REQUIREMENT, THEY ARE CREATING ANOTHER LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF STR'S THAT COULD BE ESTABLISHED.

PREVIOUSLY OUR EFFORTS TO DO THAT WERE DONE THROUGH THE FEE.

IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO LOWER THE FEE.

KEEP THE 1000-FOOT RADIUS IN PLACE.

IT MIGHT ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WERE INTENDING TO ACCOMPLISH WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACTING FOLKS WHO ARE OWNER-OCCUPIED OPERATORS OF AN STR. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

-- A STR. >> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE REPEATED-- IS THAT A REPEATED COMPLAINT CREATE WHERE SOMEBODY COMPLAINS AND THEY COMPLY AFTER TWO WEEKS AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE GO TO THE SAME CAT-AND-MOUSE GAME? WHAT IS THE MEASURING STICK FOR THAT?

>> IT'S A VIOLATION. >> TO FIND VIOLATION FOR ME.

>> IT'S A CODE VIOLATION. THEY MAKE A COMPLAINT AND WE INVESTIGATED AND THEY DEFINED SOME-- THEY DEFINED THE

VIOLATION. >> A WARNING LETTER?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY CORRECTED AND TWO WEEKS LATER WE MAKE IT A COMPLAINT AND GO OUT THERE AND FIND ANOTHER

VIOLATION. >> AND THAT IS THE TWO.

OKAY, THANK YOU. >> MY LAST QUESTION, DO WE HAVE ANY DAYS-- THIS COULD BE KRISTOF OR ANDREW CATCHES VERIFYING THE NEED FOR THE TWO MILLION-DOLLAR LIABILITY INSURANCE? THE POINT WAS MADE VIA THE PLATFORM, THE AIRBNB AND VRBO HAVE A MILLION-DOLLAR LIABILITY THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE STR.

>> JUST BACKTRACKING, $2 MILLION WAS BASICALLY THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THIS GOVERNING BODY HAS A POLICY CHANGE. OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN CHANGE THAT.

YOU CAN LOWER IT. SO WE ARE HERE TO SERVE AT YOUR

PLEASURE. >> I WILL CHIME IN ON THAT.

I JUST MENTIONED IN THE WORK SESSION THAT A LOT OF CONTRACTORS ARE REQUIRED ON PREMISES TO HAVE $2 MILLION IN GENERAL LIABILITY INSURANCE. SO GUESSING WHAT OUR STANDARD IS AS FAR AS A CITY, WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER THAT.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE POINT OF THE LEGAL DEFINITION.

AS I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED NEAR YOU. THERE WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE THERE WAS A PARTY, AND SOMEONE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO SHOOT A GUN THAT WENT THROUGH A NEIGHBORS HOUSE.

LUCKILY NO ONE WAS INJURED. AND THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION, AND LO AND BEHOLD, WE CANNOT FIND OUT WHO SHOT THE GUN.

SO THERE IS NOT A CONVICTION IN THAT CASE.

AND IF THAT'S THE SITUATION, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE A LOOPHOLE. AND I WANT TO RAISE THE POINT, THAT IF GOD FORBID, THEY SHOT SOMEONE, THAT 2 MILLION IN

LIABILITY WILL NOT BE ENOUGH. >> I AGREE WITH THE 2 MILLION FOR SURE. THE OTHER PROBLEM IN THAT INSTANCE, AND IT COULD BE IN MANY INSTANCES, IS WHAT IS THE CRIME IN THAT SITUATION? WITH RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME, CLAIM IS CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.

THE CLAIM OF RECKLESS DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM, THAT'S A CITY ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.

BUT THE CRIME AGAINST THOSE INDIVIDUALS IS NOTHING MORE THAN CRIMINAL MISCHIEF, UNFORTUNATELY.

BECAUSE THERE WAS NO INTENT TO HARM.

BUT NO INTENT IS REQUIRED. >> I'M JUST MAKING SURE THERE IS NOT A LOOPHOLE WHERE NO CONVICTION MEANS WHAT WE

INTENDED TO MEAN. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY, IS THIS THE INCIDENT IN THE PARAGRAPH THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> I THINK IT IS IN THE DENIAL OF APPLICATION PERMIT PROVISION THAT IT WOULD BE TERMINATED UPON CONVICTION.

IT IS SUSPENDED DURING INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION.

>> THAT IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE INSURANCE RATE, THOUGH,

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BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF LIFE-- >> I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A LOOPHOLE WHERE THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION SO IT IS SUSPENDED. THERE IS NO CONVICTION AT THE NINE-MONTH RATE. NOW WE ARE ON MONTH TEN, OKAY YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK INTO BUSINESS IN ROWLETT.

THIS IS A SERIOUS INCIDENT. AND WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE INVESTIGATION, OR WE HAVE NOT MADE A CONVICTION TO WHOEVER DID THIS. I DON'T WANT THEM BACK IN BUSINESS UNTIL THIS IS ALL RESOLVED.

>> SO CAN WE ACCOMPLISH WHAT MR. HOLSTON IS SUGGESTING?

>> WHAT I'M LOOKING IS DENYING THE PERMIT TO OPERATING THE STR OR TERMINATING THE PERMIT TO OPERATE IN THE STR BASED ON ALLEGATIONS AND CANNOT BE PROVEN.

SO THAT IS WHY THAT COMPONENT IS BUILT IN THERE.

WE ARE SUSPENDING IT BECAUSE OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE ALLEGATIONS. WE ARE GOING TO SUSPENDED.

IF THERE IS A CHARGE. AN ARREST OR CHARGES BROUGHT.

AN INVESTIGATION TAKING PLACE. BUT THEN WE WOULD NOT TERMINATE AND IF THERE IS NO PROSECUTION, OR PROSECUTION DOES NOT RESULT IN A CONVICTION. DID THAT ANSWER IT?

>> I THINK SO. BUT I GUESS THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION BUT THERE IS NO-- IF THERE IS NO OTHER WAY,

SO BE IT. >> IF THEY ARE FOUND NOT GUILTY,

WE CAN'T GO BACK AND-- >> OR IN THIS CASE, IF THEY ARE

NOT FOUND. >> THAN THEY ARE STILL NOT FOUND GUILTY. THE ONLY THING WE CAN REVOKE THE PERMIT ON IS IF THEY WERE FOUND GUILTY OF WHATEVER THE EVENTS

WAS. >> BUT THEY SHOT A HOLE IN THE

NEIGHBORS HOUSE. >> DO YOU WANT TO CONVENE AN

[4. Executive Session (Part 1 of 2)]

LET'S DO A BRIEF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE WILL MOVE TO THE WORK SESSION ROOM.

WE WILL MOVE TO THE REAL WORK

[5. Reconvene Into Open Session and Take Any Necessary or Appropriate Action on Closed/Executive Session Matters (Part 2 of 2)]

I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE EXECUTIVE SESSION LANGUAGE FREIGHT AUTHORIZED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE ITEM THREE C WA CONVENED IN THE CLOSED EXECUTIV SESSION COURSE INKING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE ON THAT AGENDA ITEM.

WE CONVENED AT 8:47 P.M. AND COMPLETED AT 9:09 P.M. IT IS 9/ 11 P.M. AND WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

HAVING KYLE HEARD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPTIONS FO THE ORDINANCE AND DIFFERENT LEGAL PROVISIONS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE? MR. HOLSTON, ANY THOUGHTS? WE DID TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FEE IS THEIR CONSENSUS TO GENERALLY KEEP THE FEE AT THE 2,000 AND OR IS THER AN DESIRE TO REDUCE THAT FEE? 2,000? ARE NOT SEEN ANYBODY STRUGGLING TO GRAB THE MIC TO SAVE OVER A.

THAT FEE WOULD STAY THE SAME. OF ASSIGN ITS REQUIREMENT GENERALLY OKAY TO KEEP IT FOR O OWNER OCCUPIED STRS.

SCENIC THEY ARE VERY THE LIABILITY INSURANCE REQUIREMENT OF $2 MILLION, ARE WE GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THAT?

>> ONLY OUT OF CURIOSITY FOR TH RESIDENTIAL WORLD, FEES ATTACHE TO THE 2 MILLION DOLLAR, THAT I A QUESTION.

ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE IS THAT, I HAV TWO BUSINESSES, WINDSOR CHARITY MY TWO MILLION-DOLLAR POLICY IS ONE PRICE TAG, MIGHT COMMERCIAL SIDE, THE FOR-PROFIT IS A LOT HIGHER FEE JUST IN A SENSE OF CURIOSITY, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THE COST OF A $2 MILLION POLICY IS TO A RESIDENT THAT RUNS AND SCR BY CHANCE? YOU HAVE TO ADD THAT ONTO THE FEE DOES WHAT THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

I WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS CONVERSATION I'M JUST

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RESIDENTIAL SCR SIDE. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INSIGH ON THAT? I COULDN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL. JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THAT A WHILE AGO, WITH JUST LET FEET LOOK LIKE READ THEIR OWN PERSONAL COST FACTORS COMING OVER SOMETHING LIKE THAT GREAT.

>> I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTACT AN AGENT AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN LEARN SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIGURE OUT.

AND THEN OTHER,. >> DID WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHEN LIQUID CONSIDERATE. ND NO THAT CAME UP TODAY AS WELL POTENTIALLY. YOU HAD ME SECOND-GUESSING MYSELF. THINK IT'S TOMORROW.

>> THOUGHT IT WAS A DAY. AND THEN WHAT OTHER PROVISIONS WERE WE TALKING ABOUT, WE TALKE ABOUT INSURANCE, WE TALKED ABOU THE SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS, THAT JUSTIN'S REQUIREMENT, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THE 1,000 FEET? I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE

MAJOR PROVISIONS. >> AND THEN FINALLY THE REVOCATION FOR A SERIOUS INCIDENT.

ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE PROVISIONS? OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE GOOD TO CONSIDER THIS TOMORROW AS HIS SPIRIT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE WILL HAVE TO BE ANY AMENDMENTS SO ANY OTHER?

[3.D. Receive a presentation and update regarding amendments to the Code of Ordinances, Article IV "Regulation of Sex Offender Residency" Ordinance Chapter 34 by amending Section 34.71.]

>> THE PRECIPICE OF THIS ITEM I TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE REGARDING THE OFFENDER REGISTRY REQUIREMENTS AND.

TO CURRENT OR EVENTS IS WITHIN CHAPTER 34, MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES AND THE ORDINANCE IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY SAFETY CONCERNS, REDUCE REPEAT OFFENSES, DETER FUTURE CRIMES I THEN PROTECT THE WELFARE OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION WHIC IS OUR YOUTH. SOME OF THE KEY CHANGES WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS WIND LOCATED WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF RENTALS, I SHOULD BE LEGAL TO LEASE, SUBLEASE, A RESIDENCE PROPERTY OR STRUCTURE, HOMESTEAD, APARTMENTS, MANUFACTURED HOMES, AND TRAILERS. THE RECOMMENDATION OR WHAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD WAS TO AMEND TH ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THESE NEW CHANGES AND IT WOULD IMPACT ALL RENTAL PROPERTIES GREAT AS A CITY WE WOULD MODIFY OUR APPLICATION PROCESSES TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND MAKING SURE PROPERTY OWNERS ALS COMPLY WITH THESE NEW REQUIREMENTS.

THIS RECOMMENDATION WILL BE PRESENTED TOMORROW FOR YOUR ACTION AND SO AT THIS TIME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE ARE

PRESENT TO ANSWER THOSE. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> LIKE THE ORDINANCE. ONE JUST QUICK CLARIFICATION.

CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES? WHEN LOCATED, WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF RENTALS, IT SHALL BE ILLEGAL TO LEASE, SUBLEASE, OR EVENTS, WHEN LOCATED WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF RENTALS, WHEN WHAT IS LOCATED , THE OFFENDER?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. SO WHERE IS AIDEN WHEN THESEX

OFFENDER IS WITHIN 1,000. >> IT IS 1,000 FEET OF PLACE

WHERE CHILDREN COMMONLY GATHER. >> I THINK WE HAVE TO WORDSMITH

THIS A LITTLE BIT. >> IT'S WHERE CHILDREN COMMONLY

GATHER. >> IS MIKE ON? TAKE IT NO, I WAS USING HIS. I THINK IT'S THERE, IT'S JUST H JUST BULLETED THAT IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, IT TALKS ABOUT AND ENFORCES PROHIBITION THAT HAS CERTAIN WHERE CHILDREN COMMONLY GATHER, I ASSUME WE HAVE THAT ALL THAT COVERED, IS

THAT RATE? >> OKAY.

>> SO THIS TAKES 34 AND ANSELL WHOLE SEPARATE PARAGRAPH AND I

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WILL READ THAT PARAGRAPH. >> I LIKE THIS BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN'T COME USE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TO ACCESS CHILDREN.

IT'S GOOD HOW IT'S WORDED. >> IT'S UNLAWFUL TO SUBLET ANY PLACE, STRUCTURE, MANUFACTURED MANUFACTURED, HOMECOMING TRAILE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE USED AS A PERMANENT OR TERM TEMPORAR RESIDENCE PROHIBITED FROM HAVIN SUCH PURSUANT TO THE TERMS OF THIS CHAPTER IF THAT PLACE, STRUCTURE, PART OF, THEREOF, MANUFACTURED HOME, ET CETERA IS LOCATED WITHIN 1,000 FEET FROM PREMISE WHERE CHILDREN COMMONLY GATHER AS DEFINED AND 34 TEST 70

. >> SO IS THE BURDEN PUT ON THE ST ARE TO ACTUALLY DO A CHECK T SEE IF THEY ARE A REGISTERED SE

OFFENDER? >> YES.

QUICKLY, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU REMIND HOW LONG THEY HAVE ONE SEE LUKE RELOCATE TO NOTIFY THAT HE IS THERE?

DO YOU KNOW? >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I DON'T. I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR

LEGAL TEAM. >> I THINK IT'S 30 DAYS OR HE HAS TO REGISTER WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> A GUESS WE WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, IT IS 30 DAYS OF THE DATE OF IT THAT IS THE LOTS OF GREAT

AS THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO CONTACT. >> AND JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, WHEN IT SAYS THE PLACE WHERE CHILDREN COMMONLY PRIVATE OR PUBLIC SCHOOL, DAYCARE CENTER, OR ANY PUBLIC O NONPROFIT RECREATIONAL FACILITY CHILDREN'S ORIENTED EATING ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THAT IS ALL. SO IT PROVIDES SOME PRETTY GOOD

RESTRICTIONS. >> I HAVE OTHER SAFETIES THAT HAVE THIS TYPE OF ORDNANCE AND FREQUENTLY, THE PROPERTY OWNER ISN'T AWARE, AND WHEN THEY ARE MADE AWARE, WE GIVE THEM ANYWHERE FROM 30-45 DAYS TO GO THROUGH THE EVICTION PROCESS AN GET THE TEN MEN OUT. BEFORE WE CITE THEM FOR A

VIOLATION. >> IS THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, WHICH I THAT ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM LOOK

LIKE? >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, INSTEAD OF JUST WRITING THEM A VIOLATION BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY IN THERE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF STATE LAWS THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH REGARDING LANDLORD-TENANT LAW, WE GIVE THEM AT LEAST 30 DAYS AND USUALLY 45 DAYS TO COMPLY BEFORE WE CITE THEM FOR A VIOLATION.

>> SO THIS IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, FIGURED THIS MIGHT COME UP, THEY WOULD BE GONE WITHIN THEIR THREE DAYS.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE PUTTIN THESE LANDLORDS OR PROPERTY OWNERS ON NOTICE THAT WE EXPECT YOU TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT YOU DON'T PUT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT IN A SHORT-TERM RENTA AND GIVE THEM ACCESS TO CHILDREN .

>> THEM TOTALLY FOR HEAD, I APPRECIATE THAT A MERCURY IS HO WE IDENTIFY THAT THIS SITUATION IS OCCURRING IF THEY ARE RENTIN A HALF. THE ONUS IS ON THE LANDLORD TO IDENTIFY THAT PERSON IN THEIR REQUIRED AS PART OF THEIR RENTA APPLICATION TO LOOK AT THAT REGISTRY? IS THAT THE IDEA? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY BECOME

AN OFFENDER MID LEASE. >> WOULD FREQUENTLY HAPPEN IS THE PERSON MOVES TO THE SAFETY AND RENT A PROPERTY BEFORE HE COMPLETES HIS REGISTRATION SO EVEN IF THE LANDLORD LOOKS AT THAT TIME, HE IS NOT LISTED ON THE REGISTRY SO THEN WE BECOME AWARE BECAUSE WE ROUTINELY KNOW WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE IN W ROUTINELY SEE, HE IS NOW REGISTERED TO RESIDE HERE, THAT'S WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF A SCHOOL, ET CETERA.

SO WE WILL SEND THAT PROPERTY OWNER THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION.

AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID, IF IT'S A LONG TERM RENTAL, IN THAT CASE , WE GIVE HIM THOSE 30 DEATHS MY 45 DAYS STRAIGHT WE WOULDN'T DO THAT FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

>> THANK YOU, THAT HELPS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> AT THE PENALTY OF $500 IN TH OPENING SENTENCE, IS THAT STANDARD? SHOULD BE MORE?

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WILL MAKE IT IN THIS SITUATION? >> BY STATE LAW WE CAN GO UP TO $2,000 OF THIS COUNCIL MAKES A FINDING THAT IT IMPACTS PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. SO YOU COULD DO THAT.

>> I CAN'T IMAGINE. >> DID WE RESET THE FINES OR IT DOES THE JUDGE SAID WITH A FINE IS.

>> THE JUDGE SETS IT, WE CAN SE THE UP TOO.

>> I WOULD ARGUE WE WENT UP TO 2,000 OR TOO MUCH, I BELIEVE WE

COULD DO IF YOU'RE. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COUNCILMEMBER RAISING THAT TOO TO THOUSAND DOLLARS IF POSSIBLE.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TOO. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MAKE THAT AMENDMEN SO WE WILL CONSIDER THAT WITH TOMORROW'S AGENDA ITEM. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR THOUGHT

ON THIS ONE? >> YOU KNOW, WITH GOING WITH WHAT THE COUNCILMAN SAID AND WE PUT UP TO THOUSAND DOLLARS, THAT'S GIVING A STATEMENT THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS AND W EXPECT YOU TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR PART.

>> I CONCUR. I WRITE, I THINK WE ARE GOOD TO MOVE ON. MARVIN IS IN A MOOD TONIGHT.

[3.E. Receive a presentation regarding the process for the selection of a City Prosecutor.]

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE COULD RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE PROCESS FOR THE SELECTION OF A CITY PROSECUTOR MAKING THIS PRESENTATION IS OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

>> I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION WAS LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.

MAY OR, YOU AND I HAD A SHORT DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

WE HAD THIS REQUEST FOR A PERIO OF TIME AND WE ONLY GOT ONE SUBMITTAL AND REOPENED IT. WE WILL SEE IF WE GET MORE THAN ONE. RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE RESPONSIVE PARTY WHO HAS SUBMITTED AN INTEREST IN BEING OUR PROSECUTOR. THIS MAY BE A VERY SHORT GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, BUT THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE HAVE WHAT IS THE NAME O YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE.

TO INTERVIEW AND REVIEW THOSE FOLKS MAKE A DECISION AND BRING THAT WHEN I SAY MAKE A DECISION I MEAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL COUNCIL TO COME BACK AND SELECT AN INDIVIDUAL OR A

FIRM. >> AS LONG AS THAT IS COMFORTABLE FOR EVERYBODY WE WILL MAKE THAT ON MONDAY AND THEN SET UP A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF THAT GROUP AND PRESENT ALL OF THE RESPONSES WE HAVE RECEIVED.

>> ANY OBJECTIONS OBJECTION TO THAT COURSE OF ACTION?

>> IS THEIR SUCH SUBCOMMITTEE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PLACED?

>> IT IS A STANDING COMMITTEE. >> THAT'S ALL THE DIRECTION I NEEDED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE WILL KEEP THAT OPEN ANOTHER WEEK.

AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A MEETING OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AND MOVE AHEAD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROSECUTORIAL ITEM? AS A REMINDER, THIS WAS AN APPOINTMENT BY THE CITY COUNCIL. IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE F AS SOON AS I CAN FIND IT.

[3.F. Discuss a possible Charter Amendment Election for May 2027 and appointing members to the Charter Review Commission.]

THANK YOU, STACY. THIS IS TO CONSIDER APPOINTING CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, AND FROM THE PACKET, THE CHARTER REQUIRES SWEET APPOINT A CHARTE REVIEW COMMISSION EVERY FIVE YEARS IN WE ARE AT YEAR FOUR, S 2022, AROUND ABOUT AUGUST WAS THE LAST TIME COMMISSION WAS APPOINTED IN THAT COMMISSION THAT LIQUIDATION WAS HELD IN 2023 WITH THE MAY ELECTION. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CHARTER DOES NOT ALLOW A CHARTE ELECTION MORE THAN ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS, SO WE WERE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS AS WELL.

SO THIS DOES ALIGN WITH BOTH OF THOSE TIMELINE REQUIREMENTS OF

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IT STARTS OUT WITH SEVEN CITIZENS, SO WE WOULD APPOINT SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS AND SOME NUMBER OF ALTERNATES, AND THE PAST WE'VE DONE TOO SO YOU CAN ENSURE YOU HAVE A QUORUM AND HELPS TO HAVE THE OTHER TWO VOICES IN THE ROOM WHEN YOU ARE SENDING OUT SUBCOMMITTEES TO DO INDIVIDUAL REVIEWS.

THE COUNCIL IN THIS CASE WOULD SET THE FLOOR OF THE REVIEW MEETING WE SET THE INITIAL SCOP AND THE COMMISSION HAS THE WHEREWITHAL TO GO OUT ON THEIR OWN AND DETERMINE ANY OTHER AREAS THEY MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER AS WELL.

THE COMMISSION WOULD EVALUATE WHETHER ANY EMBEDDED AMENDMENTS OR REVISIONS ARE WARRANTED. THERE IS A PUBLIC PROCESS THROUGH WHICH WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THE COMMISSION CAN ALSO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEY CAN DO FACT-FINDING ON THEIR OWN AND THEY DO THAT WITH NO REGARD TO ANY FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THE CITIES OF THE JOB IS REALLY TO TAKE AN UNBIASED LOOK AND REVIE WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS IN IT AND WHAT IT REQUIRES AND MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE COUNCIL. THEY HAVE A 12 MONTH SHOP CLOCK SO THEY HAVE A LIMITED TIME ON HOW MUCH THEY CAN BE ACTIVE.

ON THOSE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD GO BACK T THE COUNCIL AND BECOME A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

WE WOULD ULTIMATELY AT THAT POINT DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO HOLD A CHARTER ELECTION BASED O THE RECOMMEDATIONS.

SHOULD WE APPOINT REVIEW COMMISSION, WE WOULD DISCUSS AN RECEIVE COMMISSION AT THE AUGUS ESTABLISH SOME APPOINT MEMBERS TO THAT COMMISSION. I KNOW I HAD PREVIOUSLY ASKED FOR THAT TO BE AUGUST 4TH, PUT FELT LIKE THAT WAS TO RUSH SOIL EXTENDED THAT TO THE 18TH. FROM SEPTEMBER THROUGH DECEMBER OF THAT COMMISSION WOULD BE TES WITH GOING OUT AND DOING THE WORK. WE WOULD ASSIGN THEM A SCOPE, THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO REVIEW THE ENTIRE CHARTER OR PARTS OF THE CHARTER AS LONG AS THEY GIVE DUE CONSIDERATION TO THAT SCOPE. IN EARLY 2027 WE WOULD UNDERGO LEGAL REVIEW AND ANY VALID DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE ON WHAT THOSE PROVISIONS WOULD LOOK LIK AND WE COULD CONSIDER CALLING A ELECTION IN MAY OF 2027 PER JUS BECAUSE WE CALL A CHARTER REVIE COMMISSION JUST NOT MEAN WE HAV TO CALL AN ELECTION.

IT IS STILL OPTIONAL. WE CAN DISREGARD THE SHOULD WE CHOOSE THE GOVERNING BODY OF TH CITY IS THE LAST BASTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE ELECTION ACTUALLY GETS CALLED AND WE DETERMINE WHETHER ANY AMENDMENT AT ALL AS ON THE WII LIKE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS AND DON'T LIKE THE REST ROOF WE FIND THEIR SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER THEM WANT TO, WE CAN ADD THAT I AFTER-THE-FACT. SO SOME OF THE ITEMS OF SCOPE I THOUGHT MIGHT BE VALUABLE FOR U TO CONSIDER AND CERTAINLY WE CA LOOK AT SOME OF THESE, NONE OF THESE, ALL OF THESE, THERE IS ONE SECTION WHERE PUBLIC COMMEN IS ADDRESSED AND THESE ARE A LITTLE MORE SPELLED OUT IN THE PACKET SO IF YOU WANT THE SECTIONS OF THE LANGUAGE IN THERE, THERE IS ONE SECTION WHERE IT HAS SIMPSON INPUT AND IT SAYS CITIZENS MAY ADDRESS TH COUNCIL. AND MUCH PREFER THE TERM MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ADVENT JEWELS THAT AR NOT QUOTE UNQUOTE CITIZENS. I DON'T LIKE HAVING THAT RESTRICTION WITHIN THE CHARTER BECAUSE THAT IS OUR FORM OF CONSTITUTION IN IT REALLY DOESN'T BODE WELL TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT HAS RESTRICTIONS ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT. BONDING REQUIREMENTS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CITY ATTORNE AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER BROUGH TO OUR ATTENTION. THIS WOULD BE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND EVALUATE WHETHER MODERATE INSURANCE COVERAGE SATISFIES THAT FUNDING REQUIREMENT.

THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL ITE WE COULD CONSIDER.

I BELIEVE COUNCIL RESIGNATIONS OR SOMETHING NOT WELD CALLED OU IN THE CHARTER. IN THE PAST WE HAVE HAD HAD FOLKS WHO STEPPED BACK FROM THE COUNCIL FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER AND I CAN THINK OF THE FORMER MAYOR, SHE MOVED TO ANOTHER STATE FOR EXAMPLE SO SH LOST HER RESIDENCY IN THIS IF H IN THE CHARTER SAYS IF YOU LOSE YOUR RESIDENCY YOU'RE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE TO SERVE. TECHNICALLY SHE SHOULD'VE BEEN REMOVED FOR THE COUNCIL BY COUNCIL ACTION AT THAT TIME AND NEVER WAS. WHETHER THAT'S A REQUIREMENT AN NOT THAT WOULD BE A LEGAL CONSIDERATION, BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED. SHE JUST STOPPED SERVING ON THE COUNCIL IN THE MAYOR PRO TEM STOPPED IN AND SERVE.

I THINK HAVING AN OPTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER TO IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE. THEY COULD CHANGE WITH ANY ONE OF US AT ANY MOMENT AND HAVING AN OFFRAMP IS A FAR BETTER OPTION THAN ASKING THE REMAININ SIX COUNCILMEMBERS HERE TO SAY NO, THE ONLY OPTION IS FOR YOU TO QUICKLY OFF AFTER I MISSED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MEETINGS. THERE IS A SECTION OF THE

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REALLY THIS IS JUST TO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A CONVICTED CRIMINAL AND RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL.

THAT'S JEFF'S PERSONAL OPINION. YOU MAY BE OKAY WITH THAT, I'M NOT TO THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUREMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN THERE IN WHICH THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ELIGIBLE AGAIN IF THEY WERE PARDONED OR IF THEY WERE TO WIN AN APPEAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY ONLY A HANDFUL OF REQUIREMENTS OF ANY SORT OF BACKGROUND CHECKED IS NOT ONE O THEM. THE SECOND BOX TO THE RIGHT IS THE CITY MANAGER ATTENDANCE RAT CURRENTLY THE LANGUAGE IN THEIR PROVIDES THE CITY MANAGER SHOUL ATTEND ALL MEETINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THERE ARE TIMES WHEN TH COUNCIL MAY WISH TO EXCUSE THE CITY MANAGER IN I THINK IN DOIN SO WOULD BE JUSTIFIED TO DO SO. THINK ALLOWING THAT OPTION RATHER THAN COMPELLING FOR CITY MANAGER TO ATTEND WOULD BE A WISE CHANGE TO CONSIDER. COUNCIL REPRESENTATION.

I THREW THIS IN THERE BECAUSE I TENDS TO COME UP EVERY CHARTER REVIEW AND I THINK IT'S ALWAYS WORTH LOOKING AT.

WE KNOW OTHER CITIES AND HOW THEIR DISTRICTS WORK.

GARLAND IN PARTICULAR HAS DISTRICTS FOR EVERY SINGLE COUNCILMEMBER THEY HAVE THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT YOU COULD DO SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS ACROSS THE CITY, YOU CAN KEEP EVERYONE AT LARGE OR D SOMETHING WHERE YOU HAVE MAYBE FOUR QUADRANTS OF THE CITY INTO AT-LARGE MEMBERS PLUS THE MAYOR.

THAT WOULD NECESSITATE A CONVERSATION CONVERSATIONAL WHA THAT TRANSITION LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MEMBERS HERE WHO WOULD BE CONFLICTED IN TERMS OF WHERE WE LIVE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOM SORT OF TRANSITION PLAN AND ALS ESTABLISH HOW DISTRICTS ARE ESTABLISHED AS WELL.

THERE IS A LOT TO CONSIDER THEI IF THAT IS WHEN WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT CONSIDERING. LAST AUTUMN IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS CONSIDERING A RESTRICTION ON CITY EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS, IF YOU ARE ASKED TO CONTRACT WITH THE SAFETY OR IF YOU'RE ASKED T BE AN EMPLOYEE WITH THE CITY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MONTHS AFTER SERVING ON THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT WOULD RESTRICT YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ALSO A WISE DECISION. SERVING ON CITY COUNCIL IS A PRIVILEGE AND HONOR, BUT IF YOU ARE ASKED INTO IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY AS A BUSINESS OWNER COME IN AND WORK FOR THE CITY, YOU KIND OF HAVE LEG UP ON ANYBODY ELSE AND YOU ALREADY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH FOLKS.

I THINK IT INTRODUCES A CONFLIC OF INTEREST THAT MAY NOT BE AS EQUITABLE AS WE PREFER. AT THE BOTTOM WE ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK FOR ERRORS, THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT IS REQUIRED TO GIVE TO VOTERS, BUT IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WAN TO GO TO VOTERS WE CAN CALL THOSE OUT AND IDENTIFY THOSE SEPARATELY. ANY OBSOLETE REFERENCES, REFERENCES TO STATE LAWS NO LONGER RELEVANT, THOSE THINGS COME ACROSS FROM TIME TO TIME. OF COURSE WE WOULD AS THE COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

WE WANT THE CHARTER TO BE TIDY AND NEAT, IT REQUIRES A KEEN EY TO DO THAT. THE PROCESS ESSENTIALLY OF ALREADY COVERED THIS WOULD BE THE COMMISSION WOULD REVIEW THE CHARTER AND COULD BE GO BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE RECOMMEND.

THEY COUNCIL IN THE ATTORNEY WOULD REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IN THEY WOULD LOOK A THE LINGLE LANGUAGE, THEY WOULD LOOK AT WHAT NEEDS TO BE ISOLATED OUT WITH SINGLE SUBJEC PROPOSITIONS, AND THEN BUILD LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT AND CALL AN ELECTION BASED ON THOSE ITEMS. ONLY THOSE PROPOSITIONS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GO TO THE VOTERS TO BE CONSIDERED. AGAIN, WE RETAIN THE FINAL DISCRETION ON WHAT GOES ON THE BALLOT.

LASTLY, WE WOULD HAVE TO AGAIN CALL AN ELECTION AND THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH DALLAS AND ROCKWELL COUNTY.

CURRENTLY THERE IS NO MAY 2027 ELECTION SCHEDULED.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS IT WOULD BE A FINANCIA ASKED TO GOING ALONG WITH THIS. COLIN ELECTION FOR JUST DALLAS COUNTY IS AROUND 90TH THOUSAND DOLLARS SO IT'S NOT EVERY EXERCISE TO DO THIS. OF COMMISSION CAN BE CONVENED WITH OUT COUNSEL CALLING AND ELECTION.

I WOULD HAVE TO LOOKED AT THE VICTORIA TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS A SHOT CLOCK ON CALLING AND ELECTION.

IT MIGHT VERY WELL BE THAT WE CONVENE A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND ASK THEM TO WORK FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME THINK

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CERTAINLY A FEW THAT WE'VE MENTIONED WITH RESPECT TO THE BONDING ISSUE AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE MAY ALREADY NOT BE COMPLIANT IN, I THINK THAT WOUL GARNER A MORE IMMEDIATE SOLUTION , HOWEVER $90,000 IS $90,000 AND I WROTE RESPECT THAT . WE WOULD NEED PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT FOR OUR LEGAL REVIEW, PUBLICATION OF THE ITEM THROUGH OUR CITY SECRETARY -SIZED OFFIC AND OF COURSE WE WOULD WANT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. IT WOULD BE MEMBERSHIP MADE UP OF OUR COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERING T SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY.

MEMBERSHIP ON THE CHARTER COMMISSION GENERALLY DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU'RE ONLY PART OF COMMISSION YOU SERVE ON.

IT MEANS YOUR YOU CAN SERVE ON MORE THAN ONE.

AND THAT IS ABOUT ALL I THINK. I'M GOING TO COME SIT DOWN AND WE CAN GO THROUGH A DISCUSSION. REALLY THAT'S THE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION WHICH IS NUMBER ONE, TWO WE WANT TO FORM A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION NUMBER TWO WHAT IS THE MINIMUM SCOPE OF TH REVIEW SO WE CAN GET THAT INTO RESOLUTION FOR THE AUGUST 18TH MEETING AND THEN WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER WHO WOULD BE POINTING TO THAT COMMISSION. AND HAVE A FEW NAMES WRITTEN

DOWN AS WELL SOMEWHERE. >> DID YOU SAY THEY COULD SERVE ON ANOTHER BOARD AND ON THE CHARTER.

>> YES. >> I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE ONE OF YOUR LAST COMMENTS THERE. I THINK IT WARRANTS A REVIEW, BUT IF WE CAN BANK ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SAVE WILL NOT SAVE, BUT AT LEAST NOT HAVE TO SPEND ANOTHER $90,000 FOR A MAY 27 ELECTION, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE TO GET ALL OF THI DONE AND THEN JUST KIND OF PUT IT ON HOLD UNTIL WE HAVE THE

NEXT ELECTION IN MAY OF 28. >> IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO WAIT TO FORM A COMMISSION. WE HAVE TO FORM ONE BY AUGUST 2027 SO WE COULD WAIT UNTIL APPROXIMATELY A YEAR BEFORE THAT ELECTION IN THEN TH 12 MONTH TIMELINE WOULD RUN EFFECTIVELY TO THE NEXT ELECTION .

>> THAT WAY, IF WE DELAYED ITS, A LOT OF IT WOULD STILL BE FRES WITH THE COMMISSION THAT WENT THROUGH THE WORK.

>> I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT TOO BECAUSE BETWEEN THAT TIME, THEY'VE HAD TO COME BACK AND PROBABLY REVAMPED AND LOOK AT THEIR ITEMS AND WHAT DRAKE CAME UP WITH AND SAID YOU KNOW WHAT, HERE IS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T THINK OF AND THEY WILL COME BAC AGAIN SO I WOULD WISH THAT WE HAD JUST PUSHED IT BACK UNTIL W

GET CLOSER TO THE TIME. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YES YOU CAN BANK IT IF THEY DID CREATE AND ESTABLISH THE COMMISSION NOW, THEY COULD DO THE WORK AND THEN YOU CAN PUT I ASIDE AND REVIEW IT AGAIN, MAKE SURE IT IS STILL RELEVANT AND DOESN'T NEED ANY UPDATING, OR, AS YOU'RE DISCUSSING, YOU CAN JUST PUSHING OFF AND PUSH THE POINT.

>> LIKE COUNCILMAN GIBBS IDEA A LITTLE BETTER, BUT WE HAVE UNTI AUGUST OF 27. UNSAVORY STANDARD OF IN JULY OF

27 AND GO FROM THERE. >> I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH EITHER OF YOU, I JUST THINK OF WHAT WE'RE KIND OF OVERLOADING THE BALLOT IN 2028. EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON TYPICALLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME THERE MAY HAVE TO GET A RESIDENCE TO ALSO VOTE ON OUR CHARTER, SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANT TO THINK ABOUT. I'M NOT SAYING A DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MOVE IT BECAUSE I WOULD AGREE.

VOTING FATIGUE AND TRYING TO GE PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR A PROPOSITIO CAN BE DIFFICULT AT TIMES. PICKY I'M NOT GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THAT TO SOME DEGREE. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE MORE ON THE BALLOT, YOU MIGHT DRAW OUT MORE PEOPLE.

IF IT'S JUST THREE COUNCILMEMBERS, THREE ON 28TH, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OU THERE FOR THE CHARTER, IT MAY

DRAW MORE PEOPLE. >> WE DID IT IN 27 AND WE SPENT THE MONEY THAT'S ALL IT'S GOING TO BE ON THERE SO VOTER TURNOUT

IS GOING TO BE VERY LOW. >> ARE WE ASSUMING THERE WILL B

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>> YES, AND I'M NOT PROPOSING A BOND ELECTION, I'M JUST MAKING POINT THAT IF WE HAD A BOND ELECTION, COULD WE ATTACHMENT T

IT? >> IF THERE WAS ALREADY UPON SCHEDULE, YES WE COULD. THAT'S BEEN THE CITY'S HISTORICAL PRECEDENTS PRECEDENT IS THAT IN 2021, WE HAD A BOND ELECTION, WE ALSO HAD A CRIMINA CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

AND THEN IN 2023, KIND OF JUMPE THE GUN A LITTLE BIT AND CALLED ANOTHER ONE. HISTORICALLY THAT IS HOW IT'S BEEN IS WHEN WE FED A BOND ELECTION IN 2021, 15, 18, 21, 2 IN THEORY THE NEXT CYCE WILL BE 24.

HEARING CHARTER AMENDMENTS WITH THAT DOES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

KEY IS THERE A TIMELINE OF WHEN WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BOND ELECTION?

>> ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO PER. >> I WILL SAY WE HAVE NOT STOOD UP TO CT IPF. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

>> I KIND OF LEANED TOWARDS COUNCILMEMBER GIBBS' PULLS THIS OFF AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE LOT ON OUR PLATES NOW.

WE HAVE SOME PRETTY BIG STEPS T MAKE AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER THING PACKED ON. EVERY WEEK IT'S MORE, AND I'M NOT COMPLAINING, HOWEVER I JUST THINK THIS IS ONE MORE THING IF

RECOMMEND TO. >> WITH THAT IN MIND, I WOULD SAY FOR I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS BACK? MY RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 2027 ONL BECAUSE THEN THAT SETS US UP ON THAT ONE YEAR, THEY GET TO WORK FOR ABOUT A YEAR GIVE OR TAKE, AND THEN WE WOULD BE CALLING TH ELECTION IN JANUARY OF 2028 SO THEY WOULD HAVE A FULL YEAR TO WORK VERSUS TRYING TO CONDENSE IT DOWN INTO IF WE DID IT LATE JULY FOR INSTANCE, THE CONSENSU IT DOWN TO LIKE SIX MONTHS. IF WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO THES ARE MORE IF I GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS PER MONTH.

JANUARY 27. I WILL BRING IT MAKE A NOTE TO BRING THIS BACK TO MEETING. IN THE MEANTIME I WOULD ASK THA YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT OPTIONS FO SCOPE.

AND NO THAT'S A LONG WAY AWAY AND THAT'S HARD TO THINK SIX MONTHS, BUT BE THINKING ABOUT THAT, GIVE OUR CHARTER A GOOD THOROUGH REVIEW AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THIS. ALSO THINK ABOUT WHO YOU MIGHT LIKE TO SERVE. I HAVE A COUPLE OF NAMES, I'VE ASKED A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IF THE MIGHT BE INTERESTED, SO GOOD, I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT. BE THINKING ABOUT WHO THOSE INDIVIDUALS MIGHT BE IN THEN BECOME BACK IN JANUARY AND WE WILL HAVE THAT. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE CRC?

>> I HAVE ONE. JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT IN TUNE TO THAT PART, WHAT EVER HAPPENED T THE POTENTIL CHANGE IN THE ELECTIONS BEING MOVED TO NOVEMBER? I THOUGHT THAT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WAS TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.

>> DID THAT EVER GET ANY TEETH BEHIND IT?

>> IT'S DEFINITELY OFF OF THE AGENDA.

THINK I'M TALKING ABOUT ELECTIO TIMELINE.

I'M ONLY SAYING BECAUSE YOU SAY WE HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR.

IF THE ELECTION IS BEING MOVED TO NOVEMBER NOW, THAT IS MY

QUESTION. >> WE COULD PAIR UP WITH THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, THAT WOULD B AN OPTION.

>> I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, I'M JUST ONLY THING I HEARD THAT THERE WAS SUCH A THING THAT WOULD BE CHANGING ALL THE

ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER. >> THAT WAS A STATE INITIATIVE.

BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IT'LL UNDOUBTEDLY BE BACK BEFOR THE LEGISLATURE THIS COMING CYCLE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THREE F? ALL RIGHTS, WITH THAT, LET ME G

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[4. Executive Session (Part 2 of 2)]

[5. Reconvene Into Open Session and Take Any Necessary or Appropriate Action on Closed/Executive Session Matters (Part 2 of 2)]