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[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING WORK SESSION FOR TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 2020.

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WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO BEFORE WE GET ROLLING WITH A LOT OF VISITORS WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> I WOULD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I AM HERE WITH CURRENT AND FORMER CITY ACADEMY PEOPLE TO OBSERVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND SEE HOW YOU DO YOUR WORK. THIS IS BRIAN AND MARK AND MIKE AND THEY ARE DELIGHTED TO BE

HERE TO SEE HOW YOU DO YOUR WORK. >> WE HOPE YOU ENJOY IT.

>> THE NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A MENTION AND I MISS CHADWICK IS HERE AS WELL THAT ON APRIL 9 I'M SURE EVERYBODY GOT THE INVITATION OF THE LETTER IN THE MAIL ABOUT THE ANNUAL VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION BANQUET. IT'S ALWAYS NICE IF YOU CAN ATTEND. I KNOW THERE WERE TIMES FOR MANY YEARS WHERE IT WOULD BE ME AND ONE OTHER PERSON IN PLANNING AND ZONING AND IT IS A CHANCE FOR THE REST OF THE CITIZENS IN OUR CITY BECAUSE THEY TELEVISE TO SEE WHO IS ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND IS A CHANCE FOR THE CITY STAFF TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AS YOU GUYS KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT PLANNING AND ZONING WORK SESSIONS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY STAFF TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. SO IF YOU CAN MAKE IT, I WILL BE THERE AND I HOPE A LOT OF GUYS MAKE IT TO. THIS CHADWICK IS SOLICITING NAMES. THAT'S IT. THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IN OUR

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WORK SESSION IS AGENDA ITEMS. WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SPECIFICALLY COVER ON

THE AGENDA ITEMS? >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN REGARDS OF ANY

OF THE ITEMS >> THE ONLY REAL QUESTION I HAVE WAS ON THE REPLAT AGENDA ITEM 5A RE-PLANNING OF 7900 SQUARE FOOT OF FLOODPLAIN. HOW DOES THAT OCCUR? I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU DO TO MITIGATE THE REMOVAL OF THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA?

I MEAN, WHERE DOES THE WATER GO NOW. >> RECLAIMING A FLOODPLAIN AREA OF

>> AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY FLOODPLAIN YOU HAVE TO DO

SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER IN THE AREA ã >> IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

ZIGZAG CREEK WHERE THE HOUSES ARE GOING TO GO >> EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES UP BEING BUILT THERE THERE'S A BIG QUESTION AND THEN COMES ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF GORELICK ROAD UNTIL IT HITS MILLER AND THEN GOES UNDER MILLER. MILLER IS ACTING KIND OF AS A BOTTLENECK AND SO REALLY, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED AN ANALYSIS AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS THE OTHER DAY, AND I THINK YOUR ANALYSIS IS PRETTY GOOD. BASICALLY, THERE IS SO MUCH STORAGE IN THERE AND ARE GOING TO FILL ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE ROAD WITH THE TWO EYEBROWS.

DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? AND THAT'S CREATING A BIT OF STORAGE AND ALTHOUGH THEY ARE CLEARLY BECAUSE IT'S A DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE ADDING IMPERMEABLE SURFACE SO THEY WILL BE PRODUCING MORE RUNOFF BUT MILLER ROAD IS ACTING AS THEIR RETENTION POND. SO THERE IS REALLY ã EFFECTIVELY, THERE IS NO ADVERSE INCREASE IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE. MAYBE A SMALL ãDOWNSTREAM OF MILLER ROAD THERE IS NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER > OF STRING.

WE ARE ELIMINATING THE STORAGE AREA. WE ARE NOT ELIMINATING IT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. MAYBE I SHOULD COME UP HERE.

>> RIGHT ALONG HERE THEY ARE GOING TO RAISE THIS SERVICE A BIT AND THAT CREATES MORE

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STORAGE IN THIS AREA. >> NO.

>> THIS THING RIGHT HERE. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THIS BECAUSE THAT COMES DOWN

>> THAT'S THE FLOODPLAIN.

THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WHEN IT COMES IN AT WHAT THE FLIGHT LINE IS AND WHERE TE STORAGE IS AND WHAT THEY PROCESS IS WHEN YOU ADJUST A FLOODPLAIN? THOSE ARE THE THREE QUESTIONS

AND IDENTIFY THE DIRECTION OF THE WATER. >> OKAY.

THE CREEK IS FLOWING IN THIS DIRECTION CURRENTLY, SO UPSTREAM, DOWNSTREAM.

>> AND THE NEXT SLIDE

IT'S DELINEATED HERE. >> NOW, THE NATURAL CONTOURS OF THE LAND, I SEE ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF AND BASICALLY ALL OF THAT WATER RUNS OFF. IF A CULVERT UNDER MILLER ROAD ACTS AS A REGULAR

>> IT FILLS UP AND IT GOES UP AND FILLS THIS AREA, WHICH NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE MUCH SMALLER BECAUSE OVERFLOWING. SO THE PROCESS IS WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEY HAVE TO DO AN ANALYSIS. IF THEY ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY MOVE THAT FLOODPLAIN, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT AN ANALYSIS, A VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS THAT STUDIES THE CREEK UPSTREAM TO WHERE THERE IS NO IMPACT AND DOWNSTREAM TO WHERE THERE IS NO IMPACT AS WELL.

AND THEN THAT HAS TO GET SUBMITTED TO FEMA IN ORDER TO GET A CHANGE IN THE FLOOD PLAN AND WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SIGN OFF ON THAT ANALYSIS. AND BASICALLY, OUR RULES STATE THAT THEY CANNOT INCREASE THE WATER SURFACE THROUGH THE PROJECT AREA AND THEIR ANALYSIS PSHOWS THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE OF HUNDREDTHS OF A FOOT OF LESS THAN AN INCH THAT MAY RISE AND THAT'S ONLY OCCURRING AT A COUPLE OF CROSS-SECTIONS. THERE MUST BE AT LEAST A DOZEN CROSS-SECTIONS THAT WERE SHOT THROUGH THE AIR AND THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL FIS FLOODPLAIN INSURANCE STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY FEMA BACK IN 2014. THOSE CROSS-SECTIONS, THEY ARE USING THOSE CROSS-SECTIONS, AND THERE IS A SLIGHT RISE OF HERE AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A COUPLE OF HUNDREDTHS OF A FOOT DOWN HERE THAT ACTUALLY IS LOWER, AND THAT'S WITH THE

ANALYSIS SHOWS. >> SOFIE MADDENS ãWE HAVE ã >> THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ON THIS. BUT IRRESPECTIVE OF OUR PRELIMINARY PLAT IF FEMA ãHAS

FEMA ALREADY? >> NO. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO FEMA SAYS THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK. WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR PRELIMINARY

PLAT >> THERE'S TWO STEPS.

>> THEY HAVE NOT SUBMITTED WHEN THEY SUBMIT THAT FINAL PLAT THEY WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR FINAL PLAT.

IF THEIR FINAL PLAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY OR SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN A PRELIMINARY

PLAT THEY WILL HAVE TO REDO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT >> WE MAY ALL SUBMIT TO FEMA IF FEMA BLESSES IT IT WILL GET A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, AND THEY CANNOT GET FULL UP UNTIL THEY HAVE ACTUALLY SHOWN THAT THEY HAVE BUILT WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD

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>> ALL RIGHT. JOHN, AND COMING FROM WHERE YOU ARE.

WE HAVE HAD ãI'VE BEEN ON PLANNING AND ZONING SEVEN YEARS AND IS ONLY COME UP TWICE IN THE CITY OF BUILDING AND FLOOD PLANS THAT I CAN REMEMBER. I ãI THINK I BOOTED AGAINST THIS. THAT DOESN'T MATTER NOW.HIS ONE IS GOING TO GO AHEAD.

THE MAIN THING IS THAT FEMA HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE A FINAL PLAT OR IT JUST WON'T HAPPEN.

>> THAT'S CORRECT >> I MEAN, BECAUSE PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS TO LOOK AT DRAINAGE AND THAT'S WHAT JOHN IS DOING HERE. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL ã

WE DON'T MIND HAVING TO DEAL WITH FLOODPLAINS >> I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT RECLAMATION THEY HAVE SUBMITTED AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT AND ADDRESSES SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THEY HAVE FOUND THERE IS NO ADVERSE EFFECT TWO ãIF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY THERE'S NO ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THERE IS NO ADVERSE IMPACT

>> WHENEVER I WAS ASKING FOR MEDIATION WILL SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THE FLOODPLAIN. I LOOK AT THOSE AND IN MY BLOOD AND SAID WE ARE DECREASING THE

VOID. >> YOU ARE RIGHT >> WE ARE INCREASING RUNOFFS IN THAT AREA. HOW DOES THAT IMPACT EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND OR DOWNSTREAM. PERHAPS THE VOLUME THAT STORED IN THAT AREA THAT TRIANGLE IN

THE SHADOW. >> BUT IT'S ZONED AE WHICH IS A MANDATORY ãIS A HIGH RISK

AREA. >> THAT'S WHAT THAT ZONE IS. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE WATER MIGHT BE HERE BUT THE GROUND MIGHT BE HERE. IN OTHER WORDS YOU HAVE A VERY DEEP CHANNEL. BUT THEY ARE IS A SMALL FINGER OFF OF IT AND THE GROUND RISES QUICKLY. THE WATER SURFACE ãI HAVEN'T GONE INTO THIS IN DETAIL BUT I AM SUSPECTING THAT'S WHY THE ANALYSIS DOES WHAT IT DOES BECAUSE THAT'S NOT QUITE AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD EXPECT. IF IT WAS THE FALL STEP OF THE CHANNEL, THE RESULT MAY BE

DIFFERENT >> AND WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL PLAT ã

>> MR. DE >> NOBODY WANTS TO BE ON THIS BOARD AND THEN 10 YEARS LATER EVERYTHING FLOODS AND PEOPLES HOUSES AND WHO WAS ON THE ZONING AND PLANNING WHO APPROVED THIS. THAT'S OUR CONCERN. BUT IF THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN AND IT COMES TO US. BUT THE ONES THAT HAVE EVOLVED IN THIS SORT OF THING WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FEMA STUFF IS HELD TIGHT ON BECAUSE

WE DON'T WANT TO BE FIGHTING THIS IN 10 YEARS >> WE SHARE EXACTLY THE SAME SENTIMENT. WE WILL DEFINITELY BRING ALL OF THE DETAILS TO THE FOREFRONT

WHEN YOU GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ANY OTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA? WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING? ANY OTHER ISSUES? AT THIS TIME ãTARA IS THERE

ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO BRING UP? >> NO.

JUST TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE ITEMS IN ANY OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> IN THAT CASE WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION AND RECONVENE IN COUNCIL

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.