Oct 27, 2020 Planning and Zoning Commission

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FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA MEETING FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, 2020.

THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM 3, CITIZENS INPUT. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS INPUT

TODAY? >> NO MA'AM. >>MIRANDA MORGAN: OKAY.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA]

THAT IS TO CONSIDER THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR OCTOBER 13, 2020. DID ALL THE MEMBERS GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? EVERYBODY OKAY? ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? YES, MR. ERGEN.

>>MARK ERGEN : I DID SEE UNDER 2A, THE LAST PARAGRAPH, THEY SPELLED MY NAME WRONG.

INSTEAD OF MAKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MARKED. COMMISSIONER MAKE ERGEN MADE A

MOTION TO ÃI SAW IT WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT. >> GOOD PROOFING, MARK! I'M SURE SHE WILL MAKE THAT CORRECTION. SUSAN, DID YOU MAKE THAT CORRECTION? BOOK I WILL GET THAT CORRECTION.

>>MIRANDA MORGAN: OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS I AM READING FOR A MOTION.

MR. COTE. >>JOHN COTE : I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE

ONE CORRECTION. >>MIRANDA MORGAN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH ONE CORRECTION BY MR. COTE . MR. WINTON IS SECOND.

AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND WITH A SHOW OF HANDS, LET'S VOTE. [VOTING]

>>MIRANDA MORGAN: THAT IS UNANIMOUS. AND WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE TO

[5A. Conduct a public hearing and make a recommendation to City Council regarding a request by Bobby Nichols, Chandler Signs on behalf of Home2Suites, for Major Warrants to Articles 5.4.1 Wall Signs, and 5.4.11 Monument Signs of the Form Based Code, to increase the maximum permitted wall sign area from 30 square feet to 41 square feet on the south-facing façade, increase the maximum permitted wall sign area from 30 square feet to 64 square feet on the east-facing façade, and allow a monument sign along Sunset Boulevard. The 2.046-acre site is located at 8609 Sunset Boulevard, in the City of Rowlett, Dallas County, Texas.]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST BY BOBBY NICHOLS, CHANDLERS SIGNS ON BEHALF OF HOMES TO SUITES FROM MAJOR WARRANTS TO ARTICLES 5.4.1 WALL SIGNS AND 5.4.11, MONUMENT SIGNS, OF THE FORM-BASED CODE TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED WALL SIGN AREA FROM 30 SQUARE FEET TO 41 SQUARE FEET ON THE SOUTH FACADE THAT INCREASE THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED WALL SITE AREA FROM 30 SQUARE FEET TO 64 SQUARE FEET ON THE EAST FACING FACADE AND ALLOW A MONUMENT SIGN ALON SUNSET BOULEVARD .

THE 2.04 ACRE SITE IS LOCATED AT 8609 SUNSET BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF LET, DALLAS COUNTY

TEXAS. >> COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

AND FOR TAKING YOUR TIME ON THIS CHILLY EVENING TO CONSIDER THIS CASE.

JUST A SUMMARY OF THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE BAYSIDE DISTRICT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR A HOTEL WITH TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS ALONG SUNSET BOULEVARD.

YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR IMAGE TO THE RIGHT AND IT IS A REGULARLY SHAPED PARCEL AND AS 30 FEET OF FRONTAGE, WHICH DOES SERVE AS THE AXIS FOR THE HOTEL HEAR THE REST OF THE FRONTAGE IS TAKEN OUT BY THE RETAIL BUILDINGS. AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR THE PROJECT THE 31ST. THE DEVELOPMENT IS NEAR COMPLETION TO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MAJOR WARRANTS TO THE FORM-BASED CODE REGARDING INCREASED SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS HOTEL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE PER THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THREE MAJOR WARRANTS WERE TWO OF THEM ARE RELATED TO WALL SIGNS FOR THE FIRST ONE IS AN INCREASE OF THE ALLOWABLE PERMITTED SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 30 TO 41 OF THE EAST FACING FACADE, WHICH YOU WILL SEE IS THE SIGN THAT IS ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE A TOWER. AND THEN THERE IS AN INCREASE FROM 30 TO 64, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH FACING FACADE SHOWN AS BE IN YOUR MAP TO THE RIGHT.

AND A MAJOR WANT REQUESTING A MONUMENT SIDE ALONG SUNSET BOULEVARD SHOWN AS C IN THE

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IN SUBSECTION 5.4.1 B AND ALLOWS FOR ONE 3430 SQUARE FOOT WALL SIGN LOCATED 12 FEET OR HIGHER ABOVE GRADE ON A MINOR WARRANT IS ADMINISTRATIVELY IMPROVED.

THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST FOR TWO SIGNAGE IN A MINOR WARRANT WAS APPROVED AS AN ADDITIONAL SIGN. THAT BEING THE CASE, WE STILL HAVE TO CONSIDER THE INCREASE IN SIZES AS THEY DO NOT MEET THE APPROVED REQUIREMENTS THAT SUBSECTION.

NEXT SLIDE. SO KIND OF GIVING YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE MAJOR WARRANTS HEAR THE BASE MAJOR WORK WOULD INCREASE THE PERMITTED AREA FROM 30 SCHOOL SQUARE FEET TO 41 SQUARE FEET FOR SIGN DAY, WHICH IS THE TOWER LOOKING ONE FACING TOWARD DEL ROCK.

THE PROPOSED SIGN IS 200 FEET FROM SUNSET BOULEVARD AND IT IS 45 FEET ABOVE GRADE.

SO IT'S KIND OF GIVING YOU AN IDEA THAT THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL SIGN, IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL FRONTAGE. USUALLY WE WOULD HAVE FRONTAGE OF ANY BUILDING AN URBAN VILLAGE DISTRICT WITHIN 18 TO 26 FEET . YOU HAD MORE HEAD ON PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND TIME SIGNS ARE TYPICALLY BETWEEN 12 AND 14 FEET.

DUE TO THIS DISTANCE AND THE REQUESTED AREA, THE REQUESTED AREA IS APPROPRIATE CONSIDERING TRAVELING ON SUNSET BOULEVARD, DEL ROCK AND ARRIVING USUALLY BY VEHICULAR MEANS.

THE SECOND WALL SIGN IS AN INCREASE FROM 30 SQUARE FEET TO 64 SQUARE FEET.

THAT IS THE SOUTHERN FACING FACADE WERE THE ONE FACING SUNSET BOULEVARD.

AND PROPOSED LOCATION IS LOCATED ROUGHLY 190 FEET FROM SUNSET AND 35 FEET ABOVE GRADE.

SO STILL SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE. AND THUS WE ALSO FEEL THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THIS REQUEST FOR SIMILAR REASONS TO THE OTHER ONE WHERE WE WOULD MOSTLY GET VISITORS COMING FROM THE MAJOR RIGHT OF WAYS WHICH ARE DEL ROCK, SUNSE , SAPPHIRE BAY BOULEVARD AND INTERSTATE 30. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.THE THIRD MAJOR ONE IS THE REQUEST FOR A MONUMENT SITE. THIS MONUMENT SITE WOULD BE ALONGSIDE SUNSET BOULEVARD. IF YOU LOOK AT SUBSECTION 5.4.11 POINT SEE OF THE FORM-BASED CODE, IT STATES IT WILL FIRST ENLIST WITH THE CORE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE FOR A MONUMENT SIGN. BUT THEN IT SAYS ONLY A LONG LIQUID PARK, PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH WITH THE SIGNS BE ALLOWED. AND SO IT BEEN A LONG SUNSET AND ARGUABLY CLOSE TO DELAWARE, NONE OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD APPLY. AND SO THAT'S WHYTHERE IS A REQUEST FOR A MAJOR WORK FOR THE DIMENSIONS ARE SIX FEET IN HEIGHT , SEVEN FEET IN 10 INCHES IN WIDTH AND APPROXIMATELY 31 SQUARE FEET NOT INCLUDING THE TWO FOOT BASE IN THE SIGN, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT FOR MONUMENT SIGNS. YPICALLY BOTH IN THE FORM-BASED CODE WERE ALLOWED, THIS WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF A MONUMENT SIG . AND IF IT WERE ALLOWED WE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM PROVING THIS.

BUT IT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THIS AREA FOR THE FORM-BASED CODES. THE PROPOSED SIGN IS SET BACK 10 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IN THE I WILL EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS A PROBLEM AS WELL. IT SPEAKS TO THERE IS A 15 FOOT DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT

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NEXT SLIDE. NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT TO 200 AND A 500 FOOT RADIUS FROM THE PROPERTY. AND THREE OF THOSE IN THE 500 FOOT WE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS. THE ONE THING TO NOTE. AND I'M SURE IT WOULD BE A QUESTION IS THE SIGNAGE WOULD NOT BE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY FACING TOWARD THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION TO THE NORTH. AND FACING SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST, IT IS NOT A TYPICAL FOR AN URBAN CONCEPT WILL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THAT BEING SAID, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE MAJOR WARRANTS TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM WALL SIGN AREAS FROM SIGN A ÃFOR SIGN A AND B FROM 30 SQUARE FEET TO 41 SQUARE FEET AND 64 SQUEAK RESPECTFULLY. THE INCREASED AREAS OF THE SIGN ARE VISIBLE NEEDS SCALE AND MEET THE INTENT OF THE FORM-BASED CODE. TO ALLOW MONUMENT SIGNS ALONG SUNSET BOULEVARD IS THIS PROPOSED MONUMENT WOULD CREATE A PRECEDENT TO ALLOW SIGNAGE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE SPIRIT WITH THE INTENT OF THE FORM-BASED CODE TO CREATE A HIGH QUALITY PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT. MOREOVER, THE PLAN LOCATION OF THE SIGN IS WITHIN THE UTILITIES AND IS NOT PERMITTED THE AVAILABLE STREET FUNCTIONALITY FROM SUNSET BOULEVARD. WITH THE PRESENTATION I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THAT PRIOR TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN USE A. OR OTHERWISE I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU

MAY HAVE. >>MIRANDA MORGAN: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, WOULD YOU LIKE

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IF THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> RILEY SUPPORT HI EVERYONE. ADDRESS IS 221 TYLER STREET CIRCLE SUNNYVALE TEXAS.

>> I BELIEVE, IS THIS YOUR PRESENTATION? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.

WE ARE A FAMILY OWNED OFFICE AND PURCHASE THELOT FOR THE BAYSIDE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO . IN THE UPS AND DOWNS IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS BUT WE ARE FINALLY ALMOST TO THE FINISH LINE. I'M EXCITED WE ARE FINALLY OPENING. WE ARE TARGETED FEBRUARY 1, 2021 TO OPEN THE HOTEL.

I THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY. ON THE IF YOU CLICK THE . THE SIGN A WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS NOT THAT THEY. THE DISABILITY IF YOU TRULY HAVE THE SITE YOU ARE GOING TO SEE WE ARE KIND OF LANDLOCKED INTO THE BACK PORTION SO THIS GIVES US A LITTLE BIT BIGGER VISIBILITY ON THE DEL ROCK SIDE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS COMING IN FROM. THERE 18 TO 20 FEET WE ARE SETTING UP ABOUT 45 FEET AND WE ARE ABOUT 200 TO 300 FEET AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK. THIS PROVIDES BETTER VISIBILITY FOR US. IF YOU CAN FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS GOING TO GIVE US FRONTAGE ACCESS ABOVE THOSE RETAIL BUILDINGS OFF SUNSET .

WITH THAT, WE DON'T KNOW IT IS COMING TO WITH THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS WILL COME FROM.

THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE OUR MAJOR SIGN THAT WILL ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE HOTEL.

ACTUALLY DOING WHERE WE ARE AT. THE MONUMENT SIGN, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO SLIDE TO AND I CAN GIVE YOU A FOOTPRINT. TO HER BACK THERE IS SO SITE C WHERE WE ARE AT AND UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERN WAS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, BUT THAT SITE IS NOT LOCATED ON ANY SIDEWALK WHATSOEVER THE UTILITY EASEMENTS, MY CONSTRUCTION COMPANY DOES UNDERGROUND UTILITY SO WE DID THE UTILITIES FOR THE SITE. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NO UTILITIES RUNNING UNDER. EVERYTHING WORKED OUT FOR US ACTUALLY DID THE SITE.

EVERYTHING WAS COMPLETELY OFF. EVERYTHING IS REALLY CLOSE TO SUNSET BOULEVARD.

THERE WERE NO UTILITIES WE RENDERIN THE EXISTING UTILITIES RIGHT OUT OF THAT .

THE ONLY THING THIS IS IMPORTANT, THE HOTEL ITSELF IS LANDLOCKED WERE THE ONLY ENTRANCE WE HAVE IS THAT SLIVER THAT GOES IN THE HOTEL IS IN THE BACK.

PEOPLE WILL BE PASSING BY. AND IF YOU'VE DRIVEN ON SUNSET, THE ONLY ONE ACCESS COMING IN.

YOU GET OFF GOING WESTBOUND ON SUNSET AND HAD TO TAKE A RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY GREAT IF YOU CAN EASTBOUND, WE HAVE NO DIRECT ACCESS TO THIS. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONFUSION FOR GUESTS COMING INTO THE HOTEL IF THEY DRIVE BACK AND THINK THIS IS RETAIL AND THEY SEE THE HOLE IN THE BACK AND THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ENTRANCE BUT THAT'S WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR THE ASSIGNED TO ALLOW US ACCESS FOR GUESTS AND CUSTOMERS COMING INTO ROWLETT AND ESSENTIALLY SEEN SAPPHIRE BAY AND EVERYTHING WITH THEIR SEE WHERE WE ARE COMING FOR HIM IF THEY MISS OUR STOP, I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME OF DELIVERY DRIVERS ARE NO, THEY ARE GOING TO THE NEXT INTERSECTION OF MAKING A U-TURN GO BACK ALL THE WAY TO DEL ROCK AND MAKING ANOTHER U-TURN TO GO BACK IN AND TRYING TO FIND US.

IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE FIVE OF THE MONUMENT SIDE. IS LISTED AS A SIX FOOT SIGN COMMITMENT TWO FOR THAT AS A BASE. IT'S ONLY FOUR FOOT BY SEVEN FOOT ON TOP. IF WE NEED TO READJUST THIS, IT'S MORE OF A DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR CUSTOMERS OR ANYONE TALKING DEFINED THE ACTUAL ENTRANCES BEHIND HUGE RETAIL BUILDINGS. HAVE IN THE SIGN UP IN THE FRONT WILL HELP DIRECT CUSTOMERS INTO THE HOTEL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.SO IF YOU

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THIS IS LITERALLY WHERE ALL HUNTERS IN THE GAS STATION IS A WE ARE LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MUCH INCREASE THE SIGN TO MAKE IT VISIBLE.IT WOULD BE VERY SMALL. IT WILL NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE IF WE HAVE A SMALLER SIGN THERE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.SO THIS IS LOOKING OFF PROBABLY FURTHER SOUTH FROM ALL THE HUNDREDS TO THE GAS STATION. SOLD THE RIGHT HAND SIDE REDUCE THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING ON THE SELLING CORNER, YOU SEE TWO BARS GOING TO CROSS. TO WRITE THEIR THE SOUTHERN SIDE IS WHERE THE ACTUAL UNDERSIGNED WOULD GO.

THEN AGAIN, THE VISIBILITY FROM THIS FARAWAY THE RETAIL BUILDINGS YOU SEE IN THE GREEN BOXES GOING UP. IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT YOU SEE STRUCTURAL GOING UP ANOTHER FOUR FEET. THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE YOUR BASIS IS.

SO IT KINDA COVERS THE THIRD STORY ALMOST OF THE MULTIFAMILY NEXT TO US TO THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE OF ASSIGNED OR SO PEOPLE CAN SEE US.

AND AGAIN, THE MAIN DEVELOPMENT, AND THE INTEREST IN GOING BACK TO THE MONUMENT REAL QUICK THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS WHOLE BAYSIDE WITH DISTRICT WERE SAPPHIRE BAY DISTRICT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL.THEY WERE THE FORM-BASED CODE AS FAR AS MONUMENT SITES AND WHAT NOT THE REASON FOR THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS OF SIGNAGE DIRECTING THE MOVE WHICH ONE OR WHICH ONE THIS HOUSING IS BELOW WE ARE ASKING IS MAKING SURE THAT GUESTS AND VISITORS WHEN THEY COME THEY KNOW WHICH WAY TO TURN INTO THE HOTEL.

WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PARCEL GETS DEVELOPED, #EVEN THOUGH IT IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER DEPENDING WHAT THE HEIGHTS OF THESE ARE, THE HOTEL WILL BE COVERED UP AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE REALLY, REALLY ASKING FOR YOUR GRANTS PERMISSION TO GET A SET MONUMENT SIGN TO MAKE SURE DIRECTIONAL PATTERNS ARE FINE TO GET INTO THE HOTEL. NEXT SLIDE.

AGAIN, WE HAVE A BAYSIDE ASSIGNMENT THAT SAYS ALL THESE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES DIRECTING THE WHEN YOU GO FURTHER INTO SUNSET, HAVE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS GOING IN WHO THEY ARE ACCESSING IT AS FAR AS THE LEASING AGENT OR THE HOMEBUYER. WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME THING ON THE MONUMENT SIGN. SO WITH THAT, I KNEW CARLOS IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE MONUMENT SIGN, BUT I THINK THAT WILL BE INTEGRAL PURCHASE DIRECTING TRAFFIC.

ESPECIALLY WHEN SAPPHIRE BAY GETS OPENED UP IN THE HALL SOUTH AND NORTH SIDE IS BOOMING OF MAKING SURE GUESTS AND PEOPLE COMING INTO THE CITY KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING FOR THE HOTEL. BECAUSE WE WILL ONLY BE THE SECOND HOTEL OPEN.

AND WILL MAKE SUREDIRECTIONAL TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC PATTERNS AS WELL.

PEOPLE ARE MAKING ABOUT TWO U-TURNS AND KEEP TURNING AROUND .

IT IS A HILTON PRODUCT SO I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WALK IN BUSINESS.

IT'S MORE ABOUT THE ACTUAL RESERVATIONS WERE 99 PERCENT OF PEOPLE RESERVING ROOMS AND OUR HOTELS ARE BOOKING ONLINE IN THE SEAT ON THE MAP BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS IN AN AREA TRYING TO GET THE DESTINATION AREA, YOU WOULD BE MAKING ABOUT TWO U-TURNS GOOD BECAUSE LITERALLY ON THE STREET IF I TAKE A LEFT TURN AND MISSED THAT REST ENTRANCE OF GOING TO THE NEXT STOP SIGN, BACON U-TURN IN THE BACK AND THEY GET ANOTHER U-TURN TO GO BACK TO TAKING THE RIGHT ONTO THE PROPERTY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.WITH THAT,

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>MIRANDA MORGAN: MR. COTE? >>JOHN COTE : CARLOS, UNDER PRESENTATION ONE OF THE THINGS HE MADE MENTION OF WAS RESTRICTED TO DEL ROCK, GEORGE

BUSH, SERVICE ROAD AND BROWSING LANES.HAT BROWSING LANES? >> BROWSING LANES IS TYPICALLY IN A HIGH-TRAFFIC OR HIGH-SPEED AREAS IT WOULD BE A LAID PARALLEL TO THE STREET DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO IT. SO IN THE CASE OF LAKE PARKWAY, THERE'S KIND OF THE STREET THAT

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HIGH-SPEED AREA. >>JOHN COTE : THANK YOU. >>MIRANDA MORGAN: MR. WINTON?

>> THIS QUESTION IS FOR STAFF AS WELL. WHAT HAS BEEN OUR TYPICAL DIRECTION AS A CITY WHEN IT COMES TO APPROVING. WHETHER IT BE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS OR ANY TYPE OF STRUCTURE, SIGN IN EASEMENTS ACROSS THE CITY

JUST AS A GENERAL RULE . >> WE ARE TO APPROVE ANY SIGNS, BUILDINGS OR ANY PERMANENT

STRUCTURES WITHIN EASEMENTS. >> SO IF WE APPROVE THIS MONUMENT SIGN AND BEING IT IS AN EASEMENT REGARDLESS OF THEIR UTILITY LINES THERE CURRENTLY ARE NOT, WE WOULD BE GOING AGAINST WHAT HAS BEEN THE PAST HISTORY OF ACTUAL DENIALS OR APPROVALS.

>> CORRECT. WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM TO GET LETTERS FROM THE UTILITY PROVIDERS THAT EITHER RENOUNCE THE UTILITY AREA AND WE CAN GET A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION FROM JEFF, BUT PERHAPS SIMPLY ALLOWING FOR THE USE OF THE AREA.

>>STEPHEN WINTON : MY THOUGHT AT LEAST, I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE HAVE ÃI KNOW CITIZENS TYPICALLY DO GET TURNED DOWN FOR TRYING TO PUT ANYTHING INTO AN EASEMENT.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >>STEPHEN WINTON : THAT COULD GO BY MY OPINION, APPROVING THIS AND PUTTING MONUMENT SIGNS SPECIFICALLY WHAT I AM REFERRING TO IN THE EASEMENT COULD CREATE SOME INCONSISTENCIES FOR US. THANK YOU.

>>MIRANDA MORGAN: MISS MORGAN? I SEE YOU WORK. HOLD ON.

JUST ONE SECOND. >> THIS WILL BE QUICK. THE SIGN THAT WAS REFERENCED BY THEDEVELOPER, THE WAYFINDING SIGNS THAT IS THERE IN PLACE TODAY FOR THE OTHER PROPERTIES , IS THAT THE STANDARD OR ARE THOSE SIGNS TEMPORARY UNTIL THAT SITE IS FULL?

>> HER TO SIGN TYPE C REFERENCED. ONES THAT ARE WAYFINDING IN THE FORM THROUGH THE ONES THAT WERE PICTURED. THIS ARE ALLOWED FOR THE DISTRICT ITSELF. AS LONG AS THEY REACH OUT TO THE DISTRICT, THEY CAN ACTUALLY MAKE USE OF THOSE SIGNS. BUT NATURALLY THEY ARE LOCATED NOT IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY JUST SHOW THE PRODUCTS OR BUSINESSES THAT ARE WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALSO A LARGER SCALE WE HAVE THE BLUE SIGNS THAT DO HAVE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA OR NEARBY. THE SECOND SIGN TYPE C MENTIONED WERE NEIGHBORHOOD SIGNS. UNTIL THEY ARE ALLOWED IN THE FORM-BASED CODE FOR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. KIND OF ANNOUNCING THE ENTRY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO SOMETIMES AND OFTEN TIMES AND PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE, THEY DO PRESENT THEMSELVES IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO MONUMENT SIGN. BUT IT IS NOT LABELED AS SUCH.

THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES ÃIT CAN BE TRICKY TO SEE THAT. >> IS THE BAYSIDE SIGNS

CONSIDERED NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN? THE BAYSIDE. >> THE ENTRY SIDE DISTRICT?

>> YES. >> YES. THE INITIAL AGREEMENT WITH WHEN BAYSIDE WAS ESTABLISHED THAT AS WE HAVE CONSIDER THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN AND IT IS

KIND OF THE ENTRY INTO THE DISTRICT. >>MIRANDA MORGAN: OKAY.

THANK YOU. I JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL CLARIFICATION FOR WHAT YOU ARE

REFERRING TO. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: MR. ERGEN? >> MY QUESTION WAS LIKE THE PAST COMMISSIONER ASKING THAT QUESTION WITH REGARD TO NEIGHBORHOOD SIGNS RATHER THAN A MONUMENT SIGN HERE ESPECIALLY IN AN EASEMENT AREA. IF THAT COULD BE ACCEPTED THERE. MORRIS DIRECTIONAL WORKING FOR PEOPLE TO TURN THEIR.

BUT IF WE CAN'T HAVE AN EASEMENT AND WE CAN HAVE IT. BUT JUST TRYING TO SEE IF WE

COULD COME UP WITH SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE SIGN FOR THAT AREA. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: DID YOU ALL

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TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES? >> WE HAVE NOT.

THIS IS WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO US AS AN OPTION. AND IF THEY HAVE OTHER

ALTERNATIVES, WE ARE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THEM. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: AND THESE, THE TWO OTHER SIGNS IF APPROVED WOULD BE LARGER, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE SEEN FROM SUNSET AND

DEL ROCK ONCE THE PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY BUILT OUT? >> THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING AS A WRITTEN OUTPUT ESPECIALLY FROM SUNSET. THERE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE SOME AREAS IN WHICH THERE WILL BE CONFLICTS IN THE VIEW THROUGH ESPECIALLY ONCE THE SOUTHERN PORTION DEVELOPS IF IT DOES DEVELOP COMPLETELY. OBVIOUSLY TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF DEL ROCK SOUTH OF SUNSET IT WON'T BE AS VISIBLE. BUT ALONG SUNSET BOULEVARD WE

BELIEVE IT WILL BE A VISIBLE QUARTER. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: MR. COTE .

>>JOHN COTE : QUESTION FOR STAFF. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE DEVELOPER WANTS THIS IS BECAUSE IF YOU MISS THAT TURN THEN YOU HAVE TO DO A BIG LOOP BEFORE YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PROPERT . THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY IS THERE NOT A CURB CUT IN SUNSET BOULEVARD THAT WOULD ALLOW A LEFT-HAND TURN INTO THAT

PROPERTY?>> MY ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE WHEN THE STREET WAS DEVELOPED IT WAS PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS HOTEL WERE EVEN TO THE APPLICATION OF THE HOTEL.

AND AT THAT TIME, IT WAS NOT INDICATED BY ANY TIA THAT A CURB CUT WOULD BE NECESSARY.

IT IS A SLOW TRAFFIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO TYPICALLY THESE CONDITIONS ÃAND WHAT THE VOCAL CONDITIONS, IT WOULD NOT GIVE ITSELF TO PEOPLE MISSING ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS. BUT IT IS PERHAPS SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER.

THERE ARE OTHER INJURIES A COST THE STREET. >> I'M KINDA THINKING ABOUT IF SOMEBODY ENTERS NOT OFF A DEL ROCK BUT OFTEN GEORGE BUSH AND IS COMING DOWN.

>> SAPPHIRE BAY BOULEVARD AND TURN RIGHT ON SUNSET? >>JOHN COTE : YOU CAN HAVE THEM DIRECTIONS TO THE HOTEL FROM QUITE A WAYS AWAY TO MAKE IT MEANT TO NEGOTIATE IT WITHOUT A PROBLEM. INTERESTING. THANK YOU.

>>LISA ESTEVEZ: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE DEVELOPER? MR. ERGEN , DID YOU HAVE ONE? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, MARK. YOU NEED TO UNMUTE.HERE YOU

GO. >>MARK ERGEN : TO FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER COTE OF CUTTING THE CONCRETE ON THE ISLAND ARE. YOU HAVE RETAIL CENTERS IN THEIR.

WHAT PEOPLE OUT OF A SITE AREA WANT TO DRIVE AND THAT, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

AND THEN THEY ARE CREATING A JAM AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE. SO IT ÃTHAT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION DOWN THE ROAD DEPENDING ON WHERE WE GO ON OUR BOAT TONIGHT.

>>LISA ESTEVEZ: AND I AM MISSING ANYBODY? OKAY.

NUMBER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. ANYBODY? AND FOR MR. PATEL, THE DEVELOPER? NO QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SPOKE I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS REVIEWING THIS FOR ME. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY KEY.

ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE PRECONCEPTIONS WITH BAYSIDE AND EVERYTHING AND MOVING A SATURDAY. BUT AS FAR AS THE LAND NEXT DOOR, I THINK THE DEVELOPER WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT PURCHASING THE LAND AS WELL TO DEVELOP THAT AREA IT IF WE DO GOING TO CONTRACT AND PERCOCET, WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT CURB CUT AND DOING THE CIRCULAR DRIVE ON

THAT AS WELL. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. A RIPARIAN THINK WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION.

THERE IN MIND THAT YOU MAY WANT TO. >> WINDOW THE PUBLIC HEARING

COMMIT AWAY? >>LISA ESTEVEZ: I'M SORRY. I NEED TO FOLLOW MY

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DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ONLINE.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS EITHER. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: OKAY.

WELL THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AT THIS TIME I THINK WE ARE READY FOR A

MOTION.R. COTE? >>JOHN COTE : I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SIGNS A AND B AND

DISAPPROVE THE MONUMENT SIGN SEE. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR MR. COTE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE FOR SIGNS A AND B AND DENY SIGN C.

WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: SECOND BY MR. WINTON. AND AT THIS TIME WE WILL, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION OR DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? MR. WINTON?

>>STEPHEN WINTON : OTHER THAN WHAT I HAVE ALREADY SAID, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EASEMENT ISSUE. THE OTHER THING, GPS GUIDES A LOT OF PEOPLE NOWADAYS BUT TECHNOLOGY SO I DON'T THINK THEY ARE MISSING THE TURN WILL BE QUITE AS BIG OF A DEAL IS WHAT IS BEING STATED. PLUS, A FOUR-STORY HOTEL DOES

TOWER OVER THE ONE-STORY RETAIL BUILDING. >>JOHN COTE : I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. WINTON HAD TO SAY AND I THINK AGAIN, INCREASING THE SIGNS ON THE HOTEL SHOULD PROVIDE MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR THEIR SPOT. GPS DEFINITELY THERE.

I THINK STAFF NEEDS TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY GETTING A CURB CUT BY WHOEVER DEVELOPS OR SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO ALLOW TRAFFIC TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN THEIR.

AND THE OTHER THING WE SHOULD MENTION IS THAT EASEMENT IS NOT JUST UTILITY AND DRAIN OF WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY FURTHER UTILITIES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT

NEED TO BE PULLED OUT OF THE AREA. >>MIRANDA MORGAN: MR. SEGARS?

ANYTHING. >> SIMILAR REQUEST BUT THIS IS A BIG PROJECT SO INCREASING THE SIGNAGE IS APPROPRIATE. STANDALONE SIGN, ON THE FENCE WITH IT.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE, I HATE TO JUMP THE GUN AND AGREE TO PUT A STANDALONE SIGN ON THE EASEMENT. BUT IF THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED TO HEAR SOME OF THOSE. BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT TODAY.

RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THE STANDALONE. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: OKAY.

MR. ERGEN? >>MARK ERGEN : I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN SAYING. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT I CAN ADD TO IT

BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SAID ALREADY. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: MS. MORGAN.

>>MIRANDA MORGAN: I AGREE WITH THE INCREASED SIZE ON THE BUILDING FOR A AND B .

I DO DISAGREE BASED ON EASEMENT LOCATION, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THE DEVELOPER REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSION WITH OTHER OPTIONS WERE TO BE ADDED TO ONE OF THE SIGNS THAT MEET THE CURRENT FUNDING REQUIREMENTS AND YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR HIM BUT I DISAGREE WITH THE MONUMENT

TIME. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: AND MR. SWIFT? >> GOING TO BE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE GROUP AND VOTING YES ON A AND B AND NOT SEE.

I WALKED TO THE PROPERTY A COUPLE TIMES AND IT IS A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING THAT IS REALLY TALL. AND THINK IF YOUR EYES ARE OPEN YOU WILL HAVE PROBLEM FINDING IT.HAT MEANS THAT, WE DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND 55 PERCENT OF THE COUNTRY USES GPS OF THE OTHER 45 WILL HAVE TO LOOK. I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE OTHER SIGNS THERE TO GUIDE THE OTHER 20 PERCENT. BUT I CAN PROPOSE HERE BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT ISSUE IN SETTING FOR THE SIGN. BUT IF WE DO THIS ONE TO THIS LOCATION, FEEL WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT TO DO THIS FOR EVERYBODY TO PUT A SIGN OUT. THAT DOESN'T MEET OUR FORM-BASED CODE. AND IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD FOR ME IF I VOTED YES ON THE SIGN C

TO THEN VOTE NO ON SOMEBODY ELSE. I BE VOTING IN FAVOR.>>LISA ESTEVEZ: I AGREE WITH EVERYONE. WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE PACKET, THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF WAS WHAT MR. WINTON ORIGINALLY SHARED AND EVERYBODY MENTIONED JUST LIKE MOST PEOPLE

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I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER. I APPRECIATE HIM COMING AND DOING A NICE BUILDING AND WISH HIM MUCH SUCCESS. I AGREE WITH MS. MORGAN THAT ANOTHER IDEA PROPOSED TO HELP WITH DIRECTIONS. MIGHT BE ANOTHER POSSIBILITY FOR THEM.

SO I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR. ANYBODYELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE

TO SAY ? IF NOT, MR. COTE. >>JOHN COTE : LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS A HILTON PROJECT BECAUSE 99 PERCENT OF ITS BUSINESS THROUGH RESERVATIONS.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING THEM PUT THEIR DIRECTIONS INTO THEIR CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER WHEN THEY COME TO THE HOTEL.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. ONE THING WITH GPS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION SITES BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER IS A BIT OF AN 8609 SUNSET BOULEVARD IT WILL TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY INSIDE A SITE

PAST MULTIFAMILY RIGHT NOW. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: WELL, I THINK WE HAVE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY AND WE ARE READY TO TAKE A BOAT. WE HAVE A MOTION.

THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE SIGNS AND B AND DENY SIGN C. EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE?

SHOW OF HANDS? WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE. >> IN FAVOR?

>>LISA ESTEVEZ: EVERYBODY IS IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AND IT IS UNANIMOUS SO THAT ONE PASSES.

WITH SIGNS A AND B BEING APPROVE AND SIGN C DENIED. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

AND I DO WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING BEFORE WE GO. I MEANT TO MENTION IT EARLIER.

DURING THESE STAY-AT-HOME WERE MEAT FROM HOME TIMES, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR OUR NEW ALTERNATES WHO ARE TRYING TO GET ACCUSTOMED TO HOW THIS ALL WORKS TO UNDERSTAND.

BECAUSE IF WE WERE ALL AT THE CITY AND THE REGULAR MEMBERS WERE ON THE DAIS, NORMALLY THE ALTERNATE NUMBERS UNLESS THEY ARE NEEDED FOR A QUORUM SIT IN THE AUDIENCE AND DON'T REALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETINGS. SO HE WANTED TO SAY WE WANT YOU TO BE AT THE MEETINGS.

WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO BE AT THE MEETINGS. IT IS GREAT TO BE AT THE MEETINGS. WE HAVE A QUORUM WITH REGULAR MEMBERS, THEY WILL VOTE AT THE MEETING AND BE SEEN IN ZOOM. SO IF YOU ARE ATTENDING AS AN ALTERNATE, WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOU LEAVING YOUR RESUME SO THERE'S NOT ANY CONFUSION ABOUT THE VOTING MEMBERS I WAS AN ALTERNATE YOU WILL BE VOTING, WILL BE USED BUT IT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT.

WE WANT YOU TO BE AT THE MEETINGS. IS A LOT FOREVERYBODY .

>> DID YOU SAY THAT DURING ZOOM MEETINGS YOU WANT THEM TO NOT BE ON THE VIDEO?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.THAT IS WHAT SUSAN AND I TALKED ABOUT. WE DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION BY ANYONE WATCHING THE MEETING AS TO WHO IS VOTING.

AND SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? JUST KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS FOR OUR NEW ALTERNATES. YES SIR?

>> I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE VIDEO. WE AS ALTERNATES SHOULD BE WATCHING ANYTHING.

WILL JUST HAVE OUR VIDEO TURNED OFF SO THEY CANNOT SEE US. >>LISA ESTEVEZ: THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY CONFUSION ABOUT WHO IS VOTING. BUT YES, LEE'S STATE WOULD YOU ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND THE

MEETING FOR SURE. ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU.

>>LISA ESTEVEZ: SURE. ALL RIGHT. WILL THANK YOU EVERYONE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.