Aug 31, 2026 City Council Work Session

STARTING THIS PROCESS OVER THE RIGHT WAY WITH YOUR.

[* This meeting has been joined in progress *]

[3.A. Conduct interviews and discuss appointments to the 75th Anniversary Task Force Ad Hoc Committee.]

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SO IF I MEAN, IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, LATER ON.

SO THAT'S JUST PRETTY MUCH ME. THANK YOU MICHELLE.

MICHAEL GALLOPS AND AFTER MR. GALLOPS WILL BE STEVEN PRUITT JR.

ALL RIGHT GOOD EVENING. MICHAEL GALLOPS LIVE HERE IN ROWLETT. LIVED HERE IN ROWLETT FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS.

A LITTLE OVER 22 YEARS ACTUALLY AND ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS CITY.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS MY WIFE AND I DID WHEN WE JOINED, WHEN WE MOVED TO ROWLETT WAS JOINED THE ROWLEY HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WHICH ISN'T AROUND ANYMORE. WHEN I WAS HERE RUNNING THE CHAMBER, WHICH MOST OF YOU KNOW, I RAN THE CHAMBER FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS.

I TRIED TO RESTART THE. THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THAT.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THROUGH THE YEARS.

I'VE READ THAT ROWLETT HISTORY BOOK COVER TO COVER.

I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THROUGH THE YEARS RESEARCHING ROWLETT, UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORY OF ROWLETT.

AND IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET TO THIS LITTLE BLUE HOUSE ON THE CORNER. YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF HISTORY RIGHT THERE, MEMORIALIZED FOREVER. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

LIVE HERE, OWN A BUSINESS HERE, HAVE OWNED OTHER BUSINESSES HERE, HAVE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CITY JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER THE YEARS.

AND WE JUST LOVE TO BE A PART OF THIS AND CELEBRATE ROWLETT.

AND AT ONE POINT, YOU SAT ON THIS SIDE OF THE DAIS, TOO. SO ALL RIGHT, STEVEN PRUITT JUNIOR, FOLLOWED BY BECKY SEBASTIAN. STEVEN PRUITT. ROWLETT.

OH, WOW. I DIDN'T I WAS EXPECTING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO, I GUESS, KIND OF JUST GO WITH IT. SO I GUESS TO TALK ABOUT WHY I WANT TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE.

I'M JUST PASSIONATE ABOUT HISTORY TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND.

SO WE MOVED TO ROWLETT IN 1993 WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, AND THEN I LEFT IN 99 WHEN I JOINED THE MILITARY.

SO I THINK THAT GIVES ME A VERY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE OVER THAT TIME, SINCE 1999, I ONLY GOT TO COME BACK EVERY SO OFTEN.

AND EVERY TIME I CAME BACK, ROWLETT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO I SAW ROWLETT HIGH SCHOOL GET BUILT. I SAW THE FIRST WALMART COME IN.

I SAW ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS OVER THE YEARS SINCE 1993.

AND I CALLED ROWLETT HOME. AND I'M JUST AND I ALSO HAVE A PASSION FOR HISTORY.

SO MUCH SO THAT YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW THAT I'M AN EIGHTH GRADE HISTORY TEACHER AT BRANDENBURG MIDDLE SCHOOL.

SO I HAVE A PASSION FOR HISTORY. AND THAT'S HISTORY IS, I THINK IS VERY UNIQUE COMPARED TO SOME OF THE AREAS AROUND IT.

SO I JUST HAVE A PASSION FOR HISTORY. I HAVE A PASSION FOR ROWLETT.

I STUDY HISTORY, I'M STILL, I HAVEN'T READ THAT BOOK MY FIRST TIME HEARING ABOUT THAT ROWLETT HISTORY BOOK.

I'M GOING TO FIND THAT QUICKLY AND GET THAT READ.

BUT I JUST WANT TO HAVE A, WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE, I JUST WANTED A CHANCE TO TELL A STORY.

ROWLETT DIVERSE HISTORY. THERE'S A LOT OF DIVERSITY THAT'S INVOLVED IN ROWLETT HISTORY AND THERE'S DIVERSE WAYS THAT WE CAN TELL THAT STORY.

AND I THINK I CAN BE HELPFUL IN MAKING A LOT OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPEN.

I HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS, AND IF I CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE, I JUST WANT TO BE A PART OF JUST PUBLICIZING AND MAYBE USING A LITTLE BIT OF MY FORMAL EDUCATION SKILLS TO KIND OF BRING THAT PERSPECTIVE TO HOW WE CELEBRATE ROWLETT'S 75TH ANNIVERSARY.

THANK YOU, MR. PRUITT. LET ME TELL YOU, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO CALL YOU BY YOUR FIRST NAME, TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AS MR. PRUITT. SO. ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS BECKY SEBASTIAN, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE BETSY CHAPMAN WHITE.

BECKY, FEEL FREE TO PULL THAT MIC DOWN THERE.

I'D RATHER NOT. I'M BECKY SEBASTIAN. I'VE LIVED HERE 40/44 YEARS.

I WAS ON THE I WAS ROWLETT LAKESHORE TIMES. I WAS THE EDITOR, PHOTOGRAPHER, REPORTER, YOU NAME IT.

I GOT THE JOB. I LOVE MY CITY. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CHAMBER.

I WAS PART OF THE FIRST FESTIVAL OF FREEDOM. I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN TO STAY INVOLVED.

I COVERED OUR HISTORY, I COVERED ROWLETT HIGH SCHOOL, AND THE FUN PART WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR CITY THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. TAUGHT ME WHEN I WAS AT RICHARDSON ELEMENTARY, AND NOW SHE WAS OVER HERE TEACHING.

VERNON SCHRADER AND I HAD THE SAME TEACHER. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST AN INTERESTING, FASCINATING POINT THAT WE NEVER KNEW IT TILL I WAS DOING INTERVIEWS WITH HIM.

AND I'D LOVE TO SERVE. I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THE HISTORY OF IT.

I HAVE MORE THAN I NEED TO SHARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BECKY.

BECKY DID ALSO SIT ON THE SIDE OF THE DYESS. ALL RIGHT.

BETSY CHAPMAN WHITE, FOLLOWED BY ZOYA TANVIR.

GOOD EVENING. WHILE I DON'T HAVE DANIEL'S YOUTH AND SOMETIMES HIS VIGOR.

I DO HAVE A LOT OF TIME HERE IN ROWLETT. WE MOVED HERE IN 1998.

SO PRE WALMARTS I HAVE THREE KIDS, THREE ADULT KIDS THAT WE RAISED HERE AND ONE MAGNIFICENT GRANDBABY.

LIKE SHE'S THE WORLD'S GREATEST HUMAN EVER BORN, EVER, EVER BORN.

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AND A LOT OF Y'ALL KNOW ME REALLY FROM STARTING TO COME AND GET INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY AFFAIRS IN 2021.

BUT MY TIME IN, IN 501 AND VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS STARTED IN 1998.

WHEN WE MOVED HERE, WE WERE EXPECTING AND WE GOT INVOLVED IN THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCHES MOTHER'S DAY OUT PROGRAM, AND I SERVED IN THAT FOR FIVE YEARS. I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE NORTH TEXAS MOTHERS OF TWINS CLUB BECAUSE I HAVE TWINS, AND I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT FOR SIX YEARS. AND I WAS ON ACTUALLY ON THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE FOR FOUR YEARS OF THAT.

I'M HEAVILY INVOLVED IN HISTORY AND I LOVE TEXAS HISTORY, BUT I HAVE A DEEP PASSION FOR LOCAL HISTORY.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE EAST TEXAS HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION SINCE HIGH SCHOOL AND ATTEND JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR THEIR ANNUAL SEMINAR.

AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TEXAS STATE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION AND SIT ON THE MEMBERSHIP COMMITTEE FOR THEM AS WELL.

MY KIDS ALL WENT TO SACRED HEART AND DID FOUR YEARS THERE, AND THAT'S WHERE I MET TREY BOWERS AND JADE AND HIS BEAUTIFUL MOTHER, MY DEAR FRIEND RITA. THEN WE GOT INVOLVED IN PEARSON AND I WAS INVOLVED IN THE PTA AND I WAS THE ROOM MOM FOR MY KIDS.

IT WAS REALLY KIND OF GLORIFIED. I LIKE PUT CAPS ON MARKERS AND SCREWED ON, YOU KNOW, LIDS TO GLUE BOTTLES AND PUT CRAYONS BACK IN BOXES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT AND THEN MY HUSBAND, WHEN MY KIDS STARTED ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, GOT INVOLVED IN CUB SCOUTS AND HE TOOK THE FLEDGLING CUB SCOUT PACK THAT MET AT PEARSON ELEMENTARY IN THE LUNCHROOM. AND I NEGOTIATED WITH G. ISD AND THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA TO CONTINUE THE USE OF THE PEARSON ELEMENTARY LUNCHROOM THAT THEN MY KIDS WENT TO PACK.

244 AND THEY SAID, NO MORE. YOU CAN'T MEET HERE ANYMORE.

SO NOW FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, I HAD A HOUSE FULL OF CUB SCOUTS AND BOY SCOUTS EVERY SUNDAY DOING CRAFTS AND WORKING ON MERIT BADGES.

MY DAUGHTER ALSO DID GIRL SCOUTS UNTIL SHE DECIDED SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DO COOKIES AND CRAFTS ANYMORE.

AND THEN SHE JOINED VENTURE CREW. AND RICHARD WAS REALLY INTEGRAL IN A PART OF THAT AS WELL.

MY KIDS PLAYED T-BALL BASEBALL. CAROLINE PLAYED FAST PITCH SOFTBALL.

ALL MY KIDS DID REALLY YOUTH ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION.

SHE DID PEEWEE CHEER. AND AT SOME POINT IN ALL OF THAT, I WENT TO THE POLICE ACADEMY.

I'M A FORMER POLICE OFFICER OF OVER A DECADE, AND I WORKED AT THE SUPER BOWL SECURITY WHEN IT WAS HERE.

I WAS A BAND MOM IN JUNIOR HIGH, AND THEN IN HIGH SCHOOL, I WAS ALSO AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BAND BOOSTER.

I DROVE THE BIG TRUCK. MOST PEOPLE WERE NOT USED TO SEEING A MOM OR A WOMAN GET OUT OF THAT BIG OLD TRUCK THAT DROVE ALL THE PERCUSSION EQUIPMENT AND BACKED IT IN AND WENT EVERYWHERE. I THINK FOR FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT, I DON'T MISS.

I DID NOT MISS A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME, WHETHER IT WAS HOME OR AWAY.

I'VE BEEN ON THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD FOR FOUR YEARS, AND THAT IS HUGELY IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND I'M ALSO ON THE ARBOR DAY COMMITTEE. I'M A BIG TREE LOVER, BUT I HAVE A DEEP LOVE, LIKE I SAID, FOR LOCAL HISTORY. AND I THINK I MEAN, MY MOTHER DID TOO.

AND WHAT SHE INSTILLED IN ME IS KNOWING WHERE YOU COME FROM, HOW YOU GOT TO WHERE YOU ARE NOW IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF HELPING YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT KIDS AND YOUNG ADULTS HAVE HISTORY THAT THEY CAN TOUCH AND FEEL.

THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN TAKING KIDS TO SOME KIND OF CELEBRATION OR EVENT, AND THEY CAN'T RUN AROUND AND THEY CAN'T TOUCH AND FEEL THINGS.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH OUR CITY, AND I THINK THINGS ARE REALLY TURNING AROUND WITH THIS CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK TRANSPARENCY IS IS EXCELLENT NOW, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CELEBRATE AND ALL GET BEHIND AND, AND GET COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND BUILD ENTHUSIASM FOR WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

I THINK WORKING WITH THE TEXAS STATE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ON THE MEMBERSHIP COMMITTEE WILL HELP ME IN, IN, IN BEING ABLE TO HAVE INPUT WITH THE 75TH ANNUAL COMMITTEE AND ALSO JUST KNOWING THE HISTORY OF THINGS LIKE THE RAILWAY LINE. AND WHEN THEY CAME HERE AND ABOUT THE INTERURBAN AND WHY IT STALLED OUT ABOUT LAKE RAY HUBBARD, ABOUT THE 1922 BRIDGES AND THE BANKHEAD HIGHWAY AND HOW HUGE THAT WAS.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NOT YET. OH, WAIT.

THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE. YOU NEED TO SAVE ALL THAT HISTORY FOR WHEN WE FORM UP THE COMMITTEE. DON'T WORRY. THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF TIME FOR THAT CONVERSATION. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ZOYA TANVEER. NEXT SPEAKER, OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS ZOYA TANVEER, FOLLOWED BY LONNIE BLADES.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ALL THAT HISTORY, HE HAS TO SHUT ME UP ALL DAY.

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WE MOVED FROM NEW YORK, SO THIS IS OUR HOME IN TEXAS.

AND WHEN I SAW THE OPPORTUNITY, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? I SHOULD BE PART OF IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER HERE FOR MUSLIMS. AND I WAS LIKE, WE NEED TO GET THEM INVOLVED MORE.

SO IF THEY HAVE SOMEONE REPRESENTING THEM IN THE COMMITTEE, IT WILL BE A GREAT IDEA.

SO MORE PEOPLE GET INVOLVED. BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED WHENEVER THERE'S EVENTS IN THE THE CITY, I DON'T SEE MORE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY GETTING INVOLVED.

SO MAYBE ME BEING IN THE COMMUNITY WILL GET THEM INVOLVED.

I'M A VICE PRESIDENT OF MY HOA AND I ALSO WAS AT KEELEY PTA.

I DID FUNDRAISING AND WHAT ELSE I DID. I WAS A PTA VICE PRESIDENT UP THERE TOO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE HAVE LONNIE BLADES. AND AFTER MR. BLADES WILL BE ANGELA TAGLIAFERRO. I THINK I GOT THAT RIGHT.

HI, I'M LONNIE BLADES. WE LIVE IN BEL AIR. I AM, AT HEART, A POLICY WONK, BUT EVERYWHERE I'VE EVER BEEN, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY FASCINATED AND VERY INVOLVED IN THE SOFT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS.

I'M ON THE PNC COMMITTEE A COMMISSIONER. THAT'S THE POLICY SIDE.

ON THE SOFT SIDE. WHEN I WAS AT DART, I ORGANIZED PROBABLY EVERY EVENT WE EVER DID BECAUSE I WAS A BIG BELIEVER IN GETTING AS MUCH FREE PUBLICITY AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. WHEN I WAS AT TRINITY RAILWAY EXPRESS, WE DID A LOT OF FREE THINGS.

I ORGANIZED ALL OF OUR BIG CELEBRATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE 20, THE 15TH ANNIVERSARY OF TREE.

WE HAD A REPLICA OF THE GOLDEN SPIKE CEREMONY AT CENTREPORT, WHERE I HAD PEOPLE FROM FORT WORTH AND DALLAS COME WITH THE TWO TRAINS.

I AM A HISTORY MAJOR ALSO, SO I LOVE HISTORY.

I FIRST LOOKED INTO THE HISTORY OF ROWLETT WHEN I BOUGHT THE RAIL MKT FOR DART.

I HAD NEVER BEEN TO ROWLETT BEFORE AND CAME OUT HERE AND TRIED TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHY IS MKT HERE? WHAT ARE THEY DOING? WHAT ARE THEY HISTORICALLY HAUL.

I ALSO HAD AN INTEREST IN THE THE MKT PARK, WHICH WAS OF COURSE OWNED BY MKT ORIGINALLY.

THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS LOOKING AT THE PLAQUE OUT FRONT.

WHEN I FIRST DID THE RESEARCH ON ROWLETT, WHEN I WAS BUYING THE RAIL LINE, I WAS FASCINATED BY RAIL THAT WAS INCORPORATED IN 1952.

I AM THREE WEEKS OLDER THAN ROWLETTE. I WAS BORN IN AUGUST OF 1952 AND THE INCORPORATION WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 52.

SO AND THE OTHER LITTLE TIDBIT IS I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THERE'S THREE THINGS, IMPORTANT THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

IN 1952. I WAS BORN WHERE ALL THAT WAS INCORPORATED, AND BIG TEX WAS BORN IN STATE FAIR.

THANKS A LOT. THANK YOU. LONNIE. ALL RIGHT. ANDREA OR ANDREA? I DON'T THINK SHE IS HERE. AND CHANCE IS ANOTHER ONE OF OUR APPLICANTS.

CHANCE JOB. AND HE IS ALSO NOT HERE. BOTH OF THEM DID RESPOND THAT THEY HAD A CONFLICTING APPOINTMENT.

NEXT IS ALYSSA DE QUANT. AND I'M ALWAYS CONFIDENT I SAY YOUR NAME INCORRECTLY, SO I APOLOGIZE EVERY TIME SOMEBODY DOES.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S DICKENS. I APPRECIATE THE ATTEMPTS.

YES. SORRY. I'M NERVOUS. NERVOUS? HER NAME IS MELISSA, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF ROWLETT.

I'M VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT. I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED SINCE WE MOVED HERE IN TOWN.

ATTENDING COUNCIL MEETINGS SINCE 2023. IT'S WHERE MAYOR OF THE TIME CAME UP WAS LIKE, YOU GUYS ALWAYS COME HERE, BUT YOU NEVER SPEAK. WHY DO YOU COME? LIKE, WE JUST WANT TO BE INVOLVED. OH, WELL.

HI. I'M BLAKE BECAUSE HE JUST WASN'T USED TO PEOPLE COMING.

I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE. I'M CURRENTLY A MEMBER OF KEEP ROWLETT BEAUTIFUL ON THE BOARD COMMITTEE AND THEIR VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR.

I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH ROWLETT. I MEAN, YOU GUYS SEE ME EVERYWHERE.

THE REASON WHY I APPLIED FOR THIS IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE ROWLETT DESERVES TO BE CELEBRATED. WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT HISTORY THAT OUR RESIDENTS DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW ABOUT. THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THE AMAZING THINGS HE HAS DONE OR THINGS SUCH AS THE BANKHEAD HIGHWAY, THE THE TRAINS THAT WENT THROUGH HERE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT DESERVES TO BE CELEBRATED.

SO MY IDEAS INCLUDE MAYBE DOING A WEEK LONG CELEBRATION INSTEAD OF JUST ONE BIG EVENT HAVING MULTIPLE EVENTS.

WE GET CITY COUNCIL INVOLVED, GET THE LIBRARY INVOLVED, EVENTS, MAYBE FOR ADULTS, FOR KIDS, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY TO REALLY GET THAT HISTORY CELEBRATED.

I, I BRING. SORRY. THANKS. I ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN EVENT PLANNING BEING PART OF THE DEI COMMUNITY PROJECTS.

SO PLANNING A SWEET TASTE OF PRIDE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, PUTTING ALL THAT, ALL OF THAT TOGETHER,

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AWESOME. THANKS, ALYSSA. SORRY I SEEMED DISTRACTED UP HERE.

IN OUR STACK OF APPLICATIONS, WE WERE MISSING LARRY GLICK'S APPLICATION.

IT IS IN OUR PACKET COUNCIL THAT STACY SENT OUT.

IT'S ON PAGE 22. IF YOU FIND THAT EMAIL AND ARE ABLE TO FIND THAT PACKET.

BUT OUR LAST APPLICANT IS LARRY GLICK. SO 42 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY.

THIS IS MY FIFTH DECADE OF SERVING THE CITY. STARTING TO SEE THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND RECYCLING.

11 YEARS AS CHAIRING, PLANNING AND ZONING ON THE GOLF COURSE COMMITTEE.

STILL CHAIRING THAT THE GOLF COURSE WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY A COTTON FIELD.

I'VE BEEN ON THE GARLAND SCHOOL BOARD, AS YOU KNOW, NOW, FOR 20 YEARS.

MASTER TRUSTEE I HELPED BUILD THE FIRST KIDS KINGDOM.

THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME ANY POWER TOOLS OR ELSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INSURANCE FOR THAT.

BUT I HELPED DO THAT. SPONSORED THE FIRST FESTIVAL OF FREEDOM.

I WAS A, LET'S SEE, A REF IN SOCCER, A REF IN BASEBALL, AND A REF IN BASKETBALL.

AND REALLY, I'M INTERESTED IN TELLING THE STORY OF THIS WONDERFUL CITY THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH FOR ALL OF THAT.

THANK YOU. THANKS, LARRY. SO COUNCIL, THAT IS ALL 13 APPLICANTS.

WE HEARD FROM 11 APPLICANTS TODAY, TWO THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO BE HERE DUE TO A PRIOR ENGAGEMENT AND ALSO DUE TO A WORK COMMITMENT.

AND SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR.

AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE GROUP OR A SPECIFIC APPLICANT, FEEL FREE TO ASK THOSE.

AND AS FOR OUR APPLICANT POOL, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER WANTS TO KIND OF STAND UP AND ANSWER A QUESTION, FEEL FREE. TRY NOT TO MONOPOLIZE THE TIME. AND IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD BEYOND WHAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS SAID, FEEL FREE TO KIND OF CHIME IN AND ADD ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS THAT YOU HAVE.

AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS REALLY UNDER THE MICROSCOPE. YOU'RE ALL FANTASTIC PEOPLE AND WE APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING UP AND BEING WILLING TO SERVE.

SO I'M GRATEFUL ACTUALLY THIS TIME THAT WE HAVE JUST ENOUGH SPOTS FOR KIND OF EVERYBODY TO FILL A SEAT.

AND I THINK I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLE. JUST INTERESTING HOW THAT WORKED OUT.

SO COUNCIL WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE, MARVIN? I'M GOING TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK. BY SHOW OF HANDS, HOW MANY OF YOU EITHER SERVED OR WENT TO THE FESTIVAL OF FREEDOM? HOW MANY OF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS? JUST ONE.

OKAY, WELL, JUST BY THE HANDS THAT WENT UP, I BELIEVE THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT KNOW THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS A THREE DAY EVENT.

THAT WAS A LOT OF PLANNING, A LOT OF WORK GOING INTO IT.

AND I CAN ALREADY SEE THIS. IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG PARTY, JUST REMEMBER, THE BUDGET'S SMALL.

OKAY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE CANDIDATES.

THEY MUST HAVE DONE THAT TO ME. KNOW I DID IT. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE CANDIDATES.

I SEE EVERYBODY, I THINK THEY'RE ALL GOOD. I'M A LITTLE TAKEN BACK BY DANIEL'S COMMENT ABOUT THE YOUTH PART.

I MEAN, I THOUGHT I WAS YOUNG AT HEART AT LEAST.

BUT I SUPPORT EVERY ONE OF YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY REALLY QUESTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE IN A PANEL INTERVIEW, BUT I HAD A CHANCE TO READ EVERYONE'S APPLICATION. LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.

MARVIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP FESTIVAL OF FREEDOM. YEAH. SO TO ALICE'S POINT, RIGHT.

IT COULD BE MORE THAN A ONE DAY EVENT, BUT THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE TASK FORCE.

SO THE TASK FORCE, IF IT'S THREE DAYS FESTIVAL OF FREEDOM.

BUT FOR THE TASK FORCE, THAT IS THE JOB TO PLAN ADVISE SO WE CAN EXECUTE ON WHAT WE SHOULD SEE FOR A CITY.

AND I'D LOVE THE COMMENTS OF CIVIC PRIDE BUILDING A SPACE FOR EVERYBODY, THE HISTORY OF ROWLETT.

SO NO, I'M SUPER EXCITED. BETSY ALREADY IS IN THAT WORKING SPIRIT.

SO I'M EXCITED TO, TO SERVE AS A COUNCIL LIAISON ALONGSIDE COUNCIL MEMBER CASAR.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. YOU KNOW, I GOTTA CHIME IN NOW THAT HE'S DONE THAT.

ACTUALLY, I'M, I'M. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE TERM.

EVEN LARRY PROBABLY PUT IT BEST, WHICH IS TO TELL THE STORY.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THOSE WHO KNOW ME, HISTORY IS A BIG DEAL FOR ME.

BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME WITH ROBERT, SO I LOVE WHAT THIS CITY REPRESENTS AND I'M VERY NOW EXCITED THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON AN EVENT THAT BRINGS ATTENTION TO WHAT HAS BEEN ABOUT FOR THE LAST 75 YEARS.

LIKE MR. GIBBS, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF YOU.

I THINK IT'S JUST WONDERFUL THAT YOU STEPPED UP TO GET INVOLVED.

EVEN YOU, MR. GALLUPS. EVEN WHAT, MR. GALLUPS? I'LL TELL YOU. SO I'M. I'M EXCITED TO TO SEE WHERE WE GO.

I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHERE YOUR IDEAS COME OUT AND TAKE US TO THAT PART IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE INTERESTING.

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BUT SO I'M EXCITED. I REALLY AM THAT YOU GUYS HAVE STEPPED FORWARD LIKE, MR. GIBBS DO YOU THINK IS. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S I HOW HOW OLD ARE YOU? YOU'RE YOU'RE WAY YOUNGER THAN I AM. YOU'RE STILL YOUNG AT HEART, JUST LIKE MR. GIBBS. DON'T FALL FOR IT. I'M NOT GONNA FALL FOR THAT.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I I'M LIKE HIM. I'M IN FAVOR OF ALL OF YOU.

IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT FORTH YOUR TIME, WE ARE REALLY GOING TO BE GOING TO MAKE THIS UP TO BE A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REMIND ROWLETTE WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.

SO THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO ADD IS THAT MOST OF Y'ALL, I'M SURE YOU KNOW ME AND THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF YOU I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE BEEN SO ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT GIVES ME NO, NO QUALMS OR ANYTHING. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO GREAT AND I WILL BE CHEERING YOU ON AND HOPING THAT YOU DO MAKE IT THE BEST BECAUSE WE DESERVE THE BEST. THANK YOU. YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN JUST TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME.

THIS IS A HUGE MILESTONE AND I THINK I'LL. I THINK I'LL BEAT MARVIN TO THE PUNCH HERE.

LONNIE, WHAT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY? AUGUST 19TH. OKAY.

I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO REACH 75. JUST A LITTLE BIT.

BUT YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL CELEBRATION.

SO WHAT DOES MY APPLICATION OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO DO IS IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN IN 1952.

IF WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN RALEIGH THAT WAS BORN ON THE ELECTION DAY OR THE INCORPORATION, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. IT'S NOT ME, BUT THAT WOULD BE AWESOME TO GET THEM INTO, TO MAKE THEM ADMIT THEIR AGE.

YEAH, IT'S A LOTTERY. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO WIN THE LOTTERY.

HERE WE GO. HEY, I DON'T MIND ADMITTING MY AGE.

I'M. I'M PROUD OF EVERY MINUTE. YOU'RE THE YOUNGEST ONE UP THERE.

DON'T LET. DON'T. YOU'RE THE YOUNGEST ONE RIGHT THERE.

OUT OF ALL OF THEM, I LIKE DANIEL. I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T LIKE DANIEL.

HE'S A GOOD GUY. YEAH. SO MANY FACES THAT I RECOGNIZED FROM BEFORE I WAS SITTING ON THIS SIDE.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO ROWLETT.

YOUR SUPPORT OF ROWLETT. I'VE LEARNED A COUPLE THINGS IN A FEW LAST FEW MONTHS HERE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED THAT I PASS ALONG TO YOU IS THAT EVERYTHING YOU DO MATTERS.

AND THE CONVERSE IS ALSO TRUE. EVERYTHING YOU DON'T DO MATTERS.

AND SO I JUST SAY TO YOU, YOU GUYS ARE OUR AMBASSADORS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. AND THEN LET'S CELEBRATE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO IF I COULD HAVE MR. BOWERS KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT HE HAS IN MIND, HE'S KIND OF BEEN THE, THE, THE TIP OF THE SPEAR, SO TO SPEAK, WITH THIS PROJECT.

AND IF HE COULD JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, ETC..

YEAH. SO THANKS, MAYOR. ULTIMATELY, ONCE, OBVIOUSLY AFTER APPOINTMENTS ARE OFFICIALLY DONE AND WE'RE ALL WELCOME TO HAVE OUR GREAT GROUP OF 12.

SO ULTIMATELY WE'LL GET A VICE CHAIR AND A CHAIR SIMILAR TO LIKE THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS WHO'VE BEEN THERE. SO DANIEL, AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU'RE THE CHAIR OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD. SO WE'LL DO THAT, BUT THEN WE HAVE SIX SUBCOMMITTEES ON THERE THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE TO THE MAYOR'S POINT WOULD BE THE TIP OF THE SPEAR FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, HISTORY AND HERITAGE. WE GOT A LOT OF HISTORIANS IN THERE.

SO I KNOW THAT THIS ONE WILL BE A COMPETITIVE UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE, WHETHER IT'S VACANT.

SEBASTIAN MICHAEL GALLOPS FOR HISTORY AND HERITAGE, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT. SO WE HAVE EVENTS AND PROGRAMING. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT HISTORY AND HERITAGE SPONSORSHIP AND FUNDRAISING MARKETING, COMMUNICATIONS, LOGISTICS AND OPERATIONS, AND THEN COMMUNITY AND YOUTH ENGAGEMENT, AS DANIEL MENTIONED ABOUT THE YOUTH.

SO THOSE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU WANT YOU TO ONLY FOCUS ON THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS WHERE WE'LL BE LIKE, HEY, LET'S TALK TO OUR HISTORY AND HERITAGE SUBCOMMITTEE TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL LIKE HOW THINGS ARE GOING IN THIS DIRECTION.

SO THAT'S HOW WE WANT IT TO WORK JUST IN THOSE THAT MARRIAGE OF DIFFERENT OF DIFFERENT PIECES.

SO WITH ALL THAT IN MIND, ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS FOR US? KIND OF ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, MAYBE ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMMITTEE OR THE TASK FORCE.

EXCUSE ME, I KEEP USING THE WRONG WORD AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THIS IS A TASK FORCE. YOU GUYS HAVE WORK TO DO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? I JUST HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF OUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED AS THIS GETS PUT TOGETHER AND THINGS START COMING TOGETHER AND ROLL OUT.

I WAS NERVOUS TOO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. I WAS NERVOUS AND RAMBLED QUITE A BIT I GUESS.

BUT ONE OF THE BIG REASONS THAT I WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE IS BECAUSE OF MY LOVE FOR THIS TOWN, AND I SHARE THAT SENTIMENT WITH EVERYBODY BEHIND ME.

AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS SAID, BUT THAT WE ALL HAVE IN COMMON.

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AND THIS TOWN IS NOT JUST A TOWN. IT'S IT'S A COMMUNITY.

WE ALL PULL TOGETHER WHEN TIMES ARE TOUGH, WHEN SOMEONE'S GOING THROUGH A TOUGH TIME.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CELEBRATED, TOO.

A LOVE OF HISTORY AND WHERE WE'VE COME FROM AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO AND HOW WE GOT HERE, AND RAILROADS AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT I THINK CELEBRATING THE FACT THAT WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND WHO WE ARE AS A, AS A, AS CITIZENS, AND THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, TO EMPHASIZE AS PART OF THE 75TH, THAT THIS TOWN STARTED SMALL AND IT STARTED, IT GREW BY MODERN INNOVATION. BUT IT'S REALLY THE PEOPLE.

IT'S THE PEOPLE HERE THAT MAKE IT SPECIAL. AND THAT HOW WE CELEBRATE IN GOOD TIMES, COME TOGETHER AND GREAT TIMES AND HOW WE RALLY BEHIND EACH OTHER AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. MAYOR CHRISTOPH, HAVE WE DECIDED WHO THE STAFF LIAISON FOR? IT IS YET BY ANY CHANCE JUST ANY THOUGHT. SORRY, I DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT THIS OF COURSE WILL BE OUR EVENTS COMMITTEE.

SO IT WILL BE OUR. YOU KNOW, MALCOLM HORNSBY IS THE LEADER THERE, PAM.

MORE DIRECT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS FROM ANY OF THE APPLICANTS? OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL UNTIL TOMORROW, BUT I THINK YOU PROBABLY ARE ALL VERY LIKELY TO BE APPOINTED.

SO MY ASK WOULD BE TO CLEAR YOUR CALENDAR, I EXPECT THERE WILL BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK COMING YOUR WAY.

I GENUINELY APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR STEPPING UP AND FOR BEING A PART OF THIS.

IT'S YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE VILLAGE, RIGHT? THAT IT TAKES A VILLAGE AND, AND HERE YOU GUYS ARE, AND YOU ALL HAVE YOUR OWN UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES AND BACKGROUNDS AND HISTORY IN THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT'S A HISTORY THAT'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF YEARS LONG OR IT'S A BASKET FULL OF YEARS LONG.

AND IT'S, IT'S TREMENDOUS. AND I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH MANY OF YOU WHICH IS AWESOME.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, I'M JUST GRATEFUL YOU'RE HERE.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCIL. ANY CLOSING COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS? ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS ON TOMORROW'S AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION.

I WILL REQUEST THAT THAT OUR OTHER TWO APPLICANTS, IF POSSIBLE, COME TO TOMORROW'S MEETING IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR THEM, WE CAN PULL THAT ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

AND LOOK AT LOOK AT SPEAKING WITH THEM IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE.

THERE ARE 13 TOTAL APPLICANTS AND THE COMMITTEE SIZE IS BETWEEN 10 AND 13 REPRESENTATIVES OR CITIZENS.

SO IF WE WERE TO APPOINT EVERYONE WHO APPLIED, THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH SEATS FOR EVERYONE.

SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY.

THIS WAS A FAR EASIER PROCESS THAN INTERVIEWING EACH PERSON INDIVIDUALLY, TAKING 15 MINUTES AND TURNING IT INTO A FOUR HOUR MARATHON.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE FLEXIBILITY AND FOR THIS A LITTLE BIT UNORTHODOX PROCESS.

YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO STICK AROUND. YOU'RE WELCOME TO LEAVE. BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE. B RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING STATE HIGHWAY 66, FORCEMAIN AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN PROJECTS.

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SO I KNOW WE WERE JUST ALL AT THE RIBBON CUTTING AT ROWLETT HIGH SCHOOL, AND WE'RE PROBABLY STILL A LITTLE HOT AND SWEATY FOR THAT. SO WE'LL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AT 6:37 P.M.. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL IT IS 6:44 P.M.

WE'LL RECONVENE OUR REGULAR EXCUSE ME, OUR WORK SESSION.

WE'RE ON ITEM THREE B, WHICH I ALREADY READ INTO THE RECORD. AND HERE MAKING THE PRESENTATION IS GARY ENNA.

[3.B. Receive a presentation regarding SH66 Force Main and Wastewater Master Plan projects.]

HERE WE GO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M GARY IN ON THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

AND WITH ME TONIGHT. AND OUR TEAM IS BRIAN MANDERSCHEID.

HE'S A CIVIL ENGINEER AND THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE TWO PROJECTS WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT.

AND ALSO WITH US IS OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT LJB AND CHRIS ROBINSON.

OPERATIONS MANAGER AND MOLLY PEARSON IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD AND I COMBINED.

I THINK THEY HAVE 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY OF ROWLETT.

SO THEY WERE FORMERLY GRANTHAM ASSOCIATES. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A PRESENTATION TONIGHT ON THE STATE HIGHWAY 66 WEST SEWER LINE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TRANSITION TO THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN. SO WITH THAT, MOLLY'S GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION AND WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

GOOD EVENING. LIKE GARY MENTIONED, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON WASTEWATER PROJECTS FOR THE CITY OF ROWLETT FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.

ONE IS THE STATE HIGHWAY 66 FORCEMAIN AND THE OTHER IS A WASTEWATER MODEL UPDATE.

SO I'M GOING TO START OFF SPEAKING ABOUT THE FORCEMAIN.

THIS LOCATION MAP HERE JUST SHOWS YOU THE LOCATION AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE LIFT STATIONS.

SO YOU HAVE THE EAST SIDE LIFT STATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LAKE.

THERE'S A 24 INCH FORCE MAIN THAT CROSSES THE LAKE.

IT MANIFOLDS INTO PARALLEL 30 AND 18 INCH FORCE MAINS.

THOSE ARE ALL THOSE FORCE LINES THAT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT ARE THE THE DASHED LINES.

AND THEN THAT TRANSITIONS INTO A SINGLE 36 INCH FORCE MAIN, WHICH IS THE SOLID RED LINE.

AND THAT'S THE PORTION OF THIS SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

SO THIS THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT.

WE RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM THE CITY AFTER A FORCE MAIN BREAK.

I BELIEVE IT WAS IN FRONT OF MCDONALD'S SAYING, WE NEED TO INSTALL A NEW FORCE MAIN PRONTO.

WE NEED A PROPOSAL IN 24 HOURS. SO WE PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL, TOOK IT TO COUNCIL.

THIS WAS IN FEBRUARY OF 21. SO WE BEGAN BY DOING A TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY OF THE ENTIRE 5800 FOOT CORRIDOR.

PREPARING PRELIMINARY ALIGNMENTS FOR THE FULL CORRIDOR.

IT WAS QUITE TRICKY BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF UTILITIES IN THAT AREA.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY CONGESTED COMMERCIAL RIGHT OF WAY.

LOTS OF DRIVEWAYS, LOTS OF SIGNS, MONUMENTAL THINGS TO CONSIDER.

AND SO WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH THAT WAS THE LINE WAS GOING TO NEED TO BE PLACED OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WAS GOING TO REQUIRE AN EASEMENT FROM EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER ALONG THAT LINE.

AT, AT THAT POINT WE DID A OPINION OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE LINE. SO AT THAT POINT, WE REASSESSED AND LOOKED AT DOING A CONDITION ASSESSMENT ON THE LINE TO SEE IF ALL OF IT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. SO WE DID QUITE A BIT OF WORK WITH OBTAINING A PROPOSAL FROM A COMPANY THAT DOES THESE TYPES OF INSPECTIONS, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A LINE OUT OF SERVICE.

THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES AND ONE OF THEM LOOKS AT THE WALL THICKNESS AND ONE OF THEM ASSESSES USING SOUND WAVES FOR LEAKS.

SO WE GOT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER. IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

AND THE CITY STAFF ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

SO AT THAT POINT, WE WERE DIRECTED TO PHASE THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

AND WE PREPARED PLANS FOR THE SECTION THAT GOES FROM TARGET TO ROWLETT ROAD, WITH THE IDEA THAT THE PIECE FROM ROWLETT ROAD TO THE WALMART WOULD BE DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED AT A LATER DATE.

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AND AT THAT POINT, THE PROJECT KIND OF STALLED OUT AND DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD.

THEIR STAFFING CHANGES AT THE CITY. AND EVERY TIME WE HAD NEW STAFF COME IN, WE HAD MEETINGS TO KIND OF LIKE GO OVER HOW WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE.

AND THEN IT THAT JUST HAPPENED A COUPLE OF TIMES.

SO THE LINE HAS HAD MULTIPLE FAILURES. ALL OF THE PIPE FAILURES HAVE HAPPENED AT HIGH POINTS IN THE SYSTEM. SO WHERE THE PIPE IS ABOVE A CERTAIN ELEVATION.

IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1995 AND THE PIPE MATERIAL IS A CONCRETE LINED DUCTILE IRON.

SO DUCTILE IRON IS VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO CORROSION FROM THE GASES THAT NATURALLY FORM IN SEWER LINES FROM BACTERIA BREAKING DOWN THE ORGANIC MATERIAL. SO AT THE HIGH POINTS IS WHERE ALL OF THE GAS IS GOING TO ACCUMULATE, AND THAT IS WHERE THE FAILURES HAVE OCCURRED.

THERE'S SECTIONS OF THAT LINE THAT ARE NEVER EMPTY BECAUSE OF.

I'LL SHOW YOU THE PROFILE HERE IN A SECOND, BUT THERE'S SECTIONS OF THE LINE THAT ARE NEVER EMPTY, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO PROLONGED GASES THERE THAT WOULD CAUSE THE CORROSION.

SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE 36 INCH FORCE MAIN.

SO I JUST HAVE AN AERIAL UP ON THE TOP. AND THEN THE PROFILE ON THE BOTTOM GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ELEVATIONS LOOK LIKE AS YOU MOVE DOWN THE SYSTEM. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE IS A FAIRLY LONG SECTION OF PIPE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE MCDONALD'S, AND IT'S GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THOSE CORROSIVE GASES FOR A LOT OF THE TIME.

SO ANYTHING BENEATH THE RED LINE IS PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS FULLY SUBMERSED.

IT'S ALWAYS FULL OF LIQUIDS. SO THEN YOU HAVE AT EITHER END DOWN BY THE WALMART.

THAT'S A HIGH POINT. AND ALSO I BELIEVE THE FAILURE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN EXACERBATED BECAUSE THERE'S A MANHOLE, WHICH IS WHERE THE FORCEMAIN ENDS, AND IT TRANSITIONS TO A GRAVITY SYSTEM.

AND THERE'S VERY HIGH VELOCITIES AND LOTS OF FLOW, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS WEST SIDE LIFT STATION CARRIES FLOW FOR A LARGE PORTION OF THE CITY. AND WITH THAT TURBULENCE AND THE GASES COLLECTING THERE, THAT WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THE FAILURE THAT WAS THERE.

THERE'S ALSO A VERY MINIMAL HIGH POINT IN FRONT OF THE RAISING CANE'S RIGHT PAST TARGET, AND THERE WAS NOT BEEN A FAILURE AT THAT LOCATION.

BUT I ALSO HAVE THAT RECOMMENDED TO REPLACE A SMALL PORTION THERE.

SO AS I MENTIONED, THESE ARE THE FAILURE LOCATIONS.

THERE IN FRONT OF MCDONALD'S, THE AIR RELEASE VALVE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD INSTALL THAT BASICALLY WOULD RELEASE THE GASES FROM THE SYSTEM WAS NOT FUNCTIONING. THERE WAS ALSO A LONG SECTION OF PIPE THAT WAS AT A VERY FLAT SLOPE, WHICH IS ALSO NOT GREAT FOR AIR ACCUMULATION BECAUSE IT TENDS TO MOVE SLOWER THROUGH THERE.

SO A SECTION OF THAT HAS BEEN REPLACED, I THINK MAYBE IN MULTIPLE FAILURE EVENTS.

WE'RE NOT SURE 100% WHAT PIPE WAS PUT IN THERE SINCE IT WAS ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS.

THE OTHER THING IS I BELIEVE THERE'S STILL ONGOING ODOR COMPLAINTS AT MCDONALD'S, WHICH IS INDICATIVE THAT YOU STILL HAVE A PROBLEM THERE.

THERE WAS ALSO A FAILURE NEAR THE WALMART. LIKE I MENTIONED, THE GRAVITY MANHOLE THERE WITH ALL THE GASES IN IT AND THE HIGH VELOCITIES, THE TURBULENCE COULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THAT.

THERE WAS A FAILURE ON THE 30 INCH, BUT THAT WAS DUE TO A CONTRACTOR DAMAGING THE LINE.

SO THAT WAS NOT A HIGH POINT ISSUE. AND THEN LIKE I MENTIONED IN FRONT OF THE JUST WEST OF TARGET, IN FRONT OF RAISING CANE'S, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A FAILURE THERE, BUT IT IS STILL A MODERATE HIGH POINT.

SO DID WE RECOUP ANYTHING FROM THE CONTRACTOR ON THAT FOR DAMAGE? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY ON THAT. I WAS JUST SPEAKING WITH STAFF ABOUT IF THAT WAS A CORROSION FAILURE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THE CITY STAFF WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO. SO THE, THE ONE GO BACK A SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THE FAILURE THAT THE 30 INCH EAST OF PGT NEAR KWIK TRIP, IT SAYS IT WAS DUE FAILURE WAS DUE TO A FRANCHISE UTILITY CONTRACTOR DAMAGE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CORRECT STATEMENT.

THAT'S CORRECT STATEMENT. I WAS HERE AT THE TIME, BUT I DON'T RECALL THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FUNDS.

BUT I'LL GET THE ANSWER FOR YOU. OKAY. SO IN THE LAST I WOULD

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WE HAD ONE CITY STAFF THAT WANTED TO LOOK INTO DOING CURED IN PLACE PIPE REHABILITATION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU, THE CITY HAS DONE ON THE LIBERTY GROVE PROJECT.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRESSURE PIPE SITUATION.

AND WE LOOKED INTO IT, PRICED IT OUT, TALKED TO SEVERAL CONTRACTORS.

THERE'S A FEW REASONS THAT WE DID NOT RECOMMEND IT AS THE PREFERRED METHOD.

ONE, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. THE MATERIAL ITSELF IS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR PRESSURE APPLICATIONS.

THE OTHER THING IS THE WAY THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY WORKS.

IT'S LIKE A FABRIC TUBE THAT'S INSERTED INTO THE PIPE AND THEN USING HOT WATER OR AIR, THEY CURE IT.

BECAUSE THERE WERE EMERGENCY REPAIRS DONE ON THE FORCE MAIN AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF PIPE THEY USED.

IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT INSIDE DIAMETER ON THE PIPE IN THE REPAIR PLACES, IF YOU DON'T REPLACE THAT SO THAT YOU HAVE A, A UNIFORM INSIDE DIAMETER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WRINKLING IN THE PIPE.

AND IT'S JUST NOT IDEAL. YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE THE SAME DIAMETER THROUGH THE WHOLE LENGTH OF YOUR SYSTEM.

AND THE OTHER THING IS YOU WOULD BE LINING THE WHOLE LINE AND SOME OF THOSE LOW POINTS YOU SAW ON THE PROFILE.

THAT POSES A REAL CHALLENGE TO REMOVE ALL OF THE FLOW FROM THE FROM THOSE LINES.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDERNEATH A CREEK AND THERE'S ONLY YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO CUT INTO THE LOW POINT AND PUMP FLOW OUT FROM THERE.

SO IT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE. SO WE SAT DOWN WITH THE CITY AND SUGGESTED THAT WE JUST FOCUS ON REPLACING THE PROBLEM AREAS, WHICH IS THE HIGH POINTS RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE THE, THE PROFILE OF THE LINE. WE CAN IDENTIFY WHICH SECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO THE AIR.

WE CAN ADD IN A BUFFER ON EITHER END. AND WE WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH A KNOWN PIPE TYPE THAT HAS A MATCHING OR AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET INSIDE DIAMETER TO THAT DUCTILE IRON, SO THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT MEETS YOUR EXISTING FLOW NEEDS AND ELIMINATES THE RISK OF HAVING ANOTHER COLLAPSE IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S GOING TO MEET THE CITY'S CURRENT NEEDS.

THERE IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT YOU WILL NEED TO HAVE A FUTURE PARALLEL FORCE MAIN, WHICH I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO AS PART OF THE WASTEWATER MODEL UPDATE. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE CURRENTLY YEAH, YOU'RE CURRENTLY ABLE TO PUMP ALL OF THE FLOWS YOU NEED THROUGH THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION. BUT ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

SO THIS IS JUST A VISUAL OF THE APPROXIMATE LIMITS.

THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED WOULD BE THE APPROXIMATE LIMITS OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REPLACE WITH THIS PROJECT.

OKAY LET'S PAUSE. AND CAN YOU GO BACK SEVERAL SLIDES TO WHERE YOU HAD THE OTHER TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP THAT SHOWED THE.

NOT THAT ONE. THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU HAD. THESE WERE NOT IN OUR PRESENTATION.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. SO THE THE TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP THAT YOU SHOWED REALLY ONLY GOES FROM TARGET TO WALMART. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. I WAS JUST FOCUSING ON THE 36 INCH FORCE MAIN SINCE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT TO DO.

GOT IT. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE PARALLEL FORCE PAINS THAT ALREADY EXIST FROM THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION OVER TO TARGET.

I DO HAVE THOSE MODELED IN IN THE WASTEWATER MODEL THAT I CURRENTLY KEEP UPDATED FOR THE.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO BE UPDATING ARE. AND THOSE THERE'S NOT HIGH POINTS ON THAT SECTION OF THE LINE OR ABOVE THE.

THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. IS THERE ANY. SO, SO YOU KIND OF TALKED ABOUT NEEDING AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, AND I KNOW THIS IS PART OF THE SECOND PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION.

TO UPSIZE OR RUN A PARALLEL LINE ALONG THE 36 INCH LINE FROM TARGET TO WALMART.

IS THERE ANY NEED TO UPSIZE OR DO ANYTHING WITH THE OTHER TWO PARALLEL LINES TO THE EAST OF THAT? PROBABLY. AND IS A. REALLY, IT'S A REALLY OLD FORCE MAIN.

THEN THEY CAME BACK LATER IN THE 30 INCH WAS INSTALLED, SO I WOULD I'M, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT WANT TO REPLACE UPSIZE THE.

18 SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL CARRY THE FLOW.

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THE LIFT STATION HAS AN INLET OF ONE FORCE MAIN COMING IN FROM THE EAST AND TWO OUTLETS THAT ARE GOING OUT TO THE WEST.

AND SO IT'S PUSHING BOTH OF THOSE PIPES WITH THE SAME FLOW AND VOLUME AND PRESSURE AND ALL OF THAT OR.

YEAH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALL INTERCONNECTED. THE EAST SIDE LIFT STATION USED TO PUMP ACROSS THE LAKE, AND THEN ALL OF THE FLOW FROM THE EAST SIDE LIFT STATION WENT INTO THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION.

WE ACTUALLY DID A PROJECT TO INTERCONNECT THE FORCE MAINS, SO THAT YOU'RE NOT PUMPING THE SAME FLOW TWICE, AND TO BUY THE CITY SOME MORE TIME WITH THE NEED TO UPGRADE THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION.

I BELIEVE PROJECTS ON THE BOOKS SLATED CIP PROJECTS TO COMPLETELY REPLACE THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION FROM 2002 2003. SO THIS JUST KIND OF PUSHED THAT PROJECT DOWN THE LINE.

SO NOW THE 24 INCH DOESN'T GO BACK INTO THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION.

THERE'S A LITTLE THERE'S A MANIFOLD INTERCONNECT AND IT CAN, IT DISTRIBUTES THE FLOW BETWEEN BOTH PARALLEL FORCE MAINS.

SO THEY'RE ALL INTERCONNECTED. AND YOU CAN SHUT DOWN ONE FOR A PORTION OF TIME IF YOU NEED TO.

SO I LEARNED MORE ABOUT WASTEWATER THAN I EVER WANTED TO KNOW WHEN I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LIBERTY GROVE FIASCO.

IS IT COMMON IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO FROM FROM 2002 IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID TO KIND OF KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOR 24 YEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MITIGATED IT, BUT THERE WAS A PLAN AT SOME POINT TO DO A MUCH LARGER REMEDIATION, REPAIR OR RECONSTRUCTION.

IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A IMPROVEMENT THAT WOULD NEED TO TAKE PLACE AS THE CITY DEVELOPED.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SPECIFIC YEAR PUT ON THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE LIFT STATION.

BUT WE SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO BYPASS, I MEAN, PUMPING FLOW TWICE IS NEVER GOOD.

THAT'S OPERATIONS COSTS FOR THE CITY. SO WHEN I GET TO THIS WASTEWATER MODEL UPDATE THAT'S GOING TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE CITY IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO NEED.

AND IF IT'S A COMBINATION OF UPGRADES AT THE LIFT STATION, UPGRADES TO THE FORCE MAIN THEY ALL KIND OF, THEY ALL INTERCONNECT. I MEAN, THEY, THEY, WHAT THE SIZE OF THE FORCE MAIN AFFECTS THE SIZE OF THE PUMPS YOU NEED AFFECTS THE SIZE OF THE WET WELL, WHICH IS THE STORAGE CAPACITY OF THE LIFT STATION.

THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL INTERCONNECTED. IF YOU CHANGE ONE IT CHANGES HOW THE OTHER BEHAVES.

SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A SYSTEM ASSESSMENT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE SOMETIME AFTER 2021, BUT IN 2023 ISH, WE HAD NEW STAFF COME IN AND WE DECIDED AGAINST DOING A SYSTEM ASSESSMENT FOR THIS STRETCH FROM WALMART TO TARGET.

RIGHT. THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT WAS.

YES. THAT WAS DECIDED AGAINST. AND SO. HOW DO WE WITHOUT DOING THAT ASSESSMENT, HOW DO WE ARRIVE AT THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS THE BEST APPROACH? SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE BEST APPROACH BECAUSE WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THE HIGH POINTS ARE WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE.

WE ALSO DID SOME WORK ON THE 24 INCH FORCE WING THAT GOES UNDER THE LAKE.

THERE WAS FAILURES ON THAT LINE. WE ALSO DESIGNED REPLACEMENT OF A PORTION OF THAT LINE THAT GOES BETWEEN THE EAST SIDE LIFT STATION AND THE LAKE.

AND AS A PART OF THAT PROJECT, WE HAD THE CONTRACTOR EMPTY THE FORCE MAIN AND INSPECT IT WITH A TV CAMERA, AND THE SECTION UNDER THE LAKE HAD NO DAMAGE TO IT AT ALL.

BOTH OF THE FAILURES ON THAT LINE HAD HAPPENED AT THE HIGH POINTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE LAKE.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE HISTORY WITH THIS. IT'S THE SAME PIPE TYPE INSTALLED AROUND THE SAME TIME.

YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY FAILURES ANYWHERE. THAT'S NOT A HIGH POINT.

AND WHEN THE CONTRACTOR HAD COME IN ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS TO REPLACE THE SECTION IN FRONT OF MCDONALD'S.

THEY JUST HAD TO KEEP GOING AND ADDING MORE STICKS OF PIPE UNTIL THEY GOT TO A PIECE THAT WAS SOLID AND COULD BE CONNECTED TO, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A PIECE THAT'S BELOW THE AIRLINE.

GOT IT. AND I THINK, I THINK YOU KIND OF JUST ANSWERED WHAT MY NEXT QUESTION WAS, WAS WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO RUN A CAMERA THROUGH A LINE THAT'S FULL OF FLOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THOSE LINES ARE IN GOOD CONDITION? AND BASICALLY, I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED THAT BY SAYING THAT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE CONDITIONS OF COMPLETELY EMPTYING A PIPE AND RUNNING A CAMERA THROUGH IT, WE'RE SEEING THAT THEY'RE HOLDING UP IN SPITE OF THERE BEING A FLOW THROUGH IT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NO GAS.

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I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE THE MODEL HERE IN A SECOND. AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY OUR OWN MODEL. AND IF THE MODEL CALLS FOR SPECIFIC THINGS TO BE DONE AT SPECIFIC MILESTONES.

WE NEED TO ISSUE BONDS AND BID THOSE PROJECTS, AND THOSE THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS ENTIRE STRETCH IS KIND OF LIKE A SERIES OF AFTERTHOUGHTS THAT ARE KIND OF COBBLED TOGETHER, AND IT'S MADE A SYSTEM THAT WORKS, BUT ONLY BY THE GRACE OF GOD IN A LOT OF WAYS.

AND IN SOME CASES, IT DOESN'T WORK. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY MAJOR FAILURE BACK IN 2021 IN FRONT OF MCDONALD'S THAT YOU MENTIONED. SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THE, WHEN WE DO THE MODEL, IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE STICK WITH AS A COMMUNITY AND WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A COUNCIL THAT SUPPORTS THAT. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS THAT.

SO I HOPE WHOEVER THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE, AND TEN YEARS FROM NOW THAT ARE WATCHING THIS MEETING AND WONDERING HOW WE GOT TO THIS CONDITION, I HOPE THEY HEAR THOSE WORDS THAT WE NEED TO STICK WITH THE PLAN, BECAUSE CONTINUING TO PUT BAND-AIDS ON TOP OF BAND-AIDS IS NOT DOING ANYBODY ANY FAVORS.

COUNCIL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AMONG THE FIRST PART OF THIS CONVERSATION AROUND THE.

THE FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENT, MARVIN, ON THE THE HIGH POINTS THAT WE'RE REPLACING.

JUST MAKE SURE DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME. IT'S GOING TO BRING IT DOWN BELOW TO THE RECOMMENDED LEVELS.

OR IS IT GOING TO STAY AT A HIGH POINT. SO I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE IT'S IT WOULD BE DEEP. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LINES THERE IS TEN FEET.

IDEALLY WE COULD LOWER IT. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S GOING ON THERE WITH UTILITIES.

WHAT WE CAN FIT IN THE CORRIDOR. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.

YEAH. WAS THERE A COMMENT. I WAS JUST SAYING YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER THERE'S A UTILITY CONFLICTS.

THERE'S REASON WHY WE MAY BE THAT HIGH. MAYBE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING OVER SOMETHING ELSE, MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE IN THE WAY. SO THERE'S SOME DETAILS WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHEN WE DO THAT. THOSE DESIGN DESIGN THAT PROCESS.

OKAY. DO CAN WE BE BRIEFED ON THAT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN? ABSOLUTELY. AND THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME LET ME CLARIFY IS THE OBJECTIVE TO CHANGE THE ELEVATION OR IS THE OBJECTIVE TO GET THE RIGHT KIND OF PIPE IN THERE THAT CAN MANAGE THE THE TOXICITY OF THE GASES? YEAH. IF WE CAN'T LOWER IT ENOUGH, THE THE GOAL IS TO GET AWAY FROM THIS DUCTILE IRON PIPE THAT HAS FAILURES AND GET SOMETHING THAT'S CORROSION RESISTANT PVC, HDPE. SO WE ARE TRYING TO ADJUST THE ELEVATION AS WELL.

WE'RE NOT JUST PLANNING TO JUST GO BACK WHERE IT IS AND REPLACE.

YEAH, WE HAVE THE OPTION IF WE'RE IF WE'RE REPLACING IT TO.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ELEVATION IS THE PROBLEM FOR THIS THING.

SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PIPE THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO UNLESS FOR SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ALIEN SHIP GOING TO BRING IT TO US. THAT WILL WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME BACK DOWN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.

GARY, I SEE YOU OVER THERE BITING YOUR NAILS.

OKAY. COUNCIL OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS IS A REALLY LIKE, CRITICAL GRAPHIC IN MY MIND, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT REALLY TELLS THE STORY OF WHERE THE ISSUES ARE.

MAYOR. I'LL JUST JUMP IN. SINCE YOU'RE THE EXPERT ON LIBERTY GROVE AND I HATE TO BRING BACK BAD MEMORIES, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, THERE WERE CLEARLY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BY THE NEW SUBDIVISION THAT INCREASED FLOW INTO OLD PIPES THAT COLLAPSED. AND THEN AFTER THOSE WERE REPLACED, THERE WAS A SEWER SMELL.

SO I JUST WANT US TO THINK AHEAD OF WHAT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HAPPEN WHEN YOU DO THIS PIECEMEAL APPROACH.

THAT'S JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. SO.

SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE GIVEN THAT COUNCIL WAS GIVEN AT THE AT THE TIME THE LIBERTY GROVE REPLACEMENT HAPPENED, WAS THAT THERE WERE. THAT BECAUSE OF THE. POROUSNESS OF THE PIPE, MANY OF THE GASES WERE ESCAPING INTO THE SOIL, INTO THE GROUND, AS OPPOSED TO BEING FORCED INTO A VENT STACK OR COMING OUT OF A MANHOLE, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. AND IT WAS BEING MITIGATED AND KIND OF FILTERED THROUGH THE SOIL, IF YOU WILL.

IS THAT AN ANTICIPATED SIDE EFFECT TO MR. HOLSTON'S POINT OF REPLACING THIS PIPE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS IMPERMEABLE? I'M ASSUMING WHAT WE HAVE NOW SHOULD BE IMPERMEABLE, BUT PERHAPS IT'S NOT.

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I MEAN, I DO THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HAVING ODOR COMPLAINTS AT THE MCDONALD'S.

THAT'S BAD PIPE. I MEAN, THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT'S UNDER PRESSURE.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE GASES ESCAPING FROM IT. IT SHOULD BE ALL CARRIED DOWN TO THE DOWNSTREAM MANHOLE.

SO WHEN IT GETS. I'M NOT A HYDROLOGIST, BUT WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S COMPLETELY BELOW THE THE THE WATER TABLE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. AND THEN IT GOES UP.

DOES IT STAY COMPLETELY FILLED OR IS THERE, IS IT NOW AT A LOWER POINT IN THE PIPE? SO WHEN ALL THE PUMPS ARE RUNNING, YOU KNOW, THE PIPE IS GOING TO FILL UP AND THEN THIS IS WHAT IT SETTLES OUT TO.

WHEN THE PUMPS ARE OFF. SO YOU'RE IT'S A CONSTANTLY CHANGING SYSTEM DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PUMPS ARE RUNNING IS THE EAST SIDE LIFT STATION RUNNING? IS THE WEST SIDE OR IS THEY BOTH RUNNING? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT BASICALLY WATER PROFILES UNDER ALL THOSE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.

AND SO THEY'RE IN FRONT OF MCDONALD'S. THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF VENT STACK BECAUSE AIR HAS TO COME BACK IN, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF IT DOES SETTLE OUT, AS YOU JUST SAID, THEN AIR HAS TO FILL THAT VACUUM THAT NOW EXISTS IN THE PIPE.

YEAH. I BELIEVE THERE IS AN AIR RELEASE VALVE THERE NOW.

YES. AND SO THERE WOULD BE ONE GOING BACK. SO SIMILARLY, WHEN IT STARTS TO PUMP AGAIN, IS THE AIR GOING DOWN THE LINE OR IS THE AIR GOING OUT AS THE LINE FILLS. IT'S A TWO WAY DEVICE. SO IT CAN DO BOTH.

IT CAN DO BOTH. SO AIR WOULD BE COMING BACK OUT.

SO IF THERE'S AIR IN THE PIPE IT WOULD. SO AGAIN TO CARTER'S POINT AND I THERE'S TOTALLY OTHER WAYS THAT WE'RE WORKING TO MITIGATE THE SEWER ODOR.

THAT'S IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO CAP IT.

THERE'S CHEMICALS AND OTHER AERATION THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO MITIGATE THAT PROBLEM.

BUT I THINK YOU RAISE A VERY VALID POINT THAT I DON'T WANT TO FIND OURSELVES IN THAT POSITION AGAIN.

AND I ALSO WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF YOU HAD A NEW SUBDIVISION.

THEY REPLACED SOME EQUIPMENT THAT PUT MORE PRESSURE ON OLD PIPES.

DO THESE REPAIRS CAUSE OTHER ISSUES DOWN BY WALMART? I MEAN, SHOULD WE LOOK AT THIS MORE HOLISTICALLY? OTHER THAN WE JUST FIXED THE HIGH POINTS. SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT IF WE DO THIS THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE SOMETHING TO HAPPEN AT WALMART.

WHY DON'T WE UNCOVER ALL THAT NOW? JUST THE THOUGHT.

YEAH. I MEAN, WELL, THIS ALL KIND OF TIES BACK IN WITH THE THE WASTEWATER MODEL UPDATE.

AND WHAT DOES THE SYSTEM EVENTUALLY NEED TO LOOK LIKE? IT'S THE SYSTEM THAT'S DOWNSTREAM OF THIS, OF THIS PRESSURE SYSTEM.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED TO PUT IN A PARALLEL FORCE MAIN.

NOW YOUR GRAVITY LINES DOWNSTREAM OF THIS ARE UNDERSIZED.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT PLANNING AND THEN THE TIMING OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO UPSIZE YOUR GRAVITY LINES FIRST, AND THEN WORK YOUR WAY BACK UPSTREAM TO GET EVERYTHING SIZED FOR THE FUTURE.

FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR, AS I MENTIONED QUITE A WHILE.

AND I THINK ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES IS THAT YOU HAVE YOUR BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, FORCE MAIN RIGHT IN OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

AND SO THAT UPSIZING IT, CHANGING IT, ADDRESSING IT, IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THIS BUSINESS CORRIDOR AND WOULD BE A VERY EXPENSIVE AND HARD PROJECT TO COMPLETE. SO AS WE LOOK AT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT ROUTE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO TRY AND PUT MORE CAPACITY INTO THIS VERY SENSITIVE CORRIDOR.

SO I THINK THAT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS NOT THE PERFECT SOLUTION.

IT IS A SOLUTION THAT I THINK BALANCES THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH THE IMPACT OF A MORE.

OPEN TRENCH ALL THE WAY DOWN THIS ENTIRE CORRIDOR.

YOU CAN SORT OF TRY AND IMAGINE THIS IS A. THIS IS DEEP.

THAT TRENCH IS GOING TO BE BIG, WIDE, SHORT AND OPEN FOR A VERY PARTICULAR LONG TIME.

IF WE TRIED TO REPLACE THIS ENTIRE PIPE. THAT'S THE SORT OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WITH TRYING TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON A KEY CORRIDOR FOR THE CITY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING TO YOU TONIGHT, SORT OF TRYING TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE COMPROMISE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPROMISE.

WHILE WE FIT THIS INTO A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE DESIGN THIS SYSTEM LONG TERM AND ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE MAY NEED, IN FACT, LIKELY WILL NEED ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO GET TO THIS CORRIDOR.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME LINE.

IT MAY MEAN THAT WE COME UP WITH ANOTHER. IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND ACTUALLY PARALLEL THIS LINE IN SOME WAY, BUT THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAVE HAD THAT FULL CONVERSATION,

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I THINK I THINK THE POINT STILL REMAINS THAT NONE OF US WANT TO BE BACK UP HERE AFTER THIS IS COMPLETED OR WHILE IT'S BEING COMPLETED AND SAY, OH, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THESE ISSUES BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED ON LIBERTY GROVE. SO TO THAT EXTENT, WHATEVER DESIGN WE NEED TO DO, WHATEVER THOUGHTS WE NEED TO GET THROUGH, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO REPEAT NO ONE UP HERE, NONE OF THE CITIZENS.

AND SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR A PERFECT SOLUTION.

I'M JUST ASKING FOR US TO CONSIDER ALL THE CAUSE AND EFFECT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND WILL THAT CAUSE ANY OTHER ISSUES. SO WHAT DID YOU WANT? OKAY, SO AT THE SHALLOWEST POINT HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PIPE IS, WHAT, EIGHT FEET DEEP AROUND THE MCDONALD'S BETWEEN THERE AND THE 151 COFFEE. RIGHT? ABOUT RIGHT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO DOWN BETWEEN 8 AND 25FT MAYBE.

YEAH. SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S JUST TO GET JUST TO YEAH, THAT SECTION.

WHICH GOES REALLY FROM. CHEESESTEAK HOUSE MCALISTER'S WEST ALL THE WAY TO THE BEYOND THE SHELL STATION ACTUALLY ALMOST TO THE WALGREENS AND CVS.

YEAH. SO THAT THE PROFILE DOESN'T EXACTLY LINE UP WITH THE PICTURE ABOVE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT LINE.

GOT IT. SO THAT'S FAIR. OKAY. SORRY I COULD NERD OUT ON MATH ALL DAY LONG.

I LOVE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PLAN OR THE MODEL? EXCUSE ME. ON THE SLIDE HERE ON THE VERY FAR LEFT, WHERE IT GOES TO THE HIGH POINT AGAIN.

IS THAT PART OF REPLACEMENT THERE? YES. THE FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENT.

AND THEN IT TRANSITIONS TO A PVC GRAVITY LINE, WHICH JUST CARRIES THE FLOW USING GRAVITY ALL THE WAY TO THE OUTFALL.

JUST SO THAT MY MIND'S WORKING HERE ON IN FRONT OF HOME DEPOT.

I KNOW THAT WAS A FAILURE BACK WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING HOME DEPOT, AND THAT THEY DID A REPLACEMENT FOR US.

WAS THAT LINE OKAY THERE? HOME DEPOT IS A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN.

IT'S NOT ON THE CHART. OH, IT'S FURTHER WEST.

FURTHER WEST. OKAY. SO I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT FAILURE.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GRAVITY LINE THOUGH, AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OKAY.

YEAH. WE'LL HAVE TO. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT ONE.

WE'LL GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU. OKAY. OKAY. I'M GOOD.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE WASTEWATER MODEL.

THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A SENSITIVE SUBJECT FOR US, IN CASE YOU CAN'T TELL. SO I DO HAVE A WASTEWATER MODEL FOR THE CITY THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BACK IN 2010, I BELIEVE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN SSES, WHICH IS A CONDITION ASSESSMENT OF THE CITY'S ENTIRE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

WE HAD A WE WORKED ALONGSIDE PIPELINE ANALYSIS, WE DID ALL THE FIELD WORK, AND WE PUT TOGETHER A MODEL AND CAME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TOP PRIORITY SEWER REPLACEMENT PROJECTS.

SO I DID MAKE SOME UPDATES TO THE MODEL IN 2015 FOR SPECIFIC AREAS.

ONE OF THEM WAS THE NORTH SHORE AREA. SIGNATURE GATEWAY.

THERE WERE A FEW AREAS THAT I UPDATED WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTIONS.

ALSO, YOU'VE HAD SOME FLOW MONITORING DONE IN 2019 SINCE THEN, WHICH I WOULD BE ABLE TO USE TO HELP CALIBRATE EXISTING FLOWS CLOSER TO REALITY TODAY.

SO BASICALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO. I'VE BEEN, I'VE REVIEWED SOME PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH SHORE AREA.

THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN BECAUSE THAT FEEDS DIRECTLY INTO THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION AND THE SYSTEM WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

BUT THE DEVELOPMENT ASSUMPTIONS I WAS GIVEN IN 2015 THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS HAS ALREADY EXCEEDED WHAT WAS IN THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. AND OF COURSE, THOSE ARE HIGH CONCENTRATION DEVELOPMENTS WITH LOTS OF SANITARY SEWER FLOWS.

SO PART OF THIS WILL BE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO DECIDE WHAT IS.

WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE ASSUMPTIONS TO MAKE IN THAT AREA? WHAT DO WE THINK IS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN? IS THERE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE MORE MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY?

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OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT LOWER IMPACT ON YOUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS AND THAT WE'LL USE THAT TO HELP US DETERMINE WHAT UPGRADES ARE NEEDED AT THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION FORCEMAIN AND DOWNSTREAM GRAVITY. SO THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AREAS LEFT TO DEVELOP IN NORTH SHORE. THE, I THINK I'VE PRETTY MUCH SETTLED THIS IN MY INTRO, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT HAS SHIFTED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE WHAT THE ASSUMPTIONS I WAS GIVEN BACK IN 2015.

THERE WAS A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY. AND THAT'S NOT BEEN WHAT'S OCCURRED THERE.

SO BASICALLY THERE'S YOUR NORTH SHORE AREA AND ITS RELATION TO THIS SYSTEM.

SO IT'S THE GRAVITY LINE RUNS DOWN THE EDGE OF THE LAKE TO THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION.

AND THEN I'VE ADDED IN THE THE GRAVITY LINES IN BLUE THERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF HOW THAT RELATES IN LENGTH TO THE FORCE MAIN.

SO EVERYTHING FROM THE SHADED SECTION IN NORTH SHORE RUNS THROUGH THAT LINE DOWN THE LAKE SHORE INTO THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION. YES. HOW BIG IS THAT LINE? OH IT'S LIKE A 20, IT'S LIKE 24 INCH UP AROUND LIBERTY GROVE. AND THEN AS IT BASICALLY GOES SOUTH, AS YOU KIND OF SEE, THERE'S LIKE THE CREEK THAT'S JUST TO THE LEFT OR TO THE WEST OF THE LIBERTY GROVE BRIDGE, IT BASICALLY KIND OF FALLS DOWN THE PATH BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALONG THE SHORELINE THERE.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY 30 INCH PIPE THAT GENERALLY, I THINK AS YOU GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO LAKE, IT'S FAIRLY SUBMERGED. OVERALL, IT'S FAIRLY DEEP DOWN IN THE GROUND ABOUT WHERE THE WET WELL ELEVATIONS ARE.

SO THAT PIPE IS FAIRLY SUBMERGED AS YOU GET DOWN ONE WAY.

AND THEN THE BLUE GRAVITY LINE I HAVE SHOWN DOWNSTREAM IS VARIES BETWEEN 30 AND 36.

I THINK UNTIL YOU GET CLOSER TO THERE'S A SIPHON THAT CROSSES ROWLETT CREEK, AND THEN A LARGE 60 INCH SEWER THAT TAKES THE REST OF IT TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. BUT TYPICALLY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A 36 INCH FORCE MAIN UNDER PRESSURE DISCHARGING INTO A PIPE THAT'S THE SAME OR SMALLER SIZE. BECAUSE YOUR VELOCITIES ARE SLOWER, YOU NEED A BIGGER PIPE USUALLY.

SO IF WE INCREASE THE FLOWS THAT'S JUST GOING TO EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM.

SO THE PATH FORWARD FOR THE CITY MOVE AHEAD WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF THE HIGH POINT SEGMENTS.

THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR FASTEST PATH TO HAVE HAVING A FORCE MAIN THAT'S SOLID AND CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE YOUR CURRENT NEEDS.

THEN COMPLETE THE WASTEWATER MODEL UPDATE. THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP US SIZE THE SYSTEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND ULTIMATELY DEVELOP A LONG TERM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE CITY'S WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

BASED ON ANY OTHER UNDEVELOPED AREAS OR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME ONLINE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THE SYSTEM.

OKAY. QUESTIONS. SO YOU KIND OF MENTIONED DEVELOPMENT TRENDS AND IN IN TWO AREAS THAT I HEARD, ONE OF WHICH WAS THE NORTH SHORE AND ONE OF WHICH WAS SIGNATURE GATEWAY.

LET'S TALK ABOUT SIGNATURE GATEWAY FIRST, BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY FULLY DEVELOPED, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, IT'S TURNED INTO MULTIFAMILY. WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED FOR THAT AREA, I THINK WAS MORE HOTEL COMMERCIAL TYPE AREA.

TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FLOWS BETWEEN THOSE TWO USE CASES.

IS IT GENERALLY THE SAME OR I MEAN REALLY YOUR THE MAIN DIFFERENTIAL IS THE DENSITIES.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT MORE UNITS PER ACRE IF YOU'VE GOT MULTIFAMILY THAN IF YOU'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.

SO, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY IS TYPICALLY USE FEWER GALLONS PER DAY THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WOULD.

BUT THE BIG DIFFERENTIATOR IS JUST THE NUMBER OF UNITS.

AND RESIDENTIAL ALWAYS IS GOING TO BE A MUCH HIGHER USER THAN COMMERCIAL.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, GENERALLY, OKAY, I KNOW THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL USERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUPER HIGH, BUT THOSE ARE THE OUTLIERS.

YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN THE NORTH SHORE. SO THE NORTH SHORE STILL HAS IT, AS YOU MENTIONED, A LOT OF DEVELOPABLE AREA.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION ON WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR THE NORTH SHORE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I WILL SAY YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S AN SUP REQUIREMENT IN PLACE FOR APARTMENTS. I THINK COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAVE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN THE

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AND SO AND, YOU KNOW, SECOND TO THAT, PROBABLY THE DESIRE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL IN THE CITY TO DIVERSIFY THE TAX BASE.

SO I HOPE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, FEED INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

I DON'T THINK I'M OUT OF LINE. YOU KNOW, KIND OF MENTIONING THOSE, THOSE FACTS, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED PUBLICLY PREVIOUSLY.

THE QUESTION I HAVE, I THINK REALLY IS WITH SAPPHIRE BAY.

AND SO SAPPHIRE BAY IN PARTICULAR, YOU MENTIONED THIS PLAN HAD BEEN REVISED BACK IN 2015.

WAS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SAPPHIRE BAY PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THAT TIME.

YEAH, WE WERE VERY INVOLVED IN THAT. I'VE ADDED IT TO THE MODEL.

WE, WE WERE REVIEWING THEIR PLANS. THEY ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED PLANS TO THE CITY THAT HAD THEM CONSTRUCTING THREE NEW LIFT STATIONS.

AND WE WERE, WE KIND OF GAVE THEM AN IDEA OF LIKE, HEY, YOU COULD JUST DO ONE LIFT STATION HERE AND YOU COULD FEED THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH GRAVITY LINES. SO WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT DEVELOPER.

THEY HAD A TEMPORARY CONNECTION, WHICH TO A LINE THAT TOOK THE FLOW TO THE EAST SIDE LIFT STATION.

EVENTUALLY WE DID A DESIGN ON THE 24 INCH FORCE MAIN THAT GOES ACROSS MILLER ROAD.

SO IT DIVERTED THE FLOW THAT DIRECTION. BUT YES, I'VE, I'M SURE THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES IN IT.

SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT, IF YOU KNOW, THERE WERE ANY CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL PLANS FOR WHAT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED THERE.

I MEAN, I KNOW IT WAS A HOTEL AND MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY.

AND SO THAT WOULD ALSO BE REVISITED WHEN I UPDATE THE MODEL IS TO SEE IF THE PLANS FOR THAT.

RIGHT. AND I THINK BASED ON THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THAT AREA AS IT STANDS TODAY, PRIMARILY WHAT SHOULD BE BUILT THERE IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL.

PRETTY MUCH ALL THE MULTIFAMILY HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED, AND BY COMMERCIAL, IT COULD BE 1 OR 2 HOTELS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, WHICH IS, I GUESS, A PSEUDO RESIDENTIAL USER AS WELL.

SO I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LINE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LAKE, SOUTH OF THE EAST SIDE LIFT STATION, KIND OF WENT ALONG THE, THE LAKESHORE THERE. AND THAT WAS BACK 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO.

I BELIEVE YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE LINE THAT THE PHASE ONE OF THE 66.

OH, YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT LINE COMES DOWN 66 AND THEN TURNS AND GOES UP THE LAKESHORE.

YEAH. GOES SOUTH DOWN THE LAKESHORE. RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL IT'S FLOWING. IT'S FLOWING NORTH. FLOWING NORTH.

RIGHT. SORRY. YES. THE AREA BETWEEN MILLER AND BASICALLY.

YES. GOT IT. THAT'S THE PHASE ONE, THE DOWNSTREAM END PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY, WHICH IS THE PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, WHERE IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOW ROCK ALL THE WAY.

WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY DOWN INTO THE. AND SO SAPPHIRE BAY USED TO FLOW THAT WAY, BUT NOW IT FLOWS ACROSS.

MILLER. IT FLEW TEMPORARILY. WE CALCULATED LIKE HOW MANY HOUSES COULD DEVELOP BEFORE THEY NEEDED TO REROUTE IT BECAUSE YOU HAD CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS ON, I THINK IT WAS A 15 INCH LINE THAT WAS THAT IT TIED INTO TEMPORARILY, BUT THAT WAS JUST TO GIVE THE CITY ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE FORCEMAIN ACROSS THE LAKE BUILT.

AND SO HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT TYPICALLY IS REQUIRED BEFORE WE DO ONE OF THESE MODEL UPDATES, RIGHT? WE DID 1 IN 2015. SAPPHIRE BAY IS A MAJOR THING.

WE DIDN'T DO ONE WITH THE CHANGES TO SIGNATURE GATEWAY, DESPITE THAT BEING APPROVED.

I THINK IN 2018, 2017 ONE DIDN'T HAPPEN THERE.

WE JUST DID FLOW MONITORING. WE DIDN'T DO ONE.

WHEN THE JACKSON SHAW DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED IN THE NORTH SHORE, AND IT CAME WITH A BUNCH OF WAREHOUSES RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MORE COMMERCIAL USERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER VOLUME USERS.

JPI IS A MAJOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN THE NORTH OR IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY.

SO AT WHAT POINT AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS COMING ONLINE, DOES THIS REVIEW HAPPEN OR SHOULD IT HAPPEN? YEAH. I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER, YOU KNOW, ON BASED ON HOW MANY, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH YOU HAVE LEFT TO BUILD OUT IN A CITY WITH A CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE VERY MUCH VACANT LAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE SUBSTANTIALLY.

BRALETTE STILL HAS A LOT OF DEVELOPABLE LAND. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS.

THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TO STEP BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S CHANGED, WHAT ACTUALLY GOT BUILT, WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE THINK THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE? AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE COORDINATION BETWEEN US AND THE CITIES, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND ENGINEERING AND COMING TO A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION FOR WHAT WE THINK IT WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE TOO CONSERVATIVE AND OVERBUILD YOUR SYSTEM, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE MISTAKE OF UNDERESTIMATING THE FLOW EITHER.

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RIGHT. AND TO THAT POINT, IT SEEMS MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO MAKE MORE FREQUENT UPDATES TO YOUR MODEL SO THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD BEAD ON WHAT'S NEEDED, AS OPPOSED TO BEING IN THE POSITION WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A GOOD CHOICE TO DO THIS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY LAID OUT IN A PLAN THAT WE'RE STRATEGICALLY ADDRESSING THIS, THIS.

SH66 AREA. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE WITH CITY STAFF, SO.

SURE. YEAH. AND I'M MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. AND IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WEST SIDE.

AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING ISSUE.

THE DISAPPOINTING PART IS THAT AND ADMITTEDLY, I HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL DURING THIS TIME, THE FACT THAT WE CHOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WAS A KNOWN PROBLEM TO ME IS VERY FRUSTRATING.

AND I KNOW THAT WASN'T YOUR DECISION. I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT DECISION BEING MADE, BUT THE FACT THAT IT WAS MADE AND WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT IS, IS REALLY DISHEARTENING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GETS US IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO PUT BAND-AIDS ON BAND-AIDS.

CHRISTOPHE, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION WITH MY UNDERSTANDING OF BEST PRACTICE.

AND THAT IS THAT, OF COURSE, WHEN YOU DEVELOP A MODEL, YOU MAKE A SET OF ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT GROWTH, FUTURE LAND USE, ETC. AND IN MY OPINION, WHENEVER YOU'RE CONSIDERING A DECISION THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THOSE ASSUMPTIONS, THAT'S THE TIME TO REVIEW THAT DECISION ALONG WITH THAT ANALYSIS OF ITS POTENTIAL IMPACT ON YOUR MODEL.

AND THAT'S THE SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THAT WHEN YOU COME IN FOR AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, AND THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION THAT WAS USED, WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT INTO MULTIFAMILY, THAT IMPACT ON THAT SYSTEM AND HOW IT FLOWS DOWNSTREAM TO OTHER UPGRADES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD BE PART OF THAT ANALYSIS AND PART OF THAT DECISION.

AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE JUST CONSIDERED, AND WE JUST HAVE TALKED ABOUT, IS THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL HOMES AND ANNEXATION UP IN THE TRAILS OF COTTONWOOD.

AND THAT'S ONLY 80 HOMES. IT'S PROBABLY NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THE FLOW FROM THAT PART OF THE CITY.

AND THERE ALREADY HAS BEEN AN UPSIZING TO THE LIFT STATION AND THAT WHOLE PART OF THE CITY.

BUT THAT DOES ADD ADDITIONAL FLOW. AND IT'S QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSCIOUS TO ASK, PROBABLY WITH EVERY CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. SO COUNCIL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE RELATED TO EITHER OF THESE ISSUES? AND AGAIN, THERE IS A RECOMMENDED PATH FORWARD UP ON THE SCREEN, WHICH IS TO PROCEED WITH THE TARGETED REPLACEMENT OF THE DETERIORATED AREAS AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WASTEWATER MODEL UPDATE. THAT'S NOT A DECISION WE'LL MAKE TONIGHT.

THAT'S FOR TOMORROW. BUT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT DECISION OR THOSE DECISIONS.

I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. IT KIND OF FOLLOW POINTS ALONG MR. CARTER'S MR. HOLSTON'S COMMENTS. THE THING THAT'S ALWAYS TROUBLESOME TO ME IS IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE, THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO AS YOU DO IT, YOU LOG EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE.

YOU MADE A COMMENT EARLIER THAT YOU WEREN'T SURE.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS DURING PART OF THE 66 COMPONENT.

YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE THE PIPING DOWN THERE WAS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD DONE SOME REPAIR WORK OR WHAT THE DEAL WAS, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. MY ONLY POINT HERE BEING IS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO LOG ALL THAT STUFF ADEQUATELY ENOUGH. NOT IMPLYING YOU DON'T.

I'M JUST SIMPLY TRYING TO SAY AS A CAUTION THAT WE KEEP SITE WITH THAT FUTURE LOOKS LIKE THAT YOU CAN GO PLAN FOR THAT, BUT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S UNDERGROUND. THIS IS NOT MY WORLD AT ALL ON THIS COMPONENT OF IT.

BUT PLANNING IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND THE PIECES THAT GO DOWN AND MAYOR YOU MENTIONED THE SAPPHIRE BAY PIECE.

I KNOW AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME WORK.

HOPEFULLY WE'RE ALL BLESSED PROPERLY TO RUN A LINE DOWN DOW ROCK.

HOPEFULLY IT'S JUST INTENDED TO BE FOR JUST WATER ONLY OR FOR OR THE THE SEWER ASPECTS AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW JUST BUT ALWAYS PLANNING FOR THESE PIECES.

I KNOW IT'S VERY HARD. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S A COMMON SENSE SIDE THAT SAYS, BE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHAT'S DOWN THERE, BUT TO KEEP TRACK OF EVERYTHING.

AND I'M A BIG PLANNER OF GOING WITH MORE IS BETTER THAN LESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST FACTORS ARE FOR THAT COMPONENT, BUT I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ONE THAT WOULD DEFINITELY FAVOR INSIDE OF THOSE KIND OF COMPONENTS. AGAIN, NOT KNOWING MUCH ABOUT THEM. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT REPAIR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE'RE UNSURE, I'M UNSURE WHAT THE PIPE TYPE IS. I'VE INQUIRED WITH THE CITY.

I MEAN, IT WAS AN EMERGENCY BASIS. LIKE YOU HAD AN OVERFLOW FROM THE PIPE BREAKING.

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I HAVE ASKED THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE I HAVEN'T ASKED THE RIGHT PERSON.

YOU WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE WRITTEN DOWN LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE INSTALLED, AND THIS IS HOW FAR WE WENT AND WHERE WE STARTED AND WHEN WE STOPPED. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. SO IF I'M JUST MAKING SOME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO SOMEONE MENTIONED, OH, IT WAS 36 INCH PVC THAT WE GRABBED AND USED, WHICH HAS A, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, IT HAS A DIFFERENT INSIDE DIAMETER THAN THE DUCTILE IRON IS NOT IDEAL. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT AFFECT THINGS LIKE THAT, INCLUDING WHAT PRESSURE RATING THE PIPE IS.

AND SO I JUST DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. AND I DON'T I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE THAT. THE CITY HAS RECORDS ON IT.

I MEAN, IT'S THERE'S NO PLANS. IT WAS EMERGENCY REPAIR AND THEY JUST DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO GET THE PIPE BACK INTO WORKING CONDITION.

IDEALLY, OUR GIS SHOULD BE THE ENCYCLOPEDIA. IT SHOULD BE THE BIBLE FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT, ZONING, INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL OF THAT. BUT IF INFORMATION IS NOT CAPTURED AND RECORDED, TO YOUR POINT, IT DOESN'T DOESN'T EXIST. I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF WE COULD FIND THE INVOICE FROM THAT AND SEE IF IT WAS DETAILED ON THE INVOICE.

IT IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN, BUT IF THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT OR INVOICE THAT MAYBE SAID THAT MAYBE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

YES, MAYBE WE'LL PULL THAT. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORKED HERE A LONG TIME THAT WERE HERE.

I MEAN, WE'LL KNOW VERY SOON BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DIG DOWN AND FIND IT RIGHT. SO IT WON'T WON'T BE LONG. AND WE'LL KNOW WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

COUNCIL WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? CARTER WELL, I RECALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE ENCOUNTERED AN A MATTER REGARDING SOME DRAWINGS AND THAT THERE WERE SOME DRAWINGS DONE FOR A CONTRACTOR TO DO A BID THAT HAPPENED TO BE A SCREENING WALL MADE OUT OF BRICK.

AND THE DRAWINGS WERE INCORRECT AFTER THE BID, WHICH HAS CAUSED SOME ISSUES.

SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAWINGS ARE CORRECT, ACCURATE, AND THAT WE DON'T ENCOUNTER THAT KIND OF ISSUE ON THIS PROJECT.

SO WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT. AND ONE THING WE CAN DO IS PROVIDE CONTINGENCY INSIDE THE PLANS SO WE CAN IDENTIFY THE LENGTH OF PIPE THAT WE THINK NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

AND ALSO AS PART OF THE BID, YOU WOULD HAVE A CONTINGENCY FOR ADDITIONAL LENGTH OF PIPE THAT COULD BE ADDED ON WITHOUT REQUIRING A CHANGE ORDER.

THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD TV THE PIPE ONCE YOU HAVE THE FLOW OFF OF IT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE DISCUSSING AS PART OF PUTTING THESE PLANS TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK WITH CHANGE ORDERS HERE TO COUNCIL ONCE THE PROJECT HAS BEEN BID. YES, THAT PIPE CONTINGENCY WILL BE A BID ALTERNATE, SO WE WON'T HAVE TO GO OUT FOR BID OR STOP THE PROJECT FOR A CHANGE ORDER. IT'LL HELP SPEED THE PROJECT UP.

WE DO. TOMORROW NIGHT ON COUNCIL. WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A CAMERA VAN TO DO PREVENTATIVELY, CHECK SEWER LINES, TV LINES. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET AHEAD OF THE.

THE INCIDENT ON LIBERTY GROVE IS TO DO A CONDITION ASSESSMENT THROUGH THE TV AND THE CAMERA OF.

AND RECORDING THEM, SO WE. COUNCIL APPROVED EXTRA STAFF TO HELP MITIGATE SPOT REPAIRS, EMERGENCY REPAIRS.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENT IN PEOPLE AND THE MACHINERY TO AVOID THIS IN THE FUTURE.

DOES THE. I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE. I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT.

THAT CONTINGENCY IS ONE THING, BUT MAKING SURE THAT YOU ON YOUR END HAVE DESIGNED AND DRAWN WHAT IS CORRECT AND ACCURATE AND THAT YOU HAVE REVIEWED THAT AND THAT OUR STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT, THAT WE DON'T GET TO THE END OF THE PROJECT ONLY TO FIND OUT WHO WE DRAW THE WE DREW THE WRONG THING. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE DESIGN SUBMITTALS, CHECKPOINTS WHERE CITY STAFF REVIEWS IT.

WE HAVE MEETINGS. WE GO OVER IT USUALLY 30, 60, 90% PLANS BEFORE WE GET TO THE 100%.

AND WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN A PARTNER OF THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT GIVES YOU SOME KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE AND BACKGROUND THAT SOME OF OUR OTHER VENDORS MAY NOT HAVE.

BUT AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HESITANCY AND RESERVATION ABOUT JUST SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE RECENTLY.

AND SO THOSE THINGS ARE EVER PRESENT IN THE, IN THE FRONT OF OUR MIND, NOT EVEN IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND.

THEY'RE EVER PRESENT IN THE FRONT OF OUR MIND. SO THAT'S THE LENS THROUGH WHICH WE'RE ASKING MANY OF THESE QUESTIONS. SO PLEASE DON'T,

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DOES THE MODEL UPDATE INCLUDE ANY INSPECTING OF ANY PIPE AT ALL OR IS IT STRICTLY A FLOW CAPACITY DEVELOPMENT. IT IS A FLOW CAPACITY DEVELOPMENT.

WE DON'T DO FIELD INSPECTIONS OF THE UNDERGROUND PORTION.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SUB OUT IF WE WERE DOING IT.

BUT WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THAT WITH, WITH THIS IT WAS DONE IN 2010, 2011.

YES. YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS CONVERSATION.

TANGENTIAL TO KIND OF ALL OF OUR WASTEWATER WOES HAS BEEN AN EYE AND EYE ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN FACED WITH AND HEARING NOW.

AND AM I TO UNDERSTAND THE LINE THAT RUNS FROM LIBERTY GROVE DOWN TO THE WEST SIDE LIFT STATION, IT'S UNDER THE LAKE AND IT'S A GRAVITY LINE. IT'S NOT UNDER THE LAKE.

IT'S JUST NEXT TO THE LAKE, NEXT TO THE LAKE.

IT'S A GRAVITY LINE AND IT'S A GRAVITY LINE, WHICH BY NATURE WOULD HAVE GASES IN IT.

MOST OF THE TIME. RIGHT. WHICH COULD ERODE THE LINE.

AND IF IT'S SITTING UNDER OR NEAR THE LAKE. BE A GREAT PLACE FOR WATER TO INFILTRATE FROM THE LAKE INTO THE SEWER LINE.

SO THAT'S NOT A DUCTILE IRON PIPE. THAT'S NOT A DUCTILE IRON PIPE.

OKAY. AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT LINE IS I GUESS WE ASSUME THAT LINE IS IN GOOD SHAPE.

IT HAS IT BEEN IN WE'RE PROBABLY OFF THE AGENDA HERE.

SO I'M GOING TO STOP. BUT IONIZED SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP FRONT OF MIND AS WELL WITH THIS CONVERSATION.

COUNCIL OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. WELL WE WILL HAVE THIS ON TOMORROW'S AGENDA.

CORRECT. SO MAYOR, DO YOU FORESEE ANOTHER PRESENTATION? I WANT TO JUST COUNCIL WOULD WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS TOMORROW DURING OUR REGULAR SESSION, OR ARE WE GOOD TO APPROVE THIS UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IS IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA CURRENTLY OR IS IT A SEPARATE.

IT'S ON CONSENT. OKAY. DOES ANYONE WISH TO PULL THIS ONE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? A PRESENTATION. OKAY. I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS. WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE. C RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING SECTION 77.8.

[3.C. Receive a presentation regarding Section 77-811 [Minor Modifications] of the Rowlett Development Code.]

ALLISON, ARE YOU GOING TO KIND OF DIVE RIGHT IN HERE? YES.

OKAY, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS, AND WE'LL COME BACK AT 7:42 P.M..

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SORRY. NO PROBLEM.

OKAY. SO YOU KNOW HOW WE DO. ARE WE ABLE TO.

OKAY. IS THAT WAY? YES. OUR. THE NEW PLAN. OKAY.

SO. YEAH. AND I THINK TOMORROW WE PLAN ON TALKING TO CHRIS.

BUT WE ALSO ARE REORGANIZING OUR WHOLE STRUCTURE.

AND I THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT CAUSED THE MAJOR CIVIL WAR.

SO OUR CASE FILE FOLDER IS WITHIN OUR ACTUAL PROJECTS.

IT WAS NEVER ORGANIZED WHERE IT WAS LIKE MARKUPS AND HISTORICAL DATA.

SO BASICALLY THE PASSAGE NUMBERS, ALL OF THE FILES ARE IN THERE.

AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE 200 VIDEOS. AND SO WE WANT TO KNOW HOW WE CAN TRY ALL THESE. AND LIKE IN OUR CASE TOGETHER, WE'RE BREAKING IT DOWN. IN THERE. AND OBVIOUSLY ANYWHERE WE DRAG IT, WE WERE LIKE, YEAH.

OKAY, SURE. I CAN'T. I CAN'T. IT'S

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WE JUST HAVE WE HAVE THESE.

KIND OF. THINGS LIKE IF I SAY SOMETHING TO YOU.

I FEEL LIKE IT ENDS UP IN DIFFERENT PLACES. AND I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY. YEAH. IT'S. THANK YOU. YEAH.

EXACTLY. YOU.

KNOW, I. WONDER IF THAT'S. SOMETHING.

THAT. I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS VERSION.

YEAH, I'VE GOT TOO MUCH STUFF. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU.

YEAH. YEAH, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO IT. I WON'T.

I SAID I'M SICK OF PEOPLE. AND I DON'T FEEL SO BAD.

NO. YOU'RE RIGHT.

YEAH. BUT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW. OKAY.

WE'RE GOING TO WAIT FOR YOU. IT'S GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU.

BUT I THOUGHT I WAS ALREADY PREPARING. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, WE'RE BACK IN OUR WORK SESSION AT 7:47 P.M., CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM THREE C. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO REPEAL SECTION 77-811, WHICH ESTABLISHES THE MINOR MODIFICATIONS PROCESS WITHIN THE ROLLA DEVELOPMENT CODE AS PART OF STAFF'S REVIEW. WE DETERMINED THAT THE CURRENT SECTION LACKS CLEAR STANDARDS AND CREATES UNNECESSARY AMBIGUITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

REPEALING THIS SECTION WILL IMPROVE CONSISTENCY AND PREDICTABILITY AND CONTINUE PROCESSING DEVELOPMENT REQUESTS THROUGH OUR ALREADY ESTABLISHED REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCEDURES IN THE. THAT ARE ALREADY REFLECTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AS PART OF ONGOING. ORDNANCE MAINTENANCE EFFORTS.

STAFF REVIEWED SECTION 77-811 TO EVALUATE HOW IT FUNCTIONS IN PRACTICE.

DURING THAT REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT CLEARLY DEFINE WHAT ACTUALLY QUALIFIES AS A MINOR MODIFICATION, AND IT ALSO REFERENCES BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL AS POTENTIAL APPROVAL AUTHORITIES.

HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T ESTABLISH WHEN EACH BODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THESE DECISIONS, AND THESE DEFICIENCIES CREATE UNCERTAINTY FOR APPLICANTS, STAFF, DECISION MAKERS AND MAKE THE SECTION DIFFICULT TO ADMINISTER CONSISTENTLY.

STAFF IDENTIFIED FOUR PRIMARY CONCERNS FIRST, THAT THE CODE PROVIDES NO OBJECTIVE, OBJECTIVE STANDARDS TO DETERMINE WHAT A MINOR MODIFICATION IS. SECOND, ALTHOUGH THE ORDINANCE REFERS TO BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE CITY COUNCIL, IT DOES NOT ESTABLISH WHETHER EACH BODY HAS APPROVAL, AUTHORITY OR.

WHEN THEY DO. THIRD, WITHOUT OBJECTIVE CRITERIA CRITERIA, SIMILAR REQUESTS CAN BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY,

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AND THEN THESE ISSUES CREATE UNNECESSARY ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLEXITY AND UNCERTAINTY REGARDING THE APPLICABLE REVIEW PROCESS FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS. SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS BEING IT IS BEING PROPOSED TO REPEAL THIS IN ITS ENTIRETY. RATHER THAN REVISE THIS AMENDMENT AS IT IS SHOWN IN THIS CHART I CREATED HERE.

THE LEFT SIDE IS HOW SECTION 77811 IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY FOR SMALL DEVELOPMENT REQUESTS.

THAT'S BASICALLY THE EXTENT OF THE DEFINITION WE HAVE FOR IT.

HOWEVER, AS SHOWN TO THE RIGHT, IT CAN BE SEEN THAT THE CODE ALREADY CONTAINS MULTIPLE ESTABLISHED REVIEW PROCESSES THAT PROVIDE THESE SAME FLEXIBILITIES.

THESE INCLUDE ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS, ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS, PLAN REVIEW PLAT APPROVALS, ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, PLAT AMENDMENTS, VARIANCES, BASICALLY EVERY AMENDMENT, PDS, ETC.

BECAUSE THESE EXISTING MECHANISMS ALREADY ADDRESS THE TYPES OF REQUESTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE FALL UNDER THE MINOR MODIFICATION SECTION.

MAINTAINING IT IN ITS SEPARATE STATE IS NOT NECESSARY.

REPEALING THIS SECTION REMOVES THAT DUPLICATIVE PROCESS, WHILE CONTINUING TO RELY ON THE PROCEDURES THAT ARE ALREADY CLEARLY ESTABLISHED AND USED WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE. AS MENTIONED, THIS WOULD PROVIDE SEVERAL BENEFITS REPEALING IT.

SOME OF THOSE BEING. ELIMINATING THOSE AMBIGUOUS REVIEW STANDARDS, CLARIFYING THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS, IMPROVING THE CONSISTENCY AND PREDICTABILITY AMONG DEVELOPMENT REQUESTS FOLLOWING THOSE CLEARLY ESTABLISHED REVIEW PROCEDURES.

ULTIMATELY, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CREATES MORE EFFICIENT AND PREDICTABLE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR BOTH THE APPLICANTS AND THE CITY, AND FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN PUTTING AN APPLICATION IN.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THIS ITEM DURING ITS JULY 28TH WORK SESSION MEETING, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED REPEAL OF SECTION 77-811, AS THE AMENDMENT WILL APPROVE CLARITY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE APPLICANTS WITH THE EXISTING MECHANISMS AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS DEVELOPMENT CHANGES AND REQUESTS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALLISON. COUNCIL. WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? I'VE GOT ONE. AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT BECAUSE I SAW A LETTER I REFERRED TO AS DEMAND LETTER RELATED TO THE WARWICK SITUATION.

DOES THIS IMPACT WARWICK SITUATION IN ANY WAY? NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, IS IT BEING DONE BECAUSE OF WARWICK SITUATION.

I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE ADDRESS THAT. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE WARWICK SITUATION, SIR. NO ONE? NO. OKAY. COUNCIL. OTHER QUESTIONS? CARTER. YEAH. JUST GENERALLY, IS THERE ANY BENCHMARKING WITH THIS POLICY AGAINST ANY OTHER CITIES? HAVE YOU COMPARED OUR POLICIES AGAINST OTHER CITIES AND WORDING AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE WANT BEST PRACTICES HERE.

SO HAVE YOU REVIEWED IT AGAINST ANYWHERE ELSE? ABSOLUTELY. SO IN LOOKING THROUGH SOME SURROUNDING CITY ORDINANCES, I FOUND THE MINOR MODIFICATION PROCESS TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO A LOT OF THESE ESTABLISHED REVIEW PROCEDURES, AS I MENTIONED, BUT NOT MUCH EVIDENCE OF A SPECIFIC ENTITLEMENT OF MINOR MODIFICATION IN SOME OF THESE SURROUNDING CITIES. SO I THINK WE ALWAYS WANT TO ENGINEER AGAINST ONE OFFS AND SPECIAL THINGS.

AND SO I'M LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY THAT, YOU KNOW, ROWLETT IS KNOWN TO BE CONSISTENT.

WE'RE NOT A ONE OFF. WE DON'T HAVE A CODE FOR ONE THING, BUT THAT WE'RE GENERALLY YOU KNOW, USUAL AND CUSTOMARY IS ACCEPTED HERE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE USING THAT SORT OF STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT? ABSOLUTELY. AND IN LOOKING AT SOME OF CITY RECORDS WHERE MINOR MODIFICATIONS HAD BEEN USED, STAFF OBSERVED THAT 1 OR 2 OF THE AFOREMENTIONED REVIEW PROCEDURES THAT ARE FOUND IN OUR ORDINANCE COULD HAVE APPLIED TO THOSE.

SO MOST OF THESE SITUATIONS WHERE MINOR MODIFICATION WOULD BE USED, THERE IS MULTIPLE ALTERNATIVES.

AND WHAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THIS CHANGE? HOW DID YOU COME ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE THESE CHANGES?

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AND SO GOING GOING BACK TO THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE SECTION COMPARED TO OUR RTC IT WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE IT IS VERY SILENT TO A LOT OF THESE STRICT PROCEDURES THAT STAFF FOLLOWS WHEN IT COMES TO NOTICING ITEMS AND GETTING THEM BEFORE THE BOARD.

AND GENERALLY YOU FEEL THAT THIS MAKES IT BETTER.

REMOVING THE SECTION. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. REPEALING IT.

I APOLOGIZE. ALLISON DID. DID ANYONE ON STAFF GO THROUGH THE THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE CODE THAT BOTH CREATED AND AMENDED THIS SECTION OF THE RDC OVER TIME TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S A REASON THAT THIS PARTICULAR FUNCTION IS A PART OF OUR CODE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE PULLED THAT FAR BACK.

I KNOW I STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS PRETTY EARLY ON AFTER STARTING UP.

I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT PRECEDED TIME OF A LOT OF STAFF THAT.

OH, SURE. YEAH. OBSERVATION WITH ME. SO FOR INSTANCE, I WAS JUST I LOOKED AT THE MOST RECENT UPDATE BECAUSE IT'S THE ONE THAT'S THE EASIEST TO GET TO WITHOUT GOING INTO LASERFICHE. AND IT'S FROM 2009.

IT'S THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENT, BUT IT'S A MUCH LARGER AMENDMENT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THEY PULLED TOGETHER SIMILAR TO WHAT RICHARD IS DOING, PULLED TOGETHER THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, MEMBERS OF STAFF AND THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THEY KIND OF ALL WORK TOGETHER TO TO REFORM AND UPDATE, PROVIDE MANY, MANY UPDATES TO A WHOLE SWATH OF THE CODE AS OPPOSED TO JUST THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY SORT OF REASON THAT THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CODE JUST EXISTED, OTHER THAN IT JUST PROBABLY GOT DRAFTED IN AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW CODE WAS WRITTEN AT THE TIME.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND THINK OF IT, YOU KNOW, THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED A LOT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE AMBIGUITY IN THE SECTION, IT MAY HAVE BEEN TO PREVENT THE NEED FOR MULTIPLE FORMS OF RELIEF, WHERE IF THEY HAD THIS KIND OF BLANKET STATEMENT FOR SOME OF THESE GENERAL PROJECTS, WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS WEREN'T VERY COMMON WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THIS KIND OF MAYBE COVERED ALL THAT UNDER ONE TERM.

GOT IT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS BEEN USED IN, SAY, THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

I THINK MY RECORD RESEARCH WENT BACK ABOUT THREE YEARS AND THERE WAS THREE OF THEM, BUT ONE OF THEM, YES. AND ONE OF THEM ENDED UP ACTUALLY GETTING TABLED AND THEN NEVER BROUGHT BACK BECAUSE OF THE INCONSISTENCY IN WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED AND WHAT WAS DISPLAYED IN THE ORDINANCE. GOT IT. AND DO YOU RECALL IF THOSE WERE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL OR TO THE ZONING COMMISSION? I KNOW FOR A FACT ONE WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL, BUT THE PROCESS IN WHICH IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL WAS VERY INCONSISTENT.

THERE WAS VERY LITTLE RECORD ON IT. GOT IT. AND, CARTER, YOU GOT MY QUESTION ANSWERED ON THE IMPETUS FOR THIS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. IS THERE A REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS NOW AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF INCORPORATING THIS WITH THE WHOLE RECODE UPDATE? IS IT MORE URGENT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT URGENCY.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED BETWEEN ME AND MENAUL PREVIOUSLY.

AND I THINK IT REALLY THE CONVERSATION KICKED OFF BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS FLAGGED ON A PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT HAPPENED TO BE A MINOR MODIFICATION, AND WE COULDN'T FIND MUCH EVIDENCE BEHIND THE DECISION TO GO WITH THIS SORT OF PROCESS.

GOT IT. OKAY. COUNCIL. OTHER QUESTIONS. MAYOR.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPETUS WAS FOR IT TO BE IN CODE, BUT VERY FREQUENTLY IN THE YOU KNOW, THERE ARE IT'S NOT COMMON, BUT IN THE CITIES THAT DO HAVE A MINOR MODIFICATION PROCEDURE, IT'S VERY OFTEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN OVERWORKED BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR BECAUSE THERE'S SOME LACK OF TRUST IN ADMINISTRATIVE DETERMINATIONS. SO THAT'S PUT IN PLACE KIND OF AS A SAFETY VALVE FOR THOSE.

BUT IN OUR IN OUR CASE, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION IS PRETTY POORLY DRAFTED AND IS REALLY AMBIGUOUS AND INCONSISTENT.

AND SO IT LEADS TO BASICALLY AN ISSUE OF WHETHER THE APPLICANT'S BEING GIVEN THE RIGHT FORM OF RELIEF, SHOULD THEY BE SENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, OR SHOULD THEY BE SENT TO THE COUNCIL.

SO I THINK WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IN JUST REQUESTING REPEAL IS KIND OF CLEAN UP A MESSY PROCESS.

MARVIN. ALLISON, DID YOU SAY A WHILE AGO THAT Y'ALL DID DO SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT OTHER CITIES STILL HAVE THIS IN THEIR CODE?

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I THOUGHT MR. HOLSTON HAD ASKED IF, WHEN YOU DID RESEARCH ON THIS, DIDN'T YOU? CHECKED US AGAINST OTHER CITIES THAT YOU DID FIND IT IN OTHER CITIES, OR DID YOU NOT? NO, I SAID, I JUST CHECKED BRIEFLY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND I DID NOT SEE IT SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN CODES.

I KNOW IT DOES EXIST, BUT I WAS JUST COMPARING TO SURROUNDING CITIES.

THERE ARE A FEW THAT THAT HAVE THAT PROCEDURE.

MOST OF THEM HAVE IT VERY WELL DEFINED. IT ONLY APPLIES IN CERTAIN VERY WELL DEFINED.

WANTED A 5% WAIVER ON SETBACK. YOU KNOW, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND SHOW HARDSHIP ETCETERA. YOU COULD DO IT THROUGH THIS THIS KIND OF PROCEDURE.

BUT AGAIN, OURS OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE THAT SPECIFICITY.

AND I THINK ANOTHER REASON IT WAS KIND OF LOOKED INTO A LITTLE MORE DEEP WHEN DISCUSSING WHETHER TO REVISE OR REPEAL.

MOST FORMS OF RELIEF OR MODIFICATION FROM THE CODE DO REQUIRE THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO BE NOTICED AND GONE THROUGH.

AND THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALL GONE THROUGH THE MINOR MODIFICATION REVIEW PROCEDURE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC NOTICE OR RECEIVE PARTIAL PUBLIC NOTICE.

AND THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT WAS FLAGGED INSTANTLY, WHICH IS WHY THIS WAS ALL KIND OF BROUGHT TO A HEAD RIGHT NOW.

MARVIN, I THINK MAYBE WHAT YOU HEARD BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CRAZY, BY THE WAY, YOU DEFINITELY HEARD SOMETHING.

I THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD WAS THAT ALISON SAID UNDER THE FEW INSTANCES WHERE THIS WAS USED, OTHER CITIES HAVE A MECHANISM DIFFERENT THAN THE MINOR MODIFICATION WHERE IT CAN BE HANDLED.

IS THAT. YEAH. SO I REFERENCED I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, BUT WHEN I THINK I KIND OF MAYBE MESHED THE SENTENCES TOGETHER, WHEN I DID MY REVIEW OF HOW OUR CODE READS AND THE THREE PROJECTS THAT HAD UTILIZED THIS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.

ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS COULD HAVE FALLEN UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF 2 OR 1 MORE ESTABLISHED PROCESSES THAT A CITY HAS USED FOR MANY YEARS THAT HAVE CLEAR PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE.

COUNCIL. OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS ALSO ON TOMORROW'S AGENDA.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR. THIS WILL NOT BE GOING FORWARD TOMORROW.

AGENDA. OKAY. COUNCIL IS THEIR DESIRE TO SEE THIS BACK ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL.

ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT IDEA? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO BRING THAT BACK TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IF WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

DOES THIS REQUIRE ANY PUBLIC HEARING? YES, BECAUSE IT'S A ZONING CHANGE.

YEAH. TEXT AMENDMENT. WE WILL HAVE TO DO ALL THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. HAS THIS.

THIS HASN'T ALREADY GONE BEFORE. PLANNING AND ZONING? NO. NO, SIR. SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL. SO THIS WILL BE SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE YOU'RE BACK WITH THIS. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALLISON. WE APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL, WITH THAT, WE HAVE FOUND THE END OF OUR AGENDA. ALMOST BEFORE WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR TOMORROW'S MEETING, SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT WE WISH TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION?

[6. Discuss Consent Agenda Items for September 1, 2026, City Council Meeting]

I DON'T HAVE A FIVE C ON MY AGENDA. IS THAT FIVE B? I'M SORRY, B5B OKAY. YES. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY CALL THAT ITEM INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TOMORROW BEFORE WE CONSIDER THAT ITEM.

ACTUALLY I'D LIKE IT TONIGHT BEFORE IT GETS HEARD IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

VICTORIA, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO? IT'S ON TOMORROW'S AGENDA, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE IT TOMORROW.

IT CAN BE BEFORE THE. EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE THE ITEM.

BUT IT HAS TO BE TOMORROW'S. SO CAN YOU I'M SORRY.

CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON AND JUST RESTATE. THERE WAS MORE THERE THAN I WAS WILLING TO TRY TO RESTATE FOR YOU. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, TO, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE WHEN THE LEGAL ADVICE IS NOT NOTICED ON THE AGENDA, IT HAS TO BE ONLY FOR AN, FOR AN ITEM THAT'S ON THAT AGENDA AND IT'S NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

SO WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT TONIGHT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT YOU CAN DISCUSS IT TOMORROW IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM FOR TOMORROW.

[01:50:05]

SO WHEN YOU SAY BEFORE THE AGENDA ITEM, YOU MEAN BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY READ OR THERE'S A DISCUSSION.

YES. OKAY, SO I'LL NOTE THAT FOR TOMORROW BECAUSE I'VE GOT SEVERAL LEGAL QUESTIONS I NEED ADVICE ON TO.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE WANT PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE PULL ITEMS FOUR H AND FOUR I AND JUST PULL THEM AND NOT TAKE ANY ACTION ON EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS. OKAY. ON THAT NOTE, CAN WE PULL I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THE ONE RELATED TO THE VAN.

THAT WOULD BE FOUR F THE CAMERA VAN. YEAH, JUST FOR DISCUSSION.

I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT AND HEAR THAT. DID YOU WANT A PRESENTATION ON THAT ITEM? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. SO WE'LL BE PULLING 4F4H AND FOUR I FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, FOR EACH AND FOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO.

I THOUGHT HE WAS WITHDRAWN. I THOUGHT HE WAS. YEAH.

WELL, SORRY. BY INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, I MEAN JUST THEY WON'T BE APPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE'LL PULL THEM AND THEN.

YEAH. AND LET THEM DIE. YEAH. ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT, LET ME READ THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM INTO THE RECORD.

[4. Executive Session]

WILL CONVENE IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM HERE SHORTLY, AND WE WILL CONCLUDE OUR MEETING IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM FOLLOWING THAT ITEM. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. IT IS 10:08 P.M.. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS CONCLUDED ITEM FOUR A WITH NO ACTION TAKEN.

[5. Reconvene Into Open Session and Take Any Necessary or Appropriate Action on Closed/Executive Session Matters]