[1. Call to Order ] [00:00:07] >> WELCOME TO TONIGHT'S SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE DOING IT OUT OF CYCLE BECAUSE WE HAVE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT NEXT WEEK. TODAY IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2026, AND IT IS 6 LIFE-THREATENING . [2. Citizens’ Input ] CITY COUNCIL HAS A QUORUM PRESENT IN THE WORK SESSION ROOM. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS INPUT. I DO HAVE TWO REQUESTS TO SPEAK FORMS SO, NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL DURING CITIZEN'S INPUT. OUR FIRST SPEAK SENIOR MR. DAVE HOLE. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> OVER THE YEARS, THE STORM WATER RUNOFF INTO THE LAKE HAS BEEN IMPROPERLY DESIGNED AND BUILT UPON AS A RESULT A RECREATIONAL FISHERY HAS BEEN DESTROYED AND RESIDENTS PROPERTY HAS BEEN DAMAGED. THE CITY CONDUCTED THE PERMITS FOR AND SIGNED OFF ON THE INSPECTIONS FOR THIS FAILURE. PLEASE ENSURE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT FURTHER DAMAGE THIS WATER SHED. HERE IS A FUN FACT FOR THE WAY THAT ROWLETT HAS MANAGED CAPITAL PROJECTS. OUR SURVEYORS WENT INTO THE FIELD TO RESET THIS QUARTER PIN. THE PROPERTY OWNER CALLED THE COPS AND CHASED OUR SURVEYORS OFF, SO THEY DID NOT SET THIS CORNER PIN. OUR CREW MENTIONED THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS VERY ANGRY AND THREATENING SIGNED BY SO AND SO EIT CIVIL ENGINEERING. SO WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED. THEY WERE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO WHY WOULD THEY BE NEEDING TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY? THEY DID KNOW THAT IT WAS THE ORIGINAL RIGHT OF WAY AND NOT THE PROPOSED RIGHT. DID THE PROPERTY OWNER GIVE HIS NAME? THANK YOU. SIGNED SO AND SO,ICS ROWLETT STAFF. NEXT, BASED ON YOUR INITIAL DESCRIPTION WE THOUGHT YOU WERE NEEDING THE MOST NORTHEAST CORNER PIN ON THE PROPERTY SIDE. TO CLARIFY YOU NEED THE MOST SOUTHEAST CORNER PIN MARKED IN PINK ON THE ATTACHED PDF. IF THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT CORNER, PLEASE BE SPECIFIC. OUR SURVEY CREW TOLD ME THAT THE COPS WERE CALLED AND THE PROPERTY OWNER SAID SOMETHING OF THE LINES OF GET OFF MY PROPERTY. I'M NOT MAD AT YOU GUYS. I'M MAD AT HOW THE CITY HANDLED THIS. THE PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT GIVE HIS NAME. SIGNED SO AND SO, EIT CIVIL ENGINEERING. THE SO ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS WITH THIS ENGINEERING FIRM WAS A KAYAKING FRIEND OF MINE FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS. HE HELPED ME UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD OCCURRED WITH WHAT WAS AVAILABLE THROUGH OPEN RECORDS. HE EARNED HIS ENGINEERING DEGREE AT GEORGIA TECH. I PICKED UP ONE OF MY DEGREES DOWN THE ROAD AT ATHENS. ALSO THE NAME IN QUESTION IS ME, DAVE HOLE, AND I WAS NOT ANGRY OR THREATENING WITH MY KAYAK FRIEND OF 40 YEARS. WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS STUFF? THAT PROPERTY NEEDING THE CORNER PINS IS THE ONE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION OVER WHICH YOU RAN HEAVY CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, STORED TRASH, AND CHANGED THE DRAINAGE SO THE DRIVE WAS WASHED OUT TWICE. WAS REPLACE AD FEW YEARS AGO? THE OLD RAILS WERE LEFT ON MY PROPERTY AND EVENTUALLY YOU BURIED THEM ON MY PROPERTY WITH THE RAIL ENDS STICKING OUT. YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP. YOU HAVE TO GO TO ROWLETT TO SEE IT. I HOPE THIS PROJECT WILL BE MANAGED BETTER AND MANAGED WELL INTO THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> THAT, DAVE. >> FIRST OFF, CAN WE HAVE SOMEONE JUST BE SURE THAT THE MEETING IS ON -- THE MEETING IS NOT ON CAMERA RIGHT NOW. WE PICKED UP ALL THE AUDIO BECAUSE I SEE THE CLOSINGS CAN AING COMING THROUGH, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ON CAMERA. SO IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT STOCKFORD. >> I HAVE LIVED IN ROWLETT FOR 42 YEARS. I AM ONE OF THE ORIGINAL FOUNDERS OF ROWLETT HOCKEY 26 YEARS AGO BACK IN 1999. WE JUST RECENTLY CONDUCTED TWO WEEKENDS OF FREE CLINICS IN EARLY SEPTEMBER WHERE WE ALLOW KIDS TO COME OUT AND TRY HOCKEY AND GET OUTFITTED WITH SOME USED, DONATED GEAR. HOCKEY IS NOT A CHEAP SPORT TO PLAY UNLIKE SOCCER OR BASEBALL. WE MAKE IT AS EASY AS WE CAN FOR FIRST TIME PLAYERS TO OUR SPORT. THEN JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND WE HAD OUR EVALUATIONS. ALL THREE WEEKENDS WERE A HUGE SUCCESS. WE HAD 122 KIDS COME OUT FOR HOCKEY THIS YEAR. THAT IS 20 MORE THAN LAST YEAR, AND WE HAD 23 GIRLS THAT PLAYED, THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO PLAY. THAT IS MORE THAN DOUBLE THE TEN GIRLS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. HOWEVER, OF THE 122 YOUTH PLAYERS, ONLY 18 ARE SENSE OF ROWLETT. WITH THE ADULTS, ONLY 13% ARE ROWLETT CITIZENS STARTED LAST WEEK. WHY DO I BRING UP THESE NUMBERS? FIRST, THE WORD IS GETTING OUT THAT ROWLETT HAS HOCKEY. PARENTS AND ADULTS ARE COMING TO ROWLETT TO PLAY IN THIS LEAGUE, IN THIS CITY. WE HAVE LEARNED TO ADAPT TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT. WE BOUGHT THE ROCK WALLHOCKEY.COM DOMAIN [00:05:01] WHICH FORWARDS YOU TO OUR WEBSITE. IN LATE AUGUST WE PUT GARAGE SALE SIGNS ON ALL THE SCHOOLS ADVERTISING REGISTRATIONS NOW OPEN. YEARS AGO WE STARTED PUTTING OUT SIGNS THAT ALL OF THE ROCK WALL SCHOOLS WITH THE RO ROCKWALLHOCKEY.COM WEBSITE. MOST RECENTLY WE PUT THEM UP AT THE CITY SCHOOLS WITH THE WEBSITE, AND JUST THIS YEAR WE PUT ROCK WALL SIGNS AT ALL OF THE SCHOOLS ALONG WITH ALL OF THE ROWLETT HOCKEY SIGNS WE PUT AT ROWLETT SCHOOLS. JUST THIS YEAR WE ADDED WILY SCHOOLS TO THAT LIST WITH THE ROWLETT HOCKEY DOMAIN NAME. IN THE RECENT SURVEY, WE SAW THAT OF THE 338 SURVEY RESPONSES IN THE, QUOTE, WHICH ACTIVITY SHOULD BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY TO INCLUDE, 198 OF THE RESPONSES WERE FOR HOCKEY TO KEEP US WHERE WE'RE AT. OUR SEASON HAS BEGUN, AND WE WILL FINISH IN APRIL. THE EVERY NIGHT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY THE RINK IS UTILIZED. MONDAY WITH ADULT GAMES. TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY YOUTH PRACTICES. AND ON SATURDAYS OVER A HUNDRED FAMILIES, FRIENDS, GRANDPARENTS ARE COMING TO MAINSTREAM IN ROWLETT TO ENJOY ROWLETT HOCKEY. SO SUMMARIZE, IF WE WERE TO MOVE NOW THAT OUR SEASON HAS STARTED, DO WE WAIT UNTIL THE SEASON HAS ENDED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MEGAN. >> JUST WANTED TO BRING SOME ATTENTION TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE SOCCER FIELDS AT THE ROWLETT COMMUNITY PARK. THOUGH I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE HAD AN EXCEPTIONALLY DRY AND HOT SUMMER, THE CRACKS ARE ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS. IT MAKES IT UNSAFE TO EVEN GET TO THE FIELDS. AND THEN WE GO TRY TO PLAY ON A FIELD, OUR GAME HAS TO BE MOVED. YOU KNOW, MY 75-YEAR-OLD MOTHER CAN'T WATCH MY SON PLAY BECAUSE SHE WILL BREAK HER ANKLE IN A CRACK THAT'S 2 FEET DEEP. I THINK IT'S BEYOND JUST LETTING THE WATER FIX IT AGAIN. I THINK SOME TRUCKS AND SAND AND FILLER ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SOLVE T IT'S JUST VERY APPARENT, LIKE, WE ALSO IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY SOCCER CLUB, SO WE SHARE TEAMS WITH WILY. WE PLAY ON THEIR FIELDS FREQUENTLY. AND THEY JUST SEEM MUCH MORE WELL-MAINTAINED. AND UNLESS WE CAN GET THIS IN A BETTER CONDITION. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS IS ACTUALLY RIGHT THERE BEHIND YOU. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES IN THE HALLWAY JUST TO CHAT WITH HIM, IT MIGHT BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? [3.A. Receive a presentation regarding the Concept Plan for the Herfurth Park Design ] ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ALONG WITH OUR AGENDA TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEM 3A, RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE PARK PLAN. AND HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T JUST SEND RYAN OUT WHEN HE IS SUPPOSED TO PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. I SENT RYAN DOWN THE HALLWAY TO TALK TO A RESIDENT AND YEAH. >> INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION FOR SURE. >> OKAY, PERFECT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL. THIS IS SHIA MOHAMMED DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. THE TONIGHT WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU AN UPDATE REGARDING GRIFFITH PARK CONCEPTUAL DESIGN PLAN,ER, AND I WILL BE COVERING A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AND SOME OF THE BACKGROUND THAT GOT US INTO TODAY. WE WILL ALSO BE PRESENTING THE SURVEY RESULTS DATA, AND THE ANNOUNCEMENTS OF THAT. ALSO FROM THERE I WILL BE TRANSITIONING TO WITH US HERE ACTUALLY PRESENTED BY JAMES BEARD AND LUKE ARCHER HERE WITH WESTWOOD. THEY WILL BE SUPPORTING US WITH ANY QUESTIONS AND THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CONCEPT AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THE SURVEY RESULTS. SO THE HISTORY ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THERE WAS AS PART OF THE 2018 BOND PROGRAM, THERE WAS ABOUT $1.8 MILLION UNDER GRIFFITH PARK AT WHICH $1.1 MILLION OF THAT WAS SPENT TO DATE ON PHASE 1 AND SITE SURVEYS. THE REMAINING IS ABOUT 738 OR 62 THAT YOU SEE HERE. [00:10:14] FURTHER AFTER THE 2023 BOND PROGRAM, THERE WAS ABOUT $4 MILLION ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRIFFITH PARK AND THE PROPOSITION C. SO THE TOTAL AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT TODAY IS ABOUT $4.7 MILLION. AND ADDITIONALLY ON A SIDE NOTE THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER $557,000 AVAILABLE FOR A ROLLER HOCKEY RINK WHICH IS PART OF THIS PARK AND CAN BE TOWARDS THIS PROJECT AS WELL. IN REFERENCE TO THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN THAT WAS CREATED FOR THIS PARK AND I WANT TO MAKE CLARIFICATION. IT WAS A MASTER PLAN AND NOT A PART OF DESIGN. >> CAN I STOP YOU JUST THERE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE. THE COMMENT YOU JUST MADE IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. THE MASTER PLAN DESIGN IS WHAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT'S MORE OF AN ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GROUND WORK DESIGN WITH TOPOGRAPHICAL ANALYSIS AND ALL THAT. SO REALLY WHAT IS I MEAN CAN YOU IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? >> A MASTER PLAN IS MEANT TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND A CONCEPT, WHAT CAN BE, WHAT CAN THE SPACE LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW. WHAT CAN THEY USE OF THE SPACE. IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPT AND HOW IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THISES A CONCEPT OF THE RENDERING AT THE TIME. IT LOOKS AT OPTIONS, SCENARIOS, AND WHAT CAN FIT IN THE PLACE AS FAR AS THE USE. BUT DESIGN IS A FURTHER STEP THAT TAKES THIS MASTER PLAN INTO AN ACTUAL DESIGN THAT'S BUILDABLE. A PHASE IS NOT DESIGNABLE BUT IT IS A SECOND STEP THAT COMES AFTER THE MASTER PLAN. SO THIS WAS NOT TAKEN TO THE DESIGN LEVEL WHERE THERE ARE DETAILS, SCHEMATIC, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. >> SO CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME SPECIFICS ON WHAT WAS REALLY INCLUDED IN PHASE 1 BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAD SOME BALL FIELDS THAT WERE REMOVED. THE ROADWAY WAS REORIENTED. SOME OTHER THINGS WERE CHANGED. WHAT IS INCLUDED. >> REGARDING THE BACKGROUND WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE MASTER PLAN. >> I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HEARD IT AT THE COMMUNITY FORUM LAST WEEK ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHERE IT WENT. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THIS MASTER PLAN CAME TO SHAPE SO TO SPEAK IN 2018. AND IT WAS WHAT CAN THE FUTURE LOOK LIKE. IT WAS A PHASED PLAN PHASE 1 BEING THE REMOVAL OF THE SPORTS FACILITIES THAT YOU MENTION, CONNECTIVITY OF SIDEWALK, AND THAT OCCURRED IN 2022, 2023. POST THAT, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON HOW TO REALIZE THE MASTER PLAN IN TERMS OF USES AND WHAT TO SEE, BUT THAT DID NOT REALIZE OR WAS NOT REALIZED, DID NOT COME INTO FRUITION, AND FAST FORWARD AND HAVE OTHER BOND MONEYS TO REALIZE THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. SORRY, THERE IS A FLY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW I WAS SWATTING AT SOMETHING THAT WAS REAL. THIS WAS THE VISION THAT WAS PRESENTED. AND IT WAS HOPED THAT IT WOULD BE REALIZED THROUGH A PHASED PROGRAM. >> AND SO PHASE CAN YOU OUTLINE PHASE 1, 2, AND 3. I THINK I HEARD PHASE 1 WAS REMOVAL OF ALL FEEDS, SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY. WHAT WAS PHASES 2 AND 3? WAS THAT DESIGN? >> PHASES 2 AND 3 WAS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN DIVING INTO THE LAWN AT THAT POINT. >> I SEEM TO REMEMBER STARTING WITH THE MIDDLE BECAUSE IT'S THE LEAST EXPENSIVE WHICH HASN'T BEEN BUILT OUT AT LEAST NOT ACCORDING TO THAT MASTER PLAN. THERE ARE STILL SOME STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE DID I LADILAPIDATED. ONLY PART OF THAT HAS BEEN REALIZED AT THIS STAGE. >> CORRECT. NOTHING OUT OF THIS MASTER PLAN WAS IN STORE OR IMPLEMENTED. IT WAS STARTING TO PREPARE. I BELIEVE THE DOG PARK WAS [00:15:01] ALREADY THERE FROM THE BEGINNING. >> THE DOG PARK USES TWO BALL FIELDS, AND IT WAS BEHIND THE. >> THIS IS LIKE A -- >> ON THE MASTER PLAN. AND. >> AND THE REMOVAL OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE MENTIONED AS WELL AS CONNECTIVITY OF SID SIDEWALK. >> CONCEPTUALIZES. >> SO DID THAT ANSWER? IS. >> THERE'S NO FUNDS LEFT IN THAT 2018 ONE. >> THERE IS A BALANCE. ARE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO LATER ON NOVEMBER OF 2023 THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERED SITE ASSESSMENT SCENARIOS WHERE THERE WERE CONCENSUS TO SUPPORT THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX ON OR AT THE PARK. AND THAT'S THE CONCEPT YOU SEE HERE IS A RENDERING DEVELOPED WHICH IS WHERE THEY WERE STARTING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. AND LIKE YOU SEE THIS WAS THE LATEST CONCEPT CREATED AS PART OF THAT EFFORT. AND LATER ON, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DEVIATED FROM THE CONCEPT AND SPLIT IT INTO MULTIPLE SEPARATE PROJECTS AND WENT BACK TO THE DECISION OF DEVELOPING THE PARK AS A PARK WHICH TOOK US INTO THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY. IT'S NOT THE BACKGROUND REGARDING THE STEPS STEPS THAT GOT US HERE IS IN MARCH OF 2026, THE COUNCIL CORRECTED STAFF TO EVALUATE THE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX. IN JULY OF 2026 THE COUNCIL REACHED CONCENSUS TO PROCEED WITH A REVISED MASTER PLAN. AL IN AUGUST OF 2026, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED A RESOLUTION WHICH WAS NUMBER 3 FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE DESIGN SERVICES, AND LATER ON THE CITY ISSUED A COMMUNITY SURVEY TO GET MORE INFORMATION, OUR CITIZEN INPUT ON PARK DEVELOPMENT, AND THE CITY RECEIVED THE RESULTS OF THE COMMITTEE PARK SURVEY. 338 RESPONSES TALKING OR ADDRESSING PRIORITIES FOR FUTURE PARK ACTIVITIES, AMENITIES. SO DIVING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE SURVEY RESULT THE OVERVIEW IS AS I MENTIONED 338 RESPONSES IN TOTAL. THE HIGHLIGHT OR THE RESPONSE THAT THERE WAS 72% SELECTED SHADE STRUCTURES. AND AS SHADE STRUCTURES AS THE REASON FOR THEM TO VISIT THE PARK AS WELL AS 65% OF THE RESPONDENTS WANTED TO WALK OR JOG IN THE PARK AS AN ACTIVITY TO BE DONE. YOU SEE HERE WE ALSO SHOW SOME OF THE RESULTS ON THE QUESTION OF HOW PEOPLE WANT TO USE THE PARK. AND THE TOP 5 SERVICE YOU SEE HERE ALSO HIGHLIGHTS WITH WE MENTIONED EARLIER THE WALKING AND JOGGING BY 64.5%. WHAT IS INTERESTING HERE IS YOU SEE THE FOUR FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES AND HOW CLOSE THE PERCENTAGES OF THESE ARE WHICH REALLY INDICATES THERE IS NO SPECIFIC USE THAT WAS REQUIRED OR REQUESTED BY THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS. ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE YOU SEE THE RESPONSE TO THE INCREASED VISITATION, AND THE TOP FIVE REASONS WAS AS SHOWN BY FAR THE HIGHEST IS DEFINITELY THE SHADE STRUCTURES AND THE RESTROOMS WHICH REALLY SPEAKS TO THE COMFORT AMENITIES AND THE [00:20:02] ABILITY TO USE THIS AS A FAMILY IN THE MULTIPURPOSE PARK. THE SURVEY ANNOUNCES THE IMPLICATIONS SUGGESTS A HIERARCHY OF THREE DIFFERENT PLAYERS. THE FOUNDATION OF THIS REALLY IS THE COMFORT AND THE AMENITIES WHICH IS THE SHADE STRUCTURES AND THE RESTROOMS. NEXT LEVEL COMES THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE PARK, SO THIS REALLY TALKS ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND THE NEED FOR WALKING PATHS AND NATURE IN THE PARK, AND THE THIRD LAYER IS THE DESTINATION TO THE, PA, SO HAVING PLAYGROUNDS AND SOME OF THE CASUAL SPORT THINGS. REGARDING RECREATION THERE WAS HOCKEY, PICKLEBALL, AND OLYMPIC FIELDS WITH THE LOWER SECONDARY PRIORITIES AS FOR TENNIS AND THE SAND VOLLEYBALL. AND IS WITH THE RESULTS REALLY ARE SUGGESTING IS THE NEED FOR A FAMILY EXPERIENCE, SO THE FAMILIES ARE EVALUATE THE FULL EXPERIENCE AND NOT JUST THE PLAY STRUCTURE, SO THEY ARE REQUESTING TO HAVE PLAYGROUNDS, BUT THEN CAREGIVERS ARE LOOKING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SHADED SEATING AREA OR WHILE KIDS PLAYING ARE ABLE TO WALK AND ENJOY THE NATURE OR NICE LANDSCAPING OR BE ABLE TO SIT UNDER SHADE AND RESTROOMS ARE CLOSED. THE FAMILY EXPERIENCE WHERE THEY ARE ABLE TO BE THERE JUST SIMPLY USE THE PARK FOR A TIME FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY TO GET TOGETHER. AND FROM THERE I WILL BE TRANSITIONING TO THE TEAM FOR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE TO SPEAK TO THEIR ANALYSIS AND INTERPRETATION OF THE SURVEY RESULTS. DO YOU WANT TO JOIN ME HERE? >> WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN SO FAR? THE SURVEY RESULTS OR THE INTERPRETATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NADA? OKAY. >> HOW ARE YOU, COUNCIL, EVERYBODY. THANKS FOR HAVING US BACK. I THINK WE WANT TO TAG TEAM THIS A LITTLE BIT. FIRST OFF FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME, AND. >> ARCHER. PROJECT MANAGER HERE. >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING I HAVE CHI GOING BACK ON THE DATA TRYING TO UNDERSTAND VERY WELL SAID BY THE WAY AS FAR AS THIVE IS. IT WAS INTERESTING WITH THE 338 KIND OF LOOKING AT THESE FROM A PRACTICAL UNDERSTANDING FROM HIGH DEMAND TO LOW DEMAND. I THINK ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED OVER THE PAST SINCE 2018 EXCEPT THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPONSES. THE THERE WAS 180 I THINK BACK IN 2018 AND NOW WE HAVE 338. SO THE QUESTIONS WERE WELLTIVELY IN LINE. BUT THE RESULT HERE AS FAR AS THE INTEGRATED SHADE IS KIND OF AN AMINUTE, IT. I THINK IN THE WORKSHOP JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN THE FIELDS CONNECTIVITY TRYING TO MAINTAIN WHAT WAS THERE AND TRYING TO DECIPHER WHAT WAS DONE, WHAT WASN'T, AND WHAT CAN WE STILL DO TO KEEP UP WITH A PLAN THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY A PLAN OF 2018. AND JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE PLAN YOU SAW WAS ACTUALLY FROM 2025, NOT 2023. THE PREVIOUS PLAN JUST FOR THE RECORD. IT WAS FOR DATE WHEN YOU STARTED LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN. OUR ENGAGEMENT CAME AFTER THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD YOU UNDERSTAND. JUST LOOKING AT THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE FIELDS BUT LOW DEMAND DOG PARK BEING THERE BUT IT'S TWO CURRENT BASEBALL FIELDS OR SOFTBALL FIELDS, SO THAT IS A RATHER LARGE PORTION OF THE PARK. I THINK THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO THAT NUMBER. >> NOT TO SEE THAT IT CAN'T BE PART OF A PARK AT ALL BUT THE PIECE OF THE PIE DOESN'T NEED TO BE AS BIG AS A MINIMUM POINT. >> RIGHT NOW IT'S 1.1 ACRES OF AREA WHICH YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW YOUR DATA ON THE SITE, SO IT'S THAT FIRST PART. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE, YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THEN? SORRY. I WAS SITTING HERE LOOKING AT MY THING. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING SIDE. I THINK WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE EXISTING EXAMPLES. WE CAN GO BACK IF WE NEED TO. AND CODY AND DOROTHY ARE HERE. THEY HAVE BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE SITE. WEST IS NORTH AND NORTH WAS RIGHT. BUT THIS IS NORTH. SO MAIN STREEP IS THE ONE ON THE LEFT. AND I AM HOPING I CAN DO THIS OKAY THERE WE GO. LOOK AT THAT. THERE'S THE HOCKEY GIVING YOU AN IDEA. CENTENNIAL AS YOU SEE INTACT. [00:25:06] PREVIOUSLY THIS WAS BROKE AND PART OF THAT WORK THAT WAS DONE TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND OF COURSE WAS IS THAT A FAIR NUMBER TO SAY? AND IT'S THE AFOREMENTIONED FIELDS FOR THE DOG PARK IN THIS AREA AND THE LITTLE PARKING THAT'S SITTING HERE AS YOU COME IN. THE OTHER POINT IS THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BUILDING HAS TAKEN THIS PORTION OUT AND IS NOT A PART OF ANY OF THE PLANNING WE DID PREVIOUSLY. BUT THIS IS THE EXISTING STATE OF AFFAIRS AT THE SITE RIGHT NOW. ONE OF THE THINGS IS WORKING CONDITIONS AND THINKING ABOUT HOW DO THE AMENITIES YOU ALL WANT FIT INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE. SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR STARTING POINT. MAKE SURE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. SO WE MET LAST WEEK AS A GROUP AND HAD BEEN MEETING PREVIOUS TO THAT MYSELF AND OUR TEAM TO KIND OF COME UP WITH WHAT WOULD BE THE UNDERSTANDING HERE AND BEING A FELLOW HOCKEY PLAYER MYSELF I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. BUT THE INTENT HERE IS TO BEAUTIFY THE FRONT AREA OF THE SITE KIND OF FACING MAIN STREET. THE INTENT WAS TO CREATE THIS PARK BUT WHAT CAN WE REMOVE AND WHAT CAN WE KEEP. SO OUR PLAN WAS TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE BUILDOUT FOR THE PARKING THAT WAS A CON JOINED ARRANGEMENT. THE PARKING WAS HERE BACK TO THIS POINT AND IT STOPPED. WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WE WOULD REMOVE THE REST OF THESE. SOME OF THESE ARE BEYOND THE THESE TWO AND THESE TWO AND THE PARKING. THERE IS SOME CONNECTIVITY CONCERN OR QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE. WORKING WITH WES AND OURSELVES ON THE CIVIL STANDPOINT FOR HOW MUCH DO WE MAINTAIN A CHARACTER OR STANDARD THAT JUST THE LAST IS STILL MAINTAINED AS THE INTENT. AND AGAIN UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE BIT OF THE CROSS WALKS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED OPENING THIS UP TO GO BACK AND APPEAL TO AT LEAST THE RESPONSE, THE OPEN SHADE STRUCTURES, AND THE SHADE STRUCTURES CAN COME UP ANYWHERE ONCE THEY COME UP WITH A DESIGN. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN ACHIEVE PENDING THE COST OF THOSE STRUCTURES. SO I THINK FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS PART THAT THEY WILL HAVE APPROPRIATE NEED OR USE DEPENDING ON WALKWAYS. GOING TO THE RED BEING REMOVED IS THE CONCRETE WALKS THAT KIND OF TRAVERSE THE SITE AND PRETTY MUCH ANY OF THE PAVING. AND IT'S HARD TO SEE IT BUT THAT'S BLUE IF Y'ALL CAN SEE T WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE STRUCTURES FOR THE AMENITY FORS THE REROOMS BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY HIGH ON THE LIST, BUT THEY ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR. THOSE THREE SPOTS ARE KIND OF SCATTERED ACROSS THE SITE HERE. SO RED WE ARE TRYING TO I CAN AT THAT OUT, REPLUGN REACTIVATE AT SOME POINT. >> SO WHEN YOU SAY REMOVE, EXAMPLE THE PARKING LOT FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOCKEY RINK. THE WHAT WOULD YOU REPLACE IT WITH. THE PARKING LOT IS USED EXTENSIVELY. >> WELL, AGAIN SO THIS IS, WE'RE THE MESSENGER. WE HAVEN'T STARTED DESIGNING ANY OF IT BUT ARE LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY INPUT. THE INTENT IS THERE'S NEEDS FOR REPAIR AND HOW DO WE BEAUTIFY THE FRONT DOOR TO THE CITY OF ROWLETT TO CREATE A PORTION. AGAIN, HOW THAT PARKING CAN GET RECONFIGURED. WE WOULD NEVER REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING OR AT LEAST THE INTENT BECAUSE THERE'S A DESIGNING REQUIREMENT. WE DON'T HAVE BUILDINGS ANYMORE AS PART OF THIS BECAUSE PARKING AND BUILDING KIND OF DICTATE IT. THE PARK THAT GO YOU SEE TODAY AND FOR WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TO BE A FUTURE NEED. SO THE RELOCATED COMPONENT OF PARKING IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT. AL WE CREATED THESE KIND OF BLOCKS OF UNDERSTANDING, THESE TOOLS TO SHOW IF WE REMOVE THAT ANSWER TO QUESTION SPECIFICALLY WE PROPOSE TO CREATE SOME SORT OF GATHERING SPACE, KIOSK, A NODE OF SOME SORT WHETHER IT IS A PAVILION TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THE SITE. THIS PARKING LOT IS IN DIRECT RELATION TO THE CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET. NOTHING HAS BEEN DESIGNED, LET'S BE VERY CLEAR. THIS IS JUST SPITBALLING IDEAS AND PART OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN PAPER AND DRAWINGS IS HOW DO THESE THINGS REALLY FIT. IT'S LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO PUT THE PUZZLE PIECES TOGETHER BUT WE HAVEN'T DEFINED IT. >> THE PARKING LOT BEING CLOSE BUFF BECAUSE THERE'S EQUIPMENT TO HAUL BACK AND FORTH. [00:30:02] WOULDN'T BE HAULING WAY DOWN THE ROAD SOMEWHERE. >> I THINK THAT'S THE THING. I WOULDN'T INTERJECT ON THE ROAD STATEMENTS FROM AN OBJECTIVE STANDPOINT BUT BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY IN EQUAL TO OR SAME VALUE. >> A LOT MORE SENSE TO JUST BE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE BATHROOMS ARE. >> THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR SOME PARKING AND FIRE AND HOW DO WE MAKE WE MAKE IT WORK FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY AND DOMAIN STANDPOINT. BUT WE WOULDN'T SAY MORE PARKING BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL IN AGREEMENT FOR THE CHURCH TO BE ABLE TO PARK AND WHETHER THIS IS, THINK OF THESE AS BEING 120 FEET OF PARKING AND WHETHER YOU DRIVE IN AND PARK HERE BUT WHAT WORKS BEST WITH THE FINAL DESIGN, WE DON'T KNOW IT YET. WE HAVE AN IDEA, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT THAT WILL BE BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW YET HOW THAT WILL BE. >> LET ME JUST SAY I APPRECIATE THE MIND SET OF TRYING TO SALVAGE AS MUCH OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS CURRENTLY EXISTS SO FAR AS IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE CERTAINLY THAT LOT THAT'S TO THE E SOUTHEAST. THAT'S AIVE LOT OF CONCRETE TO REPLACE AND POUR. IF IT'S SAVABLE AND IT'S CONDITIONED, THEN I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T DESTROY THE THEME OR THE AESTHETIC OF THE POINT. >> I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME AMENDMENTS TO IT, MAYOR. SOME OF THE PARKING WE DO, THIS LITTLE INLET HERE IS PARALLEL PARKING ON STREET AS PART OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR JUST TO THE SOUTHEAST. THIS IS A TWO WAY WITH PARKING ON THE SIDE. OUR INITIAL FRAMEWORK TO KEEP THE INFRASTRUCTURE AN UNENCUMBERED AS POSSIBLE. WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, AND IN MY PAST LIFE PLANNINGIVE BE, BUT YOU GUYS SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS DRIVE. AND I KNOW PART OF THE OTHER DESIGN WAS TO REMOVE IT AND KIND OF RECONSTITUTE THE CURBS. YEARS NOT PROPOSING TO CURB IT ANYMORE BUT HAVE THE LANDSCAPE CREATE FROM A LANDSCAPING AND ENGINEERING DESIGN STANDPOINT BUT THE IDEA IS TO SAY WHAT DON'T YOU NEED. THIS IS NOT NECESSARY. THIS BECOMES A FREE ZONE TO ADD TO IT. THIS CAN BECOME A REALLY COOL KIND OF FRONT AREA TO SERVICE BOTH HOCKEY AND THE PATRONS IN THE PARK. YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE HERE, SO NOW YOU HAVE THIS CREATIVE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO CREATE THIS. YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE LEAVING AND GOING. YOU WANT THEM TO COME FOR A PURPOSE. STAY WITH THEIR FAMILY, PICNIC, ENJOY, GATHER, AND THAT'S THE INTENT ON THIS SIDE. >> (INAUDIBLE). >> IT'S FUNNY FROM A CIVIL POINT THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC NUMBER PERFECT BUT YOU DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO SAY WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE ADJACENT APARTMENT BUILDING AS WELL AS PARKING THAT THE CHURCH COULD USE AS OVERFLOW. SO LOOKING AT ZONING IT'S REALLY AS AN AS NEEDED BASIS. WE'RE REALLY GOING TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND ZONING AND SAY YOU NEED X AMOUNT MORE SPACE. SO YOU HAVE THREE DISTINCT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARKING, KIND OF THAT CENTENNIAL. AND YOU'LL SEE HERE THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITIES. IF THIS GOES AWAY, WE CAN GET THE SAME TYPE OF ANGLE PARKING BUILT IN. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD PARKING WHICH WILL ALSO ADD WITH THE SLOW DOWN OF TRAFFIC. THIS TURN CIRCLE LEADS ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE FRONTAGE WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND MAYBE THE DENSITY IS WE CAN PARK HERE. AND THEN DO WE CONNECT THIS 30 SPACES OR SO INTO THESE PARKING SPACES AND AMEND IT SO WE DO HAVE A NED INCREASE OF PARKING THAT ISN'T COOING YOU, LIKE, USE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, GUYS. THAT'S THE INTENT HERE. YEAH, THIS IS PARKING HERE BUT CURRENTLY IT STOPS HERE. SO THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS. THE WHAT IF THE WHAT IFS COME INTO PLAY, DOES THIS CONNECT? WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS CREATE A SPEED FOR THIS POSITION. LET ME GO FORWARD A LITTLE BIT TO KIND OF THE NEXT STEP. SO IMAGINE WE TOOK OUT ALL THE DEMO. THE WENT ONE TOO MANY. I GOTTA GO BACK. >> SO WHEN YOU FIND YOUR WAY BACK. >> THE BOTTOM. >> DEBBIE WILL GET YOU STARTED AGAIN. THE CITY OF RILEY HAS A PARK WHERE THEIR SOCCER FIELDS WHERE WHICH WAS MADE MENTION EARLIER. WHERE THEY HAVE THOSE CROSSINGS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE PARK. THEY HAVE RAISED AREAS. IT CREATES THE SORT OF ARTIFICIAL SPEED BUMP THAT YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN FOR BUT ALSO REALLY TELLS YOU CROSSINGS MAKES IT OBVIOUS. [00:35:03] >> THE TACTILE ARRANGEMENT PLUS THE SOUND CHANGES. THE AND I DON'T IT WOULDN'T GO BACK TOO MUCH IN TIME BUT THAT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA HOW SAFETY HAPPENS. YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB WITH THE TURN CIRCLES FOR PEDESTRIANS, SO OPTICS ARE IMPORTANT MAKING SURE THE ROA RIGHT OF WAYS ARE IN PLE AND ALSO SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO USE THAT ROAD THEY CAN GET THROUGH AND POLICE AND COMMAND VEHICLES SO THEY CAN PROPERLY SERVICE THE PARK WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT. BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT WE STARTED DOING IS WHAT IF WE CONNECT, BUT IT'S NOT THIS RACE TRACK MENTALITY. WE HAVE SPOKE WITH PARKS, AND THEY ARE IN NEED OF DESPERATE REPLACEMENT, SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELOCATING THEM. WE HAVE TO REWORK THEM ANYWAY, BUT WE WANT TO CONNECT BACK THROUGH YOUR ARRANGEMENT TO CONNECT TO THAT FIRST PARALLEL AND THEN ALLOW THE SITE TO BE ACCESSED HERE, SO IT CREATES THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUILDOUTS AND DO WE EVEN NEED THIS CONNECTION HERE. I DON'T THINK WE DO BECAUSE POLICE IN THE PAST WERE TALKING BUT IF WE GET TO THE END, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE A SECONDARY MEANS OF EGRESS. THESE COULD BE FORMED AS ALTYS, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND FROM THE CITY MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, ALL OF YOU CAN HAVE A DECISION. SO WHAT IS THE COST OF DOING THAT? IS IT NECESSARY. AND WE'LL GET WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. IS THIS WANTED? IT PROBABLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO DO SOMETHING. AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, MAY NOT BE A TACTILE THING NUMBER 1. BUT IT WILL SLOW PEOPLE DOWN THROUGH THE PARK. YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE SPEEDING THROUGH HERE. AND THESE COULD ALL BE POPULATIONS. YOU COULD HAVE TWO VERY DISTINCT COMPONENTS WITH THIS SECTOR IN THE MIDDLE AND THIS RATHER LARGE EXPANSIVE AREAS HERE. CITY HALL IS SITTING DOWN HERE AND A SCHOOL SITTING HERE AND A SCHOOL WAY OFF PAGE OVER HERE. SO YOU'RE STILL CONNECTING TO IT. PLUS IF YOU'RE COMING IN TO DROP PEOPLE OFF YOU HAVE FROM EVERY AREA OF THE CITY EXCEPT FOR THE SOUTH. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT OF TAKING AWAY THE RED AND ADDING WHAT MINIMAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS AND COME BACK AND ACTIVATE THE PARKING AND ON THE ROADS AS NECESSARY. JUST AS A STARTING POINT. THIS IS KIND OF ADJUNCT TO THE SURVEY. >> TAKE ANOTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS EXERCISE WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE PLANS IS WE LOOKED AT WHAT YOU HAVE. WE LOOKED AT THE COMMON DENOMINATOR OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THE BASE LINE DEMO WHERE YOU SAW THE RED STOPPING BEFORE THAT NEW CONNECTOR STREET AND THEN THE BASELINE ADDITIVE OF WHAT THESE CONNECTOR ROADS ARE. THE WHEN WE SEE THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THAT WRONG OR ROUGH ORDER M MAGNITUDE CONTRACR HAS GIVEN THIS BEFORE WE START ADDING AMENITIES AND OTHER THINGS TO THE MIX. >> THIS IS HOW WE GET THERE. AND SOME OF YOU IN THE ROOM EXPERIENCED OUR PROCESS PREVIOUSLY BUT THAT HAS TAKEN OFF AND NO BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BUT WHAT WE TRIED TO CREATE HERE WAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIRS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT LITTLE BIT OF ROAD, THAT WOULD BE THE EXTENT. SO WE TRY TO BREAK THIS INTO A KIT OF PARK. AND THEN WHAT CAN BE THOSE AMENITIES. SO TEST FITTING A LAYOUT, LOOKING AT HOW THIS WORKS, AND DOING THIS IN REAL TIME. AND MOVING THE PLAYGROUND COMPONENT. IS IT APPROPRIATELY SIZED AND SERVICE IT TO WHAT THE SERVICE SAYS, SO IT'S A BALANCING ACT IS WHAT THE INTENT IS. SO THIS IS PARK ONLY HIGH, BRETT. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE AMENITIES. AND THEN WHAT IS THE ACCESS AND ADJACENCIES. WITH THE C MARK WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK HE THAT'S INVOLVED. THEY HAVE A REALLY GREAT SOFTWARE, SO YOU CAN START SEEING IN REAL TIME YOU HAVE X AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THIS, Y AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR AMENITIES, AND THIS IS HOW YOU FIT IT INTO THE ORIGINAL BUDGET DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY AS PART OF THE 4.7 PLUS MONEY FOR HOCKEY. BUFF THE INTENT HERE IS TO GET ALL THE AMENITIES THAT CAN AT LEAST MEET AND/OR ADDRESS THE SECONDARY TO THAT IS IF THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE PROVIDE AS MUCH STRUCTURES AS YOU CAN FEASIBLY AFFORD AND THEN LOOKIN AGAIN AT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE WORRYING ABOUT PARKING AND CONSTRUCTIONS. THE WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DESIGN PERIOD. YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION LIKE MOVING THROUGH THIS HOCKEY SEASON BUT AGAIN I'M JUST SPEAKING KIND OF EXPERIENCE. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF STEPS TO GO [00:40:01] THROUGH. AND REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO INFORM YOU ALL AS WE GO FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS TO SAY HERE'S WHAT YOU GUYS PREFERRED. THE THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND GIVE AUTO OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AT THAT SAME DISCUSSION. FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR, WE WILL BE HERE ALONG THE WAY TO EXPLAIN THAT AND WORK YOU ON IN THAT. WE TAKE AN ABOUT OBJECTIVE STANCE AND TRY TO PUT OURSELVES THERE. >> THE SCHEDULE FOR SEPTEMBER 30TH. THIS IS HAPPENING IN TWO DAYS. >> BASELINE THAT WAS CREATED BY THE C MARK. THIS REALLY SPEAKS TO THE ESTIMATES RELATED TO THE DEMOLISHING HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND THE CONNECTION OF THOSE LITTLE STREETS OR PATHWAYS TO THE PARKING THAT WAS ASKED OF THE MINIMUM INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED. SO THOSE ESTIMATE CAME ABOUT $9.38 MILLION. SO THE INTENT OF THIS COULD BE APRIL TO CLARIFY THAT OUT OF THE AVAILABLE AMOUNT OF FUNDS WE TALKED ABOUT, REALISTICALLY WE DO HAVE MUCH LESS TO WORK WITH COMPARED TO AMENITIES COMPARED TO THE TOTAL BUDGET BECAUSE THESE ARE USUALLY HIDDEN COSTS, AND I'M NOT VERY BUT IT IS A HIGH PRICING AT THAT. >> THE AMENITIES THEY ARE STILL VALUE OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVEN'T VALUED THIS. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FROM A CONSERVATIVE STANCE. AND HAS BEEN GREAT INTERNALLY. IT'S THE STARTING POINT NOT THE FINISH LINE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP END TO THE BOTTOM END AND LOOK AT 5.2ISH ROUGHLY SPEAKING. THAT LEAVES YOU ABOUT 1.4 TO 1.5 TO PUT THE AMENITIES IN THERE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED OR SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THE SURVEY. AGAIN JOGGING, WALKING. THEN YOU CAN START SEEING IN REAL TIME WHAT THAT LAX LIKE. BUT UNDER 30TH WHICH IS A FEW DAYS FROM NOW WE'LL GET A REAL GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. AND WHETHER IT'S 2 OR 6 OF SOMETHING OR 1 OF 8, THOSE ARE THINGS WE DECIDE AS A GROUP. NOTHING HERE HAS BEEN BOUGHT EITHER. AND WHEN THE BUYOUT PERIODS HAPPEN, YOU TEND TO FREE UP SOME PERCENTAGES. WE WON'T GO ON THE RECORD FOR WHAT THAT COULD BE BUT THE IDEA IS WE THINK THIS BEING A CONSERVATIVE STARTING POINT. IT IS NOT THE FINISH LINE. WE AS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AS WELL AS DOING THIS FOR A MINUTE WILL TRY TO PROVIDE THAT BEST FEEDBACK OF WHAT IF WE DO THIS AND WORK WITH ENGINEERING AND CIVIL ENGINEERING AND LANDSCAPING IS SO IMPORTANT. YES. >> HOLD ON. PLEASE GO BACK. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IN CLEARER TERMS WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS ROOM. THIS IS DEMOLITION OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN RED. BUT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE REPLACEMENT OF PARKING. >> THIS IS THE DEMOLITION OF EVERYTHING AND GETTING WHAT YOU SEE TO LITTLE PIECES THAT WE HEAD BACK TO CONNECTIVITY. >> LET'S GO BACK TO THAT PIECE. >> THESE PIECES OF CONNECTIVITY TO THE EXISTING PARKING AROUND. >> SO. >> AND THE DEMOLISHING OF ALL OF THE RED. >> SO WE DEMOLISH FOR EXAMPLE THE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH OF THE HOCKEY RINK. THE NEXT SLIDE DOES NOT HAVE >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WHAT IS A PARKING LOT WITH THAT MANY CARS IN IT APPROXIMATELY COST? >> AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF. >> THAT'S PART OF THE NEXT PRACTICE, SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH THESE LITTLE CUT SHAPES, YOU'LL SEE PARKING LOTS AS WELL. >> SO MAYOR. >> THIS POWER POINT. >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE. >> MY VISION IS REALLY BAD RIGHT NOW. >> I ALREADY HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN WITH YOUR FINGERS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. >> SO TELL ME, JAMES, IF YOU CAN TALK ME THROUGH WHAT EACH OF THOSE COMPONENTS ARE. >> LET'S JUST BACK UP. THIS IS THE KIT OF PART. AL I KNOW IF I DO A GOOD JOB WE TALKED ABOUT DEMO. THIS IS JUST THE STARTING POINT BUT THE FEASIBILITY DETERMINES IF WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT PARKING LOT FOR COST PROHIBITIVE WE WILL PUT THAT ON THE TABLE. IT WILL COME THROUGH EFFORTS FOR ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. [00:45:03] MENT WHEN YOU SEE THAT KIT OF PARTS, IS IT THAT PIECE IS REFLECTED BY THE PARKING THAT IS COMING OUT FROM THE AREA THAT'S KIND OF NOT SHOWING HERE ANYMORE. WHETHER IT'S THAT EXACT CONFIGURATION. MAYBE IT'S ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING CENTENNIAL. IF THERE'S WAYS TO BE CREATIVE TO PUT PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD VERSUS BOTH. >> EACH ONE OF THOSE PIECES HAS BEEN PRICED. >> SO THE PARKING REPLACEMENT IS PRICED IN. >> NO. >> NO. >> IF YOU PICK THAT PIECE, WE WILL HAVE A PRICE TAG NEXT TO IT, SO YOU'LL KNOW WHEN YOU PUT IT IN HOW MUCH OF A BUDGET. >> I GUESS WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IS WE BUILT IT IN BUT IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. THERES NOT AN OPTION TO NOT REPLACE IT. SO IT IS REALLY LIKE WE NEED BOTH. WE ALSO HAVE TO PUT IN PARKING AND THAT'S ANOTHER 800,000. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES. CONVERSATION IS WHERE DO YOU WANT TO PUT IT. AND DO YOU WANT TO RECONSIDER? THIS WAS AS WAS SAID THIS IS VERY CONSERVATIVE. WE HAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND $1.2 MILLION FOR AMENITIES. THE THAT INCLUDES PUTTING DOWN SOD, INCLUDES VEGETATION AND A LOT OF THINGS WE MAY DO DIFFERENTLY. SO CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PULL SOME VALUE OUT OF THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO STOP SOME PLACE. AND WHAT WE ARE NOT DOING IS WE ARE NOT ASSUMING WHAT GOES BACK. THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM IS FOR THAT EXERCISE. AL SO EACH PIECE OF PICKLEBALL COURT WILL HAVE A PRICE FOR WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WERESES WHAT THE WIRE GOING THROUGH IT? >> TENSION, SLAB ON GRADE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THINGS MOVING OR NOT? >> BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT SLAP AND SLAP ON GRATE. WE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT BUILDING THE HOCKEY RINK OUT AT COMMUNITY, PA. WE ACTUALLY DESIGNED THAT WITHOUT A POST TENSION BECAUSE POST TENSION IS EXPENSIVE AND WE HAD A DESIGN THAT WE FELT LIKE COULD BE BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A SLAB NO NOT SOMETHING THAT'S A FOUNDATION TO A BUILDING, WE FELT WE COULD FLOAT THAT ON TOP OF OUR SOIL AND STILL BE SUCCESSFUL LONG-TERM WITH A SLAB THAT HAD LONGEVITY. THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS. WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAIL IT DRIVES COST DOWN THE ROAD. WE KIND OF NEED TO KNOW NOW WHAT YOU WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT THE BUDGET. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE PHYSICALLY CONSTRAINED AND CAN'T JUST SPEND $4 MILLION. THAT IS $2 MILLION OVER THE LAST IMPROVEMENTS OF THE FACILITY. SO WE TALK ABOUT PARKING. AL YOU KNOW, THAT GOING BACK TO THE FACILITY OF HOW WE GET PARKING. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME NEED TO BE CREATIVE ABOUT HOW WE ADD PARKING ON THE STREET RATHER THAN SITTING ON PARKING LOTS AND HOW THOSE IMPACT THE FACILITY. >> CAN I ADD ONE THING THAT WAS WELL SAID. I WANT TO GO BACK AND SEE IF I DO A GOOD JOB. SO FOR EXAMPLE TO THAT POINT, THIS RED IS OUT. THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND THAT'S IN THE 3.8. BUT IF THAT DOESN'T GET REMOVEDTIOUS THE MONEY TO REMOVE IT WILL GO BACK UP AND PROVIDE MORE AVAILABLE MONEY, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO SUBTRACT THE COST TO REPAIR IT. SO THOSE ARE DECISIONS. THE CRYSTAL BALL IS NOT EVEN ON. BUT WE STARTED WITH THIS KIT OF PARTS, AND YOU'LL SEE IN REAL TIME THE EFFECT UP AND DOWN. IT'S NOT SOMETHING LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO YOU. IF WE DO THAT AS YOU SAW YOU CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED, AN INFORMED DECISION AFTER YOU'RE EDUCATED IF THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT. I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID. AT THAT POINT ALL OF THE STUFF COMING OUT IS IN HERE. AND THE LIMITED ASPECT IS. IF THAT PARKING DOES NOT GET REMOVED, THAT NUMBER WILL GO UP. IT WILL COME BACK DOWN TO REPAIR JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHATEVER THAT [00:50:03] IS. SO ALL THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE THE BIGGER STRUCTURAL ITEMS, HAVE THOSE BEEN DETERMINED TO BE NOT SALVAGEABLE? THE FRONT, PAING LOT AND BOTH SETS OF TENNIS COURT. I KNOW THE, PAING BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURTS. >> I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT HERE. THE DISCUSSION OF REMOVING THE PARKING LOT CAME FROM YOU. THAT'S WHY THAT'S ON THE TABLE. IT ISN'T ABOUT A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS OR NEEDS WORK TO BE REPAIRED. BUT REMOVING THAT CAME FROM COUNCIL'S INTEREST IN REMOVING IT AND HAVING SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE THE IF A F THAT INTEREST CHANGES, THE COST CHANGES. THAT'S WHERE WE START. STARTING BASED ON WHAT YOU TOLD US AND MOVE ON TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY TOLD US. AND WE'LL BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK FOR AN ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION. >> AND WE'LL DO THAT TRANSPARENT. >> WE WEREN'T A PART OF THAT DECISION PROCESS. >> WHICH ONE? >> REMOVING THAT PARKING LOT. WHEN I CAME ON THERE WAS GOING TO BE A POND THERE. >> OF COURSE THE POND WAS PART OF THE OTHER DECISION AND CERTAINLY THE POND COULD BE SOMETHING WE RECONSIDER NOW IF THAT IS OF INTEREST TO COUNCIL. >> REFLECTING ELEMENT TO I CAN UP BECAUSE WE HAD A CITY STRUCTURE AT THAT POINT. >> I THINK IT'S VERY CONSISTENT HERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN. GO BACK REAL QUICK FOR ME. FOR MUNICIPAL COMPLEX DESIGN. WE ARE HEARING A LOT OF THE THINGS WE HEARD BACK THEN WHICH IS WE WANT TO HAVE SHADE STRUCTURES. THOSE ARE ALL SHADE STRUCTURES. >> THOSE SEVENS RIGHT THERE. >> THE SEVEN. >> THE SEVENS ARE SCATTERED ABOUT. >> WELL, THE SIXES ARE BENCHES. >> THE PARK TOO AND THE DOG PARK COMPONENT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS SMALLER, MORE INTEGRATED. AND THE WE RELOCATED THE COURTS BECAUSE THEY WERE IN SUCH BAD SHAPE AND MADE SENSE TO REPLACE THEM. AND THEN WE ADDED OF COURSE THE TENNIS AND THE PICKLE BALL COURTS ARE SITTING MORE UP FRONT. >> WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THESE IDEAS WITH THE COMMUNITY. A NUMBER OF YOU WERE PART OF THAT PROCESS. THE AND THE ADVISORY BOARD. THERE IS CERTAINLY CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT WE HEARD THEN AND HEARING NOW WHICH IS A FOCUS ON PAVILIONS, COMMUNITY SPACE, SHADE, AND NOT AS MUCH. CERTAINLY PLAYGROUND SOMETHING MORE INTEGRATED INTO THE SITE AND ACCESSIBLE AT THAT LEVEL. WE'RE HEARING THOSE THINGS. NOW IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW DO WE TAKE THAT SO WE'RE STARTING THE CONVERSATION NOT ENDING THE CONVERSATION. THE POINT IS TO GET MORE FEEDBACK, DEVELOP SOME OPTIONS, AND COME BACK TO A PROCESS WHERE WE RECONSIDER THIS WITH MORE IDEAS AND WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE. >> SO IN YOUR KIT OF PARTS, WHAT RANGE OF ARE THERE ANY RANGE OF AMEN, ITS INCLUDED? OR IS IT REALLY WHAT YOU HAVE HERE? >> NO. WE HAVE THE AMENITIES AS WELL. YOU CAN SEE OH, GET THOSE AGAIN. SO YOU CAN SEE PLAYGROUND. PLAYGROUND WAS AMENITY PART OF THE SURVEY. YOU DON'T SEE SHADE STRUCTURES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WALKWAYS ARE. ONCE WE DEVELOPED IT, AND CAN I GO BACK IN TIME FOR A SECOND? WHEN WE HAD THE LAST WORKSHOP WITH Y'ALL, WE CAME UP IN REAL TIME WHAT YOU GUYS CAN AFFORD. WE HAVE BEEN VERY SHATTER WITH OUR MONEY AND CAME UP WITH SEVEN STRUCTURES. CAME UP WITH SEVEN TYPES OF PLAYGROUNDS. ONE WAS THE OPEN FORUM PLAYGROUND TRADITIONALLY AND WASN'T MEANT TO BE THE WHOLE KIT OF CAMOUFLAGE. THOSE PIECES ARE THERE BUT THE DATA FROM TWO YEARS AGO, THEY DON'T COST THE SAME. THEY COST MORE. SO WE HAVE ADJUSTED FOR THAT. SO WHEN WE START PLUGGING IN LET'S PUT A SHADE STRUCTURE IN HERE REAL TIME WE CAN SAY BOOM, THAT'S WHAT IT WILL BE. >> WHEN WE'RE HAVING THE COMMUNITY MEETING WEDNESDAY TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE CAN READ THAT. >> WE HAVE THOSE IN BIGGER FORMAT. >> THIS IS WHAT I WOULD PRESENT 2 BY 3 FOR EACH PIECE. >> I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME. WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS. LIST THEM OFF. >> HERE. >> PLAYGROUND, TENNIS. >> LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM BECAUSE THE LAST THING I WANT IS THE COMMUNITY IS TOLD HERE ARE THE FIVE THINGS YOU CAN HAVE AND CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME VERY UNHAPPY RESIDENTS WHO WERE, [00:55:03] LIKE, WELL, YOU GUYS SAID WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. >> THE OTHER THING WE CAN THROW OUT THERE IS WE WILL HAVE TO TRACE A PIECE OF PAPER. AND IF SOMEBODY SAYS I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING, DRAW REAL QUICK. >> FOR INSTANCE A DOG PARK ONE OF THOSE ITEMS. >> DOG PARK I'LL LIST THEM NOW. DOG PARK IS HERE. THEN WE HAVE PICKLEBALL. THESE ARE REALLY SMALL, GUYS. AND WE HAVE GENERAL TENNIS USER COULD. AL THIS GUY HERE IS THAT GUY BIGGER. SO SCALE IS WHAT'S CAUSING THIS. SO YOU GO ACROSS THE WAY FROM THERE. THEN WE HAVE OUR KIND OF MULTIFLEX FIELD WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY SOCCER GOAL. FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIG ON MINE B BUT THAT'S THE SOCCER FIELD. THIS IS IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE SURVEY FOR THE HIERARCHY UMS IT. WE CAN SKETCH ANYTHING TO SHOW MORE AND IF WE HAVE A PRICE PER IT WE CAN DO IT IN REAL TIME. IF WE DON'T, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT. AND AS WE GO ACROSS, ROADS AND, PAING IS ONE THING BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THE PLAYGROUND AND THE COURTS, THOSE ARE ALL PLAYGROUND COMPONENTS, PLAYGROUND COMPONENT, AND THEN ALL THESE STRUCTURES ARE PARKING, PARKING, PARKING. AND THAT LITTLE BIT OF PARKING THAT'S KIND OF LEADING IN. AND THEN THE LARGER PARKING LOT IF IT DOESN'T GO AWAY WHICH IS THE LOT THAT'S UP IN HERE. SO EFFECTIVELY ALL THE AMENITIES ARE LISTED LEFT TO RIGHT. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR AS A BELL FOR YOU. >> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE? >> A SPLASH PAD NEEDS TO BE AN OPTION. NOT A CIRCULATING FLASH PAD BUT. >> A WATER FEATURE? >> PROBABLY BOTH. THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR IT SO PROBABLY BOTH.% AT LEAST HAVE IT OUT THERE. IF ON THE PAGE YOU DROP IT IN AND SUDDENLY WE LOST A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS, THEN OKAY, IT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE. BUT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THAT DOES TO THE DOLLARS WE HAVE AVAILABLE. THAT'S THE TRICK. WE CAN'T JUST NOT HAVE IT IN THE OPTION BECAUSE WE'RE TELLING THEM IT'S NOT POSSIBLE IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT NEEDS TO BE THERE SO IT CAN BE CHOSEN AND THOSE THAT ARE FISCALLY MINDED WILL SEE IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. >> SO IF IT'S OKAY WE'LL PROVIDE SOME CLARITY TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO MAKE SURE ALL THE AMENITIES ARE CLEAR. THE LIST IS NOT RESTRAINED OR CONFINED TO WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE. SO IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS BESIDES A SPLASH PAD THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED FOR WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT AND MAKE THAT AMENITY LIST FIRST OFF WHATEVER YOU NEED TO SEE. REAL TIME PRICING WE WILL TRY TO GET PRICING BUT WILL TRY TO GET A BRACKET ON WEDNESDAY AND REPORT BACK TO YOU. THE COMMUNTY WANTED BLANK AND HERE'S THE NET COST IF THAT'S FIRST TIME. SO THEY WILL BE HEARD. >> LET ME PAUSE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP. DOES ANYONE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. >> NEED TO HAVE OPTIONS OUT HERE AND LET THEM TELL US WHAT THEY WANT. WANT A SPLASH PAD. >> AND THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT PHASE. >> YOU GET A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF CUTOUTS THEY WILL WALK AWAY NOT HAPPY. I SAW YOU LEAN FORWARD. >> I ACTUALLY LIKE IT. OKAY, WE GET X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. GOTTA GET THE FOUNDATION BUILT. DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T COME IN LATER. WHAT COMES OUT AND SO I DO AGREE. ELECTRICAL FOR ONE DAY. I THINK THE PLAN IS THEN YOU WOULD HAVE AS MANY AS THEY CAN. SAY YOU CAN'T GET TO ONE-THIRD OF THEM. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T BUDGET THE OTHER TWO-THIRDS YEARS LATER BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE ALL THE FOUNDATION. >> YOU WOULD SAY WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN SPEND TODAY IN THE FUTURE TO COME BACK TO SPEND WHATEVER. >> IF WE DON'T START WE DON'T START. >> AT A BARE MINIMUM WE NEED TO THE MASTER PLAN. THERE WAS ALSO AN AMPHITHEATER, AN ART FEATURE, A BASKETBALL AREA. THAT WAS WHAT IS ORIGINALLY SOLD TO THE PUBLIC WHEN THE BOND WAS ASKED BACK IN 2023. >> I THINK THE NAME OF THINGS VERSUS WITH A NOT NAMED. BUT YOU CAN FLUSH IT UP AND SAY HERE IT IS NOW AND YOU GUYS CAN [01:00:03] MAKE AECISION. >> IT IS IMPORTANT TO SAY THE COST COMPARISON WASN'T REALLY DONE. HERE'S A BIG PICTURE. GIVE US $4 MILLION AND WE WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN AND IT WASN'T REALISTIC. THEN IT'S DEFINITELY NOT REALISTIC NOW. >> BUT JUST A WORD OF CAUTION. WE HAD THREE PHASES BEFORE. WE GOT ONE PHASE DONE AND TWO AND THREE NEVER GOT REALIZED. IF WE CAN'T GET IT DONE NOW WE WILL HAVE PHASES. THEY ARE NOT GONNA TRUST US. >> WE AS PROFESSIONALS WILL PROVIDE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCCESS BECAUSE IF THE MONEY ISN'T THERE, YOU CAN'T BUILD. UNFORTUNATELY THE HARSH REALITY IS WE HAVE TO BE THERE FOR BOTH THE DESIGN AND THE COST BASIS AND WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND OURSELVES. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR DECADES AS ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS. SO MAYBE THIS IS NOT PHASING BUT OPPORTUNITY. YOU GO BACK AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD ALL THE THINGS IN THE MASTER PLAN, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD. >> I WANT TO GO BACK AND YOU ASKED WHAT'S THE DESIGN. MASTER PLAN IS NOT I HAVE BEEN IF IALLY CONSTRAINED. IT'S A BLUE SKY. WHAT DO YOU WANT. THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. THIS IS FISCALLY CONSTRAIN. THE GOAL HERE THE MANDATE HERE IS WE BRING YOU A DESIGN THAT WE CONSTRUCT FOR THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED. THAT'S NOT GOING TO INCLUDE ALL THOSE THINGS IN THAT BLUE SKY MASTER PLAN. >> AND I HEAR YOU, AND I THINK THAT FALLS ON US TO MAKE SURE WE EDUCATE. BECAUSE WHEN THE CITIZENS OUT THERE TALK ABOUT MASTER PLAN, THEY THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> CAN WE TOUCH THAT SCHEDULE JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM US TO. IS THAT OKAY? >> AS WE SPOKE EARLIER OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE BASICALLY GETTING WHAT WE ARE CALLING PAPER DOLL SESSION WHICH IS THIS WORKSHOP WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT IS GOING TO MEET WITH THE PARKS BOARDS AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 30TH TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND GET, COLLECT THE COMMUNITY AND, PROVINCE OF ALBERTA BOARD BOTH DURING THAT MEETING AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE WILL DO THE SAME PRACTICE, SO KEEP IT IN MIND THE INPUT WE HAVE GOT FROM COMMUNITY TO HAVE IT WITH THE COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 19TH. IN ANOTHER SEGMENT THAT INCLUDES COUNCIL AND THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY. IN THE GOAL BASICALLY ANTICIPATED TARGET TO BRING THE FINAL CONCEPT TO COUNCIL IS ON NOVEMBER 16, 2026 FOR APPROVAL. THAT THE LITTLE FORECAST FOR THE UPCOMING. >> SO EFFECTIVELY THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY WE WILL BE BACK IN HERE TO REPORT ON EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE HAD SINCE THE 30TH AND OUR UPDATES BOTH WITH PRICING AND DESIGN. SO TODAY IS THE 19TH. >> YES. SO. >> SO 11, 16 IS A WORK SESSION. THE WILL YOU BE BACK WITH THE FINAL DESIGN AND THE FOLLOWING EVENING? IS THAT THE IDEA. >> THAT'S THE GOAL. GET US A LITTLE MORE TIME, MAYOR, BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THAT AND ALLOWS US TIME TO ADVANCE THE INFORMATION TO GO INTO YOUR PAQUETTE AS REQUIRED. >> FINAL DESIGN IS PROBABLY A BIT OF A MISNOMER HERE. THIS IS EARLY SCHEMATIC DESIGN. AL SO WE'LL GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PHASES BEFORE WE GET TO FINAL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. >> IT'S FINAL DESIGN CONCEPTS, SO JUST THE CONCEPT, FINAL CONCEPT. >> EFFECTIVELY DESIGN ONCE THAT'S APPROVED. CHECK POINTS FOR PRICING THAT WILL APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THE ENGINEERING DOCUMENTS AND ALL THAT. SO THERE WILL BE CHECK POINTS DURING THAT PROCESS. , SO. >> ONCE WE BRING THIS FINAL CONCEPT FOR APPROVAL, WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE SCHEDULE FOR THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. AND THE MILESTONES TO GET TO THE PROJECT. >> SO WE WOULD BE STARTING SPRING, SUMMER 27. >> WE'RE LOOKING AT BASICALLY END OF Q2. SOMEWHERE Q2ISH. SCHOOL YEAR TOO. [01:05:01] AL BUT AGAIN WE'RE GONNA LEAN HEAVILY IN WEATHER TO THINGS THAT WILL BE PHASED. SOMETHING TO ERUPT WHERE CERTAIN THINGS IN DROP FRONT OF PREP. WILL WORK OUT WITH WINTERTON SO YOU GUYS HAVE A SEAMLESS CONSTRUCTION PERIOD. YOU CAN WORK, LET IT GROW, TAKE HOLD, AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AREA. INFRASTRUCTURE PROBABLY BEING YOUR PRIMARY BIG DID I RUNTER. >> QUESTIONS. >> COMMENTS IN Q2 IS TO START ALL THAT STRUCTURAL. >> AGAIN, WORKING WITH THE CITY AND POTENTIALLY. >> THERE'S A POTENTIAL WE COULD DO IT IN AN EARLY DEMOLITION PACK ON DESIGN BUT AGAIN WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SETTINGINGS ANDS AND MOVING AFTER Q2 IS ACTUALLY DESIGN PROCESS. THEY HAVE BEEN WANTING TO GO THROUGH DESIGN COMMITTEE TO GET TO EVEN THE BID PROCESS IS USUALLY A THREE TO FOUR MONTH PROCESS, SO WE ARE USING THAT SO BIDDING SOMEWHAT IN PARALLEL SO WE CAN CUT THAT DOWN A BIT. MAKES IT CLEAR THAT END OF Q2 IS AMBITIOUS. BUT WE THINK ACHIEVABLE. >> THE REALITY IS TO GET THE PARK DONE BUT NOT BE 27. >> IT'S MORE LIKELY 28. >> LIKELY A 28 FINISH. >> WILL PROBABLY MAKE SURE WE DO WELL TOO WHICH IS WHATEVER THE FOLKS SAY AND IT'S A LITTLE UNFORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE 5.2 MILLION. WILL SPEND 3.8 JUST GETTING ALL OUR DUCKS IN A ROW TO PUT THE AMENITIES IN. AL I WOULDN'T FIRST OF ALL WHATEVER WE END UP DOING IN THE DESIGNS THE PEOPLE GIVE US ALL THOSE AT ONCE THAT WE DON'T FORGET ALL THE ONES IN THE BUILDOUT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE. SO WE DON'T COME BACK LATER AND GOING OH, I WISH WE HAD ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. BUT USE THAT TERMINOLOGY THAT WE ALREADY BUILT OUT BELOW ANYTHING THAT TO ME I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR 1.4 MILLION IS GONNA GO. BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WILL GO VERY FAR ANYWAY. >> OUR UPDATE WILL COST 1.4 MILLION. >> THAT'S A GREAT MARK. >> MAYBE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FUTURE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL THIS KIND OF COOL STUFF. THERE'S A LOT OF EXPECTATION THAT WE HAVE THAT WERE SOLD TO THE COMMUNITY. THE I WAS A COMMUNITY. WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS. THE EXPECTATION OF THE COMMUNITY ON THAT FRONT. JUST BECAUSE OF THE SHEER ABOUT IF A OF THE COST FACTORS NOW AS WELL BUT THAT'S THE EXPECTATION THAT I HAVE WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF MORE THINGS IN THAT PART WHEN IN REALITY WE COME BACK AND HAVE A DISCUSSION LATER ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ONCE YOU PUT PRICE TAGS ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANT BECAUSE I GOT A FUNNY FEELING IT IS GOING TO BE ONE OR TWO THINGS IN THERE THAT WERE ANTICIPATED WE WERE GOING TO GO THAT WE PRICE OURSELVES OUT OF JUST THE DEMOLITION AND ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY 72, 73% BEING UTILIZED. >> 72.67, YEAH. THAT'S VERY GOOD. >> A GOOD NUMBER. AL WE'RE GONNA USE THAT MUCH MONEY JUST TO GET US TO THE GROUND LEVEL. OKAY, LET'S GO BUILD THE FUN STUFF. SO FIRST OF ALL WHATEVER WE HEAR ON WEDNESDAY THAT WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE ADDED IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE SO WE DON'T FORGET THAT LATER. AND I HOPE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT IN THE GRAND PLAN OF WHERE IT WOULD GO MAYBE WE GET IT PUT IN TODAY, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT AS A CITIZEN I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I PLANNED ALL THIS IT WAS A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS IN THERE. IT WASN'T A CITY HALL OF COURSE. IT WAS A PART OF IT. SO NOW THAT'S KIND OF OUT IS REALITY. SO SO MUCH ASSOCIATED COST. I THINK COUNCIL WILL HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE WITH FOLKS ONCE WE SEE THE BIG PICTURE. WITH THE COST FACTORS. >> THE STUFF THAT YOU SAID IS VERY IMPORTANT. MENT WE TALKED ABOUT THE GOOD EXAMPLE IS YOU PUT IN COURTS BUT YOU DON'T PROVIDE FUTURE [01:10:04] LIGHTING. IT'S THE JUST IN CASE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERY POSSIBLE ZONE WHETHER IT BE LANDSCAPING OR PHYSICAL STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY PHYSICAL MONEY TO PUT IT IN NOW. IF IT'S UNFORESEEN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A SPLASH PAD NOT SAYING ONE OR THE OTHER. BUT WE'LL PROVISION FOR IT IN THE DESIGN AT A COST. BUT SOMETIMES YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVISION. IT'S A DELICATE BALANCE BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE BALANCING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S NOT A TEETER-TOTTER. IT'S MULTI. SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THAT AS WELL. IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. THE OTHER LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL QUESTIONS,IC WHEN CHRIS BROUGHT UP THE PLAN AND I THINK WE'RE ALREADY AT THAT POINT IS WE ADDED IN AMENITIES THAT YOU ADDED IN MONEY FOR. AT THE TIME YOU HAD THE MONEY IN THAT BUDGET BUT IT WAS SHARED COST OF OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE% PIECES. AL THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO AS WE START ADDING IT IN OUT OF THIS SUBTRACTIVE THING, YOU WILL SEE QUICKLY HOW THAT MONEY GETS SPENT. MAY HAVE A LIST OF 50 THINGS OR 30 IN THE PROJECT WHATEVER IT WILL BE. MENT BUT THE MONEY WILL DETERMINE THE PROJECT. BUT I'M SURE EVERYTHING WILL BE PLANNED FOR SO THAT IF IT'S A COURT, IT COULD HAVE LIGHTS IN THE FUTURE. WHAT'S THE COST. BUT YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISION AS COUNCIL WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE FINAL DESIGN. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. >> WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT IT. >> IT'S NOT JUST MAYBE PUTTING THE STUFF OUT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. IT'S THE ALSO NOT PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE IN A SPOT WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A FEW TRIBUTE. I DON'T WANT TO PLANT A BUNCH OF TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE DUG UP. IT'S THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY. IT'S PLANNING ON OUR PART AND ALL EXERCISE TO SAY WE REALLY WANT ONE OF THESE. IT'S NOT GONNA, WOK TODAY BUT YOU LEAVE THIS AREA OPEN AS AN ACTIVE PLAY SPACE SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE, IT CAN A. >> SAY THIS IS A ZONE THAT HAS A 5-FOOT BUFFER AND THIS AREA IS UNTOUCHABLE. AND WE CAN MAKE TREES DO WHAT IT HAS TO DO BUT THAT CRITICAL THING THAT YOU NEED WILL NOT BE ENCUMBERING. IT'S NOT LIKE PUTTING A TREE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUTURE FIELD. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. BUT THAT'S THE MASTER PLANNING PIECE THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. IT'S FUTURE PROOFING THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. WE'LL WORK WITH ENGINEERING AND LANDSCAPING TO MAKE SURE WE PUT NOTHING IN TODAY THAT HAS TO COME OUT TOMORROW. SAME EXAMPLE I WOULD USE IS WE'RE TRYING TO NOT NOW SAY LET'S REDO CENTENNIAL. LET LET IT STAY AND RESIDE THERE AND SPEND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE SO YOU GUYS CAN GET SOME OF THOUGH THE AMENITIES TO TACKLE GREAT PERCENTAGES THAT PEOPLE SO DESPERATELY WANT TO HAVE IN THISH PA. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. THAT'S OUR PLEDGE TO YOU AS A PROFESSIONAL GROUP HERE HELPING YOU GUYS OUT. >> THAT'S A POSITIVE TAKEAWAY HERE. BUILT AN OUTSIDE. WANT A BIG BEAUTIFUL HOUSE,S SIT DOWN WITH A -- SO THE POSITIVE HERE TO THE MAYOR'S POINT IT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MASTER PLAN. WHETHER WE CAN DO IT BUT I LIKE THAT. PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE FOR THE FUTURE. ACTUALLY FUTURE COUNCILS AND COMMUNITIES THAT DO THINGS IN THIS PROCESS NUMBER 1, BUT NUMBER 2 I THINK THE GOOD PART HERE IS WE HAVE A COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT JUST CAME IN. THE THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT THERE ON WEDNESDAY. WILL WE HAVE ALL OF IT? NO. THE THE COMMUNITY WILL SAY WHAT THEY WANT. BUT IT'S OUR JOB TO WORK WITH THEM AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO. TO ME I FIND IT POSITIVE. ANYBODY WHO BUILT A HOUSE KNOWS. >> OPTION TO USE REFORESTATION FUNDS FOR SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING? >> THIS GOES BACK TO VALUE ENGINEERING AS A STANDARD TERM. WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THIS TO SEE WHAT THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE WHETHER WE CAN USE A SPRAY SEED RATHER THAN SOD. THERE ARE PLUSES AND MINUSES FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THAT IS AN EXERCISE WE WILL THROUGH. >> COUNCILLOR, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> A COUPLE THINGS. FOR THE ENTRANCE I THINK WE LOOK AT THIS MAINSTREAM AND HOW THIS PARK INTERACTS, AND THAT WAS THE COMMENT ABOUT RELOCATING THE HOCKEY. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE LOOK AT THE ENTRANCE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT. >> RELOCATING THE PARKING. [01:15:01] NOT THE HOCKEY BUT THE PARKING FOR THE HOCKEY. >> RIGHT. EXACTLY BUT THAT PARKING LOT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT OR SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT WITH FIRST UNITED MEDVEDEV DESANTIS TO EXPLORE. AND THEN 190 MAIN I BELIEVE BUILT THAT PARKING AS THE ENTRY. AND IT'S BEING USED AS APARTMENTS. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE SAFELY DO IT. THE LIGHT FOR THEIR GAMES COME RIPPING THROUGH WATERVIEW, SO WE CREATED SOME OF THAT IN THE FRONT OF THIS PARK, AND I WOULD CAUTION HOW WE MANAGE THAT. AND THE THIRD THING I WOULD LIKEN IT TO A GARAGE RENOVATION. YOU BOUGHT A HOUSE AND OH, YOU RENOVATE YOUR GARAGE. YOU WANT IT TO LOOK NEW AND FRESH AND GOOD AND TAKING THE OLD CONCESSION STAND BUILT IN 1950 SOMETHING AND KEEPING THAT IS MAKING A STATEMENT. I KNOW WHY YOU'RE DOING IT. IT MAY BE COST EFFECTIVE. BUT THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NEW PARK WON'T BE THERE WHEN YOU DO THAT. MENT SO I CAUTION YOU AGAINST DOING THAT AS WELL. THE SLAB ON GREY COMMENT. WHATEVER WE BUILD, WE MAKE IT TO LAST. WE DON'T DO IT HALFWAY. AND IF IT MEANS THAT WE DO IT LATER AND CAN AFFORD IT, WE DO THAT. BUT LET'S NOT BUILD ANYTHING THAT WE CAN'T MAINTAIN AND IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ECONOMIES OR COMMENTS? >> I'LL RESERVE THEM FOR WHEN HE COMES BACK. >> ALL RIGHT. >> IT WOULDN'T SEE IT NEXT TIME. WE SAID YES. WHEN YOU SEE IT ON WEDNESDAY AND BEYOND IT WILL BE PRETTY QUICK. >> THAT, EVERYBODY. >> EVERYBODY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US. WE'LL SEE YOU HERE WEDNESDAY. HERE IS YOUR CONTROL WHOEVER IS UP NEXT. >> WOULD ANYBODY LIKE A BRIEF INTERMISSION? [3.B. Receive a presentation regarding the proposed agreement between the City of Rowlett and the North Texas Tollway Authority (NTTA) to provide law enforcement services on the tollway system. ] ALL RIGHT. GOING TO CONTINUE ON. AL ITEM 2 ALBERTA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ROWLETT AND THE NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES ON THE TOLLWAY SYSTEM. >> GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. POLICE CHIEF HERE JOINED TONIGHT BY ASSISTANT CHIEF JOSHUA ULTRAHADINS FIELD OPERATIONS AND ALSO OUR INTERIM, THERE IS INTERIM COMMUNICATION MANAGER NUMBER 1 COMMUNICATIONS ADAM BERGIN. BOTH OF US HELPED DEVELOP THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL AS ASSISTED ME WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NTAA. SO TO START THE LOCAL WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE NTAA AND DISCUSS HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL AS WELL AS CURRENT IMPACTS WITH THE AGREEMENT. FOLLOWING HIS UPDATE, I WILL PRESENT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND HOW WE RECOMMEND THE FUNDING BE ENHANCED FOR POLICE OPERATIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ASSISTANT CHIEF. THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION WE ARE GOING TO REVIEW IS TO PROPOSE THE ROWLETT POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE FIRST POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING POLICE SERVICE ON THE TOLLWAY THAT TRAVELS THROUGH OUR CITY. SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORICALLY [01:20:05] THE TEXAS AT THE PRESENT TIME OF PUBLIC SAFETY HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT FOR THE TOLLWAY AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES MUNICIPALITY HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE CRIMINAL OFFENCES THAT OCCUR. IN JUNE OF 2026 WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY WOULD BE ENDING THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE TOLLWAY EFFECTIVE AUGUST 31ST OF THIS YEAR. AND WE IMMEDIATELY MET WITH ENTITY A AND 20 OTHER CITIES AFFECTED BY THIS TO SEE THE NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD. WE HAD OUR FIRST ONE ON ONE MEETING ENTITY A. DURING THAT TIME WE DISCUSSED EXPECTINGS, GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, AND WHAT A POTENTIAL ILA WOULD LOOK LIKE. IN AUGUST WE HAD THE SECOND MEETING WITH THE FIRST INITIAL PROPOSAL TO THE CITY. SO WORKING THROUGH THE AGREEMENT THEY PROPOSE A FOLLOWING FUNDING OPTION. THE NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY IS MADE UP OF 1194 LANE MILES AND HAD 80 TROOPERS ASSIGNED FOR THE TOLL I WITH A. SO THEY PUT FORWARD A FORM L.A. ON HOW THEY WOULD PAY EACH CITY FOR PROVIDING THIS SERVICE. SO THEY DIVIDED THE NUMBER OF TROOPERS BY NUMBER OF LANE MOUNTS AND CAME UP WITH FOR EVERY LANE MILE THERE IS .670 TROOPERS. THE CITY OF ROWLETT CONSISTS OF 34 LANE MILES. AND HOW THEY DID THAT THEY TAKE EVERY LANE THAT TRAVELS THROUGH LIFE-THREATENING WOULD, EVERY MILE IN THAT LANE AND COMBINE IT ALL TOGETHER. NORTH AND SOUTH. THEN THEY MULTIPLY THIS BY .067 AND SAID TO OPERATE IN ROWLETT THEY NEEDED .338 TROOPERS. AND THEN THEY UTILIZED THAT NUMBER AND MULTIPLIED IT BY A COST OF A TROOPER WHICH IS $225,000. THAT CONSISTS OF SALARY, BENEFITS, THE COST OF A VEHICLE, GAS, ADMINISTRATION FEES. AL ALL INCLUDED IN THAT $225,000. AGAIN, THEY MULTIPLY THAT BY 2.33 AND THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS $527,000. WE REALIZED THEY HAD NOT INCLUDED THE BRIDGE THAT TRAVELS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY THAT TRAVELLED AN ADDITIONAL 5.4 LANE MYLES. SO AGAIN THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS $527,000 OR APPROXIMATELY 34 LANE MILES. THEY ADDED IN THE 4.4 WHICH ADDED APPROXIMATELY $66,000 TO THE CONTRACT. TO GET US WHERE WE ARE TODAY AT $593,000. AS WE BEGAN WORKING THROUGH THE CONTRACT DETAILS, NTTA OFFERED A TWO YEAR CONTRACT DETERMINE. WE ATTEMPTED TO GET A LONGER TERM DEAL. THEY INFORMED US AS OF NOW ALL DEALS ARENED CAN A AT TWO YEARS. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY TERMS OFFICE. THEY REPRESENT NUMEROUS CITIES IMPACTED BY THIS CHANGE WITH DPS. SO THEY'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW TO DEVELOP A COMMON LANGUAGE FOR% ALL THE CITIES THEY REPRESENT. SO THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH NTTA AS WELL. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY OPEN AND HONEST ABOUT THEIR LONG-TERM GOALS WHICH IS TO HAVE THE COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT TO TAKE ON LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES IN THOSE COUNTIES. SO FOR US THAT WOULD BE THE DALLAS COUNTIES DEPARTMENT. THEY HAD INITIAL DISCUSSIONS BUT THEY HAVE REFUSED TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT SO, THEY WILL GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. IF THEY DECLINE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT. THE THEY WILL TRY TO NEGOTIATE A LONG-TERM DEAL. THEY DIDN'T TELL US WHAT THAT IS BUT THEY WILL TRY TO NEGOTIATE A LONGER TERM DEAL OF TWO YEARS. SO UNDER THIS AGREEMENT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ROUTINE PATROLS, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENTS, INVESTIGATING THE ACCIDENTS AND ALREADY HANDLE ANY CRIMINAL OFFENCE BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL CONTINUE UNDER THIS AGREEMENT. NTTA WILL HELP SUPPORT US AS WELL. THEY HAVE SERVICE TRUCKS THAT PATROL THE TOLLWAY. AND HELP OUT ANY MOTOR ASSIST CALLS. AL THEY PROVIDE TRAFFIC CONTROL TO HELP US. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE ASSISTING AS WELL. THEY RESPOND TO A LOT OF THESE ACCIDENTS AND BRING OUT THEIR TRUCKS AND WILL CONTINUE TO HELP US IN THAT ZAG. SO JUST SOME HISTORICAL [01:25:04] INFORMATION ON ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE TOLLWAY. OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN 271 REPORTABLE ACCIDENT. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MORE BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE REPORTED TO THE STATE. DPS HANDLED 244 OF THOSE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HANDLED 27 OF THOSE. SO WE ANTICIPATE OUR ACCIDENTS INCREASING ON THE TOLLWAY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 40 TO 50 ACCIDENTS PER YEAR. DESPITE NOT HAVING A CONTRACT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE STILL RESPONDED ON AVERAGE 209 CALLS ANYWHERE BETWEEN WELFARE CHECK TO A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, MOTOR ASSISTANCE. IT COULD BE AN ARRAY OF THING. ALSO IN THAT TIME FRAME 517 TRAFFIC STOPS ON THE TOLLWAY. ALSO COMMERCIAL MOTORCYCLE STOPS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THE CONTRACT ENDED ON AUGUST 31ST SO WE HAVE BEEN RESPONDING TO ALL CALLS ON THE TOLLWAY. SO AS OF TODAY WE RESPONDED TO 75 TOTAL CALLS THIS MONTH. 42 OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY TRAFFIC STOPS THAT WE INITIATED. SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO 33. SEVEN WERE TRAFFIC HAZARDS. SIX WERE RECKLESS MOTORISTS AND ONLY RESPONDED TO ONE ACCIDENT SO FAR. >> ARE WE BEING COMPENSATED FOR THIS? >> IF WE ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT, THE AGREEMENT WILL BE DATED AS OF SEPTEMBER 1ST WE WILL BE COMPENSATED FOR IT. SO AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT, NTTA WILL REQUEST DATA FROM US. WE WILL ALSO BE PROVIDING THEM QUARTERLY REPORTS. THEY HAVE SET NO PARAMETERS ON WHAT THEY WILL NEED FROM US. INITIALLY WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE ACCIDENT DATA, CRASH REPORT, CITATIONS. IF THERE IS A FATALITY ON THE ROADWAY, WE WILL MEET WITH THE TEAM FROM NTTA AND REVIEW THE CRASH DETAILS, ANY PHOTOS WE HAVE AND DISCUSS ANY CONTRIBUTING FACTORS. IF THERE ARE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE TO THE ROADWAY WHETHER THAT'S SIGNAGE OR CHANGE TO THE ROADWAY. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF DANNY AND HE WILL REVIEW HOW WE WANT TO USE THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS. >> SO THIS NEXT SECTION I WILL THAT WE WENT THROUGH IN COMING UP WITH THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I'M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE WITH WERE CLEAR ABOUT WITH OUR TROOPS AND WITH OUR EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT IS WE AS CHIEFS AND STAFF WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE THIS DECISION IN A VACUUM. I HAVE HEARD FEEDBACK OVER THE YEARS ABOUT THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE I30 AND THE IMPACT OUR DEPARTMENT SEES WITH OUR OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS HAVING TO RESPOND TO A PRETTY LARGE PORTION OF OUR ACCIDENTS ON THE I30. AND I HAVE PROMISED THE DEPARTMENT THAT IF WE ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT OF THIS NATURE THAT WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT THERE'S A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY. SO WE START WITH OUR COMMAND STAFF WHICH HAS THROUGH MULTIPLE FEEDBACK SESSIONS INCLUDING FROM THE BEGINNING INCLUDING THE BIGGEST IMPACTS THIS WILL HAVE ON OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER WHICH IS WHY I BROUGHT ADAM TONIGHT TO SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. BUT THROUGH THOSE FEEDBACK DECISIONS WE BROUGHT THOSE BACK TO COMMAND STAFF AND PEARED THEM DOWN. LOT OF THINGS WERE SUGGESTED. OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY IS ASKING, BUT WE PEARED THOSE DOWN INTO THESE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO THESE ARE IN PRIORITY ORDER BASED ON FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM OUR TROOPS. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT BUT ON DISPATCH YOU'RE ASSUMING THEY WILL HAVE MORE CALLS VOLUME? I WAS THINKING IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY GET CALLS ANYWAY. >> SO THAT IS SOMEWHAT TRUE. THEY WILL STILL HAVE MORE CALL VOLUME ANDS THAT IS BECAUSE THE CALLS WILL HAVE TO BE DISPATCHED TO OUR OFFICERS AND MANAGING THOSE SCENES WHEN. WE GET TO THE SCENE THEY WILL BE PRIMARY AND WILL ULTIMATELY TAKE THOSE ADDITIONAL CALLS INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO PUNT THEM OVER TO DISPATCH DTS. >> SO MAYBE NOT MORE CALLS BUT LONGER CALL TIMES. WE WILL SPEND MORE TIME ON THE CALL. >> INSTEAD OF TRANSFERRING THOSE CALLS TO THE DISPATCH CENTER THEY WILL TAKE THOSE CALLS FOR THE DURATION OF THE ACCIDENT. >> TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET A WRECK UP THERE SOMEBODY RESPONDS. WE'RE ALREADY DISPATCHING THEM. >> WE HAVE A BLOCKER FOR ALL THE ACCIDENTS ALREADY. >> AND WE ARE THE PRIMARY MEDICAL RESPONSE OUT THERE. WE'RE GO. [01:30:05] >> I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE. >> ALSO FOR THE DISPATCH SIDE IT IS GOING TO BE MORE TRIAGING AS THEIR ON SCENE OFFICERS OUT THERE CHECKING INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE ACCIDENTS. AL THEY WEREN'T DOING THAT BEFORE THEY TRANSFER IT OVER TO NTTA. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVEMENT ON THE DISPATCH SIDE TAKING OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ROADWAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT. >> COUNCIL GIVES JUST TO ULTRATOUCH ON THAT. EARLIER ON THE TOLLWAY THERE'S SIX OR SEVEN CALLS ON IT. AL TWO OF THOSE WERE NTTA NOTIFYING US OF WHAT THEY SAW ON CAMERA. THERE WILL BE IN ALL LIKELIHOOD AN INCREASE, MAYBE NOT A HUGE INCREASE BUT INCREASE FROM NTTA BECAUSE THEY DO MONITOR ON THE TOLLWAY. ONE OF THEM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE GET A MAJOR ACCIDENTISH EVERYBODY DRIVING BY START CALLING 911. >> WHAT MARTS IF IT'S THE NTTA CALLING YOU OR EVERYBODY ON THE WHOLE SCENE CALLING YOU. STILL GOING TO GET CALLS. >> AS HUTCHINS IS ABOUT TO SHOW WE'RE ALREADY RESPONDING WE HAVE FOR YEARS TO CALLS FOR SERVICE THERE OFTEN TIMES BEATING DPS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT BEING COMPENSATED FOR IT. WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SHOW YOU IS IN THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDING IS NOT NECESSARILY RESOURCES TIED TO IMPACTS THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE WITH THE NTTA AGREEMENT. WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE TROOPS AND THE FEEDBACK IS POLICE DEPARTMENTS NEEDED THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THIS IS A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO GET FUND FOR STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT AND/OR TECHNOLOGY THAT IS VERY HARD TO COME BY DUE TO THE GENERAL NORMAL FUND. THAT'S HOW WE PUT THESE PROPOSAL TOGETHER. SOME OF THEM WILL DIRECTLY ASSIST US WITH TOLLWAY RESPONSE. AND OTHERS ARE RESOURCES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO PROVIDE A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY NOT JUST THE NTAA. SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADD A POLICE LIEUTENANT, TWO DEDICATED MECHANICS, AND TWO COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISORS. I'LL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON EACH OF THESE. WHY A POLICE LIEUTENANT? FIRST OF ALL, HE HAVE WITH FOUR PATROL SHIFTS AND CURRENLY HAVE THREE LIEUTENANTS ASSIGNED TO THOSE SHIFTS. THE REASON WE HAVE THREE IS WE HAVE TWO ASSIGNED TO THE NIGHT SHIFT. THEY OPERATE AS A WATCH COMMANDER MUCH LIKE A CHIEF ON A 12 HOUR SHIFT ON FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE ONLY HAVE ONE LIEUTENANT ASSIGNED TO SPLIT TWO DAY SHIFTS. SO BY GETTING A FOURTH LIEUTENANT WE WOULD HAVE CONTROL FOR A WATCH COMMANDER ON ALL FOUR SHIFTS JUST LIKE WE HAVE SUPERVISION ASSIGNED TO OUR DETENTION CENTER AND COMMUNICATION CENTER. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MANAGE THESE INCIDENTS MORE EFFECTIVELY. THESE TWO DEDICATED MECHANICS, THIS CAME DIRECTLY FROM FEEDBACK FROM THE TROOPS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR EMPLOYEE SURVEY TOLD US LOUD AND CLEAR IS THAT WITH OUR AGING PATROL FLEET, WE HAVE TREMENDOUS DIFFICULTY KEEPING THEM IN SERVICE. AND IT'S NOT FOR NOT TRYING. OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM DOES A GREAT JOB IN PRIORITIZING OUR POLICE FLEET. BUT WITH OUR AGING FLEET, THEY ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY KEEPING THEM IN SERVICE. THE SO WE ARE OFTEN TIMES WAITING FOR POLICE VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING USED ON DAY SHIFT TO GET THEM OUT FOR NIGHT SHIFT. SO THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED IS THAT HAVING DEDICATED MECHANICS WILL TREMENDOUSLY ASSIST US IN NOT ONLY RESPONDING TO CALLS ON THE TOLLWAY BUT CALLS ACROSS THE CITY. THIS ALSO FOLLOWS EMERGING TRENDS WE ARE SEEING IN LIFE SIZE CITIES WHERE CITIES ARE DEDICATING MECHANICS TO THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY FLEET MAINTENANCE. AND TWO COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISORS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO SUPERVISORS ACROSS FOUR SHIFTS. AND SO WE HAVE GAPS OF COVERAGE WHERE WE HAVE NO ACTUAL SUPERVISOR IN PLACE. WE HAVE DIS. PAERS THAT ACT OUT OF CLASS. ADD TWO COMMUNICATION SUPERVISORS WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO GIVE US FOUR SUPERVISORS ACROSS ALL FOUR SHIFTS. DID IS HAVE A QUESTION. >> FINISH THAT UP WHEN. [01:35:01] YOU'RE DONE I WANT TO JUMP IN. >> SURE. SO THIS GIVES US BETTER OVERSOUGHT AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO QUALITIED AINSURANCES THAT ARE RIGHT NOW SPLIT BETWEEN ONLY TWO SUPERVISORS. >> HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS PRIOR TO THIS HAPPENING. AND I THOUGHT THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO SEE A REQUEST FOR PERSONNEL. >> FOR THIS ONE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAD HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S SHORT-TERM FUNDING. I THINK SOMETHING YOU TAKE SERIOUSLY. WE HAVE TWO YEARS OF FUNDING HERE. SO WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MECHANICS OR ANY POSITIONS HERE, THE CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE HOW DO WE MAKE THAT COMMITMENT GIVEN THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE TWO YEARS OF GUARANTEED FUNDING AND WHETHER THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO TAKE THE RISK LONG-TERM. >> THE ONLY REASON I SAY IS BECAUSE YOU'RE OUR FUNNEL. LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND SO I WAS GETTING THE FUNNEL TO PREPARE FOR THIS STUFF. LOOKING FOR PERSONNEL BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME THE CONVERSATION OF THIVE CHIEF WITH CALL VOLUME AND EVERYTHING. >> I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR, SIR, AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I DID KNOW AT THAT TIME THAT HE HAD THROW DIFFERENT OFFERS HE WAS GOING TO BRING TO YOU. SOME OF THEM HAD PERSONNEL AND SOME OF THEM DID NOT. AND HE WITH WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP FROM THE COUNCIL ON WHAT WAS YOUR PREFERENCE WITH WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. HAVE TWO MORE OPTIONS HERE. THIS ONE HAS PERSONNEL AND THE OPTIONS DO NOT HAVE PERSONNEL. I APOLOGIZES IF I WAS UNCLEAR. I DO WANT TO JUMP IN ON THE MECHANICS PIECE. THAT WAS THE PIECE WE HAD LAST YEAR DURING THE FY2026 BUDGET. WE ACTUALLY ADDED A MECHANIC TO THE STAFF TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE THERE. THAT POSITION WAS ADDED. WE ALSO ADDED FUNDING IN THERE FOR AN ADDITIONAL BAY BECAUSE HAVING A MECHANIC WITHOUT A BAY DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SENSE. REALLY CAN'T BE PRODUCTIVE. THAT MECHANIC POSITION HAS ADDED THE BAY IS NOT COMPLETE YET. SO WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN THE BENEFIT OF THAT ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL YET IN OUR OUTPUT IN THIS AREA. THIS CERTAINLY AN AREA WHERE LONG-TERM METRICS IN THIS AREA. THE CHALLENGE OF PERSONNEL IS WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE WORK SPACE. CHIEF AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS. IF THE INTEREST IS HAVING MORE CAPACITY, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE, HOW WE GET BETTER AT MAKING SURE THEY HAVE THE FLEET THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THEIR SERVICES. THIS IS A IDEA. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE IDEA. BUT MAKING SURE WE TACKLE THIS AS PART OF THE PROCESS. DIG IN AND BRING YOU MORE OPTIONS ABOUT HOW WE ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC ISSUE WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, THE DIFFERENT WAY WE OPERATE OR A DIFFERENT WAY WE MANAGE OUR FLEET. TO ACTUALLY ADD SOME ADDITIONAL BAGGAGE TO OUR FLEET AND WE DO LOSE A VEHICLE TO MAINTAIN THAT MORE EFFECTIVELY. AS YOU LOOK AT THIS OPTION, THE CHALLENGE HERE I'M BRINGING YOU IS WE HAVE AN AVAILABILITY PROBLEM WITH OUR FLEET. THAT'S THE INTERESTING ONE TO ADDRESS THAT. I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR INDULGENCE TO BRING YOU ON THAT AND BRING YOU SOME MORE OPTIONS TO ADDRESS IT. >> AND THE LAST THING I DID MENTION ON THE MECHANICS PIECE IS I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN AT LENGTH WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND FEEDBACK THROUGH OUR EMPLOYER SURVEY IS THAT THE DIFFICULTY IN KEEPING OUR VEHICLES IN SERVICE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A PROPOSAL FOR AN EXPANSION OF OUR PATROL FLEET TO INCLUDE A TAKE HOME PROGRAM. A TOOL THAT OFFICERS COULD BRING THEIR VEHICLE HOME IF THEY LIVE IN THE CITY BOTH AS A READINESS AND AN INCENTIVE TO WORK IN THE CITY OF ROWLETT. WITH MORE VEHICLES IT A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD REQUIRING MORE MECHANICS TO MAINTAIN THOSE VEHICLES. OPTION TWO IS TO ADD ONE POLICE OFFICER AND TWO VEHICLES. AL LIKEWISE THIS WOULD BE A QUICKER WAY BROWSE TO GET THERE THAN PUTTING TOGETHER A SEPARATE PROPOSAL. THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ANOTHER OFFICER FOR THE VISIBILITY AND TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT RELATED TO THE TOLLWAY BUT ALSO ACROSS CONTROL. THE MIDDLE IS THE COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISOR. INSTEAD OF TWO, THIS JUST ADDS ONE SUPERVISOR. [01:40:01] INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO ACROSS THE BOARD WE WOULD HAVE THREE. WE WOULD STILL HAVE GAPS IN COVERAGE BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY SUPERVISE OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM. THANKS TO THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL DISPATCHERS OVER THE YEARS, SO WITH THAT INCREASE IN STAFFING INCREASES THAT SPAN OF CONTROL, SO I THINK I IT'S IMPORTANT THERE IS THE PROPER SUPERVISION IN PLACE. AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE OF THAT IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL DISPATCHER. AGAIN, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CALL VOLUME BUT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DEDICATED TO MANAGING THESE INCIDENTS AND THE CALLS THAT COME IN. WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IS TO ADD THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A TAP ROLL. THE STATE REQUIRES IT WHICH IS OUR DISTRICT MANAGER BUT ALSO A PICKUP TO THAT. RESPONSIBILITY TERMINATION AGENCY COORDINATORS ESSENTIALLY CONDUCT ALL OF OUR COMPLIANCE WITH REGARD TO OUR CERTIFICATIONS. WE HAVE 211 ACTIVE CGIS CERTIFIED EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE CITY. THEY REQUIRE ANNUAL TESTING, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ACCESS. THAT IS A TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE PERSON. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A BACKUP TO THAT, SO OUR RECOMMENDS ON THIS OPTION WOULD BE TO ADD A DISPATCHER WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEN AS MENTIONED OUR LAST OPTION DOESN'T INVOLVE ANY STAFFING. THESE WOULD BE THINGS THAT REPLACE EQUIPMENT AND/OR TECHNOLOGY AND ALSO OUR PATROL FLEET. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE PLANNING THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND HELD OFF ON IT. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE ON A DELAYED PATH WITH OUR POLICE AND OUT OF PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH REPLACING THE CONSOLES IN THIS OPTION. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE DESK ITSELF. THESE ARE NOT YOUR AVERAGE DESKS. THESE ARE GIANT ELECTRONIC DESKS THAT HOLD THE TEN MON MONITORS. THEY ARE HEATED,ED COO, AND COMPLETELY INTEGRATED INTO OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM. THEY ARE $30,000 PER DESK. AND WE WOULD NEED TO REPLACE AT LEAST FIVE OF THEM. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TOTAL OF EIGHT BUT FIVE WOULD REPLACE OUR PRIMARY COMMUNICATIONS CONSOLES. THE MIDDLE OPTION IS AI TECHNOLOGY TOOLS FOR DISPATCHING. SO AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL WE WILL SOON HAVE A FULLY INTEGRATED NEXT GEN911 COMMUNICATION CENTER. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE UPGRADED ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS HARDWARE TO NEXT GE NORTHEAST. AND IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WE HAD APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EZY NET WHICH IS NEXT GEN FOR CALL HANDLING AND OUR CELL PHONE CALL ROUTEING TECHNOLOGY. NOW WE ARE NEXT GEN911 THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR MORE ADVANCED AI TOOLS THAT WORK WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY. ONE OF THEM IS A AI MANAGED TOOL THAT WOULD MANAGE THE NONEMERGENCY CALLS. THE SO OF THE HUNDRED THOUSAND PLUS CALLS, THREE QUARTERS OF THOSE COME IN ON THE NONEMERGENCY LINE. THE AI TOOLS NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THOSE NONEMERGENCY CALLS AND MANAGE THEM. GET THE UNABLE TRIAGE AND EITHER TRANSFER THEM TO A HUMAN BEING OR POINT THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION USING AI TOOLS WHICH WOULD FREE UP ACTUAL DIS. PAERS TO TAKE ACTUAL 911 CALLS. I WAS PREPPING ADAM FOR THIS, AND HE WAS TELLING ME ONE ACCIDENT ON THE TOLLWAY WITH BRING IN AS MANY AS TEN 911 CALLS. AND IF THERE'S MORE THAN THAT, THOSE CALLS UM ALLY ROLL OVER TO THE NONEMERGENCY LINE AND GET PLACED ON HOLD. AND SO WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE CALLS PLACED ON HOLD. IT CAN TELL THEM WE ARE AWARE OF THE ACCIDENT COMING IN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALL. OFFICERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISPATCHED. AND SO IT WOULD HAVE THAT CAPABILITY TO TAKE THAT OFF OF A HUMAN BEING. ANOTHER AI TOOL WOULD BE AND PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE WOULD BE REAL TIME LANGUAGE TRANSLATION. SO RIGHT NOW WE UTILIZE A LANGUAGE INC. BE, AND THERE ARE OFTEN TIMES, NUMEROUS TIMES WHERE A LANGUAGE BARRIER COMES IN. AND THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH A LANGUAGE BANK THAT ULTIMATELY THE CALL IS TRANSFERRED TO THE LANGUAGE BANK. THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT LANGUAGE THEY'RE DEALING WITH WHICH CAN TAKE SOME TIME. AND IT IS A BACK AND FORTH. IF IT'S A 911 SITUATION AND SOMEONE IS SERIOUSLY INJURED, IT CAN TAKE 10 TO 15 MINUTES JUST [01:45:01] TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. WITH THE AI TOOLS, REAL TIME LANGUAGE TRANSLATION HAPPENS IN REAL TIME. AND IT IS FULLY TRANSSCRIBED IN A CLOUD-BASED SYSTEM. SO WE WOULD HAVE NOT ONLY IS THE CALL RECORDED BUT IT'S FULLY TRANSCRIBED AND THE DISPATCHER HAS TOOLS ON SCREEN TO PROVIDE A RESPONSE, AND THEY CAN SEE THE LANGUAGE BEING TRANSLATED RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES. AND THE LAST OPTION WOULD BE TO EXPAND OUR CONTROL FLEET. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THAT WILL BE YET. THAT WILL BE A PROCESS I WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON WHAT THAT LOOK LIKE WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT THIS FUNDING WOULD HELP YOU GET THERE MUCH FASTER. THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY COUNSEL IS OUR AGENCY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE STATISTICS SUCH AS CALL HOURS OR CALLS FOR SERVICE ON THE ROADWAYS. THEY DO NOT. FOR ALL 29 CITIES THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIFIC METRIC REQUIREMENTS. THEY SIMPLY ASK BROWSE TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY REPORT WHICH ASSISTS BUDGETING. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM PROVIDING THAT. CALL VOLUME, NUMBER OF CITATIONS, BASIC INFORMATION. AND THE INVOICE WILL BE SPLIT INTO 12 EQUAL MONTHLY PAYMENTS. AND ALSO MENTIONED IT WILL BE BACK DATED TO SEPTEMBER 1ST SO WE WOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR THE CALLS WE HAVE BEEN TAKING SINCE SEPTEMBER 1ST. >> SO YOU'LL GET A MONTHLY BANK. >> CORRECT. >> WHICH CHIEF SOME. QUESTIONS, THERE'S A FEW ADDITIONAL POINT I WANT TO PROVIDE JUST FOR SOME CONSIDERATION. AL AS WE MENTIONED, OUR DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY RESPONDING TO TOLLWAY CALLS AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS WITH NO COMPENSATION AT ALL. SIMPLY BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIRED IT OR WE WERE MUCH FAST TORE GET HERE. I WAS TALKING TO CHIEF RANDAL ABOUT THIS. HE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY GETTING THERE QUICKY WE ARE ABLE TO FREE UP THESE ACCIDENTS FASTER SO WE CAN IMPROVE TRAFFIC SITUATION WITHIN OUR OWN CITY WHEN TRAFFIC GETS BACKED UP IN THE CITY. TO YOU SO WITH DPS IS REALLY BEHOOVES US TO ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT FOR SERVICES WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVIDING. PROVIDING THE EXACT SAME AGREEMENT. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE OFFICERS. THE YOU KNOW, IS THE CITY CHANGING THE AGREEMENT? THEY'RE NOT CHANGING IT FOR ANYONE. THE ATTORNEYS HAVE ALREADY BEEN WORKING TOGETHER. AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE CITIES I HAVE ALREADY SPOKE TO THEY SIGNED IT. NO ONE OF THE 29 TODAY HAS OFFICIALLY SIGNED THE AGREEMENT. BUT I DO KNOW SEVERAL OF THE MAJOR CITIES HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO THE TERMS. >> YEAH, NICHOLAS JACKSON HAS REPRESENTED THE CITIES INVOLVED. MENT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN THEM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS IN THE AGREEMENT. SO THIS AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY LEGAL. THERE HAS BEEN SOME ADJUSTMENTS MADE BASED ON THE ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIES. THIS IS THE VERSION ABSENT THE FACT THAT IT REFERS TO FARMER'S BRANCH. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE VERSION THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD RECOMMEND. >> SO THE PROPOSED 193,000 AND CHANGE WE BELIEVE AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS AND SEEING THIS AS A CREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY EITHER WITH STAFFING, EQUIPMENT, TECHNOLOGY, RESOURCES, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL DESIRES, WE KNOW THAT GETTING THESE WHETHER IT'S STAFFING IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS ANNUALLY AND IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT QUICKLY. THE EXACT COST PROEX-WHYS ARE REALLY NOTES IFABLE WITH THIS AGREEMENT DUE TO THE UNPREDICTABLE NATURE OF THE CALLS WE TAKE ON THE TOLL WAY. OUR RESPONSE TO THE TOLL WAY CAN BE ANYTHING FROM OPEN PATROLS TO A TRAFFIC STOP THAT TAKES A FEW MINUTES TO A MAJOR ACCIDENT THAT TAKES HOURS AND MANY, MANY HOURS OF FOLLOW-UP. THE SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY TO PROVIDE THESE RESOURCES. BUT WE ARE ASSESSING THE [01:50:05] FINANCIAL IMPACT ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS ALLOCATE TO ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. THIS ISN'T A TOP DOWN APPROACH. IN MANY WAYS IT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S PROPOSAL ALL THREE OF THESE OPTIONS BASED ON WHERE THEY SEE THE NEEDS AND WHERE WE CAN BENEFIT THE MOST. WITH THAT I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> FOR CHRISOFF AND THEM. WHERE DID WE LEARN ABOUT THIS COMING INTO PERUITION? >> ACTUALLY THE REASON BEING LOOKING FOR THAT IS THESE ARE BUDGET ITEMS WE WOULD BE PUTTING IN THIS LONG-TERM OR WHATEVER. >> IT WILL LAST TWO MONTHS. >> NOTIFIED US THAT THEY WERE DETERMINE NATEING THEIR AGREEMENT. >> DIDN'T GIVE US A DOLLAR FIGURE AT THAT POINT WITHIN THE LAST. >> WE ATTENDED A MAJOR REGIONAL MEETING WITH PRETTY MUCH ALL 29 MAJOR CITIES AT THE FIRST OF SEPTEMBER. >> I DO WANT TO AGREE THAT ADDING PERSONNEL IS SOMETHING CLEARLY A BUDGET PROCESS WE WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED WAY BACK IN MAY AND JUNE. THE THAT IS THE STANDARD PROCESS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN ONGOING OBLIGATION. I WOULD SAY ONE-TIME FUNDS BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IT IS ONE TIME FUNDS. WE'RE GONNA GET ABOUT A MILLION 15 OUT OF THIS CONTRACT. AND THAT'S GOOD. I THINK THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN UP FRONT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY SERVE THIS TO A SIGNIFICANT EXTENT. THERE IS MARGINAL INCREASE ON THE DEPARTMENT. IT IS HARD FOR US TO RECOMMEND WE MAKE A PERSONNEL UNLESS COUNCIL SAYS IT'S ENOUGH TO COVER THAT FOR A COUPLE YEARS UNDERSTANDING WE WILL LIKELY PICK IT UP THROUGH CHANGES IN THE STAFFING IN OTHER WAYS. IT IS KIND OF LIKE SOME OF YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE DID THE SAFER GRANT. THE SAFER GRANT FOR SOME OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW IS A FEDERAL FUND FOR FORTUNATE IF. AND THEY PROVIDE YOU THREE YEARS OF FUNDING. AND THOSE THREE YEARS DIMINISHES EACH YEAR. SO EACH YEAR YOU GOTTA PICK UP ADDITIONAL COSTS AND START BUDGETING IT OVER TIME. AND YOU CAN'T SUPPLANT WHICH MEANS IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED FIREFIGHTER AND YOU ADD THREE MORE TO THE GRANT, AT THE END OF THAT YOU WILL HAVE 103 FIREFIGHTERS UNLESS YOU PAY BACK THAT GRAND. YOU TAKE A MONEY UNDERSTANDING IT WILL GO YOUR WAY AND YOU HAVE TO EAT THAT ELEPHANT OVER TIME. I SAY THIS IS ANALOGOUS. WE KNOW WE WILL GET THIS 1.2 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS. THAT WILL HAVE OFF SET THE COST. AND GOING BACK TO COUNCILLOR GIBBS POINT. I'M NOT A FAN OF CE CENSORING DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY HAVE IMPACT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT THREE OPTION ONE OF WHICH IS AN OPTION THAT IS USING ONE-TIME FUNDS, AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE BROUGHT THOSE FORWARD TO YOU. YOU CAN'T PROVIDE POLICY GUIDANCE ON OPTIONS YOU DON'T HEAR. SO YOU HEARD THREE OPTIONS. SO WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO. THE WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND WE ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WESTBOUND A GOOD DECISION FOR US NOT TO DO SO. THE DIRECTION FOR TONIGHT IS HOW DO WE RESPOND AND INVEST THAT MONEY MOVING FORWARD? >> SO WHEN WILL THIS COME BEFORE US? >> WE CAN BRING IT TO YOU IN OBSERVANT. >> I HAVE A WHOLE LIT, IN OF QUESTIONS. >> ANY SENSE OF WHY THIS DRUG OUT? >> SO AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, THE BEST I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT EVERY ALLOCATION OF THEIR PERSONNEL PARTICULARLY TO THE BORDER IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. >> ABOUT 80 TROOPERS. >> THEY DEDICATED 80 TO THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF YOUR TOLLWAY. >> SO WHEN YOU SAY TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, SPEED CONTROL. >> YES, SIR. THE. >> AN ARRAY OF DIFFERENT CHIEFS, [01:55:07] LINE LEVEL OFFICERS. SO IT WAS A VARIETY AT 80. >> HOW LONG THAT CONTRACT WAS. >> GOTTA WONDER WHY THEY ARE LIMITING NOW TO TWO YEAR. >> AS I UNDERSTAND IT NTTA REPORT TO A COUNTY BOARD AND THEIR MARCHING ORDERS ARE TO GO AND GET AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT. AND SO THEY WENT AND DID THAT. THE HAVE RESPECTFULLY DECLINED AND TOOK THAT BACK TO THEIR BOARD. THEIR BOARD TOLD THEM, OKAY GO TO THE CITIES BUT I WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND ASK AGAIN IN A YEAR. >> SO THEY ARE STILL HOLDING OUT FOR THE COUNTY. >> THEY ARE STILL TECHNICALLY HOLDING OUT FOR THE COUNTY. I WILL TELL YOU THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH NTAA, THEY ARE NOT CONFIDENT THEY WILL GET AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CO COUNTY. THAT COULD CHANGE. AND THEY PREFER TO HAVE A LONG-TERM AGREEMENT WITH THE CITIES. MENT THEY LOOK AT I GUESS HE REMEMBER IT NATEING OUR AGREEMENT IF THEY GET AN AGREEMENT NEXT YEAR? SO WE WOULDN'T BE SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS WE EXPECT TO SPEND? >> NO. IT WOULD BE A TWO-YEAR AGREEMENT. BUT AFTER TWO YEARS, IF THE SHERIFF AGREES THEN THE AGREEMENT WOULD GO AWAY. TO YOU. >> AT THE END OF TWO. >> AT THE END OF TWO. >> IT'S A CONTRACT. >> SURE WE CAN. IF IT'S A CONTRACT EVERY OTHER CITY HAS IN FRONT OF THEM, AND IT'S A PUBLIC DOCUMENT, NOT. >> ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR GETTING CARS. WE COULD HAVE FOUR CARS UP THERE ON THE HIGHWAY THREE OR FOUR CARS BUT ONE CAR CAN HIT EVERY ONE OF THEM AND TAKE THEM OUT. SO AS I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER IS ARE WE GOING TO BE COVERED ON THIS ON OUR INSURANCE? OR WILL THEY HELP US OUT. I MEAN WE LOST A WHOLE ENGINE OUT THERE ONE TIME, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT GUY IS A $50,000 MAX. MENT COVERED A MILLION DOLLAR ENGINE. >> COVER A TIRE. >> AND OUR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS STALES WITH PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT. AS WE ADD PERSONNEL, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL COST TO EACH PERSON WE ADD TO THE DEPARTMENT. ADDITIONAL COST FOR EACH VEHICLE THAT WE OWN. SO OUR INSURANCE SCALES WITH THOSE INVESTMENTS. >> IF IT SAYS THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING INSTALLMENTS; IS THAT RIGHT? >> YEAH. UP TO 12. >> 12 INSTALLMENT. AND THERE ARE PARTS THEY CAN WITHHOLD MONEY. DID THEY GIVE ANY INDICATION WHAT THEY WOULD WITHHOLD MONEY FOR? >> I THINK. >> THAT WAS TAKEN OUT. >> I THINK IT'S STILL IN THERE, BUT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A REASON WHY THEY WOULD WITHHOLD THAT. AND THEY HAVE TO GIVE US NOTICE IF THEY'RE GONNA. >> 30 DAYS. >> NOT CERTAIN CRITERIAS AND MISS SOMETHING OR DO SOMETHING. THEY WAKE UP ONE MORNING AND THINK WE SHOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN THOSE GUYS THE $60,000. >> THEY HAVE TIME TO I GUESS ARGUE AGAINST WHATEVER HAPPENED OR WHATEVER. BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY SAY WHAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO WITHHOLD FUNDING FOR. >> THE CITIES HAVE BEEN WORKING OUR ATTORNEYS. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT THAT IT IS VERY, VERY UNLIKELY SO SEEKING A LONG-TERM AGRE AGREEMENT. >> SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OF THIS MONEY EACH YEAR WE ARE SPENDING. HOW MUCH DID WE ACTUALLY SPEND GETTING CARS AND APPARATUS AND EVERYTHING OUT THERE. IF WE DO SPEND ONE TIME MONEY WHAT IS SAY $500,000 OF SPENDING MONEY AND THEN WE'RE IN THE HOLE BECAUSE WE DID X AND X ON THE OTHER HAND. >> AGE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION IF THERE'S A DETAILED PROPOSAL TO ADD TO THE FLEET, YOU WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT COST, A STRONGER COST ESTIMATE FOR THOSE ITEMS. >> YES. [02:00:06] >> THOSE COME TO COUNCIL TO BE APPROVED. >> PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT UP ON THE HIGHWAY SAYING HOW MANY ACCIDENTS WAS IT. >> APPROXIMATELY AN EXTRA 40 OR 50 A YEAR. >> 40 OR 50 A YEAR FOR US. >> AND THEN IN REALITY IT'S 60 OR BETTER. AND WE WERE UP THERE. DEPEND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT. SO NOW WE'RE IN THE HOLE. ARE THEY GOING TO COMPENSATE US FOR THAT? CAN WE SAY HEY, WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS. WE NEED THIS COMPENSATION. >> I UNDERSTAND THIS CONTRACT ISN'T FIXED TO BE. >> FIXED. >> WHICH MEANS. >> NO. I MEAN IT'S A NO RAINER WE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE IT'S IN OUR CITY, I GET THAT. SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THOSE MANDATES THAT IS NOT FUNDED EVEN THOUGH IT'S FUNDED. >> WE MAY OR WE MAY NOT AND MAY NEVER KNOW. THEY'RE GOING A FLAT RATE FOR EVERY MILE OF THE FREEWAY BUT NOT EVERY MILE IS AT EQUAL RISK OF HAVING AN ACCIDENT. >> WE KNOW WHAT ROWLETT IS RIGHT NOW. >> BUT BEFORE THEY HAD 80 OFFICERS THAT CAN. ROWLETT HAS OUR LITTLE FORCE OUT THERE AND RICHARDSON HAS GOT ONE AND ON DOWN THE LINE. BUT EVERYBODY IS WORKING ON A BUBBLE FLOATING BETWEEN WHERE% THE MEAT IS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. SO THERE COULD BE TIMES WE ARE THE HOT SPOT OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR TO RESPOND TO THE INCIDENTS WE HAVE. AND THERE COULD BE OTHER TIMES WE ARE HARDLY OUT THERE. MAYBE THERE'S NO ACCIDENT. >> GOING TO BE CALLING TO SAY CAN WE GET ASSISTANCE FROM Y'ALL ON A BIG SCENE AND CAN YOU CLOSE DOWN THIS. >> I WOULD THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THERE BETWEEN 78 AND GARLAND. THERES A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT BACKS UP IN THAT AREA. >> TO YOUR POINT WHEN YOU SAY HOT SPOT OF THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT US A MAP OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS. PLANO, FRISCO, THOSE ARE OUR HOT SPOT AREAS. >> (INAUDIBLE). >> STILL GOING UP. CAN'T GET OUT HERE. IT'S A MAJOR ACCIDENT. GOING UP ON THE FREEWAY ANYWAY. THEY'RE GONNA SEND MORE. SO YOU'RE STILL WORKING FOR TWO HOURS. THE GOTTA BE THERE NO MATTER WHAT. WE MAY AS WELL GET PAID. >> YES, SIR. THE AND YOU BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT WAS DISCUSSED. IF WE DECIDED TO NOT GO IN THIS AGREEMENT THAT COULD BE ANY SMALL CONSTABLE'S OFFICE TO ANOTHER AGENCY COMING IN OUR JURISDICTION. THE AND TO YOUR POINT THEY WILL TAKE EVEN MORE THAN THE DPS DID. PROBABLY THE FIRST ARRIVING AGENCY REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN THE AGREEMENT. THIS TIME WE ARE BEING COMPENSATED. >> THAT IS WHAT WE THOUGHT. TRUTH OF THE MATTER COULDN'T GET THERE FOR HOURS (INAUDIBLE). >> HOW HARD IT IS NOT TO SAY WE. >> FIRST QUESTION I HAVE. WAS NTTA INVITED TO THIS MEETING OR ASKED TO BE HERE TONIGHT? BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND I AM SURPRISED THAT WITH THE CONTRACT OF THIS SIZE THEY DON'T HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE THIS EVENING. >> NO. WE DID NOT ASK THEM TO BE HERE. I AM SURE THEY CERTAINLY COULD HAVE BEEN BUT THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD THEY HAVE BEEN CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO NEGOTIATING THIS AGREEMENT. IT'S EITHER WE TAKE IT OR YOU GET SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT. >> YEAH, SO MY FRUSTRATION IS [02:05:02] LESS WITH THEM NOT ASKING AND MORE US NOT OFFERING BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED IN MY TIME LIVING IN NORTH TEXAS WHICH HAS BEEN MY ENTIRE LIFE IS THE NTTA IS THIS PSEUDOGOVERNMENTAL BLACK BOX NOBODY CAN FIGURE OUT THAT HAS TWO APPOINTMENTS FROM ALL FOUR COUNTY THAT IS OVERSEE ITS OPERATION WHICH SOMEBODY BUT THEY OPERATE ON THEIR OWN AND ARE SUPPOSED TO COLLECT TOLLS THAT ARE EVENTUALLY SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THESE TOLL ROADS THAT NEVER GET PAID FOR. ITS AN INCREDIBLE OPERATINGED NO. IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING THAT THEY WOULDN'T BOTHER TO COME TO THE CITIES THAT THEY SO DID HE PRATLY NEED AND ASK US FOR OUR SUPPORT. I GUESS THAT'S WHY I AM IRRITATED. HOW MANY CMV DO WE HAVE, ONE AND A HALF? YEAH, ONE AND A HALF CMV OFFICERS, AND PRETTY MUCH. AL WE GENERALLY ENFORCING ROADWAYS. >> YES. ALL OF THE ABOVE. >> OKAY. GOOD ENOUGH. >> TO YOUR POINT MAYOR, WE HAVE CONDUCTED AN AVERAGE OF 500ENS ZOO ON THE TOLLWAY WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT. >> CBE, THAT'S THE WORD. I KEEP SAYING THE WRONG ACRONYM. >> I HAD TO GET THERE TOO. >> WOULD WE ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO UP THAT GIVEN THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE DOING ANY SUPPLEMENTAL ENFORCEMENT OF CBE OR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. >> NEED TO BE FOR ENFORCEMENT. WITH THE ENFORCEMENT WE NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEND A LITTLE EXTRA TIME TALKING WITH DPS AND NTAA. THEY DIDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME DOING TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ON OUR STRETCH OF THE TOLLWAY BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME IT WAS ONE OF THE SAFER AREAS OF THE ENTIRE TOLLWAY. SO THAT SAID WE ARE ALREADY SPENDING TIME ON THE TOLLWAY DOING ENFORCEMENT. I WOULD ANTICIPATE WE WOULD DEDICATE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO THAT WHICH AGAIN THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES CERTAINLY HELPS THAT. >> SO WHO SPOTTED THAT? GOD JOB. DIFFERENT THINGS IN MY MIND OR ACTUALLY THREE. THERE IS EMERGENCY, EMS, FIRE RESPONSE. THERE IS POLICE STOPS AND POLICE PATROL. WE RESPOND TO AND FIRE AND POLICE ANYWHERE ON I30 INCLUDING BRIDGE. DO WE PATROL? IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD WE SET UP SPEED ENFORCEMENT ON THE BRIDGE PORTION WHICH IS TECHNICALLY DALLAS? >> I. >> NO. SOUTH OF THE CITY LIMITS WHERE IT GOES TO THE GARLAND. >> WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES SO COULD DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AS WELL. >> WHAT ABOUT ON I30? >> WE DON'T USUALLY DO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE. OUR CBE PERSONNEL THAT USUALLY SET UP IN ROCK WALL AND CATCH THEM HEADING WEST AND PULL THEM OVER AT DALROCK. WITH THE TRAFFIC IT'S NOT SAFE TO DO ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. >> ADD IT'S NOT SAFE TO BE RUNNING TRAFFIC EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ASKING THEM TO DO THAT. JUST KNOW IT'S NOT SAFE PERIOD. >> AND I DON'T DISAGREE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A BOUNDARY THAT WE CAN'T DO. THE PROJECT FROM CITATIONS? >> THEY WILL BE GOING TO OUR CITY PORTION. >> EVERYBODY GET A CUT. >> OH, FOR CBE. >> SPEEDING CITATIONS. >> THE SPEED TRAFFIC TO MAKE THE BUDGET. >> WILL WE HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO OUR DISPATCH SYSTEM? ARE ALREADY RESPONDING THEREE- BUZZ I JUST WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION. WHAT I THINK THEY ARE MISSING IN THEIR CALCULATION IS THE DISPATCHING COST. AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S A MYSELF. THEY HAVE THE COST OF THE OFFICER. AL THEY HAVE THE COST OF THEIR VEHICLE. BUT I WOULD THINK UNDER THIS NEW METHODOLOGY THEY WILL SAVE SOME KIND OF MONEY ON DISPATCHING IF THEY ARE THE ONES WE ARE RELAYING TO. THE OUR DISPATCHERS ARE CALLING NTTA WHICH IS DIS. [02:10:04] PAING DPS THEY THEY NO LONGER NEED THAT FUNCTION. ALL THEY HAVE TO HAVE ARE CAMERA GUYS THAT ARE ROUTEING CALLS BACK TO US. THE BUT THEY'RE NOT I WOULDN'T THINK. IT COULD BE WRONG. BUT IF THEY ARE SAVING THAT COST, THEN WE SHOULD BE RECEIVING THAT IN SOME WAY AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. >> THERE WILL BE TIME SAVED ON RESPONSE TIMES GOING UP THERE BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE TRANSFERRED BECAUSE WE MAY NOT GO. AND IF ROWLETT DOES NOT GO OUT IT'S BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S CLOSE. BUT FOR THE MOST PART. THE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE FOR TRAUMA AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND TRAFFIC AND WHATEVER. SO DIS. PA, NTTA DOES NEED THEIR DISPATCH POUT. IF WE GET ASKED THAT QUESTION JUST AMONGST THE OTHER CITIES IF THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED. IT'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH. >> HAS THE NTTA CONSIDERED FORMAL IT OWN POLICE FORCE? >> THAT DISCUSSION DID COME UP. AND I GUESS UNDER TEXAS LAW THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO. >> AND COLLEGES ARE. >> SCHOOL DISTRICTS. >> BUT NOT TOLLWAY AUTHORITY. THE OTHER REASON I SAY THAT IS WE HAVE TWO PROBLEM SPOT OR AT LEAST ONE IN OUR CITY. THE ON RAMP AT MERIT WHERE MERIT THE 1-9 TOLLWAY MERGES ONTO PGBT GOING NORTH. THAT TO ME IS A PROBLEM SPOT. AND I WENT AND SPOKE TO THEM ABOUT THATTIVE BE. AND I GOT A LOT OF PLACATEMENT. WOULD SAY IT WOULD HELP IF YOU CAN HELP OUT WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM SPOT ESPECIALLY AS THE BUSINESS DISTRICT STARTS TO CONTINUE RAMPING UP GETTING MORE TRAFFIC THAT ARE GETTING ON 190 AND PGBT RIGHT THERE. THE CONSTRAINT ON THAT IS DANGEROUS. I DO LIKE THEY ADDED THE ADDITIONAL WRITING SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK TELL ME FOR THAT AS WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE ADDED A TON OF LIGHTING UP AND DOWN THE. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL MY COMMENT. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. I SEE I30 THE POSITION IT'S PUT US IN BOTH RESPONDING OUT THERE AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO BE EXPOSED TO AND JUST THE NATURE OF BEING IN A HIGH SPEED ENVIRONMENT. AND I WORRY ABOUT THE SAME THING HERE ON 190. WHAT YOU SAID, WE DON'T DO IT. IT WILL EITHER BE A MUCH LONGER RESPONSE TIME OR JUST GOING TO BE A MESS. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKED DOWN UPON BECAUSE IT'S STILL OUR COMMUNITY ULTIMATELY. DO YOU HAVE ALSO THE NTTA? >> YES, SIR. >> YEAH, IT'S IN THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE FOR US. I MEAN IT'S IN THE CITY SO WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. SO WE'RE THERE. SINCE DAY ONE. >> THE FIVE MILL, THE POLICE. >> ABSOLUTELY. TRY NOT TO KICK HIM TOO HARD, CHIEF. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> JUST I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, IF I WERE A DPS CONTROL OFFICER IN NORTH DALLAS AND I GET INTO A CHASE AND I GO TO RICHARDSON, I'M STILL IN THE CHASE AND PLANO, I'M STILL IN THE CHASE AND COME OVER HERE AND GET TO GARLAND, NOW HOW IS THAT HANDLED? THROUGH THIS NEW ARRANGEMENT, THE DPS IS CHASING SOMEBODY CAUGHT ON RADAR SPEEDING AND THEY'RE RUNNING, DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL RISK AS IT RELATES TO ADDITIONAL CHASES THAT OCCUR AND END UP HERE? >> THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO BECAUSE WE HAVE STRICT POLICIES AND GUIDELINES WITH REGARD TO OUR PURSUITS. SO IF IT DOESN'T MEET OUR [02:15:01] PURSUIT CRITERIA WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS A VIOLENT FELON IN PROGRESS WE WILL OF COURSE ASSIST WITH SHUTTING DOWN TRAFFIC AND ROADWAYS BUT WE DO NOT ALLOW OUR OFFICERS TO DIRECTLY ENGAGE IN HIGH-SPEED PURSUITS UNLESS IT MEETS OUR POLICY. >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION, DO WE HAVE TO ALTER OUR POLICY? >> THE ONLY IMPACT IF IT ENDS IN OUR CITY AND THERE'S A WRECK WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HANDLING THE WRECK AT THAT POINT. >> THEY'LL LIKELY CONTACT AND IN ENGAGING IN THAT PURSUIT IS IT WORKING -- >> LOCALS. >> JUST THE LOCALS. HIGHWAY PATROL CHASES, I GUESS THEY'RE ALWAYS IN THOSE THINGS. >> YEAH, USUALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE'LL BE NOTIFIED THROUGH COMMUNICATION THAT IS A PURSUIT IS COMING INTO OUR JURISDICTION AND THEN THAT INFORMATION IS GIVEN TO THE SUPERVISOR OR A WATCH COMMANDER, A LIEUTENANT, THAT ULTIMATELY DIRECTS OUR OFFICERS ON WHAT WE SHOULD. >> USUALLY THE CONCERN WITH TAKING SHORT-TERM COSTS-- OR SHORT-TERM PICK UP IN REVENUE AND APPLYING IT TO LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS OR EXPENSES, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE MATCHED BUT I DO ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS OF WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL EXPOSURE FOR OUR OFFICERS, THE COST OF THIS, SO MATCHING COST WITH THAT, DO WE CONSIDER THAT OR HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT? >> I THINK JUST TO GO BACK TO THE POINT, NT D-- NTDA ARE CLEAR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ADJUST THIS FOR US. SO WE'RE IN A SITUATION OF TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT SO IF COUNCIL HAS AN EXPECTATION TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT AGREEMENT -- >> I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ADDITIONAL WE HAVE HERE BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE ADDITIONAL RISK THAT WE'RE EXPOSING. YOU HAVE A WINDFALL OF INCOME MATCHING TO THE RISK. >> AND ANOTHER BLOCKER. IF WE NEED ANOTHER... >> SO IN THE AGREEMENT I READ THAT IT SAYS THEY WILL STILL BE SENDING HOURS THEIRS AND SHOD THEY'LL LOOK AT THE CAMERA AND SEE CHIEF HAL-- SORRY. >> THEY WILL SEE HIS GUYS OUT THERE, THEY'VE GOT ONE OUT THERE, YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOW UP. THEY'LL DISPATCH IT AND WE'LL NEVER KNOW. WE CAN PULL IT OR MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION IF WE SHOWED UP AND IN OUR VIEW TO GO TO I30 OR WHATEVER. >> IN TALKING TO THOSE FOLKS THAT WAS NOT THE CASE, IT WAS NOT ON A ROUTINE BASIS BUT THEY WERE QUICK IN GETTING THEIR BLOCKERS AND GOING OUT THERE FOR US. >> TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ESTIMATE AND HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO GET THERE SO THEY CAN FREE IT UP? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED TO ASK FOR IT OR NOT BUT JUST TALKING TO MY CREWS THEY DID NOT FEEL LIKE NTA WAS SLOW TO GET THEIR BLOCKERS OUT AND REPLACE OURS. >> JUST TO CHIME IN ON THAT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO WORK MAJOR ACCIDENTS ON THE TOLLWAY AND WE REQUEST ROADSIDE SINCE AND THE BLOCKER AND THE ARROW TRUCK THEY WILL SEND OUT TO STUFF. WE TRY AND GET ETAS TO CREWS ON SCENE. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO IN DISPATCH. >> IN TALKING TO THE CREWS ABOUT THIS, THE FIRE CREWS, THE ONE COMPLAINT THAT I DID HAVE WAS THE SPEED IN WHICH THEY WOULD GET OUT THERE. PARTICULARLY ON EVENINGS, WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. IT MIGHT BE AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS WHAT THEIR TIME LIMIT WAS AND THAT IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY CALL OUR OWN TO GET OUT THERE AND HELP US BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO EXTEND US OUT THERE FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME. AGAIN, NOT BASHING ON ETS. THEY'RE OFF-DUTY AND SOMEWHERE ON ANOTHER CALL SO THEY'RE OUT THERE TO GET DRESSED AND 40 MILES OUT THERE TO US. IT'S JUST THE UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD NO WORK WITH. THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY OUT ON PATROL AND STUFF, THEY WERE COMING FROM THEIR HOMES AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE HAVING THOSE LONG WAITS. WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH MY STAFF THEY WERE VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS AGREEMENT IN US BEING REGULAR WORKERS AND RATHER THAN ETS AND THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE. IT WILL HELP OUR TIME OUT THERE. >> YOU JUST MADE ME THINK OF THAT QUESTION THAT I ALMOST FORGOT. >> THANKS A LOT. [CHUCKLING] >> THEIR TOTAL SERVICE GOES AWAY [02:20:03] AND OUR TOTAL SERVICE COMES IN BECAUSE IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE HOW LONG YOU'RE OUT THERE. >> SO OUR OFFICERS WILL CONTACT NTA. >> BUT THE RESPONSE FOR OTHER THINGS SUCH AS SERVICE PATROLS THEY WILL CONTACT OTHER COMPANIES FOR TOWS OR PEOPLE OUT OF GAS. >> FOR THOSE IN THE PAST WE'LL WORK THIS AND GET OUR GUYS OUT THERE BECAUSE WE WERE STUCK OUT THERE AND COULDN'T LEAVE AND THEN CALL THE RECORD AND THERE'S A BATTLE ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONTRACT WHO IS DOING WHAT. >> AND WE STILL HAVE NTS THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT-- NTX. WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, THEY PROVIDE A VITAL SERVICE. >> AND IF THE OFFICERS HAVE INCREASED EXPOSURE THEY GO THROUGH TRAINING AND HIGHWAY MANAGEMENT SAFETY. >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS IMPORTANT. >> ALL RIGHT. SO STEP ONE, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AGREEMENT? >> NO. >> STEP TWO, ARE WE MORE IN LINE WITH THE FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE CHIEF? >> A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF ON THAT, I KIND OF SEE WHAT I LIKE. WHAT DO YOU LIKE? >> SO I LIKE THE STAFFING OPTION. AND, AGAIN, THAT WAS BY FAR AND ABOVE THE TOP CHOICE OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT WHEN WE GOT THE FEEDBACK WE LISTED IT AS NUMBER ONE BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET THESE POSITIONS THROUGH THE NORMAL BUDGETING PROCESS. WE ADDED -- WE'RE PROPOSING THE LIEUTENANT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE IMPACTS WE'LL FEEL ON THE TOLLWAY IS GENERALLY DURING THE DAY AND RIGHT NOW ONE LIEUTENANT MANNING THE PROCESS FOR THE DAYS OF THE WEEK AND HE CANNOT MANAGE SEVEN DAYS AND IT WILL BE ON THE DAY SHIFT TO MANAGE THE RESPONSIBILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH A MAJOR ACCIDENT OR SOME TYPE OF IMPACTS ON THE TOLLWAY. ONE NOTE ON THAT THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON THIS AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY WITH THE STAFFING AND ADDING POSITIONS ON A SHORT-- POTENTIALLY SHORT-TERM AGREEMENT ALTHOUGH WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE LONG TERM IS NOT IDEAL. SHOULD THE COUNCIL AGREE THAT IS THE BEST CHOICE AND IT WENT-- THE UNIDEAL SITUATION IS THAT AGREEMENT WENT AWAY AND THE SHERIFF SOMEHOW AGREED IN A YEAR SHE'S GOING TAKE THIS ON, I WOULD WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON SOME CREATIVE STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS THAT SHORTFALL WHETHER THAT BE FREEZING POSITION INFORMATION THE FUTURE, HOLDING VACANCIES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO OFFSET THE COLLINS OF THOSE POSITIONS, IT WOULDN'T BE ALL IN AND WE'RE STUCK WITH THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THIS REGARD. >> AND THE OPTION ONE WITH HEAVY STAFFING AND MECHANICS AND THINGS, THE CHALLENGE WITH IS YOU BRING EMPTY MECHANICAL AND-- YOU BRING IN THE MECHANICAL AND CAN WE BLEND OPTION ONE AND TWO? BECAUSE I SEE MORE PATROL OFFICERS VERSUS MECHANICS. I LIKE THAT. AND I DO HEAR YOU BUT I SEE... AND I WOULD ARGUE TWO MORE FOR YEARS. SO IF WE MERGED OPTION ONE AND TWO. I'LL THROW THAT OUT. >> 100%, 100%. KUDOS TO KRISTOFF WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT AND THAT COULD BE ALTERED TO POLICE OFFICERS OR VEHICLES. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON. >> CAN I SEE THE POLICY HERE, TRUTHFULLY ARE YOU COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. >> SHOCK! [LAUGHTER] >> THIS JUST GIVES US THE CHANCE TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT AND GO IN THAT DIRECTION. >> CHIEF, ANOTHER THING ADDING ON TO THAT, OPTION THREE, THE AI TECHNOLOGY TOOLS AS FAR AS HELPING THOSE CALLS THAT WOULD GO TO EMERGENCY IS VITAL TOO BECAUSE WE HAVE THE VOLUME THAT YOU EXPECT BUT IF YOU GET REALLY BUSY AND THE COUNCILOR WERE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD LOVE THE 911 HANDLING THAT TOO SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD RESOURCE TO ADD IN THAT. >> HOW EMERGENTS IS THE COUNCIL NEEDS FOR THE DISPATCH? >> WELL, ANYONE WHO -- >> JUST ONE SECOND. [02:25:04] >> CAN YOU NOT TAKE CARE OF THAT? >> SO THE CONSOLES ARE TECHNICALLY FUNCTIONAL. >> THAT'S THE BEST KIND OF FUNCTIONAL, THE TECHNICAL FUNCTIONAL. >> WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY OPERATIONAL FUNCTIONALITY BUT THE DOCUMENTED DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. THE CONSOLE HEATERS AND FANS REQUIRED ON ALL FOUR PRIMARY CONSOLES, THE ALIGNMENT MECHANISMS HAVE MALFUNCTIONED BECAUSE THEY'RE STAND AND SIT DESKS AND BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS AS IT GOES UP OR DOWN FOR SOME REASON ONE SIDE KICKS OVERLY AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE SHOOTING PROCESS TO GET IT IT P TO RESET-- PROCESS TO GET IT TO RESET BAN BEING TO NORMAL. SOMETIMES IN THE PAST THE RESET FUNCTION WILL TAKE THE DESK ALL THE WAY DOWN AND YOU CAN'T REALLY USE IT A WHOLE LOT UNTIL YOU GET IT TO RESET AND COME BACK UP. ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION I BASICALLY CALLED AND THERE AND PULLING WIRES AND ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO TURN IT OFF AND ON AGAIN UNTIL WE GET IT TO START WORKING AGAIN. IT'S A RARE OCCURRENCE THAT THAT HAPPENS, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE WHEN IT HAPPENS AT 3 A.M. AND ONE OR TWO DISPATCHERS YOU HAVE TO GET CREATIVE TO HANDLE YOUR CALL VOLUME AT THE TIME. THE CONSOLE LIGHTING HAS EXPERIENCED FAILURES, STROBING AND FLICKERING. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A STROBE LIGHT GO OFF, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT WILL DO, THE BACK LIGHTS WILL JUST GO CRAZY. THE CONSOLE SOFTWARE, THE CONSOLES HAVE AN ONBOARD SOFTWARE, COMPUTERS, AND YOU CONTROL CERTAIN THINGS. IT'S HAD FAILURES WHERE IT JUST DOESN'T COMMUNICATE WITH IT. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE APPS, YOU KNOW, YOU GO THROUGH THE APP ON THE PHONE TO GET IT TO DO ANYTHING SO MOST PEOPLE MESS WITH IT AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE AS THIS STAGE. USB PORTS ON THE INTERNET HAVE FAILED ON A COUPLE OF THE CONSOLES. THE FRONT EDGE HAS BASICALLY WORN OFF TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S OBVIOUSLY SCRATCHING PEOPLE AND THEY'RE TAKING DUCT TAPE TO COVER THAT UP. THEN THE DUCT TAPE WEARS OFF. THESE ARE 24/7, 365 CONSOLES. THERE'S SOMEBODY AT THEM 24/7. THEN JUST THE OVERALL REPAIR SUPPORT HAS BEEN A BIT OF AN ISSUE. THESE CONSOLES CAME FROM ZYBECS AND WE ASKED THEM TO SEND OUT TECHS TO LOOK AT THESE AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T. THEY'LL SEND US PARTS TO REPLACE THINGS, AND THEN WE BASICALLY HAVE TO TRY AND FIX IT OURSELVES OR GET I.T. TO COME IN AND FIX IT WHICH I.T. DOES THEIR BEST BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT EXPERTS ON HOW THESE THINGS ARE WIRED. IF YOU LOOK UNDERNEATH THEM, IT'S JUST AN ABSOLUTE LABYRINTH OF WIRES AND CABLES. YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET UNDER THERE AND FIGURE OUT, THIS CABLE HERE, OKAY, THIS IS MY ISSUE BUT WHEN I TRACE THIS CABLE AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT JUST WENT. SO THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH THOSE CONSOLES. THEY ARE TECHNICALLY FUNCTIONAL. THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING OUR OPERATION YOU KNOW, 9.9% OF THE-- 99.9% OF THE TIME. BUT IT'S A CASE IF WE HAVE MONEY COMING IN IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS AS CHIEF ALLUDED TO, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON A NORMAL YEAR IT WOULD BE A PRETTY BIG ASK BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS EXTRA MONEY COMING IN MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING EASIER TO CONSIDER. >> ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HELD BACK ON THE PROPOSAL TO REPLACE THE CONSOLES IS BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AND LIKELY WOULD BE INCLUDED PRESUMABLY FOR FF & E. IF WE DIDN'T UPGRADE THE CONSOLES ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THIS WE PURCHASE A HIGH ENOUGH QUALITY PRODUCT THAT CAN BE BROKEN DOWN AND MOVED TO ANOTHER FACILITY BECAUSE TYPICALLY THOSE DESKS AREN'T DESIGNED TO BE SET UP, TAKEN DOWN AND SET UP AGAIN. >> WHAT'S THE LIFE SPAN OF THIS? I ONLY SAY THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY INCLUDE-- CLUE. WE JUST EXTENDED THE PARK FROM '27 TO '28. I'M ASKING THE LIFESPAN OF ONE [02:30:04] OF THOSE -- >> CONSOLES. >> KWON COPE CONSOLES, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS. I'M PUSHING TO GET THESE DOWN AND IF I COME IN HERE TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE CONTRACT IS UP, I LIKELY THINK THEY'D EXTEND THAT TO YOU, BECAUSE IT'S A NO-BRAINER FOR ME, IT'S JUST WITH THIS TYPE OF MONEY, PUT IT TO USE. LONG-TERM CONCERNS, WHEELER ALMOST PASSED THIS WITH THE NEXT COUNCIL TO DEAL WITH. WHICH IS EASILY APPROVED, A POLICE OFFICER OR A DESK? WHICH ONE IS EASIER TO GET APPROVED AND COUNCIL HASN'T HAD TO DO TOO MUCH OF THAT YET. BUT I'M MORE OF ONE THAT SAYS THIS IS A GREAT AND UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU HAVE TODAY BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT PATROL OFFICERS. BUT WE'RE PUSHING IT OFF FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS ASKING THAT QUESTION AND HOPEFULLY EXPANDS THE PROJECT BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE BACK TO WHAT HAVE YOU GOT NOW? CAN YOU LOSE THOSE FOUR OFFICERS? CAN YOU LOSE THEM? YOU WANT TO KEEP THEM OBVIOUSLY AND THAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT AS A BUDGET ITEM IN A COUPLE, TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW. I'M A GUY THAT THINKS ABOUT SURE, IT'S A MILLION BUCKS, WHAT THE HECK? WHAT HAVE YOU GOT IS TEARING DOWN AND MOVING THEM AGAIN BUT WE HAVE A HUGE QUESTION MARK SAYING WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET... TWO YEARS, FOUR YEARS OR WE WANT IT TOMORROW BUT VERBALIZING MY CONCERNS AND I'M MORE OF THE ONE WHO SAYS, WHAT ARE YOUR NEEDS TODAY? WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FLEXIBLE. >> ALL RIGHT, ALIGNING THIS PLAN. WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. I'M MORE IN LINE WITH OPTION THREE BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT COMMITTING TO LONG-TERM FUNDING. I THINK WE HAVE A VETTING PROCESS THAT COMES INTO PLAY WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT ADDING STAFFING TO THE REGULAR BUDGET CYCLE. THIS SOMEWHAT CIRCUMVENTS THIS VERSUS A TRADITIONAL PROCESS THAT I'M USED TO AND I I THINKN A YEAR WE'LL HAVE A GOOD BEAT ON WHETHER OR NOT THE VARIOUS SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS TEND TO MAKE THIS A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION OR IF THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT ON THEMSELVES. IF IT'S A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION AT THAT POINT I THINK THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE TALK ABOUT WHAT ADDITIONAL HEAD COUNT WE'RE LOOKING AT. >> I'M OPTION THREE. WITH THE EXPANSION WE COULD GIVE THEM A COUPLE OF CARS. >> YEAH, SO I WOULD GENERALLY SAY WHAT MAKES US SAFER? 'CAUSE YOU'RE GETTING A WINDFALL. HOW CAN YOU USE THAT MONEY TO MAKE US SAFER. YOU'RE INCREASING LIABILITY AND YOU'VE GOT ADDITIONAL LIABILITY THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE PRIOR TO THIS. SO WHAT MAKES YOU SAFER? AND IS THERE A HYBRID WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT MAKES YOU SAFER AND IT'S NOT TAKING SHORT-TERM WINDFALL FOR LONG-TERM EXPENSES? >> SO BOTH OPTION PC ONE AND TWO CONTAIN SOME FORM OF RECURRING COST. IN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT -- >> THREE. >> THREE WOULD LIKELY HAVE SOME RECURRING COSTS AS WELL WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE CLOUD-BASED SYSTEMS. >> THAT'S FAIR. >> THE ONLY THING ASKED ABOUT THAT, ON THE AI STUFF IS THAT WE DON'T JUMP ONBOARD WITH THE VERY FIRST ONE AND DO A SEARCH HEAVILY ON THAT. >> YES. >> SO OPTION THREE, HYBRID OR GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> OPTION THREE AND AS THE COUNCILOR SAID EARLIER, DEFINITELY SOME INCREASE TO THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WHAT I SENSE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION ENHANCED CALL VOLUMES OF WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN BUT OPTION THREE FROM A COMMUNICATIONS... >> SO HYBRID BETWEEN TWO AND THREE. >> OPTION THREE, I LIKE THE COMMENT ABOUT AI, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL JUNK ONBOARD TO THAT. WHENEVER-- CAREFUL IN JUMPING ONBOARD TO THAT. WHENEVER THE OPTION IS, A CALL THAT DOESN'T GET STUCK IN THE AI WORLDS. AND YOU CANNOT GET PASSED THE AI LADY. OPT OUT IF THEY NEED TO TALK TO A LIVE PERSON TO DO THAT. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THAT. [02:35:02] I'M LIKE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST. BUT I FEEL SAFER. >> I THINK WITH SOME OF THE VENDORS ONE OF THE NEAT FEATURES ABOUT THIS, WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON NOW IS FINK IT WAS EXXON WHO ALREADY USED THE BODY CAMERAS AND STUFF BUT THEY'VE GOT ANPAY SUITE UNDER PREPARED 911, THE CALLER ON THE FIREWORKS AND THEN AI TAKING THE CALL LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN OPERATOR WOULD. THE CALLER THEN SAYS, OH, MY GOD, HE'S GOT A GUN, AND ON THAT CUE IMMEDIATELY SAYS REROUTE TO HUMAN OPERATOR. SOME OF THAT FUNCTIONALITY IS BUILT IN BASED ON WHAT THE CALLER IS TELLING THEM. IT WILL ROUTE THEM TO BASICALLY THE 911 LINE TO BE ANSWERED BUT THE HUMAN OPERATOR BASED ON KEY WORDS BEING STATED. >> I'LL CHANGE OPTION TO THE HYBRID OPTION TWO. >> OKAY. CHRIS? I'LL CHOOSE IN THOSE AREAS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR HERE AND I'M GONNA-- THREE IS DEFINITELY GOOD BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME THOUGHT AND THE HYBRID WOULD ACTUALLY BE HERE AND. CARS, IS THAT BINDING? >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS SUPER SPECIFIC WHAT OPTION THEY WANT OUT OF OPTION THREE OUT OF A COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISOR OR SOME COMMUNICATIONS FUNCTION. TO ME IT'S MORE OF THE CONSOLE REPLACEMENTS AND THE CONTROL THAT MARVIN TALKED ABOUT -- >> IMMEDIATELY. >> WHEN THE CAR GETS THERE. >> RIGHT. >> ABOUT THE CONSOLE, YOU COULD TEAR IT DOWN, AND PICK THE RIGHT ONE, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT HOW WOULD THAT WORK AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PAY US, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS UP FRONT OR 40, 50 GRAND. >> IT WILL BE CASH BASED ACCOUNTING. PAY FOR SOMETHING AND REFUND. >> THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. >> THE CHIEFS GET TRANSFORMED. >> -- TRANSFERRED. >> DOES THAT GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT. IT'S NOT SUPER CLEAR. >> THE OTHER PIECE OF THE QUESTION WE DIDN'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS ATTACHED TO ANY OF THESE THINGS. WHEN THEY BRING IT BACK WILL THERE BE EXACT NUMBERS ATTACHED TO THEM? AND THE OTHER PIECE WE'RE NOT FAR FROM THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THERE'S SERGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US-- THERE'S CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT RECOMMENDATION FROM ME OR OTHER PEOPLE, INTEREST IN LIEUTENANT AND SUPERVISOR POSITION IN COMMUNICATIONS? I THINK THOSE ARE THE POSITIONS TO HAVE APPROPRIATE SUPERVISORY STAFF IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT AS WE GET TO THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS. IS COUNCIL LOOKING AT PERSONNEL RIGHTS NOW? AND WE'LL GET SPECIFIC ABOUT OPTION THREE AND GET THAT MOVING FORWARD QUICKLY AND GET BACK TO YOU WITH PROPOSALS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC FUNDING AVAILABLE. >> CAN I ASK-- SO YOU ASKED US TO GO BACK TO NTTA TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE DISPATCHING COST AND WHETHER THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION? >> RIGHT, IT SOUNDS LIKE BASED ON THE NUMBER HERE THEY'RE CALCULATING A FULLY LOADED TROOPER WITH A VEHICLE AND MULTIPLYING BY THE LANE MILES AND GIVING US WHERE DOES DISPATCH FALL INTO THAT? IF THEY ARE CURRENTLY INCURRING THE DISPATCH COST AND NOT OUTSOURCING THE PS? >> THANK YOU. >> SO I DRIVE THAT DOWN. THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED HYBRID OF OPTION TWO THAT COULD INCLUDE -- >> THAT'S THREE. WE NEED FOUR. >> I THINK FROM WHAT I HEARD WHERE CHRIS WAS GOING THE HYBRID OPTION BETTER INFORMS BECAUSE IF WE FOUND OUT THAT HAD THE AI TOOLS ONLY COST 15 GRAND OR SOMETHING AND THE FLEET 100 CARS AND WHAT WE WANT TO ADD, DO THE MATH AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT BE COMFORTABLE WITH AND ADDING TO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET OR FUTURE BUDGETS WITH A VARIETY OF OPTIONS DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? [02:40:03] >> YES. >> WE SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN AND THE PROCESS OF DOING THE RENT. IT'S-- DO THE RESEARCH. BUT IT'S JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY WHEN WE'RE AT DECISION TIME AND HAVING TO MAKE A TYPICAL ORDINARY BUDGET DECISION BUT WE'RE UNDER THE GUN TO DO IT BECAUSE OF IT'S PART OF THE OTHER PROCESS IS CONVOLUTED. I HEARD YOU SAY WE WANT TO RESPOND TO THE SURVEY WE GOT BACK FROM THE OFFICERS. THAT'S GREAT. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE STRATEGY BUT NOT A KNEE-JERK REACTION TO ADDRESS IT THAT THE OFFICERS MIGHT HAVE EXPRESSED AS A CONCERN. MAYBE THERE'S A BIGGER STRATEGY THERE ABOUT WHAT AREAS DO WE NEED TO TARGET AND WHICH ONES ARE NOW AREAS AND WHICH ONES ARE LAYERED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE? A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH I GUESS TO ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY WANT TO ADDRESS THEM AND HAVE THE OFFICERS. >> MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUOTES FROM VENDORS ON AI STUFF TO GIVE YOU ALL A BALLPARK IDEA AND BOUNCE IT AROUND. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> THESE ARE TWO VENDORS. GUT WORKS AND ORILLIA. GUT WORKS HAD A COMBINED BUNDLE WITH THEIR, QUOTE, TEXAS CUSTOMER DISCOUNT. ABOUT 51,000 PER YEAR. >> 51 PER YEAR? BECAUSE WE ARE CLOSER TO THE DATA CENTER. THE OTHER ONE? >> ORILLIA, THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OPERATIONS THAT THEY BUNDLE TOGETHER AND THAT, AGAIN, FOR THEIR TEXAS CUSTOMERS THAT BUNDLE WOULD BE 85,000 PER YEAR. BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, YEAR TO YEAR, BASICALLY FOR WHATEVER-- YOU KNOW, IF WE WANTED TO GIVE IT A TRY FOR A YEAR AND DIDN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO CONTINUE USING THAT SOFTWARE IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO. >> MAN, I MEAN 51K IS NOT A BAD DEAL. TALKING 4K A MONTH. PROBABLY CAN'T HIRE A DISPATCHER FOR THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. READY TO ROUND THIS ONE OUT? GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ADAM, THANK THANK YOU FOR BE. I KNOW THIS IS NOT YOUR ROLE, THING TO DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND RECO . [3.C. Receive a presentation on the purchase of our Public Safety Radio system, individual radios and required software updates, as well as system and radio warranties] >> GOOD EVENING. WE'RE BACK INTO THE WORK SESSION. IT'S 8:51. 3C ON THE PURCHASE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM; EXCUSE ME, SOFTWARE UPDATES AS WELL AS SYSTEM AND RADIO WARRANTIES. AGAIN, BOTH OF OUR CHIEFS ARE HERE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL. WE'LL GO OVER. SAFETY SYSTEM A BIT. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS IT? IT'S A COMBINATION OF EQUIPMENT THAT ALLOWS US TO TALK TO EACH OTHER AND TALK TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND BASICALLY KEEP AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE FOLKS TAKING THE CALLS AND PASSING ALONG THE CALLS AND TO THE UNITS IN THE FIELD AND IT'S REALLY I LIKE TO DESCRIBE THIS AS A LIFELINE BOTH FOR OUR CITIZENS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. IT KEEPS OUR CITIZENS ABLE TO CONTACT THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND GET THEM TO THE SCENE QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY AND VICE VERSA ONCE WE'RE ON THE SCENE IT KEEPS US IN TOUCH WITH DISPATCH AND BACKUP AND OTHER ASSISTANCE FROM EITHER OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS, OTHER AGENCIES AND OTHER DEEDS THAT WE HAVE WHL WE ARRIVE. -- THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE ARRIVE. IT'S A VITAL PART OF OUR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION AND SAFETY FOR CREWS AND ANTI-SEMITISM WE ARE IN A FOR CREWS AND CITIZENS. WE ARE IN A CURRENT RELATIONSHIP WITH GARLAND AND GARLAND IS THE OWNER OF THE SYSTEM AND HAVE THE MOST INFRASTRUCTURE IN THEIR CITY, FOLLOWED BY MISQUITE AND THEN US AND TAXI. ALL OF US ARE GOING THROUGH IT AND NEITHER OF US HAS ADOPTED IT. AND MISQUITE HAS IT UNDERWAY. FROM THE 911 CALLS COMING IN TO THE HANDSHELD RADIOS IN THE FIELD. SO WHY ARE WE UPDATING THE SYSTEM? IT'S AN 7 AND 800 MEGAHERTZ SYSTEM. IT'S WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE FCC FOR ALL PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITIES TO SWITCH TO BACK RIGHTS AFTER 911 BECAUSE DURING 911 THE SYSTEMS NO ONE COULD [02:45:06] TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. FOLKS HALF A BLOCK AWAY AND THEY COULDN'T TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. THEY STARTED THIS AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE SYSTEMS. THE REASON WHY WE'RE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT DOING THE UPDATE IS THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE OUT THERE HAS COME TO THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL OF OUR HARDWARE SYSTEMS BOTH IN THE BACKBONE WHICH IS THE STUFF THAT YOU TYPICALLY DON'T SEE, THE STUFF BACK IN THE RADIO ROOMS, UNDERNEATH THE CONSOLES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONSOLE TONIGHT WITH THIS PORTION BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL RADIOS THAT ARE IN THOSE CONSOLES AS WELL AS THE ANTENNAS ON OUR TOWERS AND STUFF, THAT STUFF IS COMING TO THE END OF ITS LIFE. OUR HAND-HELD RADIOS IS AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE AND MOTOROLA IS ROLLING OUT PARTS FOR THOSE RIGHT NOW. AND WE'LL GET INTO DETAIL ON E HAND-HELD PORTION. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS SOFTWARE SAFETY AND SOFTWARE IS ALWAYS NEEDING TO BE UPDATED. SECURITY IS A HUGE PORTION OF THIS UPDATE ESPECIALLY THE CYBERSECURITY PART OF IT. THERE'S NOT A DAY THAT GOES BY THAT YOU DON'T HEAR SOME SORT OF CYBERSECURITY NIGHTMARE OR STORY WHERE SOME HACKERS ATTACKED A PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM OF SOME SORT, EITHER A WATER SYSTEM OR WHATEVER, AND OUR RADIO SYSTEMS IF WE ARE NOT UP TO DATE ALSO HAVE THOSE WORRIES AS WELL. SO THOSE AGAIN WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS UPDATE FOR THIS SYSTEM. SO FIRST OFF, WE KIND OF STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THE BACKBONE SYSTEM. THIS IS AGAIN THE STUFF THAT YOU DON'T SEE DAY IN AND OUT. FOR THAT WHAT WE WILL BE GETTING TO IN THIS PORTION OF IT IS JUST OVER $3 MILLION WORTH OF EQUIPMENT COSTS. IN OUR MAIN DISPATCH CENTER WE HAVE CURRENTLY FOUR CONSOLES, SO WE'LL BE REPLACING THE FOUR EXISTING CONSOLES AND GETTING ONE NEW CONSOLE. WHEN I TALK ABOUT CONSOLES, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE DESK THEY SIT ON OR ARE ATTACHED TO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RADIO THAT'S ATTACHED TO IT, THE COMPUTER SOFTWARE, THE COMPUTER SCREENS THAT ARE ON IT. THE DISPATCHING SOFTWARE AND THE STATION ALERT SOFTWARE, ALL OF THAT IS PARTS OF THE DISPATCH CONSOLE. THE STUFF THAT DOES THE WORK AND SENDS OUT THE MESSAGES. ALL OF THAT WILL BE REPLACED WITH NEW SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE PIECES IN OUR DISPATCH CENTER. WE'LL GET A SITE CONTROLLER AND THAT WILL BE AT FIRE STATION 2. THE TOWER BEHIND US IS ONE OF THE TOWERS FOR THIS RADIO SYSTEM THAT IS BASED THERE AT FIRE STATION 2. SO THERE WILL BE QUITE A BIT OF NEW EQUIPMENT GOING IN THERE BUT THE SITE CONTROLLER IS WHAT TALKS TO THE OTHER SITES AND LET'S OUR RADIO COMMUNICATE WITH ALL. TOWERS IN THE SYSTEM. WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THAT I CAN DRIVE FROM HERE TO GARLAND AND STAY ON OUR RADIO FREQUENCY AND TALK THE ENTIRE WAY JUST LIKE I WAS SITTING HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF ROWLETT. THEY CAN COME UP TO ROWLETT AND DROP OFF-- AND THEY DO OFTEN DROP OFF FOLKS AT LAKEPOINT HOSPITAL JUST LIKE THEY WERE TALKING FROM THEIR PARTICULAR CITIES AS WELL. BEING PARTICIPATES OF ONE LARGE RADIO SYSTEM IS REALLY GOOD FOR THE AGENCIES INVOLVED. IN IF THE BACKUP-- IN THE BACKUP, JUST OFF FIRE STATION 2, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN A ROOM THAT THAT'S DISPATCH IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE, THAT'S WHERE IT IS. THOSE TWO EXISTING CONSOLES WILL ONE. THERE WILL BE MORE CONTROLLERS THAT GET REPLACED AND MORE EQUIPMENT OUT OF DATE. I DON'T WANT TO LIST EVERY PIECE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERY PIECE DOES BUT THERE ARE CONTROLS AND SUPPLIES TO BE REPLACED WITH THAT. AT THE TOWER SITE ITSELF, THE TOWER BEHIND THE STATION WILL BE GETTING AN UPDATE WHICH I DO KNOW INCLUDES SEVERAL NEW RADIOS INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. AS WELL AS NEW ANTENNAS ON. TOWER. IN-- ON THE TOWER. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT A SYSTEM MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT AGREEMENT. BASICALLY WHAT THAT COVERS IS ALL OF IT SO IT'S GOING TO DO ALL OF THE REMOTE TECHNICAL SUPPORT AND OUR HARDWARE SUPPORT SO IF WE HAVE A BAD CONTROL OR SWITCH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE WILL GET THAT REPLACED AT NO CHARGE. VERY QUICKLY AS WELL, WE'LL GET ALL THE SECURITY UPDATES AND THEY WILL BE DONE ON A ROUTINE BASIS AS UPDATES NEED TO BE DONE, WE WILL GET THOSE. GET THE NEW DISPATCH SOFTWARE. AGAIN, I THINK-- IF I REMEMBER [02:50:05] RIGHT, THE ISSUE IS THAT CYBERSECURITY PIECE. THEN SOME OTHER SECURITY PIECE THAT IS ARE INCLUDED IN THERE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND I THINK NEEDS DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL ON IS HOW LONG DO WE WANT TO DO THE MAINTENANCE? WE'VE GOTTEN QUOTES FOR FIVE YEARS' WORTH OF MAINTENANCE, SEVEN YEARS WORTH OF MAINTENANCE AND TEN YEARS 'WORTH OF MAINTENANCE. WE'RE LOOKING AT FINANCING THIS FOR SEVEN YEARS AND I THINK WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE 7-YEAR MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THE RADIO SYSTEM. IF YOU FIGURE IN THE COST OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THAT SEVEN-YEAR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROUGHLY $5.7 MILLION. >> SO QUICK QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. >> DURING THAT SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD IF MOTOROLA THAT IS DOING THIS TAKEN A PARTICULAR MODEL. >> YUP. >> SO THE RADIOS THAT WE HAVE AND MOTOROLA IS STILL SUPPORTING THAT AT SEVEN YEARS. >> THEY WILL. AND THEY ARE TRYING TO PUSH US TO NEW RADIOS THAT ARE HOOKED IN THE CELLULAR NETWORK AND SO THEY'RE REALLY PUSHI THOSE HARD BUT STILL HAVE THESE AVAILABLE. THE GOOD THING ABOUT MOTOROLA AND THEIR WAY OF DOING BUSINESS IF THEY DISCONTINUE THEY'LL SAY IN ONE YEAR WE'RE DISCOUNTING X. SAY THIS RADIO, I'M DISCONTINUING THIS RADIO IN ONE YEAR THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN PARTS AVAILABILITY FOR FIVE TO SIX YEARS AFTER THAT. IT'S NOT HAPPENING TOMORROW AND THEN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT WE HAVE A FEW YEARS TO PLAN BEFORE IT'S OBSOLESCENCE. BET YOUR MONEY THAT NOT ONLY MOTOROLA BUT ANY RADIO VENDOR WILL OBSOLETING SOME OF THIS STUFF AS THE YEARS GO BY. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. >> QUESTION DIRECTLY. 5.6, AND YOU'RE MISSING SEVEN YEARS MATHEMATICALLY, OBVIOUSLY HONOURABLE 5.9 AND EQUIPMENT AND TAKE THE COST OF A TEN YEAR AND TAKE AWAY THE-- [INAUDIBLE] -- CLOSER THAN 5.6, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> JUST FOR CLARITY, THE COST OF EQUIPMENT AND THEN 3.5 MILLION FOR FIVE YEARS' COVERAGE. 4.3 MILLION FOR SEVEN YEARS AND 5.7 FOR THE TEN YEARS 'OF COVERAGE. HOWEVER, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO DELVE TOO FAR. TEN YEARS, OUR TOWER IS NOT SOMETHING THEY'LL BE ABLE TO OFFER US. >> HE JUST WANTED TO CORRECTS THE 5.7 MILLION NUMBER, IT'S LOWER THAN THE SEVEN-YEAR OPTION. >> THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF IMPACT WAS THE 5.7 AND WENT WITH THE TEN-YEAR OPTION. >> 5.3 IS THE CURRENT -- >> REPORTER: THE RADIO SYSTEM -- >> THE RADIO SYSTEM. >> WE'RE NOT PAYING ANY DEBT ON THE CURRENT RADIO SYSTEM, ARE WE? >> THE RADIO, CURRENTLY THE SYSTEMMUM GRADE. >> NO, TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW NOW -- >> REPORTER: 125,000 IS THE SYSTEM UPGRADE AND 125,000 IN THE BUDGET PER YEAR TO GO THROUGH NEXT YEAR FUNDED THAT'S PARTS OF THIS -- >> THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. >> WE USED THE CO TO FUND THE AMOUNT. IT WAS ORIGINALLY THAT. >> IT WAS ORIGINALLY DISCOUNTED AND PAID OFF IN ITS ENTIRETY. >> AND THE LAST UPGRADE WE DID WAS 2015. >> SO TO BE CLEAR JUST ON TIMING HERE -- >> ABOVE THE TOWER OR LAND RATHER THAN THE TOWER. >> CORRECT. THE TOWER WAS INVOLVED IN THAT, YES. SO THE MONEY THAT-- THAT IS GOING FOR THE RADIO SYSTEM STUFF I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT IN CURRENT DEBT RIGHT NOW WITH IT? >> I'M SORRY, REPEAT, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART. >> IN 2015 I BELIEVE-- I FORGET HOW MUCH MONEY IT WAS. I THINK YOU'RE ALL GONNA LOVE THIS, $24 MILLION FOR ALL CITIES [02:55:01] IS WHAT IT WAS. I DON'T KNOW OUR PORTION FOR THAT TIME BUT IF WE'RE STILL PAYING ON THAT DEBT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO TO OUR DEBT AND TO THE BUDGET PART OF THAT. >> WE'RE GONNA TRACK THAT QUESTION DOWN BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS ONE, WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO COMMIT TO MOVING FORWARD IN ORDER TO GET THE DISCOUNT OF THE $700,000 WE HAVE TO COMMIT BEFORE THE END OF OCTOBER. >> 2,000. >> SIR, MY REACTION IS THIS IS THE SAME AS OURS, THIS IS PLANNED ALL DAY LONG. THEY ARE FORCING US TO DO IT AND GIVING A GREAT DEAL OF A DISCOUNT IF WE COMMIT TO IT. >> IT'S NOT A QUESTION. >> OBLIGATION -- >> IS IT A RADIO SYSTEM RIGHT NOW BUT -- >> I ASKED THE QUESTION, SIR, AND I GOT BACK ALMOST NOTHING. IT WILL HAVE POTENTIAL TO ROLL OUT NEW FEATURES IT WILL DO MORE. >> BUT AS FAR AS THE UPGRADES IT WILL BASICALLY BE MORE SECURE AND OF COURSE THE NEWEST AND BEST ELECTRONICS OUT THERE. SO EVERYTHING WILL BE A BIT SMALLER BUT THAT'S GONNA BE THE SIZE OF IT. >> BUT IT BEHOOVES MOTOROLA TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR SYSTEM IS SECURE. IT'S NOT US THAT MAKES SURE THEY'RE SECURE BUT THEY NEED FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS THE DATA IS SECURE. >> THEY'RE SAYING THEY WON'T MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SYSTEM AND WON'T REPAIR OUR CURRENT RADIOS. >> BUT IT'S JUST-- IT'S JUST A LOT OF MONEY IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. >> IT'S HUGE. >> I HATE TO REPLACE RADIOS IF WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE RADIOS. THEY HAVE TO GO FOR FIVE YEARS AND STUFF SO IF WE HAVE A PLAN TO DO THAT THROUGH THAT LIKE MAINTENANCE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY, YEAH. I KNOW WE'RE ALL SAYING THIS TO GET IT FOR THIS PRICE AND THE DISCOUNT BUT I WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING WEAPON THINK ABOUT WHEN MAKING THIS DECISION, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THAT MONEY AND LIKE MIKE, MANAGING THE MONEY WE CAN SUSTAIN BUDGETS BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG HIT RIGHT HERE. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHY HE'S SUGGESTING THAT THE SEVEN-YEAR OPTION BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A SEVEN-YEAR TAX NOTE SO THAT THE DEBT LINES UP. THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. YOU'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING DEBT ON RADIOS THAT WE'RE RETIRING IN THE FUTURE. I APPRECIATE THAT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT EITHER. IF WHATEVER DEBT INSTRUMENT WE USE TO COVER THIS COST NEEDS TO LINE UP WITH THE LIFE SPAN OF THE ASSET. >> THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE BACKBONE OF THE SYSTEM WHICH IS THIS AND THE PORTABILITY RADIOS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. LINED UP BOTH WITH SEVEN-YEAR FINANCING. >> SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FOUR DIFFERENT CITIES. >> YES, SIR. >> IS THIS ALL ONE UNIFIED NETWORK WE'RE ON TOGETHER. >> YES, SIR. >> AND WE'RE PARTNERING WITH ALL THREES OTHER THREE CITIES-- THESE OTHER THREE CITIES IN PURCHASING FROM MOTOROLA. SO ALL THREE P CITIES NEED TO AGREE TO PUT THIS INTO EFFECT OR CAN SAME SAY WE'RE GOOD. THE LARGER CITIES LIKE GARLAND ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY HERE. >> GARLAND HAVE GOT THE BIGGEST PORTION OF THE SYSTEM CONTINUAL BASICALLY IF GARLAND BAILS AND SAYS, HEY, WE'RE JUST DOING OUR OWN THING, YOU GUYS ARE ON YOUR OWN WE HAVE TO BUY OUR OWN RADIO SYSTEM WHICH I CAN TELL YOU WILL BE A LOT MORE THAT SHE $5.6 MILLION. IF WE PUT IN SOMETHING SIMILAR THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW JUST FOR US, FOUR TO FIVE TIMES THAT JUST TO GET STARTED. >> P25 COMPLIANCE. >> GATE KEEPER. >> BUT WE'RE PROPOSING GMRS IS A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE NETWORK. IT HAS OVER 70 AGENCIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN IT WHERE THEY GET THEIR RADIOS PROGRAMMED WITH OUR CHANNEL. WHAT DO THEY CALL IT NOW? THE INOPERAABILITY CHANNEL? >> THE BLOCK OFF CHANNEL. LIKE A BIG NET. SO YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE REAL QUICK AND LIVE TIME AND THEY KNOW WHEN YOU'RE COMING AND HEAR THE CHASE COMING SO IT MAKES PERFECTING SAFER BECAUSE YOU MONITOR THAT CHANNEL, DISPATCH DOES AND THEY HEAR THAT CHASE COMING THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT THE OFFICERS CAN GET THE [03:00:05] INTERSECTIONS DOWN AND SLOW DOWN THE HIGHWAYS. WHATEVER THEY CAN DO. >> SO WE CAN'T LISTEN TO GARLAND'S TRAFFIC BUT WE CAN LISTEN TO THEIR TRAFFIC. >> ESSENTIALLY. >> JUST LIKE I'M SITTING IN THEIR STATION. >> SO HAVE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH GARLAND, ARE THEY GOING THROUGH THIS THING? >> ABSOLUTELY. THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT. MESQUITE STARTED THIS WORK RIGHT HERE AND ARE UNDERWAY. THEY'VE PAID FOR IT AND IS UNDERWAY. >> IS THERE A RADIO LICENSE THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED AND WHAT HOLDS THAT LICENSE? >> GARLAND. >> AND GARLAND OWNS EMPTY TOWER AND THE-- AND GARLAND OWNS THE TOWER AND THE MAINTENANCE ON IT. >> THERE ARE SEVERAL TOWERS. YOU'RE TALKING MULTIPLE THROUGHOUT THE RADIO SYSTEM. >> CERTAIN CITIES HAVE TOWERS AT CERTAIN PLACES. TWICE. >> YEAH. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY CONCERNS WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS? WHAT IS-- SO THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED FROM THE COUNCIL ASIDE FROM CONSENSUS BECAUSE THIS IS APPROVAL THRESHOLD, HOWEVER, IT COMMITS US TO FUTURE DEBT. >> THE APPROVAL WILL COME TO COUNCIL. YES, WE'RE COMMITTING TO A FUTURE DEBT ACQUISITION HERE. PLUS WE HAVE THE HAND-HELD RADIOS AS WELL. >> YEAH, THERE'S STILL MORE. WE'RE WAITING FOR SOME MORE. >> YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS THE ACTUAL HAND-HELD UNITS WHICH LITERALLY THIS IS ONE OF THEM. THIS RADIO BELIEVE IT OR NOT WENT OBSOLETE IN 2016 AND IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED BY MOTOROLA AND WHEN IT QUITS WORKING IT GOES IN A BOX IN AN OFFICE BECAUSE LITERALLY I CAN NO LONGER GET REPAIR PARTS OR PIECES FOR IT. THE RADIO THAT I'M GOING TO GET THAT WILL REPLACE THIS FOR OUR DOLLARS WILL LOOK IDENTICAL TO THIS ONE. YOU WON'T TELL A DIFFERENCE. ALL OF THE CHANGES WILL BE INSIDE OF IT. WITH THE NEW UPDATED ELECTRONICS AND THE NEW UPDATED SOFTWARE. YES, AGAIN, IT'S FORCED OBSOLESCENCE ON US. SO WHAT WE DID WHEN WE FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS, WE WENT THROUGH EACH OF OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT USES THE MOTOROLA SYSTEM. WE IDENTIFIED THE RADIOS-- THE TOTAL RADIOS THAT WE HAVE IN EACH DEPARTMENT AND WE IDENTIFIED THE NEEDS THAT WE FELT SO IN FIRE, WE WENT THROUGH, 125 RADIOS AND NEED TO REPLACE 48. WE HAVE 40 PLUS CONVERTED OVER TO THE NEW SYSTEM THAT WE BOUGHT SINCE THE OBSEW OBSOLESCENCE6 AND RADIOS THAT ARE DUE-- DUPLICATES THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT THEM, PREDATES ME AND WE HAVE THEM AND WE'RE GONNA USE THEM UNTIL THEY BECOME LIKE A-- BASICALLY A DOORSTOP. SO-- BUT ANYWAY, WE NEED 48 AND THAT WILL KEEP ALL OF OUR FRONTLINE APPARATUS AND POSITIONS WITH A CURRENT USABLE REPAIRABLE RADIO. POLICE DID THE SAME THING. ANIMAL CONTROL, JAIL, DIPS, AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS ALL OF THEIR RADIOS ARE OUT OF DATE AND NEED REPLACING. THAT'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. WE NEED 174 TOTAL RADIOS. AGAIN WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT. IT WE LOOKED AT THE THREE-YEAR, FIVE-YEAR-SEVEN-YEAR OPTION. WE ARE RECOMMEND BEING THE SEVEN-YEAR OPTION. JUST GOT THE PRICE WROTE FROM MOTOROLA AN HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING AND I HATE TO REPORT IT BUT I'M 30 CENTS OFF MY GUESSTIMATE HERE. THE QUOTE IS FOR 1,136,582.58. MOTOROLA DIDN'T SAVE US MONEY. >> IS THAT THE TEXAS DISCOUNT? >> THAT IS THE TEXAS DISCOUNT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. THE WARRANTY ON THE PORTABLES I'VE HAD THAT ON PORTABLES THAT I PURCHASED. IT'S WELL WORTH THE MONEY. JUST OVERRED OVERRED OVT OVER $300 A RADIO. THE BIGGEST PART IS DROPPING THE RADIO AND THESE KNOBS KNOCKED OFF. BUT I CAN GET A KNOB AT NO COST. WHATEVER IT COSTS TO SEND IT TO THEM AND GET IT BACK THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS. SO FAR THE COSTLIEST REPLACEMENT UNDER THIS. I HAD ONE OF MY FIRE CREW LEAVE THE RADIO ON THE FRONT BUMPER OF A LADDER TRUCK. THEY GOT A CALL AND THEY RAN OVER IT AND HIT IT WITH ALL THREE AXLES. NOT SURE HOW BUT THEY DID IT [03:05:01] WITH ALL THREE. THEY MASHED IT AND THE CALLER PICKED UP RADIO AND WE PUT IT IN A BOX AND MAILED IT TO MOTOROLA AND I GOT A NEW RADIO FOR $700. >> AND THE BATTERY AT SOME POINT THEY CONTINUE TO NOT RECHARGE? >> THE BATTERIES IT DOES NOT. IT'S LIKE A CAR WARRANTY AND IT COVERS THE BIG PIECES BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE TIRES AND THE OIL CHANGES. THEY'RE NOT TERRIBLE. >> ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEW LITHIUM-ION, SO MUCH BETTER THAN NICAD. SIX HOURS AND REPLACED ONCE A YEAR. I'VE GOTTEN SEVEN OUT OF THESE NEW BATTERIES AND THIS BATTERY IS GOING ALL DAY. I WAS OUT ON THE STREET A LOT OF TODAY AND IT WAS A VERY BUSY DAY IN TOWN AND THAT BATTERY LASTED ME ALL DAY AND GOT HALF OF ITS NEWS. SO NEW TECHNOLOGY ALTHOUGH WE KIND OF MAKE FUN OF IT, THE NEWER TECHNOLOGY IS SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN WHAT WE USED TO HAVE AND FUNCTIONS QUITE A BIT BETTER. JUST I WANTING THE IN OPERABILITY WITH THE SYSTEM. WE HAD A LARGE STRUCTURE FIRE AND GARLAND AND MESQUITE HELPED US AND FOUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN TOWN WERE ALL ABLE TO JUST TURN ON THE RADIOS TO THE EVENT AND THEY WERE RESPONDING IN THE CITY WITH US LIKE THEY WERE PART OF OUR DEPARTMENT WITH A FEW FLICKS ON IF THE RADIO. IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL TO US AND OUR CITIZENS PARTICULARLY FOR THE CONTINUITY OF COVERAGE EVEN WHEN WE'RE BUSY OTHERS COME IN AND RESPONDING JUST LIKE THEY'RE ONE OF OUR UNITS. IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY HELPFUL. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> MAYBE. YES, SIR. >> SO THE METER PLACED-- THE LIFE SPAN OF THE ONES THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REPLACE? >> THE ONES THAT WE'RE NOT? >> YES. >> SO IF THEY'RE THE NEWER MODEL AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S ONE LETTER DIFFERENCE IN THE SERIAL NUMBER. AND SO THIS ONE IS WHAT'S CALLED AN AM RADIO AND THE NEW ONES ARE BNS. WE HAD SEVERAL AND I ANTICIPATE THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE NEXT SIX TO SEVEN YEARS. THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AND THESE. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO UPDATE THEM AND KEEP THEM REPAIRED AND FUNCTIONING. NOW THE AM RADIOS ARE GOOD UNTIL THEY FAIL. ONCE THEY FAIL THEY'RE DONE SO YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE. A LITTLE BIT DEPENDS ON THE MODEL NUMBER OF THE RADIO AS WELL. MY RADIO THAT WE USE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS AN EXTREME THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME MODELS, MOTOROLA XDS-6,000S AND MINE IS MORE RUGGED. AND IT'S STRICTLY FOR FIREFIGHTERS. IT IS BUILT LIKE A TANK. YOU CANNOT RUN OVER IT WITH A FIRE TRUCK BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW I HAVE TAKEN THIS-- NOT THIS RADIO BUT A RADIO VERY SIMILAR TO IT AND I CAN THROW IT ACROSS THE PARKING LOT AND PICK IT UP AND IT'S FINE. ON ONE OF THE DEMOS I DID FOR MY PREVIOUS COUNCIL TO SHOW THEM THE BENEFITS OF THIS RADIO I DROPPED IT IN THE BUCKET OF WATER AND LET IT SIT FOR AN HOUR AND STARTED TALKING ON IT TO ANOTHER RADIO. THEY'RE BUILT TO WITHSTAND THAT. CHIEF DINNINGS' IS LESS RUGGADIZED AND IT'S RUGGED AS WELL AND WILL TAKE WATER AND OTHER THINGS VERY WELL. THEY WILL LAST QUITE A BIT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA FAIL AND WHEN THEY DO FAIL NOW WE NEED THEM AND DON'T HAVE ONE TO REPLACE IT. >> SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BUILT-IN EXTRAS UP HERE. >> WE DO HAVE EXTRAS, YES. >> WE'VE GOT 12 IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WE BUILT IN EXTRAS. >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE OTHER RADIOS? >> BASICALLY THE SHAPE THEY'RE IN. IF THEY'VE GONE BAD AND WE CAN'T REPAIR THEM THEY GO INTO A BOX AND SELL THEM TO SOMEBODY FOR SPARE PARTS. THEY JUST OPTION THEM THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS. IF IT'S-- WHAT I PROPOSE WE DO WITH SOME OF OUR RADIOS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT ARE OBSOLETE THEY CAN TURN THEM INTO EVENT RADIOS OR LARGE SCENE RADIOS LIKE THE TORNADOES GOES THROUGH AND WE HAVE PEOPLE OFF THE RADIO SYSTEM. LIKE AS I SAID WE'VE GOT FOLKS COMING IN FROM OKLAHOMA TO HELP US WE HAND THEM RADIOS TO UTILIZE ON OUR SYSTEM TO GIVE US ASSISTANCE AND COLLECT THEM BACK BUT WE COULD USE THEM FOR EVENT RADIOS FOR OUR COMMUNITY STAFF DOWNTOWN WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS WITH US. [03:10:02] RIGHT NOW POLICE AND FIRE HAVE TO CARRY A LITTLE SMALL RADIO THAT THEY PUT UP HERE SO THEY CAN HEAR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IS GOING BAD AND SOME OF OUR EVENT STAFF NEED HELP WE HAVE TO HEAR IT ON THIS ONE AND RELAY THE INFORMATION AND WE COULD HAVE THE EVENTS FOLKS ON THE SAME RADIOS AND JUST SWITCH OVER, FIRE, I NEED YOU HERE. >> SO THERE'S NO MONEY GIVEN BACK TO US IF WE GIVE THEM THE RADIOS AND THEY RESELL THEM >> MOTOROLA, I ASKED THEM AND THEY WILL NOT TAKE THEM IN ON A TRADEIN. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO JUST GO ON WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER AND OUR QUESTIONS. ROUGHLY THERE'S 70 RADIOS YOU'RE NOT REPLACING. WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK TO COUNCIL TO ASK FOR THOSE? >> THAT WILL THIS BE-- SO THEY WILL BE THE EXACT SAME MODEL NUMBER AS THIS ONE AND WHEN THEY GO OBSOLETE THAT'S WHAT IT IS AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN. IF YOU GO BY THE WAY THAT AN WENT, SEVEN TO TEN YEARS. THEY WENT OBSOLETE IN 2016 AND THEY QUIT MAKING THEM THEN AND JUST NOW RUNNING OUT OF PARTS FOR. SO YOU CAN EXPECT SOMETHING SIMILAR. >> TO COME BACK TO COUNCILOR GIBBS' QUESTION, WE STILL OWE DEBT. THE LAST DEBT ISSUANCE FOR THE PURCHASE WAS A 15-YEAR ISSUANCE WHICH WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING IN THIS CASE. SO WHEN WE ACTUALLY ISSUE THE DENT FOR THIS ONE-- DEBT FOR THIS ONE WE HAVE TWO MORE YEARS AT $242,000 A YEAR. SO TO MORE PAYMENTS WHEN WE ISSUE THE DENT FOR THIS SHOULD COUNCIL MOVE FORWARD. SO THE PLAN HERE JUST GO ON TIMING AGAIN IS TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE RADIOS BUT WE WILL NOT FINANCE THAT AND WE WILL USE CASH AND THEN REIMBURSE OURSELVES WITH A DEBT ISSUANCE IN FY-28. SO THE DEBT FOR THIS WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL FY-28 AND SEVEN-YEAR DEBT WHICH WILL THEN ALIGN WITH THE EXPECTED LIFE SPAN OF BOTH THE HAND-HELD RADIOS AND THE OTHER SYSTEM AS WELL. >> AND THE RADIOS COME IN AND START TO GET USED IMMEDIATELY? >> YES. >> SEVEN-YEAR WARRANTIES. >> SEVEN-YEAR WARRANTY. >> HOW DOES THIS LINE UP WITH THE DEBT ISSUED NOW? >> THEY MAY BE A BIT-- YOU'RE RIGHT, BUY THEM A LITTLE EARLIER AND WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME WHERE WE STILL HAVE SOME DEBT FOR THE RADIOS IF THEY ARE UNUSABLE IN SEVEN YEARS. >> DO THEY COME WITH A ONE-YEAR MANUFACTURER WARRANTY AND WE'RE BUYING AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN YEARS. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY? >> THAT'S TRUE. WE TALK ABOUT SEVEN YEARS' OF WARRANTIES BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX. >> ONE PLUS. >> SO HERE'S THE FUNDING SCHEDULE PUT TOGETHER. TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION, WE'RE PLANNING ON COMING BACK WITH THE CONTRACT FOR YOU ALL TO APPROVE ON EMPTY 20TH -- ON THE 20TH. BASED ON WHAT YOUR WISHES ARE TONIGHT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONTRACT EXECUTED BY THE 27TH FOR THAT CONTRACT. THE BONDS WILL GO NEXT AUGUST. CLOSING AND DELIVERY WOULD START IN '27-- I'M SORRY, SEPTEMBER OF '27 AND THEN THE ACTUAL WORK AND THE FIRST PAYMENT TO MOTOROLA WILL BE DUE IN THE QUARTER-- ACTUALLY, JUST TO THE NEXT ONE. PROJECT SCHEDULE IN OCTOBER ASSUMING YOU APPROVE IT, THE HAND-HELD RADIOS WOULD BERD-- ORDERED TO HERE IN DECEMBER, JANUARY AND TO GET THE PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING AND AS SOON AS THEY GO INTO SERVICE THAT'S WHEN THE WARRANTY STARTS, JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, THAT'S WHEN THE WARRANTY WOULD START ON THE HAND-HELD RADIOS. OCTOBER 27, THEY WILL START DOING THE MAPPING OUT OF OUR RADIO SYSTEM. DECEMBER TO JANUARY IS WHEN THEY WOULD LOOK AT STARTING SOME OF THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL WORK ON THAT AND THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO FINISH IT UP IN SUMMER OF '28. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TWO SLIDES? >> SURE. >> SO THE RADIOS ORDERED IN OCTOBER. >> YES, SIR. >> RECEIVE THEM IN DECEMBER AND NOT ISSUE BONDS UNTIL THE NEXT AUGUST OR WHATEVER IT WAS. >> CORRECT. >> YUP. >> THEN THE BONDS -- [03:15:04] >> CORRECT. >> DID YOU SAY 2028? >> FISCAL YEAR '28 WHICH IS OCTOBER '27. >> I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US EXPLORE A WAY TO MAKE THOSE LIFETIMES TO LINE UP. I REALIZE IT'S LIKELY THAT JUST BECAUSE THE WARRANTY IS ONLY FOR SEVEN YEARS AND WILL LAST LONGER, I GET THAT AND SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A TWO-YEAR VARIANCE IS A HUGE DEAL BUT IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE THAT LINE UP SO WE DON'T SADDLE A FUTURE COUNCIL WITH THE SAME THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, A 15-YEAR NOTE AND TWO YEARS WE'RE PAYING ON DESPITE HAVING TO REPLACE RADIOS NOW. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE FY-28 IS TWO YEARS AWAY. >> IT'S REALLY ONLY A YEAR. >> CORRECT. >> THAT'S TRUE. >> IT ACTUALLY STARTS, WHAT, FRIDAY OR THURSDAY? >> '27 STARTS ON THURSDAY. >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACTIVATE THE RADIOS AND THEREFORE GO INTO THE WARRANTY PERIOD UNTIL HALFWAY THROUGH FISCAL YEAR '27. >> CORRECT, SO REALLY SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS OFF. >> WHEN DOES THE WARRANTY START, WHEN WE ACTIVATE? >> YEAH, THE WARRANTY WILL ACTIVATE IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY AND THE DEBT WILL BE ISSUED IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER. >> I THINK THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU NOW, WHEN DO WE ASK FOR DEBT ISSUANCE AUTHORIZATION? >> THIS IS SEVEN YEARS ENHANCING AND TWO YEARS OPTION HIS, THE TAX NOTE OR [INAUDIBLE] -- AND SUBJECT TO ALL OTHER ITEMS AND THE MARKET CONDITIONS AT THE TIME TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION. GENERALLY PART OF ISSUANCE IT'S BETTER PRICING. TAX NOTE IS A SHORTER LINE OF DEBT THAT ALIGNS IT WITH THE USE IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION AND LIKELY A TAX NOTE. SO IN THAT CASE IT WOULD NOT BE ANY KIND OF NOTICE OF INTENT ISSUED. SO PROBABLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, LIKE A MONTH OUT, 60 DAYS OUT COME WITH THE REQUEST, SIMILAR TO HOW WE DID IT THIS YEAR AND WITH THAT AUTHORIZATION THE PRICE WOULD BE IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST AFTER WE HAVE... IT WOULD COME IN ADVANCE TO GET THAT APPROVAL -- >> SO THAT'S LIKE JUNE? >> KIND OF THE SAME THIS YEAR. YEAH. >> THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING SLIGHTLY IN ADVANCE, YOU WOULD WANT TO TELL TOAD WHAT'S CALLED A-- TO DO WHAT'S CALLED A REIMBURSEMENT AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE MOTOROLA CONTRACT. IT'S A DOCUMENT, A RESOLUTION BASICALLY STATING THAT COUNCIL PROVIDES THE RIGHT BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION TO REIMBURSE OURSELVES FOR IDENTIFIED COSTS. UP TO 18 MONTHS BUT LATER IT'S REPLACEMENT SERVICE BUT BASICALLY IT WOULD ALLOW US TO ISSUE THE DEBT SIX MONTHS LATER AND RECAPTURE THOSE COSTS OF THE DEBT ISSUANCE AND MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL TAX LAW. >> ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FINANCIAL PIECE? >> WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE ISSUED DEBT ON? >> 4 PLUS 3 PLUS THE 1.6? >> 5.6. >> IT'S 5.439... >> THE SEVEN-YEAR, NOT THE TEN-YEAR. >> CORRECT. >> SO THAT IS-- THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE AGAINST THE COST OF... FIVE AND A QUARTER. IN EXCESS SO... >> THE BASE BONDS ISSUANCE SO I CAN ACTUALLY -- >> IT'S OKAY. [LAUGHTER] >> I KNOW YOU HAVE ACCESS TO IT BUT JUST WATCHING THE TEN-YEAR. IT'S GETTING EXPENSIVE. OKAY, IF I COULD TO BE CLEAR JUST SO YOU KNOW WE'LL HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION FOR ACCEPTED MOTOROLA CONTRACT AND THE RESOLUTION TO PURCHASE THE RADIOS AND A RESOLUTION FOR REIMBURSEMENT. SO IT WON'T BE ONE RESOLUTION, THERE WILL BE THREE WHEN YOU CITY FOR APPROVAL AT AT THE EF OCTOBER. WHO IS THE-- DO THEY HAVE A IDENTIFIED VENDOR THAT DOES THE SERVICE ON THE BACK-END STUFF? >> IT'S MOTOROLA THEMSELVES. [03:20:01] >> IT'S MOTOROLA. >> THE SAME WITH THE HAND-HELD, MOTOROLA HAS A DIFFERENT REPAIR DEPOSE-- DEPOTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. IN TEMPLE OUR CLOSEST ONE WAS EL PASO AND THEY WERE FANTASTIC. VERY QUICK IN AND VERY QUICK OUT. I WOULD SEND SOMETHING MONDAY AND HAVE IT BACK ON FRIDAY. >> SO THE CONTRACT HAD SOME SORT OF -- >> THEY DO A LOT OF WORK AND THIS DEAL IS COVERED BY MOTOROLA AND THEY WOULD BE DOPING THE REPAIRS ON THESE >> CONFIDENT WITH A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR? IN BUDGETS. THIS IS AN EXTRA 950,000 A YEAR. >> COMMITTING TODAY. WE'VE GOT OUR BUDGET NUMBERS. SPEAK OUT THAT CAPACITY. >> DEBT CAPACITY. UPDATED SLIGHTLY. WE REVISED THE COST. THE ADDITION OF THE HANDHELDS. YOU WOULD FIT WITHIN OUR DEBT CAPACITY. IN ADDITION TO FUNDING... THAT WE IDENTIFIED. >> AND TO BE CLEAR, IT WON'T BE AN ADDITIONAL 950. THERE'S ALREADY SOME MAINTENANCE, UPKEEP, AND SUBSCRIPTION STUFF THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW THAT WILL DISAPPEAR, AND THIS WOULD REPLACE IT. THIS IS REPLACING THAT FIGURE AS WELL. SO THERE IS -- AND I CAN'T TELL YOU A NUMBER RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> THIS IS COVERED BY I NS. >> A YEAR OR MONTH? >> A YEAR. >> YOU SAID CLOSE TO HALF A MILL LEFT. >> CORRECT. 2 PAYMENTS. WE WILL MAKE BY '28 AND FY29. >> WE HAVE 4 TOTAL PAYMENTS LEFT. BY THE TIME WE START MAKING PAYMENTS, THERE WILL BE 2 LEFT. >> SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE CLOSE TO A MILLION? >> AS OF TODAY. >> I DON'T RECALL ANY OF THESE DISCUSSIONS DURING THE BUDGET. >> IT CAME TO US, 1 WAS IT IT CAME TO US? >> THE FIRST I HEARD OF IT WAS JULY. LATE JULY. >> WE HAD A CONVERSATION WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT FUTURE CIP NEEDS, DIFFERENT ISSUANCES THAT WERE FORECAST FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. THAT WAS PART OF IT. WHAT I THINK WOULD HELP AT SOME POINT FOR THE FINANCE TEAM WOULD BE TO HAVE THE DEBT FORECAST FOR THE LONG TERM THAT SHOWS DEBT CAPACITY AS DEBT IS RETIRED. FUTURE DEBT CAPACITY, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ESCALATING SOME DEBT REPAYMENT THIS YEAR, THIS FISCAL YEAR. CONVERSATION WITH THAT WITH THE INTENT OF THAT FREEING UP CAPACITY FOR FUTURE YEARS. WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH DEBT ISSUANCE THIS YEAR AS WE WERE INTENDING OUR PLANNING TO. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE DID HAVE SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION. MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DEBT CAPACITY BUT IT'S ALL IN THE BUDGET BOOK. ALL THE DEBT SCHEDULES ARE BACK THERE. HELP ME COME OVER TO THOSE CALLED? IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. IT'S A LOT TO READ THROUGH. >> BRINGING THIS TO EARLY. FY28 BUDGET. NOT FY27. WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH ADVANCE NOTICE AS WE COULD. OF COURSE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TEXAS DISCOUNT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S GO AHEAD AND WRAP THAT ITEM UP AT 9:33 P.M. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE WERE A LOT OF NAMES ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE IT. [4. Discuss Consent Agenda Items for September 29, 2026, City Council Meeting ] ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM 4. [03:25:04] ITEMS FOR THE SEPTEMBER 29, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I BELIEVE WE ARE REMOVING AN ITEM. THE AGREEMENT OF SGR. ARE WE HOLDING THAT OR NO? FOR B. AGREE AND RATIFY WITH SGR. INTERIM FIRE SERVICES. >> THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED. >> IT GETS TO THE POINT. >> I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE PERHAPS SELECTING A DIFFERENT VENDOR. I WANTED TO ASK. >> NO. THAT'S FOR THE RECRUITMENT. >> THANK YOU. >> IT'S FOR THE INTERIM CHIEF. NOT FOR THE NEW CHIEF. >> NOT THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS. >> NOT THE NEW CHIEF. COUNCIL, WERE THERE QUESTIONS? >> F FOR PRESENTATION? >> DO WE WANT ANYONE -- ANYBODY OR A STAFF PRESENTATION OR JUST QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET ANYBODY HERE. >> OKAY, STAFF PRESENTATION [5. Executive Session ] ON 4C. ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 4. ITEM 5. SEVERAL EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS. I'M GOING TO READ ALL OF THEM INTO THE RECORD BEFORE WE CONVENE OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE'RE GOING TO GO IN THIS ORDER. 5A FIRST. THEN WE'LL DO, WE WILL KEEP THEM IN THE ORDER THEY ARE IN. 5A. CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE IN A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.087. DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS TO DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE REGARDING COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE GOVERNMENT BODY HAS RECEIVED FROM U.S. BUSINESS PROCESS BY THE GOVERNMENT BODY SEEKS TO LOCATE, STAY OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND NEGOTIATIONS OR TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE. F5B. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS TO DELIVER THE APPOINTMENT EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION REASSIGNMENT DUTIES DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE TO WHICH CITY MANAGER. 5C THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONVENE INTO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074 TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES AND DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE TO IT CITY SECRETARY. 5D. CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONVENE INTO CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.074 TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION REASSIGNMENT DUTIES DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE, TO WHICH INTERIM CITY MANAGER. >> CITY COUNCIL HAS CONCLUDED [6. Reconvene Into Open Session and Take Any Necessary or Appropriate Action on Closed/Executive Session Matters] OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 12:10 P.M. ON ITEM FIVE. 12:10 A.M. 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